What about, Shepard? Earthborn, but no record of his relationship history

What do you think the prerequisites would be to date certain races?

>Quarian
Have to visit seeder areas of the Wards where you risk getting mugged. Have to give money and gifts constantly. At security checkpoints you'll get stopped and harassed by C-Sec. Your other friends wont want to hang out with you. Have to buy her meds too.

>Turian
Will only date you if you hit the gym and beat her in 1v1.

>Asari
Easy mode.

>Krogan
Beat EVERYONE in 1v1 at the gym and she'll come onto you. Chance of injury. Other krogan may challenge you for her at random (chance of death!)

>Batarian
Can't talk back to her or argue with her at all. Will only do things her way. Very dominant and you also have to spoil her with gifts and money constantly.

>Drell
Found in the seeder part of the Wards, like the quarian. Need to get in the drug business selling hallucinogenic drugs made from drell skin venom. Chance of arrest by C-Sec at any checkpoint.

>Elcor
Need to be very cultured and have the dosh to attend high society functions on the Presidium. Mild chance of injury due to her strength. Need to pass a charisma check.

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What about Liara? Big tits. High IQ.

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Liara is shit tho.

I just want a keeper gf to milk me for the protein vats

Liara is a smart girl but Bioware did her dirty

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no u

Worst girl.

I didn't post Jack.

Jack needs to be set free

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I know.

She's too free. She needs to be locked in the kitchen.

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Wait from where is it?

The screenshot? Citadel DLC.

>lol let's just do some combat simulation while the galaxy is being invaded by Reapers
Whole DLC is fucking retarded.

>Whole DLC is fucking based!
ftfy, you lad!

>Whole DLC is fucking retarded.
Nah it could be good as post-ending final farewell, like freeing Shire from Saruman in Lord of The Rings
But honestly, ME2 characters deserved more screentime, than side missions.

Whoa there user, that's dangerously close to criticizing ME1 where Shep can do some combat simulations while in a race against Saren to the conduit. And get given a free house.

Only Cerberus can help her. Look at how happy she is.

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It's silly fun. It's fine.

That's a legit criticism of ME1's plot. You CAN, if you roleplay very deeply, figure out some reasons to investigate things other than the main plot missions, but I do think ME1's main plot should have been reworded to encourage more exploration or else the game should just let you continue after the ending.

YOUR MAJESTY! Furfag and his minions have seized the precinct of the Space Time Continuum.

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Jack becomes a good girl who teaches biotic P.E to special needs children.
Liara becomes a scummy secret trader that gets humiliated by a living member of the race she chose to study for her PHD. And Liarafags love giving her a fat futa cock too so Liara is just terrible by association.

Why was this the first thing I thought of when I saw OPs post?

I think that Jack's teaching job should only happen if you romance her in ME2, and thus help her overcome her issues. Otherwise she should just be on the run from the law.

And don't forget that Liara's race are literally genestealers

Because it's been nearly 9 years user

>Liara becomes a scummy secret trader that gets humiliated by a living member of the race she chose to study for her PHD
Taking Javik with you to Thessia to hear him dab all over Liara NEVER gets old.

well the vast majority of side missions stem from the Alliance going
>So Shepard, I know you're saving the galaxy and all but do our work for us
or are the sort of situation Shepard would have investigated, like the derelict/crashing ships
Liara became that scummy secret trader for you though lmao
she is forever thirsty for you and the plot makes more sense if you romanced her for how hard she loves you.
>keeps your fucking incinerated armor in her apartment romance or no

>well the vast majority of side missions stem from the Alliance going
Oh I know, and I like said if you really put yourself in Shepard's head it is not hard to justify all the side content in Mass Effect. After all, we, the player, know that Feros, Noveria, and Therum, are plot missions... but as far as Shepard knows, those leads aren't any stronger than any of the leads he gets to investigate other locations and events.

>Feros
Given how fast the geth attack on Eden Prime was, and how small the Feros colony is, Shepard might expect that is a battle already lost.

>Searching for Liara
A star cluster is HUGE. We only get four locations and a dozen or so planets to look at, but in "real life" Shepard could spend weeks or months searching that cluster for Liara.

>Noveria
Vague reports about possible geth sightings, and it is a hotbed of conspiracies and corporate red tape. Shepard doesn't even know what to look for there.

Learning from Wrex had Saren has been hiring mercs/pirates to attack merchant vessels in the recent past, gives Shepard some incentive to look at lots of random events going on in the Traverse. Never know what might turn up a lead.

>she is forever thirsty for you and the plot makes more sense if you romanced her for how hard she loves you.
So liara is just a forced waifu with no personality

liarafags are literally disgusting, wanting to date an emotional child

any asari that is older would be "better" but she's fucking stunted as fuck. then there's the whole *hits pipe* raising only daughters thing

jack, tali, miranda, ashley, samara/kasumi (can't have), are all better than liara by a country mile

Well kind of. I find it baffling they fucked her up so badly. In ME2 she should just be on Ilos doing research about the Protheans their war against the Reapers. Then it would make sense in ME3 if she turned up and knew about the cache on Mars.

Even Kelly is better and all she does is shake her ass for you

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Kelly would indulge all of your fetishes, no matter how weird, and never judge you for it.

>So liara is just a forced waifu with no personality
not really
She was the nerdy antisocial autistic virgin in 1. Wide eyed, optimistic, genuinely believed in the council and all that jazz
then all the plot development happened in a fucking comic (behead whatever fucker thought that was a brilliant idea) between 1 and 2 so you see her again as miss hard boiled bitch on a revenge mission (though you do get hints of her old personality occasionally cracking through). Shadow broker explores this tension again and she finds her own inner peace as a "good but willing to do dirty shit for the greater good" person. Which carries over to 3 with the return in prominence of her prothean knowledge.
The main problem is as stated above they had the most important reason for her personality shift happen in a comic so for the vast majority of people it feels out of nowhere and forced.

based. forgot about kelly. yeah. she'd be a submissive freak in the sack for you, but an equal partner out of the bedroom, kino pick

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>not really
Yes really
>The main problem is as stated above they had the most important reason for her personality shift happen in a comic so for the vast majority of people it feels out of nowhere and forced.
It's not eve about personality it's more about how much more content you getting with Liara with nearly zero reasons

>Yes really
if we're talking about her being the shilled waifu then absolutely she is, only one you can romance every game and to kill her requires essentially losing the game

but I disagree on the no personality part, they just handled its changes very very poorly

>Uhm, certainly Commander. Do you have a favorite nail polish? Just let me know, okay?
Based.

I feel that they were planning just more side mission with ex-companions who weren't included into ME3 crew, but scratched it and made combat simulator

She has a personality, and I suppose in ME2 and ME3 it is consistent, but her radical change from ME1 to ME2, is just baffling to me. Most people don't appreciate just how drastically her character was changed. It's like... she's a totally new person but it slips by because she has the same voice actor and face model.

Damn straight

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>child
>has a PhD and years of fieldwork experience
She's equivalent to Shepard in what age she would be as a human, she's just an academic turbosperg who thinks its a good idea to say "so uh im 90 but that's like a kid!" to try to cover for the fact the age/personality gaps are really pronounced between them.

Hyperbole. She's an adult. So is Tali, for that matter.

>>child
>>has a PhD and years of fieldwork experience
Generic alien damsel in distress, PhD was added only to give a reason for her joinning the crew as prothean expert
>years of fieldwork experience
WAAAH SAVE ME SHEPHERD

>but her radical change from ME1 to ME2, is just baffling to me. Most people don't appreciate just how drastically her character was changed. It's like... she's a totally new person but it slips by because she has the same voice actor and face model.
well to reiterate that's because the geniuses decided the in depth explanation for her gigantic character shift was going to be contained in A:a comic like 5% of all players (and I'm being generous) ever read, and B:a dlc that came out long after the initial disorientation.
The shift makes more sense in that case, though it's still jarring.

you want a noncanon explanation my guess is they felt like having two shy autist romance choices would be a bit much

>hooves

>well to reiterate that's because the geniuses decided the in depth explanation for her gigantic character shift was going to be contained in A:a comic
The comic doesn't explain anything or justify anything. It was a bad idea in the first place.

In ME1, Liara is intellectual, awkward, kind-hearted, and very logical in processing her emotions. She isn't used to being around people at all. When she is forced to kill her own mother in self defense she does grieve, but she rationalizes what happened and moves on from the grief rather quickly. In this case she even explains to Shepard how asari have learned to accept death and not to dwell on it because they live in a galaxy, and predominantly mate with, species that live only a fraction as long as they do. That's many lifetimes worth of friends and loved ones who die every century or so.

So with that in mind, does it make sense at all that she would be at all concerned with saving Shepard's body or become obsessed with revenge against the Shadow Broker? Here is what SHOULD have happened.

GARRUS is recruited by Cerberus to get the body. This would explain why either his Spectre training or return to C-Sec got diverted. After making an enemy of the Shadow Broker he goes into hiding, becoming Archangel. Doesn't that make a hell of a lot more sense?

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They don't have hooves. Look at the shape of the toes here. Clearly their feet are like human feet but with elongated toes. Hooves are closer to what salarians have.

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>GARRUS is recruited by Cerberus to get the body. This would explain why either his Spectre training or return to C-Sec got diverted. After making an enemy of the Shadow Broker he goes into hiding, becoming Archangel.
Fucking hell this would have been kino

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basically it only works if you assume Liara is stalker tier in love with you, or you romanced her in one, and given the plot one or the other always applies.
Then just sprinkle in the fact that they're not going to have her just move on (only person in game to ever do that was Jacob lmao) from you and it works, even if it's still fairly weak.

>Jacob
Not only does this piece of shit move on but he's shacked up with another woman and gotten her pregnant in the span of like six months.

Pay the toll

it is comically hilarious how bioware makes the black male romantic option be the ONLY one who cheats on shepard and permanently leaves them.
I almost feel bad for the 1% of people who actually picked him to romance, then I remember they didn't pick Garrus and laugh maniacally

Heavy risk but the priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiize
Yeah fuck Jacob

>basically it only works if you assume Liara is stalker tier in love with you, or you romanced her in one, and given the plot one or the other always applies.
It never works at all. Here is how ME1 Liara would react to Shepard's death:

She would feel terrible, but would persevere and continue her work. In light of Sovereign, Vigil, Ilos, and the Reapers, she would know that the best thing she could do to honor Shepard's memory and sacrifice, would be to continue her research. She'd study Ilos or other places to find further proof of the Reapers and some way to stop them.

I'd argue as well that TIM would recognize she best serves galaxy, and by proxy humanity, by continuing her research. He'd spy on her quietly support her research. There'd be no reason for her to appear in ME2 until the Shadow Broker DLC. Which could remain largely unchanged except we drop the silly revenge story and Feron. Instead, she gets hunted because she is on the cusp of a major discovery about the Protheans (Crucible perhaps) and the Broker tries to steal it to bargain for its own survival with the Reapers. Or something to that effect.

Mac Walters is a hack. Unbelievable how he managed to fuck up her character so badly. There was just no reason to ever put her on this revenge path or to make her the protagonist of the prequel comic.

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this is predicated on the assumption that Liara would be able to quickly move on, and I have to disagree with your use of Benezia as evidence given Liara had been estranged from her for years and had steeled herself the minute you step foot on Noveria, which was Bioware's cop out to not have her lose her shit for real given she helped kill her own mother who died before her eyes.
Meanwhile she is the equivalent of an 18-20 year old human, the person who was either her first bf/gf or first crush, who died in a way most likely to induce a lot of survivors guilt in her and the Virmire survivor. I can understand embarking on the search for the body and subsequently losing her shit as events tumbled down without shepard as her crutch.

Also if we want real character rape can always fall back to the entire cerberus organization and TIM himself, still bugs me

>Mac Walters is a hack
qft

>this is predicated on the assumption that Liara would be able to quickly move on
Yes, because she fucking would be. She's one of the most mature and logical people on the crew. I already explained how SHE explained how she was able to move on from her mother's death. She liked Shepard, but didn't know him long. It's an utter asspull for her to be obsessed and "unable to let him go". Not that she'd move on without caring, she'd care, but she'd put that grief towards a constructive use.

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Is ME1-3 worth replaying with the 4k texture packs?

Absolutely. Also grab some of the other recommended mods while you're at it.

>I already explained how SHE explained how she was able to move on from her mother's death.
that accepting death conversation is unrelated to her mother IIRC, it comes up while talking about asari culture
and she was talking about cultural norms rather than her own personal experience

What are good mods for second game?

>that accepting death conversation is unrelated to her mother IIRC
No, it comes up when you ask her about Benezia. You can ask her about even if she wasn't present for Benezia's death. If you take her to the confrontation, she clearly experiences some intense emotions over her mother's death. It's not like she is casual about it.

She also handles being stranded, alone, on Therum for weeks or even months. You get an amusing scene if you go there last where she is delirious. Again, I stress that I believe she is too mature and intelligent to become obsessed with Shepard. After all, in ME2 and ME3 she moves on if Shepard dropped in her in 2 for someone else.

So what is your actual evidence to justify her behavior in ME2? I've got examples for why I interpret her character a certain way. Examples of her behavior in game. What have you got?

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i only used alot + the mods it mentions in the alot installer, no mini games, and me2recalibrated
be sure to enable the console so you can give yourself minerals to avoid that awful planet scanning shit

Get a free cam mod so you can creep on your squadmates and just explore the maps

>No, it comes up when you ask her about Benezia. You can ask her about even if she wasn't present for Benezia's death. If you take her to the confrontation, she clearly experiences some intense emotions over her mother's death. It's not like she is casual about it.
given I haven't played in a year I'll take your word for it
>she is too mature and intelligent
Liara Tsoni? lmao intelligent yes but it's evidently clear she is still a naive child in 1 if you look at her personality.
>After all, in ME2 and ME3 she moves on if Shepard dropped in her in 2 for someone else.
are you forgetting the fact she had your charred armor in her apartment building? her behavior upon your first meeting where she hugs you in a way no one else does, the obvious emotion in her voice, the fact she had your dog tags?
and it's noted by lair of the shadow broker she's struggling with your revival and its meaning for relationships given she'd been *trying* to accept your death for years now

>given I haven't played in a year I'll take your word for it
It doesn't matter precisely when the convo comes up, because even if it is not tied specifically to Benezia's death, she still talks about her mother's death and moves on even if she was present for it.
>Liara Tsoni? lmao intelligent yes but it's evidently clear she is still a naive child in 1 if you look at her personality.
A naive child doesn't conduct her own research in the field, alone. She's not naive; she's socially awkward. What makes you think she is naive?
>are you forgetting the fact she had your charred armor in her apartment building?
What does that proof? I didn't say she wouldn't care at all about Shepard. I said she wouldn't be obsessed. A memento from Shepard is not obsession, and the armor piece is obviously there because Walters thought it was wise to have her star in a comic about getting Shepard's body back from the Shadow Broker.
>her behavior upon your first meeting where she hugs you in a way no one else does
What does that prove? What's it supposed to mean? Hugs are pretty normal in everyday life. Wrex gives one as I recall. Oh dear...

>and it's noted by lair of the shadow broker she's struggling with your revival and its meaning for relationships given she'd been *trying* to accept your death for years now
Yes, and my premise is that this is bullshit and contradicts her previous characterization. It even contradicts her characterization in ME2. She's obsessed and can't let go, but can't put aside her revenge against the Shadow Broker, but she can put aside Shepard dumping her to bone someone else. So can she let go or not?

>What makes you think she is naive?
did you not pay attention to her opinions on literally anything but the protheans? actually scratch that, the protheans too.
starry eyed optimist who thought everything would be okay if we all held hands and sang kumbaya, and who thought the protheans were a civilized cultured people who totally didn't fuck asari in the equivalent to bestiality
>A memento from Shepard is not obsession
his dog tags were a normal memento, putting the remnants of his armor in a glass case?
>Wrex gives one as I recall. Oh dear...
I suppose you didn't notice the incredibly obvious difference in tone between said scenes?
With liara the only difference between the romance and non romance version is you kiss
>but she can put aside Shepard dumping her to bone someone else. So can she let go or not?
Liara's awkwardness means in terms of romance she's perfectly fine with being cucked if it means she can be in the friendzone.
I mean remember in 3 when she goes
>yes, just...friends

apologies user but as it's 2am I have to stop here for the night and sleep. Enjoyed a good old fashioned Mass Effect debate though

>did you not pay attention to her opinions on literally anything but the protheans? actually scratch that, the protheans too.
What opinions specifically?
>starry eyed optimist who thought everything would be okay if we all held hands and sang kumbaya
I know she is a Paragon, but you are being very uncharitable and miss-characterizing her statements. I am very "Renegade" myself but Liara doesn't say anything naive. She says aliens fear humans because of their aggression and that Shepard has the chance to affect this view. A true statement. She will argue passionately against killing the rachni queen citing ethical concerns. At the Citadel, she can actually argue for or against saving the Council depending on who is present (Kaidan is more Paragon than she is).

>his dog tags were a normal memento, putting the remnants of his armor in a glass case?
Why not? Is this the best you can do? As I said, the armor is a call back to the comic. Even if Liara felt nothing about Shepard would probably be a valuable little artifact on its own. She has the armor because she cares about Shepard. It does not indicate obsession, of which I don't even deny. In ME2, Liara is obsessed. My argument is that she shouldn't be and that writing her to be obsessed is not true to the character. Do you understand me here?

>Liara's awkwardness means in terms of romance she's perfectly fine with being cucked if it means she can be in the friendzone.
wut?

>apologies user but as it's 2am I have to stop here for the night and sleep. Enjoyed a good old fashioned Mass Effect debate though
Well, good night then.

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Best girl

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Worse than human space-rats

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Quarians are pure

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Damn right

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I'm almost tempted to get the games on PC just so I can take my own screen shots

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Do it for her, user

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Might not have enough room left after RE3

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She's my waifu.

>she is forever thirsty for you and the plot makes more sense if you romanced her for how hard she loves you.
>>keeps your fucking incinerated armor in her apartment romance or no
Best girl.

nyet

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Well, she is for me.

Well, okay.

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Okeer was far more interesting character than Grunt

But he was SO GOOD

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Creepy

souce me nude version, lad

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In what way? I made this (just the animation and scene, not the model) to practice with Blender. I welcome feedback.

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Do have more Liara animations? So that I can judge better... If you get me.

Not yet, I'm still new at this. Also those 4 seconds took 8 hours to render at 1080p so... yeah.

The Liara model is from this guy: twitter.com/Rigid3d/with_replies
He has some good stuff.

Damn, even clothed....god dayum

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Well, animation is fine, but her expression is a bit off. Like she's really really on drugs.

hmmm... okay. I'll try to work on it.

I think it's the eyes more than expression tho.

Is this better? i.imgur.com/VGuyWzA.jpg

Dunno, I think eyes might look better now. That be said, they way she licks her lips, her face looks too stiff and lifeless.

what the fuck am i reading?
i'd play it

To be honest, if Citadel was releasedas intended aka "Shepard and his team celebrating after war is over" makes sense, since ofr SHepard and jack combat is the way to relax.

>ME1
>In first contact with galactic community humanity defeated the strongest military of Milky Way and for a less than century became one of the strongest power in the Galaxy
>ME2
>Mordin says that humans are Eldorado of genetic treasures
>Shepard and pro-human organisation Cerberus are spearhead against the Reapers slaves known as Collectors
>ME3
>Well, no sweetie, diversity and multiculti is our strength, humans are bad, so go and help other races and help Arua to restore her little criminal nest

Ah, "consistent writing". We have dismissed that claim.

I'd play it

>ME5
user, there are only 3 games.

I can put up with most of the contrived bullshit in the series, but Citadel's character writing and tone is pretty atrocious. Characters are frequently acting unlike themselves and trying to make constant quips. ME3's plot was mostly retarded, but the characters generally weren't annoying and renegade can just shut them down when they are. It's very noticeable that ME3 released pre-Avengers and Citadel came out a year after Avengers, so you've got even worse writers imitating Whedon.

>Rigid's Liara on the cockpit
Diamonds

Can we both agree that Normandy terribly designed

I'm assuming the normandy was like the F-35. A multi quintillion dollar baby of some admiral who was drinking buddies with some senator on a procurements committee. At every step of the design phase, a new group of people had to add their own shine and gold plating. By the end the whole thing got shuffled between services before being snapped up by Cerberus because no-one wanted to admit responsibility for it.

Then why none suggested additional weapon to not rotatable rail gun?

ME1 was an attempt at hard scifi.
ME3 devolved into the gaming equivalent of shallow capeshit.

If it's anything like the F-35, the stealth system is probably a buggy piece of shit that interferes with other systems. The F-35 can't mount external bombs or missiles because it'll fuck up its "stealth" components that make its radar cross section hard to spot.

The Normandy was a concept car. Those are always shit.

>ME1 was an attempt at hard scifi.
Nope

I love the idea of being the crewman stuck working in the hangar, knowing that if there's a hull breach or a fire and we lose power to the elevator, I'm literally trapped with no way to escape certain death.

WHERES MY REMAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Proper 4 game would be better
>Red ending are canon
>Normandy lost somewhere beyond the Sol Relay
>Relays damaged, but not destroyed and start returning to functionality
>but setting completely washed out and relays connected differently so galactic communication are complete mess
>re-explore the galaxy and restablish Citadel's connection with other systems

What would be the new threat? A game without a good villain/threat cannot have a good story. Mass Effect nailed this, most of the developers left. The best I can see them do is a remake

>What would be the new threat?
Leviathans
With knowledge about current races Leviathans are the perfect villains since their indoctrination abilites can make shitton of interesting proxies