So what's exactly wrong with pirating games?

Pirating to test is also acceptable since demos barely exist nowadays and you can't trust pr/marketing shills.

But the pirates would have never bought the game. Nothing changed at all for the company.

Refund policies for PC digital stores are getting better and better.

Refunds exist more than ever, so no that's just as stupid as cope.

Good, about time

If you’re playing it then you wanted it therefore you were going to buy it if stealing wasn’t an option.

If nobody bought the game and everyone pirated it, the company would have lost money on making that game and will not make a new one. So if you liked the game you pirated and wanted another one like it, you won't get it.

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An interesting theory
got any examples?

Are you pretending to be retarded?

should I take that as a no?

let's be sporting, you get another chance
return with an example

Is against the law of intellectual property. Like the music, movies, books and series than you have been copying and downloading all your life without giving a single fuck. You dumb double frogposter.

The "im only pirating it to try it before I buy it" is always a laughable excuse. Nobody cares if you pirate a game but get the fuck out of here with that shit.

That's not true. If I wanted to buy it then I would have bought it.

I watch many movies on TV that I wouldn't have bought just because it was there.

But I would have never bought it in the first place. At no time would I give money for the game. Why dont you understand this?

Anno and Handball 17 bros.

What went so wrong?

Nothing.

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>haha I got you, there is no game that has a 100% piracy rate so I win, just ignore how economics work because I don't understand them

ah, so you are.

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You are free to rephrase your original supposition

I actually unironically do that
Sometimes

>people assume pirates would have bought the game if they couldnt just pirate it

Why?

why are piratefags so fucking insecure

>The problem with pirating is that it doesn't encourage a company to make another game.
This is why videogames aren't art.
If they love games so much, they should be making them for free.

Pirates dont matter and only give corporations excuses to fuck iver the already cucked customers even more whom do not give a shit due to being either ignorant or just someone who probably doesnt give a shit as long as they get to play games at some point.

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I unironically want to know what the fuck is wrong with frogposters. They are all normalfags, that's a given, but how come they always ask the most pointless fucking questions ever. I have not seen ONE good question coming from a frogposter.

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>invest into product
>make no profit
>invest into different product/go bankrupt
I don't care enough about this moralfaggotry shit to look up if sequels have been canceled due to excessive piracy yet but how do you not understand the most simple shit you fucking retard

Where do I get one of those passes?
Asking for a friend

obsessed

Stop me.

Neither music, paintings or books are free, you retard

You're not arguing economics, you're arguing syllogism
>if X is Y then Z
economics needn't be a factor at all, nobody has to open a book on economics when the whole thing can be proven or disproven with a single example
An example that is YET to make an appearance.

not having handball 16

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Oh yeah? How come I can listen to music on Spotify for free, watch art expos for free, and get books at the library for free then?

They are trying to fit in, so anything they have to say has most likely been talked to death, they never add anything new or worthwhile to a discussion because of it.

Damn right.

>I buy games to support the devs
if you believe that, you are retarded
literally no money after a vidya is made goes to the devs, all sales funds go to the publishers

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if nobody buys a video game then its a failed business and game dev should just go do something else.

>16
Dumb frogposter.

And Handball 17 is shit anyways, that's why nobody bothered to crack it. I won't touch that crappy game with at 10 foot pole.

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>Fedora tipper trying to bait

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Yes, unless they're self-publishing. Otherwise, a game blogger that is considered by metacritic "a critic" has more influence on the dev's success than your money.

Most of them are poor people who want to pretend they are not poor. Once I wasn't poor, I started paying for all my games.

I don't know if you're that guy, but that guy has already admitting to saying something silly.
And if you are that guy, do you think this is strengthening your case any?

Downloading it may not be but sharing it in such a way should be.

>Spotify
ads
>art expos
are literally ads
>library
good question

I am so sorry officer I appear not to have license to show you my license nothing I could do about that I swear and even if I did have that license I still wouldn't have the license to show you the license to show you the license to show you the license to show you the license to show you the license to show you t

The issue is when people go from pirating without the intent of buying to people pirating with the intent of buying, but pirates instead.
There are all sorts of people out there, of course, theres groups of people who pirate it first then buy it, but I suspect this is a rarity.

Woops, I mean
People go from the group of people with the intent of buying but end up not buying

>mfw pirating a game 1000 times per day to make the devs go bankrupt in a week
get fucked

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>spotify
ads
>art and libraries
government robbing your money at gunpoint and giving it to them

How is that hard to believe? I’ve pirated several games just in case they were shit and if I thought they were worth the price I bought them to support the devs.

It doesn't work that way brainlet

journalists and devs say otherwise, sweaty

What if I don't want the company to make another game?

There are legitimate reasons to pirate games. Some of them are:
1. They have SJW shit in them
2. They have quest markers, toucan sam vision, fast travel etc. and their quests are designed around those mechanics
3. Game was developed by communists (communists work for free) and has communist propaganda
4. Developers outright lied about the features of the game
5. Game has microtransactions, day one DLC, multiple editions with not a single edition to have all content and other such predatory practices
6. Game has DRM
7. Game is a new entry in the series and abandons the themes or mechanics that made the series good
8. Game was developed or published by EA
9. Money from purchase doesn't go to developers
10. Game was censored
11. Game requires additional steps after installation to run
12. Game requires launcher
Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. If I remember some more I might post
13. Game is too expensive for the amount of content or quality of gameplay offered

I don't want it, but I need to play it to make fun of it on Yea Forums

>sweaty
Cant tell if this was an honest typo or an insult disguised as a typo kek

So what's exactly wrong with stealing wallets?
I wasnt gonna buy it anyways so why does it matter...

>communism = working for free

good consumer, keep believing the lie.

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>3. Game was developed by communists (communists work for free) and has communist propaganda
I meant and/or, any of those two alone is a legitimate reason

Law said it's wrong. Law can sucks dick, though.

Unironically give me an argument against stealing wallets if I can get away with it like I could with piracy

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Intellectual property is a jewish scheme and hinders progress.

>3. Game was developed by communists (communists work for free) and has communist propaganda
kek'd
also, rest of it, pretty based

See

who is he?

me :)

seethe

Stealing a wallet doesn't magically copy the wallet and leave the original in the owner's pocket.

1 and 3 are honestly reasons to not even play the games though, they defile you in a certain way.

I wasn't speaking about the properties of piracy, I was speaking about stealing and getting away with it.

Video game pirates are literally responsible for the abundance of shitty micro-transaction games; the developers lose so much money that they are forced to introduce real money purchases into games to recuperate profits.

He's saying that nobody fucking cares.
I only care if you actually played the game so you actually know what you're talking about so I won't have to go full Kermit on your ass.

lolno
bullshit
consoles are responsible

>stealing wallets if I can get away with it like I could with piracy
>like I could with piracy
>stealing
Your question is based on a false preconception. Piracy isn't theft.

But user, that's the main proposition of communism - abandonment of capitalist system where the worker gets paid for their work. Communists cannot demand payment for their work because they ideologically oppose it. If they actually demand payment then it's even more of a reason to not pay them - they're fucking hypocrites.

My question wasn't comparing stealing and piracy you spastic, I was asking why STEALING is wrong if I could GET AWAY WITH it like I could with Piracy. I wasn't saying piracy is stealing you ESL cunt

N-

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>muh commies
mutt spotted

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If you weren't going to buy it then you don't deserve to have it.

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>Get away with
Get away with what? Theft, is what your post implied. I wouldn't call others ESL when your grasp of English is this poor.

>Get away with what?
Get away with stealing you fucking retard
>Theft, is what your post implied
Yes, my post is talking about theft
> I wouldn't call others ESL when your grasp of English is this poor
Says you lol

saying you pirate to test is like fucking someone's wife just to check how sex feels like

This is technically what would happen, but it doesn't happen. Now fuck off and go shill your morals on /pol/

Think very hard, retard. What are you "getting away with" when you pirate something?

The pirates were never going to buy it anyways. The sequels were not canceled because of piracy, they were canceled because nobody bought the game.

Pirates would have never bought the game under any circumstances.

Ring ring
It's for you

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It's a "crime" in my country that I can get away with incredibly easily. I'm getting away with piracy.

Do you want me to break down the original post so you can understand it ESL-kun?

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If I wasnt going to buy it in the first place you don't deserve my money.

Piracy wouldn’t be as much of a problem when companies would give us demos of their games to test the game instead of developing retarded shit that nobody was asking for

Imagine buying games because you're a dumb fuck trying to earn good boy points instead of taking five minutes of your life to learn how to pirate shit.

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I'd pirate even if I had money because I'm not retarded.

I bet you feel like a proper rebel now just like your gayfaggot anime characters.

What is the nature of the criminal offense? How does it differ from stealing a wallet?

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>pirates game he was never going to buy
>PIRATES ARE THE PROBLEM! SO MUCH MONEY WAS LOST BECAUSE OF THEM!

But how can you lose money if they were never going to buy it and you didnt lose anything?

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>I wasnt gonna buy it anyways so why does it matter...
It doesn't. The EU commissioned a report which demonstrated that piracy has no effect on company profits for that very reason (outside of recent cinema releases).

SUPPORT THE DEVS YOU TOXIC BIGOTS

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I was using it as an example of something I can do for zero negative repercussions to me, brainlet.
Developers aren't as impacted by me pirating something as me stealing a wallet, what's your point? This has nothing to do with my post about why stealing is wrong if I can get away with it.

You just conceded that you view piracy and wallet grabbing as the same "crime"

No, I didn't. I said that there's a difference between me taking someone's wallet and me pirating a video game.

What are you trying to prove?

>I said that there's a difference between me taking someone's wallet and me pirating a video game.
What is that difference?

Me stealing someone's wallet is taking their physical property, they tangibly lose out. They don't lose out with piracy except for some nebulous "potential sale" that they might or might not have gained in some alternate universe

Even if I had money I'd pirate just to spite buyfags who think they're earning a spot in heaven for buying games.

see

How is that an argument against stealing?

but the more money the publisher gets from the game the more likely they want the developer to make another game.

Why do you even pirate it if you don't want it?

So the publisher loses out on a sale :^)

The real reason why stealing is wrong is that acting all edgy like you do now with your pretended lack of understanding of what's wrong with theft is retarded and childish. I bet you wear fedora and consider yourself an intellectual.

>"NOOOO IM NOT A FILTHY BROWN THIRDIE THIEF! ITS COPYING NOT STEALING !11!!!"

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Some games might have an interesting aspect to them but be otherwise not worth a play. You might want to experience that aspect despite the game being bad overall.

If I could make copies of people's wallets with their money I'd do that instead.

>your pretended lack of understanding of what's wrong with theft
Explain what's wrong with it then.

>pirates game he was never going to buy
But that's wrong. He's playing the game, isn't he? So if pirating wasn't an option he would've been forced to buy it sooner or later. He had an interest into it. So, it's a sale lost.
Also, pirating is way worse than you think. By pirating you're consuming for free, so you don't need money, giving money itself a lower value for everyone else. By not needing money then you don't even need a job, which will make society as a whole produce less, which will lead to more people having less money and being forced to pirate too, and so on.
If you pirate you're the worst of the worst.

Name one reason why you buy games. And no, you dont do it to help anyone you fucktard.

But I already did

Where?

>mfw i only pirate indie games
FUCK TRANNIES

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So you buy games to keep society stable... so selfless... so heroic...

Piracy is stealing
Pirating a 60$ game is the same as stealing a television
And you're going to hell

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i think that stealing is wrong and i usually avoid doing things which i consider to be wrong
biggest reason why your country is such a shithole is because not enough people think like me, pablo :)

Here

>stealing is wrong because I don't like edgy fedora atheists
??

That's not what I said. What I said was that stealing is wrong because pretending to not know why stealing is wrong is retarded edgy fedorafagging.

that never happened tho so it make no sense to base your entire argument with ''what if''

There is only one reason why people pirate and that is that they don't have enough money to support their entertainment "needs". Every other "argument" is just to delude themsleves from the fact that they are poor.

So why do you think stealing is wrong then?

Pirating isnt stealing, fucktard. Try again.

Wrong. I'd pirate even if I had money to spend on everything I download.

>stop masturbating! hire prostitutes instead

Buyfags are delusional. Just admit you dont know what the fuck you're talking about instead of acting smug. Its like being proud of eating shit.

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>pirating games

POLICE HERE!

OPEN UP!

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Because pretending why stealing is wrong is retarded edgy fedorafagging. Which word do you not understand?

Okay enough fucking around, I know what you're asking. Stealing is wrong because you deprive someone of their rightful property and rightful property is sacred. A thief cannot be trusted and therefore is not fit to be allowed into society and is also a useless piece of shit who's too lazy, to weak or too retarded to acquire property rightfully hence they resort to theft. There is no benefit from there being a thief while there is damage from there being a thief. A thief is a resource drain that will never produce anything of worth in return and therefore there is no reason to keep it around. It's like a weed or a parasite.

please calm down i'll uninstall all my pirated games!

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Don't mind me, just pirating your house key.

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>animeshitter
cringe

pirating isnt stealing next

I disagree. There are games in my backlog which I plan to pirate despite being able to afford them and planning to buy other games that I want to play despite being able to pirate them.

Yeah I know. I never argued that it was.

>because you deprive someone of their rightful property and rightful property is sacred
Why is this wrong?
>A thief is a resource drain that will never produce anything of worth in return and therefore there is no reason to keep it around
This isn't speaking about the action of stealing

NOOOOOO PLEASE DONT PIRATE MY CAR AND MY WIFE HOW WILL I DRIVE HER TO JAMAL'S HOUSE TO PLAY WII SPORTS

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I'd have to give you my house key to copy.

I don't, but the world is unfair and I get to have it anyway. Suck my cock

Or I could just pick your pocket, make a copy and put the original back before you notice it's gone. Those machines are everywhere. Hey, it's not stealing, you still have YOUR key. I've done nothing wrong.

>Why is this wrong?
Because rightful property is sacred. You even quoted those fucking words. Are you retarded? And why did you so conveniently omit the rest of the post? Do you expect me to answer your question after you ignored my answer to that question that I've already given to you? Fuck off, enough with your bullshit. Don't you have an alt-rock album to listen to?

>buy a bag of chips
>share my chips will other people

NOOOOOOO WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS SOCIETY IS -RUINED-!!!!

piss off cuck buyfags youre insufferable

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>brainlet doesn't understand the concept of consent

>takes your key while you're not looking
>pirates your anal virginity on the way out
>makes a copy
>returns the key

t. nigger

>Because rightful property is sacred
In what way is it 'sacred'?

It's the same thing. Making an unauthorized copy of someone else's property. That's what piracy is.

keep buying offline games dumb mongoloid

I don't mind you having the copy of the key, I mind you being able to use it to enter my house which I don't trust you to not do. Making a copy of a game does not give anyone the means to enter developer's property and steal or destroy your belongings. Stop it with false equivalencies and try to come up with an actual analogy, I'll wait.

Let's try another approach. How would you feel if someone stole from you?

...

>someone else's property
When you buy something, it becomes your property.

Wouldn't like it, but that doesn't make the action of stealing wrong.

Didn't the uploader authorize the copying of their copy of the game?

>I don't mind you having the copy of the key, I mind you being able to use it to enter my house which I don't trust you to not do.

If you don't have a problem with me having your key you don't have a problem with me entering your house.

Oi! You got a permit for that loicense?

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Translation: "it's okay when *I* do it!"

What would make it wrong is that it was your rightful property and it stays that way after the act of stealing only you won't have access to your rightful property and you won't be able to use it while the thief will have an unauthorized access to your property and will be able to do whatever the fuck they want to do with it without your consent.

I do. You can have the copy of my key as long as you don't have the ability to use it to enter my property and steal or destroy my belongings while I still have the ability to use the original key to enter my property and do whatever the fuck I want with my belongings.

no
>What would make it wrong is that it was your rightful property
Why would that make it wrong though?

Owning a copy of a game =/= owning the intellectual property. Unless the uploader owns the IP they don't have permission to make copies of it.

What is the meaning of life?

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I love to get stuff for free but as my economics teacher said "You get what you pay for and you pay for what you get." hence free stuff is typically of inferior quality.

But when I steal/pirate/liberate/annex/acquire things that normies typically pay for (because they've been conditioned to do so), I get a massive erection and my brain releases tons of endorphins.

Fuck, I get more pleasure and enjoyment from this than sex with sluts.

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>You can have the copy of my key as long as you don't have the ability to use it to enter my property and steal or destroy my belongings

And what is stopping me?

No? You wouldn't like someone stealing from you but you also say there's nothing wrong with stealing. That sounds like you only think stealing is okay when you're not a the victim.

If I come across a soccer ball on the road I'm gonna go play with it and bring it home. It doesn't mean i was gonna buy one.

Only thing wrong with pirating are the excuses. I pirate because I can, I pirate because its the smart thing to do and I dont spin stories about morality when I do it, because I know I'm not hurting anybody. I wouldn't steal or rape or kill if not for self defense, but I would pirate, because it hurts no one.

No publisher has ever been pushed out of the market by pirates and even if they did maybe they'd think about making DLC, in game store and shit products.

I'm also like and the fact pirating makes retards seethe is just the icing on the cake. You dont buy games out of morality or good will or for the opportunity to help anyone. You buy games because you're too lazy to figure out how to deal with torrents. You do it because out of all the good things you could do in life and you refuse to there is some respite in knowing you bought some shit video game instead of downloading it for free.

I know tons of people who pirate games and yet help the church, help the poor and are overall good people. You think you got anything on them? Both sides are at fault here when it comes to excuses.

>i pirate because [reason other than getting something for free because i can]
>i buy because [something other than being ignorant about piracy and jumping on the opportunity to signal virtue]

Shut the fuck up.

How is piracy stealing so long as they sincerely wasnt gonna buy it anyways?

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I can acknowledge I wouldn't want something to happen to me while also saying it's not 'wrong'

best analogy on the subject by far

If you can make a copy of my house I'll gladly let you keep it.

I know you went gonna buy it anyways so what's the harm? You didnt take anything of mine so I dont lose anything at all.

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Based and redpilled.

But they were never gonna buy the property tho

>noooo im a retard who spent money on overpriced garbage and there are people getting it for free this is unfair nooo

You made your choice I made mine cuck deal with it

I'm pro piracy m8

You are reducing the value of a game by pirating it. It says that it's not good enough to pay money for.

Because I worry what you anons will disprove of my getting shit for free without no consequence

nigger

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>You wouldnt download a nigger

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you could have pirated all that shit and saved that space for books, but giving that hand i dont know what i expected. whats your job?

THATS THE FUCKING IDEA

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But you were never gonna buy it at all. How does this reduce the value?

Why does every low IQ brainlet assume they would buy the game in any situation? What do you not understand about the person not wanting to buy the game even if they couldnt pirate it...

The first sentence is correct, but the second sentence is wrong. If the uploader legally obtained the copy he can do whatever the fuck they want to do with it other than selling it. That's the problem with intellectual property. Only I can profit from distribution of my intellectual property or copies of it, but whoever owns a copy of my intellectual property can make copies of it and distribute them as long as they don't profit from it which is exactly what piracy is.

I could get charged by the law for that one......but if I could get away with it..

Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

A guy I know purchased the game. He then let a few thousand friends play what he already bought.

Suddenly there is something wrong with him sharing his purchased game with people. You call him a pirate.

Fucking wow.

Stealing a wallet means you no longer have a wallet.

Pirating a game means you still have the game.

Holy shit you are retarted, the guy is saying he would be taking peoples wallets too if there was no consequence

I would buy if pirating wasn't available, but I want to save my money for other things. You can dwi

or you know
make a good game so everyone buys it

>you don't deserve to have it.
that's not how the world works
do you think billionnaires deserve to be rich
do you think sick people deserve to be sick
do you think people who live deserve it
do you think people who die deserve it
who are you to decide who deserves what

Exactly. If the game was good enough to be worth my money, I'd pay for it. But it's not, so make a better game next time (if they don't go under by then lmao)

lol cope there was a lottery winner who still pirated things in a previous thread

Not one person h as s hsd a convincing argument on why there is anything wrong with pirating a game so long as the person was never gonna buy it anyways.

You literally can't argue with this.

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Nothing and that's the problem. You can't have a copy of my key and not have the ability to use it to enter my property at the same time. But in principle, it is not you owning the copy that I mind, but the ability to enter my property that you obtain by owning a copy. You also cannot make a copy of my key without first depriving me of its possession for an amount of time greater than 0 which I certainly do mind because I want to be in the possession of my original key 100% of the time and I do not give you permission to have the original for any amount of time.
This entire discussion is moot in the context of software piracy (or music, or any other intellectual property) because intellectual property is a different thing entirely. As an owner of intellectual property I hold the exclusive right to sell (distribute for a profit) the copies of my intellectual property or the intellectual property itself (in the latter case whoever buys the intellectual property will hold the right to sell the copies of it or sell the intellectual property itself). However, as an owner of a copy of my intellectual property, which you obtained from me, you can do whatever the fuck you want to do with it other than selling it. This was not a problem for the industry when they distributed copies on physical media, but they got greedy and started uploading copies to the Internet where it is possible to infinitely make copies of copies non-profit and now they got all uppity. Well, their fucking mistake. They should have kept distributing physical, protected copies, so that people could sell their used physical copies that they already purchased from the developers, but still not sell the copies they've made themselves (used to be making copies from protected physical copied was if not impossible, then difficult, which halted the distribution of copies of copies somewhat). It's all very complex and difficult to put into words but I'll give a qrd in next post

Why did you mention piracy in response to my post on stealing? They're two completely different phenomena.

>person buys game
>he gives me the game after he beat it
this is also piracy yet if you ever suggest this is morally wrong you're a fucking tard

Not in my country. I can freely pirate without proxy/VPN with 0 consequences

Games consistently come out with demos and pirates consistently say this.
Pirates are full of shit, not sure why anyone gives you the time of day

Pirating is like being chinese. You get to benefit from the work and effort of other people without paying their service

There isn't anything wrong but it's undeniable proof you're a helpless consoomer.
You weren't going to buy it because it was shit.
But you just gotta have your vidya fix.
Pirates should be pitied; their lives so filled with self-inflicted suffering.

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Its fine. There's just too many cucks and literal shills on this board that will tell you otherwise.

But what if they wernt gonna buy it anyways? You also assume the content being pirated has anything beneficial..

If I was walking along and found a bottle of water and I decided to keep it, it doesnt mean I was gonna buy it.

>throws money away at shit i get for free and in better terms
>im the one to be pitied somehow

t-thanks...

You don't happen along a video game.
You seek it out. You looked for the pirate site. You spend bandwidth downloading it.
I know you're having a pity party about being a pirate but that's pretty sad.

You're to be pitied because your hubris is twisted and that's a terrible fate for a man.
If:
1: You weren't going to buy it anyways
2: It's a good game you want to play

You're a pity-party-throwing poorfag.
Holy shit.

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Absolutely nothing, but what piratefags don't seem to comprehend is that bragging about pirating something on an anonymous imageboard is fucking retarded.

>WHAT'S WRONG WITH DRINKING WATER OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLO

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The purpose of life is to takes care of the animals. And pirating is free advertising.

Jesus christ this thread. No wonder PC gaming is stagnant. Its not Consoles, its retarded underage posters who think they are entitled to free shit.

not the original person youre replying to i have the money i dont spend it because i dont want to

nice argument retard

>free advertising
When has pirate advertising helped a game?
List one.

>i have the money i dont spend it because i dont want to
pathetic

how will i ever recover?

You and I both know Life's got you good and fucked already. That's why you're here.

why can't you pirates just accept you're pieces of shit and stop trying to rationalize your shitty behavior? That's what i do.

Qrd as promised
Creator of intellectual property is the owner of it untill they sell the intellectual property itself to someone, who then becomes the owner of said intellectual property in the process while the creator stops being the owner of it.
Whoever is the owner of the intellectual property, be it the creator or someone who later bought it, owns exclusive right to sell new copies of said intellectual property or the intellectual property itself.
Whoever buys a copy of intellectual property has the right to sell that exact copy, but not the copy of that copy, so if they sell the copy, they lose it in the process. It's all nice and well in the context of physical distribution. If a legal owner of a copy has a means of making copies from that copy, they can do that and distribute the copies of that copy non-profit, but not for-profit, because as owners of a copy they hold the right to copy what they own, but they cannot sell the copy of the copy because they don't hold the right to sell the intellectual property. In the context of digital distribution, whoever bought a digital copy, can sell that exact copy and lose it in the process, can make copies of that copy and distribute those copies non-profit, because they're copies of something they legally obtained, but they can't sell the copies of that copy because they don't own the intellectual property and hold no right to sell it.
It's all fucked up because, as I said, intellectual property and digital goods are an entirely different thing from physical property and physical goods and it is not possible to design a tight legislature around it without sacrificing the rights of either side, both of which is wrong. So the entire system around intellectual property and digital goods is bound to be flawed unless we apply unlawful oppression on one of the parties.

They're all redditors.

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It's theft.
I agree that the industry is shit and games are mostly garbage now but that doesn't change the fact that it's theft.

If you want to be a pirate, go for it, but don't act like your some sort of Robin Hood character for doing it. You're still just sitting alone in your apartment playing video games when you could be playing a sport, lifting, or bettering yourself you pussy.

This rundown was quicker in my mind than it turned out in the post but what am I gonna do. The entire thing is really fucked up.

im here so i can discuss things in a proprer free way i dont get the '' if youre on Yea Forums youre fucked'' meme since i found the site sometime around 2004

reddit is hellbent on vilifying piracy i dont know what youre talking about

the original buyer can do whatever he wants with his copy, its like sharing cookies you bought

>im here so i can discuss things in a proprer free way
You're an idiot.

>reddit is hellbent on vilifying piracy i dont know what youre talking about
Reddit is being a piece of shit and performing mental gymnastics on why they aren't pieces of shit.
When actual, real people will go "yeah i'm being a piece of shit" and do nothing to improve on themselves.

Get out you goddamn underages

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>abloobloobloo stop pirating you big meanies

Thats what an underage would do desu

Will you stop insulting me? This is getting out of hand!

>>abloobloobloo stop pirating you big meanies
>Thats what an underage would do desu
*Heavy's voice* NO!

Not one person in this thread has told anyone to stop pirating.
They're all, for the nth time, reminding you you're pieces of shit.
And you're all, for the nth time, performing all types of mental gymnastics to say you're not a piece of shit.
And I'm here
in this thread
for the nth time
tell you you're a piece of shit.
Just honestly accept you're a piece of shit.

Why? Because I respect my money and choose to download something I'm allowed to instead of buying it?

I think you're just upset I got what you got in a different, easier way.

If only casuals buy games then developers will only make games for casuals.

Remind yourself of that every time you say 'I wish X got a remake, sequel or remaster'.

If I fuck your mom her vagina is still there. Therefore if someone rapes your mom then no harm is done.

Hardcore game by dev A sold 50 copies
Casual game by dev B sold 100 copies
dev A is forced to copy the casual game of dev B
So even if people bought the hardcore game it made no difference.

>love c&c series
>buy every game up to c&c 3
>EA turns it into a pseudo moba then rapes the corpse and turns it into a mobile game
So much for the 'buy it if you want more' theory

great analysis timmy now go watch your cartoons and eat your cereal

>I respect my money
There you go again
Making up stuff to justify that you're a piece of shit.

If you're being honest, the conversation goes like this:
>You're a piece of shit
>Because I choose to download something instead of buying it?
>Yes

How come witcher 3 sold so well without day 1 drm?

>So what's exactly wrong with pirating games?
Nothing, but the "hurr durr I wasnt gonna buy it anyways" is by far the most idiotic pro-piracy argument ever conceived

The witcher 3 is shit
You aren't downloading shit games, are you?

It is a weak position to take, but it's still true.

If you weren't going to buy it, why are you spending bandwidth to play it?
If it was good, it'd be worth buying and you'd buy it.

Piracy is a developer issue. If they make all their games free, I wouldn't need to pirate?

i dont buy because i dont have to and downloading it hurts nobody

>If you weren't going to buy it, why are you spending bandwidth to play it?
Because I'm not Australian.
>If it was good, it'd be worth buying and you'd buy it.
A game being good or not has nothing to do with whether or not I buy it. A hat in time was good, RE2make was good, I bought neither. M&B was good, I bought it.

no arguments as expected keep buying consoomer god is proud of you

You can't prove a negative

This is 2020 grandpa; we watch hentai, listen to mumble rap and eat ass now.

Nobody considers the free publicy I give when I pirate a game.

Suddenly it makes the news when thousands pirate the new latest game. its buzz worthy. Nobody thanks pirates for this do they?..

Pirates are a devs greatest PR buzz maker.

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Any game that’s being pirated is being exposed to the public at the cost of zero advertising dollars.

Unless the game is bad, in which case people learn about it and spread the information.

how embarrassing

See my image? I pirated that.
No artist is losing any money because I was never going to buy it.

Just because I use it doesnt mean under any circumstances was I going to buy it.

The artist doesnt lose any money from me because its a copy. They still have it and I was never gonna give money for it.

They lose nothing. It's as if nothing happened. Except I gave them free PR for using it.

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So basically I'm both a free buzz and a free r&d support for their company. If anything they should be paying me to pirate their game...

Bottom have a few good reasons for pirating, but yeah, top is 100% accurate.

Moralising is gay
I pirate every game that I can and steal groceries from the self- checkout lane daily

>Not in my country. I can freely pirate without proxy/VPN with 0 consequences
As I do in mine. That doesn't mean is technically against the law.

Hell, your mom should be paying for the publicity I give her vagina by telling everyone what a great whore she is.

Notice nobody can argue against this.

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because its true

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Not him, but
Yes
Depends
Yes
Depends
And for Pirating, it also depends on how much the publishers hoard their products.

Oh wow I heard a song on the radio today. I guess I pirated it with my ears and now the artist is going to go bankrupt because of all the money I didnt give them.

Lmao. Anyone who thinks piracy makes devs lose money is a low ir retard. You can't lose money if they were never gonna a give you it in the first place.

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Game developer here.
Because a stolen copy is a stolen sale.

Radio songs are licensed you absolute mouthbreather

pirating isnt stealing

Do you think the publisher is going to keep funding the devs if their game flops?
And what about indie developers?

Back when all I had was a toaster I always did that just to make sure the game actually ran.

they can fuck themselves

>Wow this game looks bad
>”How do you know? You never played it”
>*Pirates game, and its still shit*
>”D-did I say? I-I meant bought it!”

>he would've been forced to buy it sooner or later
By which authority?

>tfw no good cracked copy of Total War Warhammer 2 with all the DLC

I just cant justify paying full price, especially with all the negative feedback ive seen posted here

Fitgirl repack

Piracy is theft in spirit. Also it hurts smaller devs more than big devs

I heard it has issues with crashing though user. I normally wouldnt mind quicksaving fairly often but the crashing supposedly happens very often

>If everyone pirated a new game
that's the problem with the whole argument.

Not everyone knows how to pirate. In fact, very few people do or bother to do. Most consumers are retard00mers c00nsomers who love being paypigs for big corporations, dupes which fund the machine works.

The only thing I personally see wrong with pirating, is pirating indie games which don't have a huge financial backing from the start, as you are effectively making the difference between a dinner or starving.
But AAA-companies games? Fuck those, they already have loads of money. Pirate away, they are going to be bought by dupes and retards either way, your 20 bucks won't make a real difference, might as well pocket them (the morally better choice) - They are not gonna support the devs either way, only the corporate middle-men

This is truth but pirate fags are thieves who play mental gymnastics to deny it

Your type is the most retard subhuman bean there could be.
There IS a justification, and that is that I don't want a corporate suit blank hollow to own my money.
If you told me my 60$ were going directly to Ying Lao the developer who worked absurd ammounts of time to pull off the graphics, then I would pay enchanté.

But as a 5+ years experience IT and dev and tech guy, I can tell you that doesn't happen, unless it's a crowdfunding or indie game or similar.
AAA games devs are paid in advance, and the only one pocketing the money is the Armani Suit, whom has done jack shit for the game, except redacting the script so it could pander to minorities and SJWs who weren't going to buy it either way, in a blatant attempt to push a deluded agenda.

So yeah, fuck off with your "anti-ethic" bullshit argument.

T. Someone who paid +200$ to From Software after pirating all their games, just to support them + someone who bought multiple copies of every good and fun indie game, to show support for devs, and that same one who would NEVER give a fucking nickle to Ubishit, even though I have all their games installed in my rig.
Now fuck off and never come back.

What's your game so I can pirate you into bankruptcy?

So what? Buy the game, complete it in an absurd 2 days constant-playing, and then refund it?
Why put so much effort when i could just pirate?
retards.

Taxes and ads. Shit even PBS is covered by donations and a small percent from the cable companies.

There is no free lunch.

Really user nothing wrong. You just sound like a faggot when you try to justify or defend it.

Wrong.

I have pirated and played games for 2 hours. Games which cost 60$.

I'm not shilling my hard-earned 60$ for 2 hours of gameplay, because real life gets in my way and I can't go on autistical gaming sessions. Now fuck off, moralfag. Study some Plato before spouting bullshit.

Money wasted =/= value as a person

Post an example, retard. Stop moving the goalpost.

Seethe more

t. upset tranny dev
Maybe, make good games instead of crying about people pirating. If anything, you're the sad fuck here.

Piracy is theft in spirit. Also you are really pathetic to take inspiration from a child.

>Also you are really pathetic to take inspiration from a child.
I was illustrating a point. Look at the words I quoted.

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Except that if practice was not an option you would be buying alot of the games you posted, since you actually wanted them. I know because I was stuck using a console for a while.

Also
>14
>child
Pick exactly one.

so you will have drm and microtransation from ea. Rest of developer will die.

Except that you would buy games of practice was not an option.

> middle class black guy buys
>poor white kids steal
Checks out

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Yes 14 year old are children.

Pirates aren't responsible, but they make devs and publishers feel a lot less guilty about it

So this is the level of intelligence of paypigs huh? Makes sense.

Actually yes he is worth much more than you are because he actually makes a contribution, whereas you are just a leech and a thief in spirit.

I really could care less if someone pirates a game from one of these greedy AAA companies who constantly dick customers with microtransactions and broken on release games maybe it would teach them that if they released a quality product their profits and communities would improve. Its most indie games getting pirated where I think its a bit much (Unless the game was kickstarted, then the dev was paid to make it) I just want some smaller devs who make a good game to be rewarded by sales and for them to keep making good games if everyone is pirating their games they have no money or incentive to keep doing it unless its a self funded hobby.

Pirates who pirate a lot don't make a game lose sales and I think it's fine to pirate stuff for a multitude of reasons. However talking about it openly and convincing other people to pirate does impact sales.

>This user is underage

Do you ever sleep, you autistic paypig retard?

>However talking about it openly and convincing other people to pirate does impact sales.
And that's a good thing. Too bad there are still millions of morons not convinced yet.

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Op was being ironic to prove how "pirating affects sales" is false, brainlet.

>Cant tell if this was an honest typo or an insult disguised as a typo kek
newfag outs himself

Cope.

Only one coping here is you, fucking loser.

This is why piratefags

here is a winner guys a guy that pays for video games everyone clap now

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Just kys you leech.

Having a stroke?

Nah, I'm gonna keep living and keep pirating. Suck my dick. xD

>Piracy is theft in spirit

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Cope. Piracy is theft in spirit. People like you should be driven off this board.

terrible analogy, masturbation would be creating your own game instead

Cope piratefag

yeah i'm thinking based

yeal ill cope with my free video games and music and movies and series wish me luck lmao

But i unironically do that. Sometimes also, "prepurchase" when i know i'd rather drop the $60 at a later date.

pirates are either financially or morally bankrupt, there are no exceptions

Word of mouth. Unless the game sucks i suppose.

Kys leech.

buying games dont mean youre a good person

You do more as a pirate who convinces two people to buy than a low IQ paypiggy with no power of persuasion

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Actually you are. Piracy is theft in spirit, you have the same intentions as a thief when you pirate. So people who buy games are morally superior, because they are not leeches.

based

I don't care about your childish insults.

>Piracy is theft in spirit
>I don't care about your childish insults.

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You're stealing my fucking bandwidth in spirit with your faggy posts, faggot.

Buying second hand keys is more harmful than pirating

Brainless post. When I say piracy is theft in spirit I mean that the people doing it have the same intention as thieves and that piracy is very similar to stealing

You're posts are very authoritarian like a nazi in spirit. Guess you're a nazi now.

is this faggot serious he cant be

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Piratefags should be driven off this board.

A poor man stealing bread he cant afford is still a thief

>I wasn’t going to buy it anyway
then why did you want to play it so badly?

Nobody WANTS to pay for shit. If you dont want to play the game, dont play it. If you do want to play the game, why not pay for it?

Because I like to play video games.
I don't like to give people money.
Simple as.

Pirate away - I don’t care. But it’s nigger behaviour for the most part. Never forget that: you’re no better than a nog

why?

i pirate because i want not because i need

noooo piratebros how will we ever recover

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Not sure that is an insult when the ones making the games glorify them.

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im not thieving anything read the thread moralfag

No dogs in this fight, Jamal. You do what works for you if you’re content with being a nigger that’s on you.

t. newfag circa 2016

right man you keep throwing money away for you good boy points

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Still nigger mentality. Taking what you want for free. Since I pay for my games after doing the research into wether or not I think it’s worth it the developers get their money/royalties. You get it for free thanks to their hard work and my money. Like welfare. You’re welcome, nigger.

did I say the act was theft? no, read my post retard

>McDonalds police
????

anyone who has posted a wojack or pepe should be rangebanned

Hardly throwing money away if I enjoyed the game though is it Tyrone? I bet all those hard earned bucks you save from niggering goes straight into your kid’s mouths or sensible investments doesn’t it? Course it doesn’t. You’re a nigger. You probably smoke it.

>be some retard proud to be a retard as a coping mechanism since doing research and thinking/researching about things is too much work
>realize there is pirating
>option 1: learn how to do it and do it yourself option 2: throw money away and pretend youre doing it for the benefit of anyone but yourself out of laziness
>come to the internet dressed in plate and attempt to shame pirates while embarassing yourself

everytime

Darkwood is a really good game where the dev itself put it on TPB.

just admit you dont know how to pirate user your mom isnt looking its ok

>i pirate because i want not because i need
See

why seethe cope and project this hard you upset you got embarassed? lmao

because i dont want to and i dont have to?

That post has literally nothing to do with politics, retarded schizo.

>be based piratefag
>pirate and enjoy games
>see a moralfag throwing a shitfit about piracy
>laugh at him
>go back to my games

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if you share your chips, you have less chips, so you might be still hungry and have to buy a second bag.

it's you insufferable faggots who always make threads about piracy. ever seen a thread about pirating games that was made by someone who had an anti-piracy stance?

Serious question, why do pirates need constant validation?

doesnt matter my chips my rules

we dont. making fun of buyfag doesnt get old though

I pirate when necessary. But I know it’s nigger behaviour. The difference is I can admit it unlike you

I know, right?!

>convenience pirate pointing fingers

LOL why is it nigger behavior when im downloading something someone who bought the game chose to share

But you’re shit at games you fat cunt. What’re the last three you played to completion?

Spoken like a true nog
>DINDOO NUFFIN’

But that's based?
Zoomers wouldn't know shit about piracy because the corporations have ahegao fucked their brains silly.

>pirating is stealing
>niggers steal things
>I'm not a nigger
Simple as

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Sounds like a handout to me, negro

based [D] to dab on paypigs
D

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except it isnt lol cope

This.

you must download this answer to see it. or you can buy it on steam for 180 dollars. there is also a dlc for a more elaborate answer

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I didnt say you had to, I was just telling you why it's wrong. That's what the OP was asking.

Is this the RIAA thread?
Oh good I just wanted to say that I love the taste of corporate cock. I love when the seme I mean sales dribble down my chin.
Remember go I mean guys, consume product and get excited for next product! Don't pirate games because that's something a black person would totally do! (Given that they had the mental faculties to know what a vpn is) Wha? Demos? Fuck off you entitled nerd.

Because shitting on retards who spend money on children's toys is part of the fun.

playing demos is like getting a kiss on the cheek when you could be fucking raw

>pirates need validation
>not me who blow a 60 on pixels
jaj

Guy who purchases video games and contributes to society here. Step aside peasants.

Im the next coming of Julius Caesar dont you forget.

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>That one retard taunting people who buy games and wants more people to pirate

Are you actually fucking retarded lmao what kind of underage is this

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I'm pretty on the fence about this I say pirating is good for old games you can't get anymore or that are ridiculous expensive and I also say it's good if the games are made by shitty companies that you hate and don't want to support them. Then let's say it's a struggling indie developer and you know the game is good and you want the game I would say buy it.

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Why would you want to get paid under communism? Why would you need money?

True, but it would help me see if a game was fucking garbage before wasting my time torrenting, unpacking and installing.
However, games from certain companies can be safely written off.
>there are people using this website that paid money for faggotlands 3

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So more people get free games and less people have to go to work which means more time to play games? What's bad about what you described?

Is it bad because business owners won't be able to afford a private jet? Oh no.

have fun being stabbed many, many times

>less people have to go to work
so all pirates are worthless subhuman neets?

Before I knew how to pirate games I played shitty free flash games on newgrounds. These people are delusional, people who pirate games literally would just play free shit.

Who do you think plays free to play games? Poor retards that are too stupid to pirate good games.

>NOOOOOO THE GAME COMPANIES NEED TO EARN MONEY

Look, paypiggy, if you don't start thinking about your own interests, then no one will.
Those game companies don't give a shit about you, then just want to milk all your shekels.
By having this retarded cuck mentality, you're letting those companies get away with more and more kike shit every year.

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He has probably been stabbed many times just not by swords...

It’s not bread to feed my starving family you fucking nigger. I pay for the product I’m going to use because that’s what being a functioning adult is about. They don’t get away with taking my money once the quality no longer matches the asking price.

>cuck
>cuck
>cuck
The irony is I reckon am actual chicken would be better at rational discourse than you would, you ugly cunt.

probably not, I'm a software engineer and I make good money but I still pirate shit all the time. Call the cops, gaylord

You idiot can't you understand Mr Coinblatt needs his 3rd Audi? How is he going to afford it? I hate people like you. How can you guys be so poor? I even donate half of my income every month to those poor children in africa and my favorite streamers, yet you idiots cannot even pay for sixty dollar games? You are pathetic.

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I buy physical copies of single player games whether now or years later for my collection if I liked the game

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you took this long to evade a ban? wtf?

The price/quality ratio has hit rock bottom, but the number of Stockholm syndrome paypigs keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Do you pay for PSN/XBL/Nintendo Online? Do you pay for day one DLCs? Do you support microtransactions? Do you support the established $59.99 price tag?
If you answered yes to any of the above questions, then you are letting game/c*nsole companies get away with their kike shit.

I know, right? Filthy anti-semites even dare to think about getting value for money. It's worse than the holocaust!

I'm watching anime?

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Subhuman thieves

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what anime do blacks watch?

This is 100% accurate. There is no excuse for pirating. If you're gonna do it just admit you are a pirate like the rest of us do and don't try to sugarcoat it.

I have a confession, Yea Forums.
I run my own piracy site.

shonen and moe shit

Okay cool, so you guys keep buying then

myanimelist.net/profile/Ruggarell

Add me if you on MAL

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test

is it against the rules to discuss piracy here? if not name some good pirating sites. if it is please excuse me and please dont bane me thanks

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Crybaby fucking sucks, stop watching it.

Why would I stop watching anime I like?

whats your job black friend

rarbg (torrent)
torrminatorr (direct download)
goggames (direct download)
cs.rin.ru (direct download)

Because your taste is shit then, I bet you have a shit waifu too.

wow i only knew about fitgirl and codex! thanks user

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watch the OVAs instead

2 questions
Can you post a link?
How have you not been caught?

You think I'm rich or something?

I don't care what anime people think are bad. My waifu is Kaname chidori since 2004 and counting.

I watched the original TV series and Devilman lady.

>is it against the rules to discuss piracy here?
"We" literally have a /t/ board, only literal shills and retards pretending to be even more retarded than they are (just for mere (you)s) defend buying stuff.

I personally stick to torrents, either 1337.to and KAT when is alive.

no problem user.
i'd advise not to use any site that has scene groups as their username (like how you mentioned CODEX), as they are 100% fake and not real, and they often overflow their sites with adware.

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no just curious

I haven't been caught yet because the site is being hosted on a server host outside of burgerland and the pirated content isn't on the servers HDD itself, but rather on third-party links (like zippyshare/google drive)

thats premium quality advice since its always a pain to use those sites thank you so muchh

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Music piracy dated back decades and decades ago, and the music industry is in absolute shambles right now. Right? No, it isn't retard.

Words of the true king.