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The more I play smash the more I’m disgusted with most competitive smash matches. Where’s Brawl?

>west coast going to bed
>east coast went to bed four hours ago
>europe has to go to work because it's 8AM on fucking monday
Why are Californians so bad at organizing tournaments?

>Where’s Brawl?
in the trash can

you kinda just did ;)

Look at the time? Kids that play party games go to bed this late on a school night.

>>EVO 2020 GFs
>>Samsora vs Leo WFs
>>Peach vs Joker, close set where they are adapting after every game, Samsora wins
>>Samsora vs Leo GFs
>>everyone is getting ready to see a rematch of high level Peach vs. Joker
>>Samsora pulls out Le Pocket Bowser xD
>>Leo loses the first game because he doesn't know the matchup
>>Leo pulls out Le Pocket Chrom xD
>Samsora loses because he doesn't know the matchup
>>Samsora pulls out Le Pocket Duck Hunt Dog xD
>>Leo pulls out Le Pocket Robin xDD
>>Ultibabbies simultaneously coom

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It is now 2 am and I am going to bed. Fuck melee and fuck Bobby scar for making this run so late.

Sup Sakurai, hows it going?

Blame Melee for being so slow

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Please Fox, win this for your two boyfriends.

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I hope that this hot goddess wins the tournament

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oh god it fucking stinks in here, is there meleefags in this thread? gross.

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Jesus the commentary is just so fucking dead right now.
Everyone is tired as shit.

Post rare Palu pics and her ass.

Palutena.

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I believe it

>mfw he whines on Twitter cuz a nice guy had to pull out the pocket Palu

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Melee and Brawl 2007-2014 was the era of soul

Now Smash is soulless

This is a retarded headline I would expect in a post in these threads what the hell is Justin "AdaptiveNigger" Gordon's problem

>>europe has to go to work because it's 8AM on fucking monday
Not even fishermen work so early.

u can see panty

was already gonna do that my man

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no Samsora, no watch

>ZSS is one of my mains and I love Metroid as a series but I don't like Marss
>Can't stand Palutena in Smash but I love Nairo

Who do I root for?

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I'm tired too, will go back at the hour, wanted to see if Leo and Marss fought again for the epik counterpiks but I don't think I'll be around

Yea Forums don't let the meleefags shit up the thread

nair nair nair nair nair nair

>nobody quoting the wojackfag
dang good job

Well now that Tea’s out none of the fun to watch players are in

>Hops around until they get a confirm into up-b
>Nair nair nair nair nair nair fair nair nair nair EXPLOSIVE FLAME
>Forma de LEOOOOOO
>Nair up tilt up tilt up tilt UPSMASH UPSMASH UPSMASH UPSMASH UPSMASH

#
That reminds me
>Playing Ridley against a Joker
>On my last stock, take his second stock
>Retreat to ledge for his respawn, and hit him with a Skewer right as his invincibility wears off
>Instant ARSENE
>Spot dodge his get up attack from the crumple
>He uses his stupid fast f-smashes me to punish my spot dodging and kills me at 35%
Getting Arsene from damage that early is so fucking dumb.

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Man, Void should've just stayed Pichu, he was doing actually ok against Lucina.

Sadly I have more ZSS pics than Palutena pics. I'll be more equipped next time.

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>Melee running late for a smash ultimate focused event
Can't we just let it die?

What are some images that aged perfectly?

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>Most characters have a super safe backair and most of the top tiers have a super safe nair or fair so that's not it.
Most characters can't throw out aerials so close to the ground that they're basically rising and falling aerials at the same time.

Maybe it's just me but I have the hardest time whiff punishing a high-level Peach.

Redpill me on the japs, bros. I keep hearing they're awesome but every time I come in they're getting trashed. Seem super overrated to me.

>guy makes based opinion
>retard smelee spergs out
>people rightfully belittle his sperging
>retard smelee gets his discord buddies to wojak spam because he's seething and losing the argument
tonight is an interesting night

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>mfw it's 2-2 and I hit buddy with the pocket Ryu

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That and wasting our time with that shit roast of that worthless faggot scar.

nair nair nair nair nair
Me skilled! Me skilled!
3 stocks worth of skill

If you wanna watch niggers, apehoop is for you.

god palutena is so fucking boring to watch

I got one for you meleefag

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lmao I said images that aged well, better luck next time sweetie

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Everyone was doing a good job not replying. Stop.

Holy shit Marss is just fishing for z-air this is so goddamn boring

>getting punished for landing an impossible to hit move
this stupid fucking game lmao

Why the fuck is this shit going beyond fucking overtime?
What the fuck happened during Melee?

OHNONONONONONO

They did some shitty roast that pushed everything back an hour

It went 90 minutes past schedule.

>What the fuck happened during Melee?
Hungrybox

Found the homosexual.

nice

Melee being worthless

So who's the most fun character to watch in Ultimate? I don't keep up with this shit. How do you feel about the two characters right now? ZSS looks a lot more lame than Palutena.

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>Most characters have a super safe backair and most of the top tiers have a super safe nair or fair so that's not it.
Yes, But she can access to it instantly from the ground. She doesn't have to short hop and fast fall it, she can literally just run up your face, Bair your ass, and run for a grab.

>She most definitely can not do all that stuff within a few frames either don't know what gave you that idea
I mean she can TRANSITION in a few frames between an grounded-aerial stance that gives her access to her best moves, her aerials, and a fully grounded stance where she can grab, use her down tilt to extend combos, or simply reset herself to neutral. Not to mention the fact that she can completely fake out a jump and fast fall much earlier than she should, or that she can cheat the system by being able to use her aerials while holding her turnip and still have access to it later.

> Like I like paisy as a concept character and she's definitely top 10, but it seems.more like samsora is just getting amazing reads and is a great player.
I believe it's also a testament to his execution skills that he's able to play Peach the way she does. I encourage you to attempt to play peach against a few computers or in training mode, just to get yourself an idea of what she can theoretically do. Peach is probably the character who's a victim of "everything is done with the A button" the most. An easy way to float cancel is to assing the jump button to either the L or R you don't use.

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HE'S ACTUALLY DOING IT

They have a lot better character diversity and they tend to play very conservative and oppurtunisticly. They're cool but most of them don't travel enough besides the big tournaments so they often get fucked up by unfamiliarity with American playstyles

None. Watching ultimate is like watching constant melee jigglypuff

I fucking love watching Snake's shenanigans, most people will disagree but man is he fun to watch his set ups.

lets go nairo

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So it was 60 minutes of feeding scar's shitty ego and 30 minutes of hbox games taking forever?

Thanks for all the (You)s, losers. All the seethe ITT counts btw, thought I should tell you that.

pic related,
>mfw the pocket Rosa hits just right

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/thread

not rare but here

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Nairo beat Leo? I fell asleep

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NAIRO IN GRAND FINALS
NAIRO IN GRAND FINALS
NAIRO IN GRAND FINALS
NAIRO IN GRAND FINALS
NAIRO IN GRAND FINALS

LET'S GO, NAIRO!

Marss should have went Megaman.

nairo doesn't even look happy about it

>2 reverse 3-0s in a row
Wow Nairo's actually based

>Nairo in grand finals
Fucking finally, how long has it been?

PALUTENA IN GRAND FINALS

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everyone except Joker

Too bad he doesn't stand a chance against MKLeo but Marss might just give him the tournament if he beats him in Loser's finals

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Its safe on shield too unless you got some crazy fast attack
I hate it

In Melee's defense, it also started late.

Nothing beats some good Robin play.

Like one week?

Shit, now I have to root for Leo, huh.

Fuck Palutena (both ways)

everytime I saw nairo's palu you could feel he hesitated, now he definitely looks like he has a gameplan

That's my boy
That's my goddess

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Don't fucking choke now, Light.

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a victory fit for a goddess

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>pop up commentary
that looks mad annoying.

megaman did

The only hope Nairo has to win this all the way is if Marss takes out Leo

But that image aged so badly the original kermit guy had to try to update it

Palutena is the best!

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Wait, what? What tournament did I miss last week?

ZSS is pretty entertaining to watch when she's allowed to go balls to the wall. Palutena is a wall of huge lingering hitboxes that kill you easily so you have to play pretty conservative vs her on light characters like ZSS

>an actual funny skit
Oh shit...

Nairo in grands for the first time post-joker

If only because its an uphill battle for Robin to set anything up or win neutral. He's so gimped in this game its laughable. Meanwhile, Snake is allowed to exist.

one week

Glitch minus world, ESAM won... i think

>tits coming out out the side

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I actually see more chances of nairo taking leo than marss again

Wasn't that ESAM v Light in grand finals?

YO DID EE LOSE WEIGHT? He's not going to tranny himself like 16 Bit did is he?

Glitch 6, so about 8 months

*adjusts tie, visibly sweating*
Haha...uh..Palutena I'm f-facing this wa-way...

My b. It was two weeks then.

lmao samsora wht a loser

>samsora

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i didn't watch, did void lose?

No, Glitch was ESAM and Light in grands. Nairo got 4th.

Marss did

I can't believe Samsora fucking died live on stream

She's gonna win an S tier!

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He just doesn't want to die an early death from diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.

Does EE really come off as the mentally ill tranny type to you?

Nairo won a tournament like two weeks ago, maybe three. My memory is shitty, but he did win something recently

>EE
>going carpe diem
Yeah I don't think so.

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As he always does, yes.

void and mkleo went back and forth counterpicking and it went 3-2, void lost

That skit took 5% of the time the roast did and it was 500% funnier.

Wanting to not be overweight doesn't mean a person is going to become a tranny user

we definitely need samsora in summit

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This artist is really hit and miss sometimes, usually when the tits or ass is unrealistically big to the point where it’s not hot or it’s one of those imp things they keep drawing.

Luckily their Palutena stuff is always really good

Personally I like watching basically any mid/low tier who we rarely see. Also like shulk, bayo, zss, hero, richter, pichu, falco... a lot of characters I guess.

Ultimate fucking sucks.

Shit, you're right

>No Plants in top 64
Brood and Rai can’t be outliers, right??? Does America just suck if they don’t use top tiers?

Why

Yeah i play paisy, pt, joker, samus and lucina. I can float cancel and hit her good shit pretty consistently, obviously I'm no samsora, but good players know how to punish my float cancel shit if i fuck it up. I have a friend who also plays peach and is way more into her than i am and i legit feel bad watching him.doing all those inputs and then fish for fairs so he can actually kill just for a palutena to nair him 4x times and kill him at 90. I like the character, but she feels no more op than lucina, pt or joker which i play and she's twice the work. I also think that she struggles against most of the top tiers kits.

He won a doubles tournament with Tweek at Glitch but no one gives a shit about doubles. Nairo hasn't won or gotten second at an Ultimate tournament in months.

2 plants got top 64 last week at glitch

Side boob from behind is the ultimate.

>when the tits or ass is unrealistically big to the point where it’s not hot
provide picture evidence

MKleo's joker is a joy to watch, it's a work of beauty

What happened to Wolf? Not seeing him in tournaments anymore and he's relatively uncommon in Quickplay as well. Was he just a fad character?

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Its what makes watching people like Jul all the more fun. He can work magic with Robin and make everything look so easy.

Hot damn, Light is going off

Alright cool.

is he out?

Is this considered a Major?

yeah 33rd beating nobodies

Yes, and so was PT. The only people still using them are loyalists, or Tweek’s flavor of the month

yeah MKLeo and Void fought in losers

he's still really good, but in pro play he's too simple and the pro players have already dissected him

This is the first major by BeyondTheSummit

yeah off the stage and into the blast zone

>Smirk to get punished
First Void now Light. When will they learn.

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OH SHIT

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Why do you guys keep letting the idiotic Pokecuck make the OPs?

Cleavage is so cool, man. Like goddamn, it gets my semen a steamin'.

He was a good and easy to play character so he stood out a lot in the early meta but now he's falling off.

his easy to use and figure out moveset benefited him but everyone knew it would hinder him later on for that same reason. and it's true.

They don't realize that the smirk means a guaranteed critical hit and keep blowing it.

>but good players know how to punish my float cancel shit if i fuck it up.
Here's the thing. What are you doing and how? Because off a nair you can actually frame trap with another nair or jump out of it and off a bair you can actually run up and try to grab during shield stun or you can run away if you space it well. Bair's hit box is actually very big and has a lot of disjoint, toy around with the spacing. It's very safe if you're thinking ahead with a follow up or unga it out. If you try to react whether you actually landed to hit or it got shielded you're going to it punishes.

It's not only execution, but rather what you're using it for. It's not a straight up deadly combo tech, but rather an insane mixup tech. Racking damage with peach or daisy is extremely easy. All her aerials do 10-14 damage and her fucking turnip does 13 damage a pop. You don't need to float cancel to shit out damage with Peach. You need Float Cancel to make sure your opponent doesn't even know if shielding is a viable idea. Your friend has the form, not the essence.

She struggles against fast enemies, yes. In my personal experience Sonic and Inkling are her worst matchups.

Lmao, Light is fucking trash. So predictable that Leo just reads his mind completely.

He's still good, the problem is no one wants to fucking stick with him. Maybe Lurr will.

light took over ally's role as the c-stick warrior

How's he too simple compared to characters like Lucina and Palutena? I feel like his simple and well rounded kit gives him a lot of room for creativity and expressing unique playstyles. He doesn't have to be restricted to the passive, reactionary laser and fair playstyle.

How many time is Light going to be hit by Egaon when he's spamming lasers when Leo is off the stage? I swear it happens at least once every match.

>Egaon

Fox is also a really predictable, flowchart character in this game.

>Duuuuuude nair conversions
>Upair strings lmaooo

GOD JOKER IS FUCKING STUPID FUCK

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>Joker grabs you at 60
>Die

What did you think of Armada's run?

Place your bets

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He isn't falling off necessarily because he's too simple. He just stood out a lot more in the beginning of the game because he was easy. Easier characters will be more prevalent at the beginning of the game but then get worse as people understand how to fight him more and harder characters get developed. Never forget that Ness was considered like top 6 in Smash 4 at the beginning and then dropped to like mid tier without ever getting nerfed.

It's probably just Lucina

Only against fox

>Joker cannot kill
How far is Leo's head up his own ass? He just killed Light off of a grab at 60.

lucina has her range and palutena has slightly better aerials and she has her teleport canceling tech. But in general it's the recovery that really makes him a worse "well rounded" character

Predict what they are saying to each other:
>Yah, well Joker is OP
>okay shitter, lol
>GO back to Mexico anytime

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Megaman beats all swordies
All of them

Leo won by three stocks in the third game.
Stop making excuses.

te amo leo dale con google chrom

It's happening. What will Leo's answer to Marss be?

Make the thread faster if you want it to be something different, chump.

Except Wolf

That was the worst DI from anyone Ive ever seen

Maybe cuckboi Light shouldn't have played so predictably, maybe he should've respected Arsene more.

Suck shit, cuck.

chrom

Palutena has more tools. Two position-based Projectiles, a Counter/Reflector/, really fast aerials, armor in a few of her moves, and of course that retarded Up Smash. There's quite a ceiling Palutena has for her neutral beyond just Unga.
Lucina has her massive disjoints in everything she does, an absolute control of the entire immediate space in her every direction, and she's essentially playing Marth with the tipper on at all times.
Both the above are extremely hard to gimp and have amazing recoveries

Wolf has a few moves with good frames and a lot of raw power, but his recovery leaves him very vulnerable and he doesn't quite have many tools beyond his projectile.

>Make the thread faster
You're just a worthless idiotic waifucuck. Know your place moron.

wolf maybe? I'd love to see chrom but edgeguarding would be insanely easy

BANJOOOOOOOOO

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He was talking about his set against Marss's Megaman, in which case he's kinda right but only b/c Marss was playing really patiently with Arsene.

He's right, joker's combos are very precise and work on characters differently. He has a very hard time killing small characters like mega man and pichu. As much as people want the narrative to be "joker is broken" he really isn't.

Having a couple of disjoints doesn't make you a "swordie". If that were the case, the majority of the cast would be swordies

Sick of that term being thrown around all the time, it should be reserved for the FE cast (sans Robin) Cloud and Shulk.

Isabelle. He's been training for this.

dont listen to that asshurt faggot, lewdposters are always appreciated

Hero.

Moment of truth, boys.

I didn't make the thread, chump.

MK Leo (formo finale de la perra)

the blaster nerf while seeming small was actually huge for neutral, hes just good now and not insane.

>White Joker
BRILLIANT.

I mean you're right about the frame trapping with nair, but like i said good players expect that shit and no how to get around it. The hardest matchups are great zoners like snake who fuck.up.my damage conversion with grenades, shulk and pt are also extremely hard matchups since pt is so volatile. Still i feel like when people say peach is the best character in the game they only look at the postives and ignore the weaknesses. I get absolutely destroyed by players who know paisies game and wall me out with better frame data and disjoint like swordiew or joker, and can kill way easier than i can kill them. Do people really think the float cancel mix ups are enough to make her better than any ot the other crazy damage top.tiers?

>Its akechi not Joker

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>Akechi

Brilliant counter

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Not broken, still needs a nerf. Either make his grappling hook recovery shorter so he can't just recover for free at all times, or make it so meter only builds off rebel guard, no more beating joker to 50% and giving him free x-factor.

can nairo beat leo if he makes it?

>pancake boy
what did he mean by this

>joker can't kill!!!
>kills at 85%
Okay retard.

Maybe, Leo looks like he's tired so that could help nairo

HOLY SHIT HE'S TRYING NOW
>mkleo (forma de bola)

Nairo's 50/50 against basically anybody.

I'm at 5.5mil with Wolf and I haven't really noticed it, though I was never overly reliant on blaster in the first place. I only really use it to continue pressure in disadvantage if the opponent is too far away for a followup or if they're camping like a bitch in severe wifi lag.

LEO JUST FUCKING DOWNLOADED MARSS LMAO

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Who is your main? Are you planning to drop them, or are you enjoying them?

Who is the most annoying opponent for you to face online?
I'm a ZSS player but I'm kind of getting bored of her. Not sure who to replace her with though, I don't wanna lose the speed. Maybe Sheik or Fox.
I hate fighting Inkling.

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Not this version.
I swear, Loser's Leo is just a different person sometimes.

FUN STATUS: SAPPED

gawdam you motherfuckers have good taste

Jeez he really figured out the match up now

Used to main Yoshi but now I want to pick a new main, open to suggestions

ok time to congratulate leo on his GF victory

This, he'll either win or lose.

I main both ZSS and Lucina, but lately im improving alot better with ZSS and have much more fun with her.

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thats the case for everyone

Robin main for life.

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have you tried falcon? he's pretty fun
I'm manly inkling and bowser, I like dumb simple characters

For most it's just lose

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Still don't have one...no big deal, it's only been out for almost a year, right?

....help

Damn
Samsora looks lie this?

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Your best bet at beating MK Leo is to hit him with a gimmick choice while in losers and then 3-0. It's the only way to stop him.

Try Wolf. He's got surprisingly good mobility with his initial dash and air speed and a surprisingly deep combo game if you want to bother to learn it. Don't let the QP Wolves fool you, he can be played pretty nutty

what happened to leo's secret counterpick?

Based fellow Robinchad

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Really makes you think

>knew a girl who's face looked just like Samus in this image
>didn't ask her out
Why did you have to remind me user

Is she good yet?

>the answer was moar joker

Yep, you and Leo are squarely at "I know everything!"

still reeling from his previous injury

Not even sure who my main is, though I feel like wario and pichu are my two best characters. I'm also learning pokemon trainer since he's really fun, I think I might just end up maining him if I get good enough.

A reminder to not be a pussy next time.

>ass sweat so intense it shows through in jeans

Link main. I love the bastard and his bomb tech, the only complaint I have is his recovery being hard to work with. But that can be dealt with easily enough, so I don't have any plans on dropping.
Annoying apponents, so far I hate playing against Ness and Joker. Joker, just because I've had a lot of trouble finding options. He seems like he can avoid all of my OoS options faster than they can actually come out. I've been looking into B reversing up tilts, but practice takes time. Ness, on the other hand, fuck Ness and his fucking yoyo on ledge. I've never felt as cucked as seeing that and realizing that I'm just not allowed to recover low.

In your defense there are over 70 characters...
You should have at LEAST few you like rotating between at this point though.

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Ken
No interest in other characters, Ken is too satisfying stringing together improv combos
Most matchups feel pretty even, it's pretty hard to get in on zoners though

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I main Zelda with Kirby and Ridley as my side guys. I'm not amazing in any way, but I do alright with Zelda, phantom is a fun move in general.

...

Why do hate Peach mains again?

I swear to god this kid has no counterpicks at all if it isnt a rat

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My main issue was his lack of horizontal launchers and edgeguarding tools. He had ledgetraps for days but had little ways to contest offstage and didn't have a lot of horizontal high knockback moves to set up those ledge situations early. Most of his approaching kit launched very diagonally or strraight up, which isn't very useful late percents so he has to fish for somewhat predictable kill options most of the time.

>c-c-can't kill!
>kills at 60 on the ledge

WTF i love samsora now...

>i said good players expect that shit and no how to get around it.
Ehh, now we're talking about the skill of the players and not the character. One thing good players will all tell you is that dealing with a good peach is extremely difficult. If what you're arguing is "it's not worth learning so much tech when you get more or less the same results with easier characters" then, yes you're right. That doesn't take out the fact that what peach has exists and is very strong.

>he hardest matchups are great zoners like snake
I find Zoners easier myself, because once you actually get in they have no way out. Snake struggles a lot if you're grab happy because they tend to try and use grenade to get out of their shit. I've never seen or played a good Shulk so I can't comment on him.

>Still i feel like when people say peach is the best character in the game they only look at the postives and ignore the weaknesses.
Thing is that look at who you're talking about, and look at your own personal perspective. The people calling Peach the best character are not only top players who deal with Peach at top level gameplay, but also Top level Peach players who see the untapped potential and the skill cieling. Meanwhile here you and I can only consistently pull the surface level of her tech, so her weaknesses are all more notorious. Can you say you're playing Peach to her full potential? Consider that Peach is THE Frame Data character and yet you claim somehow other characters have better frame data.

>Do people really think the float cancel mix ups are enough to make her better than any of the other crazy damage top tiers?
Look at it this way: Top players deal against thas, and top players lab that and it's their opinion that she's the best coming from their personal experience.

Tl;dr: We're intermediate players. Don't expect the opinion or standards of top players to apply us. I don't know you but I have no plans of going to tourneys ever.

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marss is always behind in every game, how the fuck does he keep winning? hes pulling a leo on leo

My man. No other character can match the fun I have playing as Robin.
She can be if you put in the work. Look up some videos of Jul and to see some good Robin play at work.

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You think that's a thing for Leo?

Mario. Never gonna drop him. He's number 1.

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I fucking love falcon but I don't think this is gonna work out

>meme falcon

Really? You won 3 games on him before and you pull this shit Mars?

what a fucking pussy lmao, he just quit by going falcon

Ridley with a secondary Hero, still enjoying the hell out of Ridley and not planning to drop him any time soon, also helps that he's pretty decent too.

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It was hype the first time he did this but now it just seems a little pathetic

>CAPTAIN FUCKING FALCON
ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID

nevermind, hes fucked. what a dumbass

Why did he fall off so hard? Not only do I never hear people talk about him anymore, I barely run into him on QP now, he used to be every 3rd opponent. Did he get nerfed or something?

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This seems very poorly thought out.

Marth, though I'll change him for Palutena. I'd rather change mains than bite the bullet and switch to Leukemia.

Bowser Jr. online is total cancer

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what a dumbass, should've stuck megaman

Did fucking MKLEO downloaded this man into OBLIVION?

Go through the twitter and you can tell which ones I’m talking about

This is just him giving up. He's tired and knows he won't win so he goes with his crap Falcon to end it as soon as possible.

Oh, I also hate Sonics, win or lose it's just not fun trying to predict their homing attack, it's a dumb move in general. I'm also tired of fighting Samus, not because I struggle with them, but more like she's EVERYWHERE in Elite Smash, and it's just gotten tedious chasing them back and forth from one end of the stage to the other. And you KNOW they'll always choose Battlefield layout so they can hide under the platforms all day.

Warms my heart to see Marss get bodied

nice counter pick you fucking r*tard

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He may have still lost with megaman but at least he would have tired out Leo more to help Nairo

So wait, if first 6 placements go to Summit, who is going between MuteAce and Salem?

>went out not with a bang, but with a whimper.
At least put out Megaman.

most CSR pics I've seen have the optimal tit/ass size

aka really big

>Marss right now

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Nairo will win.

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pathetic mindset

Descarga completa

Salem gave up his spot so MuteAce

Why am I so bad against her? She destroys me online. I guess it's lack of matchup experience, since only you and 3 other people play her apparently.

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hes still the most successful character in tournaments overall. he only fell off at a super high level because hes so basic and formulaic that top players can figure him out each time. theres still some good wolfs though, larry jackal and charliedk

Yeah, JokerLeo taking another win sure is nice. Joker is balanced, btw, having no counterpicks and winning every matchup is normal.

The worst part about competitive Smash is that none of the legal stages have good music. Every single time I tune into this shit it's the Pokemon battle theme, yoshis singing THE ASSSHOOOLEEE, or some shitty ass Animal Crossing remix.

Game fucking sucks.

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What changed from the first set against MKleo? He beat Joker pretty soundly, but this time around MKleo seems to have figured out Megaman and was always ahead.

HOW TO HAND MKLEO A SUPERMAJOR 101

Fucking idiot Marss, HE HAD A CHANCE, this is what people talk about when they say players like Marss have absolutely no mental fortitude, fucking whimp can't win from behind

Forgot to say, fuck Jokers, Warios and Banjos online. Holy shit.

Leo forma del grupo derrotado

There was going to be a tiebreaker, but Salem conceded and let MuteAce have the spot.

>giant spider just crawled onto my desk and got away safely
oh shit how am I gonna finish watching this now

Any reason why?

Just get in, lad. She has nothing to shake you off.

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Online Nayru's Love is obnoxious so I don't blame you.

Once in a blue moon if FD is chosen sometime they'll do it on an omega stage

You sound upset

>people think joker needs to be nerfed
>people think anything in ultimate needs to be nerfed
Adapt shitters

He definitely did not beat Joker "soundly." In fact, two of his wins were extremely close comebacks.

Probably didn't want to be around all those melee players

It is. Frankly it would be best for everyone if he just walked off the stage and save some time as that last match was beyond pathetic to watch.

He was a bandwagon character thanks to a 15 year old Japanese kid getting 3rd at Genesis with him and Zero making a how to play video subsequently. Most of the wifi kids terrorizing QP with laser spam migrated over to Joker once MKLeo started dominating with him

Nah, I beat my friends' Jokers, but watching Leo shit on everyone with an obviously overtuned character is just boring.

Zelda is infamously way better online, every top player complains about her online.
Its way harder to react and dodge her specials online so she gets way better, but offline its easy.

Online Zelda is flowchart hell. Find a way for your character to hard punish her Nayru's Love, Phantom, and upb oos and you'll probably be ok.

>Literally lost to marss mega man
>Had swap to Lucina for voids Pichu
Shut up faggot

This might sould a bit absurd but i legit think Joker is fine, its just that him paired with MKLeo is just an ungodly combination. It's like the man was born to play as this character.

Please don't choke, Nairo.

Oh who am I kidding, this is going to be a chokefest.

What about the 6th slot? Since MKLeo autoqualifies.

My favourite was Yea Forums saying Hero needs to be nerfed/banned. Now no one talks about him.

Cloud. Not gonna drop him but damn he really toes the line between fun and being a terrible character.

>EE loses weight
>The fraud him with the chips
LIPOSUCTION HEAD ASS.

IT'S TIME

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All those matches were close but Marss has a shit mindset and when things go south, he starts to play sloppier and it eventually leads to his Crapton Falcon time wasting final.

>Literally lost to marss mega man
Lol, then just came back and shit on it so hard that Marss literally just went to a joke character for funsies.

>Had swap to Lucina for voids Pichu
Didn't have to, still won.

What melee players?

Is there anyone in this thread who believes in Nairo?

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desu it's not really any easier to deal with offline, it's not as if it has reactable startup.

WHO /NAIFU/ HERE?

How many seeds does Leo has to be torrenting Nairo that fast?

yeah sure, go nairo!

Is the asian chink girl pereden or whatever the fuck her name is ready to suck Nairo after this

Well that's the thing though. It's not the pros who consistently say she's the best. Their tier lists fluctuate all the time. It's other players in the intermediate level that watch and say she's broken. All the tier lists I've seen recently had her at 3rd or lower. I go to locals and have even won one, and it's at places like this where i consistently here the pech is broken talk. I wouldn't care if it wasn't talk like this that gets fair top tiers nerfed, I'll be legit mad if she gets hit with another hard nerf, because at that point ill have to debate whether she's worth continuing to commit to. Of all the characters i play, she's the only one i ever spend hours labbing, and she's still not as good and as consistent as my lucina. So whenever people act like she's some smash 4 bayo tier power character, i get really confused

I believe he might start to get weird with his picks when Leo resets the bracket.

Of course. Nairo doesn't choke as hard in these settings on winners side.

Sorry, man. Maybe if Leo played anyone else, but Joker beats the entire cast and Leo is a great player. There's 0 chance.

What will it take to get Nairo to give up the ZSS already

You are a salty idiotic scrub. Joker loses to Pikachu.

Those matches weren't "sound" at all. They were pretty close and usually came down to last stock at 100% plus.

Leo simply adapted.

I only want Joker's bullshit comeback mechanic gone, getting arsene for hitting joker twice after taking a stock is stupid.

Form your own opinion, then. Don't rely on vox populi to tell you the strengths and weaknesses of your character, and instead work with what you have. Ultimately tier lists are little more than biased opinions these days.

Joker loses to mega man, Pikachu, inkling, Pichu, and rob. Leo is just really good.

Fuck me, that down air was disgusting

>Lol, then just came back and shit on it so hard that Marss literally just went to a joke character for funsies.
That's on Marss, you can see he has the brilliance to do it, but his mindset crumbles, perfectly doable, no amount of "Leo wins" takes away from his stupid mindset and weak stamina, he has no right to win if he gets flustered so easily

>Didn't have to, still won
Again, Void should have gone Pichu first, he knew Sheik has an incredibly bad matchup, you can't just say it's boring when Leo literally has to work his ass for the wins

Joker without Arsen is still top tier. Just take that shit out

Place your bets lads, will Nairo take a game?

I'm also tired as fuck of animal crossing music, but there's some pretty fucking good pokemon music in this game.

how do we stop leo
who can stop leo
we have to stop leo

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lol, okay, that's why he's taken more tournaments than anyone else. All those big pikachu wins over Leo ;)

>spikes u at 10%

this isn't a GF this is a massacre. and Leo is in losers so Nairo's self esteem is going to be crushed for 6 whole games.

>Joker loses to R.O.B.
On what fucking planet?

Im just waiting for him to bust out the Ganon and Bowser memes.

Esam literally has a winning record over Leo, and both of them agree Pikachu wins, idiotic scrub.

Void's Pichu.
Marss Mega when he's not a bitch
Kameme
Tweek

He got "Ike'd"

Yeah, tell me who is winning tournaments with joker other than Leo. Fucking nobody. Leo is just an amazing player

>when Leo literally has to work his ass for the wins
He literally does not. It's the same exact shit every time, the man does it in his fucking sleep. Stop lying to yourself.

The only good Pikachu around is esam, Leo as a player is leagues ahead of esam.

Get someone on PST time who isn't falling asleep and screwing themselves over when Melee runs long.

Samsora or marss on a good day

Can you believe it? The best player in the world is Mexican, and he's getting a KoF character now.

Thank fucking GOD it's just terry and not Iori Pelos Locos.

It's a little fucked up that Palu can survive Shulks counter without getting hit if she dash attacks but not Jokers

Big Evo and Smash and Splash flashbacks with tonight's massacre.

Nobody is winning shit except Leo. That would change if Joker was nerfed. Leo is 100% carried.

okay, pick up joker and win something if it takes so little work

He got nerfed like 3 times.

Shulk has the worst counter in the game so it doesnt hit like half the attacks in the game.

You are a moron.

Rob can actually upb to the upper corners of the stage when Arsene is out and literally not get hit. The whole fight is Rob vs base Joker.

If his wins were truly on the character's merit and not on his own, it would stand to reason that others would be learning Joker. Why is this not the case then?

Nah, Joker's so easy it literally isn't fun. Leo only plays him because he knows Joker is free wins for him.

at this point youre either retarded or merely pretending to be

Yeah, Leo is not even trying anymore. He has pretty much every top player figured out to a T. His reads are more disheartening than hype at this point.

>ywn be even 10% as good as leo

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NAIRO YOU FUCK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>3-0

losing record vs esam and raito

How do you main Palu and choke this much?

Congratulations to Leo for winning this shit
I'm going to bed

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Even base Joker shits on R.O.B. Also, if you do that then you're putting yourself off-stage against one of the best edgeguarders in the game.

He's been sperging about Joker every thread so far. Just ignore him.

Do we even need to see this reset? Nario is done and isn't going to turn this around at all.

others did learn joker, its just that they arent as good and also some of them dropped him after a while

>Botches the Up B
Either he's mentally toast or half-asleep up on stage.

>Joker is broken because Arsene is busted!!!

I still laugh when I see this opinion. Leo is objectively better outside of Arsene and you can even see it during his game with Mars where Arsene often did less than 20% and just gets stalled out.

And it's not changing anytime soon because neither Esam nor Raito get to meet him in top 8

>make it to Grand Finals
>still fucking choke

He's never going to win anything, is he
Yes, I am exaggerating ,I know he's won tournies before

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Please 0-6 nairo I have to jerk off it's late out in the east coast.

>tfw will likely fall asleep mid jerk session and finish in the morning.

Others prefer playing characters they like AND that are good. Leo has no such devotion, he just plays to win exclusively. And I'm not knocking him for that, it's why he wins. But it IS a fact.

I'm not one to call Joker broken, but the one thing I think should be nerfed is his counter.

The guy you're replying to here. Get in there and get her but like at arm's length to punish Nayru's love, which she WILL use when she whiffs stuff, and it's got a pretty long endlag. Approach from the air when she's charging Phantom, and really rush her down, she's wide open. If she suddenly runs away from you, expect a Farore's Wind. On that note, a good bait when she's at ledge is to stand center stage, it's exactly wher Up-B ends up when you do it from the ledge so you can punish them if they go for it.

Who do you main, by the way?

Esam isn't in the tournament you stupid idiot. He also just won Glitch.

Robs recovery is so good he doesn't even need to worry about edgeguarding. Joker literally only has damage on rob. Arsene is almost useless against him. Rob can use his entire toolkit and camp him out.

He's tired as fucking hell. It's running into overtime over there. This was sort of expected.

>Joker is broken because Arsene is busted!!!
Said nobody. Base Joker is already top tier, he just becomes 4!Bayo tier with Arsene, and gets him as a reward for getting beat up a little bit.

I don't mind Joker's incredible offense but why is he so fucking hard to kill.

plz send help

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funny how you need to find images that aged perfectly to make up for the fact that your game hasn't

why is nairo so fucking aggro vs arsene.
Yes i know hes an aggressive player, but hes just asking to lose by doing it vs arsene.

>33k grand final
lol melee had almost 40k

Hey, at least it's his his first time in a while, Nairo always said he wanted to face off against Leo

I'm really tired of this argument, it's like people don't even watch Leo's matches, He plays incredibly well but you can't deny players like Marss, VoiD, Kameme, Zackray etc give him the hardest times, after tiring sets guess who wins?, the player with the most stamina and mental capacity to rebound from crushing losses, if that Faggot Marss didn't throw the towel so easily you could see him do a comeback like Samsora, but even then you can see these players hinge on muhmentum, controlling the pace, when they get overwhelmed they just roll over and die, while Leo has, in several occasions, rebounded from 2-0 games with a 2 stick disadvantage honestly Ultimate players need to take some cues and eliminate this problem
since all these tourneys go into late hours and start affecting your performance

>Esam isn't in the tournament you stupid idiot.
Indeed
>He also just won Glitch.
A tournament where MK Leo isn't. Start to see the pattern?

Do you now see what I mean? The win-ratio isn't going to change because ESAM and MK Leo rarely ever meet in tourneys.

He's a slippery cunt. I fight Joker all the time and shit just misses against him sometimes because he's a thin anime guy. Same with most anime people in the game, honestly, not a Joker exclusive thing.

Where does Nairo live compared to Leo? The latter might be more used to the time zone.

this is fucking retarded
nairo zipping back and forth just trying to dodge sheik with the power of ganon twice a stock
absolutely fucking retarded

it's 3am you fucking dipshit

It's not actually Rob going offstage. He can float from that corner all the way to the ledge on the other side, so he's more in disadvantage. It's one disadvantage state vs a full bar of Arsene, which is a better trade than every other character that can camp Joker.
Base Joker has some issues vs Rob. Projectiles will only build damage because downb is defunct due to the corner camp, Rob nair beats Joker nair and can't be contested on shield. I'm not good enough at the matchup to say for sure but it feels really difficult compared to Joker's usual.

Even without Arsene he's a fucking incredibly character. With Arsene, he turns into Ganondorf with Sheik framedata.

The point is he has a winning record vs Leo you fucking moron. He's also more than capable of reaching Leo at the end of a bracket.

Low key ESAM has been avoiding Leo for a while now to get better wins, this is a fact he has confirmed on stream

>Becomes Bayo tier with Arsene
>Just gets stalled out by Rob/Pika/Megaman and does no damage

??

Its 3 am

Sure, bro. Everyone is dumb but Leo and you. Okay. We believe you.

I miss leo's ike

Is it even possible to put Joker into disadvantage?

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>ended up getting the N word hitbox
what did he mean by this?

I feel bad...Nairos is clearly tilting. Second is still great, but I know how badly he wants to best Leo.

ult peaked at 43k earlier retard, lot of people aren't gonna stay up this late

>void vs leo easily topped it
lol

>Hero
>for the Megaman matchup
Hero gets fucking torn apart by any slightly competent Megaman, it's one of his worst matchups.

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Jersey I'm pretty sure.

Not sure where Leo lives.

i'm gonna imagine shooting my cum up palutena's ass and then sleep to satiate my depression, fuck this garbage

Yeah, how'd that work out for Marss, there? Oh, right, killed at 50%+ when Arsene is out. But, like, totally gets stalled out easy. ;)

>The point is he has a winning record
So what? Do you honestly think they're equals? Be honest here, do you think that if ESAM was in this tournament and they fought in Top 8, Leo would magically lose because the shine off ESAM's bald will blind Leo or somehting?

This entire set has just been Leo absolutely outplaying nairo and capitalizing on all of nairos dumb mistakes. None of it seems to be BECAUSE of joker it's Leo making the plays. Watch any smash 4 bayo set and you'll see how much bayo carried the people who played her.

I just want Nairo to win a major already

Nairo lives in East Coast USA, in New Jersey
Leo lives in......Florida? I'm not sure.

i hate that i cant be mad at Leo right now because he's really fucking good and deserves the wins he gets but godamnit i just want someone else to fucking win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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that'll do, pig

that'll do

SIGNS OF LIFE, BROS

Leo is from Mexico, dingus.

On top of that he's actually a nice person too.

Turtle dies in this scenario right?

>leo intentionally SDing at the end to make nairos victory feel fake
I see you you mexican fuck

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DO IT FOR HER NAIRO

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>Nairo winning one game
youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM

He's really good, but without Joker (or if the others would swallow their pride and just play Joker themselves), the fights would be more even.

One of Leo's earlier matches had 45k.

It's kinda sad when Melee GF doesn't even reach Ultimate Top 8.

>nairo almost missed that stock because he didn't pummel more
why does he always do this

Pretty much this. I'm glad it's paying off for him, but these finals are getting way too predictable.

>So what? Do you honestly think they're equals?
No, you braindead moron, just that Esam/Pika is more than capable of beating him, as hard as it is for a cocksucking moron like yourself to accept.

You are retarded.

why did they waste an hour of the schedule on some old fags cringy roast, making the players stay up stupidly late for a tournament

I'm almost inclined to believe Leo is doing something different to most players and Samsora caught on, don't know what happened to him, again, you can see all these players dominate, and even stall Leo, you tell me what happens to them

This is a very strange debate, if Leo was easy to hate, he would become a villain and seen as something to overcome for maximum catharsis, but he's just a nice autistic guy, if you threw a crab at him youn would get 100x than doing it to HBox

What race is nairo

As time goes on I start to wonder if Hero actually has any good match ups after all the fear everyone had of him.

BROS!!!!!!!!!!

Arsene is overpowered, and I'm very confused as to why it hasn't been nerfed (unless it has ans I missed it)
I'm not a hardcore player, but he just feels far to strong, for something that lasts that long. It changes the tide of a battle and the opponent has to completely change how he is playing to deal with it. It can't really be "stalled" out, besides literally running away (which no good player is going to let you fucking do).

I don't know. Am I overblowing it? I don't even won Joker, it just seems FAR too powerful. And I'm not downplaying Leos talents, I know he is good and I know he'd be good without Jokers Arsene, but still.

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dominican

I don't even know how anyone can find this enjoyable. It's like watching a tournament of a fighting game SonicFox is good at. Joker, in the right hands, seems to have so much priority over 99% of the roster. His power is insane for how fast he is and his Arsene mode is ridiculous.

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HE'S DOING IT
NAIROBY IS DOING IT

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Real talk, people don't want the game to turn into Smash4 2, with all matches being Joker on Joker.

>nigfu
based

If they play more aggressive with Arsene than I play even more aggressively.

>EE
holy fuck my sides

I'M GONNA SAY IT

Wtf i just realized u can totally look up palutenas skirt i thought they removed that

Crabbing Leo is grounds for burning at the stake.

Holy shit, the confidence boost is real.

>just that Esam/Pika is more than capable of beating him
If only ESAM himself believed that.

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oh shiiiiiiiit

ITS HAPPENING

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A comeback!?

Mulatto

>Having to completely change your playstyle into that of uninteractive degeneracy for up to 30 seconds.
>Arsene can countercamp with sideb and tetrakarn. You die to a conversion at 40%
The best part is when it's over, the best character in the game by a country mile gets downgraded into a simple top tier. Fuck Arsene

But that's not where he lives, you fucking dumbshit.

Good argument. With skill and effort like that, you, too, can play Joker.

NIGFU NATION LETS GOOOOO

Esam literally does believe that, moron, and Leo agrees Pika beats Joker.

Is Palutena gonna be one of the only people to beat Leo’s Joker?

how boring do you get

he's coming for you MKLEO

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EE NO YOULL GET BANNED

Let's go!

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Joker is high tier without arsene

Watching Nairo play is like having an epileptic fit.

*top

>nigfu nation

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NAIRO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

GIVE HIM YOUR ENERGY

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the only nerf arsene has ever had is a slight nerf to the counter, that's it, not even joker himself has been nerfed ever.

>THAT GUY WHO WENT TO SLEEP

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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AAAAAAAAAAAAA

It's actually going to happen bros.

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HE'S DOING IT HE'S DOING IT

his time

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HE FUCKING DID IT

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT JUST HAPPENED

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HOLY SHIT
NAIRO ACTUALLY DID IT

NAIROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HE DID IT THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

HE DID IT

>nairo finally gets a win
I'm so happy for him

NAIROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
PALUTIDDIES

GET IN HERE NAIFUS

dang it

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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HE DID IT, eat shit all those faggots that say Leo is unbeatable

He did. He fucking did it!

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THE DOWNLOAD SET

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HOLY FUCKING HELL.
THAT IS A TRUE COMEBACK

FUCKING FINALLY

HOLY SH1T

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you mean the banjo one?
I'm still here

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Guess I have to main Palu now

post palutena LEWDS

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>HE DID IT

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Big Tiddy Goddess ending the joker menace with a pounce.

Nice

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BASED

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J O K E R I S B A D

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NAIFU NATION WINS AGAIN!!

Victory thread:

He actually fucking did it

>obviously threw 2 of those matches
Yeah... Leo is totally beatable. ANd I'm sure he didn't get a nice payout for the rig.

Fapping to palutena until I fucking die.

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glad i stayed up to witness the era of nairo begin

Nairo is not Palutena you goddamn creepers

>now nairo beats joker
It isn't joker, good players are actually adapting instead of whining for nerfs.

happy for nairo but he really needs to be a bit less of an asshole on his streams.

>MK Leo: Mexican

>Samsora: Black
>Nairo: Mutt

Is being non-white the key to beat him?

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*nigfus

thats like saying leo isnt joker

Nairo isn't a mutt, he's pure Dominican

how do you know he isn't when joker wears a mask?

He gets in moods I think.
Sometimes he's a little mean but sometimes he's really cool.
That's just from what I've seen tho.

Marss beat him today and before EVO too

So he's essentially a Mexican too?

Nairo did it!
Time to masturbate, what are you guys going to fap to tonight?

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Same. I just can't settle on one.
I seem to come back to Bowser, Wario and Dedede the most though, and I'm probably best with the Bowser. Having a lot of fun playing Banjo as well.
Will probably end up going for Bowser, unless Terry or any later DLC really clicks with me.

>giant Smash attacks in every direction
>a million multi-hits
>brainless counter/reflect combo
>throws that kill early
>ranged super safe large hitbox off-stage edgeguarding
>great aerials
>great dash attacks
>great tilts

Literally no fucking weaknesses. Everything just works. Even Joker has some. It's nice to see people chipping away at a champ, but just further proves this ezpz mary sue is SS tier.

he's only really an ass if people try to be know-it-alls and tell a top 10 player how to play the game iirc

move over

marss literally just beat him today user

MuteAce is supposedly one of his buddies.

He is very good against other mid-low tiers but he gets dumpstered on by almost any high tier, with specific mention to Joker, Roy/Chrom, and Megaman. Those matchups in particular are nigh-unwinnable.
Hero's only real positive is that he can kill at ridiculously low percents, he falls apart due to his massive flaws
>Incredibly mediocre ground and air speed
>His moves are either fast but with hitboxes smaller than Falcon's Knee Sweetspot, or large but with 15 years of startup to the point where a mouthbreather can parry it
>Command Menu is not viable to use against rushdown and zoners (so most of the cast), locking him out of pretty much all of his good moves
>You are almost never going to get the option you want out of Command Menu. It's like if Shulk had to roll dice every time he wanted a Monado Art. RNG hurts the Hero player far more than the opponent in almost every circumstance.
>Magic Burst is a meme. It never kills unless you have a lot of magic, there's a million different methods of counterplay, and it leaves him completely useless since he instantly loses all of his MP, meaning he can't use Zap which is pretty much his entire neutral.
I wish they nerfed his jank early kills and made him feel like an actual character to compensate.

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Once, and that C. Falcon didn't left a good impression. But I'll give him credit

Same. I'd take a buff to regular Joker in exchange for them reworking the rebel guard.

Palu's main weakness is that her ground game is very limited.
Her grab and dash attack are amazing, sure, but her tilts are all slow, unsafe, and extremely situational, and she has the second slowest jab in the game (only Bayo's is slower).

Also, she has issues hitting small characters.

you could always do it, the only change CERO made was a late patch in smash 4 to stitch a bit to the opening of her dress and give her shorts/bloomers in the japanese version, which carried over to ultimate for all versions they even changed her dress position for ultimate's render mid development, i guess a woman's knee is too risque, but you can still see her underwear regardless.
sourcegaming.info/2015/09/18/cero-and-palutenas-censorship/
tl;dr you can see her underwear, even more in the non JP versions of wii u but CERO is a bunch of hacks once more

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>Nobody is winning shit except Leo.
Tell me, what is EGS Cup 2 and Sumabato SP 8?

hey those are my banjo OC memes, nice

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palutena, she gets the best SFM animations imo