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those games are shit though
The preference of who your put your dick inside of isn't politics.
i hate video games
yes it is, you know it is cunt fuck off
Halo didn't have politics at first. The first two games were generally passive about the idea.
Metal Gear was always political. Bioshock is about economics and philosophy, there are no salient political messages in the game, not until Bioshock Infinite.
dilate
Why do we keep having this thread.
theres nothing wrong with politics in games.
Having a gay ass nigger in your game isn't politics. Bioshock isn't even politics.
Halo isn't even politics.
political themed games =/ white people bad, mutilated genitalia good, politics
Fictitious politics to serve the plot are fine
It's blatant soapboxing that pisses people off
Even then it wouldn't be a problem if devs were capable of subtlety
Trips of truth
Those pose political questions, not preaching a political opinion being good/bad
>LGBT positive person telling me to dilate
eat shit you fuckin coom poster
someone ban this guy
why do you goons post here? do you think lowtax's "wacky and zany" humor will result in some sick burn on those evil nazis on Yea Forums or something?
oh and tell FAU we found him
seething tranny
>HOW DARE YOU NOT WANT MY SHIT POLITICAL OPINIONS IN YOUR GAMES
>only include politics that conform to my worldviews!
Sounds like something an SJW would say.
When they say they don't want politics in video games it means they dont want pozzed shit
Die you fucking liberal
cutting your dick off isn't political.
nigga i'm a 6'3 hairy ass man
keep saying the same 3 catchphrases because you came from /r/Yea Forums or discord in 2018 and you think you're so cool for coming here
No one listens to the stories in those games unless it’s some libtard tranny fighter lmao it’s just shooting stuff
People obviously mean modern day, borderline propaganda messages in them. A political theme or message is one thing. "Here's how you should feel about modern issue" is quite another. At best it's alienating propaganda and at worst it feels like it's a dated pop culture reference.
I think the real issue here is that we conflate "uhm, racism is bad sweaty *nail painting emoji*" with forcing the player to make choices that don't yield a simple good/bad outcome.
If your story's message is something as basic as "x is bad; y is good" then it shouldn't be regarded as politics, it should be seen as an elementary school-level mother goose lesson.
How does examples of games with political themes disprove Patricks statement? Just because a game has a political overtone, doesn't mean that its instantly okay.
Okay. Then I dont like games with dogshit writing pretending to be nuanced political art pieces instead of lame propaganda. Also keep in mind that most people will disregard any pandering or preaching IF THE GAME IS GOOD TO BEGIN WITH
No it isnt.
>some litteral who
lol what the fuck man. Are you going to say racism is bad and then quote some racist. Why the fuck are you making these edits.
cope harder
Why do you think they are represented by used diapers?
>homos aren't political
Politics ruined those games though.
Games debating philosophy =/= putting niggers and women into your game to appease an audience who doesn't even play video games.
I never noticed politics in those games because they were focused more on the gameplay.
Politics NOW is to overshadow gameplay, which makes them more glaring.
>Political themes means the games is about modern politics
you people need to be shot
>games shouldn't have politics
>so here's a list of a bunch of games with politics
What's this supposed to even prove?
Huh? The image says "Games shoudn't have politics in them" period, but then it also shows games with "politics" in them?
Patrick is just saying games shouldn't have politics period, so why would Spongebob show him those games?
Also, who the fuck made this image they didn't even spell "shouldn't" right.
jesus
who is that handsome shrugging devil?
Political games are fine. The statement needs to be rewritten as "Games shouldn't have modern-day politics in them", because if they have them, then they become preachy and it becomes obvious that the devs have a certain agenda one way or another, and that's what people hate. In the case of all those games, the politics aren't completely tied to our current reality, and they in fact just serve to further the universe the player is put inside of.
recommend a game about oppressing minorities
Everyone here seems to shit on libfag agenda- But innovation in technology, entertainment and contemporary art (in general), is based around capitalistic liberal ideals and agendas. Conservatives are always afraid of change and you can't get innovation by being conservative.
I like Papers Please
you're right. sexuality in the current year isnt political.
Call me when fags start getting lynched in the streets again.
>Bioshock is about economics and philosophy, there are no salient political messages in the game
>FUCK CAPITALISM
>FUCK COMMUNISM
>FUCK RELIGION
>t. main antagonist
>"Games shouldn't have modern-day politics in them"
those aren't modern day politics.
why the fuck is everyone ignorant to what politics mean.
Politics are government shit. not "hurr this should be socially accepted".
Resident Evil 5
>Actual Liberalism
>The fiucked to death mess that is modern american "Liberalism"
One of these things is not like the other
nice try
LIberalism isn't progressive, don't use those terms interchangably like that.
Conservatives are far more liberal than "liberals".
Bioshock Infinite is a perfect example of why shoehorning in politics is bad, it tries to touch on so many topics but has absolutely no actual statements to make about them
geopolitics aren't the politics gamers hate
perhaps the statement should be "games shouldn't have an political agenda" but then that just sounds like censorship
>political themed games =/ my made up sjw boogyman that's not in the actual game, politics
According to you, is the term "political correctness" inherently flawed then and should not be used? You are an idiot.
played it and loved it except for the darkie that kept following me
>>FUCK CAPITALISM
Not politics
>>FUCK COMMUNISM
fuck commies
>>FUCK RELIGION
Not politics
When people say they don’t want politics in video games, what they mean is they don’t want identity politics in video games because identity politics are first world problems and don’t make for compelling plot points.
That sounds better, but saying it sounds like censorship doesn't really make sense considering that a consumer would be the one complaining not the government or whatever.
> 6'3 hairy ass man
That's how literally every trannie that I have ever seen looks like
>games about philosophy, nations, geopolitics
vs
>identity politics.
Quit being so disingenuous you dumb fuck.
Not sure why people bitch about the politics, the racist moments were some of the better written moments instead of mommy/daddy issues incarnate and whatever the fuck the twins were on about.
Political philosophy is different from political propaganda.
Morrowind.
Fictional politics are not the same thing as inserting current real-world politics
>internal politics
>period piece politics
>internal politics because of period piece politics
>crazy internal politics from the mind of a mad man
>internal politics that is reminiscent of Soviet era communism but never delved into beyond aesthetic
>internal politics either drawn from history and kept accurate to history or barely reminiscent of anything in the contemporary real world
Meanwhile
>the history-focused Battlefield series makes a world war two shooter starring a woman with a prosthetic arm that is so much better than all the boys and the development team goes out of their way to make it very clear that this is a political message for contemporary gender politics that completely spit in the face of the of historical realism that BF is known for
>According to you, is the term "political correctness" inherently flawed then and should not be used?
Yes?
PC is a retarded wrong think system.
If the intent is "anti-racism" PC is a retarded fucking term.
If you want to say "WELL DEFINITIONS CHANGE" then you're lumping the old definition of politics with your PC version of politics.
Yeah no shit when you cast that wide of a net, you're going to pull litterally everything behind you.
You are an idiot.
what's politically argumentative about adding women to a realistically styled ww2 fps
Than you admit that it's not politics and you're no different from the sjws you whinge about nonstop
The problem is that Americans only use the word politics for current hot button issues in the current government
While the rest of the worlduses it in its original meaning which is class struggle and social conflict
>All CoD Campaigns
>A mountain of soiled diapers
Is Spongebob defending or opposing politics in games?
it's only bad when done to clearly try and bait a target demographic into buying a product they will never fucking care about.
shut up
Those games have their own world and characters the politics are secondary. When you write a game just for political shitflinging you get black protagonists beating up Monald Frump. If MGS was just some poorly written game where you beat up Dill Blinton people would hate it just as much.
The guy from high School Musical
>the racist moments were some of the better written moments
You mean the part where your told to throw a baseball at a minority and no matter what choice you made the scene would literally not change?
Thanks user, by liberals I meant progressivefags
>your brain on /pol/
Rent free.
no u
Those two things are not mutually exclusive
Keep coping.
You know as well as I know that left politics are going to be the norm of v in the future
Papers Please is the only one of those close to actual politics, and it's still a bad example.
Games are art. You dont have to consume art that contains things you dont like. You dont have to play every game, just like you dont have to read every book or watch every movie. just enjoy yourself. If we restrict what's acceptable in art then we have ruined the meaning of art in general. Be thankful we live in a capitalist society where you have the freedom to buy and to not buy.
I dont get getting mad at things you aren't required to take part in.
Zac Efron I think.
well that depends on what progressive means. personally I think its a dumb term, because you can't be "pro" progress. Progress is a positive term in general. Everyone is "progressive", it would be more the party of change, I guess?
I dunno all these fucking terms are so dumb it really throws me for a loop when I actually think about them.
For real, you faggots are scared of videogames questioning your political believes? It's a fucking videogame. Not an academic work. If the guy making it has a political message which surely will be as stupid as your political views, as long as the gameplay is good it doesn't matter. Stop being babies for fuck sake.
okay, blatant favoritism to one side in politics shouldn't be in videogames, how about that?
>Games are art.
Nah, games are supposed to be entertaining time wasters. "interactive experiences" would be a better term for art.
There's nothing political about saying fuck capitalism.
You wouldn't make much of an essay out of it from just using the superficial identities. Maybe on some deeper level of language, through basic political theory and Orwellianism you can conjure a reason for why "FUCK CAPITALISM," is largely a political message, but even then the narrative isn't substantiated by its political leanings. The whole game is about Ayn Rand and literature as a whole, politics is kind of a secondary or even tertiary pursuit.
v just doesn't like politics they disagree with in games. I'm not sure why people make such complicated explanations for why those games in the op don't count as political games
Conservatives are devoid of creativity. Why don't they make their own games?
Jesus Resetera calm down and stop comparing political drama with tranny flags.
Papers please is hilarious because it demonstrates that most people will willingly miss the point if it serves their agenda
>For real, you faggots are scared of videogames questioning your political believes?
Who are you quoting?
t. reseterra tranny
go back to fapping to your tranny porn faggot
Yea Forums UNITE UP!
FUCK WOMEN, NIGGERS AND MINORITIES
/thread
>Why don't they make their own games?
They do.
Andrew Ryan isn’t even the main villain of Bioshock
No one because I'm asking a question, imbecile.
>as long as the gameplay is good it doesn't matter.
But isn't that were the usually "political" games fail? Because not only having a forced agenda or something, there also just shit fucking games, so it basically it gives people to be extra mad at 2 things combined.
shoving a dildo in your ass isn't politics retardera
Roger
>comparing SJW identity politics to the anti-nuclear politics in MGS
Kill yourself, OP
Metal Gear is political as it gets.
>Halo CE
>Doesn’t even have politics, you schizo
>Bioshock
>Discusses timeless political philosophies and is still a good game
>Fallout
>Discusses timeless political philosophies and is still a good game
>Metal Gear
>Discusses timeless political philosophies and is still a good game
>Papers, Please
>Discusses timeless political philosophies and is still a good game
>CoD Campaigns
>Discusses timeless political philosophies and is still a pretty good
>What ever game you like
>FUCK WHITE MEN! FUCK TRUMP! FUCK RIGHT-WINGERS! FUCK RICH PEOPLE! *Only discusses modern day politics that will be outdated after a few years, and doesn’t take an intelligent approach to politics, could just be a low effort political comic*
>*Is also just extremely bad even when ignoring politics*
That's the whole point of why they stole progressive. If you oppose progress (ie sexual liberation, feminism, gays, lesbian, transexuals, abortion and more) you are backwards, holding humanity back.
>thing that exists
>thing that exists
>thing that exists
>thing that doesn't exist
Hmmmmm
antagonist =/= villain
Oh well I would think Yea Forums would say no.
Mind if I ask if you're a retarded faggot?
Oh, Im doing that right now, you should start watching some of it, in short all of your videogames are going to have trans people on them, so, you better get used to them
name one game with SJW politics that has good gameplay, I'll wait
lol this
define SJW politics
I can’t even name one game with blatant SJW politics.
Nigger =/= human
Well like some user already pointed out
>FUCK WHITE MEN! FUCK TRUMP! FUCK RIGHT-WINGERS! FUCK RICH PEOPLE!
Life is Strange 2 comes to mind
Why wasn't one of the examples Spec Ops: The Line?
If you are retarded and somehow misconstrue "nukes bad" as politics
And that's your opinion that you are free to have.
There's nothing political about saying fuck white men/Trump/right wingers etc.
You wouldn't make much of an essay out of it from just using the superficial identities. Maybe on some deeper level of language, through basic political theory you can conjure a reason for why "FUCK WHITE MEN! FUCK TRUMP! FUCK RIGHT-WINGERS! FUCK RICH PEOPLE!," is largely a political message, but even then the narrative isn't substantiated by its political leanings.
Good grief Wonder Negro, who told you to came out of the cage?
>these politics are not politics because I say so
>There's nothing political about saying fuck capitalism.
only if you say "fuck capitalism" on purely economic grounds, but barely anyone does this. people support, or oppose, economic systems based on ethical presuppositions for social well being. this is especially true considering economic systems often are contingent on some kind of power structure or a state, so when you say "fuck capitalism", you are also saying fuck any political structures that support it.
Ayn Rand was a explicitly political, one of her key ideas in things like Atlas Shrugged is literally how the state is evil.
See
War is bad isn't politics.
Also normies.
>There's nothing political about saying fuck white men/Trump/right wingers etc.
But this is what’s considered modern political discussion in America
>There's nothing political about saying fuck white men/Trump/right wingers etc.
Wha--
>But this is what’s considered modern political discussion in /pol/
Ftfy
Do you consider every basic moral message a political statement?
>Art is only art if it's not entertaining and you stare at a bunch of blobs that don't mean anything
user you should really stop thinking that twitter and clickbait articles are reality
>There's nothing political about saying fuck white men/Trump/right wingers etc.
You are delusional
what
I haven't played a single game with that agenda.
shut the fuck up nigger MGS3 was about the cold war just because you chose to ignore it, it won't go away.
here is another example
youtu.be
Is that really all you got from the MGS series?
You can call anything politics just for the sake of having more tranny flags and gender neutral characters in videogames.
It's funny that one side wants everything to be considered politics while the other wants less things to be considered politics.
>Ayn Rand was a explicitly political, one of her key ideas in things like Atlas Shrugged is literally how the state is evil.
Yes, but the mechanisms used to interpret the narrative aren't inherently political. It would be like saying Evangelion is a political anime because it was influenced by highly political sources. It doesn't compute. It's not sensible. Evangelion is a romantic anime, with a lot to say about psychology and religion, but that doesn't mean it's a political message to a generation. We give it that quality through our interpretation, but the devs behind Bioshock don't really stand to make a case out of criticizing Ayn Rand and still tackling a huge political message at the same time, those are both herculean efforts, and they can't do both in the same game, let alone in three games.
k
>There's nothing political about saying fuck white men/Trump/right wingers etc.
>actual thought provoking politics from 5+ years ago
compared to
>gender and racial politics of modern games
>supposed to be entertaining time wasters
Games are whatever the creator wants it to be
None of these games have political content or political motivations beyond curtain dressing.
>cold war
>modern politics
lmao
>sends me a half hour video as "evidence"
no? I certainly didn't get anything political though.
What if they don't make a game?
this is unironically what these people think.
>halo
No politics
>bioshock
Racism isn't politics and rapture was an failed society
>fallout
Pseudo politics
>mgs
Pseudo politics
Next.
Jesus fucking Christ this mental gymnastics to not admit Bioshock was a criticism to Ayn Rand's philosophy including politics.
Because those games have fake made up politics that aren't there to try and influence or reinforce people's opinions on real world political issues you dumbass
>You wouldn't make much of an essay out of it from just using the superficial identities.
A. You can make an essay out of anything.
B. You don’t need to make an essay for something to be political either way.
C. We can tell you are using Google to look up synonyms of basic words, you gigafaggot
I don't see how the presence of a non white in a video game affects you. Don't you people say that
non white people don't need to feel identified to enjoy media? Apply that to yourself
Watch the video faggot they talk about Fidel Castro, Ortega and Nicaragua. The characters are openly talking about politics. Again you're fucking wrong.
>It's not political if it's FUCK CAPITALISM
>It's not political if it's WAR IS BAD
>It's not political if it's FUCK RELIGION
>It's totally political if it's FUCK RIGHT WINGERS
It's basic literary theory.
You can't call everything political just because it has political content in it. Dr. Seuss books are inherently political then, since they have fish by colors and numbers. Do you see where the reductionism leads?
>Don't you people say that
>non white people don't need to feel identified to enjoy media
No, fuck pandering to people who don't play video games, don't speak for me, nigger.
If modern warfare 2 were made now despite only being a few years old the scene where Shepherd nonchalantly shoots Ghost in the fucking face would be replaced with a scene where the first female navy seal beats him up just before he starts his insane rambling about no shortage of patriots by interrupting him with a quip about there being no shortage of powerful women.
No retard. Bioshock is a criticism to Ayn Rand's philosophy that includes, economics, politics, morality etc.
I don't understand why resetera wants us to put the cold war and being a tranny in the same spectrum of politics. Like, if you're okay with one you should be okay with the other? How would this make any sense for any person?
If you're going that far you could say anything is political (which I'm sure they do) therefore your argument doesn't have any weight to it, if anything is political, just remove using videogames as instruments for your agenda or sick ideology, because you're not only reaching people who agree with you, you're indoctrinating kids who have no idea about this, because kids are the majority playing videogames.
BioShock literally beats you over the head with Ayn Rand and objectivism criticism
>Watch the video faggot they talk about Fidel Castro, Ortega and Nicaragua.
nigger Fidel Castro hasn't been in power for a decade.
None of this involves modern politics at all.
Yes and that would mean that the writer would intend to tackle these huge, immense and diverse topics in a single narrative while maintaining a color, an agenda, and a reason for being; the nature of politics therein.
No one can do that. Not in a single game, not in five. Hideo Kojima couldn't do it in five mainline games, why do you think Bioshock could magically campaign for anti-communist and ancap themes in a single game?
What was Bioshock's criticism of objectivitism exactly?
Nice goalpost moving
>C. We can tell you are using Google to look up synonyms of basic words, you gigafaggot
Actually no, I'm just copy pasting this reply arguing Bioshock isn't political for having relatively similar superficial messages in the same vain that Yea Forums likes to describe their sjw boogymen games. The responses perfectly demonstrate the double standard that /pol/tards
Evangelion is not political, Bioshock however very much is. Rapture is an analogical manifestation of an Objectivist philosophy , and the resulting consequences of said society as well as it's ethical dilemmas.
What you're saying is the equivalent of saying 1984 fails to be a political book because it was influenced by totalitarianism but doesn't actually make an explicit thesis statement at any point on politics and the virtue, or dangers, of that kind of totalitarian society. By your own logic, 1984 is a romance book.
fuck you nigger you don't get to move the goal post, peace walker takes place in the 60/70s so those characters are relevant to the plot and metal gear is heavy on politics. eat dick you're fucking wrong and gay.
>goal post moving
If you think Politics from 40 fucking years ago is political then you are a retard
Yeah I played the game and it went over my head, the fact that it makes you crazy maybe?
We should remember that the minds writing Bioshock aren't every bright, hell Ayn Rand isn't someone who deserves respect from any intellectual either.
>they can't do that because it doesn't fit my narrative
lmao
Papers please was really cool. The opressive atmosphere made me play several times simply because I NEEDED to have at least one good ending.
I stopped playing once I got a good ending because I was afraid that was the only one.
>politics are not political
American interventionism is pretty relevant these days
No you're confusing a criticism for a homage. Bioshock criticizes Ayn Rand, it's not an homage or a celebration of her novel. Bioshock can't very well celebrate moral objectivism by interpreting the solutions provided with a gloomy and pessimistic outlook.
See
they are relevant, today and hundred years from now. retard.
It went over your head because dropping Ayn Rand references doesn't make Bioshock a game about objectivism any more than Deus Ex dropping references to GK Chester makes it a game about Christian apologists.
Then every game with violence is inherently political
Go fuck yourself, this argument is stupid.
you are totally misunderstanding me and probably deliberately, I never once claimed Bioshock is in anyway celebrating or "paying homage" to the Fountainhead or Ayn Rand, it is doing very much the opposite and is explicitly criticising her general philosophy and ideal political structure. that is the crux of the narrative's theme and purpose.
It all boils down to politics I don't like don't belong in videogames. No need for this much jumping through hoops
There are 0 politics that I like in videogames though.
Are you legitimately retarded?
I think the real problem is video games being used as a propaganda tool. That's what different between a game like Call of Duty and Life is Strange 2.
Are you?
I am really curious.
Is Total war: Rome 2 political?
>The preference of who you put your dick inside SHOULDN'T be politics.
Fixed that for you.
odd how this is a correct comment and ignored.
It's not that politics don't belong in video games.
The problem is people make ideological driven decisions
>the black people are under represented so I will insert more
Versus artistic decisions
>black people are hot and their culture is exotic to me
When you make ideological decisions over creative ones, you are not making art you are making propaganda
Wrong, it boils down to politics that make a very specific partisan statement.
Example
>War is bad
Is that a statement against republicans or democrats?
Both, because both at intervals fuck shit up.
>FUCK BORDERS
That is a clear pro-democrat statement.
>tranny and abortion propaganda
Same, clear pro-democrat statement
How is glorification of joining the armed forces not also propaganda?
Rapture is directly influenced by Galt's Gulch, and the villain is Objectivism literally manifested and portrayed, and of course the narrative is the resulting potential consequences of a non utopian perspective on the ethical and political system.
Bioshock doesn't simply and passingly reference Ayn Rand
It still stands that because a piece of art has political content, its overall identity should stay the same.
I can't call Bioshock a political message about economics or government because it doesn't have realistic solutions for the things it criticizes. That takes a writer, with a skilled hand. Kojima provides an opinion on war, and mercenaries, he gives his solution to a world without war, and decries it, says it would be the end of mankind. These are political messages forwarded through a game. Bioshock openly admitting to Capitalism being insufficient doesn't actually provide an opinion on anything. Nor does it give objectivism a reasonable purpose to its audience, I don't feel like a soldier who can campaign for moral objectivism after reading or experiencing the story.
Why do people say Halo is a political game?
because they are stupid and think there is some deeper meaning when the devs only wanted to make cool action scenes.
Not odd how you're an easily impressed retard
Glorification is a subjective appreciation
All the games listed in OP use Politics as a backdrop, with the plot being centrally focused on the characters and the betrayals and drama between them. and even if the political systems ~were~ heavily involved in the main story (which they are not) they would be make believe or ones that have only existed in theory: the Utopia's of Bioshock are a great example
I think you're being a bit generous with your definition of "politics."
Bioshock is a game about shooting mutants in an underwater city. It is not *about* objectivism. It has objectivist content as curtain dressing. Prove me wrong by explaining what the games actual critique of Ayn Rand's philosophy is.
The third game talks about race and it has strong opinions on how race isn't important.
The Sanghelli and the Brutes change places in the game, guarding the high council. This change upsets the equilibrium of the Covenant, which argues that the foundation of race is worth something. This is changed later on in the story when Gravemind, the main villain, tries to subvert both the humans and the Covenant through a plot, causing the Flood to kill and assimilate everything into a singular "race." Effectively immiserating racial differences altogether.
No need to change the subject user. You claimed that MGS is not political when it clearly is then you said that that means that all games with violence are political?
Again, in the scheme of you enjoyment of the game why does the presence of a non white or a woman prevent you from enjoying a game?
identity politics
Not just saying "war is bad" a bunch.
I think games with a conservative message or any other political group message would be interesting.
Sadly games in a big way are just one big liberal echo chamber.
I wonder.
That shit wouldn’t happen if there wasn’t retards that scream “muh degeneracy” eveytime some gay does something
>what?
>a look at what would happen in a society based on an ideology that isnt used in the industrial world
>a look at what could happen if the apocalypse happened and order was trying to be found in a world without order
>nukes kill people and giant mechs (wow such politics)
>what? war kills people. no shit
these are not politics user, a few are blatant observations and others are looks at would could happen. none of these games portray a certain ideology as right or wrong. none have agendas. your shitty game wants us to think mentally ill people who cut their dicks off are normal and we should see the trans flag next to our american flags. its an agenda. its exaggerating the numbers. trannies are like less than 1% percent of the population yet they have a main character in that one indie game and more exist in others. the numbers dont add up. they arent normal
Halo has politics?
>for art to be considered political it has to make an explicit ethical or political statement either for or against
therefore, Animal Farm and 1984 are not political novels, for Orwell fails to actually make an explicit statement. He simply portrays said system, but does he actually bring potential solutions? Does he spell out to the audience Ingsoc is evil? No.
Yeah, better pretend it's all good and normalize it.
Oh wait, no.
It's because conservatives make games about being fucking video games. Liberals use games as propaganda for their ideology.
Theres a difference between games that explore political themes and games that are politically driven or charged.
Best example I can think of
Old Bioware vs New Bioware
That's like saying Starship Troopers is about shooting bugs
Well... shit your right
>war is bad
ok
>transgenderism, open boarders, black people
no
Well since every game deal with the most bullshit historical tie in is political then I guess MGS is political.
And every game with violence is political because most governments have legislation for them.
I mean the ESRB was fucking founded on a political controversy so what the fuck ever.
>It has objectivist content as curtain dressing. Prove me wrong by explaining what the games actual critique of Ayn Rand's philosophy is.
We can reduce a video game to it's core mechanic tenets and totally ignore it's narrative if you want, but once that occurs I very much disagree with any statement that we can even call Bioshock "Bioshock" without it's story, characters and world building.
Yes Bioshock, the shooty game set in an underwater, isn't actually inherently political. But what an utterly purposeless response because we'd have to totally ignore it's thematic and philosophical themes in it's story.
First off that's Halo 2, not Halo 3.
Secondly, I don't remember any of that commentary on race from Halo 2's story.
How so? I haven't played in years, all I thought of it was that the game is supposed to be a satire of communist countries or something?
>Again, in the scheme of you enjoyment of the game why does the presence of a non white or a woman prevent you from enjoying a game?
Non-white women generally don't effect my enjoyment of the game. I'm just elucidate the difference between creative and ideological decisions made in an artform. Inserting non-white people into a game as a novelty is, you know, sort of a racist act.
People saying they don't want politics in games is just them being nice and not saying they don't want prog shit stuffed down their throats like you get in most other mediums.
If you really want people to start being explicit about that, they can I guess.
Why can’t you faggots just admit that you don’t like gays and trannies in your games? Isn’t that hard to say it in an anonymous board
No, see, Animal Farm has political content, and it has a political message. The author's message, about what is just and unjust about class warfae, is in the book. That makes the book political. Bioshock forcing you to choose between saving the Little Sisters or harvesting them isn't inherently political. Bioshock telling you that every man is worth his own salt, only to a tragic end is not inherently political. The reality of Bioshock cannot be expressed through the mechanisms of the political devices used.
I can extract from Metal Gear, the authors intended meaning for myself. I cannot without due inference, extract political ideology from Bioshock. That means it's more literary than political.
Men of straw.
You’re right, it isn’t. However, you’re trying to make it political.
>Onions scarecrow
> Inserting non-white people into a game as a novelty is, you know, sort of a racist act.
This reminded me of this
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>Why can’t you faggots just admit that you don’t like gays and trannies in your games?
and also Bioshock very clearly does criticise Galt's Gulch, it fails. That's the point, it collapses, it's system leads to class conflict, hedonism, corruption, amorality, etc.
Speak for yourself. I don't like anything that makes it clear whoever made the game will vote for the democrats in 2020. Vote them all you want, don't shill them.
Usually games that are "republican" are ironically completely apolitical.
Rico and is classmates are driven by ra ra nationalism. The main character in Bioshock is motivated by brainwashing and the player wanting to shoot stuff.
The uprising of the Brutes is literally the rising action between both Halo 2 and Halo 3. The climax is the war between the Sanghelli and the Flood, at the cusp of Halo 3. You cannot miss that. It is literally in the games. The division of the content wouldn't change anything about how the story is interpreted.
admit? We are on Yea Forums, everyone hates trannies here.
I'm speaking to anti-onions, gamer.
I know about the Prophets replacing the Elites with Brutes, the Elites defecting to the human side, and the Flood aiding the humans to prevent the rings from being detonated. I don't remember anyone talking about superior/inferior races or how race was a social construct being used to manipulate people.
We don't and we're trying to explain to you why we don't
>guys check out my 19th century definition of liberals and conservatives.
To be topical, i can recall mgs really being the beginning of political games. that was also the beginning of cinematic gaming. I guess you need to talk about something.
I don't like romance/sexuality in games or movies because they rarely ever serve a purpose beyond marketing.
It's included for superficial reasons that don't add anything to gameplay and characters shouldn't have their identity revolve around their sexuality. They might as well base their personality on the clothing they wear.
How can a game be apolitical if it's republican?
games shouldn't have shoehorned politics. You want a political game? build it up in a way it makes sense in the context of your game world. no one complains that metal gear has anti war political messages, because you explore what war does to the people who enter it day in and day out. it doesn't come off as jarring when a character finally says "is war bad?" people only complain about politics in games when it feels like you're being force fed a message instead of being allowed to digest that message myself and create my own conclusions.
Oh.... shit. I guess my memories of arguing with some guy on twitter about antifa who had that as his pfp came back.
I don't like gay and tranny characters because, typically it's their entire fucking character
When people say games shouldn't have politics, they mean games shouldn't be seen as tools to spread political ideologies.
Saying everything is political is like saying everything is an advertisement. There's a difference between the main character driving a car and every car being the same brand and they zoom in on it every time for pointless driving scenes that add nothing to the film.
I admit it, putting degeneracy into video games will corrupt the minds of the children in a way that violence, drugs and sex could never do.
Yet you only complain when it's a gay romance
You kill space jihadis that have advanced tech. That's it.
Halo 2 has a very political subplot from the Arbiter's side, but self-contained. It does not mirror anything from the real world.
>Vote them all you want, don't shill them.
>”Bro you can be gay I don’t care but don’t kiss your bf or speak your gayness in front of me, is making me uncomfortable”
You’re a closeted faggot-hater
The reality of Bioshock is explicitly expressed in the social and political collapse of the system, the existence of the environment the player has to fight only exists due to the collapse of said system.
Animal Farm does indeed have political content, the fact you were able to find it even when clearly not explicitly told and spelled out to you is my whole point. The collapse of revolution, how it is easily corruptible, Orwell is using a representation of said system and it's collapse which you can then easily discern it's primary message. This goes even further with a novel like 1984, the implicit thesis statement in that novel is how potentially awful that society is.
but Orwell never spells out to you his political message, he never says it is bad nor does he ever provide any kind of solution, the reader discerns said message through their experience of the work. Bioshock does the same thing, certainly not as well, but does the same thing.
when people say politics they mean those made up identity politics you faggots keep pushing
Are we stuck in a loop? Have you never heard this?
>our game will be apolitical
>THIS GAME ADVOCATES FOR THE RACIST, SEXIST, HOMOPHOBIC STATUS QUO
The latest Call of Duty? Heard anything? You're either a turbocuckold advocating heart and soul for the liberal democrats, or you're a nazist. Status quo = you want hitler to hang trannies.
Because it feels forced
I think it's funny that there's such a boom of gay shit in media just because gays want "representation". Yeah, it's totally not a way of converting more people and brainwash the kids, it's just about feeling more represented in these fictional stories.
Issue is a combination of blatant marketing on controversial topics and shitty writing lacking depth giving it the impression they just tacked it on to try to sell it to people who agree with it, not so much the politics themselves. That's not to say there isn't situations where it's actually written with some form of care that raises controversy for no good reason, but you'll always have fags trying to censor shit they don't agree with.
See that's what I was thinking. Halo 2 has politics as a method to drive the plot forward, but I wouldn't consider Halo 2 to be a political commentary or have a specific message you were supposed to take from it.
Don't be mad because some people left in this world are normal. Suck all the cock you want, away from my videogames.
>in a way that violence, drugs and sex could never do.
>”son you can smoke all the mariahuana you want but don’t kiss a man or will beat you to death with the belt”
there's a difference between a story being political and a story shoving and ideology down your throat. Not only are the "political games" actually games, but they handle it in a mature manner
it isn't inherently political
but bigots make it political
the main character in Bioshock is a vessel for which the player experiences the setting, he is merely the narrative device through which the player can observe and interact with the narrative's themes.
>I don’t hate gay or trans, but everytime I see one of theirs flag i have the urge to complain about it in Yea Forums
>if you see gays then you turn gay yourself
I think they're just trying to stay relevant now that society doesn't consider them to be abnormal and subhumans anymore, and now that they've got gay marriage. maybe nobody cares about them nowadays
Well maybe if trans people stopped acting like autistic faggots we wouldn't hate them
I don't know about that but I do know I never had homoerotic fantasies until I tried weed for the first time.
Nigger I’m not a faggot unlike you, lmao. I just hate bitchy hypocrites complaining about “politics” while praising Kojimbo “war is bad” games
Animal farm does explicitly state its political messages though. The book even has the quote, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others," in the book. The authors message can literally be abstracted down to that precise quote. It's not ambiguous. The book is literally ninety pages long, with no real way to miss the point. Bioshock is a eight to fourteen hour game, with tons of art deco, anti-consumerist, anti-sex and moral objectivist themes, motifs and symbols strewn through the game. It is more than easy to miss the point of Bioshock, it is incredibly easy to miss the point of Bioshock. It could not be any easier to miss the point of Bioshock.
Why are you complaining about niche indie games you won't play anyway?
Kids can be manipulated into being trannies, yes, especially if mothers are brainwashed properly, which they are.
Bad poll.
[x] If having an interactive aspect adds nothing to the political ideas you want to push, or worse yet you punish the player if they go against your ideas, you should fuck off to a different medium. Go write a book or tweet or blog your bullshit.
>Status quo = you want hitler to hang trannies.
Is funny how the left hates libertarian just because they don’t scream “RACISM BAD” and they’re just mostly neutral about that issue
I think the main problem is that people don't actually care about politics in a game, they just can't describe why they don't like the way certain games peddle politics versus others and so they perceive the new games and the way they handle their messages as "pushing politics." Additionally, it's very subjective because everyone falls somewhere along the political spectrum, as well as sees certain things as problems while others don't see those same things as problems.
I am actually hesitant to try to even attempt an analysis of this, because I think it's a lot more complicated an issue than of the simple factors that could be explained, and I know that either way, people attack each other's attempts to rationalize why they feel certain games don't handle politics as well as others. But I think what it is, is that it is easy for people to attack, let's say, certain developers pushing women and minority to the front because they feel something's wrong with the way that's handled, and for other people to attack those people because they do not see anything wrong with how it is handled, but no one has actually come up with one clean, solid argument on the problem because they can only describe their own stem reaction. After that, it is pushed into the frontier of subjectivity. I think to actually describe the issue would require a level of research whose summary can analyze why political messages like Battlefield V's are poorly received compared to Modern Warfare's.
The last MGS I played was 4 and I hated it. I don't praise anybody.
most trannies are just autistic kids that were told they were in the wrong body so yeah that's pretty possible
Nobody wants to hear about your ravenous cock lust you sicko. Get an actual identity or don't bother talking.
So about all the games with faggots and trannies that have been released this gen all of them are just “I’m gay”? Do you really think all the games have the same bad writting?
then why do you just say “I don’t want trannies in my games” instead of “I don’t want politics in my games”?
>he says as this whole board is constantly filled with waifu and thread about wanting to fuck
We only hate the histrionic, in-your-face types. They permeate into everything and demand to be included everywhere.
They can't 40% themselves quick enough.
So you hate trannies. See? Isn’t that hard to admit it
It wouldn't be, if certain people didn't whine about representation.
>Animal farm does explicitly state its political messages though. The book even has the quote, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others," in the book.
that statement was not the political message of the book, unless you seriously think Animal Form was actually in favour of said statement. that statement was an explicit amalgamation of the society which was created, by the actual message Orwell was attempting to convey was how said system was unethical and bad and how revolutions are easily corruptible.
>It is more than easy to miss the point of Bioshock, it is incredibly easy to miss the point of Bioshock. It could not be any easier to miss the point of Bioshock.
only if the person playing a fucking retard. Andrew Ryan literally spells out to you his ideology in the exact same way Napoleon spells out his ideology in Animal Farm, and the total work is an implicit message against said ideology.
Who the fuck cares about disposable Yea Forums threads?
Post all the bara threads you want, it'd be better than wojak or smash threads at least.
Funny that you people are the ones plastering tranny shit on Yea Forums to create an outrage circle jerk
I think it's more that people who tend to make games are artsy-type people. And those type of people tend to lean liberal.
Similar logic to why most cops are conservative, or most teachers are liberal. (note I said similar logic, not similar reasons)
so you never talked with your friends about how fucking hot a specific woman is? don’t lie to me nigga we are all horny here.
if you complain when a faggot talk about men then you should also complain when a normal man talk about women
also
>garlfied meme reddit
>You people
Dilate
Having fictional factions in your game argue ovwr fictional issues is fine, it creates mature conflicts that CANNOT relate to irl.
That's the key element, it can't translate into the current world. If it does, then it comes off immediatley as preachy and provocative. Immediatley, your political beliefs will dictate your feelings and opinions of the game when it should be the quality of its assembly, mechanics, and writing.
And for those like me are able to put aside my political opinions to appreciate what lies benith, the fact of the matter is that I'm still getting pestered by the political message of someone else. If it was not meant to elicit feelings or emotions for the merit of the game alone, I don't want it in my fucking games.
>*Only discusses modern day politics that will be outdated after a few years, and doesn’t take an intelligent approach to politics, could just be a low effort political comic*
Oh yes, we all know that gay started existing in the year 2015
I don't know, I haven't played any
>>the history-focused Battlefield series makes a world war two shooter starring a woman with a prosthetic arm that is so much better than all the boys and the development team goes out of their way to make it very clear that this is a political message for contemporary gender politics that completely spit in the face of the of historical realism that BF is known for
every single piece of this is a lie
this is what people are talking about when they say Yea Forums went to shit
The authors message could be abstracted, I said. I didn't say it was the focal intention of the novel.
And not only that, but you fail to argue from reason so you just call me a fucking retard. You're the fucking retard for thinking Atlas and his arch nemesis have the clout and the substance to carry an entire philosophy in just eight short hours of gaming. I don't think you understand how to fucking read a story, let alone tell one, you fucking orphan.
RENT FREE
Oh right, I forgot this was Yea Forums
Explain why it's a lie or shut the fuck up. You're the reason this site went to shit.
You're like the same retards that denied Horizon was basically assemblywomen and the main evil guy was an aryan male specimen.
every time I see this argument I just don't understand why the people making it feel the need to be so goddamn disingenuous. They know exactly what people mean by "shouldn't have politics." People aren't against playing a game where the story has political themes or uses politics to tell a parable applicable to life as a whole. People hate when they're playing some game that clearly doesn't aspire to those kind of ideals but still feels the need to make sure everyone knows what the developer's political ideologies are.
Saying "I don't want politics in my games" is way too vague and leads to this horseshit but what do these people want, every instance of a person being turned off by this nonsense to explain exactly what they mean each time?
what
YOU KNOW WHAT
I’M FUCKING SICK AND TIRED OF THIS BULLSHIT
BOTH THE THROWING OTHER GAMES UNDER THE BUS AND BEING TOO PUSSY AND STUPID TO ADMIT WHAT IS ACTUALLY WRONG WITH X GAME.
WANT TO KNOW THE ACTUAL REASON WHY PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT BF5, NUWOLF, ECT.?
THEY FUCKING SUCK
SIMPLE AS THAT
THEY SUCK BALL.
THESE GAMES SUCK BECAUSE THEY ARE MADE BY PEOPLE WHO DON’T CARE ABOUT THE GAMES. THEY JUST MADE THEM SINCE THEY THOUGHT “Wow I’m such a Nerd xD” WAS SO COOL, BUT THEY DIDN’T ACTUALLY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT GAMES AND ONLY KNOW THE MOST ENTRY LEVEL SHIT ABOUT THEM. ALL THEY KNOW IS FACEBOOK AND TWITTER WHICH IS FILLED WITH BRAINLET MODERN POLITICS THAT WON’T AGE WELL. THEY HAVE NO PASSIONS WHAT SO EVER OR PASSIONS FOR ANYTHING.
SEE PIC RELATED? IT HAS TRANNIES, HOMOSEXUALS, AND SO MUCH MORE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
I STILL LIKE IT, EVEN IF IT IS POLITICAL AND HAS POLITICS I DISAGREE WITH. EVEN MORE THAN THE OFFICIAL MAINLINE GAMES.
IT’S BECAUSE IT’S A FUCKING GOOD GAME AND THE CREATOR MADE THE GAME BECAUSE THEY ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT POKEMON. THEY ADD THINGS THEY SAW IN OTHER RPGS THAT WORKED WELL OR THINGS THAT FANS HAVE WANTED FOR YEARS.
BF5 IS JUST ANOTHER GENERIC WAR SHOOTER BUT NOW WITH TRANS RIGHT SHIT AND NO PASSION
NUWOLF IS JUST ANOTHER GENERIC WAR SHOOTER BUT ADDS “SUBTLE” TRUMP METAPHORS, SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE SAY ITS SHIT, YOU CAN JUST CALL THEM TRIGGER TRUMP SUPPORTER
WORST OF ALL IS THAT THESE PEOPLE AREN’T PASSIONATE ABOUT POLITICS EITHER. THE COMMENTARY IS AS LOW EFFORT AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
THEY JUST POST A TRANS OR HOMO FLAG SOMEWHERE IN THE GAME, OR MAKE THE BILLIONTH BORDER OR REDNECK JOKE.
ANY COMMENTARY WHERE THE POLITICS REFLECT THE CHARACTER’S ACTIONS, LIKE IN MGR?
NOPE.
ANY COMMENTARY ABOUT PHILOSOPHY AND A HIGHER UNDERSTANDING OF IT?
NOPE.
HAVING POLITICS NATURALLY FIT INTO THE STORY OF YOUR GAME?
NEVER.
I didn't call you a retard because I assumed you were intelligent enough to understand that Bioshock's story was a critique of Objectivism, but what is most striking is how poorly you have argued whatever you are attempting to argue since you have so quickly resorted to such an emotional outburst.
The whole crux of your statement is that Bioshock's story somehow fails to be a political critique against a stateless society, capitalist or an Objectivist society because it's "easy to miss the point", that somehow 1984 can stay a political work but Bioshock can't for some strange arbitrary reason that seems contingent on solely your ability to discern the author's message from the other elements of the work. Just as Orwell created 1984 as a critique of totalitarianism, but never explicitly making any ethical or political statement either in favour or against in the text, rather guiding the reader to his position against totalitarianism, Bioshock does literally the exact same thing.
user, I have been on this site for many years. Arguing is always done in bad faith. Lose your attachment to general truth and substitute it with personal truth; otherwise you will suffer.
mw2
>fake conflict
>fake people
>fake leaders
ac
>fake groups
>fake people
>fake plot using real world
halo
>fake literally everything
bf5
>real war
>real event
>based on real people
the first 3 are completely acceptable because they cannot apply to the real world as the events in the game are fake. ac is not political because thats basically saying the invasion of the body snatcher is exposing humans because humans in that movie are aliens in disguise. its not exposing anything. its taking real world and adding fantasy elements to it and the elements added had a purpose that was purely for the game. bf5 has a women for the sake of something outside of the game itself. it adds nothing. it does take away my immersion. the army would never recruit her. its immersion breaking.
You cannot find a more embossed message on totalitarianism in 1984 than in Winston's character. Bioshock has you play through an entire universe which is at times, confusing, surreal, and disjointed. Winston lives in a community of fear. Jack lives in a dilapidated, post-anarchocapitalist city ruined by its objectivist themes. The two are totally different. One argues politics from locality, the other argues with political devices.
>FUCK WHITE MEN! FUCK TRUMP!
what video games have this message
there are no prosthetic arms in BF5 and BF has not been historically accurate for years. DICE's rationale for adding women to the game was that every other major developer had been doing it for years. You're just parroting what you hear on Yea Forums and you obviously don't know shit about Battlefield
Right wing politics are fine in video games because those are masculine concepts and video games should be made by males for males. Leftist politics are feminine and encourage men to be fags and socialists, because only weak willed males vote left because they're afraid of responsibility and the expectation that one should take care of themselves rather than rely on a giant proverbial nanny to make sure nothing bad ever happens to them.
Look at any game with a large number of women working on them, they fucking suck. Same for any game with a huge amount of progressive men working on them. They suck because they're made by male vaginas that only care about being inclusive and tackling the patriarchy or some shit, instead of a good game where you kill shit to protect your nation or kill shit to rescue a princess or kill shit to defeat a supernatural entity or solve complex puzzles to kill shit to stop a nuclear apocalypse. Instead you just get gay shit like Depression Quest, or YIIK, or Undertale, or literally gay games like most anything Bioware has made in the last 10 years.
Actman is based fuck off
If V was alternate history and advertised as it no one would've cared. Instead they tried to play it off like it's not stupid ass fanfiction. They probably could've just not made a fucking woman amputee the mascot and I bet most people wouldn't have cared as much too.
but they still both express an explicit political message, you are creating an entirely arbitrary distinction. Bioshock lacks a Winston because Bioshock's protagonist is a vessel in which the player experiences and perceives the work's messages, it is the world and it's collapse which is the primary political critique in Bioshock.
You even grant all of it's message, you grant that Rapture was RUINED by it's objectivist themes, you clearly can read the text and understand what it's trying to say.
>FUCK WHITE MEN!
Battlefield 5
>FUCK TRUMP!
You could probably fill a pastebin with devs that have tweeted that.
>exposing religion as a lie by murdering religious people
why do brainlets do this? like make a story which is basically
>stand in for person I disagree with gets killed by hero
seems childish
How is that distinction arbitrary?
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Totalitarianism is the chief theme of the game. You cannot say the distinction is random or arbitrary, when the proof is staring you in the face. Bioshock's chief theme is most decidedly one about life. One about being alive and enjoying the time you have alive. The author's message on life as a precious commodity is fluent in all the characters. This paradox is presented in all the characters. For you to say, "Bioshock's overall theme is political," or "Bioshock's overall message is political," is to blatantly ignore the ending of the game, even most of the content in the game!
Wait, what the fuck is that?
>survival horror
So the actual horror wasn't enough that they had to add that gay shit on top?
>having politics be a main or supporting theme of your game is the same as openly hating a sitting president or pushing the "mental illness is totally normal!" agenda
GUYS WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT: store.steampowered.com
1984 is not chiefly about totalitarianism, 1984 is actually about many different themes; individuality, identity, psychology, how language shapes human identity and history, these are all in relation to the narrative device of the totalitarian state of ingsoc. In fact, language is probably the most important part of 1984 and it's relation to the political. In fact, I can even say 1984 isn't solely about totalitarianism at all, it's about the ethical value of freedom and language, that is the chief theme.
now you have personally placed "life" as the ultimate message of Bioshock, now you have reduced the standard on which we measure a piece of work solely on whether the overall theme is political, or it's moral, or it's x, or it's y. Potentially, this is a different debate to have, but the explicit and huge amounts of political messages and expression being made in Bioshock makes it a decidedly political game.
There's a difference between disagreeing with a stance and criticism based on the quality of a product.
Many people cannot separate the two as they feel offended by things that don't conform to their world view and wish to see it destroyed or changed to their liking.
So we just pretend all current interpretations of 1984 are wrong and your perspective on the book is correct?
That’s a dumb as fuck comeback. Firstly look up what respected critics have said, language is a huge one. Read up one George orwell and he whined about how language is twisted all the time. Secondly, if you aren’t the writer, why do you get to say what interpretations are valid or not? If you read some orwell essays he can actually come across as a bit of a bootlicker so I don’t think the whole commentary is that black and white
I already made a fairly long post explaining the sentiment behind this statement in one of the other exact same threads you made. The statement itself is inaccurate but the meaning is that people generally don't like lazy pandering without exploring the nuances present within the politics of the game. People want something more like Star Trek rather than something like Not Tonight. I don't care to repeat the same thing I said last time.
There's a difference between abstract universal political themes and contemporary drumpf tranny political soapboxing that has as much depth as a sheet of paper
It shouldn't be, but I wonder who's fault that is.
Because I'm not fighting you. You're the one telling me I'm a fucking retard for reading a fucking story like it's supposed to be. Start, middle and end.
my point was in relation to your point of shifting Bioshock from being political to being about "life", how easily you escaped from what we have uncovered and changed it to something else. we can have an infinitely complicated discussion about whether a piece of work's theme is ethical, or religious, or political, or economic even, but to do so is very unhelpful because a piece of work can be all of those things.
besides, what I explained is actually the common consensus in academia, there are many themes in 1984 and what one can actually is say is the primary message and presupposition that precedes the political message against totalitarianism is actually how freedom is valuable. Orwell is actually saying freedom is good, and we should not allow a totalitarian state or any kind of power to crush it.
People don't have a problem with politics in games. It's just a cute way of saying they don't want women or racial/ethic/sexual minorities in them. I have no idea why the extremely general word "politics" is used to describe that except that it makes a cute shield. it also makes this conversation annoying as fuck to have since leftoids will just argue that since COD and Deus Ex were political, then maybe the game's players were wrong on the politics thing. But this argument just goes nowhere since politics aren't the problem. It's women and minorities.
a game with a subtle or not-so-subtle political message is fine
a game with an in-your-face agenda is not fine.
i don't want american women in ww2 simply because it never fucking happened
i don't want transvestites in vietnam because it never fucking happened
thank you
How complicated do you think it should be when Bioshock's synopsis sits on every available website which talks about the game?
The politics in these games are set dressing and not meant to be allegorical, if you let any of these games alone shape your political opinion or are validated by them you are a lamer doo-do head
If it doesn't please me I have no reason to give it any time or attention
Any other option is for schizos
I don't give a shit nigger. Metal Gear is a game with political discourse. Period.
I'm entirely convinced this is a leftist false flagging. The complaint about politics in games is not just women and minorities. See if you unironically believe that
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yes, indeed Bioshock is not only political, but also ethical. Just like 1984
Metal Gear Solid 2 ended on the note that American politics are the substance that ruin society. The entire ending talks about why American politics are constantly revising the current to make use of the past. G.W. wanted to "create context," because society was barreling down the road to dissolution, this same context creation was already at work in society, since America tries to whitewash all kinds of issues like racism, slavery and the original American republic. The ending of the game literally takes place with a conversation between Raiden and Snake complaining about why America is so fucking weird. There cannot be a greater political entreaty than that.
>A game that isn't about political agendas shouldn't have your personal, irrelevant politics forced into it for no other reason than you want it to be there.
>"A BLUH BLUH BUH DEES ONES AM HAVES POLITICS IN DEM SEES?"
Fucking dipshit.
For fuck sake Yea Forums just say you don't want niggers in your games. Why even hide what you really think? Who is even going to judge you? We are all anonymous here. Politics are fine but I just don't want to play as a nigger. See it's that simple.
>but bigots make it political
Wow, I've never heard someone come out and admit that trannies are bigots. Good show, user. Very brave.
Don't call me a fucking retard for explaining literary theory. That's not chic.
>false flag
Why bother wasting the fucking time.
>The complaint about politics in games is not just women and minorities.
But it's the biggest complaint, and the inclusion of those characters is usually pretty fucking innocuous. At least this dude is being honest:
tweeting “fuck drumpf” isn’t the same as making a game about criticizing him. Kojima would tweet “I love cunny” and that wouldn’t mean Death Stranding is about lolis
>Gender politics are the same as governmental politics
When the fuck did this happen?
>It all boils down to politics I don't like don't belong in videogames.
It is but the problem is that literally isn't the argument that retards like OP are making. When someone says "I don't want politics in my videogames" and the shit like OP's pic is posted, they are completely missing the point of what the person said. They seem to think that the statement means they don't want any politics in their games and thus come across as hypocritical, when the reality is those people are completely misinterpreting what they're saying is "I don't want leftist progressivism in my games". This video sums it up pretty well from a neutral perspective
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I implied someone is a retard if they somehow missed Bioshock's political message, you even granted the message and you agreed that is indeed about the failure of Objectivism and ancap society. but you've just kicked the actual message up to an ethical statement about life which in reality is a presupposition for all political statements, since politics and ethics are so interwoven it's an utterly meaningless statement.
>For real, you faggots are scared of videogames questioning your political believes?
There is a difference between that and just being lectured to and told you're a bad person. That generally doesn't make people rethink the subject, it just turns them off to the other side more.
>their agenda
That working in such an office breaks you down and will make you indifferent to the suffering of others over time?
>COD campaigns
surely you jest
It's true, you implied it. I'm not so shabby with English, so I can reasonably infer using pragmatics, that person was probably me.
Realest post ever made here. It's fine if the nig is cool tho, just like I wouldn't want to play as a twig with some weird hair color even if he's white.
>metal gear, deus ex, fallout, and papers please include resounding, long-reaching themes that are political in nature
>this makes it okay for me to spend the entire runtime of my game telling you exactly how to think and feel about whatever issue is currently topical
nigger
There is a difference between a game asking you to think about something and a game telling you how you should think about something.
Do you have any strong definitions of conservation or liberty at all?
Think about what you're saying. You're not making any sense.
Videogames are not my mom, I'm not playing a game to be lectured to.
>claims whites attach themselves to their past history
>acts as if trannies can attach themselves to the achievements of mostly white straight men who just wanted working rights and thus were democrats before the shift in politics was made
I wonder what people protesting to get more working rights 60 years ago would think now that their political party was hijacked by furry literal cocksuckers.
Politics as a plot device, sure. But as something forcible down your throat? fuck no.
You niggers read too much in some games.
>low quality means it's not political
Most political messaging is of the lowest quality, that's not a threshold requirement to being political messaging. The type of politics in games people complain about, however, is this low quality shit that doesn't even touch an inch deep, it just is intended to be a platform for sending messages to political groups. To not classify it as political, however, is beyond retarded.
>For fuck sake Yea Forums just say you don't want niggers in your games.
And countries
This. People aren't complaining about politics in general in games. They're talking about the bullshit politics, like sexuality or gender shit. Pandering social issues. Technically you're injecting politics into Mario and Zelda because those games have princesses
>The monarchy is politics!
Well, yeah, but you know damn well that's not what people mean by politics.
One takes a critical look at politics
the other is a lecture disguised as a story
How can you SAY that?
>Most political messaging is of the lowest quality, that's not a threshold requirement to being political messaging.
What about Tolstoy? Dostoevsky? Nietzsche? How can you say political ideals are for lowbrow entertainment?
>How can you say political ideals are for lowbrow entertainment?
ever read a christian chick track or a feminsit web comic?
Tell that to the twatter mobs who believe all media should lecture you on their set of moral values and political leanings.
You can talk brilliantly or stupidly about any subject, including politics.
People love politics in video games as long as it matches their viewpoints. Their small brain can't handle anything different. Why do you think "gamers" are bullied from all sides? Who knew that spending so much time on a stupid hobby fried your brain and made you socially inept?
true. We all know what people mean when they complain about politics. I wish they were more honest with what they actually want to talk about.
here, you drop this
;)
Reminder that they replaced a group of Norwegian mens accomplishments with a single women.
Or was it swedish
ahem
exactly
most modern games fail at it, it comes off at preacher and pretentious
For Battlefield, I think people conflated historical inaccuracy and conveniently ignored that NOTHING you do in that video game comes close to how it would play out in real life. Even in Call of Duty it's nowhere near. They say women shouldn't be there because it's inaccurate but ignore everything else because that's just "gameplay". If they wanted an accurate game they'd play ARMA. Where you spend three hours walking and get shot and die instantly from someone hiding in the trees.
Wrong!
You can't speak ignorantly of hip hop.
of course, politics is just race relations. politics has nothing to do with economic systems at all.
Those politics are interesting, they are worth discussing.
What passes as political commentary today? "Believe in this exact point of view or you're a fucking bigot" is not a way to have a conversation. It's like the climate change shit, even if you fully believe in it, you try to discuss how to deal with it, pressuring countries like China, embracing nuclear, tackle the energy sector first instead of the automobile and agricultural ones.
NO, you ideas are bad! I don't have a clear solution myself but you're WRONG, I'm just gonna whinge and complain about it and use it as a vehicle for shit that doesn't matter as much like social justice.
Fuck that noise, I hate discussing politics today, it;s so fucking fruitless.
>so you never talked with your friends about how fucking hot a specific woman is?
Not him, but no. Do people seriously do that? I thought it was just a TV/film cliche.
Race and the figure of race is inherently political. That's political theory 101. Economics aren't inherently political because there's an entire branch of study dedicated to its science.
Twitter spats that last a few days do not control the world, user. You're just over exposed to them because people can't stop scrounging twitter to find stupid posts
>Tell that to the twatter mobs
I stopped using twitter, FB, all that shit years ago. Best decision for my mental health I ever made.
>is the term "political correctness" inherently flawed then and should not be used?
Do you know what PC actually means?
look at any standard definition of "politics", retard.
Fuck off bait posters and people that actually think like this.
This isnt the same as donald trump jokes you fucktard. Stop coopting my games with your forced stagnant non nuanced politics
That's just what the creators want to do. If they want to include modern day issues, they will do it. Games can act like film or books in that way
You're in the thread on Yea Forums about Spongebob's adhoc political cartoon becoming visibly and vocally upset about a fucking faggot who has noting to do with you, and in this appeasement of your entertainment you find it fucking witty to call him a retard.
Think before you speak, THINK.
>"the people are being discriminated against should tolerate our intolerance!"
so you admit that you and your fellow bigots (ie right wingers) are knowingly and intentionally injecting politics into gaming?
Reading this thread is giving me an aneurism. This shit turned into something i read in twitter and i hate it
what was that one game that racist guy made where you literally just shoot minorities
:^)
>vague and milquetoast takes like WAR BAD, oh no my privacy!, and ooooh religious zealotry!
Vs.
>current very specific issues which add absolutely nothing to the game.
When COD makes a campaign about the Israeli-Palestine conflict then we can talk about politics, but for now all these examples retards bring up are reaching at best.
Modern Warfare?
Revisionist history, OP. Since 2010, game journalists were/are in support of BANNING certain political narratives, which is what Yea Forums is usually against. That doesn't mean Yea Forums is required to actively buy games when they have politics in them.
Based tell me the name
I play games to experience shit regardless of the political agenda being pushed by creators. I'm not some special snowflake asstard who pretends games didn't have sociopolitical themes infused in them for decades.
As long as the gameplay is solid and the music is good I have little to complain about.
...
Based
Metal Gear is the only good politics in games, because its about actual politics and not "politics" which is what zoomers think is politics but it's not actual politics its the white devil saying nigga and that some people dont like "LGBTQ" people.
Even a lot of the ones which you could consider “political” like ones about the various U.S. wars or ones about patriotism versus the commies aren’t really political in the sense that they actually try to shove their opinions down your throat or even really talk about the events in a substantive way. It’s usually just a backdrop to mindlessly kill because the game devs understand that this is a game not a lecture with a passing comment on WAR BAD.
When will cripplechan go back online so all you hypocritical gobergoys finally leave my board.
This. If the game is telling you what is the correct option, it's just propoganda.
baaaaased
This is true as is for many of the current "politically trending issues" being pushed around. The reason why the mass media tries to pass it off as such is because it then elevates the topic to a level where it can be codified and enforced by official law, gay marriage is an example.
They do it to turn a section of people into a voting block based on identity politics
>blacks are democrates
>gays are democrates
and if they aren't, they get told they aren't really gay or they lose their black card
That feelio when you don't care about actual discussion and just want to shit on people making accurate arguments about needless politics in vidya.
who's the girl?
I too would like to know!
I've got the perfect solution: stop putting stories in games period. Cinematics and cutscenes are just a blight anyway, and any competent programmer can lead the player to their next destination without them.
>optional story
it worked for Zelda and Doom
holy based, damn. never seen a BTFOing so efficient in a while.
He forgot to mention the biggie. "I have no interest in being preached at by someone I completely disagree with on a given topic." Seriously, so many modern games that touch on political topics do so in a stupidly hamfisted way and put forward a given position as being the One True and Correct Point of View and you are literally HitlerStalin if you dare disagree.
Hello John Carmack
"fuck white men" is politically acceptable because whiteness itself is bigoted. it's an arbitrary category based on the absence of other races. for instance, if you're "white" and "black", you're just black. all races trump being "white" so people who take pride in this identity are only proud that they aren't another race. it's inherently a racist identifier.
if people want to get rid of whiteness and just go by what your true identity is (nationality, country or origin) then everything would be fine.
I would say most of those games are based off political theory and nation to world levels of politics rather than based off of individual politics. Fallout for example is a mirror to American patriotism and the fact human societies may change but there will always be constants (War for example). I don't see how something like Battlefield V putting in disabled women soldiers into WW2 says something about the period of time, it is putting something into a place where it doesn't belong.
While you may be right ACfag, sometimes a story can enhance what you are doing by giving it a bit of a purpose. As optional story may be the way to go for games, where it's there for people who seek it but for those who want to play 24/7, it's out of the way enough that they can ignore it.
I still consider the statement correct. Sometimes a good story in porn can enhance the sex (I know certain hentai that have done this to me), but most people don't actively seek it out for the story. You need your main attraction (Gameplay/sex) to be refined before you should even touch story.
>white people are the absence of other races
the fuck kind of logic is this
Name a white person who has a parent of another race.
That's just getting into genetics at this point and that in of itself is not an arbitrary category.
Why?
Do you even know what race is?
It's a biological thing, you can't have a human that isn't a part of some kind of race
pretty sure this is bait though
Race (the way you understand it) isn't biological. A white person from Italy isn't that similar to a white person from Ireland. Same with Russia and Canada. The category is arbitrary. It always has been throughout history and will continue to be in the future.
of all the MGS games you could use, you pick the PS1 version?
it was super tame compared to literally everything before and after
>race isn't biological
We live in a day and age when the left have less of a grasp on science than christian fundamentalists, the fuck
How the fuck is skin colour not biological? Also, a black person from Africa isn't that similar to an aboriginal from Australia, yet they are both "black".
Also ignoring that, race is still is biological. A slav who was born with mostly slavic genes is a slav.
You're fucking stupid. Race is a social category based on skin colour. The "biology" is scientifically spurious. I'm sorry that you're relying on your """"""""'common sense""""""""" to understand this issue instead of actual research and facts. Fucking look it up.
en.wikipedia.org
There's nothing about biological race the way YOU understand it (as in, black, white, asian).
>A race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society.[1] The term was first used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations. By the 17th century the term began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits. Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society. While partially based on physical similarities within groups, race is not an inherent physical or biological quality.[1][2]
>wikipedia
user, when you get to collage you'll learn that wikipedia is not a credible source of information
see
I'm sorry the science upsets you.
Ignoring the links, huh? Alrighty, I'll do the hard work and click them for you. Don't worry, buddy.
britannica.com
>Race, the idea that the human species is divided into distinct groups on the basis of inherited physical and behavioral differences. Genetic studies in the late 20th century refuted the existence of biogenetically distinct races, and scholars now argue that “races” are cultural interventions reflecting specific attitudes and beliefs that were imposed on different populations in the wake of western European conquests beginning in the 15th century.
Why do black people have a higher chance to get sickle cell than any other race
Why do blacks have a higher chance to get diabetes than other races
Why are native americans more effected by alcohol than any other race
it's almost like there are biological differences between them
>and scholars now argue that “races” are cultural interventions reflecting
sjw screaming at scientists
please learn how to read
Does it worry you that every single educated biologist and anthropologist disagrees with you, a shitposting 18-24 year old mediocre white guy? It should.
we all know "politics in video games" just means "women and non-whites in my games"
>every single educated
nigga wikipedia and "scholars argue" is not enough to discredit a biological reality
what's next you're going to tell us that sex isn't real
Look, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you about this, I'm trying to get the understanding for this.
I learned throughout schooling that genetics determines the amount of melanin and other factors that contribute to the colouration of skin as well as formation of skeletal and muscle structure which can change how a person looks. Plus the fact if we all did start in Africa and move outwards, would that not suggest through evolution we created different breeds of humans to live in different environments (Like any animal species that has high biodiversity)? Is this not correct? There aren't strands of DNA that determine these factors? That most of the time when you mix genes you will most of the time get a person who takes the dominant genes?
Because I also learned that a majority of genes associated with an anglo are recessive meaning many mixed "races" have the dominant genes take hold over the "anglo" ones.
Correction:
Games shouldn't have FORCED politics
Forced politics mean:
>devs trying to convert the player in to their ideology through shitty "us good, them bad" storytelling
>devs push mentally ill agenda that puts fags and trannies on a pedestal
>devs INTENTIONALLY kill their creativity and screw up their character designs through making unsexy women, giving characters retarded pronouns and even going as far as punishing players for not following their arbitrary thought-police laws.
>devs INTENTIONALLY kill their creativity in an attempt to not offend anyone
>devs are virtuesignaling
You're correct in a sense. There are technically biological races, but they are not simply categorized. Scientists theorize there's hundreds of races in existence. It's the reason why DNA testing isn't just "white" or "black", it usually has specific locations. You also have to realize that the more people mix from different regions, the more variations are being created. The classic idea of race was literally designed to create in-groups and out-groups. In Ancient Rome, "black" (swarthy) Romans and "white" (pale) Romans didn't segregate based on their skin colour. It was the competing civilizations that were seen as the barbarians.
the irony
The fact that our society not only encourages, but straight up CELEBRATES 9 year old children chopping off their genitals says enough
In 100 years, people will look back at us with disgust
The games I like don't have political bullshit
Unreservedly suggesting body mutilation as a replacement for evening out imbalanced brain chemicals is however.
The difference is none of those games deal in identity politics.
Because they're not Yea Forums. They're /pol/. The entire point is appearing "balanced" so as to infiltrate, astroturf, and brainwash.
Better have a dick
Hit the nail on the head Yea Forums. I fucking hate niggers, gays and trannies. Usually it's not a problem for the gay/tranny having games because I just completely ignore/don't play or like those but sometimes good games happen to have niggers in them and that's a real tragedy. Like GTA San Andreas and others.
Hear hear.
SUPPORT PEDOPHILIA
MUTILATE YOUR CHILDREN
IF YOU DON'T YOU ARE A BIGOT
>/pol/cuck says fuck it and just starts spamming off-topic politics shit
#wow
#whoa
You're beyond grasping at straws if you think nothing on Wikipedia is reliable in any way. There's a reason for [citation needed], the sources are readily available.
Don't you have more books to burn, leftie?
Where's the vidya, faggot?
>Halo
Nuclear war and colonialism from the perspective of one of its best soldiers making it all possible, various themes are explored from various perspectives.
>Bioshock
Exploring various forms of utopianism and why they fell apart, various themes are explored from various perspectives.
>Fallout
Exploration of Americanism and its clashing concepts in a post-nuclear world, various ideologies are put against one another and explored from various perspectives.
>Metal Gear
The dangers of nuclear weapons, as well as challenging the persistent idea that genetic similarities are important by looking at it from various perspectives from different people that carry important genetic inheritances.
>Life is Strange 2
Trump bad, racism bad, southern America racist.
Please senpai
DON'T DIE ON ME
Ok, let me explain somethings about library collections. Not gonna defend that dumbass tweet, but I want to add some context.
It id a viable option to throw awaybbook from your collection IF the information in those books are irrelevant to the users that use your library, as in the books have outdated information, for example.
2/10
Apply yourself
At least based Japan isn’t involved in poli-
>Catherine is pro-gay marriage
>Kojima is anti-Trump
>now this
It’s over bros...
Bait somewhere else retard
>Politics
>"When im wear this purple wig, i turned into a girl" tier speeches counts as a political stance
Sure, why not?
learn to reverse search
This is what irks me most about the whole social justice crowd. They are absolutely obsessed with genitals. Their entire lives seem to revolve around what their genitals look like and what excites their crotch.
They obviously know that kind "politics" is NOT what people mean when they say to keep politics out of games. What do people gain from being so intentionally obtuse and disingenuous. It doesn't make you look smart it makes you like like a fucking idiot.
theyre sexual deviants masquerading as social crusaders
The politics shouldn't just be shoved into a game which has nothing to do with its own values. This is pretty much why Borderlands 2 writing was pretty much regarded as terrible.
savage
>Why are native americans more effected by alcohol than any other race
are they?
@478999760
>Make blatantly disingenuous post
>A dozen retards reply
This is why this place has gone to shit, you faggots only care about being right and superior even if you know you're doing the equivalent of taking clickbait seriously, reaching for the absolute lowest hanging fruit for your own sake and ignoring the state of the board.
You're utterly uncapable of stopping to think for a second what the proper response should be and not being completely self-centered austists, you're no better than the feminists and trannies you hate so much.
Funnily enough, "games with politics in them" have more journalistic integrity than journalists do today. Being driven by politics in the world of the game, with characters made specifically to challenge those situations, makes for interesting plot. Making a point to say your game comes from a multi-ethnic/gendered/religious background, implicitly making remarks about current events that have no bearing on the plot or the characters other than to have people look up to a digital role model for brownie points, and putting an unrelated message about the problems of colonialism at the end of your games credits does not.
>politics back then
Critiques of one ideology taken to an extreme, or a fictional space of several different fake political ideologies seen from a neutral perspective
>Politics in games now
Analogy for right wing bad, analogy for left wing good, fuck drumpf!!!
I'd say good stories should make you think and come to your own conclusions instead of having their own message baked into it, banging it over your head. More questions than answers.
That said, I'm over sperging at every inkling of libtard ideology in media. I have to be able to enjoy shit.
This
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