I’m so excited for the future of Monolith Soft

Why are you replying to me?

>hurr durr anyone that calls me out for being a filthy fake piece of shit coomer is mentally ill
Neck yourself.

Calm down tranny-kun.

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See
Nobody wants your coomer weeb trash tainting this series any further. Fuck off to your containments or kill yourself.

Alright, a thread where we can talk Xeno games discuss the future of Monoli-
>tranny shit
Fuck man, it's Monday.

Yeah you were totally going to get that from a thread starting with an anime coomer image. I love how trannies live rent free in your head for no reason.

Xeno games always had cuties and the devs were not afraid to flaunt that while still having a compelling story and themes..

Turns out that Pandoria (and by extension Zeke) does has a dedicate artist after alll.

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what happened to this kid? lol

Keep coping, any self respecting member of society can tell this shit is way more embarrassing and pandering looking than previous games. None of you who shill this trash game care about story or themes, only weebshit MOMMY MILKIES WAIFUS. Stop pretending you care about the series as a whole or that you were a fan of it before your trash game.

I'd be more embarrassed if I chopped my dick off.

Well get to posting then boyo. I need Pandy and Zeke goodness.

I hope we get a port of X. Would be nice, but I can live without it since it emulates pretty nicely.

I'm even more excited to play XBC:DE because I've never played the original (only have beaten X and 2.) So I'm over the moon. I just hope it doesn't take 4 years to get the next Xeno project.

I only played Xc2 but it was fucking awesome

cute

I'd rather have a sequel to X but with Elma as the protagonist or at least somebody who can talk. The Story is the only thing keeping me from replaying it, that and the 400 hours I already put into it.

Can't dump right now but i will post the source
>twitter.com/milky_tossy/media

>I just hope it doesn't take 4 years to get the next Xeno project.
Probably not a very popular opinion, but I wouldn't mind if they just held the fanbase over with remasters of 1 and X made by a side team, giving Division 1 all the time they need to make the next game true to their vision.

They got 3 studios now, one to assist Nintendo with their projects, (something I imagine a lot of young devs would love to be a part of), the other two for making Mono games. Chances are we'll be seeing new non Xeno works in the next few years.

The X engine is so good I hoped that they would apply it to Pokemon. Dragon Quest seems like they already have a good handle on the direction their going but yeah it's fun to imagine.

Can't wait for the reasonable fans drawn in by XC DE to gatekeep against your cringey weeb simp asses.

As long as it doesn't use that gross Toriyama art, sure

They should just make a dating sim already.

Die

I want to marry and impregnate Pyra and Mythra.

"Coomer weeb trash" has been part of the overall direction since Xenogears, fake fan.

>stop liking what i don't like!
ahahah like a fuckin kid
but you're prob 30+

Why don’t you go cry on /qa/ again little guy?

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You first

I wish I owned a Switch

No it fucking hasn't you pathetic neckbeard cunt. One game has characters that can be respected, the other has blow up dolls for fat fuck otaku to touch themselves to.

>nooo stop criticizing me for eating shit and pushing cancer in a previously top-tier series
Stop pretending you are fans of the series when you just make posts like
Along with your shitty porn picture posts.

I have never been on /qa/. Good to see other people are onto you pathetic fucks though. You are a menace on every site and have ruined the Xenoblade fanbase.

Why are you so angry?

Admittedly haven't touched Saga but I've played every Blade, even the dumpster fire that was X. 2 is still the best overall.

>tfw w101 gets a port before XCX
I'm fucking waiting monolith

Why does Riki look like he's about to bash Tatsu's head in?

XB3 should be incredible whenever it does happen. Monolith has been managing its employees right, so we shouldn't get another BotW situation again. That, and their engine is improving more and more as the years go by. All we need is stronger hardware, really.

I liked Xenogears and Xenosaga will I like Xenoblade2?

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>not wanting trash weebs into your fanbase is being angry
>not wanting trash weebs to pretend they are longtime fans is being angry
>not wanting trash weebs to pretend they know what's good for the series is being angry
Ok coomer

>I've played every Blade, even the dumpster fire that was X. 2 is still the best overall.
How do you live with yourself knowing your taste is this shit? 1 and X shit all over 2. Generic anime waifus don't make a game better, in fact they make it actively worse.

No. XC2 is everything wrong with anime and JRPGs pushed to the extreme.

Just emulate bro

Literally laughing out loud atm
>Not being a based Takahashichad
I pity all of you

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They apparently want to remake it
Why is it unlikely? Because Bamco owns the IP? That doesn't really mean a lot on its own.

>No. XC2 is everything wrong with anime and JRPGs pushed to the extreme.
So it is really fun then gotcha

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Not him, but I can explain without sounding like a whiny, obsessed, sperge. When people complain about XC2 and the "anime" arguments, they usually mean how it's cliches are overblown compared to the rest of the series. Xeno has always had anime inspiration, and lighthearted moments, but compared to them, XC2 honestly goes overboard with these elements.

It doesn't help that there's so much focus put on designs like Pyra's, which is honestly bad. There's no problem with sex appeal or whatever, but the designs themselves look awful for the most part. Saito really fucked up when designing the actual character outfits. Basically if the designs were improved, and the cliche's were toned down, it would have been better.

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But I like anime cliches

Cringe

>hurr durr you're just mad
>yet again
Stop posting if you have nothing to add.

Understatement of the century.

Shit-taste

>disputing facts

You people are really autistic, can't you just enjoy things?

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I enjoy all of the Xeno franchise. I'm just moving through chapter 9, now.

How should I build Nia?

>If you don't enjoy what I enjoy, you're an autist who has no fun
Not a very insightful comment, user. I enjoy plenty, I just disliked a lot of what XC2 did.

Nia is honestly the worst Driver. That being said, I use Fiora, Dahlia, Crosette, and sadly you can't replace Dromarch. I made her more offensive.

>can't you just enjoy garbage??
Having standards must be a foreign concept to you, coomer.

>it's cliches are overblown compared to the rest of the series
glad to see you've never played them
>designs like Pyra's, which is honestly bad
that's why she has shit tons of fan art while XB1 has none? imagine thinking pic related is a good design with all the belts on his pants

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XC2 is a little too cliched for my liking too, so I hope XC3 tones it down a lot. If Torna is anything to go by, we should be fine. Something more melancholy.

I liked throwing 2 healers (1 bitball or twin rings, 1 knuckles) and a greataxe on her, gives her an OK mixed attack/healing set and also access to break/topple/launch. I only used it when I was playing as her, though, when she's a NPC it's better to just throw on three healers so her AI doesn't end up on the axe when I need healing.

Oh I have, and I assure you they weren't the same. XC2 was quite literally made with being more lighthearted in mind. If that's your thing, that's cool, but the prior games in the series took themselves more serious. I don't know what XC1 has to do with what I was saying, but I don't have anything to say.

Standards as compared to what? The other Xenoblade games? The Xeno series? The overarching plot was weaker than 1, though still trumps X, gameplay is easier to deal with but also feels a lot better, which has me pretty hopefully for DE, the underlying themes of 2 were actually somewhat subtle and decently implented for once, showing some actual growth on Takahashi's part?

I really can't imagine why you'd have such autistic vitriol hatred against 2 considering how similar it is to 1 besides the sight of anime balloon titties offending you, It's not like any of these games are high literature or overly deep gameplay wise.

Xenoblade 2 is one of the worst RPG I played in fucking decades. Huge letdown after XBC1 and XBCX

melodrama is an anime cliche, it being more lighthearted doesn't mean it's more cliche

This is the kind of subhuman simp that XC2 attracts. But apparently I'm just angry for no reason.

I noticed so much more on my second playthrough of XC2 when I paid more attention to the cutscenes. I think a lot of the sublety was lost on people.

It's nothing like 1 apart from being linear and story focused, your post is a load of nothing.

Based

>Randomly mentions XC1
Insecurity? I think we all know that it didn't have a proper character designer, that's been made apparent. The models suffered as a result, and so did the artwork, more than likely. Not really an issue anymore though as of XC1D, so this was pretty pointless. Pyra having a lot of artwork doesn't really mean much, though. Even the most generic Persona girls have thousands of pieces of artwork.

>That being said, I use Fiora, Dahlia, Crosette, and sadly you can't replace Dromarch.
Sounds like a good setup. I thought you could replace story blades in NG+ though? At the very least, you can work around it by assigning Dromarch to master driver Rex (if you're at that point in the story), which removes him from Nia.

Stop replying to trolls, post more Pyra.

Since we're on the topic of Xeno, I still wish they had gone through with a XS HD, oh well.

I think a lot of the sublety was lost on people.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How about you explain why you found the cliches interesting, or how they weren't inflated compared to other games in the series

>Insecurity?
did you miss the "compared to the rest of the series" in his post?

youtube.com/watch?v=m5pFo5hHMzw

i think it'd be easier if you explained what you found more cliche and i'll respond, since you're the one posing the complaints

XB1 has less fanart because the style is harder to ape

He particularly singled out XC1 out of nowhere, and the topic wasn't even about character design. Did you read?

I bet you thought Zeke was just le funny joke gag man, right? Also you forgot your greentext, fag.

Fuck off with your soft core coomer bait game.

XC2 cucks literally cannot accept any criticism. Yikes, so this is the power of weebs.

Please post 5 games you think are good.

>No you
Of course.
What are we supposed to take from this? Xenosaga 2 in its entirety is a mess, and it largely didn't involve the director

This. Thank fuck Yea Forums is not lost.

>Monolith working with SE
Never gonna happen. Platinum working with Capcom has more chance of happening than that shit.

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stop being a semantic little faggot. he compared xc2 in the first part of his post, and then went on to say the character design was bad. it's not a stretch to think the character design was also being compared to 1's.

>Hating transexuals doesn't make you look cool
Yeah I know, its a pretty human thing to do actually

I can't, only one good video game exists.

>Monolith working with SE
>Never gonna happen
SE was literally in the credits for XB2 you retard.

at least Xenoblade 2 is a real Xeno game
XC1 isn't though, its development title was Monado: Beginning of the World

Xeno is a series about ridiculous designs and anime cliches. If you don't like it then try playing final fantasy or something.

Definitely give the rest of the series a try whenever you can, all three games are amazing.

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You bring up something important, actually. A lot of people seemingly think Xenoblade has worse writing, or Takahashi's skills as a writer have declined, but he's honestly improved. His writing as a whole is more subtle, and nuanced compared to earlier titles which really piled on a lot of dialogue, and symbolism. A lot of people miss this though, since they focus on the surface.

I can't even count how many people thought Amalthus was just a gay priest with mommy issues.

COPE

>how about i explain why i didn't find the game more cliche than 1
how about you explain since you started with the positive claim, retard.

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nice argument fake Xeno fan

Technically Xeno- was only part 1 and 2 of Perfect Works

No of course, he uses humor to hide is deep and dark spleen. Never seen that before.

You lost me with all your senseless sperging. Considering the fact that you're so defensive about it, you might just be the same person. Have a nice day, though.

>so basically if these things that have nothing to do with gameplay were changed it would've been a better game.

Uh... No?

ok "mature" gamer

>You lost me
so you're an idiot. and yes, i'm obviously the same person, great sleuthing.

The story is still prevalent to the overall game, so nice try.

do you guys think it still exists and if yes what kind of game do you think it'll be?

Great job, you have the most surface level understanding of the character!

No, you're just going in circles with non arguments, and getting overly defensive about nothing, so I have nothing more to say.

let's try this again, forgot the pic like the sperg that I am

do you guys think it still exists and if yes what kind of game do you think it'll be?

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Tell me what's so profound about Xeno 1 "story and themes" and isn't about 2?

>Originally
And what is it referred to now? Xenoblade. This "Monado" thing to downplay XC1 is so retarded. Even then, XC1D invalidates the shit out of these comments entirely, so it's pointless overall.

>I have nothing more to say.
Then stop posting.

Wasnt the entire point of xc2 to be light hearted and to remind people of anime from the director's youth?

Is X a spin off?

>going in circles with non arguments
easy way to deflect everything without a proper argument, right? i was explaining why i brought up the character design in my post, what's so hard to understand for you?
>overly defensive about nothing
might not be the place for you if no no language offends you
>so I have nothing more to say.
i could tell

I think it still exists, and that it's a fantasy action game of some sort. I can't imagine that Monolith really hasn't been working on anything at all outside of Xenoblade and Zelda.

Literally the only thing 2 is worse than 1 and X are the character models. Everything else is superior to a hilarious extreme. You really outed yourself as a vapid, shallow-minded weaboo. I bet you have a monado figurine next to your shulk body pillow.

making a sequel to a wii-u game is a stupid idea. It didn't have enough momentum, and unlike XC2 it will inevitably tie into the first game deeply. I think the original is mandatory.

It's still on their recruitment page, so yeah. People thought it was the new Zelda, but that has a seperate recruitment page. Assuming they started working on it in 2017 as when it was mentioned, it'll have been 3 years now. It should get announced this year, and released in 2021 in that case. Their development schedules are usually 3 to 4 years.

I'm not even the same person you were arguing with, I'm just fucking with you to kill time, Ryan. Keep coping though, buddy.
No.

>muh character models
The game has one flaw? It's garbage and a embarrassment of the medium.

>ITT
>I like XC2!!!!
I dont like XC2!!!!!
Guess what guys, I don't give a fuck what you like or don't like. :)

>This thing is better than this thing!"
So no argument? Cool dude

You disliked the character models. If you had any taste you would realize the gameplay in 2 makes Xeno 1 look like utter garbage in comparison.

schizo alert

Why do people get so offended, or defensive about this game? Jesus Christ the whining is hilarious. It's been 2 years now.

>hurr durr melancholy
Anime writers can't write that shit. They are best when they are doing cheerful friendly stories like the first half of XC2. When they get serious like in 1 it ends up a hilarious disaster. You people really need to start reading books.

In my dreams its a fantasy strategy game that goes with a baten keitos-esque fully watercolor artstyle.

Idk, as someone on the outside looking in it really seems like XC1 loyalist cannot imagine people enjoying XC2 lol. But this is one thread, so I can't state that as fact.

2's combat is fundamentally the same. It just makes the Chain Attack easier to abuse, and goes beyond toppling, or dazing the enemy. That in itself is easy to abuse though, since you can perform an entire Driver Combo with a single character. XC2's combat is better, but not to a large degree. They need to make that the main focus of improvement for the future titles.

>No you
You're literally the one who started it you fucking retard. If you can't explain why XC2 is cliche, don't expect someone to defend it.

Didn't they say they were working on a new IP, or do I misremember that?
>It's still on their recruitment page
Could be just a recruitment add

In my experience, the people who complain about XC2 did not finish the game.

Barely anyone had mentioned XC1. This fanbase war is retarded to me

Neds to ditch the Switch and come to a proper console. 2 was the ugliest game ive ever seen

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just google images of a potato

>the smartest post in this thread has no replies
Classic Yea Forums.

>Smartest post
>Dude let's spam Pyra
Nah

FFXII already did the 'awkward glossy attempt at lowres face' thing and they probably did it better.

There is no criticism except "some character designs bad" which everyone agrees with. You people just can't cope with the fact that 2 is the best in the series regardless of designs.

I was referring to not replying to trolls.

FUCK ALL OF YOU ARGUING. I DON'T CARE IF YOU HATE THE GAMES OR LOVE THEM, CONSUME THEM MORE SO IN TURN, WE GET MORE. I WILL ENJOY THEM WHILE YOU CAN BITCH ON IMAGEBOARDS.

WIN-WIN

Yes, but weebs really took that monando shonen storyline from 1 seriously because one character almost died in it.

based consoomer chad

XC2 is good at a lot of shit, but it's also got a lot of really shit qualities that people seem to deny because they think people are shitposters or whatever

based

Hell yea bro. I got XBC2 when I first bought a switch last year and I enjoyed it a ton. Really looking forward to playing XBC:DE when it comes out as well.

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A lot of people died in 1, what are you talking about?

The people who complain about XC2 hated it from the very first time they saw a female character in an XC2 trailer. Then they still bought the game for some reason, proceeded to seethe throughout, didn't pay any attention to the mechanics and gameplay and then went to Yea Forums to make sweeping generalizations.

when is XC2 going to be fully emulatable like Mario Odyssey?

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Damn, that's deep. Shed a tear, I did.

>Weebs
>But other times XC1 was made with the western audience in mind
>Muh Monado Breath of the Wild isn't real Xeno because it wasn't originally named that
Why are you guys so mad at XC1 lol, the irony here is that you claim people do the same shit to XC2, but it's okay in reverse, right?

As far as we know, yes. It's possible it'll be connected to the mainline games since the existence of a multiverse/different dimensions is canon now, but for now X is very much its own thing.

Grab yourself a tissue then simp.

Well, obviously you have shit taste for not realizing Xenoblade 1 has the most brilliant storyline of all time that is meant to be taken as seriously as the Bible. What Xenoblade 2 did was... unfathomable. I do not play JRPGs to play some friendly kiddy shite. I'm playing them because I believe the medium is of the utmost narrative quality.

Will we ever get another Xeno game with gameplay? It's been 14 years.

I thought the narrative was that XC2 is a darker game than XC1? Weird how things keep changing, right?

I don't hate XC1, I really like/love it. I just find it hilarious that some weaboos actually think it has some deeply profound story. Like.... have you guys ever consumed anything other than anime?

Gears had worse gameplay any Blade game, so get some air. Saga 3 was amazing, though.

The only anime I've consumed is the Xenoblade series, so not really. I don't even give a fuck about Gears or Saga.

they were because nomura was lent to design the Torna guys you retard

I find nothing more boring than strawmen. At least make them funny so we can laugh.

So capeshit and Xenoblade? A sad existence, I have to remark.

Why does Andrew love arguing with himself?

Some day for sure, but you'll need a powerful PC

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2/5
Please, tell me more about this boogeyman. Who is he and what does he want? Does he prefer 1, X or 2, or none at all?

I'll never understand why people get into over the top anime games and then complain that their remakes, sequels, or the game itself is, well, over the top and anime. It's amazing really, I mean shit look at FF7R, people are complaining that the over the top anime jrpg is still, you guessed it, an over the top anime jrpg. Just like the Xeno games, they're over the top anime jrpgs, and who would have guessed again, Xenoblades are over the top anime jrpgs.

>any self respecting member of society
Tranny's are so fucking delusional. Interacting with them about ANYTHING is such a chore. By your very nature you reject reality, then have the gall to screech at people who have different interests about how pathetic they are. Meanwhile the suicide rates for tranny's who cut their dicks off is over like %90. Stop trying to tell other people what they can and can not like. You are no different then the religious sects trying to FORCE their views on to others.

I am hoping it's because they were kids when they played it back in 2011 or so. Retarded, shit eating kids, but still kids.
If not... then it just means they know of nothing better than anime and capeshit and desperately NEED their silly, cringy games to LOOK like they aren't silly and cringy. Naturally, if you are a balanced human being you will see that it's all the same turd, just a different shade. But damn, do XC1 fans really love eating that one shade of turd and hate the other one.

Down here, salt is a way of life.

To be fair, turning shit like
>sneak in
>fuck up
>kill some guards
>plant bomb and run
into
>GIANT MECH BATTLE!?
is pretty fucking stupid

OH NO NO NO NO

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I can't even argue that it is because they are kids. I was a kid when FF7 and FF8 and Xenogears were released, they were all the same. Yeah things have been changed or retconned over the years with certain specific games, hell even KOS-MOS's design in XC2 is different than XS1, but they're all still the same anime games with different thematics and nuances. Its like to them anime is only 'waifus/girls' and that is it. Everything else is just a tv show, even though that is completely wrong. I mean you could argue there is a bit more fanservice to XC2 compared to XC1 but its really irrelevant and its been a thing since at least XS1.

Everyone knows the best Monlithsoft game is Disaster: Day of Crisis. Everyone else is objectively wrong.

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the world would've been a better place if project rainfall had helped that game come over too. fuck reggie.

You do realize XC1 also had mech battles right, its kind of the point of the Blade Chronicles games. Just like Saga was about Christianity and Android Ladies/Aliens.

>By your very nature you reject reality,
I bet you believe in Objective morals as well user

ITT: XC2fags getting BTFO and outed for the annoying weebs they are

Glorious.

Please explain how XC2 is weeb, but no other Xeno game is, we'll wait.

Weebs are so fucking delusional. Interacting with them about ANYTHING is such a chore. By your very nature you reject reality, then have the gall to screech at people who have different interests about how pathetic they are. Meanwhile the suicide rates for weebs who masturbate to Pyra's tits in their parents basement are over like %90. Stop trying to tell other people what they can and can not criticize. You are no different then the religious sects trying to FORCE their views on to others.

>I bet you believe in Objective morals as well user
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? You have been fed so much bullshit that you just respond with bullshit indoctrination responses. Are you suggesting that morality does not exist? Are there situations where rape is good? Are there times where killing your neighbor because you envy what they have is good?

You mean the other xeno games aren't cringy weebshit?

You do realize you are basically forcing your opinion and thoughts onto others with this very post right? Also your statistic of suicides based on an anecdotal assumption is wildly inaccurate. If you're going to talk about delusions then form a coherent argument rather than making wild assumptions about other people's lives and interests themselves and claiming those to be wrong and only yours to be solely right, while acting like you sit on a golden throne as pariah of opinions. That in and of itself is an actual delusion.

>Are you suggesting that morality does not exist?
Objective Morality does not exist because there is nothing in the universe projecting objective morality onto the universe, therefore all morality is instead subjective.
>Are there situations where rape is good?
In say an extremely unlikely scenerio where you have to rape someone or else someone will cause the collapse of the universe, then yes there can be arguments that it is the moral choice despite it being something as bad as rape. Obviously this is an extreme example that will most likely never happen but the fact that it theoretically could exist means if we agree that in this situation it would be morally neutral or good to do it then rape can not be objectively bad. This does not really mean anything because rape is obviously vile, but it does mean objective morality is not real or if it is then rape is not objectively wrong since it can exist in a scenario such as above where it is morally permissible.
>Are there times where killing your neighbor because you envy what they have is good?
No because you can not logically ground your envy as a justifiable reason to kill someone, although if you had to kill them to stop them from say killing a group of kindergartners and trying to talk them down then that is a fair time to kill your neighbor.

Not him, but the rape argument is ignorant. Just because the outcome is good doesn't mean the process wasn't bad. If I happen to burn down someone's house in order to save an orphanage that doesn't mean that I'm morally correct, it just means I'm an idiot who can't look into the possibilities around me, it makes me an anti-hero and morally grey. Plus you used an extraordinarily extreme example in order to justify your argument. Now don't get me wrong, morals are inherently subjective beyond human creation, but you could have certainly used a better example.

OH NONONONONONO

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These threads always devolve into the same mindless arguing, people getting overly defensive because someone didn't like their favorite game, or people saying dumb shit in general, so I usually just use it as entertainment. Imagine writing essays like this
over an anime video game. Imagine taking media this seriously. Imagine sperging at people over fiction. Incredible.

So your argument is that an anime girl is more anime than an anime boy? You didn't really think that through huh?

Underages just don't know to not reply to the obvious bait posts.

I'd give good money for a port of this to the Switch
>left
>stupid looking clothes
>unrealistic but cool looking sword
>right
>stupid looking clothes
>unrealistic but cool looking sword
the only real difference here is that Pyra is showing more skin

>Just because the outcome is good doesn't mean the process wasn't bad. If I happen to burn down someone's house in order to save an orphanage that doesn't mean that I'm morally correct
By what metric? I am not decided on how human life can fit into things like Utilitarianism but I do think trying to minimizing harm/maximizing utility is usually the best course of action.
> Plus you used an extraordinarily extreme example in order to justify your argument. Now don't get me wrong, morals are inherently subjective beyond human creation, but you could have certainly used a better example
I did that because it shows the problems with objective morality but it is also extreme enough that it doesn't sound like I am condoning rape, which I am not. I simply wanted to point out that objective morality can not exist or else rape is not objectively wrong since a scenario such as the one I described can theoretically exist.

If you can't tell which one is weeb cringe and which one is well done then you are either blind or have brain damage. Possibly both with how XC2 fans act.

Keep getting BTFO

hey man, we're just killing time until XB3 is announced or XBX gets ported or XB1DE gets a fucking release date

They're both anime. Also I don't think you understand what the word weeb actually means.

>anime boy with ridiculous sword and god powers is somehow less weeb than generic anime girl
Yeah alright.

XC1 is the sort of anime that anyone can appreciate, and it doesn't rely on being anime. It's well designed and has a unique artstyle instead of being some basic bitch coomer pandering shit meant to appeal to braindead otaku.

Look at Pyra, you know you can't show that shit to anyone irl without feeling embarrassed because deep down you know it's the sort of cringey trash you find in seasonal anime that only weebs watch. That's what XC2 is.

See

Anime is anime, its all weeb crap, stop trying to differentiate it to make yourself feel like you belong. The only acceptable anime that has ever existed was DBZ.

I'd still laugh at you for playing XC1 if you showed me Shulk. You should feel embarrassed regardless.
>No no no, you don't understand normie, this is so much different than all the other anime games, its different REEEEEEE
Kill yourself weeb.

Plenty of normal well adjusted people enjoyed XC1 and X. A number of people I knew that loved those two hated XC2 because of how bad it was, especially because of the weebshit.

>The only acceptable anime that has ever existed was DBZ.
>toryama shit
>acceptable

Yeah, you're totally not gonna embarrass yourself by showing this to someone irl huh?

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And plenty of normally adjusted people enjoy XC2, your small anecdotal sample size is not applicable.

I love starting arguments between the XC1, and XC2 fan base. It's literally as easy as saying one game isn't as anime as the other. Derailing Xeno threads is always a pleasure. I don't even have to be as active as Xfag to do it, either.

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How can you not see that according to your worldview, you are still guided by morality? If there is no such thing as morality then we should be free to do ANYTHING that we want. Including rape, murder, theft etc. You were tricked in to believing you found the "right" set of beliefs and principles to guide your actions. In your own scenarios you came up with situations to justify rape and killing your neighbor. Bottom line if you believe yourself to be the judge of what is okay or not. You do not see that you follow Christian morality by simply existing in this society. All of our laws and legal systems are built on Christian principles. If you follow the law, you follow Christian morality.

You should probably do something more important with your life. You're embarrassing yourself.

X is pretty anime, you know

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My only issue with Pyra's design are her small pants, and the belt straps on the side. Like, why? Her concept design with the pigtails was cooler in my opinion, and it had a more motherly air to it, which is part of Pyra's character. Mythra, and Pneuma look much better.

Why are Monlithsoft's character designs SO BASED?

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Stop, they're gonna sperg out about how their game isn't as anime and somehow better, because they can't form an actual argument on why they dislike XC2 other than spouting buzzwords.

Enjoy your ruined threads, user. I'm going to keep fucking them over too. I can't wait for all the new fans to play Xenoblade 1 Definitive. I'm going to start the largest fandom war possible.

Still looks 10000x more tasteful than the shit in XC2

>And plenty of normally adjusted people enjoy XC2
Who, the retards in your weeb discord that only care about "best girl" debates? Those aren't "normal" or "people". There isn't anything noteworthy about XC2 other than its coomer designs and even those are bad.

>How can you not see that according to your worldview, you are still guided by morality?
My worldview is guided by morality, but it is subjective morality and not objective morality.
> All of our laws and legal systems are built on Christian principles. If you follow the law, you follow Christian morality.
I follow Laws because they are the laws not because I believe they are moral. Do you think Smoking weed is immoral because it is illegal?

I don't really care, you don't bother me at all, you're still embarrassing yourself though.

>I'm going to start the largest fandom war possible.
Don't OD on that Unwanted Self Importance

>tfw XC2 incels will be eternally destroyed once new XC1 fans join the discussions and outweigh their pathetic circlejerk
Based

the ebin puppetmaster routine is boring, get some new material

>Still looks 10000x more tasteful than the shit in XC2
Your argument was people irl, people irl would find that embarrassing as well. Your opinion and tastes are not indicative of the entire populace.
>Who, the retards in your weeb discord that only care about "best girl" debates? Those aren't "normal" or "people". There isn't anything noteworthy about XC2 other than its coomer designs and even those are bad.
This isn't an argument. Imagine if you said XC1 wasn't weeb and someone replied with "Who says that, your weeb discord, you aren't normal.", you'd laugh at the reply because of how base and retarded it actually is as an argument.

IF VANEA ISNT PLAYABLE IN XC1D, I'm gonna be kind of sad. We need a true Machina representative for the party, you know? Plus she has beef with Zanza.

the xeno series has always been hot garbage.
in the '90s, it was unfinished pretentious shit that contrarians pretended to like because it wasn't final fantasy.
in the 2000s, it was an unplayable "cinematic experience" that even the old contrarians couldn't defend.
in today's world, it's sword art online-tier shovelware that only gets talked about because it's nintendo exclusive.
the fact that people can argue over these shitty games all day is mind-numbing.

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>weebs bitch about weeb games being weeb but only their weeb stuff matters
This is the most autistic shit I have ever seen.

It was just my Xfag impression, relax guys. It's not like this thread is good anyway

Xenosaga 1 and 3 were pretty good despite their cinematics. 2 was trash though.

ok everyone has a personal cringe meter, so when it comes to anime cliche mines is "Beach Episode" does XBC2 canonically have one?

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And yet, here you are acting holier than thou because you don't like the series. Congratulations. The series will be discussed for years moving forward, and you'll still be complaining. Move on.

I literally own all three games.
How's the """"""""""""wife"""""""""'", Dunkey?

This, you're all weebs, stop acting like you're any better than each other.

Stop being so purposely ignorant you pathetic fuck. Literally browse any Xenoblade discussion on any site, or even watch lets plays from people that have played both games. The well adjusted people that have standards have for the most part been put off by the trash otaku pandering in XC2. This is not up for debate. The ones defending it or praising it either are waifutards or only played XC2.

I coom to Shulk, what now?

A lot of people get upset about one eyed monster, Mythra waking up next to Rex and calling him a pervert, and uhh idk

I just find it funny that people say Xenoblade X isn't anime when you can do this
I haven't played Xenoblade 2 yet though so I can't tell "how much anime" it is

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>follow Laws because they are the laws not because I believe they are moral.
So you admit that you will cave on your morals whenever it suits you. For me, I follow what I believe to be a higher set of principles. If there is a law that said I should do something against my God given morals I would not follow it. It is a higher path and not something to abandon when it is convenient.

1 and 3 weren't 2-level bad, but they were still 20-hour shitfests with more cutscenes than gameplay.

>XC1 is the sort of anime that anyone can appreciate
Because it has better pacing and voice acting? Where are you getting this conclusion from?
>has a unique artstyle
How do you mean? IF you mean the particular style of the clothing, it's not that unique given the assortment of anime with dumb looking outfits
If you mean the faces or anatomy, again, there are plenty of anime that have similar proportions.
IF you mean the earthy color palette, that's more unique but not so much that I'd say it's rare.
XB2 definitely looks more like today's modern anime but XB1 reflected the style that was modern at the time.
I mean particularly in the faces, the 3D modelers seem to use the proportions that you'd find in something like the Monogatari series, though aside from the pronounced lips I could even see some similarities to FMA.
It's like saying Xenogears had a really unique art-style compared to modern anime games when it really just had a style was relatively generic for the time it released.
I'd trade Sharla out for her; I think her mechanic would be a lot more interesting and having a real Machina party member would be cool
New H2Hs would also be really cool, Reyn deserves some metal tiddies for all his trouble

>The well adjusted people that have standards have for the most part
So not all of them have been put off, therefore there are well adjusted people that like XC2 by your own argument and words. Congratulations, you just proved my point, have a nice day.

It's okay to coom to well designed characters in your own time. XC2 fans simp for their dogshit characters all over the internet.

Kind of?
In the Challenge-Arena DLC, there's a mission that takes place on a poisonous beach. However, there are unique outfits that protect against this kind of environmental damage that can be earned and they look like swimsuits for each character.
They're actually pretty well made outfits too

I also coom to Pyra, sorry I like both designs.
Good job pointing out your hypocrisy tranny fujo. You'r just mad Pyra is an actual woman and you aren't.

The closest it gets is one of the battles in the challenge mode dlc, it's kind of beach-y themed. not really canon though.

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>So you admit that you will cave on your morals whenever it suits you.
No I admit that my morals are not tied to laws, Lying isnt illegal outside of a criminal investigation and yet I do not lie because I find it immoral

The ACfag of XBC, it's ok, we'll post more Pyra to upset you specifically now.

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They are outliers, I don't know their circumstances, they are probably just retarded or don't care much for video games or stories.

Either way the correlation is there.

I like Fiora and Melia, they are actual characters that aren't just made for the bottom of society scum, stay obsessed.

OH NO NO NO NO NO
*WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

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>The well adjusted people that have standards have for the most part been put off by the trash otaku pandering in XC2
Well adjusted people generally don't watch anime at all unless it's the first episode of the FOTM that their nerdy friend is trying to get them into.
Granted that leaves a lot of room for false negatives but I don't htink that's a good benchmark of whether a series is pandering without substance though.

every XB2 fujo (including trannies) I know likes Pyra

Worse, it has booby touching in sleep and hot spring scenes. Because everyone knows that shit is so funny. This is the game weebs claim is the same as other Xeno games.

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the blonde has the incel chin

Wholesome stuff only

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Well, she HAS been involuntarily celibate for 500+ years

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That's not in the game, and it still doesn't look like otaku trash with ridiculous proportions and pandering personalities. The artstyle still looks tasteful.

this shit was so unsettling

>Lying isnt illegal outside of a criminal investigation and yet I do not lie because I find it immoral
You lie every time you tell someone you are a different gender than you actually are. I do not mean this as a personal insult, just a fact. There are two genders, male and female. Anyone with gender dysphoria saying they are a different gender is lying. Not ill intentionally lying, it is a medical condition that up until very recently was listed as a psychological disorder. I have a brother with schizophrenia so I do not believe he was intentionally lying when he said he was Jesus Christ. You need help, not encouragement for your delusions.

user, you might be gay. I'm really sorry.
This, except the standards stuff is kind of overblown. The game wasn't even made for the western audience, so of course a lot of western people would be put off by it. It was made for the otaku, and fantasy anime lovers in nip land.
Why is everyone saying simp on Yea Forums nowadays? New buzzword from another board?
When people say the word weeb to describe anime, it doesn't make sense. How can something produced in Japan, for Japanese audiences be "weeb"? The same applies to Xeno in general really, but people continue to throw around this word like it means something more than "ad hominem"
Has anyone here played all 3 games, or at least the 2 mainline titles? Seriously, it feels like most people here only played XC2, since it's the vocal majority
Good post, 9/10
XCX2 is probably up next, but I heard they wanted to remake the first game, so that might mess with the plans for the X series
What is a fake Xenoblade fan?
This is literally fan art, not actual art in the game
Based Malos poster
What does this even mean? Everyone has hobbies.

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Pyra should have disappeared, and you can't dispute this

no u

Spamming your waifu won't make me any less right and you any less pathetic.

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user im not trans, I was born a male and identify as one and always have. I do think Gender and sex are different though and Gender dysphoria is a very real mental disorder that has no real cure right now aside from transitioning

I hope Xenoblade 3 has a cute mommy main heroine like Pyra.

simp is a normalfag instagram/twitter meme

nice butt

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>Look at Pyra, you know you can't show that shit to anyone irl without feeling embarrassed because deep down you know it's the sort of cringey trash you find in seasonal anime that only weebs watch. That's what XC2 is.
>"dude, why does she dress like that"
>"because the artist is a pervert"
a real conversation I had with a friend who was watching me go through XB2 NG+.
To normies, most anime looks the same.
The fact that Pyra shows more skin than Fiora or Sharla is a moot point to the fact that they all dress more scantily than average people in real life.

I hope you find another series to ruin and leave this one alone.

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>Has anyone here played all 3 games, or at least the 2 mainline titles? Seriously, it feels like most people here only played XC2, since it's the vocal majority
Most of us who did got bored of participating in these retarded arguments a long time ago.

What the fuck is this cringe? Are people literally saying that Xenoblade 1, the game where you kill god is not an anime?

>What does this even mean? Everyone has hobbies.
Yes, but anime as a serious hobby is still regarded as a niche thing that mostly social outcasts take part in. That's changinig a bit but most people only have a passing, surface-level awareness of anime. It's probably just Naruto and DBZ and MAYBE FMA or BNHA these days.

It was literally official art. You exposed yourself.

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People actually used the autobattle option?

based

I didn't even know there was one.

They're saying that because XB1 looks like a modern anime from 2009-2010 and XB2 looks like a modern anime from 2015-2020 that XB2 is worse.
It's also worth pointing out that some people, due to the half-decent dub, open-world zones and pronounced lips on character models, mistook that the game wasn't anime-inspired and was in fact somehow more 'western' in design.

see

is cemu still ignoring xcx and does it still run with too many glitches to bother with?

I get what you're saying, and I agree for the most part, but I don't know what you mean by "serious" hobee. Like buying figurines, and watching anime all day? Fuck that, but I do like watching it briefly day by day when I'm bored, or playing JRPG's.

XB1 doesn't resemble an anime with that art style, period. Maybe XC1D, but not the original.

levay maricon

As long as it doesn't use Toriyama's crummy art style.

No, runs perfectly now

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I define serious as in spending maybe 2-3 hours a week indulging and cultivating the hobby.
So watching 2-3 episodes of anime a season total, or not even knowing that there is such a thing as seasonal anime isn't what I'd consider a serious anime hobbyist.
You don't need to be buying figures and shit but you do need to actually be interested and active in finding new anime to watch. I'd argue most 'casual' fans couldn't even mention the name of any creators off the top of their head.
And that's most people with most hobbies: most people are only passing participants in most activities. I go hiking once every month but I know some people who straight up go camping in the hills every weekend.
As a result, I wouldn't judge the value and worth of different trails by how much they appeal to those casual fans.

It resembles FFXII

>XB1 doesn't resemble an anime with that art style, period. Maybe XC1D, but not the original.
I mean, in the sense that XB1's character models were designed by the 3D artists first since the pre-existing concept art was incredibly barebones? Yes, you're right, there aren't many anime that look exactly like it but there are elements in XB1's style that are clearly drawn from things that were popular at the time.
The body and facial proportions are closer to Naruto than to something like SAO, but Naruto was pretty popular around the late 2000s when XB1 came out. Obviously the color palette and outfit design are different but even the outfits aren't really that unique compared to what you'd see in Final Fantasy. It's certainly more outlandish than what you'd see in Dragon Quest.

IM GONNA

So this is the quality game XC2fags defend so hard...

Cant wait till my son bullies the fuck outta tranny grannies

UUH UUHH IM GONNA IM GONNA COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

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XC1 and XCX also had swimsuits, the difference is that the characters were ugly af so the sjw didnt care

There is nothing wrong with some swimsuits
I'm sorry but my character is a cute

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I can't really say 2 to 3 hours a week means much, but I get what you mean.

The problem with any Xenoblade discussion is that fans of the first game actually believe that the game has some excellent narrative and profoundly soulful character designs.
The reality is that the game has a great opening and the rest of the story is fairly terrible. The characters look like potatoes.

But they can't cope with that. So they attack the sequel for not living up to some ridiculous made up standards for a series that was never all that good at storytelling. They yell and they rage that the characters are lewd and weeby when they are just Xenoblade in HD.

If XC1 fans had any self awareness and consumed ANYTHING other than capeshit and anime, then maybe this fanbase could find peace. As is stands, the imagined profoundness of the first game will always be their coping mechanism. Let's hope XCDE exposes that.

How many people actually liked the combat, world, characters, or plot of XC2, and how many of you simply like beating off to the characters? I seriously want to know. The thread is slowing down, so I might as well ask. Like you actually care about the series.

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Time to go back.

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I want to comb Pyra's hair

Don't forget that the first game has some of the worst voice acting known to man. XC1's fanbase think their game is fucking Evangelion.

It'd be a fun game without delicious anime balloon tits.

I enjoyed the gameplay, sadly it take hours for the game to both give you all the tools to enjoy the combat and a challenge to use them. The character designs are pandering, but as long as they are just there and don't get in the way of the game, who cares.

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>XC1
>Bad voice acting
That's the dumbest comment I've seen yet. It's damn near the best in the Blade series. It's one of the only things XC2 actually didn't manage to do better, sadly. The cast actually had voice direction for their scripts, and a director.

MY ANIME SHIT IS BETTER THAN YOUR ANIME SHIT, AAAAAA IM RALLY FALLIN EHT GAIZ

You're all fucking stupid. Also get the fuck off my board reseshit, nobody fucking cares.

>like both 1 and 2 for their own merits and think they line up well as parallel works narratively
>a bunch of autists in the thread arguing over which game is more anime or more rushed

I'm an XB2fag but you're out of your mind
XB1 is considered to have some of the better voice work in games, let alone in most english dubs.
Granted, it's mostly carried by 4-5 people but it's still generally pretty good.

It's what happens when the only discussion a fandom can have is over stuff that already exists. A single new trailer for XB1D or XB3 or XBX port would cleanse this bullshit

>and the rest of the story is fairly terrible
Holy COPE
youtube.com/watch?v=Afy6KOXoIUY
XC1's story is fantastic and the way it's written is clever as fuck. The dialogue is so much better too. Stop trying to drag it down because your game is shit.

Y'all are crazy, the british voices are just awful, Shulk especially. It's like hearing metal on a chalkboard constantly. XC2's voice acting isn't better either. Its both awful. Now the Japanese, yeah that's good, the dubs are fucking terrible.

>XC1's story is fantastic and the way it's written is clever as fuck
It's okay, it's mostly the storytelling that's exemplary in its pacing and framing. The plot and character writing is pretty standard for a JRPG, all things considered.
I'm also one of those assholes who things the Zanza and Klaus twists actually make the writing worse despite the lip service paid towards gnosticism and monadology

I've never played XC1 subbed, but I definitely did for XC2.

Even Xenosaga 2's story is better. There I fucking said it, I said what we're all thinking.

LMAO XC1's dub has much more emotion than that bland japshit or XC2's dogshit. Compare english Shulk to japanese Shulk, jap one is some generic fuckboi.

For what it was, it was fine. Zanza and Klaus aren't that offensive, but Zanza specifically needed more fleshing out as far as his past goes.

I'd rather never touch either game again if I ever had to listen to the English dubs again. Usually I don't mind english dubs at all, but those two are just grating on an insane level.

>XC1's dub has much more emotion than that bland japshit
Fucking hardly.

You are out of your fucking mind.
If you generally hate bong accents, I might get it but the voice work itself is quite good. The english voice work for XB1 actually makes the characters more interesting and nuanced than they're actually written to be. You compare the English voices for Shulk or Melia or Reyn to the japanese and there's just a world of difference in terms of the depth of the performance. Shulk in Japanese is a pretty boring and inoffensive protagonist, whereas he's played as more thoughtful and inquisitive in the Dub.
I'd say even English Rex surpasses his JApanese equivalent by the end of XB2

That's a fancy way of saying you have shit tase. Most JRPG plot and and character writing doesn't hold a candle to XC1. There is a reason XC2 fans get rightfully shat on for trying to say they are equals.

He's played as thoughtful and inquisitive too in Japanese, you just don't actually understand the language. The british voices are just bad.

>Most JRPG plot and and character writing doesn't hold a candle to XC1
You haven't played a lot of JRPGs I take it if you honestly believe this.

>that UI

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>A single new trailer for XB1D or XB3 or XBX port would cleanse this bullshit
it's really cute that you think this

There was nothing offensive about them but the issue is that they kind of skew the writing in weird ways. We were talking about it in a previous thread actually.
The issue with Zanza is that the unambiguously evil nature he has makes it easy to lump most of Shulk's previously shown character flaws (such as his desire for revenge and bloodthirst and hatred at the mechon) onto Zanza and effectively absolve Shulk of any accountability or culpability for those feelings. This is actually foreshadowed shortly after the invasion on colony 9 when Shulk talks about the two voices in his head. Zanza wasn't a bad villain but his role in the story does weird things for Shulk's arc.
As for the Klaus twist, I just think it was unneeded, at least at the point in the story it takes place. As it is, the Klaus twist doesn't really do a lot to affect the story: Zanza is already dead, so it's not like the party needs some convincing that he's able to be beaten. It doesn't really give fuel for any character arcs or give greater insight into Zanza as a character since both Klaus and Zanza are shown to be the same type of asshole.
It would have actually made more sense if Shulk saw that vision BEFORE deciding to confront Zanza, as it would give the party the resolve to know that even though he apes godhood, he's actually just a man.

Exactly. I seriously don't get how anyone can defend that atrocity.

>Most JRPG plot and and character writing doesn't hold a candle to XC1
Sure, most don't, but I wouldn't even put XB1 in the 20th percentile of writing quality.

I love XC1 and 2, and neither are top jrpg stories by any means.

>The cast actually had voice direction for their scripts
Lmao, some of the voice actors said that they had no direction or context given

God that looks awful

yeah monolith cut their losses with the wii u

Not really. The voice work doesn't really convey that the character is actually on a serious train of thought, the delivery is generally kind of flat aside from the screams.
>you just don't actually understand the language
You don't need to understand a language to understand tone and emotion. The literal term for an actor conveying an emotion outside of the explicit words they speak is 'emoting' and can generally be picked up by people across languages.

Hey, good thing XB1D will probably tweak the entire ending. Assuming that consists of Memory Space, up until the epilogue, that's quite a lot. Or Alvis could show Shulk the events of Earth as he sits in a coma, but who knows. If Zanza were more of a morally grey figure, Shulk's newfound emotions could have caused for greater development, but he's an entire fuckboy who wants to destroy the world. Due to that, it's kind of hard to really not pin anything on him.

Didn't like the pandering stuff or the mobile-lite mechanics, liked pretty much everything else. Combat's fun, world is good (not as well realized as 1's world, but I found it more interesting from a lore/worldbuilding standpoint), characters are mostly good, plot is half great half okay.
I think the game had a ton of unused/wasted potential, though. I find so many of the details of the world and its characters incredibly interesting but it often felt like the game's priorities were in other places. Considering the length of development and the reduced staff I wish they had focused in a bit and cut out a decent chunk of the rare blades. When I do post in these threads it's fairly critical, but the game's easily one of my favorites, right up there with the original Xenoblade despite its flaws.

I don't give a fuck, let's just not pretend XC2 even comes close.

If you want to argue about subs vs dubs go to fucking Yea Forums

>I don't give a fuck, let's just not pretend XC2 even comes close.
Except in terms of explicit writing quality, XB2 does surpass XB1. Any given character from XB2 is more likely to have more depth than a similarly random character pulled from XB1, particularly among the core cast of party members, villains and supporting characters.

To be fair, a lot of JRPG's are mediocre, to average at most. They didn't really do anything to excel the genre, or push it to new levels. You can't name many JRPG's that had the same level of scale as XC1 at the time period of its release.

He's talking about 1's dub, which is the one where the cast actually got to go over the Japanese cutscenes with the director.

my bad

I'll give fanartists credit tho, Shulk's clothing are hard to draw specially the monado

Monolithsoft basically reinvented the open world genre with XC1, XCX and their help on BotW.

For sure, I'm actually really interested to see what changes, if any, are made to XB1. And to be clear, I still like XB1, I'm excited to go through it again. I usually replay XB1 and XB2 annually at this point, often times back to back.
XB1D will be particularly interesting to see if they sneak in hints about the direction of their next project in there.

You are delusional, there is no point discussing such an opinion when it's so far removed from reality.

I think she's cute

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>I'm afraid of my point being contradicted or shaken at all, so I'm going to disengage entirely
Belief untested is no belief at all

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, pal.

That's mostly because Takahashi had literally took his Xenogears plot, and general character arcs, and rehashed them for XC2. It's apparent to anyone who has played both games, and no, I'm not saying this to put down XC2's writing.

Really, it's pointless to even compare, or debate about which game has better writing. They both have different visions in mind, and tackle different subjects, or elements. Apples to oranges.

XCX is the only open world game they've worked on besides BotW, but that's true.

Clearly you do or you wouldn't have brought it up in the first place as an argument against XC2. Neither are bastions of jrpg writing, simple as that.
Release date doesn't matter in terms of story. Now as for both games when they released, yeah they're great jrpgs. As an overall package in terms of writing and story, they don't break even break the top 20.

This is why I personally prefer XC2, its Xenogears redux basically.

And what is this "top 20" that you've constructed out of your own opinions, and find the objective list of quality JRPG's?

> There is a reason XC2 fans get rightfully shat on for trying to say they are equals
More like the reverse. XC1 characters are nothing to right home about. The only ones who are "good" are Shulk and Melia. Fiora is mcguffin girl, Dunban is wise mentor but is only good because everyone else is so bad, Riki is a tales mascot, and Sharla might as well not exist, and Reyn is nothing more than a yes man to Shulk's whiplash when it comes to revenge.

Why should I bother with such an insane opinion? My beliefs are incredibly firm and as such I see no reason to argue with someone who doesn't even live in the same reality as the rest of the world.

Imagine the anal

Dickless homosexual.

True.
It's kind of hard to compare stories with different goals and themes to each other
For instance, I always thought it was weird to compare P5 to XB2 when the latter came out given that the comparison of P5 to TWEWY or to TMS#FE seemed to be a more apples-to-apples.

You haven't played Xenogears, fuck off.

Same, actually.
Considering they probably put a lot of work into this game since it's not just a simple remaster, and was put on an entirely new engine in general, I'd be surprised if they didn't slap in some sort of post credits content to foreshadow XB3, or something along those lines. The next trailer we get should put more emphasis on the new content in the game, but we'll see.

>P5 to XB2
do people actually compare them? the only thing they have in common is the genre vaguely and the fact both of their development history was more shaky then the 2012 earthquake that changed persona 5

>Why should I bother with such an insane opinion?
Because you've come to a conclusion without actually supporting it, and you're proselytizing your opinion in this mongolian carpet forum to try to convince others of your way of thinking.
If your beliefs are so firm, then you should have no problem laying out your reasons for holding them to everyone else and converting them to your way of seeing things?

I don't see it much outside of people obviously trying to get a rise out of others in these threads.

Depends exactly what you're going for. At the end of the day most jrpgs are very base. Even looking at something such as FFVII and you can tell at the surface level its base. Yet its actually, at least prior to the compilation a very expertly written thesis on a mixture of Kabbalah and Judaism with Norse Mythologies. You have Mother, Xenogears, Suikoden 2, Skies of Arcadia, Tales of Vesperia, etc. You can argue that a lot of these also have base plots and writing, and you wouldn't be wrong, but they also do a lot in terms of the overall ability that pushed forward jrpgs as a whole. Look at Tales of Vesperia for instance, its a very basic story, yet what it does with Yuri in terms of his actual morally grey outlook and character is relatively rare for a jrpg.

Xenogears overall is definitely the best written Xeno game there is.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to respond to you, but I have. You, or some other clown here think nobody here has played it at all, but that's not true. As soon as I finished XC1 last summer, I started playing through the other games in the series to familiarize myself with the themes, and the general elements of the series. Have a nice day, though.

>It's an Xfag/Xfag-like arguing "OMG XC2 has an anime style you guys are ruining my fandom" thread
>It's also an Xfag replies angrily to every negative comment with "yeah fuck this shit game" thread

Fucking hell people when are you going to learn not to reply to these garbage posts let him samefag till he gets too lonely and quits like he usually does
Also keep me up to date on the lore here who is Andrew?

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I play it once a year along with Ripto's Rage, Silent Hill 3, Secret of Mana, and Symphony of the Night.

>The next trailer we get should put more emphasis on the new content in the game, but we'll see.
fuck me, I cant wait
Also, it's small, but I love the new fucking material shaders on Metal Face and can't wait to see how the other mechon look. On the Wii, the models were kind of taking advantage of the really bare-bones hardware by creating designs looked very skeletal themselves with 2D textures in a 3D space, but I'm interesting to see how they look with real material shaders and better lighting.
Also, robutt in glorious HD, maybe even with skindentation.

Andrew is part of the hivemind that also includes Barry and ACfag and so on. Basically a bunch of idiots that have idiotic opinions, and they're all actually the same person.

>robutt in glorious HD, maybe even with skindentation
Doesn't she have weird seams in her legs in that set? Be careful what you wish for.

>As soon as I finished XC1 last summer, I started playing through the other games in the series to familiarize myself with the themes, and the general elements of the series. Have a nice day, though.
OH NONONONONONO
LOOK AT THIS ZOOMER

Yeah, no. There is no way anyone can play Xenogears, and then enjoy the garbage that is XC2. Unless you're as delusional as the other guy that said XC2 has better character writing than XC1.

Will XBC be heavily censored?

That doesn't even reach 10 JRPG's, user. Just say you dislike the Blade series. That being said though, I like most of the games you happened to list, and find Gears to be the best written Xeno game, but I hate when people pretend like Xenoblade is any different. If anything, Takahashi dialed down his ambition, and learned how to cut out the unnecessary bloat in his writing. The Blade titles are easily more nuanced, and subtle in their general writing.

When XB2 came out, they showed up every once in a while. It was clearly just bait but it also was essentially just another consolewar shitflinging competition.

>When you discover your OTP has a dedicated artist
BASED AS FUCK

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I doubt you've actually played the game. If you did you could properly articulate yourself instead of shitposting so hard

>Yeah, no. There is no way anyone can play Xenogears, and then enjoy the garbage that is XC2. Unless you're as delusional as the other guy that said XC2 has better character writing than XC1.
I like video games, what is so wrong with that? I enjoy the similarities between XG and XC2, sure I enjoy XG more, but I enjoy XC2 for what its trying to do, just as I enjoy XC1 and the XS trilogy, XS2 could be better though. Hating everything isn't going to make you fit in on Yea Forums, most of us just want to enjoy video games and talk about them, especially since a lot of us aren't 15 from 2006 anymore.

I could see the blood being censored, since 2 was weird about omitting it despite having either the same or a higher rating (suggesting the standards might've changed somehow).
I doubt the nudity is at risk, though. Just recently someone pointed out that the 'partial nudity' part of XB1's original ESRB rating is there for DE as well, that's something that even XB2 didn't get.

Are these real or modded? I played when it first came out but dont remember alternate costumes and shit like this.

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I really like the way metallic objects look in this updated engine. It's like a fine line between anime characters, and realistic environments that still fit.

bruh

They're real. They were added as post-launch DLC. Every main character has a swimsuit.

You get them from the land of challenge dlc for trading in noponstone you get from battles

You're arguing with a known shitposter. I hope you know that you're wasting your energy.
Yeah, I doubt it's getting censored. The partial nudity thing likely comes from Arglas having his round purple ass out in like, a handful of cutscenes.

Any game requirements or can I just pay and play?

You have no taste and enjoy eating shit, good for you.

As said there's a 'challenge area' and the more challenges you complete the more points you get to buy different outfits for party members.

There's nothing wrong with you, user. Don't let trolls fuck with your head.

Cringe

We know you can't express yourself outside of using zoomer buzzwords, user. It's okay.

I'm gonna play some castlevania guys

>Gender dysphoria is a very real mental disorder that has no real cure right now aside from transitioning
The fact that over %90 of men who undergo gender reassignment surgery commit suicide very strongly suggests that transitioning is anything BUT a cure.

Why do more men want to become women, over women who become men?

Ah that's fair.
Enjoy yourself.

Xenoblade 2 is the only good game in the series.

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>Worse, it has booby touching in sleep and hot spring scenes. Because everyone knows that shit is so funny.
Dunno if it's "funny", but it's fun, while you are a bigot idiot who takes some fun sexy scenes super seriously. Chill out and control the needless outrage.

I would argue that a lot of them end up very much like a lot of users on Yea Forums, take /r9k/ for example. They ended up never experiencing love for whatever reason, and they start diving into a chance to try and be closer to women by becoming a woman, trying to feel any type of emotion or sex/love in any way, shape, or form. I've known a lot of people that are like that, they start getting to into porn and it just nosedives into experimentation and thoughts, I've known people who were virgins at 24 who wanted to transition just to try and be part of that group thinking a trap or themselves would be easier to find love than an actual woman, etc.

It's a messy road of mental instability that festers, for other's its their parents who push the agenda on them because they wanted a daughter rather than a son, or vice versa. A lot of women can feel that connection and feel like the gender they actually are because its easier for them to obtain love and sex and so a connection with people that makes them feel like women by comparison. At least this is what I've noticed in the people I've known that have these problems or have actually begun transitioning.

Its not a good cure but its better than feeling alien in your own skin your whole life, which is why people still transition despite the problems. Hopefully in the future we just get a pill that makes you comfortable in the body you are born in.

Because women are now worshiped as gods by the betas in society. The proof is obvious when you look at things like instagram and the entire egirl phenomenon. Look at how the average women on dating sites expects to be treated. The fact that pussy is viewed as something holy, that every man should strive for over everything else. I do not view things this way, but that seems to be more and more an acceptable world view. Now those same weak men that would repulse any women because of how pathetic they are bought in to the lie that THEY can become the woman, and they will have that same power. They cut their dicks off and have a hole that never heals where it should be, then are met with the rude awakening that most men are disgusted with that, Then they kill themselves.

Neck yourself you waste of space.

You are a fucking idiot, that's a fucking 100% anime style, anime doesn't mean "the anime things I don't like" for fuck's sake.

I liked Xenoblade 2 because of its fun setting, characters and reminds me of some anime I would catch on tv in the 90s.

>h*ws farts

Ok zoomer

Glad you enjoy it user, keep being you and ignoring the shitposters from resetera and twitter.

Thank you fellow user

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That's honestly depressing, society is fucked in America

I like to think of it more as artificial natural selection. The betas never end up reproducing, become women, or off themselves, and the men who don't share the same viewpoint tend to have sex, or end up with children.

>They apparently want to remake it
Yeah, but it'll apparently cost too much for them so nope for the moment.

I'm almost wonder if it's not even the game itself but maybe to do with the music since there's a bunch with vocals. Could be something they never planned on having to deal with when making it in the first place.

Its not just America. Look at places like Ancient Rome and Thailand for instance. Ancient Rome reveled in young boy love and gay sex, some of them would crossdress just to fit in in certain communities, much like Thailand, where being gay is frowned upon, so they transition to be a "woman" and therefore its seen as more socially acceptable.

The world has always been fucked, we're just in a time where we're alive while it is fucked.

Betas tend to be betas because they refuse to change or actually try. There are plenty of people with genetic diseases or far uglier than your average beta who have sex just fine just because they try or have even a modicum of confidence/charisma.

FPBP

Well for one, X's original draft was way different than what the final product ended up becoming

I swear, if I wasn't reading this, I would think this is a joke. This is insanity, do XB1 fuckers actually have their head so high up in their own ass that they think that Xb1 is flawless? This have to be some form of complex because I refused to believe this.

That's honestly pretty crazy. I guess it's easier to look for another way out of your problems, instead of addressing them. Interesting talk though, user. Take care.

I'm really enjoying X

So was 1's.

It's just progressively worse around the world because it's becoming more socially acceptable. There's not enough people ridiculing these changes, and more people being vocal, defensive, and inclusive to shit that really has no business being normalized. I'm glad I truthfully just don't give a shit, though.

As someone who has struggled with those issues, not gender problems mind you, though it has crossed my mind before (which I'm sure it has everyone to a degree), its definitely easier to just not try, to form your own little escapism fantasy world where everything works out than it is to try, to hope for some miracle that just sweeps you off your feet and fixes all your problems, a girl that randomly shows up and loves you, a well paying job out of nowhere, hitting the lottery, etc. Reality is harsh and sometimes dealing with it makes it worse, but you gotta keep moving or else you'll get nowhere, and maybe even by moving you still won't get anywhere, but at least you lived.

And definitely an interesting talk, you take care too user.

It happens every so often user, the world works in cycles, it'll switch back around eventually.

It was way different in X's case, though. Have you seen the Mira art book? The setting, and everything was different for the most part.

I'm not going to say this cycle is permanent, but it really does feel like the normalization of such degenerate acts are only going to get worse, and worse. Sure some people might wake up, but not the other hundred million across the world.

>I guess it's easier to look for another way out of your problems, instead of addressing them. Interesting talk though, user. Take care.
Cheers user. Sorry for mistaking you for a tranny if you are the same dude. My comments were originally aimed at the tranny earlier up in the thread. As long as there are men discussing these issues and not accepting the "socially accepted" cures for them we have hope.
Same to

Nah, it'll change back around, maybe not in our lifetimes, but it will.

I didn't think there was still hope for men, but there is.

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I feel the same. In a dark age of humanity the Xenoblade franchise represents a bastion of hope.

the lighting on those gloves looks 10x better than anything else in the image, what the hell

Same lighting/texture for Pyra's boobs.

The fingers in this engine still need work

nah, her chest is a different texture

reminder that it's possible to enjoy XC2 for both big tits and a quality world/story/soundtrack/characters

sure.
but if your enjoyment of the game hinges on there being big tits, you're a fag.

A bunch of shitposting anons on a gook image board don't equate to the entire fandom. I don't know why people continue to think the anons here speak for entire fandoms.

i can agree

Absolutely, but if you specifically bought the game to stare at anime titties, and jerk your dick to the female Blades, I don't know what to say to you. You make people who actually do care about the game seem like mindless simps

Also notice that the hand that Pyra is holding is lit up green and the hand that Mythra is holding is lit up red
kino

There's a lot of small details in this game that go under appreciated, like Tantal's capital structure resembling Torna's capital.

That's how the Aion room is lit.

My monolith isn't soft right now, if you know what I mean.

I think you mean capitol but I see your point
Yeah but it's obviously an intentional choice to have Rex be in that exact spot, if not outright use of spot lighting just to achieve that effects

you lost me

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Do Americans really play this shovelware?

Yeah, it's fun.

I agree

>like Tantal's capital structure resembling Torna's capital
I don't see it
How do you mean?

>This entire thread

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You'll be hard-pressed to find a good Xeno thread nowadays
They pop up once a blue moon

Compare Tantal's capital city to Auresco in Torna

I dunno about the structure of the city itself, but at the very least the palaces look very similar to each other.

>glad to see you've never played them
Right cause XC1 had giant chibi robot maids in serious scenes, or a cliche tsundere character who accidentally slept in the protags bed then gets mad and throws random things at him all with cartoonish sound effects, blushy-chrushy, intentional breasts shots in cutscenes, and a harem ending

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It makes sense, considering the Tantalese derive from the Tornans

>and a harem ending
So they do end up together? Cute

I mean, one has a very, very Asian aesthetic with some structures that resemble more advanced technology and the other is made basically all out of stone, with four layers to the city (which is fair given they're on top of a pillar), so I don't really see it, sorry

Didn't Takahashi say he made the game lighthearted for the Japanese youth, and took a lot of motive from 80's or 90's anime

nintensimps ruin everything.

A Xenoblade X thread we had a few days ago was really good

>serious scenes
That aside, since Makna Forest is the equivalent of Chapter 4 for XC2
>first thing Melia does after waking up is slapping the shit out of the guy who helped her, which even made Dunban laugh
>Riki's introduction is the party using him as a volleyball
There's a bunch of dumb anime shit in Makna Forest too, even if the game didn't want to go for the more lighthearted tone

>it's Nintendo fan's fault that Nintendo games don't have good discussion
What?

discussion went to shit when the series moved to nintendo toys.

She's very cute indeed, you've inspired me to reset my 1 hour save file and make a cute girl instead of literally me

You fucking simpleton, you can change your character at will after chapter 5

The context is entirely different, though. Melia was passed out in the woods, and a group of strangers approached her. The Riki beach ball scene was definitely comedic, but it's not even remotely the same. There's also that scene where Reyn triggers the trap in the High Entia Ruins, but that's about it.

>since Makna Forest is the equivalent of Chapter 4 for XC2
The scene from the the pic I posted was the second encounter with bana. You know after Jin steals the titan kill tons of Urayan soldiers, kills fan, and a war is seemingly about to break out bana shows up to assassinate the Urayan queen....with a giant chibi robot maid.

Xenoblade has always been a Nintendo series, and truthfully, barely anyone here has played Gears or Saga outside of the minority of fans who actually care for the series

Meh, it's just a test save I made after building the undub and uncensor for Cemu. Why would I play till chapter 5 when I can just reset, it's only been an hour

I want to slap whoever thought that was a good idea. The chapter was pretty serious until Bana raided a political meeting, and killed the Prince of an entire nation with a maid mech. They need to make Nopon have less main story presence in the next game. Or at least, designate them to one specific chapter.

go back to r3ddit nigger.

Based 'comic relief' Nopon breaking what's expected of their character archetype and actually killing people should happen more often, unironically. They're supposed to be cute but also they are just as intelligent as any other race and are just as capable of being evil.

>and killed the Prince of an entire nation with a maid mech
Right they could made Bana's blade look like poppi buster or something

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Fuck no. Keep the shitty mascots to the sidelines where they belong, please. The nopon crap in chapter 2 was fine, 4 was pushing it, 6 was just abhorrent.

It's the opposite for me, I played Gears after Blade 1 and X and XB2 was just devoid of the shit I actually liked about Gears. It's a dumbing down if anything.

The issue is that they look like plushy mascots. You can't take them seriously, even if they're pedaling drugs like Scarface, blowing up continents, or killing political leaders. I gotta agree with . Also,

Honetsly I think it's fine as it is, I would agree with the user above and add that it comes off as way sillier cause it was a maid mech

Well, yeah. It's something of a more simplistic, and nuanced retelling of Gears Episode 5.

I haven't finished Xenogears yet but it seems like an entirely different story than XC2. I assume the final story beats and reveals are what make it a retelling? I hear this every thread but never an actual explanation

Gears and Saga 1 were the best selling game in the series before 2 came along.

That stuff is fine in sidequests, not in the main story, and especially not when it's attached to obvious filler segments, like the Bana assassination plot was.

And that success translated right into Monolith's own growth. We're living in a good timeline.

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docs.google.com/document/d/10lT-OGZJvjadybq4VgUsxfrqT_sjXU1dB1ytYXZD0ZI/edit?usp=sharing

If you read this, you'll understand the "XC2 has rehashed elements from Gears" posts.

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I think people's dissatisfaction stems more from that this seemed more like a main story type of deal rather than filler, which is why it came off so jarring when Bana comes out with Maidzinger Z. Then again, the scene before where you beat up a whole troupe of pro chef Tirkin's isn't exactly main story srs business material and should have set the overall mood of this plotline as more lighthearted. However, the plotline being all-out war between Uraya and Mor Ardain makes the overall mood too serious to take as a joke despite their efforts, plus he actually kills someone. The way they handled it makes it feel more like a plotline they had to drop due to time constraints

what happened there from 2014-2016?

Very helpful, thanks user, I'll read this when I've finished Xenogears

I wouldn't say it was a dropped plotline, since Bana escaped prison and etc, but it wasn't executed properly.

>End of chapter 9 / Start of chapter 10
Fuck bros.
Where did my wacky wahoo anime adventure go. Jin's voice acting (JP) during that entire last scene was fucking heart breaking.
Fucking good to see Klaus again though. Let's begin the experiment, faggots.

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No.

It's a shame that XC2 takes awhile to heat up, in terms of plot anywho. If the entire game was like Chapter 6 onwards, I'd be like damn son.
I assume some fluctuation with BotW, but who knows. All that matters is that the company continues to skyrocket.

I say that it feels dropped because they just used one plotline that was running in the background to end the current plotline of war tension quickly. We could have had the main characters mediate, like actually visiting the palace of Uraya (and the whole noble area that we can't explore) to meet with the queen to convince her of Mor Ardain's innocence

That would have been pointless. Especially when A, Amalthus had control of the Titans with his powers regardless, and nothing was going to save the world besides Rex climbing to Elysium

>like actually visiting the palace of Uraya (and the whole noble area that we can't explore)
I was so disappointed that the palace was unvisitable. It's such a cool concept and would've had an amazing view.
I wanted to get up closer to the higher ground in Uraya in general. Get a close look at the Saffronia forest and the transparent skin of the Titan, and all that.

It'll be a Takahashi game, of course we'll get that. And even more.

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If they fuck themselves up through war before you even get to climb the world tree, you can't save the world. Everyone's going to be dead before you get back down. Also why would Amalthus even care, he'd be glad if they start killing each other. He wouldn't just start moving around Titans just for that

It would've fleshed out the world more, and that's always nice. Exploring a new location also would be a lot more entertaining than a copy-paste of the Ardainian Titan ship.

>Also why would Amalthus even care, he'd be glad if they start killing each other.
He literally used the Indoline Titan to stop that from happening. He doesn't want war, or at least he didn't want it at that moment.

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I mean, i like all 3 games, and xc2 is top 3 on switch, but it's definitely more "anime" than the others. They use anime tropes and have the silly high energy scenes/characters/acting. They even use the anime facial animations for overportayal of emotion. Even the art direction is a more generic anime style that looks it's like an actual anime series. The other two aren't like that - they're a little more "serious"

I love her

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>If the entire game was like Chapter 6 onwards, I'd be like damn son.
All they really needed was to up the action and remove some of the comedy/filler in 2-4 and it'd be great.

Yeah there's a lame hot springs scene complete with small girl admiring big girl's assets. It's dumb

Best boy.

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Titan moving is his hidden trump card though, he wouldn't use it just to stop a war. His reason for intervening could have been just to keep up appearances temporarily as a neutral party to maintain Indol's power and safety until he needed it to move titans

No, discussion went to shit when Xenoblade 1 released outside of the EU.

XCX. Draw your own conclusions.

secretly crazy ginger mommy gf with a nasty powerful alter ego was also a thing in gears buddy.

So its March now, they revealed XC:DE six months ago. When the fuck are we getting more news?

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