What will Sakurai have to do to get them to move the fuck on? Fast gameplay and airdodging in directions wasn't enough??

When a normal fucking game comes out with a new entry, the players switch to it. Why do you think you should be some exception? Play the newest entry or fuck off. Stop wasting venue spacing and lugging around your ancient hardware.

Momentum is still fucked like it was in 4
Input buffer is bad
Input latency is fucking horrific
The characters are designed in such a way that half the match takes place off screen for most matchups.

>just consume product and get excited for next products

No.

King

But what if the newer entry is bad? I'm not saying this towards Smash, but in general? This is what I get from your post, the newer entry is better simply because it's new.

Ultimate isn't bad though retard.

>Critically acclaimed by all accounts
>LARGEST FIGHTING GAME EVENT IN HISTORY
You're afraid because you can't do well in games where everyone has equal footing instead of manchildren in their late 30's gatekeeping newcomers with decades of experience prior. Fuck you.

because melee's very existence is a threat to nu smashies
nu smash is on a timer. as soon as DLC development and balance updates stop and the game is on skeleton crew mode, ultimate has around a year or so before people start to really lose interest and pick up melee.
nu smashies who say that meleechads need to move on realize that, unless ultimate can wholly subsume melee before this happens, they'll have another smash 4 situation on their hands, where the game receives only obligatory comp support to keep up appearances, or worse brawl, where the comp scene effectively collapses altogether. that's why they're trying their hardest to get melee players to switch to their game, they need them in their scene and for melee's scene to fade into obscurity, before it's too late.

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>Retard can't read

NEW GOOD
OLD BAD
CONSOOM
CONSOOM
CONSOOM
CONSOOM

Are you the same user who posts the sony wojak edited to be melee and the melee soijak holding up money in front of a copy of melee?

If any other fighting game franchise was as incompetent in its understanding of its own mechanics as Smash, we'd see the exact same thing occur. The entire progression of this franchise has been throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, accompanied by half assed attempts to fix issues in the previous entry.
This would still be the precedent if Melee didn't exist, the key difference being that 4 was such a pile of dogshit that Ultimate is a legitimate improvement despite what it took out.

He made the gameplay better than 4, but Melee plays extremely different than the other smash games that came after it, even if you exclude things like wavedashing, the overall feel of it allows for you to do more with your combos and moves when mastered. Ultimate isn't quite the same in that regard, the skill floor is lower, and the ceiling also is as well (while still being pretty high), you just have much less raw things to go for and do in movement and combos. Lots of characters can do more mixing up with recovering in Ultimate than melee, but its mainly because it was intentionally buffed since melee to make sure people get gimped less often. The games are probably better on a more casual viewpoint since it, but competetively nothing really can scratch the itch for them, unless it was directly improved which they would never do, why would they when way less people want to be commited to a videogame like that, especially smash.

>Two different games
>wtf why do people only play one game and not the other waaaaah

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Basically this.And this won't get the you's because its not a retarted post like

>YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO PLAY THE GAME YOU LIKE GIVE NINTENDO MONEY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>noooo i don't wanna play the new game with better gameplay and more characters because of some minor autistic grievances no normal person makes a big deal about it!

here you go, sport

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Imagine your entire existence being nothing but posting bait and then denying that its bait

People will shit on you but you're 100 percent correct. They can play their older game but the complaints they have about the newer ones are very very autistic

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the most obvious samefag i've ever seen in my entire life

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How are "the controlls are laggy" or "the momentum is stiff and undynamic" minor autistic grievances?

The "Melee gods" are either retired or showing up their age. The new kids will never reach the peak moment of Melee the gods did.
Nintendo just needs to keep releasing Smash Bros games that are good enough so people don't want to return to old games instead.

>"b-but Ultimate bad"

Don't be an idiot.

>The new kids will never reach the peak moment of Melee the gods did.
*blocks your path*
this little zoomer is on track to become the best melee player of all time and he just started in like 2017

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because you can make sonic and king k rool fight each other in the new one you fucking retard, just shut the fuck up and consume product, quit thinking with your brain

No

youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPUhEJoHM7KChGPZDfsTy4PISpazl1UYr

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Pretty sure you are given your bizarre filenames.

Can you explain to me why melee feels so stiff and heavy when you play it? It makes the game feel so fucking awful that I just go right back to ultimate within 30 minutes of playing melee

>save as untitled
i hate this motherfucker so god damn much, the biggest hack in the melee video community

>Pretty sure you are given your bizarre filenames.

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Oh shit melee niggers are truly autistic

higher falling speed makes the characters feel like they have weight to them instead of being a floaty mess

wow how will he ever recover from this one? based

Melee is heavier in the sense that lots of the characters literally fall faster. But it's not stiff, because the input lag is much less than its sequels.

why are there so many literal schizophernic melee detractors on Yea Forums? is this a nintendo thing?

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If you look at just the nose and mouth it looks like a skull with a big jaw

more like why are there so many ignorant and retarded melee defenders on Yea Forums that don't even understand how image search actually works. anyone could have saved that pic and posted it again.

But ultimate doesn't feel like a floaty mess you've never played the game
But it does feel stiff, if I accidentally mess up a dash dance my character does this incredibly slow dash turnaround that feels awful as fuck

>don't understand how image search actually works
>implying it isn't looking at the filename itself, which would be different if someone saved the pic here and posted it again
actually retarded

>no it wasn't me posting the same wojak edit with the same filename over and over again, someone was just inspired by my work. melee btfo!

I like both melee and ultimate. I really wish melee had ledge trumping so a few characters with worse recovery had some more varied edge game, and I wish that ultimate had a bit more momentum on jumping out of a dash. Some characters air speeds are just fucking inexcusable in ultimate.

i haven't read any of the posts in this thread but i can guarantee they're all retarded

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How is it autistic to notice that the same retard is in every melee thread around the clock posting those images? He's literally been doing it for almost a year now. I'm surprised people havent noticed it sooner.

i own the game and have many hours in it, compared to melee it is a floaty shit like the other 2 brawlesque games

He can't. They didn't even move on when Project M was a thing

yep you are actually retarded

Who are you even quoting, nigger?

Oh that must be why people are still playing SF2, SF3, SF4. . .

melee didn't move over to project M because it wasn't a real game, just a mod. if brawl was what PM is then melee would have died on the spot when it released. but at the end of the day, it's a mod.

There are definately mechanical things i like in ultimate, but ledge trumping isn't one of them. It makes the act of taking a stock less consistent, which i prefer, even though it really sucks to be on the receiving end of it.

Compared to Melee, Ultimate actually has faster run speeds, faster natural airspeed(outside momentum), equally fast startup on moves(and grounded moves are less laggy), and tons of characters are mostly using aerials with autocancels, making those faster than l-canceled moves. Jumpsquat is faster in Ultimate as well.
Melee has less restrictive ground movement and air momentum give it a sense of speed, but Ultimate is actually a faster game overall purely statwise.

That's just your autism talking and believe me I know what that feels like, I used to be a delusional meleetard that refused to move on

Man I actually like PM more than Melee. People can scream "gimmicks" all they want, but I think the tech skill requirements are far more reasonable.

you didn't even know what made melee characters feel weighty in the first place, i would not be surprised if you were born after the game came out and never had it at all

Nothing. Some people just want to play the game they like. Get over it.

This site is infested with zoomers who started with Brawl. I've been playing Smash since 64 released, Melee will always technically be the best Smash due to jump momentum alone, but Ultimate is the first fun Smash since Melee. I never get tired of playing my Ult main, and I actually appreciate the lack of depth since I'm not trying to go pro.

Yea Forums has fallen so far that it's users can't understand why people would play a game with good gameplay for a long time

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this
as someone who did melee for 7 years on release, its silly so see where the game is now.
>4 remaining players and a bunch of kids who never grew up with it
and then you have melee players begging nintendo to pay them money for playing a dead version of smash

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Where exactly are you getting "melee players are begging Nintendo for money"

Right here: *BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAP*

Melee is a threat to ultimate so it needs to be killed. You finally have the game you've been asking for and you don't play it, so fuck it

>Two games cannot possibly coexist at the same time
Man, I really am too old for this place, I remember when Third strike and Turbo not being at the same tournies was considered odd.

This. The senile old nip helped develop two of the most technically complex fighting game of all time and he couldn't stand it. So he makes Brawl, without the Hal Laboratory team and goes out of his way to game strip away everything those original guys worked on. L-cancelling, wavedashing, all things that the average consumer has probably never heard of, he removed them, just to spite the competitive scene. How can you expect another good Smash game when the main guy is a salty old man who's still mad people are playing his game wrong. Fuck him.

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What did you expect from this fucking godawful userbase of normies that came swarming in after Gamergate and 2016 elections?

And yet he specifically designed difficult high investment characters in Ultimate for people who choose to go down that route, like Sheik or Ice Climbers

In Ultimate's defense, it's still pretty fun... if you're playing the right characters. Wolf and Cloud in particular feel like they'd be right st home in Melee/Project M

Unfortunately, you also have shit like Sonic, ROB, Palutena, Joker with his wacky comeback mechanic etc that just kills it for me. Also all the stages are so fucking big, PS2 (the "neutral" stage) is by far the largest in the game

Step away from the series. They were going to port Melee with netplay to the Wii if he didn't agree to do Brawl. I'm serious.

only tryhard losers like samurai want to use """complex characters""". People want to play a good fighting game with fun complex and rewarding mechanics.

Good luck getting anywhere with ICs with Nana prone to SDing nonstop

pretty sure smash is a party game, so you just might not be in the target audience

There is no such thing as a neutral stage, this is even worse in Melee where Marth wins in FD every time and Jigglypuff wins in Dreamland every time. PS2 favors the most characters in ultimate but it is by no means Neutral

I'd love to play Sheik seriously if a combo I spent an hour and a half labbing didn't have the same affect as nairing someone twice with Palutena

>good fighting game comes out
>a community forms
>fight game gets a sequel
>it's clearly inferior to the last one but still play because it's new
>play for a while and still prefer the old game
>can't go back to old game now because nobody plays it
This is why the FGC is so shit. If we just stuck to the games which were actually good, instead of immediately ditching them for the new installment, game developers wouldn't get away with releasing inferior products.

Melee fox is honest, shulk is gimmickshit and ics is the king of gimmickshit while also being trash

you said that sakurai creates complex characters for people who may want a more competitive experience, but now you say is just a party game, so which one is.

wow 2 characters vs a whole game hmmmmmmmmm

i didnt say anything else, you just replied to a new ip

>melee fox
>honest

Yes. Honest.

>character that can do whatever he wants to your shield for free is honest

fox is extremely honest. dishonest characters would include yoshi, peach, puff

>ME SEE NEW SHINY OLD SHINY BAD NOW
people are say this are literally cavemen

Not necessarily honest but Fox and Falco kept in check by the fact that the entire cast, even the bottom tiers like Bowser and Pichu, can combo and chaingrab them to death if they flub tech skill (easy to do as spacies) or play a bad neutral

>normal
I dont want to be "normal", im here to play videogames i like.
Is like saying you cant keep playing the original tetris because tetris 99 exists. What kind of retarded mindset is that.

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Except Ultimate has “Everyone is Here” so that automatically makes any new Smash game after it worse cause it’ll never happen again.

how will Yea Forums ever recover?

MELEE

WILL

NEVER

DIE

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Anyone notice how the instant ultimate came out meleefags started flinging shit way more? It's almost like they were threatened by it's presence. Honestly I would really hate to be so bitter all the time where you actively wish newer games fail just so your 20 year old game can continue being the top dog.

"Everyone is Here" is a good tag for selling a game, generating hype, and casual play. For competitive, it's a nightmare as you have to learn so many matchups, get accustomed to a lot of gimmicks that Sakurai loves slapping on characters starting with 4, and deal with characters that are not enjoyable to fight whatsoever because their moveset is meant to reflect the character's games rather than translating said characters to the game in a healthy way

>actually naming some players gods
The fuck? Is melee a cult or something?

Cope.

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Why can't you just let Melee players be? I enjoy both Ultimate and Melee in different ways and you'd have to be a sorry ass fuck to not be able to enjoy something because old bad. Dumbass.

>Anyone notice how the instant ultimate came out ex-tr4shfags started flinging shit way more? It's almost like they were threatened by Melee's presence. Honestly I would really hate to be so bitter all the time where you actively wish a 20 year old game would fail just so your new can be top dog.
FTFY

actually melee players are used to be attacked by the FGC, nintendo, sakurai himself and other smash players. You are in a troll bait thread that failed once again to get an actual reaction other than getting called a retard.

20 years and still strong baby.

for a while it was, we dont talk about it.

no. but i did notice how you can't talk about melee on Yea Forums without your thread getting raided by ultichimps. meanwhile there are 100 roster threads in the catalog all with 0 melee shitposting in them.

based? i think so

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Something doesnt just stop being a cult...

>What will Sakurai have to do to get them to move the fuck on?
Make a fun game
>Fast gameplay and airdodging in directions wasn't enough??
Those things only make Ultimate more like Melee in a really shallow, hollow, surface-level, on-paper-only way

Just give me any fucking amount of hitstun so I can have true combos aside from some basic 2-3 hit shit at early percent, jesus fuck.

The skill ceiling of Melee is inhuman, it is simply impossible to reach. This is what has kept it alive for so many years.
The difference between a top-tier player and a good player is 10,000 leagues. You can just look and tell by how much they dominate their opponent.

Contrast this with Ultimate, the difference between a supermajor winner and another player is simple peanuts.

>melee
still kicking
>anything past melee except ultimate because muh newest instalment
dead

why is it that people lose the plot when melee just "exists", it's just a game that people still love because it HAS better gameplay

gameplay > literally fucking anything in the fucking system

look at tf2, everything that was "mean't" to kill it has completely fucking died and only retains shitheads because the gameplay is just too good

Yea Forums is just full of casual GG, election + thread simulator immigrants that shit up threads because that's what they think Yea Forums is, except it isn't, it's about discussing things

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Stinky meleeshitters

>gameplay > literally fucking anything in the fucking system
Funny you mention TF2, where the devs tried their best to appeal to the competitive scene by nerfing every weapon that was fun to use so they were no longer banned in 3rd party tournaments or broken for the official comp matchmaking.
In fact, noone likes compniggers because they play on an insanely small rotation of maps and have a strict "no fun allowed" policy on pubs.

>stop playing the game the way i dont like
Where i heard that before hmmm

Most of the people that hardcore defend melee are either extremely tryhard compfags or people who literally got into the game via the 2013 documentary and only in it for the e celeb culture. Rosterfags may be cancerous but at least they are talking about potential content coming to the game they like playing unlike melee fags regurgitating leffens salty cum

>64
Niche

>Melee
King

>Brawl
Dead

>PM
Niche

>Sm4sh
Dead

>Ultimate
Usurper

>SF2
>unintentional mechanic where you can cancel normals into specials
>SF3
>bug becomes a feature, stays in the franchise, one of the most well regarded fighting games of all time

>Quake
>unintentional mechanic where you launch yourself with explosions from the rocket launcher
>Q3A
>exploit becomes a feature, stays in the franchise, one of the most well regarded arena shooters of all time

Re-read my post, nigger. The issue isn't compniggers playing their own shitty version of TF2. The issue is them being appealed to in a desperate attempt to keep TF2 alive.

Or, and stay with me here, they play and enjoy the game for it's raw gameplay potential

It's pretty autistic to notice shit like that you retarded faggot

>Melee
>fast movement, momentum carries into jumps
>unintentional mechanic where you can cancel dash frames into dash in the opposite direction
>unintentional mechanic where you airdodge into the ground at various angles to move a small distance
>unintentional mechanic where you move backwards a small distance
>unintentional mechanic where you can cancel the recovery of an aerial by landing on a platform and sliding off the edge
>unintentional mechanic where you can cancel jumpsquat frames into standing grab
>intentional mechanic where you halve the landing recovery of an aerial by pressing a shield button when you land
>intentional mechanic where you cancel the vertical momentum of doublejumps that have acceleration by performing an aerial

>Brawl
>entire cast is slow and floaty, momentum no longer carries into jumps, neutral becomes a slog
>nope, tripping + cancel window drastically reduced
>nope, let's completely rework the airdodge so it isn't possible
>nope
>nope
>nope
>nope
>nope

>Smash 4
>neutral is somehow even worse, everyone runs up and shields as their "neutral interaction," absolutely nobody even defends the game in retrospect
>still no on everything

>Smash Ultimate
>neutral improved, but still nowhere near what it was in Melee: slow movement, dashing is a 13 frame commitment unless you are jumping or dash attacking, air movement is still floaty, buffer eliminates all potential cognitive load from buttons, shield aiming does next to nothing, shields die quickly but regenerate quickly, the list goes on
>(((DIRECTIONAL AIRDODGE))) introduced as a soulless bulletpoint for the game; takes an entire second to perform grounded, completely eliminating any hope of it being used for any purpose other than dodging
>still no on everything else

Smash Ultimate is a half-measure that follows two massive middle fingers from Nintendo. I think it's safe to say that Smash is unique in how few shits the developers give about the game's competitive state.

Maybe you should go back to sucking leffen's 2 inch kappa cock, melee nigger

a game where the limits on expression are a function of the player, not restrictions because of the game's systems

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>large post calling btfo'ing you
>"suck cock nigger"
brainlet be seething

cringe
based

sounds like projection to me.
Try playing the game first and then we talk, the days where a pokeball was the most powerful item in the game and you didnt needed it to be a legendary to cause complete and absolute chaos.

Item powercreep unironically makes casual play in more recent smash games worse but no one will mention it because muh roster.
Not to mention the stages are getting worse as well.

Except for the fact that the pokeball was never the most powerful item in the game

I would have fun in melee with items on if the movement didn't feel like complete shit without l canceling and a proper understand of the games mechanics. Plus melee has the worst roster by far every single melee character does an extremely shitty job at representing the series they come from. Squad strike and custom stages in ultimate add 1000 times more casual playability then literally anything melee has
>Item powercreep
Only pure autismos think this is a legitimate complaint, casual is supposed to be stupid not balanced

>airdodging in directions wasn't enough
air dodging isn't the same especially since brawl air dodging is still in. melee air dodge immediately moved you but it made you completely still for a bit in mid after it ended unless you air dodge in to the ground which a wave dash as you know. ultimate's air dodge is the opposite, it stops you first then moves you and at the end of the air dodge you carry your momentum from the dodge. so not only did her fail to bring back melee air dodges(assuming he was trying to bring it back) he left in brawl air dodge making it easier to get out of situations. even if he brought make melee air dodges the jump frames wouldn't allow for smooth wave dashing anyway, early pm version had this problem

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It's not actual comp players' fault that Valve is retarded. For the sake of both competitive players and casual players, all weapons in the game should be balanced and fun to use, without being overly irritating to be on the other side of. The issue is that Valve let retards who can't balance change many weapons. So we don't have actual balance at all.
Valve doesn't listen to actual competitive players. They listen to people who want to draw in potential competitive players, and copy retard companies like Blizzard.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to have fun by playing hard games against other experienced players. There is something wrong with being a retard at Valve.

>>unintentional mechanic where you can cancel dash frames into dash in the opposite direction
But it tells you to do that to shake off the flower from Lip's Stick. The unintended thing is the way people use it.

Sakurai has proven he can't do anything. Now Swedes on the other hand

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good ledge mechanics, a fromsoft rep, and Sneasel

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Holy shit this so much. Brawl onwards added way too many large cumbersome stages with intrusive hazards and broken items that straight up delete stocks with no counterplay. I get that casual is supposed to be casual but jesus christ, shit like the fake smash ball, beetle, scythe, baseball, galaga, sp flag, ramblin evil mushroom, ore club, and gust bellows can fuck right off.

this is how capcom got you guys to play a game you hate and now arcsys is about to do the same thing kinda.

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Casual smash is supposed to be fun. Garbage like final smash meter, assist trophies, and nu-pokeball just feel like they keep you from playing. They're not fun.
>BUT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CHAOTIC
If the game's not fun, why bother?

based

You don't HAVE to play comp you know. I agree though that Valve dropped the ball with their comp update.

Btw if you're a Pyro main pissed off about airblast and Puff n Sting getting nerfed or a Demoknight pissed off that your gimmick class isn't as good as it once was then you can fuck right off

>Complaining about the balance of casual play
Is this some kind of coping mechanism? Is it because melees competitive play is so unbalanced that meleefags have to exclaim that their casual play was the most balanced? The fuck?

no one is forcing you to play comp.

yeah it's always funny to see how fgc gave melee shit for sticking to its old game while now hating SFV but being unable to do anything about it because they're controlled by corporate decisions

How are either of those characters difficult?

Why be hyped at all about Foxmelee when the version that allows the entire cast to be somewhat viable will never be featured even in a side entry?

Nobody said anything about balance, troglodyte. Items in newer games are just designed so poorly they keep players from having fun. Assist trophies and pokeballs are stronger than most items, but they seem to spawn more than most other items. All it takes is for someone to grab one and you have a snowball effect of more assist trophies or pokemon. Also Ultimate is garbage for FFAs because there's so much online screen clutter, you can't see anything half of the time.

>Seething about a 20 year old game
>Accuses others of "coping"

>it's good because it's popular
>hates people that are better at videogames doing better than people that are worse
why even post? you have no idea what you're talking about

Nobody's calling competitive Melee balanced you fucking twat, they're calling it the most fun. Nobody thinks Marvel or 3rd Strike are remotely balanced yet people still have fun playing those games.

I've been playing Smash since 2004, Melee was my first game and I was as casual as casual can get. Melee's casual items and stages are fun in a way that future games just drop the ball on. You go from having novel stages like Poke Floats and Hyrule Temple to garbage like New Pork City, 75m, Mario Bros, and all the stages in Smash 4 where "bosses" pop up and completely interrupt everything going on.

Items in the old Smash games were simple, fan let you constantly keep people trapped in hitstun for a long time as you wailed on them for 1% each hit, bombs were very strong projectiles that could fuck anyone up if they weren't careful, charge scope gave every character a projectile that they could spam like Fox's lasers or charge up like Samus' charge shot, Poke Ball gave you a Pokemon with varying degrees of strength, up to every legendary released at the time (except Mewtwo because he was playable, that was so fucking cool finding out he was in the game as a kid).

Nowadays items are like "LOL HERE'S THIS GIANT FUCKING SWORD THAT KILLS PEOPLE at 30%, HERE'S ITEMS THAT PICKS PEOPLE UP AND KILLS THEM OFF THE TOP AT 0% IF THEY DON'T BREAK THEIR CONTROLLER MASHING, HERE'S ASSIST TROPHIES THAT CLUTTER UP THE SCREEN WITH UNAVOIDABLE BULLSHIT BTW THAT CHARACTER YOU WANTED WILL NEVER GET IN SMASH BECAUSE ITS AN ASSIST TROPHY

this. nothing is ever impressive in brawl/smash 4/ultimate matches. and the games are inconsistent as fuck. didn't mkleo just lose to some 15 year old doing bnb combos as mario?

randomness makes it the most unpredictable and desirable item you can have. If i had to choose another one that would probably be the star rod or screw atack.

Just let disk rot kill it. Meleefags wont be able to cope without it and swear uo and down the emulation isnt the exact same. Watch them off themselves on masse and have a laugh

You mean he hit a homer each time but you weren't paying attention

>meleefags ACTUALLY believe this
Absolutely pathetic. Ultimate is the better game in every way shape and form and doesn't require years of glitch perfection to git gud at.

>disk rot
Not that big of a deal with factory printed discs.
Heck my dad's old CD's still work fine and some are nearly 35 years old.

Probably because they're straight up not true. Try harder

oh whoops I thought the poster said what not why

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>get btfo
>”sc-schizo!”

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I always knew it was the same handful of autists doing this shit. Imagine if there was some faggot that was mad that Paper Mario fans refused to “move on” to Sticker Star and started spamming wojacks all day to correct the injustice.

Over the course of an entire fucking year? It's borderline avatarfagging at that point

OP started it though.

ah yes because posting a seething wojak a hundred times is really btfoing someone. how will melee ever recover from someone posting a seething wojak? you've just canceled melee.

what did he mean by this

Based as fuck. The triumvirate welcomes it’s little bro with welcome arms.

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I love how straw men and projections are the only thing that you retards can do. Casual Melee is still better than nu-Smash.

They have to start taking showers first.

>melee nigger made the same thread yesterday
why the fuck are melee subhumans so autistic?

Please let the thread die, I can't stand these retarded meleefags thinking their opinions hold any sort of water to them

Nice selfie, baldie.

I might just kill myself if somebody likes melee. seriously

You misunderstood my post, I was making fun of the wojack posters for getting caught and then immediately going into denial mode.

And now I realize I accidentally quoted you in my original post. My bad.

All melee niggers deserve beside the rope are wojak tier responses.

>instigate shitbflinging at Melee
>get destroyed
>”please just let the thread die pleeeeaaaaassse”
Fuck off, you reap what you sow. Why don’t you try just playing Melee, you might like it.

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what

Are you having a stroke, ESL?

All I know is that it is pretty fucking funny how melee fanboys have been using the viewership excuse to make fun of Smash 4 and Brawl and then Ultimate comes in and completely obliterates whatever record melee had before. They literally can't stand the success of other games.

Melee makes me fucking cry. i just cant take it anymore im not okay Yea Forums

The last five majors with both games had higher viewership for melee if you actually want to go down that route. at least ultimate is kind of fun to watch, smash four was a freaking snooze fest.

they cant keep playing it I WONT FUCKING LERTTT THENMMM

That autist leffen was SEETHING on stream when he was streaming frostbite. He couldn't stand the fact that an Ultimate only event could reach over 115k on twitch. What a sad bitter faggot.

Ultimate still has late kills, floaty air time, and heavy landing lag. It also lacks especially technical maneuvers like wavedashing. I feel like you could bring more Melee players over to Ultimate with the 50XX ruleset, though.

Frosbite last week was an Ultimate Only Major and beat literally all of those other tournaments in viewership. The only reason Melee gets those views is because Ultimate goes until 3am lol. Now we know when Ultimate grands don't go that late

you can't compare the two. How do you know how many viewers many would have gotten it frostbite if it were there?

>melee is fast!
>literaly always runs over its time slot because it is slow and campy

Not true at all. Ultimate beat Melee at Shine. Coincidentally, Ultimate grands at Shine were notorious for not going that late.

>didn't mkleo just lose to some 15 year old doing bnb combos as mario?
Mkleo literally went on to losers then winners bodying everyone proceeding to win the tournament in the end

ultimate went an hour longer than melee at big house last year

i think leffen actually loves ultimate otherwise why would he stream it all the time and promote tournaments?

The best part is frostbite top 8 wasn't even a very good top 8 and was actually pretty lame at some points, yet it still reached those numbers. I guarantee if the top 8 had samsora void, marss, light the usual suspects the viewership would've skyrocketed.

It would have certainly gotten less since Melee would have forced Ultimate to go until 3am. The Melee summit the week before frostbite barely got to 60k and that was a melee only even. Historically, summit has always been the most viewed Melee event after EVO and Genesis. Frosbite this year literally beat every single non evo melee event ever. That's all there is to that.

Its a timeless classic, but I do agree that Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and even 3DS/Wii U has far surpassed it.

>the exception that proves the rule

>Meleefags say Ultimate is braindead easy
>meanwhile some of the best melee players get absolutely shit on by literal whos in Ultimate

Only the most autistic still watch this, most people have already moved on

vgbc has more than double the followers that bts smash has, their numbers will be better most of the time

>Melee subhuman bitches about wojaks
>proceeds to do the same thing
no wonder everyone hates subhuman melee shitters. hey are smelly hypocritical faggots with small dicks

>
sm4sh was also getting more views than melee when it came out, significantly moreso in fact, whereas melee and ultimate are often neck and neck, or with melee even overtaking it.

>people say Chess is harder than rock paper scissors
>yet I can beat chess grandmasters in RPS 50% of the time
OH NO NO NO CHESSBROS

this is a literal lie. this is just a widespread lie.

I guess Salem isn't one of those literally who's then lol

How will he ever recover?

Who the fuck actually wants L-cancelling?

Not really. Melee was always beating Smash 4. Smash 4 also never reached Ultimate peaks at EVO. Not even close. And I think Frostbite 2018, which was an Smash 4 only event and the biggest one at the time, couldn't even reach 50k

>everyone
Your discord cult isn’t everyone. Why don’t you guys just try the game out?

>he's lying!
>while ultimate is on at 3 am again

proof is in the pudding

almost every tourney ive looked up so far from last year melee was quicker than ultimate: genesis, shine, big house, ceo

this.
never understood why Yea Forums will dickride old games into the next decade because of "muh gameplay," yet a majority of the board refuse to support melee, one of the few older games that still have a strong and fanatic fanbase.

>3 am
this is a yurostink problem, not a tournament problem.

Me, fuck auto-cancelling

Melee was at its peak when smash 4 came out so no, smash 4 never got even close to the same numbers. Maybe at like genesis 3 but other than that nope.

I can't hear you over grand going to 7 mins every game

you got a sauce?

okay but imagine how fast and sick ganon could be in ultimate with L cancelling

i want fast landing aerials

Actually the melee summit peaked 70,000. For reference, smash ultimate summit to in October peaked 50,000 and average 20,000, which is 35 and 50% down from the last one in March respectively.

>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO LET ME BREAK MY GAME TO FIND ENJOYMENT IN IT

that's crazy considering summit was disgracefully awful this year.
slime, if you're reading this, fuck you.

only during top 8s at events with both games and it has been stated already but ultimate does tend to start late, i remember genesis winners semis had a higher peak than grands because the east coast just gave up and went to sleep because it was 2 am on a monday
melee having higher peaks is demonstrably only happening in specific situations like that
on top of that ultimate has higher average viewership, nearly double all throughout pools and early bracket
and thats just on twitch, youtube viewership for ultimate tournaments is regularly doubling or tripling melees count

Or maybe it's just because you can't cope with the fact that when you make fair comparisons between the same event, melee comes out on top consistently. Why are you afraid to compare smash ultimate summit with Melee summit?

Melee is more fun to watch and the personalities are cooler, that doesn't mean the game is better zoom zoom

You auto L-cancel in Ultimate. Manual L-cancelling is fucking annoying to learn and then you just do it on autopilot once you’re good. It’s completely pointless.

Stop lying you fucking retard

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i like playing melee with people around my skill level because the tech skill is fun
i like playing ultimate because more people i know play it and its reasonably fun still
why do ulti and formerly sm4sh players get so mad about a game they dont play?

>be Void
>start off great in ultimate with a glass cannon combo heavy character
>PogChamp.jpg
>sakurai assblasts your main with nerf
>character crisis.jpg
>pick up melee cause why not
>learn a fuck ton about edge guarding, neutral and high execution combos
>sheik gets buffed
>apply melee skills to ultimate
>dominates frostbite with supposed midtier

>Why are you afraid to compare smash ultimate summit with Melee summit?
???????????????/
i'm saying it's a testament to melee's greatness that it can get such views with such a bad event

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data shows the exact opposite overall, youre narrowing it down to those 2 specific events peak viewer counts because thats the only way you could possibly reach that conclusion

You actually don't I cancel from muscle memory unless you want to get exploited for doing that. That's one of the most exploitable weaknesses that any newcomer to the game will have, they think it's supposed to be muscle memory. In actuality, if you whiff an aerial on shield the timing becomes different and on top of that you can adjust the position of the shield and make the timing vary even more. you can make the argument that it's annoying to do or makes the game unnecessarily complicated but it's not something you just do from muscle memory, that's how I know you don't actually understand what you're talking about.

Melee fags are known to lie just for the sake of it. It's something they've been doing for years. It doesn't matter since Ultimate already destroyed any of the records they had for the smash series.

you can't just auto-pilot L-cancels because light/powershielding fucks up the timing. i totally see why it seems tedious at first sure but once you git gud it's not pointless at all

Oh I'm sorry I was 5,000 too high, that's still 15,000 more than what ultimate was bringing.

>no retort to this post

OH NONONONO SMELEEFAGS AHAHAHAHA

they are threatened by it because they know once the casuals become disinterested, melee will still be around and their game will fade to the background

Not really surprising considering Summit is a Melee event. The average Ultimate fan doesn't care for it which is why Frostbite literally doubled those views

13th place isnt dominating, he got a good win on zackray but thats about it. still a shadow of his former self

it won't

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>Fast gameplay and airdodging in directions wasn't enough??

That's not the only thing that separates Melee from the other Smash games.

youtube.com/watch?v=KpM5eDo4SuU

youtube.com/watch?v=5gNRlsZz3oc

youtube.com/watch?v=0Xol_kiC630

youtube.com/watch?v=Q4QXMCgHwG0

youtube.com/watch?v=hSDIZ2PyvMA

youtube.com/watch?v=ajeHlPCl-tA

More like the other way around. Melee fags have been shitting on any smash game that isn't melee for over a decade now. Now they are a getting a taste from their own medicine

There is some image that shows peak viewership from the past four or five recent majors and melee is bigger at all of them but ultimate players always like to bring up Evo 2019 as if having a strong viewership on your games first bout at Evo is impressive seeing how smash 4 did it and then plummeted to being the second least popular event the following year

are you really delusional enough that you're calling a game that has exclusively super smash Brothers ultimate a melee event? That's why it's called ultimate summit.

i don't know anything about which games got the best record but ultimate is competing with a game that has far less characters and on out dated hardware which also sold far less than switch and the game it self so far less than ultimate. really melee should be 64 tier in terms of relevance but the fact is not is pretty good.

>Now
>NOW
People have been shitting on Melee since before Brawl was even out.
Do you not remember the "No Items, Fox Only, Final Destination" memes?

This, ultimate summit was birthed into the souless environment of the new summit house so not many people really care about it anymore. Most meleefags still tune into summit because they have the nostalgia of the first few comfy summits so they excuse the soul-less environment and terrible tournament play.

>most stacked ultimate tournament (ever?)
>13th place with fringe high tier
sheik is literally too honest for ultimate and if there was a consistent and viable glass canon character that handled and played like a typical smash glass canon void could be top 10 free
>no the rats are not typical glass canon characters

>Has no sauce so just posts edited vods like it is a sauce

lmao

Lmao smash 4's peak at EVO wasn't even close to 200k. Ultimate's peak was 280k. Melee's peak at evo was 200k in 2018. Not even fucking close.

i sure am lucky my time is worthless, im done chasing the bait these are the literal vods.

I mean sales shouldn't be factored in considering melee is 20 years old. but it still exists because nintendo refuses to optimize the game on their new hardware and push the limits of what a platform fighter can be

again youre narrowing it down to purely peak counts while ignoring the context of many majors scheduling ultimate to run late into monday night on the east coast which accounts for the largest chunk of smash viewership. average numbers for ultimate are higher throughout every event, and on youtube as well. melee simply has less viewership

>I think having someone else watch hours of footage will prove my point!

You where pulling facts out of your ass, its ok.

who the fuck cares about viewers?

Are you delusional to not realize the fact that Melee has been leeching from Ultimate ever since it released? There's a reason why they are organizing a Melee/Ultimate mixed Summit this fall. The btssmash jews (who only really care about melee) are trying to profit from Ultimate like the jews they are. It's not surprising considering the Switch is an actual success unlike the Wii U. Smash Wii U never brought the kind of viewership Ultimate is bringing.

You missed my point. It had the boon of being new. smash 4 can do that when it was new and nobody cared about that game within a year. Evo 2019 will be that games most popular event until the end of time. I'd be surprised if it pulled half those numbers this year.

You act like "viewership" only counts for twitch. Check the youtube channel uploads. Ultimate anally rapes melee in viewer numbers on youtube

i dont think you fully understand just how good void was before the fall, frostbite is good for him only if you completely ignore everything before last summer

I mean those memes were created by people that still played Melee and didn't care about the competitive scene.

Your post makes no sense because, again, ultimate summit didn't get as many views as melee summit. In this case ultimate would actually be piggybacking off of melee.

if they want to profit from ultimate then why would they organize a mixed summit when ultimate summit performed poorly compared to melee summits and got fewer viewers?

i've said it in countless threads and i'll say it again
>nusmash doesn't have to be melee
>most meleefags didn't want ultimate to be melee 2.0. we just didnt want it to be sm4.5sh
>we want NEW gameplay features. I can do without wavedashing, L-cancelling, dash dancing if there are alternative forms of movement in my platform fighter that push the limits of the engine
>big rosters and stages are cool but if the gameplay is as deep as cookie cutter combos that can't be optimized further then that game can only hold my interest for so long

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Tr4sh was on 3ds too so to say it's an obscure game for being on the Wii u is wrong.

youtube.com/watch?v=aVAZR-PsvQU&list=PLCR3KcbG-XGvYGwG_2qOgshQmSfPFTTKE&index=54
>256,109 views
youtube.com/watch?v=bYqhej7OYqg&list=PLCR3KcbG-XGsutZuv71UULFb3kgtZrb8p&index=70
>85,570 views
Twitch isn't the only thing that matters retard

fags apparently.

The point is that when Smash 4 was new it wasn't even close to what ultimate pulled off in its first year in terms of viewership

summit wouldnt organize a crossover if they didnt think it would benefit them, or do you think theyre a charity? you know those big prize pots come out of viewers pockets right?

That retard had been refuted so many times it's not even funny. Ult is objectively slower than melee. There is no argument.

The meltdown Samsora's bob-omb caused was hilarious

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>who the fuck cares about viewers?
Yeah haha, who cares about the life of your game?

Because Ultimate is performing better than Melee at actual individual majors and whenever it doesn't go that late. the fact that Ultimate is on route to sell over 25million copies and is a massive success doesn't hurt it either

that doesn't answer the question - if BTS only cares about melee and only wants to leech off of ultimate, and if ultimate summit did worse, why would BTS think it was profitable to do a mixed summit, when the melee summits do better?

>Smash is unique in how few shits the developers give about the game's competitive state
And that's a good thing. Devs should be as hostile to comp autists and tryhards as possible.

you think you want it

Youtube views actually matter more and Ultimate is utterly destroying Melee in that regard

Have you shitposters even played both games? This thread is really sad lol

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Nothing. Just keep making new Smash games. Ultimate was finally enough for me to say "yes, this is better than Melee." At this point Melee isn't really getting new players. Over time it will lose players to attrition.

>ultimate has around a year or so before people start to really lose interest and pick up melee.
1/10 bait but made me chuckle

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BTS' individual ultimate summit performed worse than their melee events. they have personal experience running solo ult events that did worse than their melee events. if they only care about melee and profit, why include ultimate at a mixed summit, when ultimate summit was less profitable for them?

>you can't criticize the newest corporate product unless you play it!
based shill

It's a shitflinging thread. Tourney threads are the ones that attract people who actually play the games.

Hey guys look! Melee was at evo last year! youtube.com/watch?v=gbBsIyiAQXI

that's exactly what happened with both of the other games
brawl is released, people find out that its shit, casuals stop playing and the hardcore go back to melee within a year
sm4sh dlc finishes early 2016, by 2017 the game's comp scene is dead and melee's is floruishing
same thing is gonna happen when the rosterfags have nothing to scream at anymore

Also compare the viewership for Genesis finals this year.
Marss vs Leo
youtube.com/watch?v=DkZt_ajvFeM
434,767 views

Zain vs Hungrybox
youtube.com/watch?v=_OVP0Z9xF7M
127,632 views

It's not even fucking close. Ultimate destroys Melee in viewership

Own all the smash games since Melee. Having a blast playing both Melee and Ultimate with my brother and relatives

>Lost at goml, desu, ltc, pound, g7
>Viewership is much lower than at the same events last year while melees remains consistent
Kek ultimate is already losing its luster of being shiny new thing, its popularity has warmed significantly. Now all you can do is cope about time slots because of just g7 but ok

frodan on comms? based

It doesn't matter when Ultimate viewership in youtube is destroying any viewership Melee is getting on Twitch. Do you think Btssmash gives a shit about twitch views? they care more about their youtube channel which is actually monetized. The Plup vs Hbox final this summit only has 17k views in their youtube channel lmao

ultimate being there brings in crowds that arent there for melee. summit arent stupid, they know this and want that viewership. slime has been asked about ultimate summits and he says theyre a success. if peak viewer count was all that mattered and slime only cared about melee then hed only have an ultimate or crossover summit if it benefitted him. i dont know if slime thinks that way but you cant fault someone for assuming hes looking at it through the eyes of a businessman. he sees ultimates viewership is bringing in faces that melee doesnt and wants to have those as well. simple as, thats why any crossover ever happens. as to whether he will succeed nobody really knows, ultimate demonstrably has higher viewership than melee across the board but thats not translating entirely to summit despite slimes satisfaction, if i ran a media event then a crossover would be my solution as well
also i think you think im that other guy that was replying to you, this is only my second reply

Actually it isn't but you can still cry about it like the bitter faggot you are. Frosbite this year got more views than any other Smash Major that isn't evo, ever. Let's make big moves also got more views compared to last year despite the fact that the first event happened a few weeks after ultimate released. Ultimate finals at Genesis this year also got more views compared to last year so you are wrong again. Ultimate is actually getting more viewership this year compared to last.

looool this guy is too jelly.

Reintroducing Trophies
Having an adventure mode that's fun
Reintroducing Stadium
Stop Recycling the same models they have been dragging since brawl
Stop making every new stage a flat platform where shit float around

They made a timeless classic. It has yet to be topped. Why the fuck does anyone need to move on you piss soaked golden shower lover.

this.
good posts like this need more (You)s

NOOOOOOOOOOO BUT MY MELEE NIGGAS TOLD ME ULTIMATE WOULD BE FORGOTTEN

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you do realize the skill base for melee is just as low as ultimate. saying you don't like a higher skill ceiling screams casual

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when is the next melee major
also what is this smash tour shit i just saw mango was streaming and talking about it with leff and zain but i didn't click it

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the people super invested into esports stuff tend to focus on live viewership for whatever reason, kinda meaningless in this day and age where every set is uploaded within half an hour and people are entirely willing to just catch the vods the next day or hell even a week later
peak live viewership was 280 at evo right? theres plenty of vods with around that amount of views on youtube as opposed to it being the single crown jewel on live platforms

Brawl and 4 had decent fun modes but Ultimate has poor of them

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Next major is CEO Dreamland, March 13-15.

>The Plup vs Hbox final this summit only has 17k views in their youtube channel lmao
That's pathetic. meanwhile the anticlimactic snoozefest that was toast vs wrath already has more views kek

Yes! The reason is always Melee and never for me to line my pockets!
Great post, user!

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Meleefags BTFO

They don't want to move on because at this point the fanbase consists strictly of nostalgiafags who refuse to grow up, and the playerbase are people that know their "careers" depend on the game staying relevant. No different than some factory worker sabotaging a robot to keep his job.

You guys realize a view on twitch is worth a lot more than a view on YouTube right? People watching twitch stay and watch for more time on average, especially for events like tournaments. At summit they showed 5+ ads during every break on stream, ad breaks happened every 1 to 2 sets, and the stream is live for the whole day over a 3 day period. An 8 hour live stream averaging 20k-30k viewers (peaking 60k) is much more valuable than a collection of 25 minute YouTube videos with 250k views max. The whole point of the videos on YouTube is to get people to watch the event live so kids can be advertised to more effectively.

>this point the fanbase consists strictly of nostalgiafags who refuse to grow up, and the playerbase are people that know their "careers" depend on the game

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Brawl is superior to Melee to anyone that isn't a subhuman Melee nigger. Brawl was actually fun to play with friends

The EVO argument is retarded because most of the niggers posting about it completely ignore yearly growth and the time slots

>living in EU
>Ultimate top 8 runs after Melee top 8
>want to watch both
>can only watch Melee and a few Ultimate matches before it's 5 in the morning
For once I'd like to watch both Melee and Ultimate GF live instead of having to go on Youtube or watch the vod for Ultimate top 8

street fighter pros did it first actually

ultimate was the first smash game I played comp and recently some boomer convinced me to play melee at my local. I think i'm gonna switch over to melee, gameplay is better and feels more hardcore on a comp level

Holy fuck based gamefaqs making meleegroes SEETHE

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ULTIBROS WE LOST ANOTHER ONE
HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK MELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SAKURAIIIIIIIIIIIIII I'M SORRY

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NEVER FORGET
youtu.be/h7O4zOXALIY

Smash community finally established a huge circuit for Melee and Ult like SFV's Capcom Cup, Tekken and DBFZ's World Tours etc. Entirely grassroots as well, no help from Nintendon't

>”Melee is getting more views than Ultimate”
>point out it’s actually the opposite
>”V-views don’t matter!”
Meleefags

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in terms of making money youre right, livestream viewership is more important. in terms of actually stirring up interest in content? livestreams mean nothing because the people watching are already interested enough to find the stream. if a potential smash player doesnt know vgbootcamp exists theyre not going to find them on twitch, theyre going to find them in their youtube reccomendations. and many people just dont have the tim to watch live, so they watch the vods. live viewership is just ad revenue, not real outreach

idgaf about views but since we're on the subject

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doesn't matter which one is more valuable when ultimate is beating melee in both platforms. if anything the huge disparity in youtube viewership means that both vgbc and btssmash make far more money by advertising ultimate compared to melee

Even if it's just a shitty flash game, SSF2 feels like that. It doesn't have Melee's tech, but it has things like hitstun, ground-to-air momentum, and air-dodges that aren't just free. It's actually fun.

All fucking smash elitists should fucking hang

Or MAYBE take a shower

I remember this. The Melee community on gamefaqs were utterly buttblasted by this result

Now make that same.graph but with the YouTube numbers

NO DELETE THIS FUCK

I can play kof 98 and 2k2 with no remorse so meleefags can play their game too. OP is likely a fag who plays neither game and just rosterfags all day long every day after he gets out of adult daycare

but we already established streaming is more important for muh $$$

>MOVE ON! JUST IGNORE ALL THE MECHANICS AND CONTROL OPTIONS YOU LEAVE BEHIND! CONSUME NEW GAME BECAUSE ITS NEW!

If you truly have this mentality, then you understand nothing about what make Melee so great that people stay behind on a 20 year old game. Do you actually want me to explain it to you? I will if you truthfully want, no bait.

but he already got proven wrong by

Friendly reminder that these threads are created by an Ultimate Discord to falseflag Melee players into looking bad.

>both platforms
please refer back to

I don't doubt you, but I want to see proof.

i thought that was obvious

>majority of the board
It’s just a few dedicated autists

Convincing them to shower

twitter.com/DIOMeleeGuy/status/1230924194822709248

this.

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They're assmad that people are better than them at smash. Literally autists who cant understand the concept that theres more to the game than muh roster and flinging items all day. It stems all the way back to the Brawl days when Melee players used to give a fuck about going at it with these autists and arguing about it. Melee players know their games better and that sakurai and Nintendo will never let another game better or as good as melee happen.

in the eyes of a casual roster and new stages are all that determines the quality of the game, and anyone that disagrees or gets better than them hurts their little autistic feelings, and makes them lash out by creating wojaks and shit.

not sure about that, ive seen threads like this since 2013

A better question is why do you care so much? If they enjoy the game, then who are you to say they shouldn't play it? People still play older SF and KOF games.

Why can't nu-smashers grasp this simple concept? More content does not make a game better.

No shit
it's so easy and Yea Forums is fucking retarded I'm surprised there isn't more people doing it

>falseflag Melee players into looking bad.
No need to falseflag, Melee players already do that on their own

No one wants to hear your heavily opinionated speech. Every single aspect that you faggots claim is so much better in melee doesnt really matter to the majority of the smash fanbase

...

>he is not aware that the current absolute state of this board is due the constant election and discord raids

please refer back to the countless of other tournaments in which Ultimate didn't run until 2am (such as smash factor, smashcon, mainstage, shine and smash & splash among others) and actually destroyed Melee

Who fucking cares? I'll never understand why people get so mad that people play old video games. I don't even like Melee that much but who gives a shit?

Frostbite smelled bad enough for it to be the main trending thing about the tournament on Twitter. And meleefags weren't even there.

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Ok then, go back to shitposting discord tranny. I'll go back to my deeper game with a much higher skill ceiling.

We are talking about the same community that threw a dead animal at one of their top players for winning a tournament and actively booed other games at Evo. The community doesn't need falseflaggers to show how retarded they are.

the real question is what will the melee community have to do for talented ultimate smashers like leo to convert to a good game?

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I've seen threads like this since before Ultimate was a thing you dumb faggot. It's Falseflagging melee shitters butthurt about another Smash game taking the spotlight

back to your shitty discord melee nigger

ultimate has higher average twitch viewership, that image is cherrypicking a couple specific timeframes no wider than a few hours at a time throughout the year. theres like a million sites that monitor twitch views and youre going with the baitpost on Yea Forums?

actually its ult false flaggers pretending to be melee false flaggers trying to make it look like melee players are trying to make ultimate players trying to make melee players...

oh wait both sides just look like dickheads

Leo doesn't give a shit about Melee and actually loves Ultimate. Pretty based

lets see the twitch stat sauces

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He said he used to play shiek on his stream the other day and that he got close to winning tournaments in Mexico when he did play melee. Would be pretty funny to see if he could beat some of the jobbers in the melee top 50

twitchtracker.com/games/16282
twitchtracker.com/games/504461

It's an autistic melee faggot. He's been using the same image for months now.

>watch an ultimate tournament
>realize the reason it's so smelly
>it's filled with brown "people"

for all the whining that ultimate players do about melee not supporting ultimate, at least the melee pros gave ultimate a shot. a lot of them streamed it and entered tournaments for its first year. meanwhile there is 0 reciprocation from the other side. the only exception is void who just does it for memes.

>a game that is only a year old already beat melee's total viewership
Holy based. Ultichads keep winning

Smash 4 fags booed smash 4 off the stage because those fags get triggered by top tiers. Look at Evo 2018, bunch of babies

ahh so you're saying all the small pro streams add up more than the tournament views. this is true but is it valid to compare individual streams like nairo's that happen everyday to melee streams that happen once every other week?

The only reason meleefags gave ultimate a chance was to boost their viewership and attempt to convert new people into melee. The reason Ultimate players don't delve into melee is because they know it would hurt their viewership numbers.

I unironically think melee made void better at ultimate since the game has stronger edge guarding but I totally see your point. leffen, plup, mango, armada all said they'd take ultimate more seriously if the online worked as well as melee netplay.

less people stream melee because less people are interested. its not unfair to compare ultimate to league of legends, its not unfair to compare melee to ultimate

Reminder that there have been Melee players who have tried plenty of other games including
>Every Other Smash
>Rivals of Aether
>Slap City
>Project M
Brawl babies are sheep that mainly just stick to the newest and latest Smash title and see nothing in the genre.

Holy based. Melee fags BTFO

A new challenger approaches

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Bowser is pretty fun in that game

>Play game for few weeks
>Drop it while the game is still at it's most profitable state
>T-theyre just doing it for money
Cope

so then why do more people come to watch the big tournaments if >less people are interested.
it's a fact that ultimate gets way more numbers daily but when it comes the big events this claim just does't add up for me.

Um Meleefags explain?

Hopefully this makes those cherrypicking melee faggots kill themselves

Meleeshitters on suicide watch

A lot of Brawl players did try project M and as for rivals of aether we'll see once it comes to Switch.

The fuck are you on faggot? they didn't support the game. They supported themselves and profited because Ultimate was literally a huge cashcow when it first released. in the end that furry faggot salem was right and all the melee pros abandoned the game after a few months.

more people do watch ultimate tournaments on average, the only way you get the idea melee has more viewers is when you single out top 8s, ignore the rest of the tournament, and use the specific events where ultimate ran late into monday night for east coast usa

Based, maybe those smellys can take a shower now

when ultimate zoomers get home from school they hop on twitch to spam shite memes.
when melee chads get home from fucking your wife they grind falco combos.
simple as.

Slap and Rivals players had more crossover with fucking brawlhalla than melee

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT PLAY OLD GAME!!!! MOVE ON!!!! MOVE ON!!!!!!

is it because melee top 8 is made up of melee+ultimate fans but ult top 8 is just made up for ultimate fans (whom are objectively younger and have to go to bed)

melee community literally dying

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95% of melee viewership comes from big tournaments which happen once every month and a half. The other 4.9% of viewers are just people watching mang0 who averages like 1.5k. Ultimate is a much easier game to stream and has more content.

Is the reason Melee never dies because it's like a cockroach in that it's impossible to kill?

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That's literally what they did. Only Plup and M2k play Ultimate regularly these days. That faggot leffen only streams ultimate whenever a tournament is on just for the views

thats most likely part of it yea

leffen did ultimate for a solid year, he even won some European tournament that no one cared about

nah just leffen being a whiny bitch

One of the next big ultimate tournaments is in Japan soon. And Leo is going last time I heard

>cause melee is sick

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When Melee fags get home from these events the first thing they don't do is take a shower.

>Doesn't know leffen is a top 50 pgr player for ultimate
You don't know what you're even talking about

I like watching Leffen play melee but watching him seethe is the best thing that comes out of smash tourneys. I hope he actually competes in DBFZ again as well

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Hbox does as well but he obviously takes Melee way more seriously

pgr had him at 51 with a few other guys, so no hes not, and he already said he was quitting. otherwise he wouldve attended something by now. pretty sure hes actually done with ultimate. at least for tournaments, hes still gonna stream it for twitchbux

he swept dreamhack while shit tweeting the game all tournament long

He literally said he only did it for so long because of the views. he's been bleeding subscribers in recent weeks because of Granblue. MKLeo's subscribers have gone way up since then.

this desu. he decided to pick up sheik as secondary rather than continue ult. he said on stream he'd still do casual stuff for ultimate

i think hbox is grinding ultimate seriously though, him and leo have had a few practice sessions on stream recently and he goes out of his way to attend ultimate events

announce that the smash franchise is cancelled and have nintendo ban all versions of it from tournaments. god, i wish.

he saying that but I think it might just be part of bubble theory to get melee competition to stop grinding. puff really sucks in ultimate. she's too slow, can't approach, and you can actually edge guard her in ultimate

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because you spergs don't just play your stinky game and shut the fuck up. you have to be pampered with original hardware, controllers that are broken in just the right specific ways, and the ability to bring your own roach-filled crt screens to tournaments. and despite all that special treatment, you still aren't courteous or respectful to anyone else there.

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PPMD will win Apex 2020.

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For sheik I have no idea but ICs can desync and do some crazy shit

Kirby isn't Puff, but I tried to play as him over the last several weeks, and holy shit is he bad. It feels like you cannot approach anyone without having to trade or just get snuffed out. I get he's supposed to be better on the ground since his airspeed is shit, but he still feels awful either way.

Imagine getting thos autistic over a kids game

I think Hbox could legitimately be a top player if he played Wario. Puff just doesn't cut it in this game

why dont they switch to monitors? How is there not an emulator that adjusts for the input lag?
t. idk shit about electrical engineering

Only Nintendofags are such corporate cocksuckers that they get upset when they see people enjoy OLD GAME instead of buying NEW GAME.
People like Melee. New Smash games aren't like Melee. Therefore, the people who like Melee will keep playing Melee.
Why does this upset you? Plenty of popular franchises have dedicated old-school fans.

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>roaches in CRTs at Melee events
do you really think people would do that? just go on the internet and tell lies?

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>and more characters
this is all smashfags care about when it comes down to it. not the gameplay, which has always been garbage (no, smeleefags, your bethesda-tier glitches don't make the game good). it's all about how many bing bing wahoo mascots and anime swordsmen can be crammed into the character selection screen. cinematic reveal trailers are all that matter.

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Add another Fire Emblem rep or anime character and then I'll come play your game

Emulators allow the game to run with less input lag, but emulation is generally frowned on.
They don't switch to monitors because that would introduce serialization delay, which is like 3-5 frames of lag if I remember right, that comes from a digital screen interpreting an analog signal.

smashfags have no personal hygeine at all. why wouldn't all their shit have roaches in it?

give kirby 64 dair shield pressure and some actual kill options
his only confirm is fair 1 fsmas

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You clearly do not understand why the melee community needs to be brought down a peg or two

Some smaller tournaments are moving to monitors though. You can actually play on monitors without input delay, without emulating.
Based Hax is leading the fight.

> if you don't hit the bottom blastzone 0.00002 seconds after leaving the stage, it's a floaty mess
> the only/main factor in how fast a game feels is input lag

Melee has threads everyday. Truly a GOAT contender.

yea thats true. within a few hours of rivals of aether opening their steam workshop there were already multiple marios kirbys and foxs. i wont deny people only play smash because of the characters, but is that really worth pointing out?

>fast gameplay

It's because they're enjoying OLD GAME when NEW GAME is on the market for only $60.
Fuck Melee.

emulation is only "frowned on" because smeleefags are spoiled, pampered divas who expect special treatment.

Forcing threads on a shitty board is the opposite of that

name one other game where it's generally accepted to use an emulator when playing live in front of an audience

Honestly this thread actually makes me wonder how many of the people that vouch for melee actually PLAY the damn thing. Cause for the most part the thing has alot more issues with it gameplay wise that future series fixed and for the most part it just happens to be more popular as a spectator sport than a game.

If people do play it, why don't I see Melee online game threads as often as I do see Ultimate ones? Clearly that might be a way to convince people otherwise, wouldn't it?

name one other game where it's acceptable to demand specifically broken controllers and roach-filled CRTs.

most tournaments dont have a live audience, also melee streams are almost entirely netplay which only exists on emulators

shit like this image is what melee looks cool. not competitive. just nice graphic design

>who expect special treatment.
Meleefags break their backs, carrying around phatass CRTs and set-ups for tourneys.
Proper EVO staff wouldn't even help with logistics. That was done by volunteers.
That's not being spoiled, retard. That's putting in legwork to support your favorite game. Compare this to Ultfags who do nothing but complain about their game on Twitter, demanding nerfs and balance patches all the time.

>
I dont care if its on an emulator if it means tos can organize events more efficiently

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How often do you actually see Ultimate threads about the game and not just rosterfagging or fake leaks or shitposting about pros?

That slick 2000s presentation has never been rivaled. Not even close. Smash past Melee took a fucking nosedive when it comes to good looking menus.

likely because melee players use anther's ladder or smash boards for their matchmaking which is infinitely more streamline than ultimate's online

>not doing a rising first laser

on Yea Forums? rarely
on /vg/? once or twice a day

Ok nostalgiatards

If it was forced, it wouldn't get 500 posts everyday. People still hungry to discuss Melee's place in history. Just sit back and bask in its glory.

see

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Brawl and Smash 4's menus were barely even functional. You can't seriously argue that they're better than Melee's.

Sure thing OP. Ultimate has daily threads that don't need meleefaggotry to get to bump limit. meanwhile meleefags need to piggyback from Ultimate to get their threads to bump limit

What threads?

>auto l cancel
wtf? it's either you don't need to l cancel or you do why would you have two different lag frames when both is automatic there's no purpose for the slower one. just have normal landing lag the same as melee's l cancel or even better yet 64. the input is garbage the result from it isn't.

heres one

The only Ultimate threads on Yea Forums are rosterfagging and ironic shit like posting some random obscure shit character and going ''HE'S IN!''

I mean, there's still competitive starcraft 1, I don't really care if a game is fucking ancient, it's still fun to play and watch. It holds up.

>mfw a few autistic shitposters memed a wobble ban across multiple majors and Smashladder

Fucking legends.

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this. I can't fucking stand how casual ultimate threads are even though I really like the game.
I don't give a fuck about the next anime sword fighter, I want the community to come for sakurais head and make him fix the online and other bullshit mechanics that are holding the game back

First of all, leff is a crybaby who complains about everything including when he loses in melee. Second of all, how are you going to claim that you know what you're talking about when you say something completely patently false like plup and M2K being the best melee players of ultimate when leffen has won a major and is ranked significantly higher than both of them? How can you possibly make any commentary about the melee community when you don't even know about your own community?

You're a retard. Stop speaking for us casualfags. Melee is more fun than Brawl in just about every way

go to /vg/ then

If your friends are brainlet casuals, maybe. But at that point you might as well just play Ultimate.

The online is Nintendos fault not sakurais. If Nintendo would get their shit together and make a competent online system ultimate wouldn't be as bad as it is especially with all the room functionality and stuff.

they have little-to-no rep there because they dont care about their game >(

The smash Bros general on VG is a place we're like three rivaling discords come to shitpost about each other. Also trannies. and I'm not just using discord or tranny as a buzzword in the scenario, the generals actually chock full of them.

Do transfolk scare you or something?

>yes feed me new things nintendo yes i do love this bland white everywhere like apple does i'm a drone feed me.

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>it doesn't count because i don't like it
keep crying like the faggot you are melee shitter. the only melee threads that get this much attention are the ones that devolve into shitposting about ultimate just like this thread. get your head out of your smelly ass

Whenever one of you people actually try to criticize Melee as a game it becomes painfully clear how little you know of not only Melee, but video games in general.
Stop being such a casualfag.

Nothing. They're unable to do well in the newer games therefore they cling onto melee for their life because they don't want to lose the feel of glory and success in the only thing they were ever good at. If anything, feel bad for them.

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Threads mostly filled with rambling shitposting just makes it laughable just like melee competitive elitists like you that refuse to move on

find me the last ultimate thread that wasn't dlc shilling

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I hate melee with a fucking passion, but don’t you ever imply I should have played MvCi

Nintendo doesn't develop the smash games. Ultimate's online being so bad is because of Namco since they were the ones that actually made the game

>look mom i posted it again

A toast, fellow autistchads. Here's to Melee, to another 20 years!

Cheers!

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what is it about playing an old game you enjoy that makes zoomies seethe?

He just needs to actually start supporting the comp scene instead of all those weird half measures merely playing lip service to it

>Fix the shitty netcode
>Add a true ranked mode instead of just quick play
>Add an actually useful training mode
>Have Nintendo actually start sponsoring and supporting tournaments

you're not gonna kill Melee entirely, but a strong first party presence can ensure all the new players continue to funnel into Ultimate so that Melee withers away.

Not related to the thread but why does MaxDood shill MvCI so hard? I don't get it

>moving goalposts after getting BTFO
how about you do it yourself faggot. i'm not your father

You're right on the menus and design but the overall presentation of Brawl (mood, music, stage choice) feels better to me. I still judge hacks by how good they can make the menu look.

We don't have to move on
Sometime the new games are shit compared to the previous installments of the series

Smashfags are retarded. I think Ultimate is the most fun Smash has ever been but I don't really want Melee gone. They can coexist as they reach different audiences.

the answer nobody wants to hear
meleefags think ultimate is a pointless awful game
ultimatefags think melee is a pointless awful game
neither is correct

>expecting centrists views on Yea Forums
STOP THINKING RATIONALLY SHEEP!

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Melee? more like Smellee!

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it's the meleefags who smell this image is all just edits and falseflagging now take a shower

I guess Yea Forumsirgins really can't help treating even kiddy Nintendo games as politics.

Why is it generally accepted to prefer older entries in the following franchises:
>TES
>Dead Space
>Command & Conquer
>Mass Effect
>Final Fantasy
>Halo
>Crash Bandicoot
>Spyro
...or, if we're just going by Nintendo titles, these series:
>Paper Mario
>Star Fox
>Yoshi
>Pikmin
>Pokemon

...but, when it comes to Smash and seemingly only Smash, if you don't like the new game you're an elitist?

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A furry fox faggot like you holds no merits to post anything

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You're only proving me right.
Like clockwork.

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you ever wonder why its that much easier to shitpost about ultimate than it is about melee?

Holy mother of BASED

How does one game cause such an obsession on Yea Forums that it creates a pavlovian response every time it is mentioned?

Probably because of the borderline cult of worshipping Sakurai for some retarded reason.

It's funny when samefag meleetards attempt to "LOL GOT YA" post repeatedly. They make it so obvious.

The only old game forced to death

>HAHA LOOK AT ME IM SO FUNNY LOOK AT MY WALL OF TEXT
didnt read lul

Here are some quotes from Sakurai in regards to Smash Bros and Melee.
No comment other than what he's said.

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Would anyone want to netplay?

>willingly plays a shit game

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I think it's just ultimate and fgc zoomers that are upset. their arguments when it comes to melee is npc:
>you smell bad
all smash games make you sweat. all make you smell bad. this is a universal fact. if you don't like hard games that make you sweaty then you're a casual and need to gtfo.
>doesnt have enough characters
melee makes up for this by the amount of depth each character has, especially the so-called top tiers
>It's old
since when was this ever a problem?
>muh viewcount
we are now comparing a 20 year old game to one that was released a year ago...
>but nintendo
wtf are we defending corporations now?

what if sakurai is actually gigabased and knows melee is perfect and can't replicate the game. Moreover, he's actually aware that the more his team try to balance a game the higher chance they'll just fuck it up so he leaves it to /us/ the community to come up with our own set of rules as we see fit?
what if he actually believes:
>if it ain't broke, don't fix it

The amount of whataboutisms in this thread is crazy.

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From what I can tell, it's not an issue with Melee itself, but with the reasons Melee players give for why they don't play Ultimate.
Even in this thread you'll find a ton of people who say they hate Ultimate and think it feels just like Brawl to play. That everyone's super floaty. That it's boring.
Ultimate players see the act of attacking Melee as a defense of Ultimate.

I don't play Ultimate because melee is more fun.

thats literally the point of thread

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>Meleefag brings up how Melee has more views than Ultimate
>gets BTFO twice
>”W-who cares about views!”
Why do Meleefags pick fights then act like the victim when they get put in their place?

And I don't play Melee because Ultimate is more fun.

Okay.

Cant we all just get along

Sakurai probably just wants as many people as possible to enjoy his take on the fighting game genre.
The man has a massive boner for fightan gaem, but he also understands that it's intimidating to a lot of newer players.
SSB64 was supposed to be an entry level fighting game and Melee was just an evolution of that game's mechanics. When he realised that he accidentally made the game too hardcore, he backpedaled and tried to cater more to the casuals.
He just wants people to like fighting games, man. It's ironic and a little sad, because the Smash fanbase rarely ever dabble in other fighting games.

>When he realised that he accidentally made the game too hardcore, he backpedaled and tried to cater more to the casuals.
Literally not what happened. He casualized it because he wanted you to be able to play Brawl on a wiimote and probably had Iwata breathing down his neck making sure even old fucks in retirement homes could play it. Wii was about gaming for retards and the series suffered from it heavily.

Because you’re into casual used games.

Thread should have ended here, this post is it.

It sucks too, because there's so many entertaining players in both the Melee and post-Brawl scenes and in another timeline, one where Brawl was a proper sequel, we'd get to see them all compete against each other.

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I personally don't fucking care about viewcount fags. I think it's a petty argument when comparing games that are separated by 20 years BUT, it IS a win-win argument. either melee got more views or ultimate fans look lame as fuck for comparing the two games.

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>uses the word glitch
you'd get 4 stocked by the person who got last place at a tournament

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FUCKING RETARDS THERE NEVER WAS A MELEE
YOU ACTUALLY FELL FOR IT FAGGOTS
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

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this. just scaled back the content to work on the new console

when will a solo fox win a supermajor bros?

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