Perfection

>11/12
Fox, Marth, Falco, Puff, Peach, Falcon
What the fuck bros??!

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>numbers
SFV gets more viewers than a lot of fighting games that it's worse than. Not really a measure on the quality of the gameplay. No offense, you really suck at this. There are tons of shit you can complain about Melee but you keep outing yourself as not knowing anything about these games.

Fox, Marth, Puff, Falco, Shiek, Peach, IC's, Falcon, Pikachu, Yoshi, Samus, Doctor Mario, Donkey Kong.

>NOOOOO YOU CAN USE VIEWCOUNT WHEN IT DOESNT SUPPORT MY ARGUMENT
You faggots do it all the time

>inb4 muh supermajor wins
Viable means you can perform competitively, so this list is missing Luigi, Mario, the Links and Ganon

I guess there are 18 viable characters then

>70% viability vs 50% from ultimate
Yes!! Melee wins so I dont have to wash my ass this week!!!

I can tell you're twitch tourist because you think shiek is viable in 2020

The game had to be modded so people don't have to play controller gacha

Have you ever heard of Plup?

Thats a problem with nintendo's controller production not the game it just happens melee is the only game with enough freedom of movement to realize how shit the controllers were made.

If Melee were there it would have more viewers just like it does at every major both games are at. You gonna ignore all these? Let me guess, gonna cry about time slot or something?

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liquipedia.net/smash/Plup/Results
?

random but it's true try it yourself: hold x, l, or r while selecting collection in the trophy menu

>Getting mad at the better game for not being for drooling retards
Really just goes to show ultitourists don't belong here.

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You are probably a faggot that would say the same thing about marth in 2015-2018 before Zain got good. Just because the top players that play shiek haven't been peak skill doesn't mean the character isn't viable anymore.

NOOOO STOP MAKING FUN OF COPORATEBROS SAKURAI WORKED REALLY HARD ON THE GAME

Yes.

Deodorant
Use it

You must have entered the wrong URL this isn't twitter.

Kirby became shit since this game. So it's not perfect.

>2020
>still playing melee
Is this the power of ultra autism? Its not even a good game

And thats a good thing, Kirby was never a good franchise and Air Ride is the only good game.

once again
high skill ceiling good
high skill floor bad

You must have forgotten to take a shower, smelee scum
Your glitch game is dying

How original. Never heard that one before.

>every other game gets casualized
>everyone hates it
>smash becomes casualized
>people say to move on
>Ultimate becomes more like Melee
>people praise Sakurai's genius

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>Viewers increasing this year compared to last
>World tour announced
>New generation of players that are placing high and one is even winning tournaments
>matchups being redefined ex. marth vs fox
Keeping coping but Melee will never die.

Project M > Melee
Melee's balance is fucked (PM makes every character Fox/Falco/Marth-tier) and the hitstun is longer, making it more fun and easy to pull custom combos

Yeah we all saw the video

PM's problem was always balance what the fuck are you talking about. Even in the last patch G&W was fucking busted.

Marth has consistently been a top 3 character since the game came out, nice strawman though. Sheik on the other hand has been declining as people get better at the game. She's Falcon but can't approach, can't play neutral, can't recover, get's cc'd etc. Falcon but worse. Don't worry though, she won't go out of fashion for doubles and she'll still have top 100 representation.
Don't be sad it's over, smile because it happened.

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If melee players are so smart, how come they utterly flounder in Ultimate? I mean, the game is so easy, right?

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You have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about KEK. Shiek has absolutely no good players and Plup at summit proves she is still viable with the exception of maybe the Puff matchup Mang0 and Plup have both gone on record to say Falco Shiek is pretty much even and PPMD says shiek wins not to mention many Fox players are beginning to think about picking her up to beat Marth since she has a better match up vs him than Fox does.

Because the game isn't good and you only need to stream it to collect shekels since smash prize pools are always pathetically low. Why invest the time playing a worse game that will be irrelevant in another 2 years?

Leffen won the biggest Ultimate tournament in Europe while tweeting about how garbage the game is. Keep coping.

PM is fun but the frame buffer makes it feel horrible and everyone has insane recovery. SDremix is the true melee competitive experience.

>Leffen had to run away to his ultracold homeland during thanksgiving because the Americans and Latinos mogged him to hard
FTFY
Holy cope, batman

What's there to cope about? You're mad people play the game because they enjoy it instead of for the shit prize pool money? Zero equated playing smash for tournament winnings to working at a fucking McDonald's in 2014.

Fox players like Leffen bitching about the Marth matchup and threatening Shiek is hilarious. I hope they do it so they can all buster out in pools.
>plup
liquipedia.net/smash/Plup/Results

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They don't

Play a real fighting game, smelly smashfags

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Leffen would lose to gluttony 9 times out of 10. Leffen was barely even top 10 in europe

Stop using my cat to shitpost you fucking piece of shit

Seethe harder.

They're different games. Ultimate can have a lower skill ceiling (it's literally designed to be easier) but no Meleefag who just plays the game secondarily is going to be able to beat the top players who invest more time and resources into playing it, learning MUs, fighting each other, etc. Plus every single competitor at the top level of Ultimate was also a top player in 4 since the games are fundamentally similar whether you want to admit it or not.

>You're mad people play the game because they enjoy it instead of for the shit prize pool money?
You're such an arrogant little faggot. You think people play games you don't like are only in it for the money?
>Zero equated playing smash for tournament winnings to working at a fucking McDonald's
That had nothing to do with the actual game and everything to do with his tournament experience.

>You're mad people play the game they enjoy
>"Because the game is isn't good"
This is why we hate you faggots. Ultimate is better than melee and theres nothing you can say that will make me change my mind. You can keep playing you're tired washed up old glitchfest but don't even attempt to try and say its better than ultimate

You're the one who asked why people who don't like Ultimate don't play it competitively. What reason would they do it besides money then?

>Le results
No shit you fucking moron did you even read my post? Plup has been shit since he won genesis but his great performance at Summit proves Shiek can still win. Shiek does great vs Marth, Falco, Falcon, Pikachu, and completely destroys every mid/low tier in the game. Her only real problems are Puff(although this could be said for pretty much every character thats not Fox and Marth) and Fox but even this is extremely winnable if the Shiek is playing well. Stop shit posting about things you know nothing about.

momentum, the thing every single decent platformer in existence does but Smash stopped doing since Brawl
Running and jumping in Ult feels terrible, which is a big deal in a game that emphasizes movement

This is such an arrogant post, it's not even funny. Just admit you aren't the god gamers you like to think you are.
>You're the one who asked why people who don't like Ultimate don't play it competitively.
I literally did not. Nice reading, gaytard.

>claiming to be a Melee fan despite only getting into it because of EVO 2013 or the documentary
Reminder to violently bully anybody who does this

Only autists care about this shit. Melee feels worse to play than ultimate despite this "momentum" removal it feels stiff and heavy.

I just wanna talk about a dumb game I that I played when I was 12 is that so hard

momentum makes ground movement feel incredibly slow and makes air play significantly worse. If it could be re-added without introducing these problems I'd be down.

What the hell do you mean arrogant? Tech skill between 4/Ultimate doesn't translate to Melee or vice versa. They're different games.

>momentum makes ground movement feel incredibly slow and makes air play significantly worse
how

>What the hell do you mean arrogant?
You're just gonna pretend like you didn't say that the only reason melee players don't win Ultimate is because Ultimate players are carried?

When I'm done, Johnson & Johnson is going to smell like a fucking cow pen. I swear when I catch them, the look of terror on their little flab-covered eyes, when they try to run, but their fat legs wont carry them further than the short stampede initiated by my presence
No, I will have no mercy, I will impose the teachings of Mr Clean himself, and may my soul not rest if when I'm done your massive mortal coil knows no cleanliness
Expect me, fear me, rever me, it matters not, I'm coming for you, smelees, and even if you praise the bloated corpse of a videogame, I will embed the meaning of hygiene on your degenerate little world

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When did I say that? What does "carried" even mean?

Thats like 90 percent of the fanbase. Its why the community is so fucking horrible because theyre all secondaries that don't even play the game

> dash
> try to turn without wavedashing or crouching or some shit
> slide for five seconds in an unskippable animation
or alternatively
> try to jump without dashing
> move 0.0002 inches left or right in the air

>Shiek does great vs Marth, Falco, Falcon
Falco has been considered an even matchup of a long time, and Marth and Falcon has both been trending towards even lately.

Even is great in a game where one hit can lead to a kill.

youtube.com/watch?v=YqZ0dsFFGfA

tldw: 8-14 characaters, depending on how optimistic you judge potential

>Thread praising Melee
>76 replies of seethe
based

> dash
> try to turn without wavedashing or crouching or some shit
> slide for five seconds in an unskippable animation
that happens in every smash game and can be skipped by jumping
> try to jump without dashing
> move 0.0002 inches left or right in the air
I dont know why this is a problem when it's just another mobility option on top of dashing before the jump if you want more distance

>smashfags smell like sh-

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>Ultismells and FGCels still seething nearly 20 years later
lmao it never stops being funny. Don't forget to bathe before Frostbite next year alright? Would be a shame if it smelled as bad as it did this year :^)

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>what is dash-dancing
>what is already implemented in Ultimate so why not have the additional option to jump farther anyways?

> this happens in every smash game
not ultimate
turnarounds exist but don't take forever to execute
> it's just another mobility option
getting momentum while in the air feels better

>Roy edgeguarding Pokemon Stadium.jpg

seethe mud bathing homo

>takes forever to execute
jump
>getting momentum while in the air feels better
You're thinking of aerial drift, which is quite weak in Melee(depending on your character of course). Ult still doesn't have actual momentum, which is undeniably shit design for a platformer

> jump
it still EXISTS you fucking retard
> aerial drift
no, I mean air control
when you have no horizontal movement in the air, you should be able to get some movement in the direction you press the fucking joystick
melee HATES letting you do this
Ultimate's total lack of momentum is bad but I prefer it to melee's ridiculously limiting momentum

The dash turnaround is equally an issue in Melee as it is in Ult, which is to say not at all an issue
>when you have no horizontal movement in the air, you should be able to get some movement in the direction you press the fucking joystick
That's what aerial drift is

Does melee have this guy? No? Ok well I guess I'll keep playing ultimate. You guys can keep jerking off to your furbait space animals and pink gumball

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Play Marth without your retarded jumping trick and tell me it "feels fine" you colossal fucking retard.
> that's what aerial drift is
ok then, meleefags call air control aerial drift
weird but ok

>Play Marth without your retarded jumping trick and tell me it "feels fine" you colossal fucking retard.
It's not an obsure trick, it's just how all smash games work
you should be doing the same thing in Ult

>I'm a rosterfag that unironically enjoys playing one of the most braindead characters
fuck I wish they made belmonts cool

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IT'S HAPPENING
twitter.com/EG_PPMD/status/1234241198560337920

Not really I was just watching his stream and he was saying the same shit he has been saying for 5+ years.

>Shiek does great vs Marth, Falco, Falcon
Go back to your rock grandpa

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>All those replies sucking his cock
The smash community is so fucking cringe

>I know nothing about the game and only base my opinions on what the top players are doing currently never taking into account nothing else.
Okay user.

user pls

genuinely never did this and haven't noticed anyone else doing it, but thanks, I guess

all I see is people wanting him to return to competition

>making up a bunch of cope

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Did you seriously never RAR in Ult? Because that's exactly what a RAR is. A dash turnaround just registers you as facing the other way

Maybe I've been doing it but never as a way to turn around, just staying on the ground while I turn has always been fast enough there.

Learn this to be faster:
>dash
>stop dash, go into skid
>cancel skid into opposite direction dash

I would like to be proven wrong, but at best PPMD returning would be the equivalent of current M2k. Could totally take names, but would be so rusty that is likely not able to live up to the expectations. Honestly I just want to see his return already so we can get over the dick-riding of PPMD's potential comeback.

do you think playing 5 years of brawl, tr4sh and tr4.5sh, is more detrimental to your melee gameplay than not playing comp melee at all?

Memes aside PPMD was/is underrated as a player. He was one of the first players to get a grasp on modern melee while everyone else was still jerking each other off about playing cool and not being lame. M2K was ahead of his time too but he only ever set the stage for better players. PP is still easily top 10 and would be top 5 in less than a year. People seem to have forgotten just how good he is.
People did the exact same thing with Chudat too.

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PPMD is definately the most underrated god but I dunno about top 5

I am of the opinion that he is a fraud, will never compete again, and is content scamming his enablers as long as he can. He should stop being a bitch and prove me wrong.

PPMD is/was in no way underrated.

he definately is
zoomers who didnt experienced him are too clueless

I'd never argue that PPMD wasn't amazing, but people think of him as literal Melee Jesus. You could argue he was the best in the world at one point, but it didn't last long and there wasn't a large gap between him and Armada or Mango.

every smash game since has pailed in comparison

Bros I'm going up to GOML this year, do I focus on Melee or Ultimate? I enjoy Melee more but I feel I have a better change of getting further into bracket in Ultimate because it's less intensive and you can't get your whole game fucked by getting a bit nervous and having that ruin your movement in neutral. Don't wanna go 0-2 wanna at last go positive in games desu, nothing crazy.

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Depends on how good you are at melee. Can you see yourself getting out of pools

I want to watch some good melee, post the best sets you can think of
Here's a couple to start things off
youtube.com/watch?v=CID0cwpXPwc
youtube.com/watch?v=whxutrSeC0Y

melee has been such a fucking life saver
i left school with no friends, because i spoke to nobody
i felt completely alone for years
but after getting on anxiety stuff, and starting to go to melee tournaments, i have close, genuine friends for the first time in my life
GOOD ass game too

Considering he's the greatest Falco player to have touched the game, he's underrated. You're confusing it with memeshit surrounding him now, which is why I said "memes aside".

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youtu.be/FtmcnR661Ks

>Considering he's the greatest Falco player to have touched the game
That would be Mango. Like him or not, his Falco achievements are more impressive than PPMD's.

fastest way to surround yourself with the least socially well adjusted people in the melee community is to main a low tier

MAJOR TOP 8 IN 2020 LADS
I CAN FEEL IT

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Hard to say. I'd be seeded dead last or unknown meaning I'd likely have one or two top 100 players in my pool I'd imagine. Could get lucky though. I honestly put my chances of winning against a top 20 Ultimate player better than winning against a top 200 Melee player though just due to the nature of the games. That said I'm planning on going wild on practicing to power up and want to hit up the three different locals in the cities nearby my rural area and I'll probably use those as metrics. If I can't even take #1 at any of those in Melee then it'll show about how well I'd do in pools at a major.

I also play Yoshi so I'm sure there will be a tiny matchup inexperience bonus against a lot of players in pools but I don't wanna count on that to be the deciding factor.

Leffen vs Mango at pretty much any tourney, but I remember Genesis 4 being a GOAT set

PPMD vs Leffen and Armada at Apex 2015

Bizarro Flame vs Eikelmann, Leffen vs Chillin, and also the $1000 Leffen/Mango moneymatch at Apex 2015

Westballz vs Leffen at some Euro tournament I think on of the BEAST ones where they were beefin

aMSa vs Crush and really just any top viewed aMSa sets where he pulls wins out of his ass against top players

m2k vs Leffen at EVO once

I'm a huge Mango fanboy but nah

Rooting for ya dude. I'm hoping aMSa wins a major this year

Ehh.
Not that guy, but PPMD played a "better falco" but Mango plays Falco better, if that makes any sense. PP doesn't get to be on top just because he theoretically has a better play style if he never proves it.

>20 year old game
>still works discord friends into a raging seethe

BASED

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>NOOOO STOP MAKING FUN OF COPORATEBROS SAKURAI WORKED REALLY HARD ON THE GAME

I shit you not, but some kid actually used this argument when i criticized Ultimate gameplay on a youtube video.

nah

isn't high level meta just jigglypuff?

Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik, Puff, Falcon, Yoshi, Pikachu
are all doing well at the top level

>1 Puff in top 20
>6 in top 100
Yeah, it's just Puff.

Why is this nigga ledgecamping?

If there's one big flaw I see in Melee it's that a big chunk of the newcomers are pretty much clones identical to the original. Falco, Dr. Mario, Ganondorf, Roy, Young Link, and Pichu.

but you gotta have good strats against puuf to be number 1 consistently

It hurts my fucking hands, Ultimate doesnt make me feel like a 70 year old man if I play it for longer than an hour at a time

Why is Link considered better than Young Link even though YL is much faster, better at edgeguarding, better at juggling, can walljump, and has the same kill power?

Stop hammering your buttons and stick so hard and mashing in hitstun.

Link has better kill power but both are trash

that's because HBox is one of the best in the world

That's some damn good cover art yeah

yl's kill power is significantly worse
it's harder for him to land grabs due to his smaller hookshot, so that means a harder time converting into dair for kills
link has better range on everything
and having the multihit up-b instead of the kind link has hurts him a lot
link being able to convert throws into grounded up b is massive

we have a p.r. link in my state

I don't play Smash to play fox you faggot. I love Zelda, so I'm gonna main Link.

>I love Zelda, so I'm gonna main Link.

????

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Bruhs, do I play the bird? Everyone says he's not viable.

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YL can combo into dair with items way better (and also rack up damage with projectiles), and YL's down smash is a major kill move that link lacks. Link's up b is super overrated but I can see the grabs being a big deal.

What state and what player, sounds like I've got some VODs to watch

you're an idiot

>play something else with different gameplay
Smash offers something different from other fighting games. When I want to play something more traditional styled, I just wouldn't play smash

>Considering he's the greatest Falco player to have touched the game,
That's mang0 and you are delusional if you think otherwise. mang0 has been the only one to develop his metagame for the past 5 years and the only one to consistently have top results with him. PPMD was literally only #1 in the world for half a year in his entire career meanwhile mang0 has consistently dominated multiple eras of Melee with Falco.

>yoshi
>good

the meta right now isn't looking that great for /ourbird/ but he's still solo viable

The journey of maining Falco will turn you into a real man.

these make sense on a surface level, but they just don't pan out into actually getting better results against sheik/fox/falco/falcon/anyone that isn't floaty. link's up b is critically important. you just need to learn the setups for it.

state's AZ, the player is Thor. they just moved here a few months ago so i have no clue if he has vods from our area yet.

here's a set of his vs kjh.
youtube.com/watch?v=VVs_QAWk6C8

>Ultimate players are carried
They don't. But it's an easier game. This has some benefits, like a bigger playerbase. I really don't know why people likes to pretend otherwise.

>consistently dominated multiple eras of Melee with Falco
(laughs in hbox)

mang0 just won two tournaments a few months ago user.

This to be quite h. PPMD was the best Falco while he was playing, but mang0 has since pushed Falco even further in an even harder meta against harder competition than ever before. Mango has actually said on his stream that his current Falco has adapted measures of PP's Falco, and it shows. His patience now with Falco is wild and his decision making and general ability to make smart neutral choices instead of going full throttle 100% of the time is turning mang0 into the uber-bird. He's pretty much optimized the bird no just technically but is now playing bird decision making tree in a much smarter and PPesque way.

If PP came back today his Falco would get run over by Zain, Axe, aMSa, Leffen, mango, Hbox, and probably Plup and Wizzy for a while at least.

yes but isn't losing, PP's greatest strength? his set analysis and theorycraft is what made him a god imo

>spam board for 20 years
>HAHA PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HATING US FOR 20 YEARS

?????

Well put if you have turned on mang0's stream in the past month or so you constantly see him labing out new punishes and combo extensions for Falco he is truly putting in the work now.
mang0 also has this strength especially in 2013/2014 in fact most of the top players do this, PPMD has this highlighted in his play just because he lives in a area with no other top players but if you watch mang0 or Hbox or Lefeen they are constantly talking about top player habits and what they want to start doing in every situation post big tournaments.

Is pretty sad that the only way melee can have discussion is by bait threads of melee vs the newer smash and this will probably go forever.

combo vid
youtube.com/watch?v=dh2mmgdjoWY&list=LLhUFcfypSs3UjAKftGEVQ4Q&index=58

its Yea Forums in a nutshell. wannabe boomers constantly dickriding old games into the sunset but refuse to acknowledge and support one of the few remaining old games that still have a strong fanbase.

everyone is trying their best to shit on melee and it will only get worse because of how things have been established

Ok. You like you're own smash game and I like my own. We both have casual and competitive gameplay in our communities and esports as well. We also get the same level amount of love from nintendo (none lol) and the red spell check lines continue to mistake my Yea Forums slang and internet lingo for a spelling mistake. Win-Win scenario

mang0 is a has-been, based hungrybox is #1 in the world for a reason bro

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This is just me, imo, but I really don't like ult for one major reason, and it's because brawl got all the new players into the community. With just some tweaks and changes, ult could be the best game in the series, instead the new games have made people okay with settling for lackluster gameplay where more and more things get removed each game. ult literally removed almost everything and it's as basic as water. it doesn't even need to be melee, but smash as a concept has too much potential to just be limited to what it is now for the sake of being overly accessible. When he made 64 and melee, was when he was at his prime, when brawl came around, he just wanted to make a game people could play on their wii remotes.

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I guess I'll wait until smash 6 and see the differences of how ultimate changed from then.

Anyone want to netplay? I'm hosting with Slippi right now 181114f1

I mean the logic here is so bad melee and 64 are still fucking awesome casual games. I still think with more challenges and content melee is arguably still a better casual game than ultimate.

Where you at?

Ballsackurai and his dick riders are stuck in the mentality that having a high skill ceiling means that you're raising the skill floor.

In reality, Melee has a skill floor in the basement for anyone to be able to pick up and play with a skill ceiling in orbit. I played Melee until 2014 never knowing what a wavedash or L cancel were, having fun with friends.

NA EC but I'll play anyone as long as it isn't a slideshow. I'm on ethernet.

mang0 has won more super majors than Hungrybox in the past year.

You can think this but just know you are in the very small minority of people that believe more characters, stages, game modes, custom stages, and more items (some bad some good) somehow make ultimate a less good causal game then melee.

lol bullshit, do you even watch melee kid? Hbox is literally #1 and he's staying there, spacie chuds ain't worth shit

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That's because melee only had like 3 supermajors last year

>one and a half viable characters
>perfection
lmao

List of super majors in the past year and winners
.GOML 2019 - mang0
Smash n Splash 5 - Wizzrobe
Smash Con 2019 - Leffen
The big House 9 - mang0
Genesis 7 - Hungrybox

>18 years
PLAY ANOTHER FUCKIGN GAME GOOD GOD

not my fault it took them 20 years to make a decent smash game again
and they still didnt make movement feel good in a fucking platformer-style game

Still open if anyone wants to play

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>Genesis 7 - Hungrybox
zain

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Yeah sorry my bad got it mixed up with the other genesis.

>Meleefags
>Spamming board
I think you have some misplaced anger. Rosterniggers spam the board.

Those things are nice, but if the gameplay doesn't hold up, what's it really worth? The flash will catch people's attention, but if the skill ceiling is that close to the skill floor, the livability will be pretty limited. I'm already sick of Ultimate's canned combos and matches that revolve almost entirely around playing the neutral. Designing a game like Ultimate arguably is a better move from a financial standpoint, though, since it encourages more people to buy it. Who gives a shit how long they play it if your goal is just selling copies?

this. no other smash game after melee has ever fit the line
>easy to learn hard to master
since melee its always easy to learn not that hard to master

>Mario is easy
>"Yeah if mario is so easy why don't you just beat the world record speedrun for mario then??? Not so easy now huh??"
Also all smash games are easy at a baseline level. They only start getting hard when you actually compete against autists.

i haven't read any of the posts in this thread but i can guarantee they're all retarded

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Fpbp.
Already worked these nintendork cultists into a seethe

BASED

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The gameplay is fine you are literally just autistic, in fact melee feels even worse then ultimate to unassuming casuals considering how stiff and heavy every character but puff is

shit bait

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That's true of almost every videogame on Yea Forums sadly, even popular shit like souls threads are 80% either bait or shitty meme OPs

>this kills the Yea Forumsappa

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What, how? Last I heard nintendo was actively preventing other companies from supporting melee tournaments, where is this money coming from?

who's paying for that?

Hey, if you're hearing those words on a regular basis, perhaps they're trying to tell you something...

Pretty fun game! I really like the Pokemon ball item!! and the Flat Zone stage haha

Their mothers

The winner gets a $250,000 bath

so league is the best game ever? kill yaself

I'm happy to inform you that I have no personal hygiene issues, but thank you for your input

because PPMD wasnt a cuckmonster that decided to play around melee's weakness as an aging, unchangeable, unpatchable, lawyer'd-up mess while also not playing like a mindless aggressive monkey. him, leff, & plup are the true ones.

I will win it, and then sell it.

>meleefags use viewer numbers to Laugh at Ultimate for Genesis
>Ultimatefags return the favour
>"NOOO YOU CANT USE NUMBERS"

We make the rules faggit. Get used to it.

where is the money for this coming from?????

VGBootCamp and probably sponsors

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yes. my game is hard and therefore makes me sweat. cope and go play some casual shit you inbred.

you are so retarded. Stop downplaying Mang0, PPMD was good for like 2 years. He's gone get over it, Mang0 will be the best Falco this game has ever seen.

If it wasnt for the glitches and exploits. How would Melee stack up to the other smash games?

Without wavedashing which is the only major exploit used, it would still be the best by a mile.

Jump momentum alone makes it better than every Smash to follow it.

What glitches? L cancelling and wavedashing aren't glitches, Sakurai knew about them. This game isn't as much of an accident as people want to say it is.

It would be a campfest with puff and peach dominating the meta and all the melee autists would probably circlejerk 64 for the "depth" it has. You can't change autism

does anyone even know what they're talking about when they say "glitches and exploits" or is it just hearsay?
serious question

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Zoomers or false-flaggers

what glitches retard

Are you all on fucking smack or something? Why do you sweat so much?

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I'd take that wager.

I've played a lot of competitive games and Melee is the only one that makes me sweat. It's weird, I think because I've always played team games with little to no technical skill involved. WIth Melee it's just me. But I also play Tekken and it doesn't make me sweat

but are you any good at tekken?

wavedashing is less of an exploit than L-canceling

No, I'm a Nina player who wishes he could play Yoshi

>A mechanic developed and hard coded into the game that was also in the N64 game and even had an official guide on how to do it is an exploit
You are truly retarded user

how the fuck is L canceling an exploit? It's literally an intentional part of the game. it was in 64, it was in the official guide as a tip, sakurai himself said he added it, and why he removed it. What more do you need before you stop talking about things you don't know? Ult players are something else man

nina is way harder than yoshi tho.

do melee haters also hate brood war because of all the weird tricks you can do in it?
7 hours until koreatime

>but people think of him as literal Melee Jesus
You gotta admit. Apex 2015 was some biblical shit

It was cool but looking back most people played like absolute garbage which was probably caused by how the tournament was almost shut down.

PPMDs Marth movement was much more fun to watch than his Falco.

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>melee

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idk maybe
i like brood war and only visit these threads for the autism. i only support meleefags because i hate the rosterfags

>Melee made it through even Ultimate
>getting it's first circuit in 2020, bunch of tournies all over the world
>there's actually quite a few competitors, new challengers and veterans at the top level now, the skill ceiling hasn't even skipped a beat
>a whole year of comfy Yea Forums Melee threads to look forward to

How does this happen? Is there even anything like it in other esports scene? Melee is truly forever.

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what's his endgame?

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This is an old-ass post but fuck it. The Smash community and the "Smash Community" are two completely separate things. Some 16 year old rosterfag who does nothing but hypebeast on twitter is not the same person who's going to locals every week. Only a small amount of fans have a genuine interest in the gameplay on any deep or meaningful level, while the rest is mere corporate bandwagonning. Look at how fucking fast Smash 4 was ditched in favor of Ultimate. It's just Nintendo fans looking for a shiny new toy. They aren't wrong in doing so, they just literally don't have the context or knowledge to understand competitive Smash.

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because melee offers something completely different from ultimate. despite sakurai's poor take, even he agrees the new smash games are nothing like the old ones. people djust say "bro move on" but they don't understand ult, 4, brawl, none of them are like melee and never will be. That's why it lives, because there's not even close to a suitable replacement for it. And the closest to replacements are much smaller things, or other games entirely, like rivals.

Based.

its rosterfags, they are all cancer

“Melee is the sharpest game in the series.” - Sakurai
He recognizes how flashy and technical it is but he hates that there can be such a skill difference between players

Imagine the smell

Hopefully nintendo does come around and drop a load of cash to support this tournament series. Only for ultimate though, you meleefags can stay in your corners practicing shine combos while not showering.

>everyone complaining about how frostbite smelled like shit

when will this meme end

Stinky!

>n-nooo my narrative!

Lol people only think that these Jobbers are good because armada no longer gatekeep them, if he was still playing half of the top 20 would look far worse.

literally only zain and maybe fiction has improved, this summit it confirmed for me nobody of the old foxes or falcos knows what to do, lucky jobs, westballz jobs, ginger jobs, bbb jobs, mikehaze jobs, ice jobs, KJH jobs, the worst is that people hype them the moment they take a set, but then return to do jack shit for all the year.

amsa is starting to get figure out, axe still needs a lucky brackets, n0ne and s2j stil cannot stop choking, plup is hungrybox bitch, seriously when people say new upcoming players I want to see new actually competen talent no the same random ranked top 100 player from 2 or 3 years ago that does something good for 1 or 2 tournament and then dissapears, I am tired of this shit.

>If PP came back today his Falco would get run over by Zain, Axe, aMSa, Leffen, mango, Hbox, and probably Plup and Wizzy for a while at least.
It would not be shocking if ginger had a better falco now then PP

Not to mention the master of being filler in top 8 that is sfat, holy shit what a waste of placement.

>Perfection
>Literally no one wants to play it
>Breaking records low on the tournament it use to attract 400 people+

This is just sad

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Melee is literally trying to stay afloat now that 6 more characters are coming in the next 2 years, trying to Milk Ultimate popularity before it dies off next year

>The game has to be extremely hard and clunky so only two people can do the really hard combo and I can sperg about it on social media

Fighting games gotta be fun too, something Melee is not, Melee gameplay is absolutely shit quiet literally

>t. has never played Melee
There are still many many people to this day playing Melee casually that don't even think about wavedashing etc. It's still a fun game even if you don't tryhard, but it's also extremely rewarding if you do. You can create your own style of play and there's so much to learn

This is literally just soijackposting. Nothing even resembling originality, just one insult with the bare minimum effort required to say you changed the delivery of the “joke”

LMAO PLAY STREET FIGHTER AND NOT YOUR 20 YEAR OLD CHILDREN'S GAMES, SMELLYFAGS

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Sure, I'll play Street Fighter

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Nah, they're too easy and clunky. If i wanted to play something bad, i would be playing Ultimate.

Those are the people that grew with the game, the game is popular with the people that grew with it, because you feel nostalgia towards it just like how someone thinks Mario 64 is better than Oddysea, the reason why the game is slowly dying and failing to obtain new blood too, because you guys cannot accept the fact that people think Melee feels like utter shit to play, my 11 and 14-year-old cousins try the game with me not long ago because they wanted to play the Smash games in order, and funny enough they found more charm in 64 rather than the clunky mess Melee is.

SFV is shit, user. Here's hoping that the next gen has an actually good Street Fighter game.

The worse part is that no one can challenge the fact that Melee is just not fun and a clunky mess of a game in Social Media or you get bombarded by an army of Nostalgia driven Millenials that suck the game dick so hard you may as well think is a Cult, is really disgusting

As much as I played 3, I honestly miss 4 the most

ok zoomer

Melee has all the tech, but none of the smash games feel as good as 64. It's floaty, but has weight, it's slow, but fast. Everything in it works together to make this satisfying experience and really the only smash game where you can properly pingpong people. Shame it never got to really see it's light.

Literally ALL this, the melee community has done this for the past few years now and it's cause they are literally starving for someone to pick up the game and kick their top players asses. Remember names like mafia, crush, syrox, cal, or slox? Where the fuck are they now? I remember when people toured them as the new blood melee needed but literally all of them either don't play or are so washed they probably moved on with their lives. It's ridiculous and the main reason why I can't stand watching melee tournaments nowadays.

>amsa is starting to get figure out

People have been saying this about aMSa since 2014 yet he only gets better and better results by the year.

I am actually a Millenial too, I just don't suck the dick of the N64 and GC era as hard as you guys do, except Metroid Prime, that game is just finest, mainly cuz Nintendo has not release more. But I know for a fact faggot like you will pop out and say Prime 4 has no Soul even though it will probably be the best one in the series because I know my generation really well, you faggots are the most annoying group in existence jizzing over Mario 64 speed runs like is something fun to watch at all, and jerk up to Melee while not playing the game since 2011.

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Donkey Kong has massive untapped potential.

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I say they like it more because of how fucking good it just feels to hit someone in that game, the sound effect, stun and knockback, is magical for children even today, but everything you say also applies

I guarentee if 3rdstrikefags were as insufferable as meleefags they would be hated too.

If 3rd strike fags actually existed, instead of just pretending on the internet for fake OG cred they'd be basically the same

Not to mention that it is a casual view. There are many people in the scene who don't like it but it has the LETS GO JUSTIN moment that casuals thought it was a "god tier fight"

>2020
>still pretending you ever liked Memelee or that anyone ever enjoyed that shit

Its a broken, unbalanced mess nobody can enjoy. We faked to like it a few years ago when smash 4 was announced as a big joke because we thought it would be funny to pretend the worst game was notalgiafagged now, but then actual retards and autists started flocking to it thinking they were fitting in with the crowd and pretended to like it unironically. Thats why you never meme shit like memelee

What's so insufferable about OP's post?Literally the first two replies are the standard seethe that Melee attracts.

I am sorry my dude but Street Fighter players always move to the next game in the series even if they don't like it as much as the predecessor because each one bring something new and different.

Melee players heard new mechanics like *ledge trapping* and those nibbas just zone out and proceed to bitch in Social Media, you guys earned your reputation over the year, owned as the most annoying competitive community in existence besides LoL.

>Street Fighter players always move to the next game in the series even if they don't like it as much
Imagine posting this as if it were a good thing with complete and utter sincerity

melee players heard of mechanics like "RANDOM TRIPPING" and "removal of hitstun" and decided not to play that game

Not liking a game =/= Bad Game

Street Fighter IV was hated at first, but half way in the community started to love the shit out of it, V is entering that state even through VI is around the corner.

user is been 12 years, for how long are you planning to stay stuck in the past? is getting really sad now

Go into any ultimate tourney thread and it's always the melee shitters that start the shitposting. Every. Single. Time. The ultimatefags don't usually shit up the melee threads till Sunday finals.

just explaining that Brawl was so bad it kept Melee alive. and Smash 4 wasn't much better.
It took 12 years for Sakurai to make a decent game again

This whole thread has been ultimate shitposting, what planet are you on rn nigga?

okay but why is that a bad thing?

>Ledgetrapping
>removing one of the most core parts of smash, being edgeguarding, for safely keeping people away from stage without the risk of leaving

Every game literally removes more and gets worse, it's not bringing something different, just something unfun and a mockery of what the original concept was.

>>B-but ultimate ran late!
>Doesn't matter

Uh YES it does matter you fucktard.

Smash 4 was literally becoming the Street Fighter IV of the series till DLC Characters came in and crapped all over the game

>removing one of the most core parts of smash, being edgeguarding, for safely keeping people away from stage without the risk of leaving

The fuck you mean? Ultimate edgeguarding is infinitely better than Melee, hell I say Melee edgeguarding is the worse in the fucking series, WHO THE FUCK in their right minds defends shit like Edgehogging, probably the worse mechanic to ever exist in any Smash game, is anti competitive, boring as fuck, easy to perform, and worse of all MAKES HALF THE CAST IN MELEE TRASH.

Literally one of the fucking reasons half the Melee cast is not viable is because of shit like Edgehogging, the state of Melee mentals, jesus.

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Sounds like you got edgeguarded for real for once in melee and pissed your pants, maybe shit them too

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Why are zoomers so retarded? I can't imagine unironically thinking "every character recovers for free unless you maybe '2-frame' them" the game is in any way more competitive than Melee's edgegame. The games aren't even comparable, Sakurai himself has talked about how Melee is the most technical and sharp in the series. You're playing a purposefully dumbed down game

street fighter 4 was a bit before my time so i have no idea what you mean by this
Smash 4 was my first competitive game, and that's why I got into Melee. 4 was still a floaty mess with a heavily restricted combo game (except for you-know-who) and even weaker edgeguarding then Ult, and Rage was so poorly implemented that it made tons of multihit moves not function correctly and kill at 0

I don't know much about ultimate but I think being on stage vs someone on the edge should give the on-stage player an advantage, like marth vs peach, as opposed to giving the ledge player easily refreshable invincibility that can be used to ledgedash on and throw out an attack while still invincible. Sometimes in melee it feels like the player on the ledge has the advantage.

>game where everyone recovers forever and everyone only launches up and away
>good edgeguarding

Yes, and ledgehogging is a good thing, it was in 64 and brawl too. and so getting back to stage wasn't just a free ticket back. And most recoveries can overshoot ledge when properly spaced AND have a hitbox on them to knock people off the ledge.

You zoomers are far too used to how easy things are now.

>people who don't even play competitively complaining about muh viability
Should try playing Melee online, it's a lot more varied than competitive trash

Nah son, I just ask myself how you guys can call Melee edgeguarding good at all when the characters are not even taylor to do anything interesting outside of the stadium nesides back air and March spike, when Ultimate has characters like ZSS doing shit like this, time stamped by the way:

youtu.be/DkZt_ajvFeM?t=601

How you can say Melee is edgeguarding is even interesting? Fox going for the 100th time slightly out to do a back air while in Ultimate you see fucking characters goin DEEP as fuck doing cool shit like Marrs did in the Video, you guys have a toasted mind bro, go out, experience new things.

Like I say I am a Millenial, just not part of the autistic nostalgia club

SFIV Got plenty of hate at first because it introduced a lot of weird shit like Focus attacks, nerfed parring, and overall streamlined the game, the hate was more of an eliestist upkeep, but once the pros even admited the game was mad fun to play the game started to get a fuck ton of love, the game was always good, but is this elietist actitud that made so many people follow the mob of pro players shitting the game till most people woke up.

offstage is smash's version of what the wall is in a normal fighting game. why would you ever remove the fear factor of being offstage and the value of it. you go offstage to intercept people, and risk losing stage control or dying yourself. It's not as black and white as the person who is offstage will never come back.

On the ledge, sure. The invincibility that can carry over off the ledge is capable of giving the player coming off of it a free way back on the ground.
Offstage is where you're really in trouble. Recovery is tough against a competent opponent, so you had to use tricks to stall yourself slightly to throw them off, or recover to somewhere other than the ledge.
In Ult though, you just go to ledge because it's almost untouchable thanks to absurdly long recovery distances and magnet hands. So the player on stage just waits for them to come back and takes a guess at the ledge getup option, which is significantly less fun to do

>I suck at actually doing decent edguarding, I need the game to make all characters feel like shit and have horrible recovery so I can feel powerful when edguarding.

Watch any pro in Ultimate, you never come back from the edge, you are just bad dude, Melee also had 20 years to perfect its Edguarding, and that is with the help of shitty ass mechanics like Edgehogging, the Pussy mechanic you guys defend and invalidates half the cast

The thing is, SF4 worked properly. and had things that Third Strike didn't. Smash 4's core gameplay is still strictly more shallow than Melee since it just doesn't have as many options available for movement and combos and offered almost nothing of value over Melee, on top of Rage not functioning properly as a comeback mechanic and just in general making the game worse

Who does ledgehogging invalidate? Sheik? Just land on a platform or the stage.

user you do know 2 things right?

A: that could've been a complete accident, flip kick automatically meteors people even if you don't input the kick lol. He could've just been trying to recover and leo rose too fast.

B: that's not impressive, because of the fact that it's literally an auto footstool when it connects, he touched him once and he vanished with a move that autogimps, how is that any more impressive than fox bair or shine?

Sounds like you're bad user. ult literally lets you recover forever unless you;re playing a character who has a dogshit recovery. I think the real "pussy mechanic" is the game that is babying you and letting you come back as much as you want so you don't get your feelings hurt by someone keeping you from coming back to the stage. And why do you keep saying it invalidates half of the cast? Like who? Who does ledgehogging invalidate in 64/melee/ and brawl? because if that were the case, I think no one would have played those games. Brawl meta knight having a superb recovery didn't stop him from getting ledgehogged or not being able to ledgehog everyone, so who is it invalidating user?

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every single character with a recovery that does not have a decent hit box, the only character that has probably survive the Ledgehogging mechanic is Captain Falcon regardless of his horrible recovery, if he did not have that issue he would be SS tier for sure, but because all the other top tiers can abuse edge hogging on him he gets fucked hard.

There Theories that Mario could be really fucking good but again Edgehugging fucks him up too, all characters get affected by that mechanic, is literally free stocks if your recovery is not up to par. Sheik Recovery is decent by the way, guessing you forgot how it works.

Mario sucks because Sheik, Marth, and Puff can prevent him from playing the game. His recovery is mediocre, but he can stall with the cape and is covered by a hitbox
I have also never once heard of anyone theorizing mario to be really fucking good

Man you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Typical delusional meleetard. I can't believe you just "UH THAT ULT EDGEGAURDED WASNT INTENTIONAL IT WAS AN ACCIDENT!" like do you sit and watch leffens stream all day and think he speaks gospel?

I didn't say that, I said it's possible for it to have been an accident. Flip kick has two states. the standard jump which is an automatic footstool when it lands, and the kick which is a hitbox that also has a meteor on it. Rewatch the clip and maybe use your brain. Flip kick is zss' second recovery option. and in the clip, you literally can not tell the different between marss trying to use flip kick to recover or to hit leo, since he did the same thing he would've had to do to achieve either.

I think you should try to read a little better.

>Meleefags trying to downplay Marss read

1.First of all, the Flip kick can be manipulated by pressing a direction, giving the angle was tight Marss was going for it on purpose.

2.Flip Kick auto spike only works at the end of the ability use, you need to trigger it if you want it to go off earlier, meaning he input the spike.

Why are you talking about this when is clear as water you know shit about the character? ZSS is probably the hardest character to manipulate in the air, is not ez shit like Melee puff.

Also is incredible that you don't know about early Melee character viability or mechanics that hold back characters like Mario, and Luigi, this only tells me you know shit about any of the Smash Games.

doesn't your whole argument fall apart when Falco, one of the best characters in the game, also has a shit recovery that's easy to edgeguard?

reading through the thread now.
seems like i was right

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>NNOOOOOOOOOO NOT THE EDGEGUARDAROONI, ANYTHING BUT THE EDGEHOGARINO, YOU CAN'T JUST STUFF MY RECOVERY, IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR

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The most anti hype shit ever, seriously how the fuck can people like when this happens? It looks like a fucking bug

melee edgeguarding is way more interesting because characters have fewer/less powerful resources, so they need to preserve multiple options and read which one their opponent is going to cover
Edgeguarding isn't just about jumping off the stage like a retard and gimping someone before they can get near edge. Doing this needs to be dangerous and difficult because if it isn't, offstage game isn't interactive. So instead of "covering multiple options" as melee players often do, in 4 the strategy often devolves into "hit them ASAP or else they get ledge". AKA, the gimp them or they recover meta
See this:
youtube.com/watch?v=gDBVl5aIcrg
Is there any recovery nearly as interactive in smash 4?

>Sheik Niddles invalidates Mario bro forget it
>Marth grab and sword range invalidates him forget it man
>Puff is puff man just forget it

Mario has some of the best frame data in the game, a lot of people have theorized his viability in competitive Melee, but it all always come down to the same crap that push Capt Falcon down too, recovery, Edgehogging, the mechanic is so menacing people literally evade characters and never give it a fair try because of it, Mario also has decent mobility, in Smashboards when it was popular Mario, Luigi, even Mewtwo were popular, hell that how Pikachu escaped the bad reputation it had in the past.

no but it falls apart when some of the best recoveries in the game have shitty hitboxes (pika, m2)
it's like he doesn't know you don't have to go to the ledge

Flip kick has two directions and slightly different distances. The footstool portion is is active almost the whole time during the second portion. I have played ZSS since brawl I don't think you know what you're talking about, and if anything, have a very hard time playing ultimate, the easiest game in the series, if you genuinely think any part of ZSS is hard.

I'm not convinced that anyone in this thread actually plays Melee or Ultimate.

DK OR YOSHI WILL WIN THE NEXT SUPER MAJOR FOR MELEE.

I HAVE HOPE!

>He grabbed the edge guys SO HYPE

I honestly don't know how Meleetards eat this shit

You literally get bonus points for doing it.

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Because it's fun to watch people actually take risks and get punished for their mistakes, and it's fun to play that kind of game where that risk is envolved. not everyone wants to watch retard tier shit like ultimate where I can watch people come back forever mistake after mistake because the game was made to be accessible enough that a unbirthed child could master it

It's Sheik's range, priority, and ability to combo the ever-living shit out of Mario that makes that matchup hell. I think she can also chaingrab him
What you wrote about Marth is actually correct.
and yeah, puff is puff

These threads always give me a reminder on how shit the average Yea Forums poster is at video games.

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There a reason why Sakurai hates Melee, I would not be surprised if it was because of edge hogging

yes, which is why he put it in brawl as well?

>Back air
>Fthrow (foxes weakest throw)
>Marth is barely a character length away from the stage
>Back air again
>Grab ledge
>Marth dies
lol

>Grabbing the edge
>Risky

lmao nigga what, going out of the Stadium is what is risky, not this gay ass grabbing the edge, is so fucking retarded and anti moral, Melee rewards staying inside your gay ass Stadium and just go out for the obvious back air on the edge or grabbing the edge, in Ultimate I can see people go out and see crazy shit them see them come back like badasses after performing something that is actually risky and could cost them neutral.

someone post a sick edgeguard compilation video or something

what character would you say has the coolest edgeguards? young link, perhaps?

I didn't say edgehogging was risky, the game in general was risky and full of hard punishes. the risk is being offstage. and even edgehogging does have some risks. if you mistime your grab you risk getting hit by an attack that can cost you your stock, it can also lead to you giving up stage control. You can't contest this because ult still has magnet hands and everything still snaps to the ledge like shit on the wall. Why do you think "ledge trapping" and "2 framing" exists? It is quite literally the motivator to people not going offstage. . recovery is free as shit in ult and you're a braindead retard if you think otherwise.

>mango predicts m2k's fair so he doesn't jump into him
>gets the grab, puts him offstage with a jump and side b
>he pivots and short-hops to ledge immediately, preparing to cover a low recovery
>m2k burns his jump trying to go high, hits nothing with his nair so mango hits him with his bair
>m2k is still near ledge, so mango can't grab right away or he gets fair'd
>if he grabs literally any earlier than he did m2k up-bs to stage instead of sweetspotting ledge, potentially hitting mango offstage and literally killing him for this
>if he grabs any later m2k gets ledge first and he still dies
>however, his timing is perfect, he gets invuln in time to block marth's upb hitbox and steal ledge, successfully punishing his low recovery
So yeah, a series of intelligent reads and good timing allowed Mango to punish m2k's poor stage control, but it could've easily gone the other way if he wasn't careful.
Hopefully now you understand anything about the game

N-NOOO! DELETE THIS! STINKY DAY!

You heavily and I mean HEAVILY overinflate this interaction. Grabbing the fucking ledge is not a hard thing to do.

ironic shitposting is still shitposting

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okay so why don't you play some melee or 64 or even brawl, and showcase yourself demolishing people by only grabbing the ledge?

Bro what more do I have to say? He didn't "just grab the ledge", that's the depth of gay smUsh offstage game. You have no idea what you are even watching when you watch melee, you've never been good at the game so even as a spectator you never understood the economy of movement, position, jumps and recoveries that pro players carefully manage with every input.
So yeah I bet it does look boring to you, it looks like two cartoon characters dancing around when one of them dies for no reason. The fancy lightning effects and zooms that entertain you when someone gets hit really hard aren't there so you don't understand why other people are excited. All that matters to you is watching character A jump around and hit character B really hard. But these things are not what makes a kill fascinating to a melee fan.

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Nah, the mu isn't that bad (Sheik/Mario)
Mario actually has a shitton of things he can do, probably the least invalidated mid tier in that mu. Fun fact, Mario actually chaingrabs Sheik super fucking hard in that mu, way less of the other way around.
t. guy who went Mario before switching to Sheik

Based and meleepilled

Absolutely based, underage faggots will never recover.

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Why are rushed Nintendo games so good? Melee, Majora's Mask, Sunshine, Windwaker...

Miyamoto and Sakurai in melee's case didn't have time to fuck them up with their supervising bullshit.

I literally can't chalk it up to anything but luck. I can't think of many other reasons games like Dark Souls, Melee, Wind Waker, Majora's Mask, and WoW were all clearly rushed and yet were still all so incredible. Maybe they just had an amazing foundation and the lack of polish doesn't really take that much away. Who knows.

>producers and director didn't know what was going on

Retard

I did play melee and when I did I played puff, I cant tell you how many fucking times I would just backair wall someone off stage grab the ledge and they died. Legit robbery but I was happy to do it considering so many of you faggots hate that character
>He's this upset his favorite game is being criticized
Holy shit I'm laughing irl

Melee isn't my favorite game, my reaction speeds are slow so I mainly enjoy watching. My favorite games atm are Dominions 5: Warriors of the Faith and Sonic Robo Blast 2 Kart thanks for asking

sunshine has terrible camera, and wind waker was underwhelming, major a mask was good but short, melee is the only one that aged good, get off of the nostalgia kool aid.

>they're still responding to him

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Based, dab on these 16 year olds OP

>I cant tell you how many fucking times I would just backair wall someone off stage grab the ledge and they died
Goddamn it's so funny seeing ultcucks pretend they play melee. That never happened you fucking braindead shitposter.

>better in every way in your way

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there isnt a single ultimate based player who can make it to top 100 in melee rankings

Embarrassing post and image

> try to turn without wavedashing or crouching or some shit
then...just crouch? and do it? are you saying it's too difficult to press down before changing direction? is that why melee is garbage? because you, as a player, do not, or i say cannot press down on a stick?

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>Ultimate thread
>getting assmad at melee
>Melee thread
>getting assmad at melee
is it so hard to just play a videogame damn

the timing is critical though, if he grabbed the ledge too early m2k would up-b onto the stage, not ideal since he could punish it but marth isnt at death percent. if he tries too late he could get hit by the up-b or have to recover putting him in a bad spot as m2k could edge guard him instead.

Depends. If they focused on it, maybe. I think Nairo is decent or something and plays Falco. Those Smash masters things they have at Smash Con show that at least ESAM is decent at Melee.

The thing with those contests is though that they feature basically three versions of Brawl for the competition so it heavily favours Brawl players and M2K.

ESAM has been playing melee for decades tho

Yeah but he's still an "Ultimate based player". He just plays Melee on the side like Wizzy or Leffen play Ultimate on the side. Even ZeRo was once top 50 in Melee and considers himself a Melee player not Brawl, 4, or Ult. He was also a top player in PM.

Whenever you respond to a melee thread on Yea Forums unironically you have been baited
This board is too low iq to discuss the game properly

>the same 15 people
>the same one billion 0-2 jobbers who want their autographs
Eat shit, you smelly subhumans

Terrible shitpost

20 years cuck. Stay forever seething.

>sm4.5sh baby
>can't read
Name a more iconic duo

user, you're not a kid anymore
It's time to grow up

Fuck off you hygiene deficient ape.

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