When will we see a remake of the best FF game?

When will we see a remake of the best FF game?

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Squeenix said after FF7 remake

And how long will it take them to release all FF7R episodes?

>completely different life stories
>20 years later people still cling to this retarded theory

But she wouldn't even remember her life because of her usage of GF.

bfahahahahahahahahahaha

since midgar alone took them 5 years
5 more years to get up to gold saucer
then 5 more years to the point where aeris dies
then 5 more years to where cloud becomes a vegetable
then 3 more years for side stories where tifa and cid are party leaders
and then 2 more years until the end since they can reuse a lot of assets when you revisit lots of locations

Okay thanks. I'm going to save up for a PlayStation 8 and just get the Complete Edition in 2040.

Ultimecia whole reason for being evil is thanks to being persecuted for being a sorcerer during her youth.
Rinoa on the other hand had a family and her youth was spent with a rebelious group against the goverment.
Completely different life stories, completely different people.

Lmao see you in 20 years

Who knows? Hopefully before I die. I want to see this shit with modern graphics goddamn it.

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But Rinoa was literally imprisoned for being a witch during he events of 8. Squall saved her.

Oh yay, more censorship.

Would she have green or blonde hair in a remake?

That's not what being persecuted means. Ultimecia was hunted and people tried to kill her, she got powerfull and literally anihilated everyone else. There was no Squall to save her from a prison, there was no Eyes on Me playing in the background during her life. She has a whole different life story than Rinoa and it's what defines her character and motivations for the whole plot of the game.

They're both witches so they're both basically the same. It's just they grew up in different environments because Ultimecia didn't have Squall.

Wait, does she turn into evil hag later on? Is she her from the future or she turns into her?

We know nothing about Ultimecia. Its conjecture. She has like three lines of dialog in the whole game

Yes, which is why the contrast between them exist. But people can't grasp their brains around it. Ultimecia is just the potential of a Rinoa without Squall.
It's these aspects that make VIII great and also the most misunderstood game in the franchise. It's a game that only make sense and the story threads sew into each other at the very end.

>She has like three lines of dialog in the whole game
Ultimecia is talking through the whole game. You just don't know it's her. Every time Edea opens her mouth until she's free, it's Ultimecia talking.

Why is SE putting in all the references to the theory into Dissidia and other stuff?

But not about herself.

In 15 years when they finish FF7, maybe by then they can get FF8 running without black screening like the PC remaster.
Nobody clings to it, we all know Kitase said it wasn't true. FF8 is the definition of death of an author, because you can either take or leave the R=U theory, both make sense in their own right, both give nuance in their own right and actively telling the fanbase no, hurts the game and its possible interpretation overall.

Blonde, green was only a sprite thing because her and Celes' sprites looked too similar.

To add to this, same reason why they removed her cape and gave her shoulderpads.

He did say no. But then they give them the same spells in Dissidia and some of the same moves. Also OP's pic.

>But not about herself
youtu.be/ygMPy8RIoQI?t=151

Don't take Dissidia seriously, it's just a fighting game.

Precisely. This and the ending are the only times she speaks about herself. Like Isaid.

They also give them the same weapons too, even Ultimecia's Edea outfit has a gold dress to contrast Rinoa's, and Rinoa has a black/purple dress to contrast Ultimecia's.

Like I said, its death of an author, it never should have been commented on period. Kitase should have said "Who knows, if fans believe that, that's fine, it works." Because it does work, just as it works just fine if it isn't.

No my point was. The creators it isn't true. But then they also do stuff like that with Dissidia. So they want it both ways and encourage the theory.

I'm not gonna remember every part she speaks over 4 discs but what is there is enough to make the whole picture and understand Ultimecia motivations. It's just not in your face with someone breaking it down to you like we're used to.

Yep.

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>When will we see a remake of the best FF game?
We need no remake of FFX. It's perfect as it is.

Ultimecia and Rinoa are constrasts of each other. It's all there is to it.

sry wrong pic

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That's also part of the point of the theory is that they're so similar, just opposites. As I said just a bit ago, Kitase should stop commenting on things. He also backtracked on the FF7/10 connection, despite confirming it long ago in guides and interviews. Nojima also created FFX2.5 and admitted he couldn't remember what he lifted from fanfic and what he actually wrote.

Trusting Square on anything story related at this point is silly, its best for the original games to assume what you want theory wise and let it be that at the end of the day, it works both ways in FF8's case after all, same with the Squall is dead theory, which Kitase also said he liked.

It's a crack pot theory that ultimecia is somehow rinoa from the future

Squall being dead is retarded and would render the entire game and all its characters pointless.

My problem is that it don't work both ways in FFVIII. How can a sourcerer that lives in the far future that like i said had a different story be the same person. It just does not work. It also doesn't need to work because what is there is enough.

Because they don't die of old age and GF mess up people's memories.

Which is why Kitase saying it was a good idea should not be taken seriously, just as anything he says honestly.
Ultimecia can time travel, also Sorcerers don't die unless they pass on their power. And yes, what is there is enough, but the theory works just fine. As I said, both work, either she isn't or she is. Saying one way or the other is just silly regardless of what Kitase has said. FF8 is a better game for the possibility of either or, it's nuanced in that aspect.

Sourceress do die of and they need to pass their powers. I don't know why people think they live immortal lives. No, they just pass on.
Ultimecia cannot time travel physically, all she can do is time travel her consciousness.

Its pretty implied that they can't die. They pass on their powers at their deaths, but the game never explicitly says what happens if they don't pass on their powers, if they still die. Considering the story of Hyne and FF3, its pretty implied that they're immortal and that mortality is a big deal to them.

They can die just not of old age.

I don't get this implication about immortality. I can imagine they being able to prolong their lives somehow but Sourceress have been passing on their powers for aeons. Adding some immortality on top of that would break the lore.

If they live such long time spans, tell me why we never meet some ancient Sourceress in the game.
Reminder that Adel kidnapped a lot of people to try to pass her powers. Why would he do that if he didn't died of old age?

Its a tradition to pass it down and has been since the time of Hyne. Hyne himself being able to split his body in two, and still live despite that. As we see in FF3 with Hyne being a Sorcerer Skeleton. The only other Sorcerers were truly see in the game are Noah and his students, one of them being Xande, who snaps once he is given mortality.

Also you have to think that Ultimecia gave her powers to Edea as well, even though that is only suppose to be a thing they do upon their death, yet she still lives and still has her powers on a technical level.

>Hurr It gonna take years durr
That is a good thing plebs.We gonna have plenty of time to the degenerates take over,screw up and the normality come back.
>FF8 Remake Will have Quistis with bigger tits than Tifa

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But adel is still alive during ff8.

Because they need a worthy successor and those are rare, Rinoa just happened to come along. There is nothing to say one way or the other whether it would have continued happening had Rinoa not been in the equation. It could have gone on for decades, just as it could have also been a disease that was killing Adel as well. Also remember that Adel is still alive, just 'sleeping' in a tomb. Adel doesn't actually die until Squall.

>forgetting that Adel continues to live for 17 years later despite that
Adel basically confirms that they can't die naturally.

Why would Ultimecia be so butthurt about SeeD and dying if she was going to naturally die anyway?

Because she didn't succeed and was entrapped. By Laguna and company on top of that. That stuff didn't happened too long ago. She was just frozen and sent into space because they only subdued her due to a trap.

They're forfeiting their all/part of their power out of tradition? A tyrant is forfeiting power? It doesn't work.

It's what i'm saying, you have to make so many assumptions with these theories. Why not just use the base game. The story is already cool as it is (forget the orphanage please)

That's almost a good point but do you really need to be immortal to not want to die? Knowing the cause of your death is not enough motivation to try and prevent it?

>Because she didn't succeed and was entrapped. By Laguna and company on top of that. That stuff didn't happened too long ago. She was just frozen and sent into space because they only subdued her due to a trap.
Which means Adel would have continued doing it had that not happened, for as long as possible.
>They're forfeiting their all/part of their power out of tradition? A tyrant is forfeiting power?
But they don't though, we see that Ultimecia and Adel both still retain their power, especially with Ultimecia who clearly passes her power on to Edea. In Ultimecia's case its so one of the children doesn't rise up against her, or if you're gonna use the R=U theory, its so Rinoa doesn't specifically get the power and end up in the time loop scenario in which Squall ends up compressed, and everything goes to shit as she slowly degrades and becomes Ultimecia. Remember FF8 is a time loop story, you can argue that yes Ultimecia is the reason her own death occurred by being worried about it in the first place and you'd be right, just as you can assume that if R=U were true and that Sorceresses lived that long, that in an effort to prevent all of it from happening, she is the very reason it happens in the first place. Both work just fine.

If she got rid of SeeD she'd still know the cause of her death would be old age in this scenario. Why not combat that potentiality as well if it was such a huge concern as she does with SeeD?

Which is the worst FF game: FFVIII or FFXIII? Hard to decide.

8 isn't even in the bottom 5.

source?

I'm sure they can extend their lifespan considering how powefull magic can be. All i'm arguing it's not some innate capacity that every sourceress can not die of old age.

Kitase was also not the writer.

I get your pov but i don't know, you just have to create a list of assumptions and ignore some aspects: sourceress can live forever, ultimecia has been alive since squall time, she forgot about Squall and everything about her life from that time and she also became super evil instead of mantaining her good nature.

You can discard all that by just following the main story of the game.

Why imprison someone for ages who is dying of natural causes anyway? lmao

Ultimecia is pure evil,power mad, you invented that backstory

But the main story of the game tells us that GF make the party forget their own past. What would inevitably become of someone who forgets their own past and is consumed by never being able to fully know who they are because they forgot everything about themselves due to GF usage? Would someone like that not go mad? Especially when they have sorceress powers?

Wrong, believe it or not, she has a motivation for her actions.

She has never stated those.

Not him, but I can fix your problems with that.

>Sorceress can live forever
Ultimecia is not that far in the future. Dr. Odine is still alive in her time, it's really not such an insane deal. Dr. Odine worked with Adel and is a middle-age/old man in FF8. There aren't many Sorcereress' that Ultimecia could be at that point.
>Memory Loss
GFs, FF8 goes over this pretty easily and we know that Ultimecia has GFs.
>Super Evil
Squall dies, she is responsible for the compression, and everything that went wrong in their youth, that mixed with memory loss and only vague glimpses can go a long way towards degradation of the mind and character.

Rinoa is still young and she's getting persecuted for being a sorceress

You said, GF. Ultimecia is a Sourceress so her main attribute is the use of Magic, which doesn't cause memory loss. Another layer of assumption, instead of keeping to magic, she has been overusing GF to the point of completely losing the nature of herself. How many GF do we even see her use against us? Only Griever.

Exactly. And once she starts forgetting the details of which (set up by the group not remembering their own childhood due to GFs), she starts being confused, wondering why she was being judged and persecuted. Then she forgets more and more details and goes crazy. Then at some point the only thing she can cling to is the Griever. The symbol of her once lover, whom she cannot remember but a part of her feels this Griever is her only protector.

>How many GF do we even see her use against us? Only Griever.
She also has Tiamat (Corrupted Bahamut) and Omega Weapon (Corrupted Ultima).

You answered your own question.
She has been using Griever, the last remaining memory of her forgotten life.

Ultimecia is from the far future, this is confirmed in the Ultimania book, i'm sure it was stated somewhere in the game as well. And Odine isn't alive in her time, she just use his machine.

Good point

I still don't buyt it. She can be just a sourceress that lived in the far future and everything happens just the same. It doesn't undermine Rinoa's or Squall character that way.
The contrast of being different entities is much more appealing because it shows the power of love/friendship in these stories. If you put R=U in action, it was all in vain and all care Rinoa received accounts for nothing.

why are lalafell so disgusting

Not true. They break the timeloop in the end, BECAUSE of their love. They reunited and beat the time kompression.

But if R=U then DESPITE their love and the friends they made, she becomes evil, a tyrant, kills god knows how many people with her conquering and wars, forget squall and almost destroy the universe. It does undermine it and the moral victory is completely lost.

it depends on how time travel works. Because in some instances of time travel it creates a new timeline each time they travel. So up until the events of FFVIII every time they failed and Rinoa became Ultimecia, creating a new timeline where the same exact events unfold yet again. However, in FFVIII they beat the time kompression, exit the loop, and a new timeline is created where Squall and Rinoa are together and she does not become evil BECAUSE Squall made it. This is why we witness the events of this particular timeline, because this time they made it. The events of FFVIII show us the triumph over the loop and kompression.

FFVII don't ever give a hint of timelines in any form. It's one and only, Squall lives in Ultimecia past and Ultimecia lives in Squall future, which by the end of the game you see the time loop in itself. The kompression is simply condesing not timelines, but events from past present and future to the point where the concepts of past present and future are non existant, therefore the future can not happen and so Ultimecia future can never arrive.
I think the good ending you can get is that someone will defeat Ultimecia because it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy, but she will still happen. There's no hint of being any different.