Why do game devs want to make themselves even poorer?

wait hold the fuck on
why delta even involved in this? what the fuck is going on

I don't know why everyone idolizes america so much, seems like a horrible place to live, especially if you're poor.

Why are americans so afraid of basic human rights and foreskin?

J*WS

Get rid of the jews and you no longer need unions.

is it even possible now

>ITT Non-Americans pretend to be better than the states. despite literally having to make up metrics as to why
Unless you live in literally switzerland you have no leg to stand on.

Not without a massive war

We're gonna need a bigger boat

Yes. Anti-union propaganda gets pushed by tons of major corporations. Amazon does it, Wal Mart does it. Corporations hate unions, because unions take away from their power.

>TFW Work for a smaller corporation who literally told us they can shut everything down and sell it to a larger company if we ever unionize and there's no legal ramifications for them.

Literally every single country with basic customer- and worker rights is instantly better than Muttmerrica

>Basic customer and worker rights
Where?

I thing the even worse part about that fucking ad is that they didn't even attempt to give out a "decent" advice, not like say the money for something more important like mortgage payment or car payment or other necessity
No, better spend all that money on fucking video game, that gonna be a good choice

>A company buying another company in the midst of labor issues

No one is this stupid.

>We are commited to our international interest and that's why we sold ourselves to BEIJING LOGISTICS to support our DIVERSE WELLBEING

>lmao unless you're Switzerland you can't criticize me
God, you're pathetic

>Get discreet recording device
> Talk to boss about possible unions forming
> Get that reaction recorded
> Go through with unionization
> If fired/shut down, sue and win.

it's just the usual scare tactics and it often just work
people just wouldn't dare call out that bullshit

Fuck unions. They're just a bunch of boomers that bitch and moan every time a company tries to change anything or fire some old fart. On top of that they take my money and I receive zero benefits. Unions are a fucking scam. Maybe at one point they were good but they're basically the boomer mafia now.

It's not "stupid" if it lowers the cost and you don't care about the company or the employees, but are just buying it for the IP. This shit is big in programming (in fact, this is the entire point of a startup, in most cases, to build an attractive IP and get bought out), and you've seen it in video games before.
A small company has an attractive product or IP that the bigger company wants to leverage, so the bigger company buys the smaller company, fires literally everybody, keeps the smaller company's name on branding, and goes on with business as usual plus an extra product.

Why do burgers hate unions?

recording someone without their knowledge isn't admissible in court without a warrant

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I remember when I used to work food-service, in the backroom by the managers office there was a poster that said something along the lines of 'You have a right to work. Don't let a union take that away from you.'
Thought it was the funniest thing

lmao, yeah but this would be a new union in a non-union industry, meaning I would be founding it (best position to be in)

>Express a desire for the country to properly adopt a healthcare system similar to what the rest of the civilized first world uses
FUCK YOU COMMIE YOU WANT AMERICA TO BE EXACTLY LIKE VENEZUELA AND NORTH KOREA

Because the red scare fucked us up so badly psychologically that we inherently resist anything that vaguely resembles communism, even if it is in the strong benefit of public well-being.

muh gommunism

Finland.

Your boss called, his boots need licking.

Oh, right, if you are in USA. Canada allows it when at least one party (including recorder) is aware of it.

temporarily embarrassed millionaires who can't stand the thought that labor has bargaining power

but more commie fear would be a positive for worker rights, not a negative...unions themselves only became legal out of fear

Because everything that might hurt companies a little bit is communism for americans.

Health insurance lobbies don't help, to be honest. It's not all the ignorant masses when you have billions of dollars in marketing, legal action, and political lobbying pushing against it.

Depends on the state you live in

Fuck you, commie. You fuckers have taken more of my money then shekelberg.

poor people forming a collective that gives them some form of leverage over rich people is communism, didn't you know?

That's a nice failing business you have there. It'd be a shame for all your labour got... restructured

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God, what a sad existence that must be to feel like a temporarily embarrassed millionaire, never feeling like you have enough so you drain your best years away for someone else's crumbs...just so you can have a slightly flashier car than your neighbors...sad existence.,..

I guarantee you they haven't.

Boomers are the ones that hate unions though

I've heard unions are scams that are basically run by the corporations anyway. Is there any truth to this? I have no idea how they work

>Why do game devs want to make themselves even poorer?

Because you are ignorant about unions

Corps are terrified of their employees unionizing

If unions are so great then why doesn't one game dev unionize and then BTFO all of the other ones with their superior structure?

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Because America went hardcore authoritarian right after WWII in response to the USSR. We hate anything that brings our political alignment slightly back to the center line

Really now. Because I distinctly recall unions taking a few hundred bucks of my already small paycheck. On top of this they spam my mailbox saying they always need more money. Its always money money money bitch whine moan money give us more money.

>Maybe at one point they were good
And every benefit and proper work conditions you have now is because of that.

Everyone I know in a union makes really good money, especially considering how retarded they are. Construction buddy was making 150k as concrete team foreman by 35. An older friend of mine didn't have a steady job for the 10 years I had known him just got into the cameraman union and is now getting a $600 day rate.

I find it hilarious how Americans obsessed with the socialism boogeyman are so afraid of a proper good tax-funded healthcare system, when it’s statistically proven that the system that USA is in now is the most expensive healthcare system per capita in the entire world.

>healthcare costs per capita are over 10 kilodollars yearly in land of the free
>healthcare costs per capita are under 5 kilodollars yearly in the nordic ”socialist hell” I live in
Granted, the pay of doctors is higher in USA so it would be more expensive than in here even if they adapted a similar model, but there’s no way in hell that it could get any more expensive than it is now.

>Rich people ever getting properly in trouble in America
lmfao

Devs are all leftist libertarians high on their own farts who think they are all pro negotiators and their employers would never mistreat them. Even when crunch is a documented fact of life working in the industry

wow, 1 country exists that's better than usa

America has a punitive healthcare system but ironically it's also the best at keeping people alive.

Which actually leads to another moral argument of doctors keeping the dying alive so they can bill more.

youtube.com/watch?v=uRpwVwFxyk4
Unions r bad, mmkay?

>what are taxes and the irs

>yes goy why pay due to a union when you could be spending $700 on video games instead

god i fucking hate capitalist cock suckers

Because the average video game dev is a genuine fucking moron

theyre just too stupid to do that

>unions work like this
based retard

This but I don't have any skills or money anyways so unions are worthless to me.

I like it when I know my tax dollars aren't subsidizing some lardasses lifestyle.

>work a desk job and make a middle class wage
>LARP as le oppressed working class

>Oh, you want to unionize?

>Okay have fun. Also we're replacing you with Ranjesh, who will work for half your pay and has no interest in unionizing.

>Also YOU demanded I let Ranjesh into the country because not doing it would be racist lmao thanks bro

Solve that one libfags

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There was actually a major game dev that ran on a more commune based system recently.

They caused one of their own to commit suicide because zoe quinn said something funny and now I wonder if she said it because it was a union.

Legal thiefs.

but they are, they just have to sign up to die for Israel first

"We are not anti-union, but we are not neutral either."

LMFAO!!!!!!!!

The poorest people in America have 60 inch flat screens, iphones, and suffer from obesity

Even if it was ultimately cheaper for you too?

>know retards who actually believe this irl

living in the midwest is suffering

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Isn't this ad indirectly doing the opposite of its intended effect?

As long as you're not retarded you'd start to question why anyone would PAY MONEY to spread such a message.

im calling bullshit on this, no fucking union taking a few hundred bucks out of every of your paycheck
even the fucking ads of a suppose airplane union only mention 700 for a year

Because the average delta worker can't read or speak english

>It's your money. Don't you think you should let us tell you how to spend it?

Thieves*
But you're right about that.

Except Ranjesh can't code for shit because like pretty much every Indian, they cheated in school and have a worthless Indian degree...

Based health insurance business acting as the casual filter of real life, absolutely based

I work in Pharmaceutical Industry and we have no unions either.

Feel free to leave anytime you want.

The burgers who hate unions do so because they drank the 'freer the market, the freer the people' kool-aid, and also because the last 50 years or so in terms of the US labor market, particularly the Rust Belt, has been a story of overly exorbitant union contracts finally coming home to roost, which incentivized almost the entire US manufacturing sector to move to China, along with the blatantly corrupt and decadent public worker unions which make the most incompetent private sector union member look like the ideal employee. Not to mention that most large unions in the United States are corrupt as shit and half of them are/were a front for organized crime

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Imagine saying this kinda shit when his tax money go to israel and the military to do nothing but waste and bomb people for fund

Oh, you're a racist? I'm afraid you've been canceled and won't be able to find employment anywhere from now on.

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tech industry is probably one of the hardest to unionize because nobody in it grew out of their libertarian phase

Yea Forums is never tired of licking the boss taint. Have some dignity, unemployed neets.

But one day they will be your mafia.

It's as retarded as people who want to abolish welfare after paying in for 40 years.

gobble gobble gubmint pls give all my contributions to corporations gobble gobble

That is basically how unions act in my country, they will only benefit those in their closed circle, if you are a random who was recently fired, they will ignore you because you didn't suck the union's ego dick.
Pure fucking bullshit, unions should help everyone, not just their friends.

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of course you dont, already making too much from selling drugs for 20 times the price of most other places

As yes, but with a union, my salary will be good so I'll be able to afford both my dues and all the vidya I want.

>Steven T. Johnson, 27, works in social media advertising and lives in Hollywood. He spends most of his days using things he does not own.

>He takes a ride-share service to get to the gym; he does not own a car. At the gym, he rents a locker. He uses the gym's laundry service because he does not own a washing machine.

>Johnson doesn't even have an apartment, actually. He rents a bed in a large room with other people who rent beds, for nights, weeks or months at a time, through a service called PodShare. All the residents share a kitchen and bathrooms. Johnson also rents a desk at WeWork, a coworking space. And he says the only clothes he owns are two versions of the same outfit.

>Johnson says he owns so little that he has even been able to get rid of his backpack. "I gave that up two months ago," he says. He says that for him, this lifestyle isn't cumbersome or confusing. "That's what's great," he says. "When you don't own things, you don't have to keep track of them. You just show up."

This man pays $1,400 a month to rent a bunk and an additional $600 a month to rent a desk to work at.

npr.org/2019/04/23/715107132/the-affluent-homeless-a-sleeping-pod-a-hired-desk-and-a-handful-of-clothes

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I also like it when my hard-earned dollars go to subsidize some health insurance executives lifestyle.

It's only 2 people samefagging about being anti-union

And Australia, New Zealand, Canada, all the Scandinavian countries, and nearly the entirety of Europe.

Sorry your country isn't all it's made up to be

Why do you retards always say this? The people working in the labs arent the ones making the money. I only get paid 35,000 Euro a year. Its the business people who get paid lots.

cuck-life

jesus

I’d rather work as a blue-collar worker in some podunk and own a house, than live doing some ”trendy” industry stuff and then spend my life like that. Jesus fuck.

Don't worry that'll be fixed soon

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Company store stopped selling amenities, began selling living and work space.

If people like this exist irl I'd love to see them in their 60s or 70s when they can no longer work and on top of that have the extra expense of buying medicine or going to the doctor regularly

should have be more specific bro, how can I just magically know you are from eu and not one of the lobbyist when all you said is you work in the pharmacy industry
sorry for the lash out, im just sick of the situation in the us with the pharmaceutical industry, they are a big problem that make health care suck dick here

>America has a punitive healthcare system but ironically it's also the best at keeping people alive.
Yep, and all the people from socialist shithole countries come here because their bread-lines for treatment keep them waiting forever otherwise. Socialist medicine also isn't very good at keeping the elderly and infants alive either because of quality adjusted life years. Once you're not valuable to the commies and can't work anymore, you go to the back of the breadline.

When they become political then yeah fuck em. Alot of them don't really care about politics, especially in the US, in which case, fuck you.

>1920s-1950s
>Workers literally went to war with their employer over worker's rights.
>Communities fought police and debt collectors so war widows could keep their houses/farms.
>Baby boomers threw that all away in favor of leashes.
>Baby boomers call themselves the super bad-ass anti snowflakes even though they practically burst into tears if you so much as criticize them.
I used to be one of those "God I hate humanity" fags, but it turns out I just hate baby boomers.

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They gonna feel just right at home again when they share room at the nursing home

Just think about this. Even with several hundred thousand black "refugees", Europe still has less of a black population than the US.

Unions in austtalia are pretty much all just fronts for communist organisations.

Homosexuality, more blacks, corporate culture everywhere and more leniant borders is apparently the way to benefit the working class

Because they’ll all get fired and replaced by fresh university grads who will shut up and do what they’re told. The field is pretty oversaturated.

Isn't it illegal to fire someone for unionizing

any source or number to back that up?

Not pharmacy reeeeeeeeee. Pharmaceutical.

Surplus of labor and the ease of being able to move operations with relative ease compared to most fields of work. You can't really unionize if you're job is easily replaced by the hordes of people with a Bach degree with coding, and/or one day they decide to just move the studio to another state or country for less stringent working laws
You know how many wannabe gamedevs there are out there, the devs that managed to get past the entry-level phase get nice enough working conditions if every tour of a gamedev studio ever is any indication, but entry-level game dev work is a literal revolving door of endless QA until you burn out and quit, only to replaced by the next bright-eyed wannabe dev to take their place

>'strayan can't even type proper English but screeches about muh communism
Yup, exactly what I expected.

no, but there is a problem
the problem is in the US there is this thing call "at-will employee" so if you agree on that they can fire you for any reason or even no reason
and they usually don't until they start see you doing shit like trying to start a union

Depends on the area I imagine. Here in north carolina an employer can fire you for anything, and its right in the bible belt so if you aren't praising the lord on lunch break you're fired. They hear a fart that sounds like union talk and you're fired.

If the state is right-to-work they can fire you for anything.

>work as a cashier for three years
>forced to be in a union
>get paid minimum wage
>time off is out of my pocket
>I can’t even make the meetings because I work
You’re a fucking zoomer who never worked in a union if you like them

>You can only ever like unions completely or hate them
>You can't have an educated response that Unions are a great benefit to workers rights, but heavily prone to corruption into Oligarchies that work for their own benefit.

At the end of the day a Union is supposed to be a mediator between business and worker, not a strongarm society designed to abuse both worker and business to get their way.

That's how you get things like teaching unions protecting horrible and inept teachers.

Exactly. They're gonna need way more.

Keep in mind that there are 500 million more Africans right now than there were when the Playstation 2 came out.

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Whats good job with decent pay and low stress? I got chemistry degree and worked for Pfizer but it was way too stressful so I went back to college and got Business Analytics degree but working in this is also extremely stressful and long hours.

What? About the people from other countries coming here or the quality adjusted life years thing? Ask any Canadian about the former, (they all fucking come here) and for the latter, look back at the Charlie Gard incident in the UK. For the academic concept itself, you can look into Ezekiel Emmanuel and his writings.

it's 10 am, i need to go to sleep

Such a good little drone

Because McCarthy died ~60 years ago and his legacy still lives today

Unions are fine if you work in a trade.

I'm not a union member, but putting up a "please no don't join the union" poster is pretty pathetic.

>Pfizer
>stressful
Really?

Are European worker unions less corrupt than American ones? Or is it just that we Ameicans suck up to our corporations much more than Europe?

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Don't care. My dad's current job is doing God's work and kicking out illegals and I've never been more proud of him.

teaching at an upscale private school that's mostly white

You're forgetting the horrible series of corrupt Unions in America who took money from the Mafia to the fucking soviets.

>thinly veiled /pol/ thread

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Did you work for them? I had to work 12 to 13 hours a day Mon to Fri and 4 hours on Saturday in clean rooms.

>LA

Not surprised in the slightest

Both.
There are way fewer scandals involving high-ranking union people over here, yes. And yes, you suck up to your corporations more.

>all these anti-union people that don't even own game companies

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You are the one who claim that they are all coming here for better treatment so you better show some sources or number, im not interesting asking any canadian for anecdote. What if i ask one and they said they don't do that or ever know anybody who did that, then you would be the one screaming about how they are lying next

>>I used to be one of those "God I hate humanity" fags, but it turns out I just hate baby boomers.
I know that feel

How is that any relevant to the conversation, shit tier deflect.

Fucking this. I was in a union for a grocery store. They stole money from me every week on a minimum wage, and refused to give benefits to anyone who wasn't there for 2 years or more, but gave gimped benefits after 6 months.

McCarthy was fucking right all along, it turns out. We literally have open socialists in high elected positions today.

If you were intelligent you wouldn't need faggot organisations that force people to pay you more than you're worth.

I'm so sick of inferior people demanding equality. Maybe you're just not fucking equal. Maybe you don't deserve what you demand. Maybe people shouldn't be forced to subsidize lazy faggots like yourself.

Both. American unions are more corrupt, but your average socialism-fearing boomer would still hate unions even if they consisted only of the most pure and innocent people in existence.

The ones that want a union are the diversity hires, they want to stop the actual skilled developers out-performing them.

oh dang, you're right. Better lick corporate boot hardcore now. You fucking Clown Car in human form.

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Both, can clearly just see from this thread

Sort of.

Here in Britbong Land a Union doesn't force you to be a member and fights for the benefits for all workers, unlike what alot of burger Unions do.

However many Unions in the UK, especially the Teaching ones, are literal socialist crackdens who push weird dogma on the teachers. They're also really against teachers not being part of the union for that reason.

Humans are incapable of ruling themselves. Greed and ignorance takes hold every time.
The only solution would be for a super AI putting the well-being of humans as its top priority to take over all legislative and economic decision making.

No it isn't you fucking moron

>why does labor, taxation, public services, government corruption, etc. work great in my 95%+ white country compared to a shithole like the US?
>ah well it must just be the superiority of my social democracy just bring in a couple million more monkeys it'll be fine

My mom makes 100,000 a year running her own store. And thats after expenses and wages paid to workers.

Unions are bullshit but if you're being abused as a worker that is entirely on you

How stressful do you think it is to work for these companies? Do you think they work their employees like dogs, in exchange for being able to put a reputable company on their resume/CV?

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It's legal in Kentucky

Yikes, user. Projecting, much?

Delta is based in the deep south, they are not union, there was a push for them to become a union, this was some of the anti union propaganda they came with.
theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/12/delta-workers-pro-union-report-threats-management

Based as fuck.

>if you were intelligent
Let’s not fucking pretend that every corporation is a flawless meritocracy. It would be fucking nice if that was the case, but it simply doesn’t work like that. Thus, unions were born

Let's be honest, Ranjesh would've been brought in by the company to replace you whether he's an actual citizen or came here illegally.

>Charlie Gard
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futile_medical_care

It's not a secret or anything, retard. It just seems you're ignorant of anything that isn't a focus-group approved study.

This thread just makes me depressed. I wish that people here didn't have to immediately devolve into jew-bashing for fucking everything. Like shit guys, you don't need to be anti-Semitic to be pro-Union

Are you so fucking braindead you think having valid skepticism for huge unions means you are automatically a bootlicker.

Tell me, How did the massive extremely oppresive strongarm Unions help the Rust Belt exactly? At the end of the day you need to understand jacking up your price for labour will make people look elsewhere, you can't blame a company for leaving the country if the Union wants to bankrupt you with outrageous wage costs.

Look at the strikes over GM right now; Those workers are already paid amazing fucking wage packets, but the Union is pushing simply for power over GM.

Let’s not pretend labor laws are still non existent like in 1800s

>It's as retarded as people who want to abolish welfare after paying in for 40 years.

You know there's these things called "principles" that some people have where they do things outside of immediate self-interest for either a greater cause or a moral reason.

>We literally have open socialists in high elected positions today.
Name one politician in the US who is advocating for the seizure of private property and putting the means of production into the worker’s hands.

btw, social democrats (i.e. Bernie, AOC) =/= socialism

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Oh no, free americans choosing their ideology. I can't have this kind of wrongthink better mark them as enemies of the country.

Some US unions work at actually providing job security and benefits without bleeding the business (ie industrial work that requires people with specialized skills), most don't. Unions for low wage work or easy-to-train office work in the US are mostly scams, organized mobsters playing middleman to fuck over both employees and employer, neither party benefits.

Unions for low skill labor/service in some other parts of the world may actually work, but if the McJob isn't already paying the burgers more than $15 USD an hour, the threat of unionizing alone (let alone picketing for a big wage hike) will just get everyone fired and replaced by mexicans or robots.

omg so much trouble doing this union shit and all their games suck ass. Why can't you guys be like japan where they dont have these issues and also happen to make GOOD games?

user they’ve always been political.

This is why I fucking hate unions. I worked in a factory for a summer to make some money for school. Pay was great, about $15 an hour. However I had to join a union. Not just any union too. I had to join fucking Teamsters. Those bastards took a fat chunk of my paycheck every month and I got zero benefits. I got nickeled and dimed all the way to the bank thanks to them.

>Australia
No thanks, I want to keep my decent internet speeds and loli porn.

We need to make it illegal for companies to send resources over seas. We the people own the land we live on and thus the resources that land contains and if it's being sent to china for pennies on the dollar perhaps that's the problem there.

>implying that's hard to get around
user, it isn't because you unionized, it's a company restructuring to improve staff diversity, it's high time we reflected modern America.

Whats the Difference between a massive Union and a Work Agency at that point user?

Nintend delayed AC so i don't think they are all that horrible, and they seem to keep their employees for a long time.

Be excited, they're all about to die out or become effectively useless from old age in the upcoming years.

>We need to make it illegal for companies to send resources over seas.

Are you fucking retarded? How do you expect international trade?

Nah, it's just commies and jews that like to fuck over everyone so they can buy another yacht. Kill all the jewcommies and the world would be perfect.

I talked with some people who worked at MS, the job is easy, 80% can be done remotely, and the teams had freedom to choose their own projects, personally I hate MS, I'm not going to try a job there because I hate them.

Unions were needed, but then they went too far, and become corrupt and shiftless, and the japanese ate them alive!

I never claimed Unions are perfect. There is no perfect system. People can and will try to take advantage.

>when Boeing announced they were moving their airplane factory out of the Seattle area in favor of a more tax-friendly climate, Sawant called for Boeing workers to take control of the factory and the airplane manufacturing machinery within, and to use it to make "solar panels instead of weapons of war"

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>$1,400 a month to rent a bunk
We have arrived in Hell

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The Brit government literally forced the parents to let him die when the Vatican offered to treat him with experimental medicine. Put fucking officers outside the hospital to make sure they didn't take him out. You're only fooling yourself if you think it was about ethics and futile treatment, it was about rationing and the state deciding who gets to live on "their" dollar. His parents paid into the system all their life, then they have the arrogance to tell them no, they know better.

Japan doesn't have jews

>literal kike propaganda being shilled on Yea Forums
good goy

Some skill/knowledge =/= intelligence.
Intelligent people succeed wherever.

Regardless, the only thing preventing motivated and intelligent people from absolute violence is the ability to succeed through peaceful means. Thete is a tipping point that is difficult to quantify where I would rather wage insurgency than pay taxes to retard niggers or morons who waste their life on recreation then demand to have everything that others worked for.

Social Democrats are literally socialists though, they pretend it's different but when they want to take command of entire sectors of the economy it's socialism.

>We literally have open socialists in high elected positions today.

I want to live in the world reactionary boomers believe is real

>Being this racist
>Implying Western devs can code and don’t just use google for every error

Apparently Nintendo treats their employees really well

>International Trade
It's stealing from the common people to line the pockets of the rich. We have more than enough resources to be self sustainable as a country why should we give it away for nothing?

do you really? It sounds like they're terrified all the time.

>Name one politician in the US who is advocating for the seizure of private property and putting the means of production into the worker’s hands.
That's communism. Socialists advocate for the seizure of the means of production by the state for the people. And YES the fucking "social democrats" are socialists. We're not stupid, you commies change up the words every couple decades, but you're all the same shit with the same end goal.

I make 1200 a week and the union only takes like 60$ a month dude.

>$600 MONTHLY to rent a desk
Fucking what? I could buy a desk for a quarter of that.

The best off people in my family belong to trade unions. Vacations, etc. I think I'll have to get in on the action.

You can be intelligent AND lazy, user.

>jeff bezos is better than the rothschilds

he doesn't have his own place so he can't work from home despite apparently having a job that supports working remotely

All I see is you making a claim without any fucking proof or source to back it up, and I never deny there are other people come to the US for better treatment. I saw rich middle easterners come for treatment all the fucking time, but claiming " all the people from socialist shithole countries come here for treament" is just pure bullshit and you still don't get jack shit to back it up
Your statement is just as valid as mine when I claim you spend every weekend sucking off dudes for change

America, besides it's military and GDP, isn't number 1 at literally anything. Our literacy rate is trash, shithead conservatives make sure happiness levels stay low due to gross income-inequality. Our healthcare system is literally second-world.

Nintendo with the Japanese work culture is a bitch I'd imagine. Working for NoA though, idk

Oh so you're just fucking retarded then.

Window's closing fast, Trump is fucking them over hard with the latest rule changes on apprenticeship programs.

Unions suck dick and dont improve anything. And in the long run get staffed with agents of people who they were supposedly against.

Lmfao he's not just renting the furniture, he's renting the spot where the desk sits in the CoWorking office

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Why is it everything got perverted much more in burgerland compared to other first world countries

Why do Anglos work such long hours?

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Nintendo treats its employees well, apparently. It's just the bosses who work themselves to death by all accounts.

Yea Forums is pozzed as fuck, my dude

Not a union member and in my country literally the only difference that makes is that I can't call the union's shitty lawyer help line if I ever need legal help with work related stuff. Closed shops are unconstitutional here in the civilized world, praise tengri.

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>Conservatives
>Responsable for income-inequality

California and most Democrat states have the worst income-inequality indexes out of the states in the US mate.

This
Sounds like people complaining about unions are people that work in grocery stores instead of actual trades
If you want to complain about unions complain about the fact that the laziest cunts won't get fired

I pay 35€ for my engineers union and after tax deduction it's only 20€. This poster is hardly accurate.

Wait so he goes into his employers office and pays money to use a desk?

Do all commie arguments boil down to
>rich man bad
or something?

Most union shills love to say how beneficial they are to workers, and yet at the same time are extremely opposed to any form of "Right to Work" laws.

If unions are so great, why are employees often forced into joining them against their will? Shouldn't that be up to the employee to decide if he wants to join or not?

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>Our literacy rate is trash
We used to be #1 in the world before the federalized dept of education.

Also, conservatives make happiness levels stay low? I'm sure all those Californians and New Yorkers fleeing to red states sure are so happy that they're leaving their shitholes in droves. I wish you dumb liberals actually believed your own bullshit and stayed in your containment states.

Actually you can, only difference is that you wont get trust fund when your contract ends.

Yeah, that number is near the total of the OP post, 60 * 12 = 720. That dude is just bullshitting
Also reminder before this you can still claim union dues as tex deductible, the current government passed the act in 2017 to stop it

no, WeWork is a shared work space that you can rent space to work. A lot of start-ups use it instead of a real office. But since he's paying for a desk himself, he likely works remotely.

Holy shit this is the biggest scam ever invented.

It's literally a shitty starbucks full of children's desks.

>Unions are against laws that prohibit unions
Wow, amazing how that fucking works.

You do realize George Orwell was a socialist, right?

Yes, and all anti-commie arguments boil down to
>rich man good

The Jews fear the samurai.

the union system is utterly fucked in the US.

We actually needed them 100 years ago and more when they first showed up en masse. Before that the regular working man was getting shafted by big corp, you can thank unions for all of your work exits and whatnot. However unions became corrupt as fuck and generally pretty much all of them need to be cleaned up but it will never happen.

And now those who lived off being in a union when unions were great 30 years ago hate unions because it eats into their profit.

Devs:
>Fuck our audience! We need to prioritize people who don’t play games and journalists
Also Devs:
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY AREN’T YOU SUPPORTING OUR UNIONS? HOW ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO AFFORD THE NEW IPHONE FOR MY WIFE’S SON IF I DON’T GET PAID 500k ON 11 MONTH VACATIONS

MS isn't so bad, but it's a whole lotta nothing unless you are one of their star programmers. Hard part is getting in the door. Now Amazon on the other hand is a shitshow

They think a worker's union is something that can actually work for every single field and not just the ones that really do require the benefits to protect the employees such as big rig drivers, welders, etc. basically the actually dangerous skilled labor where the union can come in and be like "no these niggas ain't gonna put lives on the line without a safety net in place so you the employer better provide them one that meets their standards".
That voice actor union and this talk of a game dev union is just shit for the birds to try and block people out of an industry where there's a gorillion people coming to enter it.

You can't expect people who unironically think communism is good to be smart.

This 100%. If a union was so beneficial to ME, it would be opt in because the benefits would draw me in. Union shitters always say corps are so corrupt, but unions are just another corporation. Only they produce nothing. They just steal fucking money from the company and the employee.

God damn I hate those fucking fridges in the corner. It's like a vending machine except the food/drink costs double.

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George Orwell was an Anti-Authoritarian. He hated Socialist states as much as Facist states.

Fuck off with your propaganda you fucking bugman.

While I don't like the idea of unions in a lot of things, I really like mine as my boss Can't just fire me on a whim

>get union job
>have to pay $500 initiation fee
>weekly union dues
>dont get any benefits like more breaks until 3 months
>dont get the health insurance stuff for a year
>my bosses aren't in the union so they dont want you to use your union benefits and dont enforce them or inform you
>company just breaks union rules and gives a "if you dont like it you can leave" response
>work with fat ass senior employees who work at their own pace
>"just go work in that sector and do whatever they say, then you can leave when they dont need you"

whats the diffrence between being laid off unexpectedly one way or the other? you need a safety net either way
every industry should have a union, fuck even actors have unions and they are cushiest jobs ever

$700 is almost literally $2 a day.

Corporations have been spreading anti-union propaganda for years. Don't tell me you fell for it.

Voice actors have been worked till they lost their voices prior to union, you know the thing that they get money from. With union it opened loads more opportunities for voice actors to get more and better jobs instead of loosing their voice in six hours and then not do anything for the rest of the week.

If you're easily replaceable, then you need a union, but an anonymous one without a leader or the leader will become your second boss.

Now if you're a game developer, one that actually do shit like a programmer or 3D artist, you can just leave for another company fucking easily.

It's not communism though, WeWork is a business literally harvesting Soi-Socialists insect-like instincts.

I wish I had the idea and capital for this, it's fucking genius.

You're a genuine fucking idiot if you think "Rights to work" laws are pro union

They get fucked around differently here, they will keep their jobs but if something non essential but really dirty comes up they send them over and leave the hard workers alone.
Biggest problem is when your situation isn't the same as the majority's as you have no individual bargaining power but I'll take that over trusting manegment to not be greedy snakes who would fuck me over for 0.50$

Socialism has nothing to do with how authoritarian the government is.

Thank god we have Laws in the UK where Unions cannot allow direct contract benefits to members.

It means Unions need to actually negotiate for the workers and not just as a secret club.

>citing cali again without context
they are a much more unique situation than most state in america. all the tech industry pretty much based there so you get rich people popping up every year
and then you get homeless people travel to cali to live because of the nice weather
imagine being a homeless person and have to live through the winter of north dakota for example, or the summer of arizona. why the fuck would you not just move to cali for more bearable setting, it's the same shit anyway
not saying the state doesnt have problem but i keep seeing people naming cali like it is some sort of hellhole when people probably never fucking set foot there and only read about dumb shit parroting on Yea Forums

socialism is not inherited with authoritarianism, fascism is
“Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.”

Maybe your union is shit

Nine got me promoted in 15 years less than the average

>Right to work (for less) laws

Wtf, I mean, libraries and dunkin exist?

You can't have Socialism without Authoritarianism, that's why Orwell stopped fighting in the Spanish Civil War; He was expecting the Socialists to be more liberal, he was proven wrong.

Or can you explain to me how you're supposed to have the government take control of the means of production without Authority?

The current government with trump passed a new Act in 2017 making so that you can't claim union dues as tax deductible anymore, they are trying hard to kill it here

>The Squad is the face of the Democrats! They're all like AOC and Omar and Tlaib!

If fucking only dude

Socialism requires the seizure of the means of production by the state. I'd love to see the mental gymnastics required to claim that this somehow isn't authoritarian.

>when people probably never fucking set foot there
I don't want to set foot there. I don't want to step in the human feces and used needles.

t. retarded cali soifag

>tfw you had to choose between paying the chair rent and desk rent this month and now you have to stand for eight hours straight every day until next paycheck
I don't think I'm gonna make it bros...

thats communism retard

>implying (((they))) dont hire them deliberately so the product has a shorter shelf life so they can sell more in the long run

How are you going to enforce your nanny-state control freak bullshit without authoritarianism?

>get job
>company actually encourages union
>theres never been a use of union ever
based hotel chocolat

Implying democrats don't suck corporate cock just as well as republicans

Burger politics are beyond fucked.

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That seems a bit like a straw man argument. I feel that overwhelmed dev dealing with crunch would be addressed first.

Imagine unironically believing the side of king boomer jew shit like airlines are in the right

Socialism =/= totalitarian authoritarianism

Nintendo constantly delays their games so I doubt even their lowest codemonkeys get fucked over during crunch.

>You're a genuine fucking idiot if you think "Rights to work" laws are pro union

Luckily that has absolutely nothing to do do with what I said, but random point taken.

You're the retard, that is the definition of socialism. Communism is the seizure of the means of production by the people for the people. What the actual fuck do you and all these other idiots think socialism ACTUALLY is?

>americans
with proper unions, you american cunts wouldnt need daddy government to regulate minimum wages. a lot of countries here in europe just let the market sort itself out because the unions are actually functional.

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No it doesn't., just because karl wrote something doesn't mean you have to follow it to the t.

>voice actor and game development
> gorillion people coming to enter it.
what fucking reality are we living in now
no seriously, where is this even come from? most of the game companies got like a couple thousand people top, voice actor are even rarer
combined both of those 2 and you won't even touch the heel of garbage collector union for example

No, I only repeat republican talking points without thinking for myself.

The United States is also number one for incarcerated citizens.

>socialism is not inherited with authoritarianism
>Central powers is not inherited with central powers
Do people actually believe that Socialism is just le sharing and le trick-or-treating?

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We don't need "daddy government" regulating wages to begin with. The real minimum wage is zero, unemployment.

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Gotta fill up private prisons
t. Ronald Reagan

Socialism and capitalism can co-exists you fucking monkey, they are not mutually exclusive.

when i was working in the airline industry delta was leading the industry in paying their workers more at least for mechanics compared to other airlines. this was like 3-4 years ago so i don't know about it now

With all the fucking niggers and spics running rampant, you're damn right we're number one. For good reason.

Yeah, Walmart hates the fuck out of unions. The reason none of their stores have butchers in-house any more and only get prepackaged meat is because the butchers tried to unionize, so Walmart just tossed the whole bunch of them out.

Why is Facebook so pro-Democrat? Aren't Democrats for higher taxes and regulations, which hurt the private sector?

Orwell's ideal form of Socialism was a form of Anarcho-Syndicatism.

And if you're not a fucking brainlet, you'd understand Socialism is directly contradictory to Syndicatism.

"I worked out an anarchistic theory that all government is evil, that the punishment always does more harm than the crime and the people can be trusted to behave decently if you will only let them alone."

Near the end of his life Orwell was directly supportive of the Labour Reformation, which was when the Labour party threw out all the Syndicatists, Socialists and Communists.

Orwell fundamnetally was a Left-wing political thinker, but like many rational men in this debate, found Socialism fundamentally flawed.

You forget about the immense level of outsourcing being done in most games and that many games are co-developed between companies. Spyro Reignited had its graphics modeled entirely by Indians overseas, and nobody even knew until they read the credits.

>when literal peasantry is better than living in LA

California's issue isnt inherently based in Republican or Democrat, but because it is the hotbed for the incrediblu lucrative tech and media entertainment industries. This results in a fucking massive wealth inequity which contributes to a lot of the problems you see today

Do you just randomly spout Occupy Democrat memes and buzzwords in real life too?

You literally cannot have Socialism without Totalitarianism.

That is literally the life story of George Orwell, His entire fucking biography is a man's tackling the fundamental flaws in Socialist Theory.

don't you understand? car insurance is literally genocidal! first they came to create a safety net, then they came for my life!

Cheap programmers

Walmart is the funniest shit, they opened in Germany, country where they have collective labor agreement managed by fucking unuons and they were trying to force people to leave unions, as if that would change anything the fucking morons.

they mistake freedom for letting their boss assfuck them on the daily

All the boot licker military faggots are king of socialism when it come to their own benefit, but outside of that they are pretend like they have no idea what it is about

Yes they are. How can you have free enterprise and a Freek market in Socialism?

Serious question, no meme answers: Why is "wealth inequality" so horrible? The way commies talk about it makes it worse than disease or mass murder

>tfw doing my bit to help the underclass by pirating all the media and software I use, and keeping my hardware for as long as I could

Fuck Hollywood and fuck Silicon Valley.

Look at where they're located and whom makes up the electorate in those area you retard.

>that single mom waitress should take on the entire industry mannnnn

>California's issue isnt inherently based in Republican or Democrat
>democrats have a stranglehold on the state politically but it's not a democrat problem
really makes you think. Cali did not have this problem when it used to be solid republican. Nor did a lot of the now-blue states.

then why is your government regulating wages, you brainlet?

>its a 'Yea Forums tries to argue what's communism and what's socialism' episode
Either case, imagine actually believing that anarcho-socialism is a good idea; Orwell had two fucking good books which were only successful because they were fictional allegories against authoritarianism and not his "the Soviet Union isnt REAL socialism" nonsense
At least he wasn't Sartre, who championed freedom so hard he tried to make sex with a child legal, while defending the Soviet Union's hyper-authoritarianism and the killing of its own peoples

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You don't have to use everything Mark wanted you fucking money. We are people we choose and pick best parts.

No, didnt you read his funny image? Being socialist means you must want to completely abolish the upper class? Fuck having a nuanced stance on things, all socialists are just into sticking it to the rich

Because it's horrible for capitalism too you fucking rubbernecked retard.

If people are getting poorer, how the fuck do you expect free market?

Gas all republicans

Unions are mafias in my country too (Argentina), and I still prefer them over whatever the fuck they have in America
>be browsing jobs on LinkedIn
>9-5, free weekends
>list of benefits
>overall friendly corporate language
>filter for remote jobs in USA
>12 hour shifts
>work saturdays
>"you have to be available from 8am to 12pm EST and we'll tell you your shift the night before"
>list of obligations
>overall unfriendly corporate language
>800 usd/month
I realize remote jobs are bottom of the barrel but if you switch over to yuro jobs it's night and day, some even offer visa sponsor/paid relocation to employees as new as Ssr

Oh boy I love all these video game threads on Yea Forums

Nothing to do with commies, more of economics we learned from Ford. Wealth inequality means everyone is worse off.

Mostly because people with too much wealth will inevitably fuck over people beneath them for no reason but to make sure nobody else can succeed Like they did (Or their parents in most cases).

>Pay 700 a year to the union
>Union raises your yearly wages by more than that
>Use the remainder to buy the new console.

Mark? You mean Marx? What the fuck as that knuckledragger got to do with Socialist Theory?

We're talking about Socialism you fucking retard; The means of production owned by the people's state.

How can you have free enterprise with Socialism?

Are you trying to argue that a government providing civic service via taxes is socialism?

>700 bux per year

Are American workers seriously this fucken poor that this is any significant amount of money?

lel you fags can't even gas the pests and rodents infesting your utopian cities

>I like it when I know my tax dollars aren't subsidizing some lardasses lifestyle.
The military is the largest and most expensive socialist program in the United States. You already are subsidizing some lardass' lifestyle and are receiving zero benefits from it.

What do we know about the experimental medicine? My grandmother passed by a lot of chemo to try stuff like... Boiling water on her breasts treatment. Which didn't work.

There's a reason experimental shit rarely is let fly

>We have arrived in Hell
Welcome to Los Angeles.

The Military is also the most effective research program in the US too, and at least 40% of why California is so wealthy.

I'll buy maybe one American game per year, if that.
I don't care if they unionize or not.
It doesn't matter if they don't make games worth playing.

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To buy more votes.

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It's not inherently horrible. The real issues are wage growth and ability to climb the wealth ladder, both of which have stagnated.

If only the rich can buy things like cars then nothing will sell because no one will buy enough cars to correct the auto market.

>Socialism's main text is a huge ass book explaining how capitalism works

This image is disingenuous af

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Mark or Marx as you like to call him, coined that phrase.
>How can you have free enterprise with Socialism?
Easy don't use Mark's theory of class and use instead, capitalism.

Well, that why the ad didn't say save it for food or essentials, it said to spend it on a fun luxury item.

just lol if you think greed is specific to jews

the jews just happen to be at the top a lot because they're better at business than whites are

>complain about blue states
>red states still accepting welfare from blue states like a mother fucker
apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

How convenient that these principles allign with allowing corporations to have none.

>Marx's theory of Class and instead use Capitalism

How the fuck does that work? Like really, do you even know Capital Theory at all?

The reason Socialism doesn't work with Capital Theory is Socialism literally denies free enterprise, which is the core part of Capital Theory.

not true, america was fairly socialist in the 50s and 60s but boomers and corporations tore down all that shit. the communism/socialism rhetoric is just a part of the corporate lobbying

I'd take a slim chance over none. Worst case scenario it becomes a case study for doctors and pharmacists to improve on their trials later. It should be my choice or the choice of the parents if they want to go that route, not the government's. The government does not care if you live or die because it can't care. It only cares about driving revenue. Like I said before, it's so arrogant that you can pay into the system all your life, then when you or your child really needs the help, they're denied because reasons.

Unions are as much about changing industry practices as they are about protecting the individual user

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LA is peasantry.

>2019
>A Commie STILL not understanding the difference between a Socialist, communist and a Liberal.

America was a very LIBERAL country until Boomers accepted Corporotism over Liberalism.

Most of the poor today have luxuries the poor 100 years ago could only dream of having. I'd argue that they're doing about as good as the rich. Besides, you idea that people will be "too poor to but things" is completely preposterous. Why would they not lower prices to accommodate the poor unless
>A) The rich just compulsively hate the poor and are willing to price them out from spite despite that affecting their bottom line
>B) The state interfering in their ability to actually do so by means of regulation

>actually linking to the AP thinking anyone takes journo retards seriously in the current year
o I'm laffin

Okay, to all the union haters and admirers, lets see hat we get from unions and where they are bad:
1). If you are an average joe with no future and no proper degree then unions are obviously good for you since you can keep lazying around and never get fired
2). If you are overperforming carreer oriented person who wants to get as much money as you can then unions are bad for you since they prevent you from getting a faster raise

Socialism is idea, socialism doesn't deny anything people who use that theory do. People can use what ever they want with it, they can say no to any part of it. China allows free enterprise but regulates it to a point.

Because with a wider income gap, Inflation and the price of goods skyrockets.

Look at fucking California where owning a home is damn near impossible because everyone who isn't earning a massive big tech salary is fucked over by big tech salary prices.

Wealth inequality is bad for everyone involved. The average person has reduced spending power which results in a much more stifled and homogenized market

You cant have complete laissez faire capitalism where people are selling off child sex slaves and destroying entire ecosystems for profit, and you cant have complete government seizure of all the property and means of production. There needs to be a middle ground

>90% corporate tax is liberal

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Also, the welfare accepted is all the niggers in the south who vote democrat by the way. Mo money fo dem food stamps

isn’t that the study that considers tax breaks as welfare?

Inequality hurts the economy and makes people literally unhappy

oecd.org/newsroom/inequality-hurts-economic-growth.htm

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So you have no actual education on Socialism or Capitalism theories and are just chanting Socialism like it's some kind of religion.

Shut the fuck up you philosophical brainlet.

Ford has already said that Americans don't buy cars and stopped selling some models in America in favour of Europe.

Are you literally retarded? union movement and socialism are aligned interests.

What the fuck is "well-being"?

To be honest a union won't protect you anymore in this industry. The current union push is lead by trannies and idiots who think it's more important to talk about gay representation than pay and medical

Theory is irrelevant you fucking moron, that is my point. What is relevant is practice and in practice Socialism is coexisting with Capitalism at this very fucking moment. Prime example is CHINA

Modern day ford is fucking retarded and chevy is enjoying the economic boost from their fuckups.

>I don't understand what Liberal means.

Liberal literally means "Government who provides civic policies and is not restrictive in legislative power"

90% corporate tax is fine when it's not being used simply to stuff the pockets of politicans and instead used to cover the costs that the corporations themselves may use.

Could you imagine how cheaper it would be for corporations if the Government was less bloated and used those funds better on things like Roads, basic healthcare and other infastructure systems that reduce costs for all?

Knowing leftists, it just means what they agree with or like.
It’s like how freedom indexes will have Sweden above the US despite the former jailing people for reporting crimes

>Capitalists can only work in giant strawmen
Shocking no one.

>China
>A literally Oligarchy where the only people with power are those who own large businesses and the common man is literally worthless

Nice, you know fucking nothing; Socialism and Capitalism can't exist together because they have fundamentally contradictory core principles.

Like I said, shut the fuck up brainlet, you know literally nothing.

>90% corporate tax is fine
Spoken like a true bootlicker

>have supermajorities in the California State Government
>Cali Democrats still haven't done anything substantial about wealth inequality or homelessness

What the fuck is wrong with them?

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>Complaining about AP, the pinnacle of objective news
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No.

Unions are dead lol

Yea, Oligarhy isn't in anyway contradictory to being socialist. It's contradictory to being communist but not socialist.

>Bootlicker
>Because I understand a well functioning civic base is the only true way to promote a proper free market.

Would you prefer monopolies that lead to stagnation and an ineffective pointless government?

AHAHAHAHAHA he really believes this shit

Did you even read the image nigga?

>He can't handle the truth
As expected

An Oligarchy isn't capitalism though, which is my point.

Oligarchy's are literally the reason Capitalism was discussed during the enlightenment.

>”rest of the civilized world” going to complete shit
>wtf why doesn’t America want to die with us?
Kek

Oligarchy has nothing to do with economic system, you fucking moron.

They don't actually care about poor people. It's all just a ploy to get elected.

MCJob ARE unionizing since years ago, this why they are pushing the Self Ordering Kiosk

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A lot of the Democratic party are just as bought out as Republicans.

You understand that inflation and by extension price of goods are directly caused by the state through the federal reserve and central banking right?

>in 20 fucking 19
>someone believes any of the media outlets is objective
What's it feel like to have a room temperature IQ?

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>refute your own dumbass claim
>”but it could theoretically still happen anyway”
Retard.

Healthcare systems are going to shit because of immigration and a lack of dynamic development.

The NHS was a net boon until Blaire showed up and literally flooded the country with Muslims.

>He actually believes the propaganda from his side
As expected of a puppet.

Did it ever occur to you that you don’t have to support either?

>Actually believing work performance makes you climb the corporate ladder and not sucking your boss's cock

Have you ever had a job in your life? In all the jobs I had, the most productive guy was the one that got the hardest tasks. This corporate-friendly idea of meritocracy is deeply naive.

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Which is pushing the values up because people who are mega rich can spend tons of money on property which inflates property values.

Or are you not understanding what we mean by income inequality is getting worse.

It's not that rich people are getting richer, it's that poor people are relatively getting poorer.

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>The age of anti-union sentiment is coming to an end

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Do you think health insurance companies work for free in Europe or something?

Yes it does you fucking idiot.

An Oligarchy cannot allow a Free Market or Free Enterprise, ergo, you cannot have Capitalism within an Oligarchy system.

You can literally only have true Capitalism in a Democracy.

I pay over 26000 dollars a year between taxes and union dues. Fuck having a union.

>he believes that the pay of doctors is the only factor deciding the overall cost of healthcare

I like what you're saying but you ever stop to think that racism like that is just used by the elite to keep us fighting so they can get away with shit like this? I do.

because unions are shit?
>but muh europe
I live in europe
any industry that has as a heavy handed union membership as US has is basically a nepotistic shitfest where your career goes to die

I guess it's time to break out this pic again.

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>Vox
>Not Hyper left
>Not in Unfair interpretation of the media
>Is in Complex Analysis

>He thinks Japan doesn't have crunch hours.

lmao

>Would you prefer monopolies that lead to stagnation and an ineffective pointless government?
No, which is why I don’t support a 90% tax, you fucking moron.
Do you think the government will suddenly do what you want simply because you gave them money?
Did you miss out on how major monopolies benefit the most from a more powerful government?
they won’t do what you want. They will use that power you are giving them to get votes from idiots that don’t know any better.
The corporations will just keep weeding out the competition by making it harder to even compete at all.

unions are a con job to trick workers out of their money

Mike is dumb.

An Oligarchy most definitely can allow freemarket, problem with oligarchy is huge amount of corruption not the economic system they en pose. And just FYI, free market isn't necessity in capitalism and socialism has history of supporting free market.

If that’s true then how come y’all are fleeing to Texas?
Stay the fuck out.

Well no shit. I wouldn’t have a problem with socialized anything if it only included white people. But we both know that if the US adopted a full public healthcare system tomorrow, it would be a financial sinkhole larger than any seen before in history.

I never said a powerful government. I said a Civic minded government.

a 90% tax is perfectly find when it's spent on civic duties that everyone benefits from; including businesses. The NHS was a masterstroke because it saved British companies for needing to supply medical coverage.

It sounds like you're so afraid of a government that actually works.

there really isn't anything wrong with this

I worked for unionized and non-unionized companies and the necessity for an union depends mostly on your work conditions.
My previous job didn't have one. The advantage was that since I'm a great jack of all trade and learn almost anything quickly, they could use me as a filler in every single department, which massively improved my field of competence in my resume.
My current one has one and NEEDS one because it's a big company that tries to overwork its workforce any way they can+ lots of shady shit like unpaid overtime, oppressive and abusive bosses and other practies that goes against our written convention.
It's kind of comical to see that we have a full collective convention that they are outright trying to go around right in our face. They have no choice but to pay overtime, but they don't, so the union is always dragging their ass to court and it becomes a financial battle of who has the best lawyers. Glad that I'm fucking off from there next month.

>Free market is not a necessity in Capitalism
>Socialism has history of supporting free market

You don't actually know what Free Market means do you?

You have no idea what Capitalism actually is.

Who are you quoting?

>Nearly one quarter of Japanese companies require employees to work more than 80 hours of overtime a month, according to a 2016 government survey. Those extra hours are often unpaid.

>90% income tax
>Not powerful government
please hang yourself you worth piece of shit

Well Duh, the NHS is a shitshow because it's being used as a health clinic for half the fucking Commonwealth and eastern Europe.

But that's where I said our governments have failed their civic duties.

>I actually produce worth

You don't produce shit but manual labor and you can be replaced just as easily as that. Enjoy your low level tech job getting replaced by an indian in the next few years.

Oh I do. But you for some bizarre reason think that free market is be all end all of capitalism. it's almost like you just listen to Crowder and believe everything he says without checking anything.

>I suffer in Midwest

This. But the concept of a union is a bit funny to begin with, because what you're essentially doing is banding together to force people to act as if you bring more value than you really have to offer.

People who support socialism just hear celebrities and e celebs say its about sharing and that capitalism is about making money

>It doesn't fit my per-conseved and biased notions so it's wrong
>I don't care about the methodology

>Thinks money is power

If the Government is forced to spend that 90% income tax on things that benefit the public, it's not a powerful government. The government has no right to deny you public access.

People are fleeing to the liberally dominated Texas cities due to the fucking massive wealth inequity in California and New York. Texas also has a housing market that isnt total shit dictated by tech entrepreneurs or Wall Street employees

if they were smart they would get a better job where they develop anything else

>muh employers
>muh unions
>muh boss
>muh wages
Wagecucks are so amusing.

>retards ITT actually think unions care about them and aren't just trying to take your money the same as your boss

Stupid goyim.

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No, I read things like Locke and Smith and understand the core fucking point of Capitalism is that the ability for free enterprise in a free market is the core principle of the philsophical idea.

Capitalism goes hand in hand with Democracies and Liberal republics, that balance the paradoxes of a free market and allow it to remain as free as possible with legaslative branches.

Socialism literally ignores these principles, as does an Oligarchy.

>I read things like Locke
We are done here, I can't stop fucking laughing.

Nigga Locke is the most basic bitch building block on Western Economic Philsophy.

Have YOU read Locke?

'value' is a meaningless concept under capitalism. Everything is about power Dynamics.

>be brazilian
>work at a grocery store
>nominally unionized
>check out who is the leader of the union
>has the same last name as the owner of the grocery chain, which coincidentally is the name of the chain
That was a few years ago but like, really dude?

>posts a literal dumbfuck nazi who affected fuck all in the US political arena
lmao

>Arguing about Capitalism and the free market.
>Laughs about reading locke

How do you even begin to talk about Capitalist theory without Locke?

Your union created an industry average of 15 years to promotion. How many non-union workers are there?

700 dollars a year is not all that much especially if you're working a union job which typically pays more than a non union job.

Right-wing media actually knows how to separate editorial and news and can own up to their own slants. Liberals cannot at any point in time be anything lower than a verified blue check and constantly lie to hide their bias while claiming impartiality. And dumb liberals like you actually BELIEVE THEM and their fake decorum like the AP.

>Dues cost me 659usd a year
>Union got me a 1usd raise netting me an extra 1920 before taxes
>Union mandated that I get to sit down and do whatever whenever I was finished with work or waiting for the rest of the facility to get its shit in gear and get stuff moving so I actually had something to do
>Union negotiated for the parking lot to be fenced in with a gate since car thefts in the area were on the rise

Hmmmm. All that or a new game system? I just don't know.

Well not in general, there's nothing wrong with work ethic and taking responsibility for oneself. But the wording makes it come off as a bootlicking checklist that seems very out of touch with the realities of working a shit job. The bit about how wealthy people are where they are because they are the hardest workers kills me.

Considering Mike Rowe is a boomer fuck who's held a cushy TV show presenter job for like 30 years, this is just rich.

I love those things

Your entire belief system was dictated to you by propaganda, shut the fuck up.

Unions happened at the same time that post-industrial buisinesses were so desperate for labor that they began competing to hire workers. Places like endicott johnson had better benefits than your union ever will, including such things as giving you a fucking house if you work for them, purely because they were competing for immigrant hires, without ever having a true workers union of their own.

>Right-wing media actually knows how to separate editorial and news

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If the raise in taxes would be less than what I pay for my insurance through my company I'd be down. But unfortunately best case scenario I get my taxes raised by 10% and get worse service

Where do you work?

Fuck off jew

>No U!
So tiring...

With most blue collar work dying off unions are too.

Most millennials and zoomers are wagecucks at retail jobs owned by mega corporations or work in some pozzed tech industry. Neither of which have unions. They’re all gonna be anti union because their dad was in one and they have daddy issues

I'm a brazilian higher education teacher and our local union is run by a close friend of the dean of our biggest private university

Pelego unions are suffering

What a low-effort and unintelligent retort you have offered. Keep it, and don't respond to me again.

My union takes 1% of my pay. The yearly guaranteed pay rise is much larger than 1%. The unionized companies have much better pay than non unionized ones. But thats Germany. Dont know why unions suck so much in USA.

Shit with the raise you got you can have both. I'll never understand the people who actively go against something that can benefit them. Sure some unions can be corrupt but the ones that aren't are great.

Wal Mart’s union policy is to just shut down the store permanently if the employees vote to unionize

>He can't refute the facts
As expected

I'm sorry you're too dumb to read if something is an opinion piece or objective news reporting on Bloomberg

>there is no bad job
>I believe my safety is my responsibility
>I believe all people are created equal

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Keep in mind this was after almost 30 straight years of a hard war on labor.

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New Yorker here. I'm trying to flee because my town gets browner and browner (and as a result dirtier and dirtier than what I remembered as a youth) and traveling to the south for leisure made me really realize how nasty and rude all the people here are. Has nothing to do with wealth inequality. People here are fairly miserable compared to other states.

Of unions never existed you’d be working twelve hour days 7 days a week with zero regard for safety in a mine or factory making $3/hr

>There is no bad job
Ah yes, I love eating literal shit for 5 dollars an hour

If the second one makes you mad you are a coddled child

They label their opinion shit as objective news too. You're just too dumb to realize it.

Yeah but the minute they could find someone cheaper guess who gets booted from that company funded housing?

Shit how do we get them all to unionize then?

It's pretty easy to tell when they're injecting bias into their articles. Not everyone eats shit

Well. Lets look at the historical record. Turns out they were hiring immigrants off the boat in the first place, and there was no one chaper. And they were offering them fucking houses.

>People actually don't believe oligarchies are end game of capitalism.
Why do you think conservatives support capitalism? It's because they're inherently authoritarian and the modern conservative was created in reaction of the French Revolution and the fall of the European Monarchies.
They couldn't go back to those systems so they co-opted capitalism to create a new class of royalty and authoritarianism.
In the case of capitalism, money and power will always come to rest in the hands of few in the form of monopolies or near monopolies which creates oligarchs who then use their influence to accumulate more money and power.
The free market meme is exactly that, a meme no better than communism where when the fatal flaws are exposed, the reply is 'true free market/communism' hasn't been tried.

If you are talking about economic safety, sure, but I'm talking about personal safety, it's not my responsibility to purchase protective gear for the job, and it's not my responsibility to hire a security team to escort me to my job.

You eat right wing shit and actually believe their lies.

Some companies say that it creates a fuckton of red tape to even address complaints over an employee's performance.
I have a friend who works as a grocery store manager. If she wanted to talk to an employee for being on their phone too much at work, for example, she has to go through a union rep to schedule a conference for the three of them. In this particular instance, it's excessive red tape, I will agree. Not that it completely counters the benefits and good a union will do, I will say the vidya industry frankly should have unions
Photo is taken from Alex St. John's (Microsoft DirectX co-creator) powerpoint presentation Recruiting, Training, and Retaining Giants, the one where he famously openly recommends hiring autistic people and weaponizing their passion.

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Nigger, the golden era of unions is already long past
Nowadays people are skeptical towards them, everyone but non-unionized americans It seems

>it's not my responsibility to purchase protective gear for the job, and it's not my responsibility to hire a security team to escort me to my job
Yes it is. You should also tell the employer to pay you extra for your need of those things. If you trust company security for your personal safety, then do I have news for you.

Go ahead and keep believing jew jorno #9732 citing "anonymous inside sources" as gospel and objectivity

>Socialists
>Game developers
Pick one

work for ms is probably easy unless you are one of the third party companies they hired for exclusives. then they will push impossible deadlines on you and threaten your team with a game cancellation and at your weakest moment they will try to buy you out.

And if you were to apply that to 2019 America? If Walmart offered housing for workers they would boot people the minute their pay got to the point that it would be cheaper to fire them and hire someone else. It's not 1934.

I like royalty and aristocracy, though. Much better fashion sense than the revolutionaries.

Most devs I worked with in tech companies feel like they were borderline Asperger's, but maybe it was just me.

The WORST fucking part of right to work is that it was designed so that employees can come and go as THEY want. That if someone needed more money they can easily get more hours or another job and then be able to leave when they no longer need that extra income with no penalty. It was even designed so that if someone only needs say 15 hours of income that's all they are going to work but it was twisted into a monster that stripped basically all power from employees since employers can now get rid of anyone for anything.

Why do our leftists argue politics on Yea Forums, and not /pol/? I miss having lefties on /pol/. Please come back.

I'll support objective journalism, you support your state run propaganda.

>umm just like, transform the whole factory into something entirely else with no budget ok?

>The free market meme is exactly that, a meme no better than communism where when the fatal flaws are exposed, the reply is 'true free market/communism' hasn't been tried.
But "Real Capitalism" has been tried and has worked. Look at Chile, which was run under an authoritarian government which issued tons of free market reforms. Even without Pinochet Chile is doing far better than any other South American nation.

ironically /pol/ became a rightwing hugbox, and they probably deemed it futile to be there any longer.

You must go back /pol/ppet

>tfw Canadian
>tfw everyone says we’re the nicest people ever
>tfw most Canadians are kinda rude but not nearly as bad as Americans in northern states
>go to Louisiana
>tfw everyone was unbelievably nice, whites, blacks, Mexicans, asians, everyone

Damn if it wasn’t so humid and crime filled it would be paradise

>The age of anti-union sentiment is coming to an end

Hardly. So long as the average American can't differentiate between multi-billion dollar corps that take million dollar fines as a slap on the wrist and mom n pop businesses that have 100 employees or less. Than corps shall continue to rule us all.

Aerospace machining firm. We make plane engine parts.

>ITT: nerds defending jewish practices and anti worker schemes

Getting really tired of living with jew brainwashed americans who want to be slaves.

>liberals control massive swaths of un-elected government positions
>their opposition is state-run media
really makes you think. Why do you guys feel like you're punk or some shit? You have the safest opinions possible, and total cultural control over universities in this time and age, but you still think you're ebin counter culture

>It's not 1934
Exactly. We labor rights in 1934 not because union strong, but because labor was so in demand that companies were in an arms race of providing more and more benefits. The tables have since turned, and labor is weak in the market.

But unions have always been worse than not unions, they just peaked as a small boat on a high tide.

And it's only a matter of time because it reaches late stage capitalism and oligarchs and corruption form.
It's like a child maturing into an adult and then claiming that's the end, ignoring the fact that the body will becoming decrepit.

Its not any kind of hugbox, you can speak freely there, in an open marketplace of ideas.

>Being this mad that your corrupt leader is being held accountable.
Remember when your president called the latest whistleblower scandal 'fake news' only to immediately walk it back?
What's funny is he knew all about it and is still covering up the complaint.

I'm waiting for Venezuela to blossom into a socialist utopia, but it's been a while.

I'd rather put my faith in a union than the good Graces of a mega Corp like walmart. You do you user I wish you the best.

That sounds cool unless you're an assembly drone.

God forbid workers can make choices when to leave and make more money. Can't have that shit.

>only a matter of time because it reaches late stage capitalism
"Any day now"
-Karl Marx, circa 1850s

Don't worry, the more that you cut your necessity for money, the more free you become.
I'm saving to buy myself a piece of land and become auto-sufficient. I already have people willing to help me with farming and setting up solar power.

Walmart will drop a couple of million in a heartbeat on an anti union team if someone calls in an anonymous hint that a union is forming at a specific store.

That is bad for business, the company must give the standard tools for you to work, as well a safe and efficient working environment.

>Unions were in demand
LOLOLOL
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_sit-down_strike

Lol have you been to /pol/ since 2016.

theoretically yes, there are no rules or enforced regulations that punish you for speaking any particular way. That unfortunately means nothing when everyone there who are conversing is either a heavy conservative or a filthy meme spouting child imitating one. It's like the Steven Colbrert show gone wrong.

right to work is proof that republicans and conservatives are traitors aligned with jewish interests. I was laughing my ass off when kiddies and boomers claimed trump was going to be good

>Implying we aren't already in it with income inequality and how the rich want to take away what little few benefits the poor have left in America.
The guillotine will be ready for your lot when the next depression hits.

My 2 bedroom 2 bath townhome is only 1238 with all utilities included. People need to learn to move.

You have more niggers than any European country.

You are inherently better at caring for your tools than your resource department is. Its not their job to use the tool.

Are we seriously going to pretend that you can't up and quit a union job on the spot and look for new work? Kek.

Can we kill poor conservatives that support jewish interests by continuously keeping them in power?

How many times has some dumb fuck journo done this only to have it go nowhere? Don't you guys get tired of this shit? What happened to muller time? Oh right, nothing fucking happened because it was all a load of bullshit. This happens every week or so. We're all laughing at you. You'll forget about this in a couple weeks and move on to the next manufactured bullshit the journos pull out of their gaping asses

>Stephen Colbert
If you need proof that /pol/ is just spoonfed what to think, Colbert is the perfect example of how it's been 2 years since they failed to get him fired and they still can't think of any new OC regarding him.

The workers were so in national drmand that the US national guard was deployed to protect them from city police.
Consider that for a moment.

Not when you probably don't support gun rights and have no idea how to operate a firearm

/pol/ is controlled opposition

>What about
So tiring...
How about Trump releases the unredacted transcripts of all his conversations with the Ukrainians and the complaint to prove it's nothing?
Oh wait, he won't.

Because its dominated by Japs and young Americans.

Japs are work alcoholics to the bone.

y, Americans never grew up in the years where unions were good. As a result they just jump from studio to studio, accept the conditions, work someplace awesome, or have enough skill to work elsewhere.

Vermont is left wing and is very supportive on gun rights, nice try.

>it's been 2 years since they failed to get him fired
?
I dont think they tried to get him fired. It was mostly a perception campaign, if I recall.

More like it would look really bad for the country if the police force started to murder peaceful protestors on behalf of corporations in the middle of the Great Depression.

The right to actually defend yourself and your property would greatly benefit poor people as they live the areas most likely to be robbed. I wish we had such rights here but we instead chose to emulate the retarded bongs

>he defends jewish interests
you'll be the first to hang cletus

>I don't think
There's your problem, /pol/ and the rest of the conservative media tried to get him fired, and it failed.

>controlled
>is the most leaked "containment" board on the site
even horsefuckers were more well behaved back in their peak.

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That creates too many variables, he might forget in the next day, his tools might get stolen, etc, storing then in work place is far safer and efficient than let workers bring home, they also don't have to carry extra weight, and you need them rested for the next day.

unless you sleep with a gun on your desk, they've probably already got you, criminals are more well trained than 99% of people, the whole home defense meme is a lie.

The french revolution was primarily backed by major french lords to undermine the power of the royal line. To this day, those same french lords control the upper echelon of French government and money. It was never a common revolution.

Good for them, too bad everyone else on the left wants to change that.
You'll need armed men to do that. Hard to make that happen when All Cops Are Bastards and the government is "fascist."

What sort of shitty retcon is this?

So, like tucker then? Or were people not trying to get him fired?

Controlled as in the wealthy and jews tell them what to do

When did /pol/ try to get Tucker fired?

>in the middle of the Great Depression.
Why is this important?
Is it perhaps because this is an era with a high demand for labor and low comparative demand for companies?

so you actually support jewish interests? Also actual left wingers and not sjw cucks are well trained in the use of firearms, just not soiboy losers

/pol/ is just a place for conservatives to shill.
I wouldn't be shocked if the Trump general is actually run by him.

If any of these are true than our strawman is a shit worker anyway, desu, and any man off the street could do his job better

>actual left wingers
AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHA

To stop people from trying to cheat their employees.

And then he's liable for any damages caused by using those tools when they fuck up and has to replace them.

The whole "hes a secret nazi, look, hes wolf whistling the real nazis, /pol/" thing.

>Why is this important?
Oh, you're just retarded.
Did you forget the Bonus Army fiasco?
Of course you did.

Why would /pol/ not see that as a good thing?
You aren't making any sense.

Maoists didn't take over by telling people to check their privilege, they took over by killing conservatives. Just one example. We're winning the culture war Jedediah, and all you can do is watch cuck.

Shut up, faggot. This is more important than your little toys. Run away, zoom zoom, the men are talking.

Nobody fucking likes /pol/ anymore. It went from saying nigger and supporting Trump because it was funny and then it attracted a mass amount of retards during the election like this site has never seen. Nowadays it's a bizarre mix of Stormfront, r/thedonald, and Return of Kings.

The thing that sucks is its easier to raise taxes than cut spending. I don't see why anyone would want Lockheed's latest over-budgeted project instead of something that can benefit the average joe but there are politicians who believe this.

Can you read?

>they took over by killing conservatives
I think you mean the progressives. Maoists were conservative radicals fighting other conservative radicals.

Maoism wasn't conservative, they wanted change from the ridiculous warlordism and lack of national unity from the warlords era. I commend Kai shek for turning Taiwan into a stable country but he was a lousy leader in the mainland.