Choose your character!

>Banjo still in
good

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The most bloated fucking thing are the omega/battlefield variations of stages. They would be necessary if they just let you pick any song for any stage.
>muh aesthetics
who gives a shit. I'd rather have new and interesting stages than aesthetics.

Great roster user, King Boo makes so much sense!

this image is mega cursed

I don't play Smash but one of the guys with swords should be removed and replaced with Adol.

>palutena

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>Wanting Lucario back

Got most of the characters I use, would rather have Isabelle than Villager and this Marth having top FE priority needs to stop, but unless they do something major to make up for cutting the roster size in half what's even the point of the game? I'd rather buy a port of an 8 year old Ultimate in 2026 than a new game with that roster.

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>cutfags

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What if the content the game had actually felt interesting and substantial instead of quick, low-cost ways to stuff as much shit into it as possible?

>King Boo
Booased.

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Cutfag is the worst meme ever.

I need an honest answer: how does cutting characters help anything else when the characters and fanservice are the main draw?

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>King Boo
Please fuck off. Even Kamek would make more sense.

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Dude is like Pokémon royalty at this point. Make him the martial artist monk or proxy-Goku he’s supposed to be instead of a scuffed masochistic seemingly Psychic Type

She’s a goddess and they can take her in any direction they want to essentially and improvise a bunch of moves. Impressively she’s one of the most vanilla in Ultimate and just bulldozes you with strong and safe mirror shield normals like she’s fucking Captain America

This
I doubt anyone is going to make smash better so they might as well just do rereleased of ultimate and keep adding on to the roster.
Either that or make it an entirely different game while still having releases of ultimate on future consoles way down the line.

No, no he wouldn't.

Well fuck you toozoomer.
>WAAAAAAAAA MEWANT EVERYTHING WAAAAAAAA

You know how I know King Boo is your favorite videogame character?

Why does Marth suck in all Smash titles?

>Spring Man
literally fuck off with this horrible meme
the only character anybody cares about is Twintelle

Choose your character!

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>Dude is like Pokémon royalty at this point
Only because Game Freak won't stop shilling the disgusting thing.

Is that what Thanos actually looks like in MvCI? Jesus Christ.

>Cutting Trainer for no fucking reason
>Cutting anything post-Kanto
>Spring Man
>King Boo
>Cutting the Belmonts and Snake
You're actually retarded

So you’re all just cool with characters behaving identical for 2 decades? Kirby and Zelda being fundamentally shit since 2001?

I hate rosterfaggots so fucking much

Ultron and Sagat

Jigglypuff is never getting cut and you know it.

it's a party game you deluded fag. the more configurations the better, to maximise fun

I probably would have liked this if they didn't cut Vergil and Wesker.

Nobody cares about your opinion dumbass.

As much as I’d like Twintelle to be playable, and not for waifu reasons, we all know the slot is going the main character which is Spring-Man.

>the game had actually felt interesting and substantial instead of quick
it already does buddy
>low-cost ways to stuff as much shit into it as possible
you literally have no idea how game development works

>So you’re all just cool with characters behaving identical for 2 decades?
Yeah

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>instead of picking quantity over quality every time like it did with Ultimate.
The quality in Ultimate is fantastic, though.

They picked quantity and quality of characters over other aspects of the game (ie they didn't as radically change the visuals, or have as many new stages".

Saying that Ultimate went for "quantity over quality" is absolutely disingenuous.

World of Light is exactly that though. It's just an immense number of fights against CPU players with some modifiers and adjusted numbers. There's nothing unique or resource-intensive in it besides the boss battles.

Its assuming there will be a jump as large as melee to Brawl. Maybe even a new engine. A reboot basically. So it'd be impossible to budget a game of 80 fighters on a new engine or even find enough staff to crank the game out in any sort of reasonable time frame when they also have to build another engine or at least overhaul it. Even if they stuck with what they currently have, imagine any new mechanic that required animating something new for every single character again. If they want to fix the netcode that will take budget and time too away from the fighters. And have you noticed how patches have been going for this game? The team is tackling some universal issue with a bunch of characters at once and treating a handful at a time. They do not have the budget or manpower to balance 70 characters. If they have a massive overhaul, they will not be able to manage that with a full team either.

as far as the internet and the entire ARMS fanbase is concerned Twintelle is the main character though
may as well just make her the MC in the second game

>If you disagree with me you're a zoomer
Kys

>would rather have Isabelle than Villager
Isabelle is the face of Animal Crossing now, as much as Yea Forums insisted it was Tom Nook. I could easily see Villager being replaced by Isabelle for that reason alone.

You don't see Villager merchandise anymore, you see Isabelle merchandise.

>Also Min Min over Springman
NEVER EVER

The original 12 are never getting cut, no matter what Yea Forums says every fucking time. It's just not going to happen.

>not including the original 64 characters

All of its individual parts are half measures

Stage builder mediocre, it has half the bosses it needs to feel fulfilling, UI is honestly insensible and clunky, online top to bottom is a disaster, botched input delay and buffer, zilch meaningful cosmetics for the main cast, new gameplay additions that are strictly worse from 4 like sticky platforms and can’t run through people, along with the weird solution to the new short jump macro

None of this matters though because it’s clear Smash is just about the Nintendo confetti, the shit online and UI alone would dock if 2 letter grades if you couldn’t play as Bing Bing Wahoorio

Jigglypuff should be cut, though.

That's nice, but it's not going to happen. I'd prefer Meowth, myself.

and yet isabelle is getting sidelined in New Horizons
how curious

I have how they keep watering down the roster with shitty gimmick character after shitty gimmick character, it hardly plays like smash anymore, because you are constantly forced to pay attention to what ever shitty gimmick ability the new flavor of the month dlc character has.

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Jigglypuff should have been Meowth

>17 Capcom vs 19 Marvel

I forgot about that, what a joke. Zero and Frank West

No she isn't, you just have to reach the point that will make her appear. We've been told this. You have no need for a personal assistant on a deserted island.

Reminder the cutchads will win with Smash 6.

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No, it should have been Mewtwo.

Still way to many characters. Cut Spring Man, Diddy, Zelda, King Boo, Robin, Rosalina, Peach, Wario And all third Parties

>cutting tons of characters without any new ones instead of just having the original 8 with everyone else being all new
>instead of Marth add Lyn
>instead of Simon add Alucard
>stop limiting the possible choices to the newest characters and consider every enduringly popular character who has a potentially interesting moveset
>then polish up the other content to have things like an actually fun platformer mode you can play with friends, etc

I'd buy a Smash game if the handful of new characters it added had some of my most wanteds and they wouldn't have gotten in otherwards

Reminder that cutcucks will be the only ones playing the new smash, people won't have any reason to get the new smash when DLC for smash ultimate is finished.

>the original 8
>original 8
>8
what the fuck are you talking about

>Remove Inklings, a recent franchise with a sequel and characters that are far popular
>Add Spring-Man
That makes no sense at all

Is Marth well liked in his series fan base? I know he’s not hated or anything but it feels like he rides the seniority train really hard. Deep down the Series Face title should maybe go to someone else

Inkling is right next to Spring Man though...

He was the first and thus is

The squid is literally right next to Springman on that image you dweebazoid

...the characters you started Smash 64 with? the same characters you started Smash Ultimate with?

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Can you imagine wanting less content? Do you fuckers ever learn?
>But with less work spent on the roster the games would be of a much higher quality standard!
>But with less work spent on the national dex the games would be of a much higher quality standard!

This would be a good argument if it could be applied to Ultimate.

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>smashfags are so retarded they are willing to pay 60 bucks for a new game with LESS content.

Now I understand why even out of gamers, they really stand out.

They’re never going to fix Samus and Wario’s move sets anyway so no I don’t care

>those pokemon
KANTOOOOOOOO

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it's more about the next game inevitably not being able to license everyone again (especially when fucking Square Enix are involved, and any company involved could ask for more money just like that) and considering alternatives to just "retire the franchise"

He has 4 (four) games, is also playable in Awakening (sort of) and Fates, Mystery of the Emblem is also like the most popular title in Japan

>retire the franchise
And lose money?

Julia Chang

It can though. World of Light and the whole idea of spirits is such a bleedingly obvious way to cut costs, especially when you have SSE and trophies to compare them with. I'd gladly cut all the garbage from the roster in exchange for a fully featured story mode with beat 'em up platforming levels and cutscenes, bringing back trophies and their descriptions, maybe Smash Run with more than one map to play on, or some other take on the adventure mode from Melee, and obviously some major fixes and improvements to the online modes. I'd especially like to see every character get fleshed out, unique custom moves like Palutena had in 4.

Ultimate feels cheap and rushed. Like they sacrificed everything but the playable characters because they were pressured to get the game out before Christmas that year. But having a lot of characters gets less and less value out of actually playing them when you don't have much content to use them in.

you think those modifiers are just a tickbox?

>it's more about the next game inevitably not being able to license everyone again
considering only square is being a bitch about stuff, the best solution is to just keep going without square
besides we won't lose much, considering they only gave us 8 midis and 2 ps1 songs

>zilch meaningful cosmetics for the main cast

Smash has basically never had any meaningful cosmetics for the main cast, and cutting the roster wouldn’t change any of that.

Melee was also rushed before Christmas, so I’m not sure how good of an explanation that is for Ultimate. I think the roster was just the #1 priority this time because it’s a main selling point for the series.

Yes.
Making a character start the fight with a certain item in hand or condition applied to them (flowered, giant, metal, fast etc) is as simple as ticking a box. Even some Melee event matches felt cooler than that because they had something unique that couldn't be seen anywhere else in the game, like the one where Yoshi needs to protect his egg from being broken, and the egg as an item only exists in that event.

Remove Bayotrash and put in Palutena, then it's good.

All my characters are gone, fuck you

The elemental floors aren’t really seen elsewhere in the game either, though.

>all 4 chars I use still in
based

>only enemies get to use cool things like elemental floors or poison gas/terrain
>fights boil down to "equip spirit to cancel their gimmick, thus turning gimmick match into regular boring 1v1"
It'd be novel to be able to equip your own "platforms catch on fire" or "stage is covered in slime" spirits but you don't really get many cool ones like that.

cutfags/reboottards are just relevancyfags in disguise

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They're the absolute epitome of half-brained rosterfags. They care so little about playing the characters they'd rather focus on how the character select screen looks.

Why do retarded posts like this always have King Boo?

Because they like to shit on waluigi

As much as people hate it, cuts are probably going to happen, just not to this degree

>8 mario characters
>3 Pokemon

Kill yourself.

Zoomers are all about MEWANTMEWANTMEWANT and now Smash has the quantity, but no more quality. Third parties and ballots were a mistake. YOU brought stupid characters like sponge bob and banjo I

>music
I know this is probably bait, but how the FUCK, in any way, does more music = bad?

>only newcomers are some faggot from a game nobody cares about and another mario enemy

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>YOU brought stupid characters like sponge bob and banjo I
>sponge bob and banjo
>banjo
>when Banjo should have been there since the beginning

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Alright cutfags, give me a good reason why i should bother with the new smash if they won't bring everyone back again.
Why should i put money into a game that's just the same but with less content and will have a high probability of getting rid of my main(s)
why get the new game when there's a high chance it won't have my favorite stages?
If they can't bring 90% of the cast and stages back then i see no reason why we should have a new smash, just make ultimate live up to it's name and be the ultimate smash game

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>Cuts Pac-man
>Keeps fucking Banjo

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Remember when no one played brawl because it was missing mewtwo and roy?

>me want me want me want zoomers crying again, and it’s not even an official roster

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I agree. they never cut enough and then they add dumb shit

brawl was not melee with less content you cock gobbler

wow.... I sure do love all of the content Ultimate has. Garbage single player mode. Classic mode.... No real unlockables..... Yeah, good content.

>Cut the two most fun Pokemon reps for Kantowank
Shameful. Gren and Roar are joys to use.

But smash 6 will be?

as long as they cut shitty characters no one will care and luckily for them over half the roster is shit

Don’t cwy banjies, at least you have your switch po-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH HAHAHAHA

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>Greninja
Yes
>Incineroar
No

I wouldn't waste my data cap for this shit

Was Arms even a successful game? I haven't heard anything about it since release- surely it doesn't deserve a slot alongside the likes of Splatoon?

>he doesn't enjoy styling on people with Tiger Stan Hansen
So many Banjos forget you can grab Wonderwing.

>Keeping Banjo Kazooie and King K Rool.
Based. Just do me a favor and add either Geno, Krystal and Waluigi in the mix then we're talking

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My fellow Xbox 360 chad, I'm pretty sure that'll get ported sometime soon. If that should ever happen.
If it should ever happen, let's remind those Nintentoddlers the REAL exclusive they'll never get their hands on.

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>All these cuts
Here’s a question, if all these characters are going to be cut, what would be done with the extra development time? If they would ever cut down the roster that much they’d have to really shake up the gameplay or else it will sell like shit and you know it

>Krystal

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Cut:
Bayonetta
Spring Man
Charizard (Single)

Add in:
Pokémon Trainer (Full Character)
Ike
Snake
Simon
Lucario
Palutena
Wolf

And we’re good.

Also
>Inb4 cutfags are the worst

I hope you know if another Smash is made this is going to happen right?

Rode the Switch launch hype then immediately cratered

Probably slotted into the Nintendo Vault indefinitely. Also Xenoblade absolutely warrants a second character even though I think it’s deeigns are terrible

Why do Smash retards hate Spring Man? Sakurai already stated that he Rex(?) would have made it in if he was aware of their games.

here's your smash 6 roster bro

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Kill yourself retards, it sold over 2 million copies. That and Shitoon were the only Nintendo IP made this decade that managed to sell over 1 million because you retards didn't buy any of the other games.

>other games

If this was 2004ish I’d agree with you

Nintendo made lots of terrible, small video games and a failed grab at recapturing the Wii era when they weren’t turning the usual screws on MarioPokemonZelda this decade

Xenoblade and Fire Emblem becoming long running franchises for them was cool though

>King Boo and Rosalina, but no Bowser Jr.
Sorry sempai, I can't back this
Cuts are inevitable, but I doubt they're going to be this drastic, especially if they reuse assets from previous games.
That said Ultimate really did focus on the roster and stages compared to previous games.
>World of Light Mode is basically Spirit Board, which is basically Event Match with less variety
>Classic Mode has set runs for each character, which is cute at first, but no randomization like Melee/3DS
>The only platforming segments are the linear Race to the Finish and Galeem/Dharkon, hich requires you to finish WOL.
>Unique bosses in Classic Mode are pointless since so few characters have them while everyone else just fights MH and CH. It'd be a bit better if they did something similar to DK where it's them at New Donk, but no.
>On that note, no Superboss like Master Core
I miss Crazy Orders guys.

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even if Spring man was in the next smash, his assist trophy would be replaced with Min Min, or gone entirely. Even then, I could see them making Min Min an echo fighter/alternate costume since her and Spring Man have very similar body types.

What about Ribbon Girl?

They would be able to actually balance out the tier list lol

So uhhhh... Zelda turns into Sheik now, right?

Min Min won Nintendo's "most popular ARMS character" tournament, so I doubt they'd choose Ribbon Girl over her

Brawl had a larger character line up than Melee though in spite of cuts, with many newcomers including big names that were still missing like Wario, Dedede, Meta Knight and Pokemon Trainer.

There aren't really missing big names like that anymore outside of some third party stuff.

fucking King Boo, actual retardation

Nah, they wouldn't. Ultimate is better balanced than Brawl and Wii U in spite of having a larger line up.

Really, this whole "CUTS!" mentality to me only can come from Capcom fans.

They're the only people that eat up drastically reduced line ups with no complaints due to Street Fighter 3 almost killing their series after doing this stupidity.

Holy shit, now this is a based and soulpilled roster.

This will be the Smash 6 roster.

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>Mahvel vs Nintendo
When?

>Why should i put money into a game that's just the same but with less content
Funny you say that considering Ultimate has less content than Smash 4 or Brawl, as it does have a big roster but - that's it.

You realize most of the music is ripped from other games? It's sterile as fuck.

The only real choice is Zelda.

Meta Knight was a literal who at the time, dude was only in 2 Kirby games at the time, replace him with Diddy Kong at least.

Oh wow we don’t get some shitty bootleg Mario Party mode. What a loss.

It’s a good thing you can adjust how often certain music plays and not just want everything cut like an autistic child

>smash run
>target test
>masterpieces
>master orders
>crazy orders
>custom online tournaments
at least try next time

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I’ll buy the new smash if Ridley is still in it

He also was in some spin-offs. And, really, at the time, Super Star was a big fan favorite and yet was seemingly ignored by the Kirby platformers that came up afterwards. There was a huge demand for more Super Star related stuff.

also
>board the platforms
>break the targets
>an actual way to upload replays on youtube
>an actual all star smash
>boss battle mode

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Melee was basically a product of its time. We will never get a Smash as good as Melee ever again. Not even talking competitively.

>gameplay is great for both hardcore and casual fans alike
>items are all fun without being too whacky or OP
>stages are generally all fun to play on with the exception of like Icicle Mountain
>god tier soundtrack with basically every song being a new remix
>all kinds of trophies, many from games that were like 15-20 years old at the time, and many made entirely for Melee
>game modes like Break the Targets tailored to each character

Smash is honestly too big for its own good and we expect much from it now. Starting with Brawl they've been ripping shit from other games, and it's very apparent in Ultimate. WoL is basically a modded Smash Tour. It's not necessarily a bad thing considering how game development works in the modern age, but it's quite a contrast compared to Melee.

Isabelle would be in over Villager

>Springman and King Boo are the ONLY new offerings
First Party elitists are genuinely mentally ill

Dixie is the single passable first party inclusion remaining. Cope harder

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>smash run
Can’t even interact with other players. Misses the point of what even made air ride fun.
>target test
Only good mode listed here. A fun little diversion but not really the heart of the game.
>masterpieces
Who in the ever loving fuck gives a shit about playing 2 minute long demos of shit you can just emulate?
>master orders
>crazy orders
After unlocking everything there is zero reason to go back to these.
>custom online tournaments
Nobody played this.

IMAGINE WANTING LESS CONTENT

>Can’t even interact with other players. Misses the point of what even made air ride fun.
So, rather than doing so, just throw it in the trash?
>After unlocking everything there is zero reason to go back to these.
Master Orders maybe, but Crazy Orders was a better Classic Mode than the actual Classic Mode.

>Ultimate doesn't have literally every single mode of every game in the series combined

Wow what a shit game.

>Nobody played this
you have to be joking

He's out

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>Nobody played this.

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Cutfags are mentally ill, they probably think every Mario game after 3 is shit because they didn’t bring back the card matching game.

>Asagi
>Spends all the time getting smashed

i wasnt saying that ultimate is bad because of every mode not being in the game, although you can't deny that ultimate removed pretty much staples in the smash series. like the target tests, and masterpieces, there's literally no fucking way that they could add back every mode, but shit like target test and crazy orders wouldn't be that hard to add back, especially since it's been proven that ultimate started development right after 4 and even had some of the game's code in the files.

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I feel like Fire Emblem deserves representation though, but only in the form Of Marth and Ike no one else.

>Sakurai says "everyone is here" won't happen again
>retards think this means 30+ characters get cut

>lucario and palutena

Yikes

Meh. Most of Smash Wii U's content was just repackaged stuff.

Classic mode completely random with most of the early matches pushing free for alls with large number of characters, making everything feel repetitive. The only modifiers were team, metal and giant, which had been recycled since Melee.

And then you got those same modifiers applied to Master and Crazy Orders, just with a time attack element added to Crazy Orders.

All Star mode... just following Brawl's model aside from the specific character order.

Stadium mode came straight from Brawl with no changes aside from making the enemies Miis...and making the break the targets even worse since now you just fired a bomb rather than move around the stage to break them.

Event mode was actually good though, bringing more match modifiers than in the Brawl version.

Then you had Smash Board which was a total bust. Too random for serious play, too complex to be viable with casual players. They should have designed actual mini-games playable with the Smash movesets for a pseudo Mario Party.

Trophies were mostly recycled models like in Brawl, but there were a couple of unique ones too, and the camera edit options were better than in Brawl too.

Ultimate gives us a big campaign mode with World of Light - yes, many matches just carry on generic modifiers, but then you also have some with unique set ups, like a stage where you need to defeat enemies as they land, characters with temporary modifiers or that one where you have a very low time to defeat enemies in waiting for you in specific areas of Great Cave Offensive - also auto assist summons, something kept for events previously. We lost trophy and descriptions, but the Spirit Matches often are designed with very specific references like the Dark Matter one.

Numbers of bosses is back up again.

Classic mode with character specific gimmicks, opponents and stages.

New All Star survival mode (it sucks though, yeah).

Improved stage editor.

Link or zelda

Are you having a stroke?