How would you make the sequel to Metal Gear Rising...

It really depends on what we're talking about as a sequel if we're talking a Metal Gear sequel to MGR then I think it would be interesting to see how the Post-PNC and Post-Nanomachine Warrior world of MG effects people like Otacon and how stealth would have to change to adapt to the ever increasing technological efforts.

If we're talking an MGR sequel to MGR then it'd be neat to see Raiden confront his past by going to somewhere that has an ongoing war conflict and Raiden has to deal with a new generation of child soldiers who were perhaps brainwashed into a world view that Raiden's bloody history was something to aspire towards, like they have him portrayed as a mighty warrior or something in the brainwashing.

Sequel to MGR as another MGR is what I meant.

Then personally I would ditch the Stealth element and go for a more exploration driven game, not Open-World but more node to node environments.

Like I said in my initial post, have the plot revolve around Raiden getting involved in a war conflict involving Child Soldiers who were raised aspiring to a warped version of Raiden forcing him to come to terms with his Jack the Ripper personality (something I think MGR never really clarified enough on) and his childhood which seems to have still been suppressed after the events of MGS2, MGS4 and MGR

While focusing on the child soldiers we might also have to incorporate other story elements as well, as we have already had that much done in the first game, we need some other stuff to spice things up.

Tell you what... What is something you like about stealth in your games?

What if the stealth, gave you moments to explore and experiment in the environment while still keeping the tension of risking getting caught, maybe a hostage or bomb is at stake here or you don't want to be caught by someone unbeatable/hard af.

And as for the um... Boss fights, I want them to feel more iconic then only just a test for your skills....

The memes, jack

Great idea, more focus on them also in-game.

sequel never ever

I liked the stealth but I think it should differentiate itself more from mgs, less stealth, more action. one of the issues with stealth in the first game is that stealth seems to be the optimal way to do things sometimes, the ranking system even seems to reward it better than action in some cases despite being easier than action and having little risk because if you get seen then you just transition to action so there's no reason not to try stealth
stealth should be an option, after all raiden was originally trained that way and he's also a ninja, but I think it needs to change it up a bit if they want to keep it. perhaps it could blur the lines between stealth and action, maybe allowing stealth kills in combat somehow (monsoon's red phosphorus seems like a good way to do this), making stealth require skills similar to combat.
either way action should be the primary focus and you should be able to go through the whole game with pure action and get the highest ranks and not be scolded over the codec, basically the stealth should be treated as an afterthought

old characters shouldn't be brought back
metal gear was supposed to die in mgs4, it was supposed to wrap everything up. kojima didn't even want to work on the series after 2 and even 2 has a lot of meta-commentary about sequels and was also all about passing memes (in the original meaning of the word) on to the next generation because kojima wanted the team to go on working on the series without him. he never expected to follow up 2 so 3 was a prequel to avoid that

bringing back old characters after all of their stories were supposed to be wrapped up would be a big mistake

Jack the Ripper to me was Raiden accepting what he is, a killing machine, and was done trying to lie to himself or convince himself otherwise. he doesn't want it for anyone else but he can't go back to a normal life either

Reminder Sam is still alive

I don't think he fully accepted the Jack the Ripper personality desu, the face he has at the end of MGR shows a disdain imo like he's still disgusted by that side of his self, he also hasn't really controlled the Jack the Ripper personality, it is still a killing machine that is purely destructive, at best he's been able to focus it onto his enemies but that's like directing a rhino which way to charge, not actually controlling its ability to charge and what it charges at.

he ded

I personally do not want to sacrifice stealth or action I want it to define both gracefully and I want the story to build around it and also the music to play off of it desu...

memes truly are the best way to live after you die

>the one that said "yep, Sam is dead, totally dead yup yup" was literally Sam's friend, the robodog
>said robodog also "buried his body", no one else ever seen Sam's body
>Sam "died" by a single stab wound, in a universe where people survive way worse shit

In a potential MGR2, I can't wait to see Raiden getting fucked by someone only for Sam to appear and save his ass.

Samuel Rodrigues
>Chad as fuck
>zero augmentations
>first person to ever cut the Senator
>held his own against a roided up and cyborged-up Raiden

Raiden is a cuck

By making a decent PC port that doesn't randomly decide it's going to start crashing in launch and by not making the map glitch out so the player has to go into the menu and back out until it starts functioning normally

post music you think should be the sound in MGR2

I'd like to see weapon types with proper moveseets like Bayonetta 1 and 2.

>the face he has at the end of MGR shows a disdain

I imagine you're talking about him looking down at armstrong or something but either way it's clearly not

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Flesh out the sub weapons
Give me tonfas and nunchuks
There should be a blade mode equivalent for unarmed/tonfas

What types of guns you wanna see in the MGR2 game fellas?

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>wanting more stealth
Thank Christ you're not the one making decisions

Well you gotta do the stealth right otherwhise it'll suck.... And it'll be forced and boring..

Open world, resource management, and base building. Also PvP Invasions.

The same game, but with SWORD TRICK SWORD TRICK ROYA-SWORD

Or just take the stealth out. No one would play a MGR sequel for the fucking stealth you idiot

What do you call this face then?

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looking down at armstrong
I don't believe it's disdain for that side of him

there's really no need to put more stealth in mgr

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That's why there's gonna be way more action segments in it...

Stealth is the thing Raiden should be doing when you aren't playing as him. Open a mission with him having infiltrated, and now he needs to murder everyone. Just cut to the bit where he gets caught or whatever and the necessary action starts. Don't bother going half-hearted with stealth gameplay that is going to be constantly halted for combat regardless.

The only thing I'd accept stealth for is secrets.

>mgr2
>make it like mgr but without stealth shit
>also add dmc 3 to 5 elements

I would love to see a bridge between the late events of the Metal Gear universe and Zone of the Enders.
I mean, technology is getting there, and Raiden, since he's a cyborg, would likely live long enough to see the events of ZoE1 taking place.
It would even make sense design-wise, since Bladewolf has lots of small elements that you can see in Jehuty's gdneral design.

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>The only thing I'd accept stealth for is secrets
i could get behind this, if it was similar to how nonlethal runs in the solid games would sometimes reward you

>Still mostly linear, but with some minor puzzles to break the levels up a bit
>Much longer levels with a higher difficulty
>More opportunities to stealth kill your way through enemy packs, not slow sneaking mind you, but the ability to prevent further enemies from attacking by killing present enemies quickly and efficiently enough before they sound the alarm, think Shinobi rather than MGS
>More weapons and special moves with a focus on consumables like grenades, you need to zandatsu enemies to replace your stock but you can't recharge your health if you do
>Wall running
>A menu where you can "buy" special attacks with a bar you fill up during combat to unleash super moves like Blade Wolf coming in to do a couple attacks
>Big enemy variety, have to contend with enemies like snipers with railguns or mini Metal Gears that boost around the battlefield shooting at you

>some minor puzzles to break the levels up a bit
come on, user
did you learn nothing from the dmc4 dice game

>post yfw doktor turns of your pain inhibitors

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I agree about bringing more stealth elements. I loved the concept of playing Raiden as a "predator" and mixing action and stealth (as opposed to Snake's more evasion based approach) that Kojima originally had envisioned for Rising, and I think it would help to improve the gameplay and make it more distinct. People seem to forget how shit the combat in MGR really was outside of the boss fights, probably because every sequence that wasn't a boss was forgetable as fuck. Of course, improving on the existing combat would be important as well (make it easier/more worthwile to switch weapons, subweapons, etc).

As for story, I'd like to see a game focusing on Gray Fox, and the events that led him to become the "cyborg ninja" from MGS, though I'd be down for another Raiden game as well.

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do a prequel about grey fox

Why not just leave this fun game as it is and don't potentially mess it up with more sequel/prequel/remake shit as it is "in fashion" nowadays?

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why not make another fun game that improves and expands on what made mgr as enjoyable as it was
why not add real time subweapon switching

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Pain... this is why I fight

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Because, user, I don't trust the current video game industry one bit

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that's fair user, but i wish platinum would make another mgr before they're too far gone

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God dang it that would be sweet!!

this guy is fuckin based, maybe he should be put in charge of MGR2.

I agree about the stealth. The concept of being an extremely efficient silent killing machine was supposed to be on the table from the start. It ended up being pretty rough though. Trying to do a section with stealth was just frustrating because it was janky and felt like an after thought. Now I should clarify that it shouldn't be like MGS stealth, it should be stealth based on the fact that Raiden is a cyborg ninja. Choosing to make Raiden have a card board box and other items from mgs for stealth was stupid in MGR, why the fuck should a cyborg ninja have to use a cardboard box? I know people will say stealth is boring, but either way the game is gonna have sections of lower tier enemies which are brain dead to fight anyways, and it'd be cool to have stealth be a viable option in these sections, and be a fun option at that. And I'm not even saying put more of these sections in the game than there are in MGR, I'm just saying make stealth good.

I love MGR but I'd rather have Vanquish 2

This but with God Hand 2 or Anarchy Reigns 2.

based

On-the-fly weapon switching

Here's what I would like:
>Better stealth sections that make stealth more rewarding than just fighting everyone there.
>More stealth options such as stealth camo that consumes fuel cells when active
>Real-time weapon switching
>Two different weapon types: Primary weapons for normal swords, secondary weapons for the boss weapons.
>Primary weapon have unique attacks and combos instead of just category changes.
>Put in wall running
>Gun weapon that can be used with blade mode for Vanquish-like combat
>Rework parrying and blocking as you get stunned or take more damage if you keep on blocking enemy attacks without successfully parrying or dodging.

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Here listen to these, comfy people.
youtube.com/watch?v=3iz2sfBKVwI

youtube.com/watch?v=_r9N97aAqqg

That's how it was supposed to be, but after the game spent years in development hell they gave it to Platinum and askem them to "salvage" it. Whether Platinum had no idea how to design stealth or they had to rush the game out of the door, the result is the half-baked stealth system we have.

Being able to choose whether to fight enemies head on, sneak up on them, or avoid combat entirely feels very Metal Gear to me. Something that might also be cool would be a boss fight that makes use of these mechanics rather than being just a straight up fight, like The End. Imagine being stalked by the boss through the level, only to turn the tables and start stalking him instead.

I AM A WIND OF DESTRUCTION

Everytime I play MGR, I feel like it isn't as good as anyone says. For reference I love DMC and Bayonetta, but this just does not touch them at all. There's just something about the level and encounter/combat(?) design that feels so fucking janky. Every time there's a change of pace in the gameplay it feels weird and off. And they do codec calls and cutscenes ALL the time. While the writing, music and gameplay all mesh well together, those moments where it truly happens are a few and a far between. Everything between them just kind of sucks. If it wasn't for the boss themes and all the memetic dialogue I'd never recommend this to anyone and would've probably forgotten about it.

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THE ONLY THING I KNOW FOR REAL

I miss him so much, bros

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thatd be badass

noice

I did learn something from how much better the pacing in NG was compared to NG2 (xbox).
I'd rather have little puzzle sequences than long ass cutscenes.

I feel the same, i think its because most of the moves rely on delay based/ mash based button presses, and action games with this kinda movelist isnt as tight and fun to play when compared to the amount of control you get with something like DMC.

What should the metal gear(s) themselves be like in MGR2?

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bump

Why did raiden suit have high heels

Put him in the jungle and then put him in space and then put him underwater and then a cyberpunk city.

because gay

Retcon Null and make it about Gray Fox doing slice and dice assassination missions for BB featuring loli Naomi

Yeah I've heard that either Kojima or Kamiya said "MGR2 would probably be about Frank Jaeger"

>also add dmc 3 to 5 elements
i think it would be better to go the opposite direction, more towards godhand and NMH then DMC. mainly because the aircombos and air enemies in MGR fucking suck, and theres about 50 different ground combos that dont really do anything. theres move to put enemies sideways in the air, but why do i NEED to do that? you dont, and thats the problem. if the game required you to knock an enemy off balance to zandatsu or just simply gaurd break and juggle, it would add more depth.

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>I want to focus on binging stealth back
You're entitled to your opinion but it is shit regardless.

They were sword handles, I imagine his bladed Chun Li kick works better if the blade folds out instead of sliding out

To you.

Maybe they should expand on the sword fighting more in the next game.

>To you
No, he's right. You're an idiot.

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No you.

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post your favorite character.

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youtube.com/watch?v=RGVM-RLcMyU

You just did

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They have to expand on this character more in the next game, I'm serious.

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I would make it sort of like tenchu or give it an arkham level of stealth base in it, with out taking away or forcing it on players but if there's stealth in the game it would change the game play too much.

I wonder how the original rising was suppose to play like before platinum made it tho. I want to at least play one level of that game

Imagine a dlc mini level game that's only 2 hours long

Its the retelling of the shadow mosses incident through the eyes of frank yager. Raiden plays as ninja in a vr/animus system retelling story of the shadow mosses incident

maybe the DLC of Frank Jaeger should be included in MGR2?

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I think it had a great ending, completing Raiden's final character arc. Sam also got expanded on and offers a different playstyle.
I don't see a reason for a sequel, but I'd love ports to PS4 and Switch.
>inb4 PC
Yes, we get it.

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Just mgsv with a proper melee system.

the lock on his blade opened you fucking brainlet monkey
And yes, non-cyborgs like sam tend to die when stabbed through the heart

I would make a prequel where you play as Sam.

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More opportunities to bring the environment down on enemies.

>498167895
>Gun weapon that can be used with blade mode for Vanquish-like combat
Imagine changing from a HF blade to an assault rifle on the fly while making backflips

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Prequel DLC where you play as Jetstream Sam getting revenge, cutting brazilian thugs.

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A snake.

Unironically this except it should be a naga.

Now that is a good idea.

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The music will never be as good as the first games was, they wouldn't be able to get away with metal gear excelsuses theme or the end credits theme today at least.

WE NEED TO GIVE RAIDEN POWERUPS!

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Not a bad idea.

What if the music just gets way better than the first game's?

And the Naga can have swords as well.

armstrong
>basic utilitarianist morality, parroting muh individuality and muh survival of the fittest as his ultimate goal.
>doesn't realize that the greater good is always wrong, and that humans cannot function in a vaccum. His system would literally just end up in the creation of the patriots again.
Raiden
>starts out as a basic aristotelian virtuous ethicsfag, killing is allowed if it's to protect the weak.
>asks Wolf the about the meaning of life, expecting an AI to provide him with a less emotion driven answer. No it wasn't just a taunt.
>realizes this is retarded midway, the murdered are always the weak and he's therefore killing the weak to protect the weak. It doesn't make casual sense and his morality is in disarray
>embraces muh empiricisim, I'm a killer because I was bred this way and there's nothing that can change that
>But the child brains disturb him, if he was really a bred emotionless killer he shouldn't have feeling like that.
>realizes empiricism is also retarded, he himself changed in many ways throughout his life and through the events of the game. Killing Sam cements this, he didn't kill him for revenge, but only to pass his roadblock.
>he gets to armstrong and is fucking destroyed, the beating he gets mirrors the philisophical ass whopping that Armstrong's basic argument does to Raiden's shakey at best system of ethics.
>best reply he can make is lol ur batshit insane
>wolf shows up with sam's sword
>It finally clicks for Raiden. He has been a deontologist all along. Murder disturbs him because there can be no justified murder in an ideal society.
>but he needs to stop Armstrong. "this isn't my sword" means although he embraced the categorical imperative he cannot possibly follow it, looping all the way back to virtue ethics but with an actual foundation this time instead of muh feefees.

Basically, Armstrong is a contradicting utilitarian while Raiden ends as a contradicticing deontologist. Might makes right vs Right needs Might. Kino.

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Its body should be a blade in of itself a sword (like MG Ray's wing blades) and its fangs should be a pair of swords too.

A drawing of this would be based so badly bros, I need my Naga Gear waifu.

Imagine looking so deep into such a simple plot
Imagine being such a faggot high off your own fumes that you feel the need to over-analyze a video game for some (yous)

Make ideas for a really great boss.

VR is the most underused aspect of MG. They constantly talk about VR training being previous missions replayed, the theory that MGS2 is entirely VR, VR everywhere, and it's only used for five minute training segments and a funky platform for bonus missions. I'll be deeply disappointed if MG dies as a franchise before they do something like have a VR mission where you get to re-fight Solidus or Vamp.
That old trailer for MGR with solidus actually made me think he might have some kind of presence in the game, but unfortunately the whole thing wasn't intended like that.

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What if they let you do wholesome moments in between missions for gameplay?

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A former frog soldier that becomes a cyborg and she wear a twisted version of her old armor and her machete would be dual wielding and be HF blades.

Here's my pitch
play as Gray Fox, during the 2003-2005 period shortly before the shadow Moses Incident, but after he receives his exoskeleton and abilities. At this point he is still very much mentally unstable and has no desires other than: lust for bloodshed from his conditioning as a child soldier, desire for answers about his past due to a twisted identity crisis, and a personal quest to face snake in battle. The enemies that he would be facing depend on the context of what's going on at this point in the MGS lore but there is still a lot of room for creative spin-off enemies/bosses like MGR; perhaps they could be prototype Metal Gear REX machines, or failed experiments of the nanomachines and/or gene therapy, creating equally superhuman enemies to rival Gray Fox's abilities, eventually leading up to the final battle with Snake, but the game could end before this point so it goes out on a high note. MGR2 would flesh out Gray Fox's character substantially while giving a new perspective on Snake, Big Boss, the patriots, and Naomi, since he has been a recurring character throughout the timeline and has a somewhat major role despite not always being talked about in detail. Gameplay would be similar to the first one, but with additional mechanics and abilities, with more focus on mobility like wall-running and jumps/flips, and a much more in-depth level design to utilize the environment more in combat. Gray Fox would have his own version of "Ripper Mode" where he goes berserk and lighting shoots out of him, gets stronger the more he takes damage, to get a high-risk/high-reward situation.

BASED

ARMSTRENGTH!

you both making interesting points so I'm giving you both (you)s. Enjoy, friends

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That is so sweet!

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Another good boss is a phantom-like cyborg character who can take someone over.

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RULES OF NATURE

>Maybe send him to space to spice things up.
Ridiculous enough to be cool

It's already a perfect gem of a game. If they upgraded the engine and brought back the early demo physics and made a proper PC port, I'd be ecstatic enough to actually buy a game on PC- Something I haven't done in 5 years.

you want stealth sections in a game where protag melees apartment size robots nigga?

Why yes, I do.

I want it to be more perfect.

Stealth is shit! SHIT!

>Boss weapons either occupy a different button or replace both light and heavy attacks with a full move set, they don't just replace heavy attacks
>Story continues on after MGR to see how the world continues to degenerate thanks to the advent of cyborg and nanomachine technology
>difficulty modes other than very hard and revengeance are more fleshed out
I loved MGR so I'd really just want more of the same with a few improvements.
Perhaps add the ability to play as a few more characters and a longer campaign.

Stealth is a cute, shut up.

All I know is it would have a grapple.

Stealth has no place in a hack n slash Metal Gear.

Also, you didn't mention it but it's a good time to say I fucking hate the idea of a Gray Fox game vs Nano-Zombies, it would fuck up the already botched up lore beyond repair. Raiden is the only suitable candidate for MGR.

Did you say...nerd?

Judging by the sales of the Vanquish remaster being utterly BTFO by Bayo 1 PC port and current gen re-release, I think if Platinum make another game/port it won't be anything Vanquish related.
A shame to be sure.

holy fuck that image is perfection

Fuck stealth.

Anyway I'd want switchable weapons, Jetstream Sam, Jamie Christopherson and maybe wall running. That's it. That's all I need.

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One does wonder what they'll eventually become.

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I've thought of that once, it nearly got me in trouble.

Sequel chances are completely dead right? Why wouldn't Konami just produce and let Platnium use the IP again?

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switching weapons sounds neato.

MGR is elevated by the music and bosses, the combat itself is servicable at best and the camera is shit since its zoomed into raidens ass 24/7

kinda weird how Gray Fox and Raiden both have platinum blonde hair.

>Militaries have begun fusing the minds of soldiers with satellites and stations
>Weaponised, obviously
>The soldiers aren't all loyal to said militaries
>Obligatory zero-g and re-entry battles towards the end

Maybe a former soldier that served with Raiden when he was young could be the new villain.

So, Metal Gear: Sekiro?

nope

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MGR2 should retain the bare minimum of stealth mechanics in the sense that you will often approach enemy encounters with the initiative and it is up to you to pick which chess piece gets removed from the board first and at what position in their patrol routes. That way encounters can be designed around presenting multiple threats that are effective in different parts of the arena and weak against certain weapons or strategies in those arenas, letting each player choose his approach based on his skillset and/or upgraded weapons.

Explain further.

Oh hey another character action game that ends with a 1vs1 battle on the fucking Moon

I would gladly pay for this

>this thread is still going wtf
ngl I actually like that line, it cuts the atmosphere down a peg so things aren't so utterly dreary.

Sekiro did it better

>
youtube.com/watch?v=vHqtJH2f1Yk

How tf do you know? Also stop samefagging and shilling your game so hard.

>direct sequel to MGR, continues Raiden's arc
>more developed weapons, with smooth weapon switching
>dodge move and taunt, borrowed from Sam
>more complex/intricate level design and colorful environments
>Armstrong's nanomachines technology become popular, some basic enemies and bosses use them
>codec team is more important to the story
>by crushing Armstrong's nanomachine heart, Raiden absorbed some of his nanomachines and now hears Armstrong's voice inside his head
>main villain is basically the polar opposite of Armstrong, hardcore collectivist, involved in the plot early on

It's my first post itt you absolute fucking mongloid
Why would I shill a game that already sold millions and came out a year ago
kill yourself right now

There's nothing to explain further I already laid it out. The rest is up to level and encounter designers to figure out how to put it together in a fair and balanced way.

literally a perfect mecha design
except for the COCKpit

IN THE END
I REALIZE

i really liked the way he stayed consistent as a serious A.I.
I particularly like "I understand your attempts at humor, I just don't find them entertaining"
I've always been annoyed by the trope of a robot taking a sarcastic remark seriously

>thread talking about potential sequel ideas
>user jumps in to say "Sekiro did it better"
...Yeah, you don't even play Sekiro. You hadn't the amount of focus needed to even read the thread OP. What an embarrassment. Even for a false-flagging faggot.

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Right...

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More of the same, and add VR Mission challenges things.

this so much, I need it.

there's footage of it and you slice clean through things
it did look really bad though, didn't match up well with the action scenes in 4 and was very slow, borderline tech demo where they just sliced watermelons
the sweepkick to blademode move was also there I think
at least it's where blade mode originated

>you will often approach enemy encounters with the initiative and it is up to you to pick which chess piece gets removed from the board first and at what position in their patrol routes.
This. Parts of this is already in place with the original, it's just a matter of varying the gear/weapons of the enemies and your own that would allow for this work.

I've actually done a whole design doc about it, but I decided to do it with my own original characters simply because it feels more possible than me just pining for the MGR license.

Stealth is actually completely cut out because it was fucking stupid and pointless. It wasn't fun, so why even leave it in there? The fun bits were the combat mechanics, not pressing X behind a gorilla before he saw you. Stealth gameplay is holistic, every factor needs to feed into it and revolve around it or else it feels and essentially is tacked on. MGR was clearly built around combat, as stealth is limited to "don't be in front of enemies" and "maybe hide in a barrel". The rewards for successful stealth are also limited in most case, though they did make an effort to at least acknowledge the player's efforts at times.

>Maybe send him to space to spice things up
Yeah we don't have enough people calling Vanquish a beta-MGR yet.

MGR2 - By the makers of Ninja Gaiden Black

Stealth should be reserved to Blade Wolf

No.

Make Blade Wolf operate akin to Panther form in Bayo and you're onto something user.

How different would Raiden look in MGR2?

He'd have short hair and both eyes to ape the hype of DMC5's Nero redesign.

I was thinking he would be more armored than previously.

>main villain is basically the polar opposite of Armstrong
>Has an nuclear-armed orbital battlestation\city
>Upper Heaven
>He's Solid Snake

maybe he can also have two arms from his back to reflect Solidus Snake's combined with being armored all the way, hiding his hair and face.
That way he can do way more damage and traverse easier.

Make Sam the protagonist

I would have bought Vanquish if they took a chance and made some improvements. I'm definitely not paying more than five bucks for a not-actually-remastered game without any additional modes or challenges that still has no level select, new game+ and that completely fucked upgrade system. Unlike God Hand or other such games Vanquish is flawed enough that I don't blame people for not buying it.

Same goes for Rising really, I'm not buying it again unless they add more VR missions or something at least.

Can someone actually draw this?

How futuristic are his looks and how similar are they to the old look?

Do the stealth in a similar way to Sekiro. Have the enemies be challenging and player be able to reduce their number through stealth first before engaging in combat.

Design wise more like a YoRHa unit.
His body is both cybernetic AND infused with nanomachines (could work similar to T-X from Terminator 3).

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Seki(n)o already exists

what is this meme?

>Sekio
Based retard

Quick question, is asking for recommendations in a particular genre allowed here? Thanks

No, I think I want it more enjoyable than that, friend.

Wouldn't work out.

There can be moments where it splits itself open too and it has weapon come out.

One of the key things in MGR2 should be about a deadly retro virus smuggling.

Just make it a boss rush with no shitty enemies inbetween.

That can be for the VR.

How much in the future is MGR2 set in?

2018
2025

Makes sense I guess.

7 years apart, maybe a lot has changed since then...
What kind of stuff would they be doing?

Maybe the aircraft and land vehicles look way more weird looking and there are soldiers with mutations that give them abilities but the make their appearance look way different and they can also be enhanced with cybernetics.

Not all of the enemies, keep at least most of them plain cybernetic and the rest can have genetic mutations.

What would Sonny look like in MGR2?

Wait... HOLY SHIT SUNNY IS 18 IN MGR2, THAT IS SO UNREAL!

I'm not even kidding.
metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Sunny_Emmerich

Imagine her birthday party at that age.

First DMC5... Now this.
I guess they both have something in common now, other than white haired characters with swords.

Actually Devil May Cry and Metal Gear Solid have more in common than that...

twin sons, both are rivals, their father is a legend who fell in love with a blonde woman named Eva, both have a younger successor that take up the mantle, that successor has friends back at home to aid him and help him with his weapons.

The successor isn't well received at first, but then he grows to become stronger, then people adore him.

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"I wonder if you would have preferred a fantasy setting?"

Patty and Sonny have similar names, both have light hair, they were even rescued when they were young from a shadey group, if you were to make MGR2 set in 2025 she would've been 18 just like Patty.

Both are different games, but they share something in common, they're both loved and cherished, as it should be.

>cyborg ninjas in spehss
>zero-g hack'n slash in corridors of a space station
>fight involving being jettisoned out of said space station to duke it out with a boss
>throwing final boss into the sun

Yeah I'd buy it

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He is my personal favorite.

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b a s e d

saved

The greatest handgun ever made.

How can we make stealth better?

The 40 or so Boss AI chips Snake took from Mammal Pod have disappeared after PW (At least, the pod in TPP was the gutted leftover version), and you run around the submerged MSF Mother Base (and ZEKE burial grounds), DD Mother Base, Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land trying to track them down.
You can bring back a robot Boss that will wipe the floor with Raiden. The cybermommy to rival 2b.

And Solidus Tentacles as sidearm option.

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Rip off Sekiro

Have the final boss be a new metal gear ,based off and at the same size of Snake named Metal Gear Solid

>Solidus tentacles
what a coincidence...

That's perfect, but I want it to be a big weapon though.

>For me personally I want to focus on binging stealth back

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Why not, think of all the shit Raiden can/could possibly do, and he doesn't get a proper stealth mission to explore that even a synch, oh the nerve.

>I want my fast paced crazy action game to slow down to a crawl

sounds pretty fun you're right

Best case scenario, you could beat the game entirely through hack and slash fun or stealth but most games can't balance these two option properly and for MGR it's best to focus on the fun action instead of the slow methodical stealth.

But if it's done right, it'll be beautiful and you would be thanking the fuck out of me for even suggesting it.

it cannot be done right in this kind of game. stealth is by definition, slow and methodical. it doesn't fit at all.

Wasnt his arm augmented though

It can be balanced and you need someone competent enough to do it.

>Environments nice and solid

This, cutting down brick walls feel like chopping down polystyrene blocks.

I just want more absolute tunes and rules of nature needs to come back

Even Raiden needs to follow the rules of nature and be careful.

>you would be thanking the fuck out of me for even suggesting it.
I wouldn't cause no one at Platinum is taking advice from Yea Forums. But I get your point. I don't know if you could properly balance it though.
Stealth usually works for games/characters who are at a disadvantage. Meant to be more of a slow process. Games like Deus Ex that try to balance both options but have to make it more of a moral choice since it'd be easy to go in guns blazing.
Or something like Crisis. There's stealth options but all it makes is a super OP character who never has any challenge.

What would give Raiden a disadvantage?
Name them, all.

I think the Arkham games had some good fast paced stealth with the predator sections, something like that could be done in MGR if they gave Raiden more movement options and gadgets
It should be always be optional though, if you want to take on a small army of cyborgs instead of sneaking by you can

I can name quite a few.

Anything involving hostages, for starters.

Anyone got any more weaknesses that Raiden might have?

But with the Arkham games, Batman is actually rather weak. He goes down in a few punches and within a second against bullets. The game is clearly aimed towards stealth and avoiding damage at all costs, hence the ease to dodge and chain combos.

Toxic fumes, radiation, getting overwhelmed by powerful enemies, having his abilities inhibited by some external/internal source, fear and trauma.

Not to mention getting infected by a retro virus would be a bitch.

Feels like Raiden's story is just over desu
I would just make a game with Sunny as the ninja and Raiden essentially becomes the new timeline's Big Boss.

Triggering a sensor/camera alarm system to lock down a room you're supposed to go into and at the same time send something after him would suck too.

It's only been 7 years, that ain't SHIT.

Already listed several weaknesses for Raiden mate.

But he must also come with new advantages to overcome his new obstacles.

What melee weapons can Raiden use in the stealth and high action parts?

I'm all for playable Sunny but please don't make Raiden the antagonist that would be such a betrayal of his character
I'd like to see Raiden as a mentor figure like Snake was to him in 2

Part of being a game dev is being able to think outside of expectation, outside the box, and wow everybody with new and creative ideas, even if the person thinks they'll fucking hate it upon hearing the idea, even if they think you're insane, but ask yourself, have you even tried?

Sunny could have DLC...

this thread is so based.

That's because them not being in 1 is a damn disgrace.

>them not being in 1
What do you mean?