Why can't the West into mech designs?

The west is obsessed with realism.

One is made to fit with more traditional military while other is for solo fights
But both are great and east vs. west bullshit should be out of mechs

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honestly i like mechwarrior designs more than designs like gundam and such.

ive never really been into mechs in the first place but if i had to pick, id go for bulky looking non humanoid designs with big fuckoff weapons than sleek humanoid looking robots

Mechs are fucking retarded to begin with. There's nothing to gain from making machines two-legged and walking upright. Smart folk prefer six or eight legged tanks for superior terrain traversal and damage redundancy.

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>slightly

What humanoid mech could withstand a full Direstar?

This. How autistic do you have to be to love one but shit all over the other.

Id assume between muh realism and the MCU everybody is into power suits more than mechas

Yeah but mechs are cooler

Man i'm fucking tired of seeing this opinion all the time. There are plenty of ways a mech could be useful. Right now they aren't viable with our current technology but they probably will be someday. Will they have the insane abilities and capabilities they have in video games and anime? Of course not, but that doesn't mean there is no way for them to be useful.

Western design
>a mech is a tool

Eastern design
>a mech is an extension of yourself

That's really the source of major differences. If it's a tool, it doesn't need to look like you at all, it just has to look like a tool you could use.

left is in no way realistic

I played a mech game when I was young, I'm pretty sure it was on the ps2 and one of the early missions was defending a space shuttle pad while it launched. I can't for the life of me remember it.

Tankfags are just the fucking worst.

Are you actually thinking of the Arcbird from Ace Combat?

>There are plenty of ways a mech could be useful.
Name one that's not better served either by a wheeled vehicle or by a more-legged vehicle.

>not real mech

What is a direstar?

gungriffon blaze

Holy fucking shit you're a God. Was it actually good? I remember it being amazing but I was tasteless.

Basically any mech that has jetpacks but is not a plane is better than your tanks.

There’s usually an in-universe explanation for them. Gundam has minovsky particles, Muv Luv has laser-class, etc.

Because there is no realistic mech design. Mechs are utterly retarded as a vehicle if they aren't insanely mobile, made out of super materials, and powered by libido. Anything less than that is just a sitting duck for ICBMs, drones, over the horizon railguns, and all sorts of other shit. We already have smart bombs that are designed to deploy bomblet clusters to target and destroy entire tank divisions at once. Mechwarrior is just as unrealistic as any Gundam.

hard to say, it was short, only six missions, but it was kind of fun, especially that greece level.

>west: let's make the mechs look somewhat realistic and heavily armed
>east: ching chong giant metal man with spikes on everything

>let's make the mechs look somewhat realistic

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>somewhat realistic
Pfffft

>muh realism
i have no idea why you faggots think west is into realism with mech design. its just as ridiculous as the east just without the arms holding guns.

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How the fuck does somebody not know how to spell the word "borrow"?

>remotely
>somewhat
Not even close, in fact Western ones are less realistic because they don't often take place in the high-tech settings needed to justify mechs

>west: let's make the mechs look somewhat realistic
>realistic
Yeah, alright mate.

look at op's pic and tell me which one is based more on reality you dumb weeb
>somewhat

Any mechs with high mobility ?

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>look somewhat realistic
holy shit lad

>west example was stolen from 70s and 80s mecha anime

That's not a very accurate comparison. Dunno about other western IPs but in battletech mechwarriors use a special helmet called the neurohelmet that basically uses the wearer's innate sense of balance to help keep the mech upright. A mechwarrior can make their mech do some pretty crazy martial arts type shit once the neurohelmet has a good read on the pilot's brainwaves. Of course it's not exactly the same as the Mecha concept of "being" the mech but it's very similar.

>its just as ridiculous as the east just without the arms holding guns.
>it's as ridiculous
yes because giant arms holding giant guns totally doesn't make it even less realistic

None of them, they're both fictional depictions of machines that could not possibly exist in the real world. The fact that one has bird legs and rocket launchers instead of arms and the other has wings and arms that hold future rifles doesn't make either one even "somewhat" realistic.

>east
Based design philosphy, recognizes giant humanoid machines as a ridiculous concept for children so their goal is to make them cool looking super heroes.

>west
HURR DURR MUH REALISM MUH GRITTY MILITARY MACHINES

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Neither of them. Sure it's not a giant spiky man dual-wielding SMGs, but Battletech isn't any more realistic just because very few of its designs use hands.

Based Moustache Zaku

A tank with "jetpacks" would still be better than a mech for whatever goofy application you can think up, you fucking mongoloid. Hell, a helicopter would be better, and cheaper, and actually viable to produce.

>MILITARY
that pic is clearly for construction you idiot

When the fuck is from going to make another armored core

East
>looks cool
>all mechanical parts make sense
>every piece of the mech is substantial, no unneeded parts
>perfect mobility
>amazing combat capabilities, can even pick up guns and swords dropped by enemy mechs with same hand design
West
>HUURRRRR I MAEK SHIT ROBOT DESIGN FOR EASIER TOY MANUFACTURING

>meaningful armor
>flight
pick one and only one

Isn't left just Sonic Adventure 2?

what kind of construction job needs the fucking heavy machine gun mounted over an open cockpit?

hard mode: no third world hellhole

user, I'm talking about design. Gundam has the same shit. The difference is in how they approach design. In Western Mecha design a mech is just a tool a pilot uses interchangeably with other tools or mechs. In eastern mecha a pilot usually just uses one mech that's designed as an extension of themselves (e.g. matching "outfits" and color schemes). The mechas themselves are designed as characters.

Real mechs would be upscaled power armor and/or construction equipment.

I like the BF2142 walkers because
>THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD

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Anyone trying to defend a fighting vehicle with a glass cockpit as realistic is out of his goddamn mind.
Battletech goes for a completely unrealistic aesthetic just like Armored Core does, it's just that people confuse "clunky" with "realistic".

>>all mechanical parts make sense
>>every piece of the mech is substantial, no unneeded parts
lmao

The obvious advantage of an upright mech is that if you could control it through neural links or something like that, a hominid form factor would be the most natural for a human pilot to naturally maneuver.

>no arms
>no katana
no honoru

Why do people even think that bird legs are somehow more realistic? The mech doesn't fly for long periods of time so there's literally no point in giving it legs that were evolved to fold under the body for long flights. They're actually WORSE for supporting heavy weight and walking around than the ones on the right.

>they're both equal
>this one may have the exact shape of a human just so that it can hold unnecessary giant guns and look cool but no bro they're the same
why do weebs refuse to compare things accurately and fairly
it's almost as if years of watching hentai has turned them into, dare i say it, combrains

anime mechs are literally underage edgelord tryhard level bullshit design, it's ridiculous in a childish way, not even a happy childish way, just an autistic childish way.

sad

>Why can't the West into mech designs?
Because the West wants "muh realism."
At least the West has it right if there's any fucking hope of a real-life mech.

How can westernfags defend themselves from this one?

This.

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Left is infinitely more realistic than the right to the extent that it could actually be built with current tech

you never know when aliens will come to tear down your new building

Are you even responding to the right posts or are you just being butthurt and obtuse? Nobody said they were the same, just that neither of them are realistic. Mecha don't have to be realistic to be cool, stop being stupid.

Realistically it makes sense to have giant robots have 4 legs instead of 2 because of balance etc.

>What is the A10 or B29?

>all mechanical parts make sense
>every piece of the mech is substantial, no unneeded parts
Is this your first fucking day here, user?
Do you have any idea what it takes to make a mech like OP's work?

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trying to reason with weebs is like trying to reason with flat earthers or anti-vaxers, they will deny any form of reasoning.

low iq

What parts of the design are easier to manufacture on the left one vs right?
Assuming you aren't taking into account the inner workings of either because both of them work on space magic.

Masamune Shirow, stop posting and actually make some damn manga again.

Man I still think Metal Gear Ray looks cool.

Did Kojima make all the mech designs in later Metal Gear Solids? He made the ones in Zone of the Enders, right? I really like the mechs from those games.

Is it glass? Could it not be some sort of reinforced super-strong plastic or something? It's already wildly unrealistic; it's not beyond my suspension of disbelief to accept that they might have some sort of very strong clear materials to act as windows.

Yes
It CAN be built
and yet it isn't! Why do you think that is?

How about a mech that can switch between legs and wheels?

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>draw a metal dude in armor
>...
>draw a metal dude in armor but make him huge
>AH SUGOI MECHA DESIGN FROM GRORIUS NIPPON DESU NE

Are there ANY good games with tanks?

IF IT AINT NINE BALL I DONT WANT IT

>and yet it isn't! Why do you think that is?
because tanks > shitty mechs, bitch

It was Yoji Shinkawa, not Kojima who made both.

yes

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That west one looks awfully familiar...

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Doesn't matter because they both could wreck a tank in a 1v1 fight

It absolutely could not. It's canonically 170,000 pounds or heavier depending on variant and moves at over 30 miles an hour. It would literally be stuck in the ground up to its knees by its second step. It runs on a fucking portable nuclear fusion engine, and we're still struggling with fission, much less making it portable. It has bird legs. There's literally nothing realistic about it.

Giant mechs that almost exactly resemble knights when?
They could exist because the world deems other warmachines to be dishonorable and heavily suppresses their production.

Imagine thinking some tank with legs looks more based than this

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DID SOMEBODY SAY CLAN HELL'S HORSES

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For me, it's Aaliyah.

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Thanks!

I'd always associated all that art with Kojima but now I have a new artist to look into.

I guess it's a little embarrassing that I haven't looked into it but I played those games when I was way younger so I guess I never figured it out.

And that's a good thing

>tfw no mecha-gameplay style sim game featuring futuristic walking tanks
welp, time to learn unity I guess

Exactly, if we actually want to consider realism, all mechs are inferior to tanks and immediately and totally out of the window. The only way they can ever approach 'realism' is with ridiculously specific setting technology that is essentially magic, so you might as well just make them cool looking and fun to use and not think about anything else.

>talking shit about CATAPULT
Suck all 30 of my LRMs you triple nigger

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both are good in their own way

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No biggie, he's real good. He made a model kit recently for Frame Arms, it looks basically like the MGSV Metal Gear.

Nothing wrong with battletech
nothing

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Longtime Mecwarrior/Battletch fan here:

The square-cube law fucks mechs (bipedal ones especially) at nearly every turn, from force exerted by mechanisms to ground pressure.
Then there is the problem of having something so fucking tall. Modern main battle tanks are low profile for a very good reason.

I love mech games as much as the next guy, but multi-story mechs aren't remotely realistic and never will be.

right looks retarded like everything made by japs desu

mechs are just worse version of scifi tanks

That'a almost exactly the plot of Five Star Stories

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Warhams has some pretty good mechs, its a shame you can only use knights in DOW 3 and a phone game.

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Western mechs feel like vehicles, eastern mechs just feel like you're playing as a giant human if that makes sense. Way too much eastern mecha is basically just fantasy magic swordfights with a sci-fi skin slathered on top.

company of heroes

>A10
>Only a small reinforced area, capable of withstanding 23mm i.e. obsolete autocannon fire

Try again

>B29
>Limited coverage for crew only against sub-20mm munitions

0/2 see me after class

Sci-fi tanks are boring

It's hard to beat some of the classics.

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Source on the right one?

White Glint and Exia are the sexiest mechs ever made. Prove me wrong

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
TO NEVER TELL THE TRUTH
BUT THE REALITY IS
I'M GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER

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>west mechs
>walking buildings that exist just to house more/bigger weaponry
>east mechs
>big people
hmm

mech are just as boring to be honest with you family

Direwolf with full PPC loadout
youtube.com/watch?v=0DDbUa916bA

That's a nice design you have here, would be a shame if something were to happen to it.

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Guessing Daemon x Machina. I wanna know the parts.

Fuck, kojima is so good at marketing himself he takes credit for every bit of work. Modesty really doesn't pay.

Completely different design principles and philosophies, you can't just say one of those is "good" and the other's "bad". They're not really even in the same category.

Mechs make more sense as biological/genetically modified beasts wearing armor than actual machines.

that's clearly armored core you CASUALS

Armored Core For Answer
armoredcore.fandom.com/wiki/Lilium_Wolcott

eva is trash

You're not wrong. Granted I was like 14 when I played those games and I barely used the internet but I definitely thought he was an awesome artist.

He had me all this time

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Is it worth getting? Tried the demo and played a ton of armored core back in the day.

name 1 (one, singular) advantage two legs have over continuous track

Nagano lost his fucking mind with these.

It's time you took the quadruped pill

It's Yoji Shinkawa you should praise. I got his pacific rim poster a while back, still love it.

Imperial Knights just hit that mecha sweet spot for me. I too wish the vidya they were in weren't shit.

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As opposed to giant cars that can carry an unrealistic amount of missiles?

I unironically like GM KOG.

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t. butthurt weeb
both are stupid but one at least attempts to fit itself within the realm of possibility rather than just be another stupid 'giant metal man' japanese piece of shit

You can kick fools with them.
You may be able to jump.
Potentially better fall absorption.
You can walk up stairs.

>his mech doesn't have four legs
explain yourselfs

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I think these both look cool in their own way, unironically. OP is a cocksucker

>attempts
and fails catastrophically, so why bother at all?

Japs win once again!

I've loved his work for a long time and I am now properly praising.

I kind wish he did more than Metal Gear Solid, Zone of the Enders, and Left Alive (I was sad about that one).

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What are some essential mecha games, Yea Forums?

It's really disappointing that the only way to scratch your warhammer mech itch is to play a mod for a game that's almost 12 years old

We should have never reached this point

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Despite Japan have the best examples of mech designs the majority of them are just weab looking suits of future armor with jets on the limbs and cool looking but infeasible weapons.

>justify mechs
is there a justification at all

>his mech doesn't carry 250mm cannons

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West is more practical

East is too anime

>HUURRRRR I MAEK SHIT ROBOT DESIGN FOR EASIER TOY MANUFACTURING
The joke is that this applies equally to Japanese design. Merchandising is always where the money is, east or west, so you gotta sell those plastic models.

nah

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I think both are dumb in their own ways, who has a nice fusion of the two? The Titanfall mechs were actually a pretty cool mix.

Brigador, Phantom Crash, Heavy Gear, Metal Wolf Chaos. Those are the ones I've played anyway.

I'd also suggest Chromehounds, despite the game's multiplayer being gone and Titanfall 2 even when it's an FPS.

Centrism is where it's at.
Titans hit EXACTLY the sweetspot.

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>trying to sow division among mech fans

You'll be the first lined up against the wall when the revolution happens.

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I know what you did there.

At least post an image that refutes the claim. Why did the manufacturer of that waste all those materials just to bulk it down to make it slower and a bigger target without adding armor? What scifi magic powers his knife to make it formidable against similarly sized adversaries?

>You may be able to jump.
>Potentially better fall absorption.
With simple hydraulics cont. track can do that as well.

>You can walk up stairs.
Possible as is.

The real question is what advantages any of these have over hovering in air.

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They aren't mechs.

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I like both, mechwarrior got me into mecha.

Jap mech design is incredibly varied. A lot of classic western mech were drawn by japs.
Just look around and choose what you like.

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High IQ bait

I like my mech big, slow hunks of metal.

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Mechs are fantasy monsters for sci-fi, just deal with it. The fact they're unrealistic is the point, you gonna argue dragons are unrealstic next?

this.

I like both for different reasons

Call it whatever you want. Not many properties even calls its giant robos 'mechs'. They're titans in Warhammer, hounds in Chromehounds, etc.

How does it even corroborate his claim?

>Why did the manufacturer of that waste all those materials just to bulk it down to make it slower and a bigger target without adding armor?
Because Giant Robots are primarily made to look cool in FSS universe.

>What scifi magic powers his knife to make it formidable against similarly sized adversaries?
It just werks. Also the other guys are using swords too.

Is this the perfect balance of East and West Mech design philosophy?

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If we keep it vidya, Armored Core V and VD have designs that are pretty fucking squatty and look like a pile of junk, but they're a bit overdesigned and the weapons look oversized. Weapon size is probably a gameplay design choice though.

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I like Hambrabi.

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mecha =/= 'mech
the west invented mechs
and the west continues to produce the best (and worst) mechs
because the east does not make mechs

>Stalker
High quality bait

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It's literally a japanese design. But you know that

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two legs is a lot more maneuverable

Isn't that just Dougram with a slightly different head?

I think that Warhammer gets the idea of western mechs right.

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I take a MAD CAT over a flashy thin paper modern weeb mech design all day user.
Atleast Btech mechs has Artificial Muscles and moves like lifelike creatures.

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The story is confusing as shit but it's fun.

step aside

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>Man i'm fucking tired of seeing this opinion all the time. There are plenty of ways a mech could be useful. Right now they aren't viable with our current technology but they probably will be someday.

The problem is our destructive capability far outstrips our defensive capability. It doesn't matter how many inches of armour you have on your mech when the other side could just shoot a tungsten rod down at it from outer-space with the force of several hundred tons of TNT.

Left - "What if mechs existed?"
>Actual mech
>Could feasibly exist
>A machine of function
Right - "DUDE BIG GUNS LMAO"
>Can never exist
>Is just a glorified knight in armor, but it lacks the sleek design of a knight
>Ugly and overdesigned
>It's basically just a giant human and uses scaled up versions of human weapons

>that arm shape
Did any of the battletech artists even know how to draw, let alone design?

West see mechs as machinery and construction vehicles.
East seems mechs as an extension of the pilot.

B-but it doesn’t look cool and that reason just makes it even more stupid to look it.

Interesting.

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>western devs spontaneously reinvent eastern-style mecha after only growing up with western mechs
lol

I love tf2 though, shame about the third one. Wasn't the first one going to be republished as f2p? I guess that fell through too once Apex Legends took off.

The problem with Gothicmades isn't the mechanical design of the frame, is the fact that Nagano massively standardized it among the GMs, unlike MH being pretty distinct and having different frames.
GMs all boil down to a slightly different chassis put on the same exact frame, the only things that change being a bunch of armor plating, most of which is still largely similar outside of different geometrical decorations.

GMs are pretty great and have a very original frame design (despite Nagano wasting most of it when it comes to choreography), the problem is that once you see one GMs you've basically seen all of them, this doesn't happen with MH, even in the later era of MH design, a Phantom Mirage looks nothing like an Ashura Temple, but there's very little difference between GM Led Mirage and GM KoG.

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They're both cool, and if you can't appreciate both you are no true /m/an

>just get into mwo
>find this guy
>he has not uploaded anything in 2 years

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those things could get soloed by some guy with a ap mcg some jamers and like 2 decis.

Well. least after all the nerfs.

post a lam next, or maybe the original cavalier.

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its explained In universe why, also pre Flying debris designs were literal alien since many industries were trying to reinvent and rediscover the wheel after the 1st 2 succession wars.
>youtube.com/watch?v=DRWUkq_R6Os
Read more about Btech lore user, it puts all of UC into shame of how retarded mankind were in that setting.
and how much power they gave to Jewish Space AT&T-Comcast

Post kino mecha design.

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gimme West, but with a quadruped mobility system
gunforts > chicken legs

I think both of them have their unique charm to them.

UC was good until Unicorn happened

What about WW1 era mechs?

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Nah, titans just look off like some kind of bastard child of necrons and orcs. They don't look functional or humanoid.

Thanks, it's the one AC gen I didn't play, I thought it would be AC but this style of render is wierd

youtube.com/watch?v=_bDW5CBnnyo&list=PLR5zhFCFVb9Ul5DLGzgQ6k4OeYjy2daZ3 love how this guy talks about battletech

I like a mix of the two somewhat like Armored Core 5 but mechs in that game were way too slow.

What's with the knee handles?

based spider mechs

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>tfw building my first model kit
It's the VF-31J, it's fucking cool.

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>western mechs are just tools, eastern mecha are an extension of the pilot!
Where did this even come from? Which dipshit started this stupid quote? Even in the most romantic series it's a basic mecha cliche to have a mid-season mecha swap.

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Mechs are inherently unrealistic, so why not just accept the weird?

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>Thinking the Jap design is good

Yikes, my dude.

would you play a game with girls with gundam armor, Yea Forums?

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>guhhhhhhhhhhhhh buhhhhhhhhhhhhh gurhghhhhhhhhhhh my weebtrash is the only thing that comes out of japan

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Honestly, in some areas I'd say eastern mecha is a bit more realistic than western mechs. The generic colorful samurai gundam designs are absolutely retarded yeah, but a mech having hands and being able to just hold a weapon as opposed to having it built into the mech itself is a lot more practical. With hand held weapons the mech pilot could either just reload the weapon himself or just ditch it for a new weapon. They don't need engineers to remove the weapons or reload for them. They can pick shit up, grapple, and it makes getting up a lot easier than if you were in say, a Catapult mech or some other mech with either no or really awkward arms. Going back to the catapult, good luck getting away if you get a leg blown off. A mech with arms could just crawl to safety.

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where did it all go wrong?

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Why not both?

If one day we ever get a Btech series, i feat for the director who tries to do all of the senseless Bloodshed that the 1st 2 Succession wars were.
It was Literally 1 Operation British and WW1 per hour, because all houses didn't wanted the other getting any type of advantage.

Even the knowledge of making instant food was almost lost.

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Pinnacle

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AVATAR READY

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>Damage Redundancy
breaks 1 leg

Tires are just better, or hovering, you can replace a tire for cheap and easy unlike an entire mech leg

Agreed, the protomech designs in particular are absolutely perfect

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>comparing franxx to TTGL as if TTGL didn't have a scene almost exactly like that where simon is in the mech with yoko's giant tits on his face

if you dont play Walkure music while building it, youre not doing it right! soundcloud.com/user-485762977/macross-delta-ikenai-borderline

Tell me exactly how one "into"s design for something that functionally cannot exist.

>controls for the mecha built into the suit of a non-pilot
but why? I mean fanservice, sure, but why in canon?

baited

>builds mech to look like a lizard
>blows up leg
>it grows back
Everyone overlooks the potential of reptile mechs

Replace 1995 with something better user
youtube.com/watch?v=BAaVtyUfyx8

and put 1998 with this
youtube.com/watch?v=qaJw6lqGFew

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You have to connect your body/nervous system to the mech to pilot it and it's too complicated for any one person to pilot it alone without dying from information overload. So it's divided into two levels and one pilot handles each one and has to be in sync with the other to move and fight.

WEAPONS PRIMED

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>duh western design more realistic!
>not realizing that realistically a bipedal mech would never be made because it's entirely inferior to a normal-ass tank

I'm not the only one who remembers Zoids, right?

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Of course I am, got the Trap and Attack albums playing on repeat.

Also been playing Uta Macross recently too. God I fucking love Mikumo.

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West looks better.

>1995
>Eva Rebuild

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Maybe.

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You mean where did it all go rigiht

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So mysterious!

zoids are amazing and I wish I could buy some now but they are FUCKING expensive

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>Big Mantis Energy

I was actually talking about Zoids with someone recently, and they just would not believe that it existed

so jaegers, but sexier? cool.

very intriguing

i find it interesting that europeans are meant to be creative and asians uncreative
and yet european mecha design is rather bland and typical whereas asian mecha design is crazy and wacky

is there any other gundam game that has a better OST than the endless duel game?
youtube.com/watch?v=CdhZBPNQ_kM
youtube.com/watch?v=erOHrIXSTGc
youtube.com/watch?v=YEAuwJpGm8g

>implying the timberwolf didnt better than any mecha trash

user, Tanks lacks mobility, and no one has invented Hover Tech Like Battlezone 98 did, which had mechs blowing said tanks because of heavier weaponry shoved into them.
youtube.com/watch?v=Q255hmAh27Y

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Nothing wrong with either. Eadt is pure rule of cool. It what we wish giant robots could be, but physics. West is what giant robots WOULD be, but practicality.

The truth, is giant robots are expensive, impractical, glaringly obvious targets. They would serve no purpose but to throw away money, time, and materiel.

the difference here is "mech" versus "mecha"
mechs are cool, and aren't that far out of our range of technology. this is sci-fi shit, which the west is perpetually enamored with.

mechas are cool i guess if you're into that although personally i think they look fucking gay most of the time, and they're not realistically attainable at all. it's borderline fantasy shit, which the east is perpetually enamored with.

actual mech:
youtube.com/watch?v=3ldJswGpkjY

actual mech testing a shitty little paintball cannon:
youtube.com/watch?v=KjViDItdp00

if any military ever decided they wanted to make real, working combat mechs, they'd be able to. they just wouldn't look anything like mechas.

this is why the west uses the mech designs that they do: we like realism.

Man I loved zoids as a kid. I kinda wanna go rewatch those series now. Damn shame it started dipping off with Fuzors.

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>not posting best mech

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>A Nasty Surprise

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Can't argue against Exia, what a sexy beast

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tfw the first two zoids shows has some of the best anime cg, even by today's standards youtube.com/watch?v=WBInKJLfAiU

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I had this Zoids RPG game on GBA, shit was lit

I fail to see anything wrong with either of those designs.
There's room enough for both mechs as clunky war machines piloted by grease monkeys who are more expendable than their gear, and for mechs as giant suits of armor for the pure-hearted scientist's kid to fight the giant monster and save the day with.
that said, fuck off with mech hands if you're going for mechs that are more tanks on legs than giant armor

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Yes so long as at least one had the big physics tiddie

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Tanks are fucking retarded to begin with. There's nothing to gain from making machines slow, giant targets and breaking down. Smart folk prefer four legged cavalry for superior terrain traversal and damage redundancy.

-user, in 1914

as a kid i always thought it was fucking stupid. why would i watch zoids when gundam wing is clearly a better mech show?

it's so fluid

>MUH REALISM
When will westerners stop this deranged idea that every fiction has to be based on reality. This is the dumb basis for believing that Hogwarts is real and it exist, that 2D lolis are traced from 3D CP, that killing women in a videogame is actual violence against women, and that the word "trap" actualli kills 6 gorillion trannies a day.

The girl becomes the mecha, the boy handles everything else. Or something like that

The asexual gestapo elite squad who hates filthy hets, they have opposite positions.

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Basically an extension of a knight's armor.

2 things, if we ever get mechs, they will be used mostly for Construction, even Power Armor would be useful for workers on extreme conditions.
Also the Army would favor even more power armor than mechs, or even use both in combination.

>tanks
>slow

left: soul
right: souless

I wish there were more "Super Robot" games (that are not SRW).
I want a game where I can drive a ridiculous 70's style super robot.

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They were very very slow until after ww2

>but a mech having hands and being able to just hold a weapon as opposed to having it built into the mech itself is a lot more practical.
Do you have any idea how much pointless weight that adds? The damage that would occur from several tons of metal-on-metal contact between gun and hand? The fucking massive amounts of recoil each finger, wrist and elbow component would have to be resistant to?
>With hand held weapons the mech pilot could either just reload the weapon himself or just ditch it for a new weapon.
The sheer bulk and complexity of a portable weapon that can be reloaded mid-battle would massively impact ammo capacity to begin with. There's a good reason tanks don't just pop their turrets off and stick a new one on whenever the main gun runs out.
>They can pick shit up, grapple, and it makes getting up a lot easier than if you were in say, a Catapult mech or some other mech with either no or really awkward arms.
And tanks would be better suited to ramming if we stuck big ol' electrified spikes on them but we don't because a consistent rule with military vehicles is it's better to do one job really well in as tight a package as possible than to have one giant, bloated mess equipped to do a bit of everything "just in case". Sure, arms let you throw stuff and grab but you're simply better off ignoring such unlikely scenarios and focus the design on whatever situation it's meant to be in, not the one it might be in.
>Going back to the catapult, good luck getting away if you get a leg blown off. A mech with arms could just crawl to safety.
If you've already lost a leg it's unlikely crawling is going to do you much good.

I dropped FranXX that one pink haired girl's mecha transformed into a giant robot and literally grew a pair of tits and working mouth and eyes. Shit just struck me as way too fucking retarded. Kind of a shame though because the show's animation was actually really good.

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This thread lacks more assaults.

Post mech-fus

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They both have their unique charm to them, faggot.

Wahhh, so this is the power of redditor westernfags

its literally wearing sunglasses.

>
if any military ever decided they wanted to make real, working combat mechs, they'd be able to.
but they wont, because in reality mechs are fucking retarded
the first thing a military officer would think when seeing a mech is "look at that big, beatiful target" and not even touching the core design flaws of being just a tank but worse.

>franxx
how deep into NTR is this? i read like maybe 10+ chapters of the manga and there is already NTR with MC's childhood friend. i haven't read it since.

People LITERALLY said the same about tanks in WW1.

Which one was it? Only one I can find on the site is the 2017 White Tiger.

N-no bully

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>how deep into NTR is this?
>mc gets with the main girl who has always been attracted with him
what

DOWN WITH GDI!

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WHEN THE FUCK AM I GOING TO GET A NEW ARMORED CORE GAME, HUH? KONAMI, ARE YOU FAGS LISTENING? GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GET ME SOME GIANT FIGHTING ROBOTS YOU DIPSHITS.

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Buy dxm.

Quatro, Is that you?

I robotripped too much in high school. I'm not doing that shit again.

daemon x machina you clown

We've already been monkey paw'd into shit like Kancolle the "mecha musume" "game" and Busou Shinki & Frame Armor Girls, which are in-universe toys, which is a cop-out; mecha is already unrealistic so why not have a setting which has these beauties in actual combat armor or whatever?

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lmao whoever wrote/said that is a total fag

>We've already been monkey paw'd into shit like Kancolle the "mecha musume" "game"
sorry, what? What is that?

>new w40k game comes out
>its about the mechs from the w40k universe
>But its another turned-based game made by another indie studio.

>not running the A1

>They aren't Zombies they're Infected/Zeds/Walkers/Undead/Ghouls
basically the same retarded shit

Now post The other one

whats wrong with it user? gacha? i don't think anyone making a mecha musume game would be serious about it.

(You)

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wtf there's a new starsiege?

Was...

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>the virgin Real Robot mech
>pew pew pew pew i shoot my gun pew pew pew pew
>oh no i just got shot with a gun better explode now

>the chad Super Robot mech
>blows up an artificial star with a hammer using the power of courage

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what happened? I remember reading the manual for the first game on the shitter for so long my mom came up and asked if I was sick.

Its extremely frustrating, no good eastern mech games for PC rn and all the western ones are shit cubes on legs

The devs fell apart as originally it was meant to be a Tribes Vengeance mod. The devs however weren't getting the support they needed from Vivendi as such were forced to change engines despite being shorthanded in programmers. The game halted development soon after. I'm not sure if the info is accurate but you should get the idea.

Japs like everything to be a blur of quick SHIIIIING SHIIIIIIIIIING BLEEEUURRGH "action."
The West prefers thought and simulation

Quadvee's
Absolutely disgusting

>all the western ones are shit cubes on legs
Why don't you play shogo, titanfall, or heavy gear 2 then?

There is almost 0 merit to clunky battletech mecha design today.
It's only done because people in the west can't let their gaurd down and just enjoy something fictional without being afraid that by doing so they wont be considered "adult".
The "muh realism" mentality is what led to the waves of generic brown and grey shooters in the 7th gen and superhero films that try too hard to be edgy and mature.
Ironically those types of works often end up being more shallow than the "childish" media they try to separate themselves from.

Konami has nothing to do with ac

The west can't into aesthetics

Imagine not being able to appreciate giant robots in all their varied forms and aesthetics

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The western one looks way better though

>thought and simulation
From mecha games larping as light war sims?
Might as well play Arma

Have you come to laugh at us?

GR8 tier mech design but the show itself was pretty garbage

>tfw I just finished watching War in the Pocket for the first time
It hurts

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Personally, I think Armored Core 4Answer is peak mecha aesthetics & gameplay.
But nothing wrong with feeling the sheer weight of a giant death machine with every step you take. I still remember playing Earthsiege II back in the day, good times.

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Some go too far, Quebly. Simplicity is where it’s at, see Trooper (pic related), Leo MS, and sometimes Zaku (Psycho is an exception).

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Of course.
Psycho-frame really does make anything look like shit and the Unicorn is the ultimate proof of that. Fuck that glowy bullshit noise.

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No I meant Psycho Zaku looks good. Mainly because of the weapons rack, and person piloting it. Which makes the design better.

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well yeah but what i meant to say you fucking braindead retard is that they would never look like the anime-ass mecha designs in japan
i wasn't saying we SHOULD make them, just that we can, and if we did, they'd look like western mech designs

you fucking absolute brainlet jesus christ way to miss the point

Nice cherry picking faggot

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Ok but is there conceivably anything that type of attack couldn't kill? Seems to me that would kill anything.

Never say never. Lots of the technology we use today was inconceivable a hundred years ago

muh realism

They tend to look like large childlike toys unless they're set next to humans for scale. then they can look pretty majestic.

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True. There's no denying we've come a long way with armor and engines.
However, nearly every advancement that would make a mech possible could, and would, be employed by conventional combat vehicles.

Even with a feather-weight structure and impossibly power-dense engine, even a relatively vertical mech will present a nice big target on the battlefield.
And weapons routinely overtake any advancements in armor.

what hypothetical level of technology would make a battlemech better than a super tank but also better than making a gundam instead?

>slow, bulky walker
>basically just a tank with five hundred times the amount of engineering going into it for no reason
There is literally no point to a "realistic" mech. Only animeshit mechs would be effective on any battlefield just by modern standards.

Reminder to play Border Break

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Mech and mecha is dead, get with the time grandpas

Why do zoomers hate mechs?

Mech genre is dead unfortunately

Based Syd Mead poster.

Squeenix may have murdered Front Mission again but Phantom Brigade is looking like a pretty quality successor, even if it's a bit lacking in the aesthetic department.

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Because there's not much to expose to the younger gen.
What do we have the last few years that is a bit popular? IBO....oh wait that's it.
I got into gundam because i have to dive into it myself, in this case Thunderbolt.
t.zommer

>love mecha,
>get into robotics
>get into engineering
>realize mechas aren't feasible
>realize that the closest thing to a realistic design that would work IRL, from all media ever made, are the fucking Orc Gargants from 40 K
fuck this.

>Hurr, Titans arent mechs because they are agile, can move fast and dodge.
Someone has clearly not watched anything /m/ related outside of Mechwarrior, Battletech or WH40k

Ring of Red, Ghost in the Shell.

I had Zoids before they were even CALLED Zoids as a kid.

Cookie if anyone remembers their original name

>user
>reading comprehension

IN CONTROL

You might not like this but some of those american mecs look pretty weeby with the only difference being the paint job.

The real traversal king is tentacles.

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If you ask me I say mech are gay! everyone knows power armor is where it's at.

user, I...

>West
>Blows up after taking three homing attacks to the the cockpit
Hold that L, Bigfoot.

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Reminder that in the lore (and the tabletop) Battletech mechs are quite agile and have what is essentially synthetic muscles beneath armor, and have the speed and flexibility for melee combat to be a thing.
They're just clunky bricks in the videogames because they didn't have the technology to do anything else back in '89 and it stuck

but user they're supposed to be the realistic mecha that's technologically feasible today! that's not very realistic at all.

who would win?
one walkie boi? or a 21st century drone?

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Is that Godannar?

Nah, that's dumb. When you're driving a car, you can actually feel like if the car was an extension of your body: you can feel the engine vibrations, you can recognize the sounds it makes, you can feel any bump in the road and you are aware of what your new dimensions are. A machine having a humanoid form isn't needed at all.

Just seems like "realistic" vs fantastical designs to me. Neither is really shittier than the other and the only differences asides from the glaring ones in design i see is the ability for a game to have more over-the-top or tank-y combat based the aforementioned.
This

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I think TF has some pretty cool mechs for a western game. May not be the best but they're still cool

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I am in every way but physical, a mech

Why do the West keep putting chicken legs on everything? like 80% of their mechs have chicken legs or reverse legs

>designed the big fuck off mech to be countered by infantry and counter vehicles
What was the mindset there?

Mechs are inherently impractical to the point where nearly every fiction that utilizes them always creates some sort of fictional material or particle or energy source that exists solely to justify them. So there's seriously no meaning in making a mech "more realistic".

Why can't slants ever create a new design of mobile suits rather than strap on more shit to the original mobile suit? Seriously, what's up with those fucking bony wings and antennas? This is why nobody cares about mech shit anymore, because the new stuff is uglier than sin.

Ah excellent, a fresh thread to post to post rare mecha in.

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Unironically pic related, some retards have just deluded themselves into thinking otherwise.

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Neither of them are realistic
But the one on the left functioning as shown in the game is literally a worse weapon than currently existing tanks and other AFVs, whereas the one on the right blows them up like a tank mows down infantry.

My honest but feeling is that the Western culture is so sensitive to the mythical Frankenstein that even vague references to it in the form of an artificial humanoid triggers negative feelings toward it. Why else would the plain humanoid form be so rare, and always such a big deal whenever they do appear in Western media?

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*ewacs you*

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The chad British mech

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>history of mecha
History of babies first mecha shows for ironic weeb normalfaggots

>Left is realistic
>When original Metal Gear was already too unrealistic

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Lovely, underrated but never forgotten. Xabungle remembers and so does painter of your image whose name I keep forgetting.

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this, nips love generic moeshit even their mecha is like that.

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>literally guns for arms
>proportional and functional strong arms
everytime

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>Hating on based Catapult
Eat shit nerd

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If you want more chunky robot aesthetic then you can go with Frame Arms or any of the other series instead of Gundam.

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Man I love sci-fi.

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I can't see the future and I am not an engineer so I couldn't tell you. I'll say this much, when tanks first appeared in WW1 they were considered jokes but only two or three years later they became almost unstoppable nightmare machines. I think with only a cursory glance at history it becomes pretty obvious that humans are pretty good at making these kinds of ridiculous ideas into reality.

100% Western
100% Real

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That bait has been posted already, dumbass.

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>Implying I'm going to read hundreds of posts are just tankfags seething, mechwarrior fans seething etc
All I want to do is talk about mechs but it's hard

>uses a design from the western FM game
Spoiled it

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Being impossible now doesn't really mean it'll always be impossible. If this long period of peace the world is in continues then you might be right, but who knows.

This is a really cool humanoid design desu

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>not using a mech that is both a western walker AND a japanese toy
cowards

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IIRC, in both those settings, mechs were originally developed as heavy-duty space construction craft and only later retrofitted as combat craft

I never got the
>LE EASTERN MECHS ARE UNREALISTIC
arguement. Western mechs are literally walking tanks which are fucking pointless. While I think mechas are sometimes overdesigned, the idea of a mech basically being a large exo-suit mimacing a human's movements seems way more realistic and useful than a walking tank.

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Are you suggesting we will be able to bend the laws of physics?
Or that a 50 foot mech will be harder to hit than a 10 foot tall tank?

:^)

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Reminder that clunky and shit = practical, Japanese mechs are infinitely more practical fighting machines despite being technologically much more difficult to achieve thanks to their agility and versatility, no military would ever put any bullshit from battletech into production because they serve the same function as tracked and wheeled vehicles while being much more bulky, slow, complicated, unreliable, and expensive, but they might consider it if you gave them some high speed Armored Core shit.
Jap mecha try to scale up the versatility of the human body into an agile oversized suit of powered armor, therefore not trying poorly to fill the same niche as conventional vehicles.
Votoms, Patlabor, and front mission are more realistic than any western mecha.

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Agreed

Fuck your time, I'm here to talk to other people who can appreciate niche stuff. There's 17 trillion smash threads on this board for faggots like you so stick to those.

According to Battletech canon, battlemechs are piloted using a neural link, very similar to an Eva.
They are also supposed to move in a more organic manner than in the vidya.

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BIOMEEEECHS
what the fuck is that kitbash though jesus christ look at the fucking spaced armor straight off a pz4

Thank you, you basically said what I was trying to except way more elegant and comprehensible

>Border Break
Oh shit I saw people this in akiba, never knew what it was called though.

Do you really think we'll never be capable of that?
>Or that a 50 foot mech will be harder to hit than a 10 foot tall tank?
No, but I can imagine plenty of scenarios where being hit doesn't matter that much to a mech. Again, I can't predict the future but what the past says about military technology makes me think completely disregarding anything about what the future of war might be is silly.

consider the following
youtube.com/watch?v=LikxFZZO2sk
now scale that leg tech up and give it proper armor and armaments and a nuclear reactor and you've got yourself a western mech that doesn't suck dogshit in real life

>Tfw the only mech threads are either DxM, which is shallow easy garbage for nintentoddlers or bait threads like this where no one is talking about games
Nexus was kino

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why does everyone instantly see this as bait, but not this one?

Yea Forums has mental issues

>kojima is a westaboo

Not that one. The one that killed C&C

This guy literally use crab shells to !ale these. You can find more of this guy's stuff on his Twitter through image search. They're lovely.

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so a weeb mech with a camo paintjob?

Because the metal gear and the semi-biotic titan given it away. Nobody watched Macron's or knows what that thing on the left is from

>the brown surprise

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Very few people are left who have enough common sense not to respond to that shit seriously

West and East mechas are obviously very diffetent flavors but they're both enjoyable for different reasons.
To me it's like calling a comedy shit beacuse it's not a good horror and vice versa, obviously they're going for completly different things and despite similarities it's silly to compare them.
Some people will enjoy only western mechas and that's fine, some people will enjoy only eastern mechas and that's fine, some people will enjoy both and that's patrician.

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Clanner scum detected

Still butthurt about Tukkayid I see.

why does japan always get compared to "the west"?

does it really take a massive part of the world to compete with a small island?

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YES

Atlas is a good boy.

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What does the rest of Asia have going on in that department?

what are you talking about

most say "east" meaning it's not just japan but all asian countries.

Is Sigint the DARPA Chief? From MGS1? I skipped 4.

Aye senpai, you got it. Love and peace, and good taste for everyone!

Just imprecise language. Like the W40kfags keep pointing out, the British has no qualms about designing mecha that look cool and agile.

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yeah i don't think anybody talks about "all asian countries" when people compare western products like cars, video games, etc
only japan and maybe korea

Go fuck a surat, freebirth.

>japanese mech
>has hands and fingers to carry a weapon rather than them being built-in
>carries a fucking sword to battle
>has its cockpit in the mech's head rather than somewhere unexpected and better protected

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The Mars Pattern Warhound is the most aesthetic Mech in existence looks solid but still looks quick also looks like it would actually be able to stand as well.

Japan is OP as hell, on a different level from other Asians countries for some reason

Except I think South Korea has a way better live action movie industry imo

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forgot pic

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Yeah it's the same guy.

Western mech design like that always makes me think of pic related from Silent Hill 3

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>>has its cockpit in the mech's head rather than somewhere unexpected and better protected
almost every mech has the cockpit in the chest you dweeb, and it seems more cost effective to have easily swap-able weapons that can be picked up off the battlefield if the setting gives a reason for it. for the sword its just cool to slap another mech with a giant hunk of metal, or stab it with a laser sword

Yeah but the japanese mech is piloted by a guy who's entire ancestry were samurai and instead of buttons the cock pit is a motion control suit

Can I just say that I love all mechs.

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More than you might expect, there's just no translation culture to build up a fanbase for them. Also a lot of Chinese stuff is redundant because it's just repackaged versions of already existing media, licensed or not. Titanfall is popular but I've never heard of anyone who played the Chinese version of it.

You can download it on PS4 for free if you make a Jap region account, it's pretty high-tier as far as f2p mecha goes.

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For sure Gundam and Eva cockpits are in the torso.

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same friend

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Imagine losing a war and thousands of elite warriors to Comstar...to space AT&T, a fucking telecommunications company.

The literal state of the clans.

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Imagine being GAY.

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powered exo-suits, and eventually armored exosuits are the logical result of the army constantly upping the loadout weight on soldiers.
And once you have armored exosuits it's only a small jump from there to full blown mechs, so they're not a completely unrealistic idea.

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:-)

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full retard

Pay.
Your.
Bills.
Fucko.

I can hear it...

is this an ironic weeb? The first time I have ever seen a real one.

Reminds me of that one Metal Slug boss.

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You mean they can't design mechs with unrealistic proportions and little to no tactical utility?

The Asshimar definitely has one of the most beautiful transformations ever designed. Just split and SNAP.

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>nuclear reactor
Without gundam space magic miniatureization that's gonna make for something like 100 feet tall minimum, at which point it's beyond oversized missile bait.

Humaniod form + RCS = Superior maneuverability in a micro gravity environment.

What are best Western mech games? Battletech or MW2?
SH game where the character has to confront their morbid obesity, porn addiction and opioid abuse when?

NOPE

>running from the monsters is hard because you can barely stand upright and have even less endurance for sustained movement than your average FPS protagonist
>you get stuck in tight spaces
I'd play it

Japanese mechs were literally the first to have cockpits not be in the head, it's the west that never let that shit go.

Titanfall probably.

>SH game where the character has to confront their morbid obesity, porn addiction and opioid abuse when?

I can legit get behind this. I really think this will work.

>The instant Amuro enters the scene, the quality jumps exponentially
There's a joke about Zeta in here somewhere

They'd all be completely useless in the real world so might as well make them look cool

TING TING TING TING

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Heavy Gear 2 is my personal favorite, though it's a bitch to run on modern systems. MW2-4 are all great as well.
Both derive their mech designs from anime, though Battletech pulled from a variety of sources as opposed to Heavy Gear basically just being VOTOMS by another name.

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Do tankfags not realize that maybe 5% of tanks fielded in actual warfare have had practical, cost-effective designs that weren't absolute metallic deathtraps for its crew?

All the best mech games are pretty dated now. Still MW4:M is excellent despite the shitty mouse controls.

this

>though it's a bitch to run on modern systems.
True, though I've gotten it optimally working.

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Because this is a weeb site. Most people here are from ''da west,'' but they're weebs who hate ''muh west'' and want to be Japanese.

Imagine building a society of perfect warriors and then throwing everything away in a retarded bet against what is basically the Pope's swiss guard.

You should play Starsiege, especially if you're into Tribes.

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>Votoms
dead giveaway

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so here's this giant enemy crab...

Thanks friends, I'll check them out
I wish I could code

West design is for people who are afraid to say that they like tanks, or think tanks are boring.
Both are unrealistic and would require technology that's 20k years more advanced than what we have today, the japanese design just goes a bit further.

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All the people saying they like "all mechs" are essentially vouching for the Zakrello, Dougram's head, and Getter Robo Go's green pants.

I still like all mechs

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>talking shit about Dougram's head
It's even acknowledged as a weakpoint in-universe if I remember right.

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DON'T BULLY THE ZAKRELLO

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>all of these replies and not one mention of steel battalion
eject

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based, was just playing it

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Realism is what uncreative fucks do since they can't come up with anything
It's also boring and the reason why Japan keeps making better games.

>Shit talking Dougram
Fuck off right now

Because logic makes more sense than. Everything you've ever thought

Aren't mechs as in battlemechs supposed to be pretty fast and sometimes almost human-like in movement in anything outside the videogames?

>wind-powered
Pretty smart, tee bee aych.

Even in the Mechwarrior vidya the lighter mechs can go pretty damn fast. I think the Locust classically goes a bit over 120 KPH at top speed?

People keep repeating that, but what they ignore is the fact that mecha, like all machines, are conveyed primarily visually, so any animated medium is going to trump everything else in audience impression, any image or illustration are going to trump textual descriptions and so on and so forth.

It also has the power of camouflage.

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Battletech is the primary the actual canon. The Mechwarrior games are adaptations, sometimes fairly loose ones at that.

Peoples' sensory biases do not take precedent over the original intent.

Even in the games, though, not all of the mechs are slow and unresponsive. The Atlas is an exception, not a rule, and even then it can mount MASC. Hell, a lot of them are arguably better at shooting on the move than titans due to full torso twist meaning they can stay on-target while moving at full speed in any direction rather than just forward. A lot of the titans have pretty hefty strafing and backpedaling movement penalties.

>Playing LR
>Genubi wants to fight
>Kill him
>Some asshole comes out
>He destroys me
Fucking LR

>tfw you'll never be a pmc mecha pilot doing whatever contracts you can without much care outside of the ones that obviously would kill you, for barely enough money to cover expenses to carry you to the next contract

whats the point in living if I can't do it dyin for money in my giant mech

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>Tfw you'll never be this Chad
armoredcore.fandom.com/wiki/Frog_Man

Sure, canon is canon, but visual mediums definitely leaves a stronger impression. It's the face of the any tech and machine heavy sci-fi franchise.

I get you, but in video games, it's the acceleration, agility and fluidity of motion that convey the sense of speed (armored core, virtual on), followed by a quickly receding background objects (Burnout Paradise).

EDF is the only one who does mechs right -- and there are only a few of them in their games

>EDF is the only one that does mechs right
Holy shitpost
Excellent excellent shitpost but a shame you wasted it on the limit

in a videogame, gameplay-wise? yes, that's true

>implying you would ever build a mech smaller than 100 feet tall
what is wrong with you

also consider that if you've got nuclear power in your mech, you better also have fuck-off powerful PD lasers to shoot down missiles and navy-style railguns to hit targets 60 kilometers away and a whole fucking stealth suite i mean
if you're going to build a mech, and it's already going to be the most expensive thing you've ever had to build outside of a fucking space station, why wouldn't you kit it the fuck out?

realistically i think mechs would be best suited to combat on other planets where gravity isn't as much of an issue but i'm sure there'd be a good reason to have legs on earth, considering almost all of the life on land has legs

we just need to do some more work towards researching better, lighter materials and power sources

the thing is, your tank will do well 95% of the time, right? that thing's perfect for combat in lots of places
but if you've got a mech that's well built, it can go wherever a person can. they'd be better off in very rough terrain. also, if we use more than 2 legs, they'd be much more stable than tracked or wheeled vehicles and they'd be able to mount much larger weaponry.

>Took extremely invasive surgery that dooms him to a life that is only fit for piloting in exchange for unparalleled control.
>Forgoes the apex level schematics that only pilots of his calibre can maneuver in exchange for his passion project.
First gen ravens were the most soulful of them all.

weebfags and chinks must be lined up and shot. I bet you think anime characters look like jasians

You forgot the micro-penis