Re-release of an MMO turns out to be a massive hit

When someone says that Vanilla is just the same as Retail with just less features, you can instantly tell they never played Vanilla back in the day.

vanilla do have less features than retail, are you retarded?
you're just a jaded fuck who can't accept the truth
what are you going to do once you hit 60? a shitty raid easier than LFR and unbalanced pvp
woah so much content

I forgot how garbage and boring cooking was in vanilla.
Literally all recipes I got from 1-250 so far are just stamina and spirit.
How lame.

Yeah you definitely never played Vanilla.

Why don't you just go back to retail right now and grind some Azerite? Is that motivating enough for you? No? Maybe collect some new battle pet?

Obviously you have no idea what made Vanilla so great and you never will. I feel sorry for you.

ok faggot, tell me what content does vanilla has that retail doesn't have
>inb4 meme response like "fun hehe xd"

Players or fun. Hopefully 8.2.5 fixes that.

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>tfw you finally get the whole scarlet set
Feels good bros

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Sorry buddy, but I just have more fun with Classic. Not saying retail is bad or anything, I just like Classic better

A breathing, living world and a sense of community that retail will never have.

See, dungeons, gear and shit are just an excuse to have a good time with friends or strangers. In the end, they don't really matter.
What matters is the pacing, the world around you, where players are communicating, trading, bargaining or even hating each other.

In retail you have none of that, everything is automated, everyone is acting like a bot because there is no point in communicating with other players. The current WOW team thinks that what players care about is gear or mounts or pets or whatever cosmetics you want. They're wrong, these are all secondary to what really matters, forming relationships with other players and being part of something bigger.

Eh I'm wasting my time, it's something that people like you will never understand. Have fun doing you mythic+3000 dungeon or whatever.

WoW is jank in general, however you could at least appreciate Vanilla for being an okay, simple MMO for the time. I just don't see much longevity for it since everyone hates the Classic+ approach despite the whole Classic project being inspired by OSRS which would've died without new content.

Retail is ass though. A lot of MMOs now offer side content to have players hooked into the game like housing and doing a long quest for a very flashy weapon, yet you either just do 18+ M+, raids or farm for 160k gold for more sub time.

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maybe you should try interacting with people instead of being a bot yourself
and spamming "ROGUE LFG SM" in general chat is not what I call "communicating", its as much communication as finding a mythic dungeon group in retail

how is the world living and breathing when literally nothing you do in it matters or changes anything in it?

I wonder when people will stop pretending.
The game isnt even designed to be an MMO.
Even when I play at 4am with literally no people around I have to wait for multiple mob spawns because quest drops are retarded.

Like I'm doing a quest in Blasted Lands and it requires 3 boar items at a 10% drop rate. There are like five boars in the whole area and you have to fight literally everybody questing there for it which results in everybody just fucking waiting for spawns instead of playing the game.

What a load of shit.

Give me some tips for playing Pally. I'm already pre-ignoring advice about not-playing Pally if I'm asking here.

I run it as ret, right? If I wanna do dungeons as holy, am I not fucked?

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FUCK what is that face?

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Count Dank is a scumbag degenerate.

Shame it's on a useless class

Ret is the best for solo leveling, but be patient, there's a lot of auto attacking. For the first 40 or so levels you'll be fine tanking or healing if you have to(provided you haven't been skipping holy spell ranks, but why would you? you get mount for free, no need to ration your funds) but after that it does get harder to pass as a role you're not specced for. People have an enormous stick up their asses about Ret because lol paladin dps. But people are assholes, and people care too much about how other people have fun, so play however you want. Shadow priests heal, Arms/Fury warriors tank, birds fly, the sun shines.

I don't even care about your dead twitch e-celeb bait game for little zoomers
you think you do but you don't

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SCHOOLS OUT WORKS OVER TAKE YOUR FACE TO COFFEE BEAN

Gonna add to this user In theory ret should also be fine in raids right now because of how undertuned they are in 1.12, but the afore mentioned stick up buts can be a problem. Ret is still good in PvP once you get some gear. Not as good as Holy, but it’s solid support while bringing some decent damage, and your almost as hard to kill as Holy. Really though, you probably do want to learn to love healing and holy, as it will make the early days of 60 much easier.

What this guy said. If you decide to heal and stick with it till you and your guild gets to raiding up to Naxx then you'll mostly have a good time conserving mana and still being in the top 5 healing in the meters. Simply spam flash of light rank 1 and when shit hits the fan just go divine favour to heal with the highest rank on Holy Light. doing DPS as a paladin is a whole different story and very RNG. You can truly only have fun with it if you do PvP with endgame DPS gear and sulfuras (assuming you didn't make anyone cry and cut their wrists)

is there a talent guide you recommend? i actually do wanna heal, but im unsure if i'll be fucked if i get healing talents.

also, what items do i prioritise? i imagined spirit for fast mana, but im unsure if plate shit even has that

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Its a solved game packed into a pozzed nublizz box filled with post2007 internet, which tries to live on a genre which completely exhausted itself around 2009. Of course its shit.

The good news is itemization is fucked in Vanilla, you'll find plate with spirit and int on it like all the time, and if you're a healer, there's really no harm in using mail or even leather/cloth in some cases. Holy leveling is slow, but at least you can't die.

As for a build, I'm no paladin master but here's a quick holy build I cooked up for PvE:

classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/paladin/05503122521351-503201-5

You can shuffle points around if you'd prefer improved concentration aura but not a priority imo.

>Ding 50
>Lose all will to play
Damnit.

yeah right? In retail I just flew there and exploded about 10 boars in 15seconds and Flew back. Whole thing took less then 5min, and I didn't even see another player.

pretty good. actual gameplay.
you are defending literally standing around for 5minutes and longer doing NOTHING.

It's different than retail wow, not necessarily better. It's a game from a different era, I got bored before I dinged 30, just found it unbearably archaic.

Because it feels big and dangerous, at least on a pvp server.

>pvp with no repercussions
meh

based
kill yourself retail tranny

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DO NOT REPLY TO LOW EFFORT TROLL THREADS

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every pve server; for pvp mograine and zt have a balanced 50/50 faction ratio (according to wowhead census)

Chadsblade is good too.

You lose time, and maybe resources if someone kills you over some herbs/ore/treasure or a rare spawn.

lvl 26 here
I take breaks of 3-4 days when I play. quite honestly im kind of tired of playing the same thing over and over. and seeing the same gear drop

maybe because im playing warrior, the most boring class to level

People seem to forget that OSRS had a massive drop off in players after the initial release and didn't see player count rise back up until they released new content and fixes.
Classic is stagnating because there is nothing to do. The phases of content they are releasing will get players back but it's not going to last.

that’s actually shaman or paladin
priest is up there too

The lack of honor is a real fuckin bat to the knee. I really enjoy PVP and honestly WPVP was at its peak in vannilia in alot of ways. But shit im spendin gold on these potions for no gain. I really hope these phases are faster then when they orginnally came out. WOW vannilia had all its content a bit more then a year after it came out. Ide really fuckin like nax out before June.

>hit 40
>instantly lose the motivation to get through another 20 fucking levels

it was fun i guess, but way too tedious

Play on a WotLK private server, all classes have viable dps specs, some have 2, every healer is viable, every tank is viable.

Yes, vanilla/BC are great, as someone that spent ages on PSs I'd recommend classic over a PS in all honesty but it's up to you.

Don't listen to these people, they're lazy niggers that suck at the game, only lazy niggers like wrath unironically.

The top one but with a darker skintone

Went for this. Didn't really like how it looked ingame.

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Ret is trash in both PvP and PvE. You play as Ret while leveling up. Once you hit ~55-58, you respec to Holy and get to 60 by farming your pre-raid BiS.

No one will ever take a Ret to a dungeon, raid, or premade BG group. If you want to be a solo player, you can play Ret, but other than that, forget about it.

Look up some of esfand's guides, make friends with a warrior and a smith so you can get decent str gear and have a god tier comp for world leveling, learn to heal just in case even if you don't do it as your roll because being able to in an emergency while throwing out damage will make you instantly top tier.

With vanilla it's more about the journey than the destination. The AOE grind (which wasn't really a thing in vanilla or even private servers) wears people out fast, too. I went mage but I still quested as normal to 60 in order to avoid burnout.

youtube.com/watch?v=C8BPATSVpRg
Watching atm for tips.

This is the truth

you forget that all the people who shilled WoW Classic are now playing WoW and all the people who said its going to be shit left out to play nothing and have time to shit on the game.

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>The year is 2019 and two of the biggest MMO's on the market are Old School Runescape and WoW Classic

The absolute state of nu game devs. It's been nearly 20 years and they still haven't been able to do better despite bigger budgets, more marketing, and a much easier development process.

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My same experience.
Leveling in areas that still had a fair amount of quests while saving up for that mount was a near objective that kept me going forward.
Once I got my mount and started going to areas that have at most 40% of a level on quests like Feralas, with my nearest objective being getting to 60 (which is more exp than 1-40) made me lose interest.

Here's a general piece of advice that all the other replies overlooked: for physical damage dealers, the bigger number on your weapon's damage range is your single most important stat. Not the dps, not the number of stamina or strength on your chestpiece. Upgrade it whenever you have the opportunity. I'm sure there's an autistic warriorbro lurking this thread who can throw together a list of good weapons to try and get during the levelling process and where they're from.

why is that though? Why is bigger rane better for example from 1-500? whats the point?

Because instant weapon attacks deal your weapon's maximum damage. They do not deal more damage with faster weapons that have lower top end damage.

>The absolute state of nu game devs.
It's the same thing that happened to shooters after CoD got big, everyone started stuffing their heads up CoD's ass and ruined several unique and interesting franchises like Battlefield and Op flashpoint to chase the gravy train, only here it was MMOs and Wrath of the Litch King. After MMO knocked every record out of the park by a factor of 10 everyone just started making shit wow clones and MMOs haven't changed since turning from an RPG where you slowly grind yourself to being the strongest you possible in to a generic power fantasy where you get to chop down armies every time you sneeze. I still miss old EQ.

>only found out that shaman is the only class that can go trispec and get away with it

>tfw you're a warrior that wields a staff with intellect only because it gives higher white hits than all the regular warrior weapons
and I still top dps in groups lel

Yeah but you need to roll horde so there's a pretty harsh trade off.

Too busy complaining about gashes in their crotches, fake rape stories, and Orange Man.

>my nearest objective being getting to 60
Change that to 56. That's where questing for xp begins and running dungeons for endgame gear begins. Waiting until 60 before you start doing all the late game stuff is a massive waste of xp.

Just wait till you get whirlwind and slam.
I overpower for 600+ at lvl 30 right now

Meant for but I'm retarded

Slam is a literal waste of time, it resets your swing timer on cast start, not at the end of the cast like it did on Private Servers, which means it's just generally total shit.

lfm spellcleave know how to eye pull or kick

If you have a weapon that has a swing timer faster than 1.5s and a bar full of rage, you will do far more damage spamming it on any enemy that swings at or slower than 1.5s. You should also be stacking rage between fights for this.

>faster
that should have been slower
I just woke up

>Muh Quality of life
Zoom zoom

wtf does this even mean
I had retards on Herod ask in lfg
looking for cleave
like who the fuck says this shit

>instant weapon attacks
do paladins have those?

>tfw kicked from group because my spec isnt raid viable
>while doing a dungeon leveling
>and pulling top dps
Nice community.

Oh yeah, you should also start cast right as the enemy swings for the best results, that way you don't get affected by knockback.

eyepull is a lock using eye of killrog to pull, iirc spellcleave is just hard front facing AOE like cone of cold

>less content
>less difficulty
Are you talking about every fucking expansion WoW ever released that isn't about raids?

Why does retail wow even bother to add leveling zones when these cucks prefer spamming dungeons and raids lmao.

>Questin in Tanaris as Spriest
>Whispered if ide mind coming
>Say I can but im an Spriest and my healin would be bad
>They say its ok
>Spend like 2 hours in ZF shootin the piss
Was way funner then I expected.

"cleave" and "spellcleave" have been terms since real vanilla, it just wasn't thrown around as much back then because pug aoe groups were extremely rare

rogue and mage can trispec

Anyone who calls something a "living, breathing world" without elaborating further is on the same level as game journalists calling something visceral combat.

If you are not already playing WoW then don't bother. Not because you missed something that you cant get anymore, but because you would've been playing already if you liked the genre.

>arcane
literal shit spec
>fire
all the raids are weak against ice

why not just call it aoe then

The top dps spec puts more points in arcane than frost, retard.

you still go into arcane for arcane power and clearcasting and shit

>literal shit spec
>all the raids are weak against ice
Oh look, a retard who doesn't know how mage and raid progression works.

>priest is up there too
It's the most brain dead easiest class to level, but that saves it from being the most boring experience. The fact that you don't even have to look at your screen 99% of the time means you can multitask harder.

>he doesn't go elemental mage or fire mage with frost talents
>he is a fucking cuck who respecs to full frost mage
>for fucking mc and ony
LOL

>le butthurt mages the posts
who knew such a brain dead class attracted these type of individuals

>merely pretending

Because spellcleave and cleave let people know whether the group wants casters or melee/hunters, and if they don't already know what those terms mean then they probably don't know much about the game (or are too retarded to google) and you wouldn't want them in your group anyway.

just put a shitty anime slut design on the front cover and it'll be a different story

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MMORPGs are just trash.

NO U

He's not merely pretending, he's doubling down on his retardation.

Why is the Warrior Prot spec so fucking worthless?

Even Blizzard fucking hates sword and shield dps and removed fucking gladiator stance.

Do you want to spend a week to gain one level?

>roll mage for free food
>get to lvl 44 waiting till I can make sick food fpr buffs
>learn you can't make mr.freezes only bread and water
it sucks you can't even make cool food or they don;t even give buffs like cooking food

What are you on about mate
Sns dps? Are you high or retarded?

>You only think you do!!111

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Oomkin or ret paladin?

>useless class
back to bfa :^)

>he missed gladiator spec
don't bother replying, zoomer

>play on ten storms
>everyone I've come across has been really nice and talkative
>chatted with randos while fishing and got my deviate fish cooked for free, a mageweave and a runecloth bag at lvl 10
>my first RFC run went very well too, everyone pulled their weight and everyone had fun

I'm lvl 18 now and I'm afraid the fun times are gonna be over soon

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>admits to playing WoD
>calls someone else a zoomer

>turns out to be a massive hit
>literally blocked all census addons month after release, aka day they clear people who don't login
Just how it's possible for classic fags to be so delusional, even in worst years blizzard never fucked blocked census on retail

More like Blizzard is butthurt that fucking Classic does better than Retail.

But don't worry, they will fuck everything up and promote zombie WoW (Retail) more.

You got Wailing Caverns soon which is a lot of fun.

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Most creative mediums, particularly in the west, are more risk averse now, hence why every other thing you see is a reboot or a sequel. Shouldn't be too surprising that billion dollar video game publishers would also want to bank on past successes.

BALD MANCHILD BAD

This. Just log onto retail and classic and compare the pops. It would be funny if it wasn't sad. It's just another private server already and players are still dropping by the day.

But classicfags just tell themselves whatever they wanna hear and pretend classic was anything but flavor of the month and streamer bait.

>More like Blizzard is butthurt that fucking Classic does better than Retail.
I don't understand your argument
Won't it make more sense to block census addons like month+2 weeks after release when it started showing loss of players, if they so butthurt about classic?
Oh wait, you just can't handle the truth

Classic doesn't have a tenth of the players retail does. Whtmy fucking blatantly lie to yourself, this is just pathetic.

ahahaha

Meanwhile in real world the model has already been working for years on older MMO and youre a retarded zoom zoom trying to fit in.

Despite retail having more full servers, it somehow manages to be even more empty than any instance of Classic. Because of layering/phasing areas are completely empty unless some other person happens to be in the same quest phase and area you are. The game even pulls players from other servers to fill out leveling areas, but despite this it's still fucking empty. The only places where player density incomparable to classic is the capital cities.

>less difficulty than retail wow
You don't have to lie, user.

Pride, imagine you worked for ages on a new game and both you and the team you were on thought you were making a product that was nothing but 15 years of improvements on the original version of it, only to have people literally riot for that older version and for it to do infinitely better than the version you've been working on all this time while people continue to take the piss out of you for your version that is now seen as a complete and total joke.

I'd be a bit miffed too and unwilling to allow comparisons.

Classic will die once people reach 60 and raid, if most even last that long. In my case, I just subbed for a month to experience it while everyone else is, then I'm done, don't even care about 60.

it's true though. mythics are harder than anything classic has

>this idiot makes literally $150,000 a month from subs and another $50,000-$75,000 in donations.
>he gets completely carried in everything he does
>a bunch of sperglords go out of their way to give him anything he wants to hope that they get their name read by Asmon

What the fuck kind of world are we living in.

You aren't having fun with it? I only subbed for a month and there's something really fun about grouping with random people for a quest or two. I'll probably reach 60 just because I've never explored all of the zones before.

One where fame comes before dignity.

Is a 60 character a month a good pace?

I still don't understand
In that case wouldn't it better to block census right after it showed initial decline in classic instead of blocking it after it didn't cleared people even once?
You don't make any sense
Feels like you just want to force narration
The only reason to block census like that is when they afraid to show classic decline

I got to 18 and quit. Spending 45 minutes grinding quest mobs just to get a SINGLE drop out of 10 needed...who the fuck can enjoy that?

Classic is just as empty with its layering, and I see more of the same names in chat and running about the world on Classic.

I'd say, working full time and I've got 2 30s with max proffs they can have and mostly blues and I've been in since launch.

>blizz breaks population tracking addons
yeah, i'm sure there's 300% more players now than at launch. have fun with your dead game

>b-b-but my cuck difficulty and raids
>rest is piss easy
lmao

>Week one
>friends list has 40+ people on WoW classic nightly
>week five
>friends list has maybe 3-4 people on WoW classic nightly.

It's already dead.

>it doesn't count! :(((((((((((((((((
pathetic, user

i mean, theres toddlers making bank on youtube playing with toys. how does any of this personally affect you? were you one of those sperglords previously and realized how much money you spent on his stream. user, you'll be happier when you just gb2 real life

You don't have to do all the quests. The entire point of questing is to level up. If you spent 45 minutes grinding you probably got 3 quests worth of experience. Just abandon quests with shitty drop rates you dumb nigger

Id say 60 in a month is rushing it and you will probably wear yourself out doing dungeons and raids with autistic tryhards and private server fags

Skip that and go farm whelps

They should just fix retail. No more endless AP grinding, make mana actually used again, stop giving out heroic raid gear for no fucking reason every week in a scenario that you can just AFK, etc. But, we all know that they won't. This game will only get worse.

I'm talking about actual content, no one gives a fuck about leveling other than classic babies because that's all there is to do in the game
And not being able to pull 2 mobs while questing is not what I call difficulty, it's just different game design

if you're autistic. Do you even bother to read the quest lines?

Sounds fun...

It is, it's relaxing and yeilds decent drops for when guildies wanna run instances.
Sprinting's more fun when you're not doing it every second of every day.

Don't hate it. Just wish it was TBC so Druid would be more fun to play with as other specs than just Resto.

>No more endless AP grinding
Sure, can agree with that...
> make mana actually used again
Oh you just retard who doesn't know what he talks about
Wotlk showed the best what shitshow mana is after two patches of gearing, it was literally unlimited. Same thing was in bc, just not many people actually bothered to gear back then

>Oh you just retard who doesn't know what he talks about
I smell Xiao...

>pvp resilence, flying mounts, death of faction identity and blood elves

no thanks, oomkin

would be fucking ridiculous.

i just feel like it's too slow, it takes too long
>okay now i have to go to X zone to quest/Y city/Z activity
>takes anywhere between 10 and 80 minutes to travel and you earn 0 xp along the way and you might get ganked by a bored 60 which makes it take even longer
they say everything worth doing is hard but i argue that not everything hard is worth doing sometimes it's just a waste of time
>can't just park your ass in a zone you enjoy and quest there for 5-10 levels instead you need to travel across the world and quest in a zone you don't like
>quests are all over the place and a lot of them are just "talk to this guy" which awards 200 exp and just isn't worth it
i'm not saying vanilla was a bad game, i was completely addicted to it and skipped work/school just so i could play a few more hours but i feel like i've outgrown it
i don't see the need for mundane shit to take hours especially not in a themepark mmo where the point is to reach 60
>no player housing
>no player quests, can't RP in any serious manner
>can only earn xp through quests, not through gathering or pvp or by being a merchant etc

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You'll do more damage as Holy than as Ret. Retribution is just RNG and the proc rate for Seal of Command is 7 procs per minute. With Holy you'll be stacking spell damage / heal and you have access to good on demand damage like Holy Shock and Consecration. Hell, you can still take SoC from Retri and use its Judgement on stunned enemies for major on demand damage as well, but you won't go OoM immediately doing so like you would as Retri. Why anyone would STILL delude themselves into playing Paladins like gimped Warriors is a major mystery to me.

It could be worse

It could be castrated retail wow with its """"qol"""" changes

He makes a whole lot more with bounties, sponsorships, youtube, etc. Dude is unironically a millionaire and if he stretches this another 5 10 years hell be a billionaire.

Spergs with brainrot so bad they convince themselves doing chores is fun.

PvP resi only hurt babby raiders who wanted an easy time in PvP.

Flying itself isn't bad and the claims that it killed outdoor PvP are greatly exaggerated as I did more outdoor PvP in TBC than any era of WoW combined (those daily quest areas were pure chaos), the only real issue with flying are the end game TBC zones that are a shitshow to navigate on ground since they are designed with flying

Blood Elves and Draenei suck shit, agree.

Don't watch Esfand, he is hyped up in every way! There is literally so many better paladins out there! Also Esfand is a fat ninjalooting jew! Don't support jews, do ya Yea Forums?

Well more and more people realize now that classic wasn't that hardcore/difficult or grindy after all and start to backpeddle.

It started with "w-well MC w-wasn't supposed to be hard!" and went on to "oh well sulfuras wasn't that special to begin with!". P2 raids will be cleared on day 1 and people will have to wait x more months until they can even play the only remotely fun game modes.

And all that just because they insisted on the epic "NO CHANGES" meme.

that's exactly what it is

>turns out to be a massive hit
Most of the players have already stopped playing...only like 1-2 servers are populated on each region the rest is pretty much dead

>rest is piss easy
A classicbab like you wouldn't even finish an endgame dungeon, let alone a normal raid. Go back to your shadowbolt casting simulator, tell us how hard it is to kill 200 boars for 12 quest items.
Fucking christ, an ape could play classic.

i think wow classic could be a pretty good game if they multiplied XP gain by like, 100% or some shit. but i get it, it's a leveling-focused themepark mmo so you aren't supposed to poopsock to max level asap. except huge parts of the game also compel you to reach max level as soon as possible, like the fact that higher level players shit in your asshole constantly and you can't do anything about it besides just poopsock your way to 60 asap

retail wow leveling experience is better though
the classes are just terribly barebones and boring to play

I'm pretty sure that it's actually paid pajeets or something that keep posting images of him like this. Kind of smart move of him to advertise himself, just pay a bunch of pajeets barely and money to shill your shit everywhere like this.

>retailcuck goes back to worshipping his epic raids while ignoring how fucking dogshit the other content is

How predictable can you be?

>MC was supposed to be hard
in what dimension?

>retail wow leveling experience
>better
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Which hypothetical client type would you be the most interested in? Or would you just keep playing retail and buy more pig mounts?

strawpoll.com/cp3axer1

Retail (9.0+ - new expansions as normal)
Classic (legacy server like what we have)
Classic+ (new Classic style content added onto Classic)
TBC (legacy servers with no new content)
TBC+ (new TBC style content added to TBC)
WotLK
WotLK+
Cata
Cata+
MoP
MoP+
WoD
WoD+
Legion
Legion+
BFA (legacy realms that never go past 8.3)

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You have your epic mount, right Yea Forums? You're not a casual are you?

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I'd like to see new content after all the phases are released. Something like the way Runescape handled their OG servers. I think No Changes is just a safeguard against contemporary Blizzard's shitty decision-making.

>has guild pay for your mount
Welfare.

Yeah, quest zones have storylines, you can level whenever you want, and you don't have to travel unless you really like a zone and want to level there. If you're going to reply to this with some obscure bullshit like "it makes the world feel huge!", "being forced to travel and grind is part of the experience" don't bother.

The only problem is that classes have like 5 skills, what the fuck is wrong with Blizzard holy shit.

classic with further patches finishing content that got cut like Karazhan and Hellfire Peninsula is my ideal but I'd play eternal 1.12 or TBC->Wrath progression too

I've quested to 60.

Hard choice between classic and classic plus, if they didn't fuck up classic plus I'd play provided I can move my classic characters over.
Hi blizz

Autists would shit piss and cum, so no chance. We don't even have toggleable retail models, for fucks sake.

Retail classes have more skills and it's not even close. People counted. Just another myth by butthurt vanillababbies

>quest zones have storylines
>praising cata shit where you are forced to follow the zone storyline to progress in quests

>you can level wherever you want
The retailcuck wants to reach max level asap and only focuses on the zones with the best exp

>being forced to travel and grind
It helps World PvP, you fucking carebear lmao

>Play as class that I like but don't love (but do in other expansions) because I know it'll be an important role and difficult to find
>other guildies/irl friends roll one of the same 3 classes
>level 60
>everyone is reeeeing at each other because we can't do content without randos now
>stuck with my class or reroll
Why the fuck didn't I just silently roll on a different server and play by myself?

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>"more skills"
>you only use 5, because the rest is locked away from your forced spec

>praising vanilla shit where all the quests are "kill 12 boars and give me their heads"

>The retailcuck wants to reach max level asap and only focuses on the zones with the best exp
If you don't care about reaching max level asap you can level in any zone you like. Why are you so upset at people playing how they like?

>It helps World PvP, you fucking carebear lmao
If people wants to do world PvP they'll go to contested zones to level. Once again, why are you so upset at people having choices on how to play?

Yes, pulling an entire zone and pressing the same AOE over and over is really skill based, especially when standing in that pack for 10+ minutes wont put you under 50%.

kek my classic shaman has more skills and items than I can fit on all bars
meanwhile in retail I dont even have side ones activated

>Once again, why are you so upset at people having choices on how to play?
Because people will almost always choose to level in isolation. Creating interaction and conflict is what allows a person to invest into their character, guild, and server.
It's an MMO, sweetie. Look it up.

Nope. Try again. A single spec, even without pvp abilities, has more abilities tha classic.

>people, when given the choice, are choosing to play in a way I don't like
>noooooo this is not good design the game should force them to play how I like
PvP in WoW was always shit and the people know user.

WoW is a PvE game, it has always been.

I have never played retail: the post.
Don't you have some more boar asses to collect?

>Classes still so unbalanced after 15 years they had to lock some abilities off for specific game modes
>Arena's still compcheese
the absolute STATE of class design in live lmao

wrong

>has more abilities
You actually picked any of the useless actives from your talent tree to prove a point? LOL

>#nochanges
>#nochanges...except i kinda like tbc
>#nochanges... well maybe wotlk
>etc etc
blizz already sees classic servers dying and there's no way they're going to waste any more time and resources on nostalgiafags who cant even agree on what they want. you think you do, but you dont

The only people with an issue with classic are jrpg trannies.

If you die to mobs in livewow you are actually a brainlet

i liked pvp before resilience just not world pvp because it was always unfair or downright impossible when a max level decided to oneshot you
organized pvp was the most fun i had in the game

even if you pick every active in a talent tree, retail specs still have fewer abilities than in classic

Just like classic shitters picking useless skills to make their point because they add "flavour" to the class.

Stay in your shitty hugbox, you clearly never left it and you shouldn't.

>blizz already sees classic servers dying
m8 WoW has been dying since Vanilla according to you 200 IQs. I still remember when the game was released and all the hardcore MMO players from other games (EQ, Asheron's Call, DAoC, Anarchy Online etc.) said that the game was so casual that it had no chance to survive. And yet here we are, 15 years later and the Vanilla was popular enough for a 2nd release.

>what are twinks

Based retard

the only time mobs in BFA aren't complete pushovers is right after you ding 120 and that's only because ilvl scaling is fucked

what about them? i avoided them as much as i could

>You are bad at game
>YOU'RE GAME IS SHIT!
>You are still bad at game and wrong
>Y-YOU'RE GAME IS SHIT!!
I think I heard your LFR queue pop.

Why are retailtrannies so mentally ill?

>steals healer gear from real healers
>steals rogue gear from rogues
>rolls on everything else that he can wear even if it isn't good or worse than what he has on
>forces a corpse run hes the healer because he has no rez
>likely will wipe at least once cause his heals suck
>gigantic waste of time to pvp against since they cant kill anyone but never die themselves
>complete liability to have in a raid for anything other than curse dispells
>constantly spreads misinformation about how their class is actually op and best healers, tanks and dps in the game despite never being able to back these claims up
>memespec druids who did play throughout the entire content all admit it's worse than playing a real class

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I was one of those EQ players. I still wish WoW used EQ's con system and quests required emotes to progress. I even like the idea of losing XP on death.

I think besides certain raid guilds, an EQ player and a Classic player care less about levels than modern gamers. I think a lot of people have this complex that if they aren't 60 they aren't even close to being baseline for being useful and if they can't be useful they can't have fun. Leveling is important but if it's strange that it gives people such anxiety that they can't enjoy the game they have already.

They don't want to be alone and can't level up on Classic because it's harder.

>people find out that gladiator spec is a viable dps spec for prot
>nerfed and then removed
LOL RETAIL

>classic
>harder

This reads like a hunter falseflag operation.

Imagine having a favorite game,
now imagine people saying it sucks now,
now imagine spending 15 years screaming at those people that they're wrong and it's only getting better,
now imagine the older version of the game getting rereleased and it literally killing your favorite game.
I'd be anally annihilated too.

>be shaman
>join group
>3 other fucking shamans
What's the point in doing a dungeon if you won't get any of the loot in it.

to be honest, 85% of the players that play classic didn't play vanilla
I don't understand how you want to play classic if you played the 2 years of vanilla

>OLDGOODNEWBAD

Make your own group. Requires more effort but that way you can increase the odds that you and other people will get some loot by not having too many classes compete with each other. Joining random groups has always been a shitshow.

this except unironically

>Add one change to the game
>Ruin it
based nu-blizz

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You're free to join us and prove that you can do more than just mash a single AoE attack to kill tens of enemies at the same time.

I've been on classic since day 1, you shitter.
The last WoW xpac I played was Cataclysm.

You should've told us from the start that you were full of shit, then.

>"Hey guys, we're gonna add this system what do you think?"
>"It's bad and here's a detailed list why based on what's happened in the past with similar systems."
>"Nah that's crazy, none of that would happen!"
>Literally all of it happens
Every time without fail.

Layering is shit and I will never accept it, fuck off.

ironically this is how half of classic cucks play thanks to muh meta spellcleave aoe farming

based frost mage, hunter and warlock bitch

>The last WoW xpac I played was Cataclysm.
I'm really sorry to hear you had to play cataclysm.

GOD I wish human females were real

I only leveled to 85 and quit because all my friends had long stopped playing.
I remember having a blast with the 5-man, they were pretty hard. Apparently they got nerfed afterwards lmao.

I remember that, they nerfed all the 5 man content because people got upset the had to pay attention to it.

>layering is just going to be in the starting zones
>layering will only be in the game for the first 2 weeks
>layering will only be in the game for phase 1!

No one wants to play together only bis farming antisocial teenagers trying to become the next gamer god play classic

>>layering is just going to be in the starting zones
>>layering will only be in the game for the first 2 weeks
they never said either of those things

>Game just launched, its population will dwindle and die baaaaaw
>I can kill boars in 5 seconds on retail
>Why are you even playing this shit? I just dinged 26 and it's so boring
Whoever cries like this never played vanilla and never understood why it was brought back by Blizzard.
Have you ever looked into how long the private servers stayed up?
Even with a small amount of population they were very much alive, for years.

Wowhead just updated their map for rich thorium veins and removed a bunch of legitimate veins, is there another place to view gather maps?

Of course not. Why won't these stupid goy just accept layering as a Classic feature already??

Retail feels like a second job. That’s the problem with it.

I can't wait for the tourists to leave to be honest. Tired of seeing SephirothX on my RPPVP server.

Use gathermate2 and make your own non BS map.

I hope Blizz will open up new servers when they do so I can start from scratch and this time with all the other Homebros.

classic leveling is boring because the game fights you every step of the way
bfa leveling is boring because you have to do it for 120 fucking levels holy shit that's insane

>can't make an argument without lying or acting like a retard
typical retailtranny

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I have been, but I at least knew all the spots that showed up on that map before were in the game even if it was missing plenty of nodes that were also in. Archived thottbot from early 2006 has lists of coordinates that are accurate too, is there an addon to add markers on my map from coords?

>retailcuck fights Classic chad
>he flies away after wasting all of his get out jail spells and toggles off pvp
LOL

Just hit level 10 with my Pally. Thanks for all the tips lads. Not a fucking clue where to put my talent points into, as everyone seems to agree and disagree to different degrees.

Also, I've never played Ally in Classic. Just a fuck ton of Horde. Is there a dungeon progress guide or something?

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you just go straight up ret
seal and autoattack to 60, have fun playing the most boring class in the game

What spec are you interested in? What's your 2nd favorite spec?

>Sabotage this guys 1 copper liferoot listings by bidding them higher than the normal listings
>Get this in the mail

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I wanna play Holy in the end, but I'm not sure where to go to get there.
2nd, probably Ret.
I'm not sure if your advice is good because you called it boring.

>Ret
>Seal auto until 60
>Prot
>Seal and auto until 60
>Holy
>Seal and auto until 60 because consecrate is a waste of mana

I play a paladin, theyre a snoozefest.

>Some hordelet actually kept this in his bank, and the Ork bankers could do literally nothing about it but store it. Then the Ork bankers gave it to a poor retarded Tauren mail-man who had to carry it across the world just to give it to some actual rancid smelly Undead neet.
Such lore

classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/paladin/--50205051210315

>less difficulty than retail wow
You mean the version of wow where as a tank, it's literally impossible to not have aggro? The version of wow where dps can go balls to the wall at the 1 second mark? That wow?

I know for a fact that tanking is braindead in retail compared to classic. And even if you have to press more buttons in retail, it doesn't mean it's harder for dps to do their jobs either.

>halfway to the end
More like 1/4th to be honest. With the amount of exp increasing and quests becoming more nonsensical and sparse. I'd say it goes something like this:
1/4th is lvl 30, 1/2th is lvl 45 3/4th is lvl 52 and the last 8 levels are the last 1/4th.

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me on the middle

What bullshit nerf made you quit playing your class?
>Play shadow priest in burning crusade
>DoT that replenishes mana for your party based on how much damage you do when this DoT is on the enemy.
>Lich king comes out
>Dot is changed to replenish % of base mana for your party
>BiS geared shadow priest has the same utility as a fresh level 80.
>They also give the exact same utility to retribution paladins.

Fuck, I can't find a 31/0/21 build for this guy.

It was the best expansion
Yeah 5 man at cata release shit all over vanilla content. You actually had to cc mobs and do small pulls.

if wow classic was any good, youd be playing it and not killing valuable threads with this one

>Seal and auto until 60 because consecrate is a waste of mana
Based retard using Strength + Stam Warrior gear. How about that Spirit + Int loot like a Paladin was intended to use by the designers? If yo'ure going OoM as Holy then you're doing something very wrong.

Exact same experience. Hated the "bring the player not the class" mantra they were pushing so hard in wotlk. Nobody likes me as a player! I'd rather they'd be forced to bring me because of my class.

based layeringposter

In retail you can be a lot more braindead than in classic though.

>Useless class
Don't exist in classic retard.

Are you implying using consecration is good?
>Rank 3
>120 damage over 8 seconds

Literally a white hit if you use str gear as ret at that level, plus SoC proc

No, actually, it is more communication than retail. More communication than needed in retail, ever.

Fucking retard just google wowheads guide or something, why are you asking Yea Forums fucking retard

>it's difficult because dps have to wait 3 seconds before dealing damage
lol classicbabs

>Shaman leveling
>Boring
Dude it's one of the most fun classes to level

this is how I know you never had a guild and only do LFR

Which is the best introduction instance? WC or DM

Let's pretend RFC doesn't exist

on a very unrelated note. I used to play LOTRO a bit back around 2010ish, and having played WoW Classic kind of made me want to revisit LOTRO. Any one here knows if its worth it?
>Most creative mediums, particularly in the west, are more risk averse now
Yet various major projects still somehow manage to release updates that destroy their games more and more

Someone post the chad holyprot

It wasn't a nerf, but giving paladins pummel was the final straw for me, they gave everyone everything.

>RETARD WHY U ASK IN A GAMING BOARD? RETARD WTF RETARD U SO RETARTED

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>play enhancement shaman
>it’s replaced and even exceeded by 2/3 dk specs
>the effort required to get the same dps out of enhance is not worth it while the dk just facerolls their keyboard
>get so demotivated it takes me until bfa to find a class/spec I love to play as much as I loved enhance

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You're not one-on-one-ing mobs as a Paladin.. are you?

>play warrior
>get shit on
can't take much more of this boys

Well go to a guild in classic and compare it to retail, it's like day and night.

This was back in Wrath, obviously

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>flame shock
>auto attack
>alt tab to Yea Forums
wow so fucking fun and engaging

If youre not 60 and youre trying to 1v4 mobs wearing int and spirit gear youre dying

>Can google something to get a good answer
>Instead ask bunch of retards to google for you
You are what is ruining every fucking discussion. Spoonfeeding faggots.

Get your consumable game up user

>be frost mage
>get ganked by a red level rogue that has to waste literally all of his cooldowns, double sprint included
Feeling big don't you? Fucking faggot.

>t to be a massive hit
it already died though?

pretty sure its ashbringer, dont think mograine is balanced unfortunately

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>be super excited to go home
>level my shaman up to 24
>get bored
Maybe I just outgrew WoW.

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id rather not play with redditors LARPing to try to relive their childhood

>less difficulty than retail wow?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

He's obviously asking us because we will know the answer innately, not because we have to google it for him

so its true, all the cancer is on shazz

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WC is fucking garbage, it was garbage then and it's garbage now
>mouldy, damp cave
>raptors, slimes and night elf druids who cast sleep constantly
>bosses are just night elves
>majority of players get lost
>some fail the jump and force everybody else to wait 20 minutes for them to catch up
>if you wipe at the end you need to run for 20 minutes to get back to where you were provided nobody gets lost
>awful final encounter with tons of mobs coming at you and a high level murloc at the end
>quests are all over the place and forces you to go to TB and ratchet and on top of a fucking mountain
>high risk of not everybody in the party completing deviate hides and serpentbloom inside so you need to reset at least once and just farm mobs
>meme drops for meme classes like druid and shaman
gutting it in nu-WoW was the best decision they ever made

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>I-im not wrong!
just stop posting

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DM easily. It's a bit more straightforward layout-wise, makes sense storywise (dug out hideout with their own smelting factory and pirate bay for the folks fed up with Stormwind leaving them to rot), had some unique characters/crew and had a proper entrance & exit. Quests are part of the zone progression & you know why you're there, "It's probably pirates".

Meanwhile, WC is a shitfest from the get-go, the quests aren't part of the zone progression and require you to go out of your way and fucking mountain climb for a few of them, once you're in it's a goddamn maze with no clear directions on where to go first or what your goal even is besides "Explore and kill shit" - noone tells you you have to kill all the Druid leaders to do the final boss, you don't know if you miss one and due to the layout later on it's very easy to miss one; one is at a dead end and you constantly backtrack in the dungeon, taking even longer. There's a couple shortcut dropdowns to go back but you still have to exit via the entrance, and even if you go back, you have to go back in again to do the true final boss then run out a 2nd time.
Lorewise, wtf is going on? Random snake-druids are in a cave full of raptors and slimes and crocs, why exactly? They're keeping a stegosaurus captive even though he could probably escape very easily? And why's the giant rootbeast just kinda standing there? is he working with the nearby druids? Does he just give no fucks? And why would nelves choose a hideout literally 5 fucking feet from a major crossroad town of the Horde? Alliance nelves or not, they should fucking know better than to take up residence next fucking door to a bunch of savages.

yes pls

be careful not to break your finger

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>there are people ITT still saying classic is harder than retail

the hardest mechanic in molten core is getting barons debuff and moving out of the raid in 8 seconds

No you're not, not as a Holy Paladin, not if you're playing it correctly. You get access to
an uniterrupted crit heal that heals you to full HP and costs no mana every 2 minutes.
You use a shield + 1h because Paladin DPS scales better that way. It doesn't look as impressive as big dick SoC crits that happen once every hour, but it has better overall DPS and gives you better survi which means that your overall sustainability is better.
Also spikes on shields. Consecration + Retri Aura + Shield Spikes = lots of stacked damage that adds up.

LINK

>Use totems before fight so at a locations so they can last for more than one mob
>Use lighting shield
>Pull with earth shock or lighting bolt
>Dagger + shield + rockbiter or later two handed + windfury
>flameshock
>Depending on your luck, use additional spells always remembering 5 second rule
>Pull another without any break because you are so mana efficient
>Use racial
>You can also kite
>If you need to get out fast use earth shock to burst
>Afterwards if needed, heal
>Continue endlessly until no mobs
>Heal friends
>Tank dungeons with oil of immolation
>Kill pussy alliance with burst
>Ghost Wolf at lvl 20

Shaman is so fucking fun my friend

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Level 36 rn

How do I stop myself from quitting

Well did we know the answer?
Because I can tell you that 90%of people on these threads either don't know shit, laugh at you, or even blatantly troll noobs.

Do professions or something.

I FOUND IT

SHOCKADIN

classicdb.ch/?talent#sExu0xotZxf0tr

>neat in pvp
>gets better with tier sets
>good healbro for dungeons and even maybe raids, because no one gives a shit what the holy pala specs as secondary

Other choice if you want to be hybrid:

SPELLADIN

classicwow.live/guides/314/spelladin-raid-dps-pre-bis-phase-1-new-meta

ignore the x/0/31 builds and focous on hybrid: classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc#svVz0xoZZvf0xMcq

>ok dungeon healer
>meme build
>holy dps spellpower damage
>no one trusts you

classic+ with new content for all stages of the game, not just "endgame"
I don't think there is a pressing need for a 40man raid after Naxx.
Planned class quests like wind totem, lvl 40 pala/wl mount and more would be really nice.

Literally the only gameplay mechanic in the game is combat or involves combat. The combat allows for zero creativity or skill expression. The answer is no.

>charge warlock as warrior
>warlock sacrifices pet for shield
>unable to damage warlock for at least 30 seconds
>slowly die to dots, unable to escape because warrior has no escape

guess I'll just die

>everyone hates the Classic+ approach despite the whole Classic project being inspired by OSRS which would've died without new content.

Lmfao no one fucking has this opinion except a select few shitposters on Yea Forums

>play rogue
>get crippling depression from being fucking useless
>lucky if I get invited to one dungeon a day
>haven't logged on today and don't want to

Make a new character and enjoy the comfy early-level questing experience.

Fuck dungeons
Fuck raids
Fuck endgame
Fuck gear grinding

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just go ambush crit clothies in warsong gulch
oh wait

ah spelladin *sips*
love farming all these consumes and manual crowd pummeler

also from the comments
>Sorry mate. Didnt work. SoR and JoR DID NOT proc everything on beta. Bug or not dunno. Its disigned like 100% spell and nothing to do with these "chance on melee hit" things. Shadow oil etc proc only from: SoC, JoC, Auto, Reck stacks autos. Drakova already tested this.

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>>neat in pvp
>>gets better with tier sets
>>good healbro for dungeons and even maybe raids, because no one gives a shit what the holy pala specs as secondary
NICE
im gonna do it. any tree or skills you recommend I pick up first?

Cool.

>Cool lively cave
>Raptors, slimes, night elves
>Easy bosses for beginner dungeon, biggest problem is sleep
>Have to learn to navigate as a team
>Legendary jump that is reminds as how bad people used to be
>Someone fails, you get to laugh, doesn't matter takes few minutes to get back
>Final encounter where fucking dreams come alive and attack from all directions
>One annoying quest and few that require collection and can be done even outside of the dungeon
>Can help your bros to complete the quests
>Low level gear you can appreciate as your new

Imagine being salty alliance

Retail is bad though
Wow classic is by no means perfect but it worked so fucking well overall the way it was designed, hence the huge success
Retail makes some things better and alot of mechanics are theoretically better but all in all it doesn’t work out
Its not fun

>shaman tank
nice meme

Yeah, it's very nice.
Classic is fun because so many things can work.

horde or alliance for classic, thinking about playing mostly rogue and warrior

>blizzard is too stupid/inept to combine the social aspects and immersion of classic, with the graphics and gameplay of modern

why are we still here

horde has a good savage monster on a rampage feel, and alliance feels very deus vult, purging the world of furries and scum alike. your pick

>about to hit 50
how do I survive the final grind?

these are the same people who complain about tunnel dungeons in TBC

god forbid dungeons have an exploration element to them

its not just you, the only people who seem to have fun are either the ones who have never played back then or private server autists

Just run BRD for prebis on your way to 60

Exploration is fine, backtracking in explored areas that much is not. It's not a Metroidvania and is just an artificial timesink. You have to find the right balance.

I thought the people complaining about retail wow dungeons being so linear were full of shit until I actually played the classic dungeons and my god they were right. it truly is like they are their own fucking zone and not just a narrow corridor

Just start with Holy.

Also some bad news: your build only becomes super good once p2 or p3 comes out for the tier sets.

WC has cool scripted events whereas DM is pretty much a straight shot through an interesting looking dungeon.

I think WC quests suck though - I usually have to run it twice to finish hides or blooms and it just feels longer than VC just because you do need to backtrack.

But the real reason WC wins over VC is you get that sexy ass bag.

except shamans is raids lmao

>When P2 or P3 comes out
Damn, I doubt I'll be 60 by then.

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My comfy fishing spot

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The phase system makes sense but it sucks. Here is the/my issue with current classic.

>all content has been done for 15 years, its braindead easy and everyone has it 100% problem solved
>A LOT of people are racing to 60 because of all the private server poopsockers ruining the leveling experience
>layering sucks, but even with layering some zones were near unplayable due to overcrowding
>finally hit 60
>like 50-70% of the classes are boring as fuck to play (warlock and mage both use 1 button)
>no bgs

>pve carebear from retail bitches at Classic
lmao
>borng as fuck to play
>tolerates fucking retail specs
LOL

>classic is more difficult than retail
what did classicbabs mean by this?

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You spelled Shaman wrong

>look at this epic hardcore boss and raid mechanic
>ignore fucking anything else

Glad that Classic and soon Classic + exist and Retail can finally be the dungeon/raid simulator

you forgot the d

>Why yes, I do play an MMORPG for the single-player leveling content, how could you tell?

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What is hard about classic user?

The slow level speed that has you switch back are forth between continents every other level?
The farming mats with layers?
The dungeons 5 casters can aoe without a tank?

Fuckin this. Trying to staff shaman for the burst on Strength of Earth as opposed to sword n board is so much better now that I can actually kill shit

I'm just incapable of going 2v1 against any on level mob

What's better for those xd epic windfury procs, shamanbros? I hear some minmax fags scream double daggers and others just a slow ass staff.

>already two assmad retailtrannies on me
Weekly lockout, I assume?

Don't worry, I will play some pvp and bang your waifu while you raise your cuck.io score. Just sad how retailtrannies defend the current dogshit state of wow.

good arguments

>can't find anything hard about classic
what did classicbab mean by this?

>cant accept retail is harder
I dont even have BFA.

>dont pull two mobs
>rogue just bladefury and evasion
>warrior just cleaves and WW
>warlock can just dot and fear juggle
>mage can pull 20 mobs at once
>druid can bearform and barkskin
>paladin can bubble heal
>hunter has a pet and feign death
>shaman has bait totem

>b-b-but leveling is so hard
>you can just zoomcleave dungeons to 60 in 4 days

>What is hard about classic user?
not falling asleep while collecting boar asses

i dont play retail, dont project onto me

damn retailtrannies going all out lmao

retail really is fucking dead right now

>"druid can bearform and barkskin"
USING FUCKING BREARFORM TO LEVEL
>retailtranny fucking up his generalization and forgets about warlock pet
>warrior and rogue can level
LOL

if you pull too many mobs why wouldnt you go bear form?
and thats how a druid aoe farms, gather them up barkskin+hurricane and then bear and swipe to finish them off

you still havent provided a single argument to why classic is harder

>mfw thinking about all the retail expansions funded by clasicbros in the last month alone

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>why classic is harder
no pvp to toggle off and ganking asleep cucks who collect boar asses like this guy:

I actually liked it until I realized it was the patch I hated the most of vanilla.

I don't collect boar asses, I don't play classic

>classicbros start screaming on the forums after seeing the cinematic of sylvanas killing everyone and then wanting to go to the epic expac island (they had a good laugh before that)
>eternal war begins where retail and classic players murder each other irl

yeah, you collect kultiran boar asses lmao

AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE ITS YOUR WORLD QUEST HAHAHAHAHAHA

>classicucks only argument is no pvp toggle that was only added in BFA

Considering you can just layer out on classic currently its essentially a toggle.

Are you ready for the shitstorm when Classic is not mentioned at Blizzcon outside of a thank you?

No elves, no problems

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I don't collect kultiran boar asses, I don't play retail

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>far better world PvP
>unique class abilities
>faction uniqueness
>far better dungeon design
>higher difficulty
>all trade skills that matter
>enjoyable leveling experience
>quality writing
>players in the game world that you interact with consistently
>non streamlined gear that allows for far more interesting character builds
>spell rankings
>hybrid talent specs

scholomance is dope as hell, why the fuck did they change it in retail at all?

>everyone starts booing
>people unironically trolling the blizz staff
based

Have fun asking your guild for an inv to switch layers and keep failing on that.

>literal grind mobs for days
>literal grind dungeons for days
I just don't get it, the fun stops around level 40 when you need to do the same shit for days on end. How is that supposed to be fun? Where is the fun where is it hiding?

>Have fun asking your guild for an inv to switch layers and keep failing on that
you literally just have to reconnect

>grinding in wow classic

It's literally the anti grind game, invented to stop grinding. If you grind in this, and don't like grinding , you fucked up.

>finally hit 60
>like 50-70% of the classes are boring as fuck to play (warlock and mage both use 1 button)

That's because endgame was an afterthought compared to the levelling experience and as a consequence boiled down to "use biggest damage button."

because the "old world revamp" team were fucking idiots

>fucking autismo can't comprehend the difference between leveling and farming

>meme builds
God, fuck Blizzard and their streamlined shit balance.

Can't even go holy dps as Holy Priest or go fucking gladiator spec as Prot Warrior without getting removed.

>do dungeon for days because best xp/loot
>not considered grinding
Where do you come from?

>do a speedrun of a game
>it's not as fun or engaging

Whoa. Next you're gonna tell me Mario 64 is a glitch simulator.

Leveling IS farming in Vanilla, kiddo. If all those "Collect X amount of Y with 1% drop chance" quests didn't clue you in by now then you might be too oblivious to play Classic to begin with.

>doing the same thing for days is speedrunning
This game is just too boring and unbalanced for me. Maybe if mages weren't as broken as they were but it's just no fun. I spend 10 minutes going for my next quests just to be there for hours killing 10 ogres followed by another 10 minute journey for me to spend more hours killing bigger ogres. Why can't I have fun with this?

Maybe you should play the game instead of watching YouTube videos and trying to speed run it, retard. The only thing you harmed is yourself by fucking up, while everyone else who just played normally has been having fun.

Do you have to have fun with this? Sometimes it's OK to just admit that a game isn't for you and move on. Blizzard trying to appeal to people who hate WoW instead of the initial 10 million who loved it for what it was is what lead us to Cataclysm in the first place.

the leveling was pretty fun, but the endgame was really disappointing

there's just not that much of a challenge in a 15 year old game

still a better MMO than damn near everything else out right now though

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Maybe that's ok
maybe it's ok to get the max level and beat the final boss once and then put the game down, instead of farming forever and hating yourself and anyone else who still finds fun in the game

do you post that in every wowthread? 2nd time now.. also

>d-do i fit in yet?

really sad and demented lives some of you are living lmao.

I was having fun but late game I just can't find any more fun to be had.

>the leveling was pretty fun
ehhhhhh

Stay assblasted.

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blizzard is trying to appeal to people who hate WoW with classic.
its literally nostalgiabait for faggots who dropped out after the fad was over.

What's wrong with nostalgiabait?

it will never be as good as the first time.
also shows devs that they dont need to try.
its how the pokemon games went to absolute shit.

my first 60 was a tauren shaman in 05 so not really no, i just realized what a piece of shit WC after the first time

It doesn't have to be better than the first time, just better than what is otherwise available now, because half as good is better than no good at all.

>playing classic past 40
Why?

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Yeah, I think that's fair enough. I wish it was stretched out a bit longer personally, but that's probably because I'm comparing it to FFXI.

>playing classic before 40
do you enjoy shit quests and limited classes that much

Imagine thinking that you're playing an MMO for the quests.

yeah imagine thinking that when the game is 90% quests

World PvP was never good, it's either getting ganked fighting a mob or an AOE shitfest.

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Out of all those quests, how many of them are real, actual quests and not just mob grind in disguise? I can think of Linken's quest chain and..? What else?

I wish they were actual mobgrinds and not just shitty fetch quests and pathetic kill ten boar quests that make you wait for respawns because this game isnt designed like an actual MMO at all.

>be any class
>fight mage 5 levels below you
>lose
Fuck this shitty game.

>watching alexsensual stream out of boredom
>he gets his shit kicked in by a level 48 warrior
>he's a level 60 hunter with pre raid BIS
>proceeds to camp the 48 warrior who doesn't rez
>bans anyone in chat who made fun of him for getting outplayed by a 48 warrior
jesus fucking christ are all streamers this bad at the game or is it just this guy?

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>outplayed by a 48 warrior
fucking how
a 48 warrior wouldnt even be able to hit a 60 properly.

I will take ret palas to dungeons while doing levelling content. Past level 50, I stop doing that.
>t. pro tank main.
And I do mean pro.

>alexsensual serpent stings a warrior fighting a random mob
>warrior pops pot and all his cooldowns
>charges into alex and hamstrings him
>like a retard alex turns his back to him and trys to walk away
>he didn't have wing clip
>warrior proceeds to kill alex and then die from the mob that was attacking him
>alex then tries to "camp" the warrior
>warrior never rezzes and hops layer
>alex throws a shit fest and bans everyone in chat who was mocking him
the absolute fucking state of streamers

>level 34 warrior
>about to get the whirlewind axe
>only one last elite mob
>hire two people to help me
>get ganked by a lvl 40 warrior and his level 30 posse
>able to kill some of them a few times
>cant keep up because our graveyard is much further away
>they keep spamming "g o to Re t a IL" over my dead corpse
alright, which one of you fags was this

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alex is notorious for being shit a wpvp. he was meme'd over this incident for years.

youtube.com/watch?v=xzYOqIFYaOY

>be level 40 warrior with a few of my friends all level 30 doing the whirlwind axe quest
>see some level 30 ally cuck named Asmoonguld with 2 other people
>proceed to gank them because its a pvp server
>one of them starts to yell something in common, probably to grab an invite to another layer (asmon layer)
>proceed to kill them again and tell them to go back to retail
so what are you fags up to?

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fucking lol, and now its a 48 warrior that did him in

>Be lvl 40 rogue questing around Whirlwind Axe Area
>See people yelling at each other from different factions
>Stealth over to see what's going on
>See a level 40 warrior t-bagging and telling someone to go back to retail over and over while his friends beat up a few other dudes
Shit was wild.

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I'd be happy with more late game dungeons and raids that are below Naxx but fix the dogshit end game itemization

>Be Alliance Warlock
>bully all Druids and Shaman
>they call out their nig UD friends to try and stop my reign of terror
>I layerhop and do it all over again

youtu.be/_KtJ69a5uvU

2:27:46, a 48 fuckign warrior

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>the leveling was pretty fun, but the endgame was really disappointing

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I don't get why people even watch his streams. All he does is complain about the game and Blizzard, and he isn't a particularly good player.

>Obviously you have no idea what made Vanilla so great and you never will. I feel sorry for you.

Not him but can you explain what makes it great now? Ive not played retail since WoD and I never experienced wow til Cata. Id very much like to know.
Ive made it to 20 on a rogue and its been a boring slog. Done these quests before and still have them memorized from MoP times.

I want to enjoy it but i aint seeing the appeal. The only reason im still playing is because its the only game besides OW and CSGO that my friends will play.

>want to play caster
>only choice is between warlock and mage, both classes I dislike
yeah nah fuck that. Waiting for tbc classic

>new at the game I got to lvl 30 people told me a good lvl 30 dungeon is SM try to group whit people and they told me "wtf dude why are you lvl 30 in this area" it turns out SM is like 5 dungeons in one try to investigate how to enter the multiple parts talking whit people "wtf dude use a wiky dont talk to me anymore" die to horde and mobs 100 times before give up
>same shit happens in gnome
I know this is a 20 years old game but holy shit people are elitist and refuse to help new comers unless you have a group of friend playing or a guild you cant do shit since randoms refuse to cooperate more than a really short quest

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um sweaty what about s priest and boomkin

based ESLtard

lmao im pretty sure i ganked you incessantly in duskwood with my rogue, thx for revealing your current level range

How are you losing to mages as a feral druid? A Rogue? Paladin? Shaman?

>used pot and all cooldowns
>layer'd like a bitch instead of taking the camp like a man
Typical Alliance pussy.

t.alexsensual

>vanilla do have
Are you a european or an american nigger?

>destro to shadow and flame
>no shadowbolt increasing talents everything into boosting incinerate immolate and rain of fire
>full fire speced warlock wearing spellfire gear
>guildies questioned why I was wearing spellfire when we hit kara
>laughed at the dumb spec but no issues since I tailored my own shit
>top 3 dps in all raids
>all because I thought incinerate looked cool
I know it was BC, but i loved how you can take an off the wall spec and make it work if you gear into it. Not meta, but not so crippled that you hurt the run.
Shit there are videos about dual wield tanking. Can you imagine having choices, make people like the game?
God I hope Blizzard learns from this.

Who else here is /AUCTION HOUSE MANIPULATOR/ ?
No better fucking feeling than single handedly changing the price of a common item. Feels fucking good.

>look guys it sells for half of what it used to Im making so muhc less than I used to
Gratz

Wrong way, friend. I buy it up and sell it for more :^)

nuh uh fuck balancing 12 classes

better balance 36 classes now

sometimes people have opinions that are different than yours

you'll get used to it lil zoom

not really that hard considering all specs are literally the same now with just different color palettes

And change how they all work every two years.
How can the devs wonder why they constantly run out of time?

Thank you user... thank you seeing that clip made my day that much brighter.

>decided to try retail
>Kul Tiras is pretty cool actually, especially stormsong valley
>Reach 116
>Lose apex predator's claw bonus and my pet keeps dying on huge pulls
>stop playing

When should I switch to Fury bros? I want to go fucking nuts with dual wield

when you're hit capped, dual wielding is a net loss of DPS over 2h until then
if you don't care about missing, then whenver

Not a fan at all.
Tried wow for the first time with classic, and got to level 40. Figured I'd give it a shot, but it has a lot of the same issues every mmo has.
>Grinding combat
>PvP
>unhealthy, overly meta economy
The last point is a bit too long to explain fully, but definitely had the biggest impact on my experience.
For a mmo, it is surprisingly isolated and shallow in what you can do.
The lack of skills and varied jobs forces you to grind through combat quests instead of doing what you want to do, and you can't even do something as simple as mastering a profession without hours and hours of grinding other useless shit that gets in the way.
Their take on xp makes it play out like they wanted it to be a story driven game.
>dont stay in this area too long or we will stop giving you xp
But then you aren't your own character anymore. You are shoehorned into this crappy 'friend of all existence' kind of role in quests, and even if you want to do something else, the game will basically stonewall you.
>go raise your max skill level at the trainer
>go walk through some high level area to continue making pants and robes
Give me a fucking break.
You as a player are so stupidly powerful in combat crap, but you're telling me that after hours of making things you couldn't think of ANY way to improve? Your character just isn't a real person.
This was very unlike a mmo to me, but just as unwelcome as it represents some of the worst parts of RPGs that make it so tedious and unfun to play.
>gated progression AND forced progression
>nonsensical knowledge systems
>a fuckton of grinding things I don't actually want to do
So yeah. Fuck WoW. Fuck MMOs. I actually hate that my friends will tolerate something like this instead of playing games that are actually enjoyable.
>tl;dr
Let me fish in peace. I will not buy your game anymore.

>Playing vanilla Boomkin in a metafagging game

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>Maining a Rogue.
>Same mainhand sword since WC. [Wingblade]
>Level 31 now, dont have time running instances for a better weapon.
>Hits like a wet blanket.

"Casual" my ass! I dont have time to play more than 1-2h at the same time!

>Played Warlock since Burning Crusade came out, only really interested in PvP
>every expansion Fear breaks easier
>every expansion my pets lose another ability
>every expansion rotation becomes more complex but does less damage
>abilities that were once baseline become talents that are necessary, making them non-choices

At the end of Panda I started making a Hunter because my favorite pet, my Felhunter, had lost almost all of his fun abilities while Hunters pets still had tons of flavor in their pets.

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>I still miss old EQ

This sounds like someone who play Project 99, tried raiding and realized the community is garbage at that point. Don't worry though, Green is coming up and Blue is still fun if you take your time leveling and making friends.