Can we actually discuss Smash Bros instead of screeching about who's in and who's not?

same here but I kinda understand why. In other fighting games (if you consider smash one) getting the ending cutscene was the reward for beating arcade mode. But now that everything is watchable online it makes it less special. How I feel about most cinematic games on ps4. Not trying to cause a console war I still liked bloodborne and dmc.

I wish they just did something like melee where they had worlds you could go through like mushroom kingdom or an F-zero track, and make it co-op like brawl.

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Imagine playing the single player modes in a smash game

Why is Ridley’s Down B so fucking bad? That move should ignore counters and break through Joker’s down b with how bad it is.

Wait
Smash Bros. is a GAME!?

Imagine not having a friend to play with in the story

It had co-op
Was fun with lil sis

The only reason this one doesn't have it is because of the massive roster

I didn't care for Ultimate's leitmotif and wanted to change the menu music to Melee's and Brawl's. Getting the true ending in WoL was a requirement to unlocking more menu music.

Im the fuckin expert at using fighters down air attacks off the edge
Especially online

Hero only had characters from dragon quest too bro

Wasted slot

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I suggest keeping your hopes low. Likewise I agree with you on that the DLC spirit boards have been very underwhelming.

this, loved the character interactions

FD and BF just aren’t that popular now that Ultimate brought back so many legal stages. Final Destination is a shitty stage competetively, and while BF is more neutral, Smashville and Pokémon stadium are better neutral stages because they don’t have the top platform that some characters can exploit. Also, some omegas/BFs have issues that make them illegal, such as flat stages fucking with the Z axis, or good ol music copyright for some stages.

It would've been nice if we could've gotten as something as simple as text-based dialogue between characters, but I guess that's just asking for too much

Will they include Terry's plane-switching from Fatal Fury?

I mean, that's literally the point.

>never made any promise to have "spirit" companies, just the franchise/IP
>previous DLC spirits also are limited to said IPs
>HURR GIVE ME UNRELATED COMPANY SPIRITS

but there's no story mode before Brawl either

I really wish we could put whatever tracks we want on any stage. The fact that they have the ability to assign whatever they want in Spirit battles but we cannot seems arbitrary.

Yeah because those same single player modes weren't in previous titles already, and setting the standard of what type of content should carry over into the next.
Let's ask Smash 4 Wii U if everyone lik--- oh wait, most people didn't like the lack of content, garbage UI, similarities to Brawl in gameplay minus the advanced tech, and terrible balance.
Mainly the lack of content though.

I imagine he'll just get fancy dodge animations that reflect KOF dodges. If we work the Ryu/Ken style "hold the button for attacks" mechanic in there, SNK's habit for four-button fighters is a lot easier to manage into a moveset than Street Fighter arguably, and I expect Terry to have both KOF and FF references. Though it does help a lot that his core capabilities have barely changed in all of SNK besides some of his supers and the plane switch from FF.

>Switch plane
>Beat the shit out of Pokemon Trainer

It's time someone got personal with him.

Fatal Fury actually has 3 attack buttons

The fact that my family think I'm really good at Smash will never make up for the fact that I suck ass against online opponents. Am I just gonna have to keep playing online to get better?

Shit, too much KOF on the brain then.

Anyone that is already spirited away sure isn't in.

You could go to weeklies

Like a local tournemant? I don't even know if there is a local scene near me

Yes a local tournament.
You'll find that even weeklies are drastically more different than online play. Especially depending on where you live.

Will we be able to switch between male and female Terry?

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I'd say I'm glad they dropped it, but then we got spirits mode which is just as shit. I hated Subspace, it was the worst content in all of Smash for me. Hated the metroidvania sidescroll parts of it, hated the ugly enemy designs, hated the boss battles. I'd prefer Smash games be 95% Smash mode(you can have a little bit of extra stuff, and collectables are fine) and all effort go into stages and characters.

Well there was Smash Run for Smash 4 3DS.
That could be argued as being the gameplay that WoL should have expanded from.

I actually think WoL is fine, assuming you mix it up.

>>HURR GIVE ME UNRELATED COMPANY SPIRITS
When the fuck did I say that you Tranny Ass Faggot I still wanted other Persona spirits outside just five.
What about Dragon Quest there had to be more then just 14 characters(seven of which are crammed into one) to make spirit battles for.
And Fatal Fury is literally tied to KoF, You know SNK's company only crossover that's also represented in Smash?
Why do you think since Banjotards thought Rare spirits outside of Banjo-Kazooie were going to be in think that people where genuinely thinking
>HERP DURP JOKA SHOULD HAVE CATHERINE SPIRITS
fuck off.

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WoL is a drag at times and just a mixed bag as a whole.
It was like Dragon Ball FighterZ shitty story mode, but throw in some RPG elements, and then call it a day.
While the boss fights were nice, there wasn't enough boss fights, and not bringing back all the bosses from brawl didn't seem to make sense.
The final against Dharkon/Galeem is a bit underwhelming since it's just fighting the 2 of them separately. Kickass boss theme though.

Will they ever fix the input lag? The online? I like the game, but coming from Melee to Ultimate is hard. It feels wrong to have to account for a delay every time I want to tech, or use a move.

Smash run had so much potential man, just make it City Trial from Air Ride where you can both farm for upgrades for a random trial AND fuck with your friends. Fucking Smash of all things not letting you duke it out against your friends during smash run is the biggest misstep they could've possibly taken.

>makes this shit up about his requests being "fine"
>while having Metal Slug

Ultimate has become the best Smash just from balance alone. It's easily the most well rounded game in a franchise that has always been known to be broken. The sheer amount of charcters and crossovers is icing on what's already a near perfect cake.

However I can't help but to agree with . Subspace was something really special despite being very flawed. Seeing all these charcters interact was a fantastic treat and the fact we won't see the same thing with this mass endeaver is a complete shame. It's also why while Ultimate is the best Smash game, Brawl probably still remains as my favorite.

doubt it, honestly i just want top tiers toned down

Buff the really shitty characters first.
The top tiers in Ulti are far from unbeatable compared to past iterations.

Real talk, what characters do you think needs nerfs? Honestly, I think Ridley could get nerfs on many of his moves and still be viable. The last buff put him waaaay over the top, now awful players can beat people much better than them.

>479127747(You)
Wrong person retard. I'm not the one who posted Metal Slug

The thing with Ultimate is that it's great in terms of roster and balance, but yeah, it's missing a lot of the smaller features. You can't shoot at trophies or kick them in solo runs into a pot, they took out a lot of the fun small touches like trophy descriptions by simply replacing trophies with character sticker Spirits altogether. While the classic mode runs are far better devised than Smash 4 and all, World of Light and Spirit Board don't really make up for the gaping hole of a lack of Events and an Adventure or Emissary or whatever mode. Home Run and Stage Builder are back, but no Break the Targets, just an identical one-note minigame part way through every Classic run. And not even the Smash Run returned from Smash 4 3DS.

It's like this kind of thing that is laser-focused on what it wants to do and does it very well, but the actual replayability and extra content beyond that has become a borderline-gacha challenge mode and there's basically little else to the game now.

I think Melee is the best, everyone has their own opinions. I really enjoy the technical depth and movement options of Melee, but I can see why people would like Ultimate better. I'm not sure why they did away with things like trophies etc in Ultimate, but it still has a shitload of content.

kinda wish that people would acknowledge that stuff like spirits,stage builder exist after intial release and not just focusing on competivtive mainly.

Which game had the best 4-player FFA with all items on and why was it Smash64

Ridley is far far FAR from being over the top. He needs further buffs, namely to his recovery, and weight.
The last buffs were nice, but not enough to really make him work that well. Fact of the matter is, he's not heavy enough, and his recovery isn't like the spacies Up+Bs, which is really really stupid and it hurts him so much.

how does the pokemon trainer red amiibo function?

Even without non-fightan games, there's a huge library of characters that SNK can use.

Oh right, definitely should elaborate a bit on the spacies Up+B
just more in the sense that Ridley can actually have multiple angles for his up+b. He only goes up, sideways with slight upwards or downwards, and down slightly left or right.
This is really really shitty especially for Ridley who already has a terrible disadvantage state.

Does anyone actually spike with ridley's recovery

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Yeah it's woefully apparent you're not anywhere near Elite Smash. Ridley carries his players, he's easy as fuck to do well with. He has nearly no bad matchups besides maybe Young Link.

I don't think anyone really needs a nerf.
to my knowledge the tourney showings have a decent variety of characters in them, and nobody's been banned in anything but the most scrub-infested environments.

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This is the dumbest comment in the thread. Nice

I rarely touch spirits but I still play custom stages anytime I have family over

>Elite Smash
>Nintendos shitty p2p netcoded online
>A viable estimate on how good a character is.
You know, instead of actual tournament results, usage rates, and what the top 10 players actually think.

I’ve gotten it before. It’s like using down b as ganondorf to spike when they are near the edge. If you do it right you can get the spike and recover at the same time.

the gsp system is terrible

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>t. 3m gsp shitters
It's hilarious that people even try to defend him, did I strike a nerve? He's braindead, no other way of putting it. He has a disgusting nair, an f-smash that can kill at 30% and a down-b that does fucking 60%. Try playing something that takes effort for once.

The entirety of the internet set up is terrible.

I’d rather buff low tier characters than nerf high tier characters. Just seems retarded to have a high tier and then say “no, we don’t like that”. It’ll be Bayonetta all over again.
TLDR; buffs not nerfs.

Still loving the salt from you overgrown Smash babies over one of the most famous fighting game characters ever. No wonder the majority of the FGC hates you all. Still a good game though and like Hero, I’m hyped as hell.

Yeah, ‘waste of a character slot’, sure. I bet Rose Gold Bandana Goomba and Sakurai’s pet cat would be a better choice. Hahaha! Think. Did ANY of you even know who Ice Climbers, Ness and the FE characters were back in the 2001? Guess they’re shit too if you don’t know them.
>Duck Hunt
>’’’classic’’’ Nintendo character
>literally who

Still this is Yea Forums and it’s a total guarantee you will still buy Terry and you play Terry either way and enjoy him too.

The good thing is, exposure of Terry means more people getting into KOF. Hero will go the same for the West for Dragon Quest. Roy and Marth did in Melee and there wasn’t an FE game in English yet. None of you think positively instead of shitposting ‘zoomer’ or how much you seethe over rule63 art.

hat ken

I think Goku is in. Seriously. No joke this time.

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>thanks for my hat Ken.
Ftfy.

hat ken

Why do all braindead mains claim to be chads?

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Terry Bogard is the perfect example of the common american man.

- Assassin
- Selfish
- Rich
- Blonde
- Arrogant
- Tall
- usa flag colors

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GSP is not a reliable measure of seeing if a character is good. It's the equivalent of a TF2 pub.
Yes his nair is good, yes his forward smash is powerful, and his down-b does >50 but heres the catch.
>He's easy as shit to combo
>He's insanely predictable due to over-relying on nair
>His forward smash doesn't have the greatest range
>He has a really bad grab range for someone of his size
>His Down B has 30 frames of start up, and most of the time, the average player isn't going to land it very easily
>His disadvantage state is absolutely atrocious, recovering as a Ridley or even getting onto the platform from being ladder combo'ed is a nightmare
>His massive size, and rather unimpressive weight tier contributes to his issue with being combo food/in disadvantage

To name a few. Yes he has astronomical strengths, but he has astronomical weaknesses too. He is much more min-maxed than pre-nerf Pichu BY FAR.

Fuck OFF. There's no way that faggot ass NIGGER Goku will ever get in smash before the chad himself, Vegeta. Goku is a
>fucking faggot
>a cuck
>had to rely on the person that killed his dad to beat a fucking ayy lmao
>isn't mondo cool
Maybe you'll be a spirit or mii costume, but it's MY time to shine

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Nice assumptions shitter. You're the trash idiot that gets read hard enough for a Ridley to be able to land their down-b.

Alright faggots post your mains and rate everyone else's taste

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it's already been announced even more characters are coming after the initial dlc is concluded.

We have those threads all the time, about Melee

They smell better too

>trash idiot
I'm currently 5.45m GSP as Palutena, one of the harder characters to play. Who are you?

Fuck 3rd party characters
Fuck trannies
Fuck jannies
Fuck FFXIV threads
and fuck the chinks.

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Sakurai pls
>Let us switch characters between matches. Fuck GSP
>Make lobbies more similar to arms
>Allow us to disable smash attacks or tilt attacks on the A button

>a top tier
>one of the harder characters to play
I have a few characters in Elite despite not playing too often. Yet, you act like being in Elite is some great achievement. I can't believe that I've responded to this bait this long. I main Sheik btw scrub

I think balance is going to take forever to gauge given the size of the roster. At the very least, it doesn't have as many immediately shit tier characters as 4.

>but it's MY time to shine

Ok. Go on, Vegeta. ^-^ you can have the one DB spot. Now you just need to convince Sakurai to create the DB spot.

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>one of the harder characters to play
C'mon, you're playing nair the character, don't try to sell yourself up.

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Don't Erdrick already has Vegeta's hair? Be glad with it and pretend Erdrick is you, Vegeta.

Good fucking luck winning with Palutena if you're not a one-trick, despite what shitter casuals like you think her skillcap is insane. I shouldn't even be giving a bait this bad a (you).

Don't Erdrick already has Vegeta's hair?

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I have given up on ever learning how to fight Zelda. I can confidently fight any other character from S tier to F, but not her. I can count on one hand the number of times I've beaten a Zelda since this game came out.

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Dlc spirits have all been pretty disappointing, I though hero would be better than persona 5 and that persona only had so few to avoid spoilers since there were so many iconic monsters to choose from but it had less than persona.
Then I thought maybe that was just square being kikes but then banjo came out with few spirits as well.

Yo can I get a fucking movement buff please? Why the fuck was Doc the only character to get his air speed nerfed from 4 to Ultimate. Fuck off

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Welcome to the universe, Vegeta.

Disagree Terry is a great inclusion. Never thought I’d see him in

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If you are getting hit with Ridley's down-b, especially online, you probably aren't that close to the cap. The only way i can imagine getting hit by it is the down throw to down b gimmick, but even then it's very reactable.

what vocabulary do you expect? I hope

ROCK YOU
KICK BACK
BURNING
GO BANG
STAND UP
GET SERIOUS
LIVE WIRE

are in

Also
HEY YOU

Hey, come on come come on
Are you ok?

And all his various move lines of course.

they retconned that to HEY COME ON

"i'm glad i found my hat"

ROCK YOU was shown in the little tid bit of gameplay of him.

Why do people shit on Steve getting into Smash so hard. It’s not like he doesn’t have a chance. Everyone has a fucking chance you brainlets.

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Rick And Roll???

>tfw no classic mode beginnings/endings

twitter.com/nocontextmugen/status/1170136886616252416?s=20

Not all of us are ironic weeb zoomers

Wow yes. Stages like Willy's castle is fucking unplayable because of that yellow cunt, but the moving platforms and layout are actually fun, so it sucks that a stage with so much great music must always be played as a BF/FD clone.

Because Steve posters are cunts and Minecraft fans are annoying

You aren’t wrong.

Young Link also got an air speed nerf.
Doc's biggest weaknesses are his recovery, and range. Address those, and suddenly he's a significantly better character.

>Fuck trannies
Atleast I don't have shit taste in Links

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Hmm, nope.

His jump is shite and his attacks is more shite

So basically Mr Game & Watch

save that for kazuya's side-stepping mechanic

Depends how serious you want to be about it, if you watch better players then you and practice in training mode, watch replays you will without a doubt become better.

>go on Popular section in stages
>full of meme shit and a handful of good stages
>go on Recommended
>see more good stages with good design and look
>mfw

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Oh right, I forgot about that.

Quite an interesting selection of characters I must say.

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8 color alternates

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I'll bustah nut on that bitch you have for a secretary if you don't shut the fuck up, Mr. Mayor.

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no u

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GO RED
GO RED GET IT
GO RED KILL HIM

Smashfags don't play games let alone Smash

They do exist

You post 4, and I post 8.

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Buff Cloud pls

>tfw you realize how garbage the PvE mode is

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ngl i found cloud more fun on ult than on 4 but then again at suck at both

Cloud is worse in Ulti for sure.
But it's sort of hard to necessarily suck with him regardless.

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Are Bayonetta's nipples poking through? Never noticed that before

It has always bee-
>PvE
dumb underage

Terry is so based, he's the only one who managed to get Ash fucking angry.

You have good taste but by default annoying to fight. Not necessarily by playstyle but just out of necessity.
Quality quickplay core.
You want me to call you based right now, and I will. Based.
Sheik and Marth are the signs of a good and honest dude. That sounds really biased but I don't consider myself a Marth main, I have him up because I've been trying to learn him but I have like less than ten games. Good results though.
Blessed boomer.
8 is a shit ton. I'm lucky because I find most of the cast really boring to play so I've never had a character crisis in ultimate.
I've been wanting to pick up link but I have no idea how random quickplay links do it. I'm terrible at spamming and just spend the whole match trying to do cool bomb setups.

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Any sort of holistic assessment is thrown off by Zelda. Without her I'd say someone on the extremely respectable, if often ill fated mission of going ham as fuck 24/7, but with her brings the lingering doubt that you use your other character's speed to be a bait and punish fag.
Robin and Simon are dope. Ice climbers are really underrated even if you're not a one-tricking autist that can do advanced stuff. They hit like a truck and their side b is surprisingly good.

What I really want is for Hazardless to be switched to "platforms only" so you can get stuff like the megaman stage with all the moving platforms but no yellow douche

Oh also please jesus botw tower with the platform in the middle in hazardless instead of that cave of life.

There's nothing to discuss outside of that. Everyone is already leaving it for melee again.

There is plenty to discuss about the gameplay of smash ultimate and the current 73 playable characters in the game right now.

Yoshi is top tier

High tier but not top tier

Forgot to mention, the only reason Smash gameplay threads are honest to god rare on Yea Forums is because of the classic "Yea Forums doesn't play games" and this even extends to smash as well.
Rosterfags let's be real, they are almost similar to the Pokemon Genwunners.
>They both don't really care for evolving their respective series
>They both obsess over one specific being implemented in the case of rosterfags it's "THIS POPULAR REQUEST" and for genwunners they want their Kanto mons, and Kanto references.
>They are both insanely clueless about the main gameplay and what their respective characters are actually capable of, for rosterfags it's their playstyle, and for pokemon and it's the various abilities and stats and so forth.
>They are both massive casuals probably teetering on being total normalfags.

To list a few.

No, their body types are too different. It's a damn shame Square didn't let Hero have female alts like Sofia. There aren't any iconic female main protagonists with a realistic shot at getting in as third-party DLC.

Honestly expecting Metal Slug mii costumes, probably Marco and Fio gunner skins.

Enough is enough. It's time to buff King K. Rool!
>Hashtag free K. Rool

Pokemon doesn't care about evolving, I'm not sure why you think "genwunners" are the problem there. The games have barely changed from Red/Gold on. How long did it take them to get rid of HMs? Are poison and bug still basically worthless? I could go on.

Shantae

I said ALMOST
I merely mentioned that Genwunners don't care for evolving the franchise like the actual fanbase really does. Could have gone on the record about how they do not show concern for the current state of the main series games which holy fucking dogshit Game Freak. That's an entirely different subject altogether though.

I had to boil it down to 5 since the only character I could truly consider a main is Bowser, but there's a bunch of character I enjoy playing as on the roster that I like to shuffle through when playing with friends/online.

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No, because the game is stale.
It needs a brand new fleshed out mode or something because with every DLC character it's just
>"oh cool they were released"
>play a few matches
>"cool, i have all the spirits, finished world of light and nintendo's online infrastructure is shit so playing online isn't fun and depends on whether or not the person I'm fighting has a decent internet connection"

It would be fine to even just have text box dialogue interactions, in my opinion.

This is the main problem with Ultimate.
The lack of content + paid online (with Nintendos shitty online infrastructure)
Ultimate could stand to have way more single player content compared to what it's lacking right now.

I think that Hero is actually very fun to play as and it's a shame people shat on him as hard as they did because of two KO moves that don't always connect and random crits
He's still very capable of getting ganked on since he fights like a shittier Link and needs to open up a menu to perform those KOs. If you aren't stupid you should be able to dodge half those moves
Hatchet Man is rarely ever used for how slow it is and I've had my entire mp wasted because someone punched me just as I was about to use Magic Burst
Characters like Wii Fit trainer and Inkling have moves that allow them a free hit kill so I don't know why snooze pisses people off other than they ran into it

Meanwhile players like Joker seem to be allowed to waste an entire round just to get Arsene so they can spam projectiles till you're close enough to death so they can flick you away
Kamikazing other people to death in a group fight when you're on your last stock is funny as shit. It's like playing Snake and dying but you still had a land mine planted somewhere and it went off on someone having a 1v1 and it killed them, ending the match

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Some smash players or at least the main shitters like Leffen are adverse to RNG, even if the character in question is still insanely gimmicky and barely benefits from the RNG.
Though top level players, and the general community as a whole agrees that Hero is probably a mid tier character at best, and is just too inconsistent to really work all the time.

The RNG freak out was interesting to watch, cause anyone who plays competitive games should know that RNG hampers you as much as it helps. If anything it tends to hamper you more, I don't know of any RNG heavy fighting game character that is also top tier. I'd blame the general smashies don't play other games, yet Leffen was at the front of that whole push and he has played other fighters. I think it stemmed from this general need in the community to make smash"right."

Alright Yea Forumsros, i have some juicy info, feel free to not believe me, you'll be wrong in the coming months

>The Doom Slayer is the final DLC character of the Fighters Pass
>Porky Minch from Earthbound will be given for free to NSO members as a bonus.
>Steve is being worked on for the second pass
>The Geno Mii Costume will return when Terry is released and add 2 remixes of the Mario RPG game.
>Dante & Lloyd are being planned for the second pass.

On a separate note, Epic Games demanded for the Fortnite avatar to be in the game but Nintendo inmediately rejected their offer

I'm kind of annoyed how a series i grew yo with and hace fin playing it it just now a series that only live from they hype. There were only minor chances to they gameplay since Brawl and sometimes it's tiresome to play they same game with they only good shit being new characters (and sometimes less characters) and they test it's cut like story,events,targets , etc.
At least real fighting games try to reimagine themselves tome to tome, hell even fucking Mario party and kart reinvent their formula
It's all so tiresome

>even fucking Mario party and kart reinvent their formula
lol no they didn't

>i have some juicy info
Stopped right there

It isn't unusual for a fighter to stick with a similar formula for 2 or 3 entries. Especially when you have a 4 to Ultimate situation where one is being built off the last. Kinda like KoF did, yearly revisions meant while there were changes it was all in a similar ball park until you got a real break after a dream match.

Also when you get such a large casual following of course the discussion will move from gameplay to hype, MK suffers from the same thing. The funniest shit was when someone asked /mkg/ which character was the most honest, and they responded by talking about personality not gameplay.

>tfw don't care about the meta
>tfw I main Captain Falcon because he's cool and I like F-Zero
>tfw I did the same in Brawl with Snake
Anyone else here /falconchad/?

Subspace was garbage, but yeah World of Light wasn't much better either outside of a good finale and some of the areas like the Street Fighter one having good presentation.

Would like to see a more fun and laidback approach than a more serious premise next time, perhaps with more character interactions and fanservice.

I main Young Link because I grew up with Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, they're among my favorite games ever

>perhaps with more character interactions and fanservice.
I wouldn't be surprised there are some restrictions on this because of the scale of crossovers, but it is the one place smash really falls short. No special intros, no pre-fight dialogue, no win quotes and very little interaction. Subsapce was the closest we ever got, and lame as the mode was those cutscenes were the coolest thing to me.

When it comes to the other three, I am undoubtedly an unga bunga player. I try to play Zelda in the same way somewhat, though I take a bit more of a cautious approach with her and punish with lightning kicks when I see the other opportunities. But for the most part I bulldog/unga bunga.

Right here my man.

Based.

>- Assassin
It was an accident tho