Xenoblade 1 vs. Xenoblade 2

>xc2babs will disput this

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>Average ost
>AVERAGE ost
i'd say it's on par with 1's, at least- maybe better.
also there's no way xb1 would be getting a remaster if 2 hadn't done as well as it did. xc1fags will dispute this.

I won't defend anything because I have played neither game. What I will do is remind everyone that virgin vs chad isn't supposed to be good vs bad and OP's memeimage is fucktarded as a result.

Thank you.

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I dislike both because they went agressively shonen instead of going for the Evangelion-esque wild ride the Xeno series was known for but yeah, XB1 was at least somewhat playable. XB2 was rushed out of the door with mechanics that are so pants on fire stupid that Korean MMOs are taking notes.

>yes, I prefer xenoblade x, why?

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Stop posting this cucky tumblr image.

how is treating women like garbage a bad thing?

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1 has a worse story, visuals, characters, explorations and OST. Combat is completely terrible compared to 2.

2 has bad character designs but I still prefer them over sacks of potatoes from 1 if I have to look at them for 100 hours.

So... yeah. 1 is pretty much irrelevant, you can't dispute that.

EVERYONE agrees that rex is shit.
Everyone.
This isn't much of an argument to be made here, OP.

He's not what people like about XC2

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Rex is fine, not any worse then your typical protag, his design is just not good. People like to make up other excuses, but design and looks play a huge part in how a character is perceived.

I enjoyed both games about equally and look forward to XBC 3

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Character designs can be bad for various different reasons, nor did I say that was all there was to it. I'm just saying Homura kind of proves my point, she is typically given more leeway than Rex. You will also have higher expectations on a character you relate more to. The halo effect is a real thing.

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>King of JRPG protagonists
That's Rean.

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based

>Women arcs is literally trainwrecks
>Midi orchestra and garage-tier rock
>J U J U

>Rex is fine, calm down.
BASED

I'd like to hear in detail besides why it's bad rock music, without using words like bad or shit tier. If you're going to call it generic give me a specific examples of what those rhythms and notes are. I'm also down for actual music discussion that's not shallow level.

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Both games are great fun but I found Rex a more nuanced protagonist and the XBC2 story better overall.

>pedophilia
Back to twitter you retarded normgoloid.

I loved how varied the soundtrack was while still sounding cohesive.

>pyra keeps her legs closed
>mythra doesn't

Pyra is clearly a more reserved and shy version of Mythra.

I don't defend it, because I like both. This isn't a radical concept to wrap one's mind around. Shulk and Co and Rex and Co are both enjoyable for different reasons.

I didn't mean more fan service you cock, I meant what I said. Filled to the brim with tired anime tropes that it flaunts unabashedly, from its cliche characters to its derivative story. Make no mistake, I AM a degenerate weaboo, but XB2 panders exclusively to low standard pigeons who want the safest, most butter on bread weeb experience possible. It's borderline wretched.

This was made by a femnist cuck

BASED

The only female character with an interesting arc in XB1 is Melia. Sharla's is kind of boring given that she's almost entirely reactive in it and Fiora's just kind of disappears in the end of the game where she becomes flesh and blood again (I think?)
Granted, XB2 only has two interesting female arcs and it's more a function of the increased number of party members but whatever.
Also
>doesn't need to reference other games
I'm sure that's why Alvis looks almost exactly like the Wave Existence in the end of the game

You explained yourself, and still used the word incorrectly, you fucking monkey. Yeah I'm sure some Japanese guys are trying to pander specifically to weebs, and that they know what weebs are (they don't you stupid piece of shit).

>well rounded and interesting story
>engaging and interesting main character
did we play the same game? I thought XB1 was kind of average in its writing. What it does really well though is its story telling: story beats move by at a pretty brisk pace with just the right amount of time spent on them. It makes the main story easy to go through, all in all.
However, on repeat playthroughs, I generally noticed that the writing for the plot events and characters is pretty simplistic as most characters play into their archetype in a really straight way save for Riki. And this actually works to the game's advantage since it lets ensemble scenes have really clear and obvious dynamics between the characters. But that's also a detriment to actually having those characters be three dimensional human beings

The thing about Rex, is that he mostly acts as a paragon of sorts to develop, or help the rest of the cast grow. In a world of nihilism, and imminent despair, he's the only "pure", or optimistic force left. Everyone else is either going to war, being political, or being depressing. Even still, he's honestly really boring as a character.

based.
I think the Shulk party reminds me more of something like Star Wars where the characters are pretty simple but their overall group chemistry is the appeal.
Conversely, I think even though Rex's party doesn't have the same degree of cohesion (Dromarch and Gramps and even Brigid fall to the wayside on many interactions), each individual character generally has more going on in their backstory and development.

Piss off and binge Oreimo for the evening or something if my using a term the way it's colloquially understood instead of it's original definition triggers you so badly. It doesn't deter my point. Xenoblade is a miserable franchise for tasteless stooges.

>Taking shitposts, Chad vs. virgin of all things seriously
Are you for real?
Pneuma is honestly the real MC of XC2/Torna.

>Are you for real?
I'm easily baited, don't make fun of me

That's really why H2H's exist. There's only so much direct character focus you can cram into the main story without it tweaking, or stretching the flow of the pacing. Plus they serve to develop the general bond of the characters, and take a peak inside their heads. If only the affinity requirement wasn't so high to reach the next level. Shit sucks.

All 3 Xenoblade games are good and worth playing.
I don't know why I'm responding in obvious bait thread. Half of you have never touched a single game from this series.

I'm replaying XB1 on dolphin right now
How does XBX hold up on CEMU?

People always try to compare the two titles as if they were intended to have the same general story beats, and mindset behind their development, but they have two entirely different narratives. XC2 has a lot of character focus, but the general focus is mainly in its worldbuilding. XC1 I'd say, is more character driven.

>Pneuma is honestly the real MC of XC2/Torna.
I can kind of agree with this, but she deserved to be treated more like it. XB2 needed to ease up on the Rex focus and let her take the lead more. It's incredibly sad that she doesn't even get to participate in the final H2H before the last boss. Doesn't say much during the final boss fight, either - I don't think she has a single line in the midfight cutscene.
The Torna DLC was so much better at sharing the focus between the most important characters in the party.

>Playing XC1 now
>When Definitive is easily months away
Why

You mean using it in a way that just means someone who watches anime? Yeah, of course it's based off shounen anime tropes just like the first one. Tell me what ever shitty definition you're using, I'd love to hear it.

I played it 2 years ago on CEMU and had problems with only 2 things. Sound (some effects are too loud and music too quiet, so you need a patch to fix this) and had that endless jump glitch (if you sprint and then jump, characters will keep "flying" until you use the warp ability). Other than that, no problems.

I want to refresh my memory of it so I can notice the changes in XB1DE more clearly
I also wanted to evaluate the game's writing in a more isolated way since I know that voice acting quality can actually skew the perception of a story's content, so I'm trying it with japanese dub for the first time

Cool. I give Nintendo 3 more months to announce XBX port for Switch before I bite the bullet and emulate it.

I feel like they got to do more, and give more focus to each character in Torna due to it being a smaller game. It's really just an extension of the base title. That being said though, I agree with that. Pyra didn't get enough development, Mythra honestly lacked in screen time since Pyra took the lead quite a lot, and in general, solely Pneuma should have returned in the ending. Unless it was the result of her not having Zohar power, or some setup for XC3 blah blah, but who knows.

>treats women like garbage
>virgin
i don't know it sounds based to me pal

Makes sense, I guess. Have fun dude! I feel like I'd get burnout from doing that though, personally. You could always just watch the cutscenes or something

Not sure why you're so bent out of shape trying to correct my usage of the word "weeb" like some kind of kissless otaku Batman to begin with. But I have to assume it's autism and, again, it has little to do with my point. So for both those reasons, you can eat shit.

I like how Xeno games have a surface story, and an underlying story below that one. Like XC1 looks like a revenge story on the surface to many people, but below that it's an allegory on the Monadology, and Monad in computer programming. XC2 is the same, but focuses on different aspects.

Well I've been on a general JRPG binge the past couple of months.
Hero getting into Smash inspired me to play through every mainline entry in the DQ series, and I decided to throw FF in there as well so I can see the progression of JRPGs from their earliest days to their more modern incarnations and see what sorts of areas got developed and which were left behind.
The thing that stands out most about XB1 is just how intuitive the UI and everything is. It's pretty clear, even on the Wii, that it got playtested to death and the QoL stuff was given a ton of attention

I'm just shitposting, Ryan. You need to take it easy before I sage you.

True.
It's the difference between the literal events and the larger thematic narratives at play.

I think XC2 had better battle themes, but the general area themes in XC1 are better to me. So it really evens out. There's also a lot of songs you only hear once in XC2, so that doesn't help it much either.

>The story focuses on Rex way too much
Whoa boy don't play many other JRPGs. Compared to them Rex is a side character. This guy singlehandedly killed one of my favorite series by making everything (EVERYTHING) about himself.

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>Unless it was the result of her not having Zohar power, or some setup for XC3 blah blah, but who knows.
Takahashi did say he considered using that form in the ending, so clearly his interpretation of the rules surrounding it don't mean it was impossible for her to have taken that appearance without the power. She was already able to keep using it during the ending without any power source, after all.

Don't know who Ryan is but please don't reply to me or my wife's son's posts ever again.

>another falseflagging civil war operation thread.

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>There are a lot of songs you only hear once
Monolith are the kings of this. They'll have an amazing OST handed to them and then use one song a million times and then use another only like once.

>kissless otaku batman
Just some normalfag. I have no clue why you're even in this thread.

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Yeah man. People say Takahashi fell off as a writer, but I don't think that's quite accurate. If anything, he's improved drastically at making his writing more nuanced, and subtle on many levels. Gears, and Saga for that matter piled on a lot of lore, or general symbolism in a manner that made it feel clustered at times.

Rex is great

This, or they'll use songs that don't have anything to do with said event. Like Egil's theme playing in a number of cutscenes that don't involve him, or Unfinished Battle playing once, and it doesn't even loop. I want Monolith titles beyond to improve on that.

That makes sense, but I think there was still some trace of the Zohar's power present as she used Aion to bomb the orbital station. I really don't know, but if he plans on having the trinity unite again in a sequel or something, I guess it could make sense.

>normalfag
Big kek. Son, I've got three glass cabinets full of figures and statues. I bought tickets to Miku Expo just last week. And with all that said, XB2 was still too rife with exhausted anime tropes at every corner for me to enjoy, that is on top of everything else about it. The whole series is insufferable.

Just think of how many great songs might've been composed for the games, but not used at all. XB2 had a final boss theme that the composer said was one of his favorites, but it went totally unused because Takahashi wanted something with a different focus.

If we do end up getting a proper sequel, I really want the Trinity Processors to have a reunion. I just want to know how they'd respond to one another. Logos is kind of dead, and Pneuma is too, so I don't know. Imaginary Number Domain could be a thing, though.

He's a pretty big stickler on the music direction in these games. I heard he was really strict or something with XC1's OST, and Mitsuda found XC2's composition development to be stressful.

I think the UI needs work, personally. The map didn't need to be on screen during combat. They'll probably make things more sleek for XC1D, though

Bait aside, Definitive should sell really well since there's really nothing releasing this year, so far. Animal Crossing, that PMD DX remake, and XB1 Definitive are the only games we really have dropping. Among other things, it damn near looks like a new game, so that's good.

Another issue with Xenoblade 2 is too many artstyles, because there were too many cooks in the kitchen, resulting in some characters who just don't look right in 3D despite the 2D art looking fine.

Sure you aren't. You reek of normalfaggotry.

My main point wasn't even about the quality of the series in the first place, my point was that you were using a word in a retarded way. You finally worded it in a way that doesn't sound stupid.

I thought most character designs looked fine in 3D. Some just needed more detailed rendering. Besides that, Saito's designs looked kind of generic compared to a lot of the other artists designs. I was like damn, what the hell

For sure, but consider how polished XB1 was for its time, when it came out in 2010
think about what other JRPGs and RPGs were doing at the time and it's kind of astounding how modern XB1 feels today by comparison
I'm sure XB1DE will be another big leap, since it's probably just an excuse for the team to learn how to optimize shit for the Switch

>map didn't need to be on screen during combat
It kinda does for those that run away from battles, but run to the next objective instead of backtracking.

Cringeblades 2 is fucking terrible OP.

Kill yourself for defending it.

It is literally an insult to the franchise.

This, some look like complete shit. What an awful game seriously.

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Huh, that's a good point. I heard they tested the UI for quite awhile before release. I really think beyond the possible retcons, and slapping more Xeno elements into XC1, it's probably just a supervised test for the newcomers at Monolith to familiarize themselves with the series, and developing the worlds.
I don't think this was that big of a deal, but I guess you have a point

I mean, it's as much an insult to XB1 as XB1 is to XG/XS

Not him, but this is such a redundant non argument that I'm honestly baffled. You might as well have not even replied to the obvious bait at hand.

>MFW i put 250+ hours on all the Xenoblade games

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He's perfectly unremarkable. He's the perfect blend of every single shonen anime meek harem MC who is awkward but has a strong sense of justice and is just like me.
I've seen everything he is a hundred times and will see him a hundred more. He brings nothing to the table that couldn't be a minor part of any of the other real characters.

Yeah, it's weird that people think the story focused too much on Rex when the entire middle chunk plus bits in the beginning and end basically don't involve him directly at all.
I mean, it's not DQ4 where the hero only occupies 1/5 of the game's story but it's pretty mild by JRPG standards

>it's probably just a supervised test for the newcomers at Monolith to familiarize themselves with the series, and developing the worlds.
For sure
I mean, given that they're probably reusing most of the written and recorded dialogue, I really don't see how much actual design work there would be for the studio. So it seems more likely that they're using this project as a ramp-up for their new studios so that they don't run into an XB2 situation regarding optimization, where everyone who was getting any sort of deeper insight into how to optimize on the Switch was off working on BOTW

What bait?

>implying I finished the game
The game was garbage my dude, sorry for not sinking 40 more horus into it to get to the good part.

Kill yourself.

X> 2 > 1

All Xeno games are kino though

Is Xenoblade X longer than XBC2? And is it slower than XBC2? I'll start it tonight.

The narrative justification for it is kino though

Hell no. There's far less story. World is far bigger than both mainline games, though

>longer
no since most of xenoblade 2 is locked behind gacha meaning about half of your playtime is going to be spent on the fucking blade screen rolling for rares so you can get their quests or whatever.
>slower
yes. by the first 10 minutes of xenoblade 2 you are given the worlds strongest blade straight up and by comparison you don't even get your mecha 10 hours into xenoblade x

xenoblade x likes taking its time.

It's different, it's more like a daily life in the Xeno universe simulator than a heavy narrative game like the rest of the series. The side quests and world map are insanely cool.

Shulk himself is entirely average aside from his revenge arc. Rex being worse doesn't make Shulk good. Part of Rex's problem isn't so much him as it is how he is a 'pure shining beacon of light in an otherwise cynical world'. That shit is done to death and Japs need to fuck off with it.

I'd actually be interested in seeing the reverse, but god forbid we get an actually interesting protagonist.

>Treats women like garbage
Exact opposite. Rex treats women almost to a childish degree. When it comes to the game itself, women are respected (one of them is an Aegis, a god in their world).

>Pedophillia
Where?

>Average OST
With a game that has Roaming The Wastes? Still Move Forward? Tantal Night? Good try.

>Tried to xb1+x characters but gave them terrible art and models
They're the most expressive in the Xenoblade triolgy. XC Definitive Edition will benefit from copying the same.

>Bad Voice Acting
>Playing Dub

>Bad Artstyle
It has vibrant colors and distinguishing features, compared to Xenoblade 1 which has a problem having no art desinger and XCX having no identity. The only problem is Switch limitations

>Tora
What about him?

>Is a mii costume
OK.

I like Rex a lot, but then again I also like Justin from Grandia 1. They are very similar

I'm glad that they're playing their cards smoothly these days. I think they have 200 members, and 3 studios now, so it's a lot to manage. That being said though, we really don't know just how much has changed for Definitive. I'm assuming we'll find out in the next trailer, but at the end of the day, most of the material was already present from the original XC1. I heard new lines were recorded from Shulk's VA, so I assume some form of new story content might appear. Especially with the Shoulder around and all.

>XC2 has gacha and skill grids for each gacha unit
>you have to max out shops to buy full run speed
>X has bigger world
>you can run right away
>once you get skell the world is small besides the ocean
Define what exactly is long

>this entire post
LMAO

based

t. Didn't play the game, or got filtered by tutorials and didn't read them

Both Rex and Shulk do the same "single-target sexuality while being ignorant of any other women who are in love with them" thing. Hell actually Rex is more mature than Shulk in that regard since he does actually recognize Nia's feelings for him in spite of being Pyra-sexual, while Shulk is totally ignorant of Melia.

>Taking shitposts seriously
Dude, lmao.
Shulk's whole issue for me, was that he was really establishing his own identity, since he was apparently a soulless Zanza puppet for most of the game. His revenge quest, wasn't entirely his own design, but "God's". God isn't even really God either, but an egotistic scientist with a cosmic battery, but I digress.

How does that make him more "mature"? I'm pretty sure Nia just flat out said she loved Rex beforehand anyway, so he'd be a complete pinhead to not realize her feelings. In Shulk's instance, Melia is just a downright unspoken individual who doesn't know how to express her feelings. It's less his issue, and more Melia's.

Long as in I don't want to play another 60 hours game, but the mecha thing makes me think I'd like this game a lot (even tho I usually don't like RPGs).
Also, I hate all the weeb shit in XBC2. X and XBC1 are ok and don't have all that shit, right?

>having this much autismo
Come on son

>Weeb shit
>Japanese RPG made by a Japanese company
I'll never get tired of these redundant comments. These threads seriously lack awareness.

Problem with the Zanza puppet thing is that it just kinda comes up, and has no real influence on anything else involving his character. Also his revenge quest was horribly written because it revolved entirely around Fiora, so instead of getting genuine growth from it we just got him doing an instant 180 because she was alive all along.

Rex only didn't get it in the heat of the moment, as it was also admittedly very poor timing on Nia's part. Meanwhile Shulk cannot even comprehend being attracted to anyone who isn't Fiora. I bet anything Shulk would take it the same way as Rex initially did.

XCX literally has an anime artstyle; they all do. The whole series does. I remember people making fun of Potato face before it released, also something about censorship.

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Sounds like you a ADD-Riddled Zoomer who can't pay attention to anything more than 10 minutes

The issue with Rex is that he doesn't exactly grow from his development, and even in the final chapter, he has issues with letting Pneuma go. Besides that, he's mostly a bland, optimistic character. That's what the narrative needed for the setting, so he fulfills his role, but honestly Pneuma is a better protagonist. She has her own issues though, since her character is split between two individuals, so eh

>this much projection
TOP KEK

>TOP KEK

Jesus christ, don't tell me you joined because of gamergate

>Shulk can't comprehend being attracted to anyone who isn't Fiora
You do realize that they have more chemistry, and a longer built relationship, right? That, and again, Melia literally didn't express how she felt. She let Fiora skip around him without saying a word when she returned to the party. He probably would react like Rex, maybe not. We won't know for sure until Definitive, since more Melia content is going to happen, more than likely.

X's weebshit is weird, it's like weebshit in the way a westaboo series would be weebshit, like say Metal Gear but this is more Sci-fi. XBC1 is debatable since it's a nice looking shonen thanks to the Wii being a great console for graphics, and it's only really as weebshit as you think it is kinda like how Naruto can be weebshit or normieshit depending on how you see it as a person.

To be honest that whole situation for that was contradictory. They already gave him shit for letting her go, then they give him shit for not wanting to let her go.

I think Rex would have worked better if he weren't so damn optimistic. Have him start out kinda like everyone else but his quest gradually makes him more optimistic about the future. It'd make him look more like an example based on change rather than simply having "heroic eyes."

XBC2 is full of missed opportunities though, even if I think the writing got stronger the further in the game it went. The whole thing with Pneuma/Mythra/Pyra is a perfect example. So much could have been done with their characters but instead Pneuma is just an upgrade with almost no screentime, Mythra has some development but not much screentime in the main game and Pyra has by far the most screentime but is totally shallow.

If I couldn't get over anime faces, I'd never be able to finish XBC2.
I see that I haven't expressed myself very well. I don't want to see sexualized girls in my video games, its cringe. That's it. Snake's ass is fine.

yeah, it was generally pretty interesting that they ended up literally being actually explicitly non-human but born from human inspiration was pretty interesting

Being a hypocrite isn't ok if you're gay, y'know?

It didn't just "come up", when it was foreshadowed time and time again throughout the story before Zanza even emerged. There's so many instances of another entity residing within Shulk before it's made directly apparent, that it's not even funny.

As for the personal ramifications for this, Shulk didn't know if his life was even his own, or if he had an identity to begin with. The issue is that this happens so late in the story, that there's no time to really build on it. For the last point, I wouldn't really say he did a 180 since he was still hesitant towards the Mechon, and didn't really begin to understand that they share the same pain as him until Mayneth's flashback, and his encounter with Egil.

>I see that I haven't expressed myself very well. I don't want to see sexualized girls in my video games, its cringe. That's it. Snake's ass is fine.
When you put it that way, they're fine as long as you don't actively seek the optional sexy outfits.

>Gave him shit for letting her go
Because he was literally going to give up on her, and fuck off because he lost a fight. Meanwhile, Pneuma was suicidal the whole time, and thought people would be better off without her. Rex thought he was holding her back, but the whole time he didn't understand her pain. That was the narrative point of that.
>Gave him shit for trying to hold on
In this instance, he was trying to aid her in something he couldn't possibly assist with. She was the only one who could stop the destruction of Earth, and she knew it. What Rex needed to do in this instance, was put faith in her, and hope things worked out okay instead of being clingy.

I seriously think people don't understand writing in these threads.

>The issue is that this happens so late in the story, that there's no time to really build on it.
This is pretty much what I was getting at and why I said it just came up. There wasn't really any points early on where we saw Shulk struggling with any sort of identity issues since he didn't know he had them.

And his feelings towards the Mechon was still a pretty heavy turn that was based almost entirely on Fiora. It's why I feel that the story would have been stronger if she had stayed dead and it really was just Mayneth in there.

>Shulk's whole issue for me, was that he was really establishing his own identity
The issue for me is that Shulk already had his own identity, Zanza was just getting in the way after the Mechon attacked Colony 9.
I actually consider the whole Zanza twist to be largely detrimental to Shulk's development since it completely undoes any sort of arc or change he might've otherwise have undergone because it turns out every violent thought he's ever had was someone else's. Which is interesting in its own right but the issue is that the game makes it so abundantly clear that Zanza is an umambiguously malicious entity that you can very clearly separate Shulk's 'bad' qualities and put them on Zanza and he's left intact as the inoffensive young engineer that we knew from the beginnign of the game and throughout.
I don't know, I think if they made Zanza a bit more complex and more grey as a character, then you could have an interesting situation for Shulk where he has to wrestle with trying to figure out what parts of his past behavior were actually him. That ambiguity isn't really there in the base game

Because of Snake's ass? I mean, its kinda funny and not really a frequent thing. It's much different than playing a game such as pic related. Don't you feel any shame? I mean, I assume you don't always play alone in your basement and sometimes theres ppl around you when you are playing
Optional is fine. Thanks.

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Pneuma definitely could have been written far better. It's mainly because Pyra doesn't really grow as a character despite having the most screentime, and Pneuma not being a permanent form in terms of the story. Gameplay implications are different.

If you like Xenoblade X you'll love an actual MMO where there's substance.

never played xeno 2

are pyra and mythra likable characters or just coomer bait? i see them everywhere here 2 years out

>since more Melia content is going to happen, more than likely.
I hope not. I don't want to see how they can make her suffer even more.

Not really. I wouldn't design her like that but it's just a character design, and since she's not human she doesn't necessarily have to be "realistic" in that regard.

Also seems pretty backwards to imply that starring at Snake's nice ass is fine but a woman having big tits is somehow wrong if that's what you mean. Not even talking about bunny girl, but just Mythra or something.

this

Yeah, I can see this. The issue is, people seem to think that every action Shulk takes, or emotion that drives Shulk, is solely derived from Zanza. I'm sure Shulk was butt hurt as hell when Colony 9 got smoked, Fiora got cut to ribbons, and Melia's father died as examples, but Zanza acted as an amplifier to these thoughts, and feelings. Something like spraying gasoline on a fire, it just kindled the flame even further.

Zanza himself isn't even really a character, but more so the Monadology philosophy personified, so it's kind of strange. I thought it was handled well for what it was, but things could have been executed in better fashion. Probably if Zanza's backstory ever got shown or something, but I digress.

I don't get why people point to this design. It's stupid but pretty innocent. Her tits are big, so what? Average cup size in America is like DD now and just keeps growing

They'd probably just give her some closure like they did with Nia, since Melia's feelings are largely ignored for the most part.
That would have caused an issue in and of itself, since Mayneth sacrifices herself to save Shulk, and his group.

Everything is sexualized these days, so I don't really see the issue with pic related. It's a goofy design, but people exaggerate it. If anything, people look for things to get offended about.

Still a bit contradictory. You could argue he put "faith" or what ever bullshit word you want to use by leaving her to defend herself against Torna, and things would turn out "ok" without him. It's was a shitty turnaround and could have been done better.

She already realizes it isn't happening and gives up on him, so there are only two ways she could get any more closure. One would be to firmly establish that she has really gotten over him and can move on. The other is that she confesses and he rejects her. The latter is more likely and would only serve to shit on her even harder.

Still a bad example. It would have been worse in that situation since he would have virtually been handing her over to Torna, so Malos could regain his destructive powers as an Aegis.

Yeah, she gives up without saying a word. In other words, she proceeds to hold her feelings in as she always does. Having her actually express her feelings, and in turn have them discussed, and likely let down easily in a Nia situation would be proper closure.

I'm just saying it was handled badly, it would have made more sense for him to have gone after pyra without the whole bullshit of him giving up, only to then have the ending be that garbage.

>that design
peak weebshit game

Not even Dead or Alive goes that far.

>Being let down easily is getting shit on
How? It's not like anyone expects him to say "nah, fuck you Melia, have fun being alone for the rest of your life".

Well to be fair, he got utterly bodied in that fight to the point where his spirit got smashed pretty badly. Narratively, the point was that Rex almost gave into despair, but continued to remain optimistic and everything paid off.

The mech hilariously enough is the worst part of XCX.

Yeah, Xenoblade is sorta like Chrono Trigger: a simplistic story with great pacing

>she confesses
>he rejects her as nicely as possible
How would this add anything to her other than having been outright rejected instead of passively rejected? Again she already gives up on him so there's nowhere further to go there.

I mean, I really get embarrassed for playing a game with this kind of thing. I originaly mentioned Snake's ass as a joke, but I do think it isn't the same thing. I'm playing, so I'm not explaining the obvious reasons why that is to some random people on Yea Forums that probably don't want to accept.

Far too big boobs like in XBC2 have no good reason to be there and it is really cringe. Get some socially normal friends and do normal people shit and someday you will understand.

Because again, Melia's issue is that she doesn't know how to properly express her feelings. That's a key part of her character that isn't really resolved. Saying fuck it, I'm giving up, is essentially avoiding confrontation entirely. Even if she'd more than likely get let down, the end result is different.

People like you seem to consider anything about a C cup as "far too big boobs" and that's being generous. I'm not talking about giga-tits like Dahlia. Hell even Samus was too big for you apparently, since you keep bringing up Snake's ass.

>Far too big boobs like in XBC2 have no good reason to be there and it is really cringe.

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I think the only difference would be that Melia would be even more heartbroken.

Absolutely, I agree with this take. My only issue is that Zanza also doesn't seem to ever amplify anything other than the negative aspects of Shulk, and there's no fault or accountability on Shulk's end for wanting to seek revenge, it gets entirely lumped onto Zanza.
XB1 gets top gnosticism points from me but it doesn't balance those lofty ideas as well as it could with its characterization

Samus? ZSS is fine. Maybe there is something to do with how they portray the girls in XBC2. I don't really know what it is, but they don't just make characters with big tits and just ignore that for the rest of the game. They always go back to overexposing shit with camera angles in cutscenes or something. Big tits are fine, just don't focus in it to lure the avarage Yea Forums user into buying the game.

My friends aren't stuck up cunts, so unfortunately I can't relate.

i have no idea what people's problem with rex is. Even if he's young he's not totally immature, he gets punished when he's in over his head rather than rewarded for it and his arc goes from a nobody that's comfortable standing by the sidelines to opposing the church. I think the way he became more assertive was more subtle than in other JRPGs so his shift from teen to planetary savior felt more natural. the only thing I find offensive about Rex are his combat lines.

i'm an oldfag though so the 90s feel of xbc2 really appealed to me. although totally different I felt like it was in same essence as something like Outlaw Star with the journey and party accumulation. i like to see optimistic young people because i'm fucking sick of aloof and cynical teens

I don't think it'd work if Zanza amplified anything but negative emotions, since he has a particular grudge against the Mechonis, and mostly used Shulk as a vehicle to get there. On the flip side, I can see where people get the mindset that "Shulk can do no wrong", since Zanza was driving his actions. There really isn't a time where Shulk is punished for not seeking vengeance either, since most of the cast are jaded in their views of the Mechonis as a whole. If Shulk had started killing Machina for no real reason, then people would have likely questioned the depth of his revenge, and opted for more morally grey pretext, but that's another story. Ironically when Shulk decides not to take revenge against Egil, he gets popped, and forced to analyze himself so he can walk down his own path. So yeah, the characterization could have been stronger, but for what it's worth, the story flows smoothly.

>Getting this heated about boobs in a fictional Japanese role playing game
You're exaggerating, and it's not that big of a deal. Simple, just play it while no one is home. Problem solved.

For sure. I think XB1's strength is actually something that isn't directly acknowledged in story analyses but it's that its pacing and storytelling are top notch. While the writing itself has issues, it's not that big of a deal, particularly for an adventure story, since the tension and intrigue in the story escalate and decline at a really masterful pace.
At least until the Klaus reveal which I feel was completely unnecessary in base XB1

Most males just don't like playing as a plucky kid. They want to play as someone silent and aloof and attractive or as a big muscled middle-aged guy.
I had no problems with Rex. He wasn't amazing or anything but he was serviceable to the plot and surprised me in a few spots. He also didn't steal the spotlight from the rest of the crew, I felt.

I was referring to the whole thing with Smash and how the 'nerfs' to Samus' body were considered good while those to Snake's ass were considered bad. The way you were talking made it sound like the typical double standard that is heard from those who speak out against "sexualization of women."

As far as XBC2 goes, I think they are just their for obvious sex appeal, but the game doesn't really do much else with them. They are just there most of the time. I'd agree that Dahlia's are over the top but it's not something that would make me embarrassed to use her. I don't use her because she's not that good.

I also hear those who defend the 'de-sexualization' of Western games say that no one should care about whether the women are all hot/have big boobs or not, as it's not a big deal. And yet when they do have big boobs it is apparently a huge deal.

Dead or Alive has a more realistic aesthetic, so no shit it doesn't go as far.

>treats women like garbage
>pedophilia
>art director is a hentai artist
>negatives
go back

>aloof and cynical teens
Are we in Yea Forums or even Yea Forums? Not many series have teenage protagonists in Vidya besides recent FF

It's needs a mention of the fact that shulk murders Rex's God

>They want to play as someone silent and aloof and attractive or as a big muscled middle-aged guy.
Speak for yourself asshole.
If i get to play as fucking Frank West then im all for it.

I simply don't play the games I think will have these kind of thing. Not a big deal, but I get kinda sad because if not for these moments, I'd say I really liked XBC2 (one of the few JRPGs I've ever finished). Persona 4 is an exemple of a JRPG that I've played and really enjoyed and
it doesn't have nor need that kind of appeal. And in my opinion it wouldn't be as good if it had.

>i like to see optimistic young people because i'm fucking sick of aloof and cynical teens
The fuck are you playing? The average JRPG protagonist is the "optimistic boy hero with a strong sense of justice."

That makes sense. It's especially amazing, considering this was their first real take on a massive adventure title like that. At least XC1D will flesh out the Experiment scene properly this time around, and likely give it more depth. I want more depth for Galea, and Zanza too, but eh. I heard in the Iwata Asks interview, that the ending they originally had in mind for XC1 was different than what we ended up getting. The entire ending might change, honestly.

in real life

>bad character designs

Nah. XC2 had some of the most memorable designs of this gen

>treats women like garbage
but that's chad!

Well, I think what matters is how you make the character and if its around the sexual appeal or not. I agree that woman characters shouldn't be "hot" and bland, and only there to be the sex appeal for the game. I haven't played MGSV, but take Quiet for exemple. Her character is clearly oversexualized, but I'd guess there's much more to it than just her boobs.
People just don't want to be treated like mongoloids who get into a game because of a character's look and don't really give a shit if it adds anything to the game or not... Also this used to be one of my fav blades and it would look like shit in comparasion if it had huge boobs

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Who literally cares? There are sexualized male blades too

Why should anyone care about what detractors say? They are not the customers

Well she still has breasts, but that's a part of design variety. If you're gonna have a lot of females, there should thus be a lot of different looks. And yes, some of them would probably have large breasts. Doesn't mean they can't have anything else to their characters. Incidentally Dahlia's breasts have nothing to do with her as a character.

Also for the record it isn't just boobs. Quiet for example has a nice body, albeit partially for Kojima's point of 'being ashamed ', but her face ruins her. And the game wouldn't have been any better if she were fully covered and had smaller tits.

>Story/Visuals
Story and visuals are no longer an issue thanks to XC1D, and are arguably the best art we've had in Xenoblade yet, so those points are mute.
>Characters
Characters is subjective, since a lot of people liked the general group dynamic they had over 2's, and vice versa. Although I will say that the main cast in 2 was strong as well. Particularly, Torna.
>OST
OST is definitively subjective since a lot of people find 1's OST better. You can't really say one is better than the other since both are masterfully composed.
>Exploration
Exploration between games varies, but I prefer the overly connected world, and general scale of the Titans more in XC1. It feels like you're actually journeying across two giant life forms, whereas XC2's Titans are mostly miniature countries.
>Gameplay
Yeah, sure. 2's is better than 1's to an extent. A little too easy outside of Challenge Mode, or Bringer of Chaos (which is paid DLC), but whatever. I'd say XC2 mainly excels at the combat, world building, and plot from Chapter 6 onwards. Otherwise, the first game has better presentation, scale, and first half.

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2's combat is too easy to exploit, and it really pulled the challenge out of a lot of the game. You could have little knowledge of the other aspects of the combat, and get by solely on abusing the chain attack, and orb busting. If you know how to exploit driver combos, fusion combos, and etc, it's even easier. Sure 1's combat may boil down to toppling enemies a lot, but at least the super bosses put up a threat.

>And the game wouldn't have been any better if she were fully covered and had smaller tits

But that's because she has substance as a character, right? She has something besides a nice body and that is why sexualizing her is fine

Not him, but her character isn't the issue. Her having big tits isn't the issue. It's just the design itself, really. She just looks awkward to a lot of people

Eh sorta. I haven't played MGS5 since release and I have kinda forgotten a lot about her. But what you said right there could just as well apply to a number of the XBC2 girls, including Dahlia. Not so much Pyra though because she's intentionally bland for waifubait purposes.

I find funny that here in America is more acceptable to see someone playing Mortal Kombat but XC2 isn't, while in Japan is the complete opposite, and if I'm not wrong, Mortal Kombat is forbidden in Japan lol

What you mean? Dahlia is just an ice bunny thing with huge boobs. Besides that she only throws some powers and shit to help in battle... No substance

>bland for waifu purposes
I don't know what you're talking about. It's typically the main character that's is made bland for the sake of being relatable. Men just love hot women, be it they are submissive or more outgoing.

Violent shit don't have the same cringy akwardness some sexual stuff can have
I get that this reply is exactly what you are talking about, and I just said that because our culture sees that in that way tho

Not sure what you qualify as substance, but if you'd played her side quest you'd see she has character.

The main character and main love interest are typically made bland. The main character for reasons as you say, and the main girl because the most prominent waifu needs to be safe and inoffensive. And maybe because Japan just loves their yamato nadeshikos and genki girls.

Sexual stuff is only awkward because we as a society have been conditioned to think it so. Meanwhile Japan is more likely to find extreme violence distasteful.

I don't get what you're saying, I just read a fucking LN about a girl who slept around with men for places to stay. Japan doesn't just like yamato nadeshikos, and the popularity of tsunderes would be a counterpoint, also. Bland shit applies mostly to protags. Well, intentionally bland, that is.

X

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Well, I didn't play her side quest. I still think that in her case the boobs are just for weird weeb sex appeal and are super unecessary to be that huge, but its good that they actually made her have character besides what they initially show her as

based

Tsunderes are more of an anime thing. I mean that in the same way that childhood friends rarely win in anime but almost always win in video games. And in this case, while we do have Mythra, she takes a backseat to Pyra, who is the main love interest.

So what, you just looked at her and immediately judged her as having no substance without even giving her a chance to show otherwise?

I just looked at her and immediately judged her as having a disguntingly shit design and put her away as soon as possible because of that. I'm just saying that it's good to know that even tho she's that thing, there's more to her than just that.

Nothing wrong with them being that huge. She already has long bestial limbs and enormous rabbit ears and paws, so having huge tits is a non-issue.

Sure, if it works for you. To me it makes the whole thing look like a furry RPG with fetishized characters. I don't think of that of XBC2 when I don't see that thing tho

I like him, he's perfectly fine. He's the Jean or Pazu of Alrest.

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I love the artwork this game generated. That, and artbooks are always my favorite thing about the release of a new Xeno title. I want XC1D to spark new interest in art as well, but it's a bit older. It'll definitely have more sales than its initial releases, so I'm faithful.

>To me it makes the whole thing look like a furry RPG with fetishized characters
If you wanted to base the entire game off of a single side character you could just as well say Wulfric makes the whole thing look like an Alien fan fiction then.
In fact, given the lore there should probably be more unique animal and animal/human hybrid blades in the game than there are.

Currently emulating xeno x and absolutely love it
Whats the consensus? Seems tp be not that well recieved if you are only discussing 1 vs 2. Explain this to me then, how did we jump from the serious tone of x to anime dekai ugu sogoi garbage that is 2?

For one, X, and the mainline aren't connected, so they aren't going to have similar tones, or really even the same mindset behind their creation, I personally love X, and think it has big potential, but I do notice the issues it has. Personally, they could have did a better job at implementing some of the more story relevant side quests into the main story, and really touching up the models. If XCX2 has more story focus, while keeping the world equally as huge, I'd be excited. X really just needs more plot, better mech designs, and better model quality overall, and it'd be perfect for me.

I have none of these complaints so far but im only 4 hours in. How probable is a sequel to x?

The only reason it isn't well received is because
>Less plot, and general story, when that's an important aspect of Xeno games
>Models are kind of jarring, look like potatoes
>Music is overly subjective, mostly stemming from NLA theme memes
>Combat filtered a lot of people because of how complex it was, and it wasn't exactly explained in enough depth for many (I find it better than XC2, personally)
>Not enough balance in combat, especially when you unlock mechs
Otherwise, the world, quests, and world building were some of the best in the series.

Apparently they want to remake XCX1 for reasons, but I assume the main reason stems from the fact that the original plot is waaaay different than what we ended up with. XCX felt more like the development of a new HD engine, more than anything. As far as sequels go, it's more than likely going to happen since they want to make an X2. When that'll happen? Maybe it'll be the next Xeno game. It feels like we're jumping between story based titles, to exploration based titles, and vice versa. Or really just the mainline, and X.

>DON'T FORGET ME got patches
I'm still mad

An X sequel is likely, but I don't know when. Schedule for Xeno might be
>XB1D > XB3 > XBX2 > XBX1D > XBX3
I feel like XB3 has a big chance of happening next since it might just conclude the "main" part of the series, unless there's going to be more.

A sequel would be awesome, i think xeno x is one of the best mmos i have played so far and i think itll only get better since i have basically no playtime in that game

> Tora
Just listening to him speak proves the point

>MMO
I hope they pull out the multiplayer shit in the sequel, since I heard it apparently messed with the development

>it's a smashfags try to divide the Xenoblade fanbase episode
>again

Only good post in this garbage thread.

X >>> Fake """Xeno""" trash

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>smashfags
They're literally the only people that give a shit about Rex, they wouldn't be praising XC1 over their boy's game.

No, it's just Genofag doing his thing as usual
X is budget Xenosaga, and you've likely never played it. Post your hours if you respond to me

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>Genofag
I'm lost, which of the 10 boogeymen is this?

>XC2 babies posting reddit tier memes

Damn...

How was the mp part of x?

I didn't enjoy Xenoblade Chronicles 2's story as opposed to the first. Maybe it was because of the dialogue and interactions between the cast but Rex and Pyra are unenjoyable. Rex is a bland shounen nigger and Pyra isn't even a character. The story tries to retrace itself back to Xenoblade 1 by the end but man the story was unappealing and had no high notes for me. World map is great though, loved exploring the well-crafted world but the story ruins it.

NOOOOOOO NOT MY NARRATIVE!

>if you keep answering "No" in this cutscene, you keep getting the zoom-in

Everyone but Pyrafags agree that Rex and Pyra are the weakest of the main party, but the rest of the main cast is pretty solid, as are the antagonists.

Honestly it was pretty weak, but you could get a lot of nice gear out of it

Unironically based virgin poster, put them in their place.

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Smashfags couldn't play Shulk's game. It didn't come out on what they can consider a console.

I personally think Tora's relevance falls to the wayside after Chapter 4, and both Morag, Zeke, and their Blades barely contribute to much at the end of the day. Their development is more subtle, as they're really just guardian figures who observe the party, and do political shit, but meh.

>but the rest of the main cast is pretty solid
I'd agree, but everyone but Nia and Poppi had like 1 chapter to shine, and Poppi only shines because Rex and Pyra can't do shit she can like fly. Main antagonists were good, but they threw the 3 that weren't Malos and Jin into the trash fast.

could you at least play with real human beings and explore the world or was it dragons dogma gimmick tier multiplayer

XC2's cast gets overhyped to oblivion. The best part of the cast is really just Jin, Malos, Amalthus to a degree, Poppi, Nia, and I guess Pneuma as a whole, but Pyra kind of ruins it.

But I need that honestly... I mean it doesn't make or break a game because I still finished it but it enhances my enjoyment a lot when I get a good story alongside good gameplay.

I like Morag and Zeke a lot so I agree, It's just that at some points Rex got really, really annoying with his optimism and lack of self-awareness. Antagonists honestly didn't resonate with me, didn't give a shit about the group, Malos or Amalthus

>Into the trash, fast
Ahkos, Mikhail, and Patroka survived until the end of the game. Mik got more focus in Torna as a child, but otherwise they could have used more development.

I think Mythra was actually ok as someone who doesn't really like tsunderes, although most of it came as a result of Torna. In the main game she doesn't really get much screentime sadly.

Nope, it was awkward to say the least
You're sick

>You're sick
Thank you

>Nope, it was awkward to say the least
Thank you

>Pyra doesn't develop as a character, or have her own personal issues aside from Mythra, despite having the most screen time
>Mythra barely has any major screen time, and suffers from lack of development as a result
>Pneuma is the true form, but is treated as a power up
You really have to count each form as part of the whole, or else they're fucked, character wise.

Ahkos felt like a character because his blade was destroyed and his blade had some bullshit powers, but then Mythra's bullshit powers made Mikail and Patroka blades irrelevant besides making them into 2 phase boss battle if it was 2 phase I don't remember, and after this Mikail was the only one that kinda was a character because he had a different backstory.

You're welcome, how are the animals

With the scenes were you talk to both of them, and name Pneuma, they already fucked up with that regard.

Pneuma was barely a character but the other two are distinct enough to be counted as two different personalities. But Pyra stays bland and Mythra's screentime is in Torna.

Basically you're saying their relevance died when they lost their Blades. I can't say that isn't true, but at the same time they aren't thrown away either.

>shulk not bland as fuck and not just giving a pass due to his voice and looks

But yeah, I can see those being the reason for not liking 2.

Shulk's virgin autism was pretty funny at least.

It's more the fact we immediately broke Akhos right away, and the others basically are just already chumps since we beat them(this is a shonen and they don't get any powerups), it's not like they team up with Malos or Jin like that fight against Akhos and Malos at chapter 3. Overall they're just kinda generic bad guy minions after that because the game had Rex powercreep so hard in the story they became irrelevant besides their interactions.

I will never play or give a fuck about Chronicles because the artstyle was total asscancer, maybe the remake I will try.

Well then it's too bad the game itself doesn't seem to be sure what it wants you to do. On one hand you get Rex saying that he thinks of them as two parts of the same being. But then he clearly favors Pyra, who gets 90% of the screentime, and at the end they split into two anyway.

I feel like without Pyra Mythra could have been a legit great character, but it feels like everything she got in Torna was basically just a means to result in Pyra. It kinda feels like Pyra is the culmination of everything Mythra goes through, but then Mythra is still there. It's weird and unfortunate since Mythra is never given much chance to shine and Pyra is just a flat character.

>Yea Forums finds austism likable and funny
Checks out, I guess.

I hope Xeno DE has cute girls

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There's never been a bad autistic character in Japanese media

The only coombait party memeber in the original game gets forgotten early on, and is the worst in combat.

The only other coombait party member was cut before the game even came out.

>But then he clearly favors Pyra

Not really. Pyra is the easier form to talk to for obvious reasons. But he never favors either one.

The reason Mythra created Pyra was so she could actually be less threatening and communicate her feelings better.

I have 175+ on xc2 without torna

what'd they look like, show pls

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This is one, the other is a spoiler.

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I think the world and lore had potential, but the story just sucked. They want you to feel sad at Vandham's death, but it was so fucking corny it was laughable. Then there were all those other non-deaths (Azurda, Niall, Mythra/Pyra) - played for drama and emotion, then reversed the next minute. The villians' motivations were unclear for most the game, then laughable when revealed.

It's not that hard to understand.
>In Torna, Mythra is awakened with a bratty, uncaring, and overly dense personality towards humanity, the relationship between Drivers/Blades, and what it means to be an individual
>She steadily begins to develop these bonds, and understand humankind, and etc
>The fight with Malos leaves her mind broken, and distraught, as she essentially nukes a country, and gets her shota catboy killed in the process
>She can't cope with this loss, and lack of comfort or support from her supposed friends, so she retreats into her own mind, and develops another personality that is about as fragile as her
>Timeskip to the main game, her only real course of action is stopping Malos, and dying since she views herself as a weapon of mass destruction
>She primarily lets Pyra engage with the party, as she possesses all the traits that people wanted Mythra to have, and in essence is the perfect version of herself
>After awakening, she steadily grows closer and closer to her new group of friends, and eventually lets go of her fear, and looks forward to the future with newfound faith in herself, with her true form awakening as a symbol of this
The issue is, Pyra should have faded away after this happened. Really Mythra should have too, but she's less offensive.

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she's the cut character? cause I assume a cut character wouldn't be spoilers. the other one gets forgotten early on so how is it spoilers? damn my tiny brain isn't able to get around this info

Somewhat, but Pyra also came about due to trauma, as a sort of auto-pilot that Mythra could hide behind. It's also notable that Pyra embodies everything Mythra wishes she could be, or what she believes others want her to be; the idea of a perfect woman. And it's sad that she's kinda right.

And no he clearly favors Pyra. Even after being introduced to Mythra, the majority of his interactions are with Pyra, and he's always screaming Pyra's name. He would obviously call Pneuma Pyra as well, in spite of the choice. I find it hard to believe that in the aftermath of the game he would have any reason to be romantic with Mythra when Pyra is now her own being.

Nah, the cut character is the spoiler.
The cut character appears in the game and has a minor role in the story, she's just not playable, but an element of her design contains a bit of spoiler.

Pyra is an individual, as the narrative likes to show you, but she's still a byproduct of Mythra's trauma at the end of the day. A lot of the character development in this game is more on the subtle side

Both merging/fading away into Pneuma would've been kino. Would've given us a merged/new personality to interact with but no sorry, we need our waifus to be alive and marketable for figures

Pyra is basically the perfect version of Mythra that she created to support herself mentally, and also develop herself without having to go through all the work. She's like a less fleshed out, or more awkward version of ID from Gears.

DE will have the cutest of girls!

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>being this dense
>possibly more dense than Rex ingame

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>Vandham's death
OH right, I remember the sentence "what a cliche" uttered by Akhos. He was right, that whole cutscene was some cliche garbage. Good 4th wall breaking there.

oh ok thanks bro. thanks for not spoiling, planning to play the definitive edition once its out

Dense? I'm not dense because this nigger couldn't use words properly. He already explain what he actually meant, not the original garbage he spouted.

I mean that technically did happen, user. It just wasn't a permanent unison. You could argue that the Zohar disappearing, and Pneuma in general giving Rex her core probably tampered with her ability to remain in her Pneuma form, but I don't know. I like to imagine that Pneuma will return in XB3 or something, but that's random speculation.

Except the problem is that Mythra does develop herself. Even within the main game we can see that with what screentime she does get. So that would thus make Pyra seem entirely pointless. I agree with in that at the very least Pyra should have faded away, or ideally both merge into Pneuma and serve as the final culmination of the character's growth.

Japan has a weird thing about that sort of character. They did something similar in Hyrule Warriors. They'll have one physically split in two, a 'good' half and a 'bad' half, and instead of having the two merge together to form a complete being they'll just keep them separate.

Sharla, Vanea, Fiora, and Melia are going to be spammed for years, and I'm not excited about it.

>ackshully its called fanservice
You know what he meant faggot. Come the fuck on. You can't possibly be serious.

It says a lot about the female characters when I had to think a bit to remember who Sharla and Vanea even were.

Eh the first game didn't have nearly as many girls when you consider the lack of blades, and of what it did have only Melia had any real character. Fiora and Sharla are just kinda bland. I could maybe see us getting Vanea as a new party member though.

Pyra was always just a shadow of Mythra's power, which is itself a shadow of the Pneuma Core's true potential. So upon coming to catharsis with herself because of Rex, she should have faded within Mythra, to create Pneuma. Of course at that point, Pyra was virtually her own individual, and people would have been coping out of the ass if she disappeared for good in this lighthearted adventure, so shit happens.

>xc2 is better in every way other than the combat and english voices.

No I didn't really. Pandering to anime game pandering to people who like anime? What does that even suppose to mean? Or are you saying pandering to normalfags who hate all anime tropes is the better option?

Vanea, sure since she appears more so later in the story, but Sharla? She's in the group from the start, damn near.
It'll probably happen. There's concept art of her with a whip, she leads the party through the Mechonis, and one of the script writers apparently wanted to do more with her character, so meh.

Meant to say

An anime game pandering to people who like anime

>incel meme
Fuck off loser.

>Eh the first game didn't have nearly as many girls when you consider the lack of blades,
When you remember how many people post a blade that isn't part of the main cast or even Pandoria or Brighid that's kinda irrelevant. It's sadly all about the main girl and cuck

Pyra is the manifestation of traits she wants to express but Pyra still isnt a perfect version of herself.

Again, why do you think Pyra shows up so much? Because she is the easier one to talk to. Pyra is the one that tells Rex that she wants to die, talks to her Father, gets sentimental. She chooses Pyra for socializing and Mythra for fighting if you pay attention throughout the game.

Weeb pandering. If you don't know what that is I have no idea how the fuck you've lasted this long on the internet. That means throwing anime tits all over.

In other words... weeb pandering = fanservice.
Still have no idea why you chimped out like a nigger at KFC over the usage of a fucking word.

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This would make more sense if she awoke as Pneuma and then created Pyra after the events of Torna. Mythra makes no sense and is ultimately pointless.

Define weeb, please.

Normalfags love shitty anime tropes though, it's why "ironic weeb" caught on, they like generic bad shit because they watch anime to laugh at it for being dumb or offensive, that's why anime without lolis or fanservice are so hated by them, because they're forced to take it seriously.

Things like Danganronpa are popular with the tumblr crowd because they look to the camera and wink whenever some stupid anime bullshit happens.

watching anime of course, if you've ever watched a music video with anime or watched japanese cartoons on toonami you're a weeb

>It's sadly all about the main girl and cuck
That's how it is in both games.

But Mythra can socialize, she's just not as good at it. See her cutscene with Poppi in chapter 8. And as said earlier, the game is wishy-washy about how it wants you to think of them, since by the end of the game they are split into two beings. So what do you think happens then? Rex spends all of his time talking to Pyra and banging Pyra while Mythra just kinda sits in the basement till Rex needs to kill something?

>Define weeb, please.
Holy fucking shit you're actually braindead.

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People that started with Toonami are vastly different from people who got into anime through the internet.

For example, I'm more open to watching dubs, and had more than enough "parents walk in" moments to cringe at the dumb bullshit in XC2.

tl;dr. Toonami watchers are Chads, and internet anime watchers are virgins that think anime is some sacred treasure.

They don't though you stupid nigger, they hate fan service. Also nothing in the word weeb has anything to deal with specific types of anime.

I asked you to define it, not make a non argument. Still waiting.

sup acfag

Also how is Pyra not "a perfect version of herself"? While some here may say it's cause she's bland, from a waifu perspective Pyra is the archetypual perfect woman, who has absolutely no real flaws unless you count being weaker in battle as one.

Pneuma isn't a new character or the true form, the game literally explains that she is only a powered up form where both personalities are active at the same time, she wasn't even called Pneuma until the artbook came out, the awakened state is called either Pyra or Mythra depending on what you choose

What he said since you're autistic faggotass couldn't figure it out without being told outright like a retarded child.

No I want to see you state it so I can laugh at your dumbass.

xc2babs right as expected lmao

>They don't though you stupid nigger, they hate fan service
I'm talking about normalfags, not feminists on twitter and ResetEra, and funny enough, ResetEra seems to love shit like Made in Abyss and XC2 no matter how much they complain about how it triggers them.

Look at anime watching e-celebs if you want to see what entry level normalfags look like.

It means you buy shit for the anime titties, you dumb nigger. Literally what I said here.

Yeah, majority of stuff these normalfag niggers watched was shit like dragaon ball z, and cowboy bebop which most of the time didn't have fan service. Also they only like fan service ironically, not actually.
So you are retarded.

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No, I know what I meant and I know what he meant. What I have found out though with our back and forth is that you're autistic, enough so that you chimped out over a word and you have to be told like a baby what a weeb is and you still can't figure it out. I don't talk to retarded children so take your last (you) and go play your weeb titty bing bing wahoo game.

bros what if I'm an unironic weeaboo and I just like 2d shit. I play mainly JRPGs outside of multiplayer games and I coom to pixiv and twitter fanart

She can, but I just said she sucks at it. Thats why Pyra handles it. And the scene with Poppi is probably something that the Mythra side of her relates to much more because of Torna. Even then though she still holds herself back from giving Poppi a promise to keep at that time.

>So what do you think happens then?
They lost their memories, so nothing happens. And even if they did remember Rex would still treat them as the same person.

She still wants die and thinks the world is better off without her, is afraid of her own power, is afraid to get close to people, keeps her fears to herself. And even after chapter 7 she still splits between the two depending on what the situation calls for.

Why would she consciously make a "better' version of herself that still feels all that?

>butthurt anti-2fags make a thread
>it's an absolute clusterfuck
who would have thought

>being told like a baby what a weeb is
More like being told wrongly by a fucking moron.

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>treats women like garbage
>art director is a hentai artest
Its like you are trying to convince me to love Xenoblade 2. In all seriousness, I haven't played 1 but 2 was a pretty fun game. From all I've seen 1 it looks like it forces you to do grindy sidequests and the open world is more empty with less charm.

But that shows that she can grow and is capable of such a thing. And personally I think it'd be better to have one character who just has to grow than have two parts where one grows a little and the other doesn't. Also I don't see how Rex would treat them as the same person when they literally aren't.

As for Pyra herself, I suppose that's sort of fair but it's hard for me to think of that as a legit flaw. Those feelings come across as a consequence of Mythra, but at the same time still feel like endearing traits. "She's so pure and caring that she would gladly off herself because she just wants everyone to be well." That sort of thing.

Give 1 a shot when you can my friend, it's good in it's own way.

>treats women like garbage
>but the most powerful being is a woman
wtf I hate Xenoblade 2 now

>Also they only like fan service ironically
That's my point, those same fucks would flock to XC2.

Look at all the people that called SNK Heroines "A waifu fighter" in reaction vids.

Those guys aren't even the majority, most normalfags do not like fan service because it's "problematic" These ironic weebs were not a thing a years back, so you can't bullshit me.

can blades get pregnant again I forgot

>most normalfags do not like fan service because it's "problematic"
You're confusing twitter and ResetEra NEETs with normalfags, normalfags love sex in just about anything.

Normalfags love real sex, not 2d sex shit. You think normalfags are reading visual novels? You better be fucking kidding me.

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It's a generational shift, the normalfags of yesterday are too busy with jobs dude. The ironic weeb which is kinda normal now is too autistic to be a normalfag of the last generation

Most "normalfags" don't really care all that much one way or another, but if anything they do lean towards preferring sexy women to ugly women. It's the vocal minority that screeches about big tits being problematic, and sadly said vocal minority has a lot of pull in the video game industry.

Remember, did Vess have babies? Either ways they'd give Pyra/Mythra favoritism and say yes to them because the Aegis is special

Of course not, but most of those same normalfags don't use the internet at all, if you're normal on any level and use the net, you most likely know about memes and anime.

Those tumblr and ResetEra NEETs are just the opposite of Yea Forums shut-ins, that doesn't make them normal, just on the other end of the spectrum, normalfags exist on the bridge between those two extremes, they don't see people that masturbate to anime as """problematic""" they see them as laughable, so sex in anime is considered funny to them, not something bad, or something that needs to be censored.

Imagine arguing that the original xenoblade even needed a remaster. And you can thank Shulk's hype from Smash for getting Nintendo to greenlight your sequel.

We see Mythra showing that same side towards the end of Torna too though with Mikhail and Milton. She's never been incapable of it but she's nowhere near as gentle about it as Pyra. Mythra and Pyra are still just parts of a whole though. They're both incomplete on their own. Pneuma is closer to what a fully actualized Pyra/Mythra would be.

Two halves or multiple personalities of a whole is a theme that's been reused from Xenogears and Xenosaga and the way Pyra and Mythra are handled fit in with that pattern, which means they are meant to be the same person and the split isnt permanent.

Except they literally split at the end, and we are given no reason to believe it isn't permanent. Every argument about them being two halves of a whole falls apart because of that.

>Not 2d sex shit
Maybe not, but there are those normalfags who reminisce about their old cartoon/video game crushes like Misty or Tifa...Is something like the Fate franchise considered too weird for normies cuz I've seen that shit everywhere before even knowning wtf it was.

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They do and it doesnt make sense going by everything else the game says. Past story patterns and what the game tells us gives every indication that it doesn't make sense they split. So that means theres more to it.

Xenoblade 3 making it happen doesnt seem that unlikely.

best thing about this image is that the virgin meme critic is wrong