Why western game devs hate fun?

Kill yourself, lying tranny fuck

absolutely despicable

>she's a 1000 year old dragon btw
ok pedo

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I wish that someone would come and kill you, SJW cuck.

He's Israeli not western

This, if this this game was actually a movie, it would be considered a SyFY low budget movie at best.

>you aren’t allowed to discuss cultural marxist propaganda pushing in video games

They don't. They just realize they aren't talented enough as the Japanese are at making fun games, so they don't bother trying. They used to try, decades ago. But they were terrible at it. So they don't do it anymore.

They also realize there is a large audience of pretentious 20 and 30-something manbaby fuckwits who will buy anything as long as it looks expensive and makes them feel more adult.

Unbridled Leftism.

Because they're ugly. It's as simple as that.

They don't use it not because the game isn't meant to be fun.
They simply want the player to feel sickened by Ellies actions. Like, the gameplay when put into context becomes much less fun when the player thinks about what they're actually doing in the context of the game.

Basically, "Fun" gameplay that, when put into context, becomes sickening to watch.
This is what I'm getting at.

How is Israel not western?

Kikewoodians are western.

Leftism is about destroying everything that is fun, creative or beautiful, it’s a mental illness that needs to be killed off before it destroys our society.

Israel is in the Middle East

Because white male right wingers have fun

Leftists are at least making vidya. All you do is rant about politics on Yea Forums

i'm less curious about why they hate fun, than about why this director guy thought it was okay to say that in an interview.

i tried to read the article for context but the site won't let me read it while i have adblock on so i'm relying on anons to answer my question

Fuck off pedophiles
Go jerk off to loli porn somewhere else, subhuman retards.

Australia is in Oceania.

>How is Israel not western?

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>gets called out on his obvious pedo tendencies
>n-no you are the pedo
back to retardera with you

Kill yourself, tranny

>implying pedos would ever jerk off to those goblin jewesses

How come this triggers Yea Forums so much? They say they want to use words like "engaging" instead because then they see if from the investment of a character. This article is now 2 years old and still triggers Yea Forums.

Kill yourself, tranny

Because I want that games stay funny and full of beauty, instead of being turned into cultural marxist propaganda agitating people to kill white people and to worship trannies.

never played this game. can someone tell me what the issue with this post is?
is he lying that they're supposed to be 19 or do people mean that their ingame models look underaged, regardless of their stated age

Ellie and Dina are actually 19. Yea Forums is just ass blasted by TLOU as usual.

sadistic jew who puts little girls making out in a church in his game. sony has some quality (((people))) working for them.

It’s a game advocating for pedophilia and degeneracy while also painting an image of white men as filthy monsters that have to be killed off, in order to brainwash western gamers to become ethnomasochistic cucks who start supporting the genocide of their own race.

>they're actually adults user, they only LOOK like they're 14 years old XD uwu

are you sure? isn't this that game about killing broccoli heads?

>this game is not "fun" because its story driven and you cant bing bing wahoo
>IT MUST BE DA JOOS

Fun suggests that what they're working on can be reduced to a mere toy when what they want to be seen is something educational and a piece of social commentary.

Of course there's no need to sacrifice one over the other and both can work in tandem to help the effectiveness of each, but it's easier to just focus on one and suggest that the magnitude of their work is so great that compromises have to be made.

isn't neil druckmann a jew?

>game
It doesn’t even deserve to be called one, it’s a ”cinematic” experience where you can’t even die. Just what your typical snoycucks like.

But Druckmann absolutely is a white-hating jew

So Last of Us 2 is Marxist cultural propaganda agitating to kill white people and worship trannies?
You sure you're not acting like a schizo?

are there any trannies in the game?

Why are you defending degenerate propaganda, cuck? Kill yourself.

Yes.

>They also realize there is a large audience of pretentious 20 and 30-something manbaby fuckwits who will buy anything as long as it looks expensive and makes them feel more adult.
This is the entire PS4 audience and your average Redditor. They care about how something looks and is perceived by the general public, not how good it actually is.

Just look at the reception of Persona 5. Terrible game, abysmal sequel etc. Just an all around disappointment on every level yet people pretend like it's the best JRPG because it looks good. Complete delusion.

If the games media like you they'll let certain things slip by.
Count how many articles there are about Life Is Strange 2's anti-trump rhetoric over its depiction of underage sex.

Doesn't seem to be the case.

Western indie game devs are capable of making fun games at least. At this point the only people who can't make interesting games are Western AAA companies. Japanese AAA companies just make high budget interesting games (Square Enix, Nintendo, Platinum, etc.)

Death Stranding isn't supposed to be fun either, yet I had a much better experience than TLOU2

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Is it really surprising, when you know that left supports pedophilia just because they know that it is harmful and damaging to the western culture? It’s a weapon they willingly embrace and spread.

Why does this game trigger Yea Forums schizos so much even though it's not even out yet?

seem? are you telling me this shit isn't even out yet? wtf i've been hearing about this dumb game for years.
thanks for saving me some time, i thought this thread might have something worthwhile to say so i was lurking but i see now that's impossible. i'm closing this tab.

>yet I had a much better experience than TLOU2
Really makes me think

We already know that it will be cultural marxist shit

Why must everything be fun?

Nice Trips!

Will naughty dog go under if this fail to sell?

Why Yea Forums is triggered by this statement when Dark Souls is your darling?
Is blighttown/valley of defilement traditionally fun? Is Frenzy fun?

They're wannabe movie directors who never made it in Hollywood so story-focused vidya games are the next best thing for them. Self-important, talentless cunts.

Dank Souls is a meme.

because if you enjoyed it, then you had fun
what is the point of unenjoyable entertainment?
and before you sperg out, negative emotions can be enjoyable too, bing bing wahoo isn't the only kind of fun that exists

To indoctrinate people into believing your ideology by constantly presenting strawmen.

>The Last of Onions 2
We dont use the word "buy".

The word "fun" isn't fitting for every game and The Last of Us (2) is one of them. Not everything has to be fun, fuck off and go back to playing your bing bing wahooshit.

They both look 12

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Sure thing

if you didn't have fun, then it wasn't enjoyable
if it wasn't enjoyable, then it wasn't a good story

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>Why western game devs hate fun?
Silent Hill 1-4
Ico
Shadow Of Colossus
Sure as hell weren't games focused on being "fun". Why people pretend like the west is the only pushing for more narrative and serious experiences, when Japan has been doing it far more than the west for entire decades is completely beyond me.

Also some more fun facts: Japan is also the birthplace of cover-based shooting and QTE's.

Fun is subjective, but a game HAS to be satisfying otherwise it's just a boring chore

Man in what shithole do you fucking live to see 12 year olds that look like meth addled goblinas?

SotC was the funnest PS2 experience for me. Every year I replay the Phalanx and Avion bosses.

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There are other words than "fun", you absolute fucking brainlet. You don't have to use it for a synonym for absolutely everything you like.

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The difference between those and
>stronk woman fights #28193
Is that those games were original and excelled in what they attempted. TLOU is your typical piece of shit, cringeworthy woke western game about stronk woman and diversity quotes. Also, It doesn't matter who invented cover based or QTEs, especially QTEs were a way to make cutscenes more interactive, but they're not worth it anymore and most japanese devs stopped including those in their games, unfortunately talentless western studios like ND keep including shitload of QTEs into their barebones cover based shooters.

You can only hope.....but something tells me they are gonna ne around forever

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Dumb asukaposter

they hate seeing white men having fun.

It's time to rise up lads. But unironically.

Los Angeles, obviously

Just read the article before talking, moron.

You know, if TLoU2 protagonists looked like this it would've been my GOTY to end all GOATs desu.

Whoa... so daring...so innovative
This one is gonna be for the smart ones gentlemen...

He’s right, games aren’t meant to be fun, they’re about conveying the message you’re trying to push

What if people find games that aren't fun fun like Dark Souls?

Dark Souls is fun
Dumb westamutt

Japan has more stronk wymen fighting in their games than west too, you retard. They just happen to also be usually eye-candy, so you don't pay attention, meaning that you are a massive hypocrite. And Japan stopped using QTE because people got incredibly sick of them, not because they somehow are better at game design than the west. Let me also remind you they made shit like Asura's Wrath, a game that is EXCLUSIVELY a QTE chain. And the last generic third person with QTE's I've played was Binary Domain, you know, a fairly recent game by the makers of Yakuza?

Look, I'm not saying Japan is worse at game design than the west. I'm just fascinated by the sheer amount of delusion and straight up lying that you people spew, fairly often the EXACT opposite of true. Japan piloted the cinematic grandiose story-focused gaming with shit like Final Fantasy, japan has been making too-serious-for-fun games for decades now, they have piloted most of the shit you so eagerly hate about the western gaming.

Play what you want, there are tons of good japanese games out there for sure, but just don't fucking lie to yourself about it. It's sad and undignified, and you should know better.

Walkie talkie moviegame garbage shit was first shat out by Valkve with HL2 and every bitch westacuck copied them

Meanwhile Japan gives us masterpieces like Sekiro

Dilate
Seethe
Cope

>Moviegame
Opinion discarded

Do you ever stop, look at the shit you post and realize: "Yep, that is what I have become?" I know you usually do some mental gymnastics, making excuses about how you are just trolling people, but that facade has to break from time to time, doesn't it?
And does it not get tiresome? After all, it's so god damn boring, so uncreative, so mechanical and routine.
What keeps you going with it?

Get fucked

Why are you so scared of answering my questions?

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Go moralfag somewhere else.

>Yea Forums: We don't use the word "Fun" here
>game director: hey I agree! Fun is a buzzword
>Yea Forums: Wait what the fuck nevermind, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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"We are still trying to pretend video games are art before games, we a very adult people who don't like toys or fun."

Don't cry when you game underperforms because it isn't even an enjoyable game experience.

Pathologic 2 wasn't 'fun' but it was still the best game of 2019.

>Ibetdadoosdidthis
genius.

>yeah fun is subjective retards
>neil: we dont use fun
>REEEEEEEEEEE ONIONNNNNSSSSSS

>if I string a lot of words together that I don't really understand, I come off as intelligent.
/pol/ in a nutshell

yeah how much could the last of us 2 sell anyway? definitely doa

It'll be GOTY and one of the most praised games of all time just like The Last of Us.

And it massively underperformed because ultimately, the people who clamor for shit like TLOU are just massive hypocrites who want to feel mature through the narrative, but really, really want to have fun simple gameplay with it.

There has been almost a decade since the original, and people already put that game down the pedestal it was.

>western
>Israeli

it underperformed because it was a walking simulator that wasn't a cakewalk.

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Was gonna preorder this, but I'll wait to see how pozzed it is.

So, it was fun to play so people don't buy it?

Post fun entertainment bros.

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>no true westacuck

>literally a sandnigger jew degenerate
>western

Can't you stop being based?

It's not a walking sim, which is part of the problem. They thought it is supposed to be one, and then blasted it for not being walking sim, literally blaming the game for something they themselves projected into it.

Be it as it may, P2 has worse Metacritic rating than P1, somehow. The studio did survive only thanks to a couple of youtube streamers, and have decided to give the journous what they wanted, and abandon the survival genre all together. Because again, this industry is populated by absolute fucking hypocrities that actively hinder the medium.

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communism allows only misery

>looks like he crawled out the ass of a camel
>western

>So, it was fun to play so people don't buy it?
It's not fun to play. It's incredibly stresful, depressing, harsh and at times clearly unfair.

People did not buy it because it had no marketing and all the reviews gave it terrible scores, it's that simple.
They did give it terrible scores because it's too much of a videogame: it has a decently robust core gameplay, which the reviewers disliked because they felt like that is inappropriate for a story-focused artistic game, which according to them, are supposed to be simple and incredibly accessible.

The new face of the west. You're pozzed to the core, yes.

Fun can be a variety of things, a good story can be fun, good gameplay can be fun, etc.

they failed to understand that the survival grind was there specifically to force the player to experience the same level of hopelessness and dispair as the characters in the game.

>Neil Druckmann was born in Israel on December 5, 1978, to Yehudit and Jerry Ilan Druckmann.

And now he owns your intellectual property and dictates your culture. Happened to all of your companies. Look at Disney.

Oh no he's the creative director of a studio that died in 2007

Very true. Need a crash so these worthless retards go out of business

>Need a crash

people have been saying this on Yea Forums for over a decade and i still don't think you guys even KNOW what you're asking for.

Sure we do. The only thing preventing the crash are microtransactions. Why do you think sony is opening up show in third world shitholes selling decade old consoles?

It's even worse than that: they failed to realize the gameplay IS THE NARRATIVE. It's literally integral to every aspect of the the story. It's not just about making you experience negative emotions: it's there generate key narrative motivations, to communicate central themes, especially the themes of responcibility and sacrifice, which are literally the most important beats of the story.
It's absolutely AMAZING how much they missed the point of the game. And it's even worse because the game goes out of its way to explain EVERYTHING to you. It literally goes into lenghty discussions about it's own controversial gameplay mechanics, giving careful reasons why they chose them, and at times even allowing you to negotiate them.

And all of that fell entirely on deaf fucking ears. Because this industry is a shithole. Pathologic 2 has proven more than any other game that videogames are not ready to be an art form, that they are still expected to be nothing but dumb shallow toys.
And ironically, it's not because the audience thinks that way. It's because the fucking CRITICS, the journalists, the very people whose job is to push the medium forward, the HYPOCRITICAL CUNTS that deman games to be more mature, more political, less just toys: while torpedoing games like Pathologic.

It makes me want to throw up.

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I'm gonna have to make the developers of Last of Us cry a little bit, because your game actually looks fun, so I guess you gonna have to delay it or restart the project.
Please, stop being ashamed f having fun with video game and telling people that they should be ashamed of that, just to pretend you are mature? Your game is nothing but a good survival horror shooter with an engaging narrative and characters.

>Silent Hill 1-4
>Ico
>Shadow Of Colossus
>not fun
Maybe you are just pretending to like games because they are popular and not because you legitimately enjoyed them.

Like really, I could give your game to a 12 years old and they would have as much fun and the adults playing your games, because your "mature narrative" isn't really the more important part of your game, but that narrative is going to "earn" you a award by the end of the year right?

I don't want to advocate for them, but I think they phrase it wrong. They're treating the word 'fun' strictly as 'mindless fun'.
Happens a lot with books and essays. Take, for instance, Letter to his Father, by Franz Kafka. No one in their right mind would dare to claim it's an extraordinarily fun read, but it keeps you engaged till the very end. That can be classified as 'fun' too, but since it sounds too cheap and bastardizing most people avoid that term.

How else are you going to get preorders? Back in 2013 the way you did it was by showing doctored gameplay.

because they are miserable, unhappy, jaded pieces of shits who hate their own existence and want to drag everyone down to their level.

Because they like sticks up their butts.

why is she kissing Kylo Ren?

Is watching Schindler's List fun?

but tlou1 is a fun game though

games should aspire for more than just funs

Or maybe I find other ways a game can be rewarding that an immediate fun while playing them.
I would not call most Franz Kafka's writing fun either, yet I think he is one of the best writers of all time.
Fun, in common discourse, implies immediate pleasurable experience. Games, books, movies and all other media have different and means to be rewarding and valuable than just that.

Lesbian, cinematic, grim, dark, edgy, progressive, boring, but not fun. I agree with them. Fun shouldn’t be used to describe tlou

Lets not sit here and pretend TLOU has anything on the games you mentioned in terms of experience.

I am not saying that. I find TLOU to be a rather laughable title, competent but genuinely pretentious (which believe it or not, is not a word I use lightly or frequently) and ultimately really really bland and dull.
But that is not really the point here. It sure as hell is more FUN than Silent Hill 1-4 and I have no doubts that despite their bullshit claims, TLOU2 will be exactly the same thing too.

My point was that claiming that west "hates fun" (e.g. makes "serious" games that sacrifice gratification for sake of a serious narrative) while japan does nothing but carefree, gameplay focused fun romps, is massively hypocritical and straight up untrue. If anything, the west seems more reluctant to actually make games genuinely unpleasant to play for sake of a greater message, something that Japan, as well as at times Eastern Europe are far more willing to do.

honestly i think its what happens when a bunch of journalism majors get out of college, realize the market is saturated and journalism is dead, so they have to get any job they can get, which leads to more and more game critics who don't even LIKE videogames.

this is bullshit. I'm a film buff and to me old experimental arthouse films are fun. In their own unconventional way, but the good ones are always fun. Q1 has always been inseparable from entertainment. Shakespeare plays, Beethoven's movements and the Iliad are meant to be entertaining in some form or other. Why the fuck would a VIDEO GAME, which is supposed to be entertainment first and foremost, not be fun?

The whole situation is a bit more complicated. Gaming journalism has went through a series of major shitstorms - first with the shift from print to add-revenue system, then with their compliance with the massive industry take-over push with 7th gen consoles, then the competition of youtube and explosition of the corruption...
All of that was enough to drive most reasonable people away from the industry, and when the rest decided to re-establish their reputation by getting politically involved, they created what Marxism is best at: creating massive amount of work places for people regardless of their competence, and gating them off to anyone of actual credibility.

Now it is for the most part people who do it because they want to feel important, but weren't good enough to make it in any other area, paritcularly media or academia. They use political agenda as a way to excuse their positions, but they are woefully incompetent to actually do them - they simply don't care, or understand games, it's not what decides whenever they get to stay in the position or not.

BotW should have been named The Legend of Zelda: Do You Remember Fun? instead.

>to me old experimental arthouse films are fun
Nobody cares. Their primary objective isn't "fun", same goes to certain video games.

Entertainment is always one of the main goals, ask any respected director. If a film is boring it'll be shit no matter how unique it is. Video games are the most fun-centered medium, it's been their main (most times their only) purpose since Pong. Besides, the guy I was replying to claimed the word "fun" isn't fitting for every game, not that fun isn't necessarily a primary objective

they western the same way poland is western.

>Entertainment is always one of the main goals
Fun isn't the only way to describe the entertainment. Read the article before talking.

a playstation movie game will never be fun

Good, fun is a buzzword.

Because Fun=/=Profits
Just look at any gacha. Preys upon people's addictions of collecting, all of them are not fun in the slightest, and many of them make millions PER DAY

They did, the games writers and directors are both jewish, retard

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>if I ignore what the other person says I still win
Retards in a nutshell

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Ellie should become a nudist, there is no reason for her to wear any clothes and I bet she has a cute butt.p

Despite him being a pretentious fag I think he meant it's supposed to be a thriller or dramatic story instead of classic Vidya fun, which says nothing about the gameplay loop.
Either way the game will be shit regardless of genuine fun factor partly because it's tainted by all the retards attention whoring about it.

Because it's the video game equivalent of saying "do it good." Like, no shit. The creative process involves a lot more attention to detail than that though.

For this reason mostly

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Yes

Why wouldn't it be

Unironically yes.
It's also fun to watch the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. Spielberg achieved lots of enjoyment when erasing mutts on that french beach.

I don't give a fuck about movies. We're talking about fucking video games.

Yes

stop snorting pol farts please

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he's not lying, they are 19, stated to be 19 and look 19.
Anons here probably still think about the first game, set when she was 14.

>you can’t even die
what the fuck are you smoking?

>(((Druckman)))
>Born in Isreal.

Kys tranny