Why is it that being a professional chess player is considered a mark of intelligence...

All esports ultimately fall into being just reaction time competitions. They aren't deep and strategic enough to be real battles of wit.

>Because chess players are men that wear suits and aren't fat kids wearing sports jerseys, cargo pants and flip-flops.

Kek some dipshit got chastised at the World Cup a few years ago for showing up for his game in shorts. He ended up leaving the tournament on the verge of tears and dropped out after the chief organizer Zurab Azmaiparashvili told him that he should change his attire. When he asked why, Azmaiparashvili replied: "Because you look like a gypsy!"

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No plastics everywhere.

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You should know newfag
OLD=GOOD
NEW= BAD

Snobbishness in part but you can have an idiot who is very good at games but can you have an idiot who is very good at chess?

Maybe he's a poorfag n can't afford suit?

You're looking at a single picture from a favorable angle dipshit, there's still kids who look like Fischer.

>heritage
>randomized values make the game unfair
>rubber banding
>stigma created by old media, that have lost the TV primetime to mobile phones and social media

slowbrain reactionlets love to use this cope, but your reactions aren't the reason you're losing lmao

Honestly, most video games don't require the same level of logic/strategical thinking. They are designed for entertainment. Chess can be entertaining as well, but if taken to the next level it becomes more of a discipline

Chess is a game of advanced strategy. Vidya is generally reflex-based.

Based

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Are there any popular turn based games used in tournaments?

Well to be fair the argument is that chess players are intelligent, not that they aren't spergs

is there even any competetive videogames which are not based on RNG and luck

>White player has a massive advantage over Black player
>Can literally dictate the course of the game

Because the average normie is too stupid to understand chess and thinks every videogame is bleep bloop marios or fifa

Some competitive games do require a ton more thinking than chess though

Guess why it was so easy for Machine Learning to master chess and way harder to master GO and then Starcraft.
The mathematical problem space and dimension of starcraft is infinitely higher than the problem and decision space of chess.

I'm talking about esports as a major sport. You don't see players outsmarting and outstrategizing each other. Top level play boils down to flawless execution instead of planning, which is more on par with traditional sports like javeling throwing than chess.

took me a couple seconds to realize you meant the pieces

>no planning
>no strategy

do you think the only esport is speed running?

Computational complexity =/= game complexity

If you genuinely think that fucking Starcraft is harder than chess you have legitimate brain damage.

Go to a gaming convention and tell me if you feel like you're surrounded by intellectuals.

faggot

Card games like Hearthstone, Gwent and MTG but they’re often more about “making the best out of the fact that you drew the worst cards possible”

Because chess is 1500 years old. When it was first played it was just something for rich guys to do. If there's a vidya from today that's still being played that long into the future maybe it will be taken seriously.

Nah if you think chess is a complex game you might have brain damage.

You are vastly overestimating chess because it has been romanticized by western culture so much.

I'm thinking that metagame of something like CSGO and SC2 isn't so complicated that top level players could not know the games as well as humanly possible. By that point there's little less going on than combined competition in action speed and certain kind of rock-papers-scrissors.

>The seething zoomer vs the chad chief organizer

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The real redpill is the fact birth control pills have led to estrogen in the groundwater supply and it will only get worse

Based

t. someone who can't play chess and is dead lost on move 10

because gamers are oppressed

user, you're fucking stupid

imagine going to a grocery store, buying a spoiled product and then hearing the clerk saying "oh, stop being such a crybaby, it's not like you can't eat that shit anyway, or what? are you scared of food poisoning, pussy?"

What a non-argument, i bet you can't beat a mediocre player in most videogames too, doesn't immediatly make the game complex.

Another non-argument.

Dota players are pretty well respected.
Top Dota players are invited to royal assemblies in europe.
Maybe don't play trash games with no complexity?

>Chess is a game of advanced strategy.

Lolno, it's a game of autistically memorising theory and tactics, the actual "strategy" involved is as deep as in Mario Kart.

are zoomers really unaware of chess nowadays?

what

Chess’ complexity lies in which player can think more ahead than his opponent, rethinking every possible move, I wouldn’t call that intelligence but logical thinking. But that’s the problem with vidya and chess, chess has an established set of rules that is so refined that you don’t need to change it, of course it’s not thrilling as vidya and quite boring but that’s besides the point, on the other hand vidya’s main purpose is to be fun for your average player and when one developer changes the rules to accommodate or fix the highest level of the competitive branch the whole game goes usually to shit

This. Most people can't come up with new moves, most of them are memorized formations that the players utilize while playing.

>professional video game player

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>tells off someone else for their attire
>is wearing $30 worth of a polo + jeans
>everybody else is dressed the same
Did he literally expect this kid to show up in a suit? What a fucking nigger.

Because most video game players are manchildren who have no concept of etiquette and sportsmanship, or alternatively they just don't care.
Thus they make themselves appear unintelligent, even if they are smart.

>Yea Forumsards think their stinky garbo games have more strategic depth than chess

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>Maybe he's a poorfag n can't afford suit?

He could afford plane tickets to Tbilisi and staying at a hotel though.

I remember that a professional tourney organized by life coach of gwent was supplied with polos by Prada

imagine taking a bite out of a big mac, and then it has pickles in it when you specifically told the clerk that you don't want pickles. you then ask for your money back and the guy tells you that you can't get returns on a big mac you've eaten to completion. this is the kind of shit i'm talking about bro

Based Bobby. His mother was literally a commie kike so he saw the truth first hand.

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>anime girl poster thinks chess has depth

lmao deep blue crushed your best player in the early 90's on a computer weaker than your phone.

>how to tell when someone is rated less than 1200

Because they are viewing and focusing on their hobby purely from an intellectual standpoint and stimulation.
You gaymers just like to jerk off to tits and your "waifus". And if not always, you expect it to be requirement and "fight" on pathetic "wars" like GamerGate to defend that right. Which you lost in the end anyway and the SJWs won.

Because they LOVE what they're doing, or else they wouldn't be doing it. It requires years...decades of constant practicing to perfect your craft.
You on the other hand HATE playing video games and there is not a single moment where you won't declare it. Look at the state of this board. It's a catastrofuck. This is not a video game board. It's Yea Forums 2.0.

And while games might have been closer to chess in older and simpler times, nowadays you can't help but sit back and relax your brain to a beautifully made cutscene or character for example. Games were never meant to be strictly intellectually challenging. Games were supposed to be fun. So this is your tl;dr I guess.

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Because if You have the lower body and you have no upper body, you got a problem building...wait a minute. You have the upper body, and you have no legs, you got a problem building your legs. You have the upper...you have the lower body and you don't have the upper body, the upper body, it is easier to build. So if you have the lower body and you don't have the upper body, it is easier to build the upper body. You have the upper body and you don't have the legs, you got a problem building the lower body... No, you don't understand. You have the upper body, but you don't have the lower body, you got a problem building downstairs. You got the up- legs on the bottom, it is easier to build on the top, so you don't have much as a problem. Yeah.

imagine going to a michelin-star restaurant and ordering a food that comes spoiled and after asking the manager about it he says: "what, you can't eat because its not up to your standards? well, I'm sorry, maybe you should've not dine in restaurants then if you think you're entitled to something good!"
like with the twatterland shitheads that tweet about gamers "crybabies" that don't want to play broken, bugged and fucking bad games. disgusting.

Looks like not even 187 iq could save him from being a retard. lmao

Because the vast majority of video games don't require chess-level strategies and can be played well by brainlets with fast reflexes.

user is using
>food anology
to describe how not the players but devs are entitled assholes who could never do that shit in any other industry

Chess is shit and only boomers say otherwise.

you're literally retarded. that's not the problem here. the problem here is people selling you leisure-grade products that you don't need (like restaurant food or magazines or toys or any other leisure shit) while advertising them as something good but then selling you shit that they did not advertise.

Because chess requires you to strategize and think many steps ahead while in video games you just follow a marker and shoot enemies until they die.
Don't pretend video games are on the same level.
Some genres might come close though, but definitely not vidya in general.

Have you played chess?

>chess is fun

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>how do you know its shit if you havent even tasted it?

Because you don't see professionals in any other event doing shit like this:

youtube.com/watch?v=xjqXUE8ng3Y

no need to get so butthurt goldstein.

Listen you absolute fucking retard. If you have your upper body, but your lower body has been cut off by a train, then you have erectile dysfunction downstairs.

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>and aren't fat kids

It can be, yes.
Games are more fun though. And here lies your problem and the difference: Games are for shits and giggles, chess is for an intellectual challenge.

Don't pretend that games are on the same level.

>food analogy

Very normal for any competitive activity user.

I bet you can find even more wild things in actual sports.
Just look at soccer where players regularly even get violent and have to be red-carded.

The most popular e-sport games have a high level of strategy AND reflexes

>Yea Forumsbabbie thinks his shitty videogames have more strategic depth than chess

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>Did he literally expect this kid to show up in a suit?

He expected him to not dress like a slob, which considering he's playing in the World Cup is a perfectly reasonable standard. A polo shirt and well-fitting jeans/slacks are considered the minimum for serious chess competition, and is what is usually worn by people who don't wear a suit + tie for their games.

Their is nothing wrong with telling the kid off.

Chess is all about mind games and experience. The only video game that is remotely similar to chess is quake.

>smug anime poster things chess requires brain

lmao at your life, actually kinda sad your ego is clinging to having wasted thousands of hours at such a brainlet game.

>Fischer's library contained antisemitic and racist literature such as Mein Kampf, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and The White Man's Bible and Nature's Eternal Religion by Ben Klassen, founder of the World Church of the Creator.[439][440] A notebook written by Fischer contains sentiments such as "12/13/99 It's time to start randomly killing Jews".[441] Despite his views, Fischer remained on good terms with Jewish chess players.[442]

ok so this dude obviously had no problem with jews on their own, just specific jews that presumably run hollywood and wall street and whatever. if he was so fucking smart then why did he say "it's time to start randomly killing jews" when he himself didn't even want to kill jews at random, just the ones at the top?

that's correct. they could not do it in any other industry. and it's leisure, of all things. you don't need it to survive. you don't need to go to a restaurant, you don't need to go to a lunapark you don't need to go to swimming pool or brothel. you don't need it. but when you do go, you go where it's advertised well and you have the budget for it. now, imagine spending 50 bucks on a hamburger, and its not what you ordered and the meat is raw and the pickles are not pickled. are you going to sit quiet because you don't want to "offend" anyone or are you going to be offended yourself because they sold you something you didn't order? this is just disgusting beyond anything, to even try and be apologetic for these fucking bastards.

if it doesn't require a brain, why aren't you a chess grandmaster yet?

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fuck you, asshat. your lower body had an erectile dysfunction to begin with even before being separated from your upper parts.

>things

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>that second quote from the bottom
really explains this image doesn't it

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Dota 2 is pretty much only strategy, reaction times doesnt do much for you

Yes I have. And it annoys me that all moves are basically predetermined. It's a game that feels like it has no freedom. I've even had shitters complain to me that I didn't make a move they expected because they expected a "superior" decision. It's like chessfags can't stand when you make a move they don't expect and think you're in the wrong for doing so. It gets tiresome.

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If tic-tac-toe doesnt require brain, why arent you the official world champion for it?

And yes there is an official world champion.

I don't understand those lost generation men who lose their shit about people wearing shorts. If the tournament has a dress code, that's different, but otherwise, I don't see anything wrong with the way the kid looks. He's there to play chess, if it was a fashion show, they'd both need to find a new job.

was the organizer afraid he would use gypsy magic to win the tourney or some shit?

Chess, for whatever reason, has become a metaphor for battle of wits. In some sense it's not an entirely stupid idea: if two players started out tabula rasa, it would be their intelligence alone that determines how effective strategies and tactics they can intuit (although Chess would hardly be unique in that regard), and this actually might have been the case... more than a hundred years ago, before organized competitive play became a thing. Ever since you could just be taught how to play by books and tutors: smart people learn faster (obviously), but even the best players would be standing on the shoulders of giants, memorizing and practicing theory developed by others, and how good your understanding is would be determined by how much you've studied, not by how advanced play you could develop through your own wits alone.

However, whether or not it used to make more sense in the past, that popular image is WRONG. Empirically, Chess isn't an uncharacteristically g-loaded task. That isn't to say intelligence or traits correlated with intelligence (pretty much any positive trait, but especially ones like diligence in your practice) play no role whatsoever, but it's mostly something else. For example, you could look at black teams winning US school championships (which would be pretty much unthinkable if it was all intelligence), studies like sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289606001139 or observe the way GMs play: they don't necessarily do any more conscious computing than even novices (instead, their practice allows them to intuitively know which lines are worth looking into).

> reaction time doesn't do much for you
it absolutely does.

if you have the lower body but no erectile dysfunction then you have your upper body and lower body but if your lower body is cut off but you don't have erectile dysfunction then your upper body is lower body upstairs

>thinking authorizing everything makes you somewhat better at it
if you acquired such expertise at chess, why are you implying you had the time to acquire expertise in video games and are authorized to talk or debate over its importance or lack thereof?

People smoked and drank a whole lot more than today. Causes you to age faster.

>elitist are bitching when you play outside of the expected meta

People don't really change, do they.

In the 70's/80's the demographics were pretty close, like the high school nerd in the chess club might also be interested in computer games like wizardry. People interested in computers at all were considered smart.

Today? forget it, the average "gamer" won't touch a turn-based game and every idiot has a computer.

no, moron, your upper body to begin with had its lower body with erectile dysfunction, then your lower body was upstairs but still with erectile dysfunction even though upper body was downstairs and the roles have changed.

This is wrong, getting an erection is an involuntary reaction to a stimulus

Quadriplegics can get erections

>chess meta

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It's a serious chess tournament and the expectation is that you dress like an adult. You are not at a Starcraft LAN party with your friends.

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his skill should matter not the attire

no, erection is your lower body part reacting to your uppder body part being torn away and misplaced by setting your lower body parts upstairs and upper body parts downstairs thus creating a situation where your lower body parts have an erectile dysfunction upstairs while upper body parts lie downstairs without erection.

It might get you a kill here and there but if you are outdrafted and use the wrong strategy it wont help you.

>why can't i just do whatever i want and win?
that's you in a nutshell. also is spot on. it's not that you have no freedom, it's just that not every move is a good move. all games are like this. this is what you call a "meta".

but you can open with whatever you want as long as you understand and handle the strategic implications.

That and Fischer only got profiles and 45 degree photos taken because you could sneak those in. The guy was a massive autismo who hated being photographed and celebrated big wins by bowling by himself until 5 am.

Fischer was so autistic the entire chess world assumed he was trolling the fuck out of his opponents.

>Fischer sends a letter asking that the next game in a world championship be changed to a wooden board instead of a marble board
>His opponent, Spassky, doesn't give a fuck and allows the change
>Fischer wins
>Before the next game Fischer sends another letter asking the board be changed back to marble because the tournament regulations stated that once a match had begun on a certain type of board, the entire match had to be played on that type of board
>The tournament regulators went through the tournament by-laws/rulebook and found that Fischer was right and swapped back to the marble board, somehow knowing less about their own fucking rules than Fischer

>Fischer also was agoraphobic
>Often wanted to not show up to tournaments but not look like an autismo
>Would sums of money that he assumed tournament organizers would never pay to show up to do this
>Tournament organizers would actually come up with the money then Fischer was forced to show up lest he be outted as a sperg

is this this what the future of the internet looks like? are we being overrun by bots or something?

Ive seen this argument like 5 times in this thread now and its still not meaningful

No dresscode, no reason to throw him out

>his skill should matter not the attire
I used to think this too until I started seeing how faggy everyone dresses for important events.

The problem user mentioned exists in any game.

Its usually players that are "advanced beginners", and their ego has risen faster than their actual understanding of the game.
So they get mad when they lose to "non-optimal" play, even though it was optimal play if they lost to it.
But they haven't learned that yet.
Its a classic case of dunning krueger, believing they shouldnt loose because they are superior.

An actual good player would never lose to non optimal play.

You see this a ton in fighting games too.
But the guy who looses to "dumb" play is usually just bad at adapting or the game itself.

both matter.

You say that, but this is what the dude on the right looked like near the end of his life. The guy JUST'd himself.

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But there are chess video games, why don't they make online worldwide tournaments using that, I hear the best GMs can play a hundred players simultaneously.

>his skill should matter not the attire

Again, you're not at your house hosting a LAN party with your friends. The expectation is that you're respectful to other players, the organizers, and the game itself. FIDE has dress codes for most of their events and is generally to the standard of "smart-casual" minimum.

both would matter if you could pick your own attire, if you are top of the world you should be able to wear a speedo to your grand master chess match if you want

this thread is full of seething autists, chess is difficult as fuck, you need to think about many many many scenarios and push them as far away as possible in your head, vidya doesn't have this, the hardest vidya I know is wow pvp because there are limitless possibilities as what you can do, and git gud is feasible but git really gud is really difficult there, but if you memorize all the classes' moves and develop an intuition as to what your opponent can do and what talents he may have, plus develop the reflexes for it then you can become a pvp god, but again all those things get developed with repetition, and 6 months of daily pvp will make you a god, 6 months of chess on the other hand ...

I can game in my suit if you makes you feel better

it's more disrespectful to ban someone that is one of the best in the world from playing the game because he wore wrong attire

They do, chess.com and lichess both exist. The top GM's play on these, they're fantastic. They have stupid amounts of analysis tools and puzzle rush is really addictive.

Certain events have a certain unspoken dress code
You don't show up to a wedding or a funeral in cargo shorts and sandals and you don't wear baseball caps at a restaurant.
You certainly can, nobody will probably even tell you anything, but they will think you're a disrespectful douchebag.

Plus it's not hard or expensive at all to rent a simple fucking suit. There's literally no excuse.

Ashkenazi Jews are grossly overrepresented at the top of virtually any intellectual or political field aside from overt anti-semitism (in which case they're merely adequately represented). When you point out that 20% of Nobel prizes have gone to Jews (who make up .2% of world population) one could at least try to argue it's some sort of conspiracy or bias because the committee is also very much Jewish, but what about something like half of world Chess champions or top50 rated players being Ashkenazim? Jewish presence alone means nothing because that's literally every field.

he wasn't banned nor was the best of anything. not even sure what his rank is.

The picture said world cup so I assumed he was best of some country at least

Video games drains intelligence and make you retarded. Just look at Yea Forums

I dunno what you're speaking about OP, I consider both pretty retarded.

t. retard who lacks the upper body

Why is the boomer tard wearing a polo shirt and jeans then?

yeah, because he doesn't want to spend 20 years memorizing openings and mid-game strategy. the only interesting stuff in chess matches is end game stuff.

it's ok when the organizer does it, it's his world cup

>reflex-based
What about 4x strategy games?

My friend is a chess autist, but even he is acknowledging of the game's less sexy aspects. Most of the high level games end in draws which is hardly appealing to masses.

>grossly overrepresented
nope
jewish contribution to the world even going back to ancient times is tiny
>nobel prizes
oh yeah those things they throw at people like obama

I wonder if a 4x tournament could be interesting

yeah, but the end game is the only part of a match that isn't almost entirely just memorized moves in response to your opponents memorized moves. sometimes some interesting stuff happens there.

>it's more disrespectful to ban someone that is one of the best in the world from playing the game because he wore wrong attire

He wasn't even formally punished, the chief organizer just verbally reprimanded him but he was still allowed to play. He dropped out on his own.

Also to note that the World Cup does have a dress code
>Players are requested to note the requirements of FIDE Regulations C.01 (Article 8.1) in respect of their dignified appearance at all times during the World Cup.
> The image of the chess player should be a dignified one, and dressing properly would not only show respect for the game, but also to sponsors, potential or otherwise, to make it worth their while to spend their money.
For example, some federations have barred slippers, sleeveless T-shirts and vests in their tournaments. Those with unkempt and greasy hair should be admonished, as well as those wearing old or torn jeans and battered attire generally.

Right, it's like thinking you're a great player complaining the only reason you lost a fighting game is your opponent spamming fireballs. A good player won't lose to spam

So this is the post where zoomers with their over inflated egos(as any teen) come and post dumb shit.
Fuck off,grow some balls and hair zoomies.

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Very non-marketable as esports.

probably not. meta is too complicated to balance properly to remain interesting.

>but also to sponsors, potential or otherwise, to make it worth their while to spend their money.
>think of the advertisers
understandable but I don't like it

Listening to people who don't know how to play chess talk about what chess is and how it is played is like listening to a hobo talk about being a billionaire.
Fucking cringe worthy

fair enough imo

i can see wearing a hoodie because hoodies are comfy but shorts are just pushing it lol

They will keep being that way in other aspects of their life until one day reality knocks their world down

you really showed them

>There is nothing wrong with stopping a contestant from participating due to reasons that have nothing to do with the competition

Unless it is in the rules, a contestant can show up in fucking speedos if he wants to. If the competitions rules and the law of the land is not broken, there's no grounds for banning entry.

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It's in the rules, read this post

because csgo and mobas dont take any intelligence. If anything Starcraft 1 and 2 are the only actual hard games.

See

There is nothing to discuss, their posts are formed from pure ignorance. In order to 'show' them I would have to explain the game from step one, which is something that cannot be done on Yea Forums kek

TLDR: I dont have an argument, but still want to feel superior.

My laptop can't beat the world champion of any videogame so yeah I guess they do.

Starcraft is the only game I'd consider to maybe be tougher than chess, but it's a hard comparison because unlike chess Starcraft players have incomplete information and a lot of the strategy is built around not knowing exactly what your opponent is doing. I'd be interested to see what would happen to the meta if both players got total map vision.

I just looked up those regulations, and the section in question clearly states that "FIDE may provide a dress code for the
event and players and officials will comply with the dress code"

I do not know if they did provide a dress code for that particular event, but it seems unlikely as the player probably wouldn't have shown up like he did if there was an officially enforced dress code. If there was one and he showed up like that, then he was in the wrong and there is no problem.

>I've even had shitters complain to me that I didn't make a move they expected because they expected a "superior" decision.
That's so fucking funny because I can really see people saying that.

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i know how to play, though. i'm not good at it of course, because i don't feel like spending tons of time reading and memorizing openings and responses.

Perception. Chess is the thinking man's game. Video Games are toys for children. You don't think while playing video games. You stare at the screen vacantly and mash buttons.

What is there to argue, their entire argument is predicated on a blatant falsehood that anyone with a half a brain can see you fucking moron.
Memorization in chess is a lot like memorization in mathematics. You can memorize the quadratic formula or you actually learn how to derive it. Memorizing positions is great until there is a deviation then youe lack of positional understanding will make you look like a fool

Because most professional gamers are literal immature autists who masturbate 3x per day on average, drink 4 redbulls and talk about gay sex.

That just proves that humans are brainlets.

That's a semi passable outfit besides he isn't the main attraction, players are.

>Because you look like a gypsy!"
Why do people hate Romanians?

You can get to a 2000 Elo rating (expert) in chess with almost no theory.Book openings are a lot more important in high level chess, but 80-90% of games sub-2000 leave the books before move 10, and if you play bizarre openings/sidelines you're often out of book before move 5.

Book knowledge is totally overblown for 95% of chess players and the games are decided by players coming up with their own moves in the middle game/late opening. Furthermore "book autism" can be refuted by either player simply by deliberately playing a move outside the book.

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>What is there to argue, their entire argument is predicated on a blatant falsehood that anyone with a half a brain can see you fucking moron.

So you really dont have an argument.
I can claim the exact opposite and say what you say is blatalant falsehood and that you are a retard.

According to your superior logic that makes me right.

Based.

Yeah but why cant the same computer solve "less" complex videogames and defeat their world champions?

Protip, its because chess isn't complex.

What's your best puzzle rush score, Yea Forums?

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CSGO is all about map memorization
People who are good at CSGO are good because they memorized the maps
I would also be good at CSGO but I don't want to spend 2000 hours memorizing the maps

Do you see how retarded this is?

Fischer was actively trying to be "the most charming man in the world" or something like that
Which is ironic because he was a total recluse and would probably fit in pretty well here

>play multiplayer chess online
>open up another window with a chess game vs an AI set to the hardest difficulty
>mirror the moves it makes

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Rac8 is the move. Rec8 Bb4 Rxc7 Bxe7 is nothing for black.

17. I'm not very good.

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It's usually not hard to tell when you're playing against a computer. I've gotten rating points refunded multiple times from players busted for using Stockfish.

>Protip, its because chess isn't complex.
>not complex
You're silly. It's far too complex for humans to play well.

>I'd be just as good as those pros if I played as much

youtu.be/n7VAhzPcZ-s?t=205

>missing the point this hard
lmao as expected

Ganbatte, fren. I've improved my score by 5 points with practice. My goal is to get to 35.

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this. you can memorize an opening all you want, but especially in lower ranks your opponent will deviate from your memorized line pretty early, if not immediately. and then it will be a completely different game.

>You can get to a 2000 Elo rating (expert) in chess with almost no theory
not sure about this though.

>Why yes I'm a chess player, how could you tell?

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because you're sitting in front of a chessboard

You are completely right. The problem of playing SCII is insanely more complex than chess. SCII has partial observability in its states, insane branching factor at each state, real time decision making. The list goes on. It is a completely different beast.

Because one is an intelligent person and the other is a fat, incel neckbeard.

because chess is a simplistic game of pure strategy. and also because the board is smaller than say, go.

protip: computers are better than you in terms of strategy. the fact that they can't beat you as hard as they can in chess is more telling than the opposite.

>not sure about this though.

You just have to play weird openings every time. You might argue it puts you at a disadvantage, but strong players can work their way up and simply outplay their opponents through superior tactical and positional understanding.

Reminder

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Chess is predominantly tactical and strategy doesn't really even enter the equation until reasonably high level of play (you can only evaluate several ideas each second, and paying any mind to strategic concepts like pawn structure is a fool's errand if at the same time you miss a hanging piece).

>protip: computers are better than you in terms of strategy.
Now, Stockfish would probably beat me with only its evaluation function and no calculation (that would be tactics), but then again, I'm weak club player level at best. NN-based engines are strategically superhuman too, but traditional αβ-engines are not, they're just so absurdly good at calculating tactics that it doesn't matter.

Do kids even play chess anymore?

I can't imagine them being interested with everything else available these days.

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I play it with my cousin. He and I used to watch YouTube videos on it to git gud.

Chess has a regal history to it, kings use to play it as part of their upbringing and people have competed in it for centuries.
Video games have a history of being toys for children.

>4x tournament
>Audience dies of boredom

That's a nice 20-piece nugget suit.

I'd like to see kings play a quake tournament.

Reaction speed does not equal intelligence.

Me
Used to have chess for our PE class back in highschool and I was paired up against the stoner kid.
Never liked chess so he beat me. Guy liked chess alot too. Challenged the rest of the class to a game.
I went on to have a job working with IBM and he went on to being dead at a bad drug deal

>NN-based engines are strategically superhuman
Have the best ones reached a 3k elo rating?

so you became a slave while he lived his life. hmmm...

I dunno bro, being upper management, never having to suck up to anybody, ordering around a bunch of confused millenials around and playing vidya all day long in my office doesn't really sound so bad compared to being six feet under.

They still do, just give them a board and anyone above 12 will instantly get hooked

Um unless you're C-suite you have to suck up to people sweetie.

Stop larping.

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My opinion of Yea Forums has been lowered significantly after this thread. I didn't think there were this many retards who genuinely think esports are on the same level or above that of chess. How embarrassing.

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>Do kids even play chess anymore?

It's more popular in poor countries. Burger children less so.

because "professional" video games copy sports more than they copy games like chess. That's why people call them esports.

How do they copy sports?

It really comes down to this. Chess has 1000 years off built up strategies and prestige. Video games can't go even a full year without devs shaking things up and pandering to the whales. But make no mistake if for whatever reason society's top hats would take an keen interest in a certain video game and refine the strategies and tactics for a millennium it would blow out chess like it's nothing.

There's no one single ELO rating. There's FIDE ratings, there's Chess.com ratings, there's Lichess ratings, there's CCRL 40/40 Rating, there's Computer Chess Championship ratings, etc. I could start a new rating system where each player starts at 0 rating and play games against Leelafish: it'd win every single game with ever decreasing point gains until it'd gain no more rating, ending up with 1000 something ELO.

Since humans are no longer competitive, you can't really keep a rating list that features both humans and top engines, and straight comparison of various rating systems doesn't mean anything. However, hypothetically, the predicted score of 3000 FIDE-rated player against Magnus Carlsen would be 0.668. In actuality, Carlsen would need at least pawn odds to really hope to even draw. The predicted score of a 4000 FIDE-rated player would be 0.999958228: in that case Carlsen could surely squeeze more than one draw in 10k games against Stockfish (even lesser GMs have drawn Lc0 because it eagerly jumps for a chance at drawn position when playing Black, having practiced against itself). In actuality top engines would probably end up with something like 3500-3600 FIDE rating if you somehow got super-GMs to play the hundreds of games required to establish that rating.

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This also kinda sounds like he is a bad teacher and can't really express WHY a move or tactic is bad.

It's literally only prestigious because it's old.
99.99999% of Yea Forums would never get to the level of Starcraft or Melee people can get with since the meta has lasted long enough pure instinct and craftiness starts to create gaps.

He kind of looks like Zizek

*sniff*

>now, lower rate players, which is all of you
what a dick, kek

Same reason no one considers Jordan or Fedderer geniuses. Competitive gaming is a reflex sport or more akin to physical activity than chess. Have you watched high level chess? Twenty fucking minites can pass in silence simply studying the board. It's far more grueling than competitive gaming.

Good. Gatekeeping serves a necessary purpose in disallowing degeneracy to ruin every fucking thing.

Even fortnite is harder than chess. It's a shit boomer game that's overglorified and can be played by any monky.

I call bullshit, this is not a funeral or a wedding, look at the other guy's outfit. I agree that it's his skills that should matter, and he didn't dress in a provoking manner at all. If you want to throw someone out for wearing shorts, then prescribe a dress code before the event.

>literally enslaved to drugs
Huh

Fucking this.

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>tfw awful at chess

I'm really bad at imaging where the pieces should be in the future, I don't know how people do it. I guess just practice.

but he didn't say that, he wrote it in a notebook

Really interesting stuff, mate. Thanks for the info.

Is there a hentai chess game I wonder. I want to COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM if I use my mind, I don't wanna get tired and get no reward. That's why chess annoys me, it's so boring and colorless no anime girls and no cooooooooooooooOOOOOOming

Because chess is math and has no randomness to it or is based purely on chimp reflexes.

Always thought this was a joke until I read up about this.
Turn out only second to ethic cleansing, Jews really did a lot of fuck up social experiment. Forced a boy to raise up as girl due to accidentally cut too deep when clipping.
Split twin up and gave them do different family while keeping a tap on them.

you're half right, when it comes to openings you can get to 2k with lets say little knowledge about opneings. (You will pick it up while playing though).
but you cannot go to 2k with little/no mid/endgame theory. Granted you don't need that much since its mostly about variations, but just learning while playing will take a huge amount of time.
>t. 2k elo player who refuses to proper learn openings

birth control pills normally use anti-androgens and not estrogens but otherwise you are correct, water treatment plants apparently cant filter them out.

Chess is literally a game where logic combines to memory to defeat opponents.

The very great fjnals of Chess are just like that: 2 men thinking deeper and deeper to each other for 1 hour each just to determine which one have more endurance and huge bookset of moves

It has history and gives a sense of professionalism. Look at the respect Kasparov gave his opponents vs Sonicfox gloating about how gay he is while wearing a fursuit.

Gaming will only be taken seriously when its players dress and act accordingly.

There are 17 year olds today that were suits too that look like him user.
There were immature looking people in their 30s back then too.

>worlds best chess players lose to AI
>everyone can beat video game AI

Checkmate

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Heh. Always played for fun, and used the King Pawn Opening, with Knights just after.
When I was a kid, I used to be extremely cautious and defensive, but the older I grown, the more aggressive and reckless I became, and it's much more fun, really.
Most of the time, you lose against a good defensive player, but overwhelming them is so satisfying when it works.
It helps to not be a sore loser though. It's just a chess game, people. Relax.

You're right, and so far no valid counter arguments have been made.

This.

Its a widely accepted fact that Quake players are above chess players. Even grandmaster chess player Magnus Opus admitted it.

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Because chess is a thousand years old game
Video game only existed for 40-50 years

I like watching some competitive civ5 at times, but the 1v1 format is dull and not as deep strategically as rts games, the rts games have a more evolved meta with more fine tuning that can be made to the strategies thanks to it being real time instead of following rigid turns.

Video games require no thought or intelligence.

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>chess
>can only use a few specific strategies and people can know your entire game plan from your first move
>video games
>completely random, you can use many strategies and improvise on the fly keeping the enemy forever guessing
chess is for niggers, if arena shooters were a thing back then you bet your ass it would be the mark of intelligence

What the fuck are you talking about? He looks like a lanklet in a suit.

Because most 'pro' gamers play Starcraft or FPS, those games don't require intelligence, that isn't to say all games are for the mentally deficient, compare a group of slavic HoMM3 pros to Starcraft pros and you will see there is a huge iq difference.

Because only genius can play chess. Video game on the other side, you can be a literal retard and be good because VG are easy as fuck. It's normal, the goal is to sell the game and if the average player can't play your game, it's a problem.

The problem with board games other than Go is that they're simple enough that they eventually got ground out to 95+% memorization. The problem with Go is nobody that isn't autistic actually loves to play board games outside of casual sessions with bros once a week.

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Theoretical physics are easy cause all you have to do.is memorize formulas lol

Same, but i appreciate the game very much. Back in college we used to play chess during a long lunch break in the common room. It was very fun and exciting.

>compare a group of slavic HoMM3 pros to Starcraft pros and you will see there is a huge iq difference.

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Because professional chess players have to memorize, like, a whole lot of openings.

Mana collection simulators, it's not even reflex-based.

If it's so easy why isn't anyone on Yea Forums a professional chess player?

Because chess requires intellect. Its one of the most mentally tasking things you can do. You literally burn as many calories thinking during a chess game as walking.

t. fatty

You are actually retarded. How can you genuinely look up to Melee players? What a disgrace.

Below the 2400 level, you don't need any knowledge beyond some basic chess principles if you're smart. You can get beat anyone by visualizing and calculating well. The game's mostly about being able to see the board, pieces and positions clearly in your head.

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Magnus Carlsen is based because he purposely does bad moves to fuck with his opponents and force them to play in a way they haven't just memorized. If that nerd from the last world championship had beaten I would've been so annoyed.

>oy vey think of the advertisers

Chess has being a thing for centuries user. Maybe in 2319 we will talk about Get_Right and Kola like the great minds of the XX century. In the meantime, enjoy being able to watch the highest IQ chess taking place right now and stop bitching about it.

People tried to look older back then. Most people do the opposite now.

Thats like saying you are a film critic for watching and reviewing anime

Kino photo

Yes, Stockfish is up by 3 games with only 29 games remaining. Looks like it will retain its CCC title.

The organizer is standing like a virgin though while the shorts chad is doing an alpha stride.

If you want to git gud in chess you need to know math and general population put on pedestal everything related to math, except gambling and HS math teachers for obvious reasons.

>Top level play boils down to flawless execution instead of planning
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Chess requires no mechanical, moment to moment skill. It can be entirely played by somebody with voice activated input and still be equally difficult as somebody will functioning arms. There is no game that fits this description. The locations of difficulty are different.

Do chess players pop off when they win or rage when they lose? Cause I have people doing tm that to me even irl and I can see why people hate gamers.

Imagine if the makers of chess nerfed chess pieces in order to attain mass appeal. Imagine if they made it more like Monopoly and tacked on modern Uno card mechanics in order to modernize it. I'm completely talking out of my ass here, but you know I'm right.

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Well, depends on the player of course. Kasparov for example is known as a sore loser.

>or rage when they lose?
Yes, I saw Magnus curse and clench his fast and shake it as if was about to bang his desk, maybe he even banged the desk I'm not sure, it was a while.
It was when he was playing an AI on a phone app, that was based on himself at different ages. He made a mistake that left himself open iirc, it was against 12 year old AI magnus carlsen or something.

Well if they introduced new pieces to chess every other month, of course it'd be prone to some adjustments, but since chess was made pretty fucking balanced, it's not necessary.

>knowing how to react to any given situation practically on instinct isn't a mark of skill or strategy

you're a moronic troll and I don't think this is the first time you've posted this garbage

But user, you're applying logic. This is Yea Forums.

Magnus is autistic, though. Besides, if I made a mistake that would make lose against a twelve year version of myself, I'd be pretty fucking pissed too.

Because the only 30 year olds you see are cherry picked soibois on Yea Forums.

Ah shit, I forgot. Nerf the queen, she's OP as balls. And the king should be buffed like the useless piece of shit he is.

>romanticized in the middle east when they were still super srs bsns
>romanticized in the west
So 50% of relevant human history?

youtube.com/watch?v=0RHLtx9r2LA
>oh and what a surprise the only female character, the queen, is a fucking mary sue, the most overpowered unit in the whole game
>"you can move in any direction, any distance, whatever you want!"

>tfw never won a single chess game in my life

Hahaha holy fuck

he looks exactly like a 17 year old looks today, the fuck are you on about

He likes trolling kids, which is why his beginners lectures are so fun.

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Because it's complex mechanics in a minimalistic/aesthetically pleasing form, so it's actually fascinating to watch and analyse
Vidya is complex visually speaking, so it's a barrier of entry ; there's also the stigma that gamers are manchildren

im a psych doctoral candidate, and just chiming in to mention that reaction speed(umbrella term for various cognitive processes) is correlated with IQ.

No wonder everyone hates boomers, lol

>>oy vey think of the advertisers

How do you think they pay for the big conference centers they rent and all the cash prizes for winning players? Even if they didn't need sponsors, they should still have a dress code for chess tournaments. I don't want to play with disheveled slobs in cargo shorts.

This would mean that soldiers have the highest possible IQ, given that their training is all about reflexes
Not insulting anyone in the military (I'm actually fascinated by them), but I doubt what you're saying.

Yeah no shit sherlock why do you think dumb people are called "slow"?

I think intelligence is a circle rather than a straight line. The more intelligent you get the more you approach retardedness again

I guess all these guys doing an actual research in labs are stupid as fuck.

effay JUST though

>No wonder everyone hates boomers
By telling people they need to dress like an adult?

>tfw once I struggled to defeat some kid that was 10 years younger than me

do you understand what a correlation is?

by being a seething little bitch about clothes while dressed like a dumpster diver on vacation
good on the lad for walking out, he didn't put up with blatant disrespect, absolute chad

Can confirm, ol pop einstein was known for his sick no scopes and reflexes at quake 3 back in the 50.

who is smarter. the ai that can process and make a decision in 5 seconds, or you the biological brainlet that has to ruminate on something for 30+ minutes. Most reaction time contexts in videogames are of this nature

Video games players can literally only do what the game tells the to do at every second. This due to the nature of computer programs. Theres no thought involved or nuance. Its just who can pull the level on the skinner box better.

there's a lot of shit water filter plants can't filters

I'm a programmer and make more than any boomer I know. I wear shorts and tshirts to work.

IQ doesnt just measure what we consider classical intellligence

Highly intelligent man
Everybody acknowledges this
>bring up jews
OMG HE IS A RETARD, DONT LISTEN TO HIM, SHUT IT DOWN
It's amazing how his point isn't even considered, given his intelligence youd thing plebians would at least entertain the though.
But nope, it gets filtered out instantly as crazy talk.

Not really
In a card-game like Artifact, there's a reasonable degree of thought to keep all the moves possible

So why aren't chess players thought of the same way? They do exactly the same thing, except that their game is much simpler than the average video game and they have much more time to react.

shut the fuck up, short shorts are comfy

Seeing as that intelligence is a decent predictor for mutational load, it's positively correlated with pretty much every desirable trait, not just reaction speed.

I'm not studying medicine, but to my understanding it might be better to say that reaction speed is STRONGLY correlated with general intelligence (it's not as good a predictor of general intelligence as properly administered IQ tests are, but it's actually good enough predictor for it to be legitimately useful, unlike some other intelligence-correlated trait like facial symmetry or whatever), or that there appears to be a shared underlying cause (neurons working fast?).

This, swag is for boys but class is for men

And look how artifact is thriving. Brilliant.

Correct. Fame is a matter of appearances only.

no, it just goes to show that even intelligent men can fall to brainwashing and propaganda.

IsraelPog

>Thats right goys, all the smart people are ust brainwashed and crazy, but not you, oh no you are far too smart to fall for any tricks and you know for a fact that jews are your greatest ally!

>haha I'm a programmer I can dress like a 12 year old to work
not if you ever wanna make management you can't

>no, it just goes to show that even intelligent men can fall to brainwashing and propaganda.
I'm pretty sure the brainwashing is going in the other direction.

Why would I want to be a manger? Huge extra pressure and responsibility for only a small bit more money

>all media and all institutions disagree with him
How did he get brainwashed exactly?

bobby was good at chess, but that doesnt mean his belief in a jewish grand conspiracy is fact.

>make management
Such a fucking boomer mindset holy fuck.

kike

Jews think in terms of grand conspiracies, ironically enough.

Everything he's saying is clearly true. You'd have to be very low iq and very indoctrinated to think otherwise.

Ya wouldnt dota captains be considered smarter than chess players as technically dota is more complex?

>YOU HATE JEWS SO YOU MUST SECRETLY BE JEWISH
¬_¬

Citations please

You hate an abstraction. Nothing more historically Jewish than that.

It would be interesting to see a gaming tourney with the same atmosphere.

the media isn't the only entity that can spread information. random books, a person on a soapbox, and nowadays even reaction images can plant ideas into your head.

no u

>all the smart people
all the smart people think you're a joke. one eccentric bobby fisher on your side doesn't change that fact.

jidf are at it again

because most video games are more about split second reflexes than deep thinking about your next move and the possible consequences
even for the games that involve that kind of stuff, there's often a significant element of randomness involved whereas with chess there's zero randomness involved apart from the initial setup of the board and players

nah its mostly a deep cultural tradition bias. playing chess doesnt make you any smarter than playing streetfighter/guilty gear its just the cultural perceptions of these two things are vastly different. Its much like how we still view smoking cigs in media as a “cool thing” but most cig smokers irl are just average people and not marlon brando or some shit. Just like how mosf chess players are average people just like average competitive videogame players.

Oh please, give me a fucking break. A champion chess player is a demigod compared to some guilty gear tournament winner in terms of skill.

Depends on what type of skill you're talking about. A champion chess player couldn't beat said GG tournament winner at GG, for example, so obviously there's different kinds of skills involved.

Human cognition runs on bugged hardware, with its possible failure modes being well-documented.

If a smart person thinks x, that will increase my belief in x (for that matter, a village idiot believing in x would also increase that belief, although not nearly as much). However, given that it's well-known that incredibly smart individuals can believe in incredibly stupid things because their reasoning algorithms are FUCKED, that observation alone should not shift your beliefs too much. Incredibly smart people can believe in incredibly stupid things. Newton is a realistic contender for the smartest human being (out of those that have been brought to our attention, that hunter-gatherer 20k years ago never really had a chance) but his belief in things like alchemy are well-known. Well, Newton at least had a sort of excuse, with modern chemistry not being invented yet. But you could also look at someone like Feynman. I've read his lectures, he clearly UNDERSTANDS the philosophy of science, and even more obviously is a great mind. Yet, he too has said stupid things, in his field of expertise (in the following example: mathematics, philosophy of science), when he really should have known better. For example, when someone questioned the validity of priming effect findings in psychology, he dismissed that as "well, you just gotta believe in the results because that's what the science says" (I can't be bothered to find exact quote or source). Argh! Epistemology just doesn't work that way! And, as it turns out, we've gone through the replication crisis and the original doubter is vindicated. And why did Feynman say such a thing? Any number of reasons. For starters, brains are so excruciatingly slow they simply don't have time to think things through every time you're about to say something, so they use caching, and once cached, a false fact will just be uncritically recalled, because that's HOW HUMAN BRAIN WORKS.

Brainlet, indoctrination requires a steady flow of curated information and an echochamber. It doesn't work if people can access other, more truthful data. In the west, since the left controls all media, only leftists can be indoctrinated, since non-leftists get to hear what leftists have to say, whether they want to hear it or not. And pretty much all of you suffer from this.

>dota captains

I hope you mean players because it's a lot harder to be a player than a dumb ass captain. A captain just gives advice whereas a player has to think and execute simultaneously. Dota 2 is just speed chess with a million more variables. Anyone who disagrees should watch any match from The International. Things to consider at any moment in Dota
>your hero and the nine other enemy heroes
>your items, your teammates items, the enemies items, items on the courier, items in the stash
>the time, which indicates whether runes have spawned or whether its day and night
>what skills to level. what skills the enemy have levelled and what skills your allies have levelled
I'll stop there because there's too much shit to list. The point is that Dota 2 is actually a lot more complex than Chess and played at the fastest speed possible.

Want some more proof? I've seen black people excel at chess but there are no black Dota professionals. That speaks for itself.

Yeah of course he couldn't. But I have a question for you. Do you consider Call of Duty players to also be on the level of chess and fighting games, or is it just games that you like that should be thought of so highly?

>However, given that it's well-known that incredibly smart individuals can believe in incredibly stupid things because their reasoning algorithms are FUCKED
Have you ever considered that you are simply too dumb to understand them?
No? Of course not you are perfect sugar, don't let anybody else tell you otherwise, it's everybody else that is stupid, not you, you are too smart for them.

Being good at chess generalizes to real life about just as well as Guilty Gear does. Meaning that being an obsessive shut-in grinding both of these games would yield about the same benefits. The average chess kid isnt Fischer, much like how the average guilty gear kid isnt Dogura/Daru or the avg SF player isnt Daigo. Being decent at chess or GG isnt predictive of anything.

>A champion chess player is a demigod compared
You have that flipped, and you know it.
The chess player doesn't face nearly the same amount of competition and relies on memorizing the moves of AIs, with no skill beyond that.
The esporter is a master of both mental and physical skill that the chess champion has no chance at mastering, with the exception of maybe Carlsen. With 10 years of practice he could probably be carried by a good team in league, or reach the round of 16 in a foreign only broodwar tournament.

>The point is that Dota 2 is actually a lot more complex than Chess and played at the fastest speed possible.

This is so wrong it physically hurts.

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>The chess player doesn't face nearly the same amount of competition and relies on memorizing the moves of AIs, with no skill beyond that.
You know nothing of chess.

>the redditor brainlet has his programmed world view shaken

You know nothing period.

just look around you. any forum will do. the bubbles can be everywhere. you're a massive clown if you believe what you just said.

but it's obvious, because your bubble feeds itself by villifying the left.

chess has an extremely high skill ceiling

You overvalue gaming athletes so much that it's ridiculous frankly, but I understand that it's because it's a big part of your life and you don't know any better.

SonicFox is a faggot but the last thing fighting games need is more esports professionalism bullshit. Arcade culture is infinitely more entertaining than a bunch of quiet spergs in monkey suits.

>imagine

regencychess.co.uk/blog/2012/07/chess-noob-10-how-the-rules-of-chess-have-changed-over-the-centuries/

Low iq reading comprehension. In my post I put forth the idea that chess AND competitive gaming are both in the end trivial pursuits of which the merits in both fields only really matter to those who engage in these activities. Attributing positive things to Chess or Guilty Gear on the basis that a few exceptional people partake in them is fucking ridiculous. The average chess player isnt some high iq genius that you believe they are much like how top level esports players arent geniuses. Real intelligent people are out in life accomplishing things and affecting the world in some manner. Martin Shrkeli is seen on stream eating processed junk food, is the activity of eating vienna sausages now indicative of an intelligent being? What if Elon Musk came out and said he thought anime was better than literature?

Solid.

Esports has no professionalism.
From I see at CEO and EVO its not even close to being professional. And FPS or MOBAS are laughable as well.

It's ironic that they're tryhardness is actually doing them a disservice.
The shilling of merchandise
The players being walking billboards for sponsors
The artificial hype

It reeks amaterusim. Shit sports like dive grass literally only gets away with it because it has about 100+ years, but even then the fact that their players were giant corporate logos and worshiping of the players and not the plays makes it imho a pitiful spectacle.

Unfortunately video games will NEVER EVER be professional simply because the medium itself is built out of making a profit.
Theres no money to be made in Chess or Fencing.

We're not talking about the average ones, the fact that you compared the best from chess to the best from fighting games is what is completely laughable. Feel free to argue completely different things about fucking businessmen and their hobbies while defending how great fighting game players are. That guy who started crying after winning a Melee tournament sure deserves to be compared to the greats of chess.

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holy based

wearing suit GOOD!

Chess has existed for maybe thousands of years and has been a staple of Western education for hundreds of years. It has history and tradition behind it. Every father used to teach his kid chess. Napoleon loved to play chess, we even have an entire game he played. It's easy to learn, but difficult to master. Which isn't exactly true of most strategy games as they're very complicated and a pain in the ass to learn.

Esports are mental and physical games, wearing a suit would be a severe disadvantage

At least you're not bringing up Elon Musk to defend fighting games, so even this is an improvement to the previous argument.

Thank you esports friend for bumping my thread with your seething butthurt.

>aren't fat kids

ur living proof playing chess isnt a mark of intelligence

Quality, tailored suits conform to the wearer's body and provide for a very comfortable experience.

I've met plenty of mensa autists who were absolutely retarded, so I don't understand why people argue about IQ
Wait, it's the autism

>Why is it that being a professional chess player is considered a mark of intelligence, but the same isn't true for professional video game players?

Chess actually takes brain power. Most games make you mash buttons until you win.

TIL Yea Forums unironically likes chess.

I don't play chess. I'm just aware of how insignificant a Guilty Gear player is

The closest is stuff like Street Fighter 2

its mostly /pol/ larpers.

>making a career
>boomer mindset
no wonder millenials don't buy houses

>you have to dress a certain way to be smart
>this faggot probably owns 1 "suit"

>someone went back through his yearbooks and found he had never been in the chess club
It's amazing that he's willing to lie about the most pointless things.

>I know better than the genius-level IQ chess player famous for being insanely smart

Yeah I kinda figured i played more chess than you. If you DID play chess you wouldnt be posting retarded shit like this, it makes sense ur a larper tho. Prolly one of those “muh western tradition” and “dude Mozart” kids

No, millennials see how useless management is compared to the people actually making and designing things
Only the untalented go into management

Unironically BASED

>Napoleon loved to play chess, we even have an entire game he played.

I did not know this.

chessgames.com/player/napoleon_bonaparte.html

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The coping of the fake chess players replying to this is hilarious.
Clearly they've never met or even befriended very intelligent people, because everyone's retarded in areas they don't specialize in, especially smart people.

the smart go where the money is

How can such a little man be full of so many big lies

Tal gets a pass because he has an insanely offensive kamikazi style of play that resembles the way he looks. It's highly aesthetic

>most geniuses that have contributed to the world made shit money in their careers before they produced powerful results
>drooling boomer thinks they're smart and a manager, so all managers are smart
genius poster over here

Absolutely. The stereotype of "chess players are smart" is pretty hilarious to me. I know a large black guy that is great at chess, but he's an absolute dolt. Chess is like any other game, you get better at it the more you play it, and some folks are good at anticipating the moves of others after seeing so many combinations of possible moves. I used to play chess a lot with some friends in high school, and the premise of this thread is laughable to me, as I see chess as a game for kids and adolescents.

uhhh...

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I've seen this one float around for years and it's such a shame there aren't more pics of this genre in existence. Or else I haven't found them

This thread
>OLD GOOD NEW BAD

The smart go to where the fulfillment is. The empty go to where the money is.

>he doesn’t Sicilian

>I've seen this one float around for years and it's such a shame there aren't more pics of this genre in existence.

I made that image like 2 months ago.

SUITS good

Time flies when you're having fun.

Not really comparable since reaction time matters in Dota but not in chess

100% chance the suitposters have one suit that fits like ReviewBrah and wear it daily

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Except he's right. It's all in the presentation. Millennials would like to believe judging a book by its cover doesn't happen, and you're free to express yourself however you want through the way you dress. But how you present yourself determines how everyone around you thinks of you, and subconsciously, how you think of yourself.

The presentation of chess versus the presentation of video games is also as important as the presentation of its respective player bases.

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The Lindy effect says old is ACTUALLY good. Get with the program.

>not the full team
>1/10th of the hero pool
>1/3 of items banned
But yeah OpenAI is pretty neat. The real challenge is in making the AI not win by default by having impossible to beat reaction times and that's what made OpenAI unique.
Can't test any gimmick lineups and generally anything too different because again not allowed to pick 80% of the hero pool. In the chess analogy would be a chess AI that wins all it's games provided there are no Rooks or Knights in play. It will reach it eventually but its far from there yet

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_Opening

why are autists so unironically drawn to suits and or fedoras

Suits outside of formal and business settings are the definition of tryhard. On that note, I find it comical that western-hating bastards still don our suits.

They got the comment "wow he's so mature for his age" comment when they were 5 so from then on it has been a race to prove that they are still mature, which involves emulating the "mature" aesthetic of decades ago without realizing maturity is contemporary.

All autists love fancy suits, except the ones that don't, like the ones who like flannels and onions glasses, dyed hair, and the ones who just wear sneakers and sweat suits every day, and the ones who wear sports clothing, and the ones who wear casual jeans and graphic tee shirts, etc

Retard

Fischer is truly a tragic case. Hounded for most of his life, because he refused to bend the knee to Jews and allow himself to get paraded by Israel.

They even had the audacity to try to force him to dope himself on pills to keep a leash on him.

post a pic of you in ur suit.

>video games will NEVER EVER be professional
I don't see why that's supposed to be a bad thing. A lot of the appeal for the original scenes around certain games was how raw everything was. Looking amateurish was never a concern and nobody was trying to put on a facade of professionalism, which ended up giving everything a feeling of authenticity.
>the medium itself is built out of making a profit
I can't speak for the other genres but most of the major fighting game tournaments started off as grassroots as they come, and many of the smaller ones still are. It was only after seeing the success of other "esports" that they've become infested with corporate sponsors who slap logos onto players and force people to rein in their personalities to be more advertiser-friendly, which has done nothing but alienate participants and spectators alike. It's not that these communities aren't professional enough, it's that nobody except these companies wants them to be.
Out of curiosity, what makes something professional and why do you think it's a positive?

Nice, I accept your concession

What are you trying to prove here? Some of the cleverest people on earth would eschew a suit in a casual, normal situation because it's impractical. Seriously, hoot hoot look a me am in a suit, me important.

>reeee why do people like looking nice they should get filthy dreads and tats on their face

>being old is being JUSTED
Retard.

>Tal gets a pass because he has an insanely offensive kamikazi style of play that resembles the way he looks.

This. The guy would chain smoke through major tournaments and take shots between rounds, and his games involve wild sacrifices that would often get cheering from spectators even in the middle of tournaments.

On th 1988 World Blitz Chess Championship
>Mikhail Tal, the 51-year-old former World Champion, breezed through the final rounds with 5½/6 after dropping his first quarterfinal game.
> The final was a one-sided affair, with Tal repeatedly utilizing exchange sacrifices to find winning combinations; down 3–0 after three games, Vaganian offered his hand in the 4th game to concede the match to Tal. After the match, Tal claimed he took the event "none too seriously"; he chain-smoked throughout the tournament, and his "preparation" for the semifinal match against Chernin reportedly consisted of a double scotch.

The guy even played wild and crazy in the World Championship. His approach to sacrificial play is absolutely stunning.

youtube.com/watch?v=MFFpZGOeklk

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haha u dont own a suit do u

Based respectable half-Jewish honorary White man.

All of Chess, Go, and Starcraft have a game tree that is larger than the amount of atoms in the universe, size of the complexity is not the reason why AI are good at chess (AI is also good at Go now, user). The complexity of all of them are intractable and you can not say that one is "easier" for a computer than the other given that they both extend well beyond any physical Turing machine's capabilities.

Azmaiparashvili had been criticized earlier in 2004 over arrangements for the 2004 Women's World Chess Championship when female Georgian players Lela Javakhishvili and Ana Matnadze accused him of behaving "in a hostile and intimidating manner, using inappropriate and vulgar language and bringing to tears our mothers".[8]

Azmaiparashvili was alleged to have rigged the results of the Strumica tournament of 1995 to boost his rating. The tournament, in which he played 18 rounds against significantly weaker opponents, is generally regarded as an illegitimate event.[9][10][11][12] In 2003, Sveshnikov referred to the Azmaiparashvili incident and similar case involving Alexandru Crisan as "open secrets", at a time when both purported culprits were heavily involved in FIDE politics.[13]

At the Chess World Cup 2017, where Azmaiparashvili was organizer, he berated player Anton Kovalyov for wearing shorts, racially abusing him with the slur "gypsy" and demanding that Kovalyov change ten minutes before his scheduled third round game, leading to Kovalyov withdrawing from the tournament in response.[14] Azmaiparashvili received heavy backlash from the global chess community for this incident, including a condemnation from the Association of Chess Professionals and calls from other players demanding that he be removed from his organization roles. In an interview with Chessbase India, Azmaiparashvili stood by his decision. [15]

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Chess is computationally intractable meaning that it is basically at the highest level of complexity that any game can be. You're retarded.

don't worry, we can't tell how upset you are as long you type like a shitposter ;)

This guy owns his baldness and shits down its throat.

>autists don't understand what a joke is

You should go back to school if you think intractability means anything, bachelor

it's funny that a guy who probably is unemployed + lives with his parents is talking about how great wearing a suit is while never experiencing the social contexts in which they are appropriate.

Because Siam's gonna be the witness to the ultimate test of cerebral fitness. This grips me more than would a muddy old river or reclining Buddha. Thank God I'm only watching the game, controlling it. I don't see you guys ranging the kind of mates I'm contemplating, I'd let you watch, I would invite you but the queens we use would not excite you.

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>In an interview with Chessbase India, Azmaiparashvili stood by his decision.

Based.

you made me chuckle OP

>say something retarded and incorrect
>someone else says "wow that's retarded and incorrect"
>say "lmao it was just a joke"
oldest story in the book

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>former cheater doesn't cave in to peer pressure
color me surprised

What does that have to do with anything?
He literally said "all autistist love suits except those that like other kinds of clothes" the point being that for any style of dressing you will find at least one autistic retard who also does it to be cool.

World of Warcraft demands more brainpower than chess.

You should not post when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
If you're asserting that you can solve chess you know that you're speaking bullshit for no reason, retard. Stop pretending to be smart, it's not working.

Those are just dumb memes though
The stereotype that chess players are highly sophisticated, serious, suit wearing masterminds is only really a trope in movies, and video game players being fat sweaty nerds in their basement is outdated too considering how much the market has changed and become mainstream. These stereotypes only remain because they're frequently portrayed as true in pop culture, which modern people go to to tell them what to think

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What incident caused that black eye? him berating the female players or calling gypsy the guys with shorts?

i dont care about jews, i just care about fischer and that said; the man was a gullible idiot, if you look up his views on religion he went from "i dont care about my parents jewish heritage, im not jewish and religion is for idiots" to "dude evangelicalism lmao let me donate a bunch of money to my nigga herbert" to "oh nvm the world isnt ending anyway, herbert is a satanist" and then eventually going back to atheism and saying all that stuff about jews

Competitive video games require extensive knowledge of the game, with the ability to adapt to changing metas with updates. Chess hasn’t changed for centuries with computer artificial intelligence soon being able to beat grandmasters. Esports are the future.

Saying that chess is solved because computers beat humans is no different from saying chess is solved because grandmasters beat novices.
It's a retarded argument and if you've tried to make that argument, your IQ is low.

oh, so, like, magic the gathering, which has proven to be "uncomputable" and no algorythm can even figure out if a game will ever end by looking at the board?

arxiv.org/pdf/1904.09828.pdf

Professionalism in any competition is about respect for the game, your opponent and those watching. When it becomes about the money and not about the spirit of the game that's when it becomes unprofessional.

When players collude for easy brackets, that's unprofessional.
When the players themselves begin to bring drama into the game, that's unprofessional .
Professionalism is a good thing because it keeps the game pure.

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suit good

Thread should’ve ended here.
Video game “pros” are fucking degenerates.

Theres a reason the worlds most powerful men are seen wearing them

Chess is centuries old. Video games are relatively new. That's the crux of it.

Doesn't help that gamers carry themselves like a bunch of unhygienic, idiotic morons either. And I'm not talking about the FGC getting hype either.

u think they wear suits outside of specific SOCIAL CONTEXTS? U think they wear suits when they are at home playing FF13?

If you're at the peak of any video game that requires skill, yeah, you're an incredibly skilled individual. FPS, fighting games, RTS, it makes zero difference.

There's too much live action and emphasis on reaction times, lucky moves, RNG, tiered playstyle metas and a dependence on memorization of maps in most video games to chalk it up to the player being strategically superior. It doesn't help that competitively it's dressed up more as a traditional sport with teams and jerseys than a simple game tournament.

It's funny how u can spot the ppl who don't play Chess above a beginner level or AT ALL.

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It's funny how you think you're hot shit for playing a board game.

My point was that anyone who plays Chess would realize how similiar it is to competitive videogames specifically 1v1 games. Most people arguing about how superior Chess is and how different it is are just larpers, or singleplayer games retards.

Go is much harder for a computer to figure out than chess. However computers do a great job at playing both

Okay so what I'm getting is that MOBA players and the like should wear suits got it

It's not similar at all to most competitive games. There is a layer of strategy to these games, but it is built on limited information, whereas chess is a game where both players have full knowledge of each other as they're both shown everything as it happens on the board. By extension, there is also no luck attached to any of the moves in a game of chess, nor any mobility involved as you would have in a game where you have to aim or move in a certain manner. Perhaps you can argue how they're similar?

Only if you have exactly the same in the 1v1, that means, character, map, weapons, etc, and even then, it revolves around who has better aim and reflexes, its not comparable to chess in any way

You dont play any game at a high enough level if you truly think that reflexes determine winners. Most professional video game players probably have at best 30ms better than the average person in terms of reaction speed. Videogames dont test raw reaction speed as the stimuli in videogames arent natural stimuli that elicit the response of instinctual reflexes anyway so raw reaction speed is useless. What makes pro fighting game players so much faster than you is years of experience to the same stimuli, better management of their mental stack ingame due to the increased experience which allows them to “react” to things when in reality most of it was based on prediction and heuristics. Only people who are incredibly dumb would scapegoat “muh reaction speed” for sucking in any videogame.

Being difficult for αβ-algorithms with human-made evaluation function is not the same thing as being more difficult for computers in general. AlphaZero, utilizing neural network based evaluation and Monte Carlo tree search, learned both games with similar difficulty (superhuman play within a few hours when trained on Google Cloud servers).

I love the rectumragnarok Electronic Sports cause by their mere existence, it's like Barneyfag vs the horse show. Literal lifefuel.

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What does that even mean? Chess doesn't require anything even resembling something like reaction speed, it doesn't have things like 2 different characters, and while skill doesn't revolve purely around reflexes, they are the most important part of it, positioning can be learned, strategies too, it does not matter against someone who knows what you know but has better aim and reflexes, you will lose every time, also, 30ms is still faster than the average player, and its not insignificant in any way

Yeah except that isnt true even in fps games. Oldschool Rapha was never considered the best aimer in the game yet won countless quake tournaments based purely off his calculated mental play.

if aiming and reflexes were all that mattered in quake/fpses no one would of ever beat av3k or toxjq in any set

Chess: Make calculated moves, thinking several steps ahead
Vidya: Press (x) when game tells you to.

Point conceded, but I will say that Go's search space is much larger than Chess, is what I was basically trying to say

I have no idea who that guy is, but im sure that "not the best aim" in the top level of an fps game simply means slightly worse than the best aimer in the world, which at the end is irrelevant, bases on your description, the guy won by having better positioning and intentions behinds his moves, if the guy that aims better have had the same, he would have won every time

youtube.com/watch?v=XdkDjsBiO58

Chess is fun until you get to the point where it's more about knowing premade strategies rather than coming up with them yourself.

>XD bro just learn 72849558 openings, 275951637495 mid game strats and 596060727 endgame strats, chess is totally intelligence based!!

why am i engaging with a larping zoomer? no idea who Rapha is? why arr you even talking about competitive games in any context? Do teenagers even play chess?

Isn't having a good memory a sign of intelligence?

Because you're listening too much to your boomer parents. Only fucking loser nerds play chess now.

This. It's all perception and appearances. That's all anyone ever cares about. We are extremely shallow people.

Memorization has more to do with recall than good memory. It's slight, not skill.

>men

You can have an amazing memory yet be terrible in strategy and abstract thinking.

I already came across an autistic genius that could tell me the definition of practically every word in a certain dictionnary but had trouble doing simple maths.

intelligence isnt one dimensional

>sweetie
I sure hope you don't actually say this

Boomers (actual 60-70 year old ones) played chess, therefore chess > whatever you kids play when you're not being vandals riding on your skateboards

>being this retarded
Watch some actual chess games retard, the openings are memorized but the rest is not. Why do you think that the players can take up to 30 minutes to make a move?

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>Bobby Fischer
>high IQ
>disgusted by jews

>resetera tranny
>mentally ill (low IQ)
>praises jews

really makes you think doesnt it?

youtube.com/watch?v=g62mOnoBTZM

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For someone who hates jews u take the opinions of a half jew a little too seriously

He definitely goes into schizo territory on some of these.

I've played chess occasionally for 10 years now, and i know that it doesn't resemble any kind of the mainstream competitive videogames in existance, saying that videogames require the same level of intelligence than chess is borderline retarded, i am by no means a good chess player, but i know my good share about it, and the memorization thing is a meme, the reason why everyone knows them, and why good players dismantle those moves so easily is because the bad players just memorized the moves, they don't have the capacity to react vs something they haven't seen before, after 10 turns every chess game is unique, because if it isn't, the better player will inmediately recognize the strategy and beat you immediately, if you play FPS or MOBA long enough, you will eventually learn everything that is "theory", positioning, strategy, resources management,etc, and all that will distinguish the top player from the rest is mechanical skills, chess is purely mental

Wealthy Jews lean much further to the left than any other racial group in America. Combine their high average intelligence and ethnic nepotism has lead to them having a disproportionate influence on modern leftism.

Sure some are on the right but there are so many (((coincidences))) it's really hard to ignore them.

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savage just like his haircut

>the smartest race leans left
really makes you think

>thinking that humans can actually memorize that many openings

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They're only like that outside their homeland.

Not sure if bait or legit retardation.

>thinking that they lean left because it's rational rather than thinking it's what is good for them
And I don't mean center left I mean full on prog bullshit

>subhuman 56%ers lean right
really makes one insecure

see

Are they the smartest race or subhumans? Make your mind up, Adolf.

>play a long waited rematch to see whose really the better player
>U.S completely Rees and wants to arrest him

How fucking petty can you be???

Chess? More like shit

> Why do you think that the players can take up to 30 minutes to make a move?
because 90 year olds would forget why they're even there

the only "skill" involved in being a soldier is how well does your body and mind function in severe sleep deprivation

thats literally all it is, the best grunt is the kind that can still aim his pew pew with 2 hours of sleep

>he can't handle the jandal

>Imagine if the makers of chess nerfed chess pieces
>Almost all of these changes are buffs to pieces to speed up the game

youtube.com/watch?v=FCuy163srRc

the only video games worthy of even being viewed in the same standing are 1v1 games like fightan and rts. In comparison the vast majority of multiplayer games today are rng riddled skinner boxes or team oriented crap designed to shelter the ego.

Pretty much this, in something like a fighting game (in a simplified way) its more about predictive multitasking and reads. Being ready to outplay someones options at any given time before they start happening lets you react to them but keeping multiple options in your mind at all times like that is hard and sometimes opens you up to other tactics. Trying to prevent someone from dashing/jumping might leave you open for an advancing unsafe special move for example but being 100% focused on stopping grounded movement may eat from your reaction to someone jumping instead

Oh no, the fighting fags are here to circlejerk about how intelligent you need to be to play fighting games and ignore the FGC is mostly blacks and spics

fightans are just glorified rock paper scissors anyways

not an argument

git gud

at fucking what mouthbreather? are you fucking retarded?