39 more interesting and cooler characters available

Ryu is not the best starter character in SFV, the best starter character is fucking ED

>his lp punish is so simple a cripple could do it, and also safe on block, unlike Ryu's jab jab shoryuken confirm
>most of his specials are just holding a button for longer
>the only time you will need execution, is for the confirm of his DP

Ryu's neutral is not great, Ryu's fireballs are not great, Ryu's combo damage is not great, Ryu have absolutelly no 'Oonga Boonga" gimmick that always get people unless they know the move, so Ryu players either go hyper aggressive or they are fucking screwed. Ryu players are a sad thing. Whenever I see a Ultra Bronze or a Silver Ryu, I know the fight will be harder than any other character from a player on that level, because Ryu in SFV is just BAD, and the player must be hyper aggressive just to get on that rank. Literally he could be on Gold or ultra Silver if he just picked another character.

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>fair fight
>zones you out with fireballs

the only few honest characters are those like chun-li and juri. no super strength or powers like bison and akuma.

In the fireball spam fight he is also worse than Sakura, Kage, Akuma, and any other character that launches fireballs with more than one hit. If you like zoning though, Sagat and Guile are better alternatives.

Just play Kage guys fun as fuck

ryu is literally perfect
just wish he was good in five

Ease of use. Ryu has no gimmicks, no special modes, no complicated combinations. He is the Coke Classic of fighting game characters in design and function and sometimes the majority enjoys themselves a good ole fashion coke. People who play Ken are the same but they're eating hot tamale candy.

I love Sethanie, bros. i want to kiss her on her soft sweet sumptuous lips!

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Why the hell do Ken players jump so much?

This guy gets it. There has to be at least six more characters that are both easier and teach you more fundamentals than dash, jump and EX fireball at random

>Getting zoned by a SFV character besides maybe Guile

Lmao. You know how easy it is to get in on Ryu in SFV? His still stubby pokes , his low fireball damage and his fireball recovery? One good reaction/read and you even up or do more damage into oki meanwhile no fireball leads to oki
>Chun Li
>Honest
She has better fireball game then Ryu when you break it down and is far dumber.

>ease of use

Ryu is literally one of the hardest players to use because all his normals are such such range. It just leads to having to jump in a lot more and get AA'd.

I guess you could say his range is just one fist short.

That's somewhat misleading. He's easy to use because his gameplan is basic, he's just hard to win with because he's really fucking bad

fag

I have never in my life met an Ed player that doesn't fissure and use a DP on wakeup even in Diamond league and from the looks of streams of Daigo and other higher level player, that seems to be the case all across the board.

If it's hard to win with him then he's not easy to use. Lowkey Menat is the easiest to win with because she's so not played nobody knows how to deal with her.

If it works...

You can get rekt by thinking the player is too dumb, but also by thinking he is too smart.

I've made it a habit to block on their wakeup every single time because the one time they do smash DP, they're getting their shit slapped.

Why is she so perfect

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zoning is a honest thing you retard
it's part of the neutral game, it's like extended normals. Not like Ryu is particularly good at it in SFV

>ease of use
>has three different combo enders, all requiring buffering different motions, depending on whether you want oki or damage
>based around fireballs in a game where everyone can phase through them

>sfv characters
>interesting
exaggerating a bit but it's not really the game's strong suit

Ryu is literally the face of fighting games.

Hard to not think of this creature as a dude when he have the deepest voice in the game.

lol chump play a real man's fighting game like dead on arrival 6

How the fuck is that a japanske man?
Look white af, selfhating ass gooks

>you will never get football sakura
it hurts

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Will Sakura ever breed with Ryu and make a slew of cute shotobabies?

no but you won't have Sakura being a Ryu-taku either. I don't remember her story in SFV but was it something about trying to get over her Ryu crush?

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Hell no. Her story was about her questioning if she should keep being a fighter or not, them Karin seeing she is in conflict, calls Ryu to talk with her, and just by seeing and sparring with him she immediately let go of her doubts. If anything, she is just more into Ryu-san than she already was, as now the game admits it is a romantic interest instead of just admiration of skill.

t. Sakura main since Alpha 2. Ryu should stop being a faggot and just fill her up already.

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Bengus Ryu can get it. I don't blame her

>the most boring and generic one is the one most chosen by players
are you really fucking surprised by this behavior
are you really
come on op
are you really fu
come on op
really
seriously

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I would think Ken is the one most chosen by normies. I have a round one that has a SFV machine and most people either know how to play the game and pick an in meta top tier or Ken because le funny dragon punch

In the next game Ryu will FINALLY have impregnated Sakura, and since now she is a mommy, her new costume will be with long hair.

You saw this here first.

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>even her tongue is a heart shape

She wants it so bad

Statistically speaking these are the top 4 most used characters online.

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I want the next game to be about Sakura and Sean continuing Ryu and Ken's legacy. I want it to be centered around the unreturned 3S cast and the SFV newcomers. Ed will be the leader of whatever dipshit evil corp him and Falke are about

Sakura is actually lightyears stronger than Ryu in this game, while according to the lore she shouldn't even be able to touch him.

It’s a different costume that stays true to the roots while giving a modern take on the character like Guile or Akuma. Also it’s better than Ken’s redesign

A SF game without Bison and Guile would actually be great these two faggots were cancer in any game they were in.

I just got the Champions update after not playing for 2 years. What am I in for it's still installing.

Are you >implying Sakura and Sean are gonna fug?

I want Remy in a game where you can't parry.

enjoy all 48 chun li costumes.

Well they "fixed" the netcode so it does work marginally better assuming you're not on a shit connection, but there's still wifi or region filter so inevitably you'll get paired up with Brazillian Kens on wifi but at least it should be less now since the game can find more matches in your immediate area that are in theory more stable so it shouldn't have to search far away like it used to.

I'm implying Ken wants to be a father for his son and also that Ryu can't fight after a tragic pelvis accident and is now a stay at home dad with Sakura's 14 children

I want you to die while you sleep, 3s cast is trash.

It's a game, what did you expect?

>be brazilian, using cable and with great internet Not a ken player though
>make a battle lounge expecting other brazilians or south americans to come in like argentinians, bolivians, or chile people
>a fucking american gets in it
>the match is obviously trash
>he later complains that "hurr brazilian connections are shit"
MOTHERFUCKER, LOOK INTO A FUCKING MAP. IT IS STILL CALLED "AMERICA", BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS FUCKING CLOSE. GO PLAY WITH MEXICANS.

And it's your connection that is trash. I have better matches with Canada players than with americans. I wish I could just block your fucking country.

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>Brazil
>having good connection
Doubt

Don't talk shit about Makoto

gutter trash spotted

They're really trying with the latest of additions.
Loving Gill and Seth seems interesting, although not my cup of tea.

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In 4 Ryu was good, something like that i guess.

I agree that the later seasons are decidedly more interesting and varied than the early roster.

>giving Seth moves that Dmitri uses
#DarkstalkersAreNotDead Makes me hopeful for whatever capclown is making next.

Even before the netcode fix, my matches against people in South America were flawless. Now, after the netcode fix, matches against Canadians are also flawless. But with americans? It always suck.

If you see a brazilian flag, don't fucking enter on the fucking lounge, you illiterate in geography. Look at a map, if it is not Canada, Mexico, or Alaska, don't expect flawless matches.

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I agree that Ed is easier for beginners but you're pretty much off about everything else.

Ryu's fireball is one of the best in the game, very fast recovery, the light version is very slow (wich is good) and the heavy version is very fast (wich is also good). Ryu's damage is also very high, what he lacks is oki from his most damaging combos (like Ken and Akuma), but since he's more of a zoner that's understandable...His neutral is also good/ok, with st.lk having amazing range for a light button. His cr.mk was buffed in the last patch also. After all the buffs Ryu is NOT a weak character, specially if you have a solid fireball game and can parry, if not, you're better off just picking any other character. If you think fighting Ryu is harder, is just because your neutral game is worse than the adversary's...

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because the people who use shotos are idiots who have to play off MY brain to get a win

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My matches with Americans are nearly all perfect. Canada is so-so, Mexico is trash, Brazil is "time to pull the plug so I don't waste my time" bad

I fucking wish for a new Darkstalkers game. There's just a few problems.
>It would actually need to get done.
>It would actually need to be good.

Both are things that are quite a lot to expect from Capcom when it comes to them making fighting games these days. But a man can hope.

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>Sakura and Karin*

because its sort of kens personality of being a spastic retard

LowTierCuck has the worst fucking takes in the FGC and that's saying a lot.

I highly doubt Karin will ever be coming back in a future game

SF main Ryu
Mk main scorpion/Liu Kang
Tekken main Jin

These guys got given fleshed out history in the franchises, creators don't spend enough effort fleshing out others, lot of others feel like passers by

No one has a flashed out story in SF to be honest, not even Ryu.

Because "interesting and fun" also means "gimmicky and convoluted".

>No one has a flashed out story
:^)

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The only hope is to outsource development, but seeing as how the only competent fighting game director left Capclown - slim chance that would work. Darkstalkers doesn't have enough muh nostalgia for unga Ono to cashgrab for muh nostalgia bucks like his fugly SF2 remake circa 2008.

I love scruffy Ryu.

i was thinking of picking up falke desu

Sakura is in heat. Why won't Ryu breed her already?!

why did Ryu grow a soi beard

Sometimes people just want to play the easiest/simplest character and rely on nothing but fundies. Also Ryu kinda sucks ass in 5.

I'm pretty sure that's hair, user.

hahaha my name is seth

To be honest, any character, aside Ryu, Ken and Chun Li, and maybe Bison, doesn't have its place guaranteed in future games.
Remember that iconic characters like Guille, Honda and Blanka were added as DLC.

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>dp character
>fair fight

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And if Guile was not added the game would be so much more enjoyable

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Guile is balanced now

you should actually just pressure with a light on his wakeup
ex upper is so slow that you can recover and block before it comes out if he tries it or you can confirm/tick/whatever if he does something else

Karin most definitely will. She's a fan favorite, pros played her a lot and she was very important in the lore (if you care about that stuff). Mika, Laura, Ibuki, Kolin, Menat, Falke, Lucia, Poison...who knows about those, but Chun-Li, Sakura and Karin have a very high chance of coming back.

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Don't jump in like a moron 24/7

>loli ojou

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The only good Street fighter char is Dudley
Tekken is Dragunov
Soul caliber is Cervantes
etc

Annoying to play against and not even fun to play expect if you have severe autism.

>Lucia probably wont come back
>No more cups of cawfee
God, I've fallen in love with her accent and gameplay. Gonna be sad to say goodbye to her once Capcom rushes out VI.

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He's an honest character that's easy to pick up

>Why do kids start with training wheels just pedal nigga
Doesn't work that way for everyone

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>jumping
the problem is a free invincible move. Maybe learn to block instead of mashing like a retard 24/7

DP is not invincible since season 2 or something. Only EX DP, wich requires a bar and is HEAVILY PUNISHABLE. Maybe learn safe strings with no gaps and actually STOP your pressure when its over instead of hitting buttons like a retard? otherwise, eat my EX DP, retard.

it's rmika for me

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>DP is not invincible
its invincible at frame 3

he plays worst than dsp. did you see his ds3 playthrough? he summoned his fans to give him best things and kill all the enemies for him because he would die to random hollow

It's a "get off me" button that's there in other to prevent people from mashing to victory the moment they close the gap once in neutral. Even Smash has moves like that

Am I the only one tired of Ryu? I wish he'd take a backseat in Street Fighter for a change. He's so... bland.

In 450 hours of playing I have only encountered 3 Falkes. I don't know if that means she's bad or just no one likes her, but they wiped the floor with me since I had no idea what to expect.

He is so bland nobody cares about him being or not being the "protagonist"

moar like R Milka

She is in the lowest tier along Alex but she is honest and very susceptible against rushdown which is king in sfv. I love playing her aw my second though.

Because fighting game players literally memed and entire generation in to picking "The Ryu" of the game to get started.

Ryu teaches bad habits

Exactly, so it straight up loses to meaties. And still, if we're talking anti-air situations in SFV the one jumping in is heavily favoured. One jump-in combo HURTS and DP AA damage is negligible.

so in other words, its not really invincible. If you land a proper meaty or string, the dp will get counter-hit, its even better for you. You can't press buttons forever risk-free, you dumdum...

Her EX dp is fully invincible so at least she got that going for her. When handling pressure, that is.

> she was very important in the lore (if you care about that stuff
I like Karin fine as a character but I hated how hard the SFV story mode shilled her. I hate that they gave her a bigger claim to taking down Shadaloo than Chun-Li.
I don't want to see her again but they definitely will put her in the next game.

>Mika, Laura
Both extremely popular characters for extremely obvious reasons (and Laura is Ono's waifu on top of that). They are definitely coming back. The SF team seems to know when they have a character built to last (see: Juri)
You can throw Menat under the same banner except it seems they actually want to make her relevant to the story, so she has another reason to come back the next game (frankly I just want Rose back but she's never been that popular and Menat fills the same niche while being more animated and blatantly fanservicey, so I don't have any hopes of seeing Rose again outside of story mode)

>Ibuki
If SF6 actually moves forward the story from SF3 and isn't just a third prequel then she's guaranteed to be there.

>Kolin, Falke
These are the ones I'm dead sure ain't coming back. Neither of these had the impact the devs were probably hoping for and I don't think Kolin's relevance to Gill is enough to warrant her coming back.
And Falke was a failure of a character, and the sooner they stop trying to pretend Neo-Shadaloo is a thing the better.

>Lucia
Don't really care whether or not she comes back. Lucia's allright but I don't see her coming back unless they want more Final Fight stuff in the next game, which is fine by me because the Final Fight characters (bar Abigail) had pretty much the only interesting stories of the cast this time around, and they made for fun additions.

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What are some characters you really like but are dead sure won't be in the next Street Fighter game?

I love Birdie and always have, and while I hated how dirty they did him in V, I'm just happy to have him around for now (cause he sure as shit ain't coming back)

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It is also a bad aa since you can't cross cut it and has very slow startup. So you can bait it with lights meaties or jump and do a crossup. It also misses sometimes when you do her light confirms. It is maybe good when you are in gold.

I just want to see Oro or Rose again. I love me some chicken loops and unblockables.

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EX is fully invicible for frames 1-10
>slow startup
>meaties
I take it you're talking about the normal version on those points?

I think Menat is an upgraded Rose in terms of charism and style, so I'm ok with that.
I'm hoping Laura shows up as a non playable side character to Sean in story mode. Say what you want about shotos, but SFV managed to make EVERY shoto feels unique in playstyle and personality/visuals, I'm sure they can make Sean fun to play at least, better than a gimmicky 50/50 character like Laura.
Kolin, Falke and Ed were embarrassing mistakes.
I want to see Dudley, Hugo, Necro, Twelve and Oro in SF6. Not because I played them in SF3, but because they have cool character designs that can be a solid base for a new take in SF6.

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god Menat is flawless

What a disgusting character Birdie is. At least a 1/3 of the cast can't contest his gorilla buttons in neutral or punish his EX armor (out of range despite being minus ob). He can basically do anything without repercussion, easy mode character against (AT LEAST) 1/3 of the cast.

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If the FGC had their way, Ryu would be the only character.

being silver is believing Ken is unga bunga.
being UGM is knowing Chun Li was the unga bunga all along.

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Give me Sakura, or give me death!

I unironically only bought SFV when Sakura was announced.

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How disappointed were you when you saw the animations? She's fucking ugly in SFV.

Not him but you're nuts. She's cute in V. At least she doesn't look like a boy like she did in 4.

The actual answer is because people are unoriginal. Ryu is popular for the same reason that Kazuya is popular in Tekken, people just pick the main characters they know.

Go fuck yourself and drop dead, my wife is beautiful

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Startup meaning that it is active until frame 12 (I think) you can do a meaty (hit her in her invincibility) and then recover to punish her. The problem as an aa is bigger but her cr.hp works well against most of the cast but certain characters can get around it.

>It's a "get off me" button that's there in other to prevent people from mashing to victory
if you are throwing out a random dp mid string instead of actually blocking and pressuring/punishing when they minus, you are the one who is mashing

The hell are you on about? She looks mega cute especially in that gi, by far the cutest Sakura ever. Her animations suck though.

Yes, and my mashing worked, yours didn't. At least try to understand why you're getting pounded so you can improve...

I don't even play like this, I'm just trying to make you see your mistakes

Yeah, I originally checked the frame data wrong. It does indeed have 12 frames startup and not 8 as I originally thought so you can just sneak in a light and recover if you do it meaty enough.
There was no argument to begin with that she sucks, but the EX dp is a little ray of light in a shithole.

Yeah, Sakura in SFV is the cutest model, but somehow managed to be one of the two characters with bad/bland animations in that game, the other being Cody.

You gotta admit, Kazuya's wavedash is pretty good.

In fact, characters that don't have it feel like lacking something important. Everybody should have wavedash

Cody is fun

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Yeah, meant ugly as in animation-wise. My b for not being clear enough.

>tfw Alex main

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Delete this, you can't post my wife in a moment of shame

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>I think Menat is an upgraded Rose
I don't think she's an "upgrade" over Rose just because she takes her fighting style and does it differently while making people horny (obviously I'm oversimplifying here, Menat is a very well designed character, but we all know the chief reason why she's so popular)
But out of all the "legacy" fighters in V she does the best job of standing out as a new character, and I really would take zero issue with Menat if people didn't shit on Rose to make her look better.
I would be most happy if they brought back Rose with her cooler new design and retooled her gameplay to stand out more, while keeping Menat.

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wtf why does sakura have human sized feet and not enormous fucking horrible furry paws

Do you have plans of playing SF one day or you'll just stick to your Alex mini-game?

I mean I'm Ultra Platinum so I must be doing something right.

It's quite the joke that Ryu is actually a good character to learn the game with when Kazuya is almost the complete opposite.

It is still very big, just not "Street Fighter" big.

But yeah, Sakura and Menat are easily the prettier girls in the game.

It is good against opponents who can't stop doing frametraps, pressing buttons or want to do a mixup and you only have to press a button instead of guessing in which direction to do the dp. Don't get me wrong, I like her a lot but the game awards rushdown gameplay and Falke is the opposite of that. Even playing against simmilar characters such as Dhalsim, Menat or Poison feels bad for her.

He's not the most chosen by competitive players, in fact he's pretty much been dropped by anyone who wanted to play him seriously.

Yeah, sounds about the same as my time with Sagat. SFV really isn't for zoners.

Ultra-plat is not really an achievement, come on son. And there are UGM players with every character, if you're really dedicated to go that far with a meme character...

I never said I was good, just that I'm playing SF.

Seriously, fuck you assholes who've associated having a beard as "unmanly" when it's been historically used to help depict the peak male idealism.

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It is for rushdown zoners (aka Guile)
I think the easier matchup for Falke is against Sagat, not even Gief or Abigail

that's...debatable

Who else plays characters simply because you like their aesthetic/personality and not necessarily their playstyle or tier?

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>mfw when I fight Juri players as Sagat

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Yeah, Guile and Rashid are the exceptions and Gill has some potential, but even with those the other tools are what really make the characters.
I've barely played against Falkes so can't really say. Bopped one with my Gill the other day though.

>wanted to play Balrog for his playstyle
>despise his aesthetic/personality
>give up

They put Rog and Ed as the boxers in SFV instead of Dudley. Why?

For me, it's Urien.

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>>the most boring and generic one
I didn't know that many people played Balrog.

>any buttons in the neutral without a 2 frame is mashing
holy fuck is this really the mindset of a ryu player?

>there are UGM players with every character

I'm too lazy to start up the game and check but I would bet money that's not true

That Wesker alternative costume is pretty tight.

If you know the adversary is prone to turn stealing but you still can't hold yourself, yeah, its your fault and you deserve it.

BAIT THE DP, NIGGA.

looks like a Bollywood action movie villain

you can look here: game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/stats/lprank

>It's a charge character

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY

So many COOL DESIGNS WASTED

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>looks like a Bollywood action movie villain
I fail to see this as a negative.

LowTierGod please go away.

>seething this much because he keeps eating EX DPs
You will never improve if you keep complaining that other people are not playing like you think they should. If you were really that good, when you realized that the oponent EX DP a lot, you would think that this shit is FUCKING GREAT. Just shimmy him, faggot, EX DP or grab, he will just eat a combo.

God damn, I hate you crying babies complaining people are not playing in a way that benefits you. It is a fucking fighting game, we are not there to cooperate with you. Go back to play Overwatch, where people can be banned for not playing like you think they should. Are you pressing buttons while I'm waking up? Then EX DP in your jaw is what you will get.

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>If you know the adversary is prone to turn
how would anyone know the habits of Ryu player #537 they match with online?

>BAIT THE DP, NIGGA.
no shit

when did I say I ate dps? Did I once say I get hit by dps all the time so they're bad?

secondary thread

6- fang
7- blanka
8- kage (even before the buffs)
11- gief
13- vega
20- lucia
21- honda
24- sim
31- necalli
47- sakura
62- nash
63- ed

and those are all Warlords.

65 is a Ryu and he's a few points from Warlord too

>how would anyone know the habits of Ryu player #537 they match with online?
Yeah man, that's why all the pro players drown in pools against these random Ryu players. Right? If it's a best of three set you have time to adapt.

aight far as I can tell every character is up there, you got me

>how would anyone know the habits of Ryu player #537 they match with online?

has he done it the first chance he got? expect it again. Is he low level? expect it from the start. There, solved.

>how would anyone know the habits of Ryu player #537
One round is enough for you to profile the basic habits of a player, like his usual waking up buttons. If you can't do it, it's because you still didn't get that fighting games is more about understanding and profiling your opponent, than random by the numbers methods that if followed will take you do victory. Is poking cr jab the most safe option? Them I will do exactly the opposite of that to most other players.

>when did I say I ate dps?
If you didn't ate DPs, you wouldn't be so mad about them, unless you are heavily autistic. EX DPs are a gift if you didn't ate them.

I don't ate DPs because I expect them from Ryu and Ken players. Because I don't ate them, I FUCKING LOVE WHEN THEY DO IT because it is a free giant combo card while I know he is facepalming himself in the other side.

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>this guy gets it

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how does any of this matter to the central point at all? No shit you adapt mid match when you see your opponent doing scrubby shit

>>when did I say I ate dps?
>If you didn't ate DPs, you wouldn't be so mad about them
so you ignored the whole point and started making up positions and feelings to attack, got it

based yomibro

Because the rest of the characters are either shit, coomerbait, or pandering to trannies.

>YOU CANT READ THESE PLAYERS!
>point out that other people do it just fine
>HOW IS THIS RELEVANT TO THE CENTRAL POINT?!
Really tickles the old raisin, doesn't it?

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I fail to see the problem here. Low level players will do highly unsafe, punishable moves...because they are low level players. Its not a fault in the character design or the option itself (invincible reversal).

Never change, yomilet scrub.

I just assume this is how everyone picks their main
I settled on R Mika in the beta of SFV and haven't dropped her, and picked up Gigas at the launch of Tekken 7 on PC and kept with him as well

>Gigas
I feel sorry for you man. Such a cool design too.
At least there's dat ass

I learned all my fundamentals with Ibuki. She is the best even if she is not the easiest to win with.

I play Alex

>fundamentals
>Ibuki

yeah bro, I'm sure you're winning by whiff punishing, poking and anti-airing with her. Such a clean and honest character for footsies!

>I feel sorry for you man
He may not be the best, but it feels so satisfying to dunk on people simply because they don't know some of his tech due to his low play-rate. He's a lot of fun in my honest opinion, and only rarely do I feel like I lose as a result of his kit instead of my own ability. It probably helps that I'm just a bad player

Unironically yes that's how I win because I can't do her more complicated setups. Even to this day when I pick up another character I do the wrong AA button because Ibuki's is so ingrained in my muscle memory.

It's supposed to be a scruffy karate hobo beard but the modellers are bad at their jobs

The most important thing is that you're having fun learning.
TFW when you still don't know how to counter his Rage Drive because you barely see anyone play Gigas.

>YOU CANT READ THESE PLAYERS
that wasnt the point. The original point was whether or not dps are inherently honest are not. You can brag about all the silver ryus you beat but it's completely unrelated

Who is complaining about yomi?

At my level, Gigas players kinda rely on that
which makes getting read correctly all the more painful

He's hot

but you made no argument as for why DPs are ''''''''dishonest''''''''''''

>honest
Ok, sure, now tell me what is honest in fighting game terms. Like really black and white it for me if that's your actual point that you can just wave off the other stupid shit you spout.

Again, there's no reason to be mad about EX DPs, because they are high risk high reward. If you don't eat EX DPs, they are highly, highly in your favor. You practically got gifted with 30% of the health of your opponent for free.

The only reason to be mad about them, it's because you are greedy and get hit by them a lot. The opponent wake up is not meant to be super safe for you, it's not meant to give you free button mashing card, put this on your head.

I used to like fighting games but I lost hype. Is it worth it to get the hype back?

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After 37 humiliating defeats I won my first ranked match!

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They aren't even high reward so they're even less of a problem in SFV.

How the fuck can I escape from Silver, bros?
I've been stuck in there for more than a week.

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Congratulations, user!

any character without an invincible reversal is inherently more honest than one with one because they have to actually respond to pressure by playing the neutral instead of trying to steal turns or scrub people out

Good job user, go for another win

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Is Chun-Li finally good again?

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There's that too, no EX wake up gives combo opportunity, it just stops the opponent pressure.

Congrats mane, enjoy the taste of victory!

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You just used the word honest again without explaining in any way what that entails within fighting games. Gill has no invincible reversal and he has some of the most grimiest setups in the game.
Again, what the fuck do you mean by honest?

How are Ibuki and Sakura in Season 4?
I kind of want to get CE to come back and play

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AND SO IT BEGINS!

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Can't Akuma EX DP, cancel into VT to a combo if it hits? I don't play Akuma so it might've been nerfed.

he, kage and ken can, the real value is eliminating any stun on you. taking a turn that wasn't yours and establishing your own oki

>Gill has no invincible reversal
are we not counting the parry that is completely strike invincible at frame 2?

Sean should remain in the dustbin of history, where he belongs.

I've been in bronze for 3 years.

That makes no sense. A character like Birdie can mash his EX armored move wich is safe OB against most of the cast. Its basically a safe EX DP when used in this situation. How is that more ''honest''? Besides, all of these are just tools to be used at your own risk. There is a tool that beats every tool out there. Why is DP, of all tools, dishonest? You still didn't answer.

>are we not counting the parry that is completely strike invincible at frame 2?
You said it yourself, it's not fully invincible so it loses to meaties.

>while I hated how dirty they did him in V
>great reach
>great damage
>c.mp is the best anti-air normal in the game
>soda can/banana peel shenanigans
>great hair
what's not to love?

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Sakura won EVO Japan. She is top tier now.

And you have to guess high/low yourself.

So no, he doesn't have a fully invincible wakeup.
Super is the closest he gets, but you can't really count that.

That just means you can rape them without fear of repercussion, while they can't do a shit about it. Oh yeah, they can: V-Reversal me and sacrifice his opportunity to V-Trigger while doing absolutely no damage. EX-DP serves a purpose to show the opponent he must respect you. Even if you don't do it, he will avoid block pressure strings or aggressive okizeme fearing the possibility.

No, but he can activate his VT while you're jumping on him and punish you with his VT-Shoryuken. They use the VT-DP to punish using the invincibility it have (better than regular DP but worse than EX) and cancel it into Super.

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>Ryu is boring
As opposed to fucking whom?

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>I love Birdie and always have, and while I hated how dirty they did him in V
You hated how they turned him into an actual character?

Sakura is really good if you can struggle through the animations.
>MP is +3 on block
>legit tich throw with c.LP
>c.MK is good with great VT cancel routes
>Great oki

>play against Zangief
>the entire fighting is just running away trowing hadoken, hadoken, tengyo hadoken if I feel he will jump, then running backwards and repeating, then jumping over if I reach the corner, and repeat
>every single god damn fight, because if he gets close I'm screwed, and why would I engage in neutral when I don't need to?
>every single one
>there are people who actually main Zangief and have every single fight in his life be this annoying cat and mouse shit

I hope you are not one of those, user

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>Gigas rage drive
you dont want to know how many times ive been FUCKED over by that move

Zeku. He gets a ferret.

That's the whole reason to play Gief

Sakura standing MP is really great for Oki

honest in terms of having to respond to the opponent with fundamentals rather than gimmicks

>safe OB against most of the cast.
>-17
its very far from a dp when it loses to any throw or multihit move. There are even character specific setups you can do to beat out any Birdie wakeup option precisely because it's not in invincible

Makoto better be starting roster for SF6 or I will personally Karakusa the fuck out of Ono

Because Balrog is actually fun unlike Dudley's corny ass

the very fact that you didnt give up shows how much of a chad you are
god bless user!

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ryus fireball and neutral are WAY better than Eds you dont know what you are talking about.

That's what you're willing signing on for when you pick grapplers.

Ryu is a great character precisely for his simplicity. There's so little to do wrong or be off-putting.

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Boy you sure do like your buzzwords.
>honest
>fundamentals
>gimmicks
All of those are generalized terms that have varying meaning from person to person.
And what the fuck kinda fundamentals do you use in situations where you would reversal? Block? Just blocking is the superior "fundamental" move?
Also how does say V-reversal differ from a reversal other than the negligible damage difference? Wouldn't those make pretty much all characters dishonest then?

His st.HP is pathetic and what's the point of F+HP?

Never said ED was better, just that he is one of the easiest to use character in the game, if not THE easier to use. He is the better option for beginners, rather than Ryu.

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Nice. I'm coming home then

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where can i find a man like him

I play Kage, Ibuki and Gil. I copy ltg and make tags for the characters I play to get to high ranks.
>Gillotine

you are literally wrong about everything you said about Ryu and essentially all the negatives you made up about him apply to Ed.

you are silver at best and shouldnt give out advice like that.

Zeku's 2 form gimmick ruins him completely.

retard

I love street fighter, but the creator is a major cu ck. All the asian girls are attracted to white men.
>Sakura thinks Alex is cute
>Chun Li: "tall, blonde with blue eyes.. just my type"
based but... why exactly when he's asian?

fundamentals is fucking buzzword now? What words do you want me to use in order to communicate with you? Do you have a list or something?
Blocking and punishing or pressuring when you have the opportunity is the superior because its a strategy that is completely universal and generally always works compared to mashing out a dp or other invincible option when you think the next move is coming
v reversals are a universal mechanic that doesn't result in any damage and requires you to block and respond with it to the right moves or potentially be punished. It's light years away from a dp and it's insane that I have to explain that

I hope the next street fighter is just a reboot of the series and we get Oro.

>woke up with a 3 frame

No one in this thread is above silver I bet.

I've been in Silver for 3 years

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Here you go again making suppositions about ranks. Why does that matter when I'm talking about which character is better for beginners? I'm gold and I don't use shotos, and I don't use ED either, I'm just stating the god damn facts instead of you meme knowledge "hurrr ryu is the best pick to beginners" even though that is not true since season 2.

ED is unironically and undeniably the best character for a newcomer in fighting games available in SFV. His moves are easy to execute, he teaches the players how to neutral instead of "hadouken hadouken shoryuken", and even a kid can punish 4 frame opening with a special with him by just mashing lp.

Never said he was great, learn to read, what I said is that he is the better pick to newcomers rather than Ryu. ED is easy, ED teaches them how to play right, and how to correctly find openings or force them in other players, instead of getting constantly kicked in the face with fireball punish, or getting combo'd to death after a whiffed shen long.

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Fundamentals is a buzzword in the sense that it can mean a whole slew of things varying from person to person, as I said in my post.
>Blocking and punishing or pressuring when you have the opportunity is the superior
So now were not even talking about "honest" anymore.
And V-reversals cause grey damage when they hit and they're not universal completely. Some characters have close to useless V-reversals.
It's insane that I have to explain these

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Time to understand data.

She's been top tier.

Oro annnnnnnd Remi.

How do I git gud with Karin?

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>So now were not even talking about "honest" anymore
you literally asked me a question and now you're mad because I responeded to it in kind? If I said theyre the more honest option youd get mad about buzzwords
v reversals are a universal mechanic, every requires you to block first and they are all punished in nearly the same way with the same vulnerabilities nearly all are +2 and none gives real damage

by letting her sit on my face.

thoughts on kolin?

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tried her and didnt care for how she plays

>he teaches the players how to neutral instead of "hadouken hadouken shoryuken"
so he doesnt really teach neutral that well as he leaves out an important aspect?
eds get jumped on WAY harder when they wind up their trash fireballs, his DP wont teach new players how to crosscut right, transitioning to another character will be way harder because you got used to retard controls and literally every Ed gambles with dps way harder than any Ryu.
Ed also has significantly worse neutral buttons than Ryu.
Ed players are some of the most fundamentally stunted you can see on CFN all the way from Bronze to Diamond (you dont see Eds above diamond as they get filtered too hard). Its literally all just dash and mash as thats all they can rely on. Fireball is shit, neutral is awkward and you cant even confirm off lows properly because everything falls out of them. You get an easy jab punish but lose out on good and easy safe bufferable lows and its not like learning how to two hit confirm lights is hard in the first place.

If you just want retarded wins with zero effort pick Bison or Alex, nobody at your shitty rank can deal with them, but thats not how you should pick a character.
If people want to play Ed thats fine but Ryu is still way better at teaching most aspects of the game, be it far, mid or close range.

If you'd explain what is honest about them or dishonest about other options I wouldn't get "mad" and point out your bullshit. V-reversals are really not universal across the board. I mean just look at FANG or Vega. They're highly situational.
Functionally V-reversals are just that reversals. Something to get out of pressure from. The same thing that you were whining about that DPs do. They're even similar in the sense that if you fuck up you get punished hard. Both even cost a resource. I don't really see how other is more "honest" than the other.
You seem to be missing the fundamental fact of fighting games being a gambling man's more complicated version of rock/paper/scissors with more intricate mind games. DPs are an integral part of this. I don't see wakeup DPs any different than 50/50s or throwing when the other player blocks.

I love Sethanie, bros!

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Is Ryu white?

Why does ryu look like such a clown these days? Change him back into someone respectable.

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fuckin nostalgia. Yeah this one or alpha's. In fact, Make the next sf game alpha 3.

You mean 4, ding dong?

Alpha games had the best Chun too.

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yes, settle down
My personal favorite was 3rd strike's but alpha was 2nd.

dont forget best cammy

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>If you'd explain what is honest about them or dishonest about other options
I did that and then you got worked up because I wasn't using the right terminology for you. Like I said give me a list of words to use if the ones I used don't work

>V-reversals are really not universal across the board. I mean just look at FANG or Vega. They're highly situational.
Vega is the exception to the rule, in that every other v reversal is a strike or a side switch. Universally every single v reversal can only be activated after blocking, every single one is vulnerable to throws but will beat out strike pressure. Every single one can be baited with lights or other fast recovering moves. It's baffling that you would compare them to dps when they all have strict conditions
>Functionally V-reversals are just that reversals.
They can't be used in neutral and shotos have dps that are not meter gated and can be used to invalidate the neutral
>You seem to be missing the fundamental fact of fighting games being a gambling man's more complicated version of rock/paper/scissors
If you're in silver maybe. Fundamentals of fighting games like spacing, zoning, aggression etc. are all more important than just the guessing game, reads can only get you so far. Otherwise the top 8 of any fighting game event would be a total crap shoot every time

She's so much fun to play, honestly. V-Trigger 1 is extremely fun. Dynamic combo paths and weird-ass fake mixups with the teleport. I haven't really screwed around with the stolen moves all that much - I mostly rock V-Skill 2 - but she may just be the first DLC character since G and Ed that really click with me.
As an ERPing faggot, I appreciate the genderswap, too.

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Become one with your anti air options, expect the DP until shown otherwise then go for your meaties. Then punish punish and punish the unsafe stuff.

does anyone have any tips for falke?

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SFV Ryu can be pretty unga, especially at low levels

>impliying Ryu isn't a bing bing wahoo mascot

After EX vault you can dash up and use the stomp command normal which is a safe meaty on every type of wakeup and leads to big damage on counterhit

I don't know why they changed her outfit to be so different. I know she's not a school girl anymore but the short blue skirt and sporty white shirt are iconic. That weird dress shirt/vest outfit as her default is stupid. Any of these would have been better.

She's mentioned thinking Alex is cute.

>brazillian kens are still endemic
why won't this plague end

look up the4philzz play.
he's a madman.

I'm Ultra Gold woth Ryu (EU so ranked is harder)

Ask me something if you want

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I play him because he's the hottest character. I'm thinking of changing to Guile or as Kage since they seem to be more fun.

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thank you guys

Oroleeeee!!!!

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>I did that and then you got worked up because I wasn't using the right terminology for you
Do you just not understand what you read or are you mischaracterising on purpose? My problem was the terms that you used were vague and I told you that. Now several times.
Yes, the game mechanic that all characters have has something in common on every character. That's kind of obvious isn't it? That doesn't make them completely universal across the board. You even say that yourself.
And no, shotos do NOT have meterless DPs in SFV that invalidate neutral. Fix your meatys or frametraps if they're causing problems.
And what is zoning if not guessing/reading that you can throw that hadouken and your opponent won't jump over it and punish you? What is offense other than taking a risk putting offense with frame traps/throws etc. while guessing/reading what the other player will do when they wake up or something else. I'm not saying it's all just blindly guessing for the win. If you picked that up from what I said I'm surprised.

SFV Ryu is unga at every level. He is a retard gorilla character in denial

Bronze here
How do I deal with people obviously smurfing with characters that they know every BnB/setup with when I'm just trying to learn how to do a DP? Or am I just supposed to shut up and take it?

Ryu is not boring, before Gill he was the only character with a real parry. Not a counter, a parry. Look at how MDZ Jimmy plays Ryu for a glimpse of how he's supposed to be played. Parrying an unblockable is the biggest FUCK YOU in the entire game.

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There's a big difference between "terrible at the game" and "literally brand new," they might not be smurfs. It doesn't take much to learn to learn a simple jump in combo and then spam it against someone who can't DP them, but as soon as they fight someone who can anti air or block and punish they collapse

Basically yeah, they're probably not as good as you think and you're going to get rolled until you get the basics down.

Is it still a parry when it has absolutely none of the qualities a parry needs to be good?

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only when you make it work, yeah

The best part about fighting games are the footsies!

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Some people spend so long in bronze they just end up learning basic shit like BnBs, meaties and tick throws. You'll body newbies with simple shit like that all day long, but if you can't play neutral or learn how to deal with oki you'll be in bronze forever like me.

Smurfs are a huge problem even in Super Gold for me, sometimes like 70% of my matches in a session are against with a couple of hundred games logged.

wtf you can get out of bronze in like 30 min by literally just waiting for the opponent to jump and pressing your anti air button

I think I'll stick with making Gill's parry work. Feels good to parry and crouch fierce someone right in the ass for 300+ damage

I consistently get to 1900ish points only to fall apart when I start getting matched with super silver players. To be honest, I haven't tried too hard, though. I mostly just play the game with friends.

whats wrong with that dog on the log? is he sick?

They aren't smurfing, you are just bad. first step is stop blaming others for your loss.

You dont even need a DP to get out of bronze, if you are playing Ryu just press crouching HP when they jump. dont mash buttons, block, block, BLOCK! if you absolutely HAVE to get someone off you use your V-Reversal.

Why does his donkey kick look so shit in this game?

>that ugly ass derp look when she close the round with aa cr.hp.
god she looked spooky

Honestly I've gotten the same "bro just block and press anti-air button when they jump" advice before and it's a huge meme. Yes I anti-air a lot of bronze players like 7 times in a row sometimes but they still eventually learn to stop jumping and beat me, and a lot of times we trade instead so it's not like I get a huge life lead to play around with. I'm not saying I'm not bad, but you people vastly overstate how easy it is to leave bronze for someone who's just starting to learn. Maybe because you guys have all left bronze so long ago you don't know what it's like now.

Every guide released ever since the gamefaqs days says that you need to ditch your fun pick and choose ryu since he's the le balanced shoto for learning fundamentals guy

Dude i have had the game for like 2 weeks and im in gold, i know fine well you can get out of bronze with just anti airs and very basic fighting game knowledge.

What is your CFN, maybe i can look at your replays and give you some better advice.

what about "fundamentals" is vague in regards to fighting games. Why is "gimmicks" a no no word but "grimy" is fine?
>That doesn't make them completely universal across the board.
they all have nearly the same function, are activated the same way, are vulnerable to the same category of moves, are punished in the same, and leave you at 1 of 2 situations. They are not LITERALLY the same move but they are pretty damn universal
>And no, shotos do NOT have meterless DPs in SFV that invalidate neutral. Fix your meatys or frametraps if they're causing problems.
Do you think the only time anyone ever gets hit by a dp in the neutral is when they make the mistake of having more than a 2 frame gap between moves? Do you not see how having an invincible move puts your opponent and yourself at a different balance of power inherently?
>And what is zoning if not guessing/reading that you can throw that hadouken and your opponent won't jump over it and punish you? What is offense other than taking a risk putting offense with frame traps/throws etc. while guessing/reading what the other player will do when they wake up or something else.
by this logic literally every game/sport/competitive action is a form of reads based guessing
>what is shooting the basketball other than taking a risk with possession and guessing that the opposing team won't react fast enough or jump high enough to block you

shotos are the only good street fighter characters

>smash ultimate
>bearded ryu

We already have Solid Snake. Don't wreck Ryu. Stop wrecking characters modifying the original design.

someone please help I might be dumb how how is it possible to mash out an ex hundred hands after a s.lp

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Ibuki's always been top tier and still is incredibly strong. Dunno how the caltrops are practically but they look really annoying.
Sakura is pretty solid with VT1 and VS2, and buffering sLK into DP is a very strong keep out tool. Probably one of the better shotos though not as good as Akuma.

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>EU so ranked is harder

Why?

>guy never jumps
>rushes in and fucks you up instead

Now what?

legit, I was getting my ass beat by my east coast tourneyfag/diamond bro back around Ed's release, picked him out of curiosity and actually took some sets despite not knowing shit about him.

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interrupt the dash with a jab or other fast move

*ahem* Fuck Shotos. Fuck Grapplers. But most importantly, Fuck Abigail.

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Shoto are not honest at all though. So many of their moves have multiple uses compared to most characters

>guy never jumps
Doesn't sound like bronze

>i have had the game for like 2 weeks and im in gold

Meanwhile I've had the game for 2 years and am at 1400 LP at best

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yeah FUCK Abigail

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I want to believe

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PLaying shoto is for hyperfags and easy mode
Now playing abigail, balrog, and pic related, thats a REAL challenge.

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This character has been missing in action since the SNK crossover.
I WANT MY "NO TIME FOR ROOSAHS"

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Abigail is free wins for days

>Sakura doesn't look, feel or move like Sakura
>She also doesn't wear her bloomers tight and now has granny panties

Being a Sakura fan is suffering

not really, hes a slow unga bunga who's only upside is literal super armor.

>no reversal dp
>3 frame is a pixel long

But his weird hurtboxes will confound lower ranks. I always hate fighting him since I never know how to block or where to hit this dude.

Good. The last thing we need in the current year is more faggotry.

AEGIS REFLECTOR!

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>and have every single fight in his life be this annoying cat and mouse shit
I find this fun as fuck.

Eagle isnt gay though.
And faggot characters like Cammy and poison and any wrestler variant get a pass

you have to learn to dp on reaction to a jump in, that advice sucked even though the basic point is sound. you have to learn to hit confirm to not just throw away games at the last second as well. dont be afraid to just do suboptimal shit like target combo into v trigger at first if it means you can get your super off.

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>Complaining about fireballs in 2020

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>you have to learn to dp on reaction to a jump in

Not him but I just don't have that kind of reaction speed. Main reason why I can't play Menat since her 'dp' is the air grab but it works the same way. I can't do it for shit.

just use her heavy punch/kick or crounching med punch
it hits them straight up

Yeah that's what I do but there's a gap there sometimes people can squeeze through. I like her overall but one bad read on the keep away game destroys her.

This is one my favorite characters they've ever made.

>Super presidential
>Optimistic as fuck
>Geomancer for some reason
>Crazy gold earth tattoos
>Cool hat
>LIGHT IT UP

He's just so fucking cool

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Ryu is popular because of his easy inputs and because his character and attitude represent what street fighter, and arguably fighting games, are all about.

because having strong fundamentals beats every gimmick you can come up with, and there's not a single character in any fighting game that does this better than him

>there's not a single character in any fighting game that does this better than him
besides, you know, guile.

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>because having strong fundamentals beats every gimmick you can come up with
>ONETWOTHREEONETWOTHREE
>SONIC BO-SOMERSAULT
>akuma grunt akuma grunt
>stomping ken noises

will Gouken ever come back, bros?

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blessed pic

Yes, I play the main character.

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Feels good to play him because he is just a man wanting to become the best.

LowTestGroid is funnier

Whos the best character in SFV to learn if i like footsies?

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yea that was hilarious. he was also killed by an invader even though he had a co op partner

>not to mention that constant cock tease about being somehow related to Q
yeah they definitely did an excellent job with him and its really easy to see how much SOUL he emits

chunners if you aren't joking

I would never joke about something like footsies!

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you have no idea what honest means.

Bigger character rosters are pointless and cause more trouble than anything. Prove me wrong.

Can you not

Great voice actor, too. He said that when he first saw G, he thought of Uncle Sam and Abe Lincoln, and used that old-timey, southern dialect to create the voice.

MvC2 is one of the most beloved fighting games of all time because of its big ass roster of characters.

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Whats the problem, user? we are just talking about footsies

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>pointless
nigger what, its literally more characters. its only pointless if everyone plays the same

>MvC2 is one of the most beloved fighting games of all time
Its really not.

It's called neutral. Learn to adapt or play anime fighters.

>chun-li and juri. no super strength or powers like bison and akuma.
LOL, i guess you just ignore their fireballs and Juri's free teleport?

It isn't.

Whatever, liar.

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Can you actually not.

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Don't you like footsies, user? pretty important part of any fighting game.

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THERES NO ESCAPE

Too hard to animate.

why can't I punish anything this cunt throws out you stupid footfag jesus fuck when is it my turn

Mika is better

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>didn't try for a super high pitched obnoxious voice like Lincoln had
fucking hack

>canonically dead
>next game will likely be right after 5 or possibly after 3
I doubt it

Chun doesn't teach you footsies, she wins the neutral because her buttons are just straight up better than nearly everyone else
that doesn't transfer over that well

IT'S SUPER TUESDAY

should have played as G today, fucking wasted opportunity

Who you maining at the moment, bros? I just made it into Bronze and halfway to super bronze with G. Still pretty fresh, but my win ratio is starting to improve due to actually paying attention to what's going on rather than mashing. Thinking of learning Seth because She is sexy and I want to impregnate her tanden engine Anyone got Seth tips?

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How many consecutive loses do you take before quitting from playing ranked in a day? If I get 3 loses in a row, I just quit ranked from that day and go to the other modes.

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You see, I know most people back then didn't really like him because he was boring, but he's the true world warrior, what we should aspire to be. A man who never stops training to be a master.

I played him for my matches today and tried to make a thread about it
it got filled with political shitposting and then mods killed it

>Anyone got Seth tips?
great cr mp and mk buttons, practice your confirms and you'll do great
dont be afraid to play around with both v skills
learn to instant axe kick (qcb then up forward kick)
v skill 1 is a hard knock down into +2 for you if you immediately dash up
heavy cruel disaster is +2 ob, if you mix up which you do in the neutral you can take advantage of unprepared opponents. It also makes you temporarily projectile invincible and clashes 1 hit with projectiles in its hit box

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Stop being so thin skinned. I play on fightcade and sometimes lose like 40 times in a row to some random guy. You get over it, say "ggs", and then reflect on how to improve.

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wish I could be this much of a loser

how is that thin skinned? He just doesn't want to lose points pointlessly if he's not in the right mindset mentally. It's not like he quit the game

I don't recognize democrat caucases as valid, so it's just an ordinary Tuesday for me.

I main Seth for the same reason i used to main G, i just hit Super Silver so im not great at the game but the number 1 thing you need to learn with Seth is instant air axe kicks, other than that proper spacing for spin kicks, heavy spin kick is +2 so it lets you keep going with pressure after.

maybe some day, instead you're just a loser who will never get better.

Cody.

T. Hawk seems like a pretty chill dude

LET'S PARTYYYYYYYYYYY

I want Seth to take all of my.... data

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if you're losing 40 matches in a row you will never get good, if you haven't adapted to his playstyle after 20 matches you are and forever be a shitter

This is entirely false

Cope harder furfag

youtu.be/N4FNybTy-yo

He really should have educated himself more on each loss, when it comes to improving it's not about the amount of time but rather the quality of time.

>b-b-b-but sonicfox
free rent

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>Sethanie
Kill yourself, this sounds so fucking stupid

>She
It. Seth is an it.

you may not like it, but this would be the best sfv season 5 pass.

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Never post again

stay mad.

>asian guy
>has full lumberjack beard
Always hated this design

Why dont you have a set vs sonicfox since hes a shitter who will never be good you should beat him easy.

Japanese men can grow beards dumbass

Jomon dudes have those kind of beards

Sethanie is female, and shes cute.

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Seth is great but "Sethanie" sounds idiotic. Just call it Seth.

>guy
>rose
Yeah fuck no.

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>Maki

Good taste my friend

>Ryu's "this" is not that great
Wasn't he really good at the start though? I remember playing day 1 and his hadoken barely had any lag, you could pretty much launch one and even if you got jumped you could immediately punish no matter what

Only in V?

I think Sakura's animations are fine, you all are crazy, she's hella cute now

I really like the extra animations each character has after some move, like the G little dances or Cody checking his buff arm. Sakura's main problem is her new play style, though

low test detected

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Same user, I managed to get to Super Silver today heh. I was in The Zone.

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