Who was right here?

Karen is right about PVE, Gentlemn is right about PVP.

I dunno, why don't you ask those high-quality animations which Pokemon you should use?

The gentleman is right.
He's from the Battle Resort.

>don't use strong ones because they're strong, use your favorites
>uses really strong pokemon

The real answer is use whatever the fuck you want, strong, weak, it doesn't fucking matter unless you're into smogon shit.

I never said that. Pokemon can clearly be competitive as evidenced by the fact that it has a community for it at all. The thing is that objectively determining who is better than someone else (i.e. playing the game truly seriously) is impossible because of the RNG elements, which are far more significant and influential than in other competitive games. You can play it competitively, you just shouldn't expect your results to be consistent with what your skill level is at all times.

The only way in which a player can consistently beat another player, even against the odds, would be in the case where the winning player is far ahead in skill and strategizing than their opponent. If you were to, however, pit two hypothetical players who are close to the same level of skill and strategizing ability, and you had them play a bunch of games, RNG in Pokemon can be screwy enough that the player with the slightly lesser skill could still end up winning the majority of the games played. That's opposite to what you expect from competitive games where RNG is not significant enough to skew the results so extremely, usually because those games implement RNG in small ways that don't significantly affect the overall outcome of each match played. In Pokemon, one roll can be the entire deciding factor for a game where the players are equally or nearly-equally skilled, from things like an attack having it proc a status effect, to a status effect lingering for just one turn longer.

One time I tried to stick with a Pokemon that sucked, but that I liked. Didn't worl out. It's stats were trash. Pokemon 3 levels above it would ko it in 2 hits, with no type disadvantage.

Also, even if stats weren't a thing, only skill, to send out a cute soft body character against a fucking onyx makes you an asshole. That's why pagents are a thing. Some Pokemon are cute, some are hardboiled killers made to fight.

In game universe wise Karen is right but actual game wise all Pokemon are just data and some are objectively better than others

One is Elite Four and the other is some literally who.

Karen was pretty obviously a diversity hire. Also, is there a wiser group of people than old white men?

>his favorite pokemon can't win
what a loser lmao

Bottom is objectively correct.
Top is the feel-good answer that people will cling to anyway.

Argument from authority is only a fallacy when the authority is unfounded.

There are some pokemon that just can't win. Have you ever tried to win with Ledian?

The height of competition has always been about the best of the best. The best players. The best strategies. The best sportsmanship. Unconventional tactics are one thing, but deliberately sabotaging yourself on shallow whims such aesthetic appeal is an insult to the integrity and sincerity of the game.

When you win, it may be apparent that victory could have come much easier if you played meta, and your opponent feels belittled and insulted.
When you lose, excuses such as "I was using these weak pokes" or "my team had no synergies" or "lol I just like this one type so you swept me" is always there hanging in the background, whether left unsaid or not. Your opponent also loses the opportunity to improve and learn from defeating you, because you likely represent a non-viable and very personal scenario.

Pokemon being a joke game for children is beside the point. If we put ourselves in the shoes of an autist who takes this stupid shit seriously, Gentleman is correct.

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>Karen says that only after being BTFO by bing bing wahoo or backwards cap faggot
Gentleman

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Karen. Half the niggers RISING UP against Sword and Shield are seething because they can't be carried by Ultra Beasts, Tapus and Landorus anymore.

>no pokemon girlfriend to drain kiss me

Karen is correct morally and in terms of sportsmanship. I don't expect non-athletes to understand that though.

The gentleman is a faggot cancerous min-maxer who contributes to the ruination of his own metagame, The phrase "truly strong" is incorrect because anyone can win if they minmax, the point of Pokemon is the spirit and sportsmanship, and that loss of vision is exactly why the games are in the state they're currently in.

Top thinks it's good to send out a Pidgey to fight a Tyranitar by this logic, because you like that little bird so much. There's a reason they lose a lot happiness if they get destroyed in a battle.

Karen says that after she loses though
>"You beat me but I'm still skillful because I used my super duper favorite Vileplume lol"

...

both are wrong.
a million hours in photoshop

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The answer depends on if we are speaking in-universe, or in the context of the games themselves.

In-universe, Karen's answer has some weight behind it, as a pokemon you've fought with and trained for years may in fact be superior a better choice than a "strong" one you just picked up last week but who won't listen to a word you say. There is also no objective measure of strength here either, pikachu could feasibly hold its own against mewtwo if the plot was written that way. That said, sheer power could make up for the difference in pilot familiarity anyway, so Gentleman isn't entirely wrong either.

In-game, Karen's answer is disconnected from reality. Pokemon are numbers, some are objectively better than others. Pikachu is not going to punch outside of its own weight class, no matter how much you try to force it. Moreover skill itself often plays second fiddle to the heavily RNG based combat system. Gentleman is beyond correct here, optimize your chances of victory by using the best available to you.

Karen: 1/2
Gentleman: 2/2

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They're both right, under the right circumstances.
The real difference is that Karen is a fucking casual who puts her favorites above winning, and that the wrinkly old man is too much of a tryhard to find something truly endearing to himself because he only cares about winning.
I have favorites that can compete and have also captured my heart, so both of these fucks can suck a chode.

Who was right? This Elite 4 member or this old dude who triedhis whole life and never did anything.

They're not talking about the same thing. Karen is saying that all Pokemon are viable (Which is true in terms of normal play).

The Gentleman is saying that playing a team of favorites just sets them up for failure, and you need to accept that you need to cover specific roles and use cases.

These are not mutually exclusive statements.

>weakest Elite 4
>gets btfo by some tryhard kid and backpedals
lol

One relies on the trainer's skill to win even if the poke is shit
The other is pleb tier fag that only uses the strongest poke as a crutch and is lazy trainer work
>oh wow you killed a wild magikarp with a giganigger legendary you are such a good trainer
or
>did this nigga just dab all over a legendary poke with a fucking magikarp

Karen is a scrub and most of her team is deadweight so I'm gonna say the other guy

If I just want to win or get the job done, why the hell would I bother with shitters?

Pokemon goes on /vp/. Yes, even games. It's a containment board.

What if your favorites happen to be all strong pokemon?

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Bruh, not the metagame's fault that GF can't balance their pokemon right.

Karen because she has bigger boobies.

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Any pokemon can be utilized against the brainless AI of the games if you aren't retarded.

someone that relies on their pokebros to beat meta / create new meta > someone that merely follows meta

>>>>AFTER BEING DEFEATED
>literally "nuh uh I still got real skill"
No wonder Yea Forums sides with Karen, they're the type to intentionally pick the joke character in a fighting game and use that as an excuse for their loss

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>6th grade English class before the bell rings
>Kid is playing Pokémon
>Look at his team
>All legendaries
>Say to him "Wow, that team is JEWISH"
>Forget the kid is Jewish
I still laugh about this from time to time.

>Karen makes a statement about what ought to be.
>Gentleman makes a statement about what sometimes is.

It's a false dilemma, user. They likely agree with each other.

Karen is objectively correct. But the Gentleman has a more realistic view. If you wanna beat the main plot, use your favorites. If you wanna win competitively, pick what'll win. It's simple.

This is honestly mainly a problem in games where you're given a lot of options but the mechanics aren't balanced sufficiently enough. Different powers between pokemon like a shitter like Luvdisc vs an absolute unit like Garchomp is not different than playing some meme build you like in a mmo or FPS when there are more optimal builds.

>Say to him "Wow, that team is JEWISH"

what did he mean by this

>uses really strong pokemon
Gengar and Houndoom are the only real exceptional ones here, and Gengar's got shitty moves.

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based and gentlemanly
holding back is an insult to the game and your opponent, unless you're intentionally giving them a handicap for some reason and still intend to win within that context

Karen.

Imagine the faggot who has Ledian as his favorite

see how far you get at the battle resort with Karen's philosophy

Let's look at the evidence

>Ash
>Used his favorites
>Failed twenty years in a row

>Alain
>Uses what works
>Stomps everyone into the dirt
>Wins the first championship he attempts
The choice is obvious

It's cheap, user

>If we put ourselves in the shoes of an autist who takes this stupid shit seriously, Gentleman is correct.
So you're saying that you have to be autistic to believe the gentleman is right?

The problem there is that Ash is an almost literal retard.

Wrong

Pokemon are for fucking

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>use your favorite pokemon
>all my favourite pokemon just happen to be the same type :^)

If you grow up in area where particular type of pokemon is dominant, odds are that type will become your favorite.

Definitely Karen. It's boring only having to spam 1 move without thought so some people add restrictions. That's why shit like nuzlocks are a thing. I personally never final evolution pokemon. Only stage 1's make the later half more enjoyable

What, was she raised by wolves or some shit?

karen only says this because gamefreak half-assed dark type in gen2 and they couldn't have an E4 member with only 3 pokemon.
>muh vileplume

Based.

Hilarious AND original.

Fuck you

soul vs. soulless

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ONLY PEPE AND WOJAK THREADS ARE ALLOWED

fuck offhere is your (you) you wanted

Objection, plenty of Pokémon that aren't considered optimal still have niches even at high level play, and it's important to recognize that strength comes from team composition moreso than having individually strong Pokémon. So long as you can find a legitimate place for your favorite in a strong team, you can make plenty of seemingly weak Pokémon work.

Umbreon is decent too, she just needs to slap toxic on it.

but all he said was "pokemon that can win", not individually strong ones

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said user. The subject of debate is one of sentimentality vs optimization.
Even in established metas there is room for experimentation, I never said otherwise. If you're using niche pokemon to target a specific pattern in the meta, that too is optimizing for success, not picking a pokemon simply because you like it.

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Who is the best?

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karen's not wrong but the fact that she says this after being defeated sounds like she's making excuses for running monodark.

Absolutely super based

bidoof and his evolution are based HM slaves
zigzagoon is the cutest though

Casualfags forever seething they get dumpstered in a true competitive setting. Smogon weeds out the shitters, cope harder

Sentret and Furret for life, though I'm a fan of Bunnelby too.

It's a rock-paper-scissors game. Why the fuck would I play scissors against rock?

Best design is Rattata, best in comp is either Linoon or Bun

I would say the pissed beaver with blood eyes, I don't want him to kill me afterwards

team of nothing but my favourite pokemon, magicarp

The gentleman obviously. I like white people but if Im going to assemble a nfl team im choosing blacks.

Being at the battle resort mean nothing, he's still some literally who old man compared to one of the top 5 trainers in johto
He's pokemon are weak becuase he's a statfag that only cares about surface level strength, Karen's pokemon are strong because she's taken the time to bond and train with them
end of discussion

>Sneasel
>Murkrow
>Umbreon
>Houndoom
>Tyranitar

There was enough dark types for her to have a pure dark team in gen 2.

>>weakest Elite 4
You say that like it's a negative, being in the elite 4 alone would you better than 99% of all trainers

>he only cares about surface level strength
>this man who I'm judging based on his surface level strength

What else can I judge him by? if his philosophy was correct he'd be champion, elite 4, or at least a gym leader, instead he's just shitter who blames his pokemon for his lack of being a good trainer
The entirety of Sliver's character arc was him learning that poor trainers blame their pokemon for being weak instead of training them properly, if some angsty kid with daddy issues can even learn that then the gentlemen must be a shit-head that needs crutch pokemon to win

She was written by a man.

Umbreon is perfectly legitimate stallmon
Vilelume is pretty good in gen 2 because of sludge bomb
Murkrow is a shitmon but its like the only other dark type in gen 2.

Also champions never use shitmons, Even Blue's team is good in Gen 1 GF just gave him trash moves.

>Listening to your roastie hippie sister back from college over your grandpa

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>if his philosophy was correct he'd be champion, elite 4, or at least a gym leader
not necessarily
>he's just shitter who blames his pokemon for his lack of being a good trainer
complete projection

Besides, people who goes out of their way to use the best pokemon for the job are the ones who can't blame their pokemon

Guess.

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>in-game
Karen
>competitive play
Gentleman

She's got belly game, pants game, and shoe game. He's got a shitty hat. She's right 100%

Thats unfair. Why does the anime dex tell you caught pokemon IVs? Really it should just direct give IV and EV numbers on mons.

>Why does the anime dex tell you caught pokemon IVs?
It doesn't. The anime pokedex only tells you a pokemon's level and moves

tynamobrain

If I was a gym leader I'd get a whole Rock theme going. Stone halls, boulders everywhere, statues. And then I'd put together a team of 6 electric type pokemon. Ain't never giving this badge away.

Yeah man because stall battles sure are as fun as hatching eggs to get a shiny or good IVs like Verlis does

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IVs shouldn't exist, Prove me wrong.

the person who happened to be so good at battling they got a seat on the league for it

what if someone brings grass types?

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But Ash won in the end and Paul even respected him as an equal and his brother taught him that relying on the "strongest" pokemon isn't the proper way to train

rock is weak to ground too

In theory I like the idea that different pokemon can be stronger or weaker in certain fields however the fact that all IVs can be max it simply means some pokemon are just flat out better then others and any pokemon without perfect IVs should just kill itself. I would make an argument that all pokemon can only have so many IV points so no pokemon are perfect with some being better at defense or attack but it still sorta leaves the same issue since people would simply take the perfect attackers for some pokemon and perfect defense for others disagreeing anything else.

For the billionth time, Karen is the maingame, Gentleman is for Battle Frontier and PvP.

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that's because Paul sucked
if two people of equal skill as trainers battled, the one with the stronger team would win every time. That's why you always get the strongest team possible, so that skill is the final deciding factor possible.

Fuck. I'll just bring my .45 Steel type if those 10 year olds wanna roll up on me.

how will that help you against a youngster with a diglett?

also shares rock's weakness to fighting and ground lol

FUCK. My gun doesn't know swift. Back to the drawing board.

It's nice to think that your personal feelings and affections towards your pokemon are worth a damn, but the sad reality is that pokemon at the core is a numbers game.
No amount of how much you love your pokemon will stop it from getting raked over the coals by a systematically and objectively superior pokemon.

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Building on this IVs are actually completely pointless because in PvP you'll never play against anything with less the perfect 31s and in story mode the boost is so irrelevant as not to matter compared to STAB, typing and levels.

The real trick is to make your favorite pokemon powerful enough to win

In the game, win with your favorites.
Realistically, it's a combination.

Depends. Single player of Pokemon is so easy that you can totally beat them with whatever team of shitters you've gathered. There's people who've beat the games using only Ditto, for example.
But if you go against other human players, that shit simply isn't gonna work. There's gonna be autists who min-maxed their team, and you're gonna have to do the same if you want a chance of beating them.

You can only get to Battle Resort after beating Elite Four.

What is the gentleman's team?

That's not true, Ash has been able to theoretical stronger trainers with theoretical purely because his pokemon will get a zenkai boost because their bond, friendship, and Ash believing in them makes able to hit harder or be tougher than they normally would

mega fug

*Ash has been able to beat theoretical stronger trainers with theoretical stronger pokemon*
grammar mistakes lmao

and what if his opponent also believes in their pokemon just as hard?

It's a kids' franchise, my dude, people with 'stronger pokemon' never believe in their pokemon as hard as the plucky underdog

I can appreciate IVs and EVs outside of the competitive realm because it makes the individual pokemon unique.
However once you dip your toe into that system, then it becomes much harder to not care about it, even if you're only doing PvE.

bottom, top is a failure of a e4 member

so what's your point?

>pokemon at the core is a numbers game
True but imagine if Pokemon Amie buffs were allowed in competitive play. From both the anime and the games, we know that the more you bond with your pokemon, the more broken they become.
Only people who luck out and become best friends with OP pokemon from the start can truly see the benefits of picking based on stats. I imagine that, if pokemon were real life, the most powerful trainers would be rich kids who were raised with their first pokemon being obscenely powerful dragons and the like.

The point is it's an impossible scenario.

I'm unhappy about it because I'm worried about Misdreavus and Golurk

>rich kids
>bonding with anything

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James was a rich kid and he bonds with his pokemon too well.

It usually comes down to a battle of will power than and tactics then Ash had a trick or two up sleeve, sometimes he'll still lose though especially if the trainer he's battling has gone through an arc with thier pokemon

You're right, I should say
>99% of rich kids

you don't fight him

>imagine if Pokemon Amie buffs were allowed in competitive play.
This does nothing, all it means is you have to spend an extra x hours rubbing your pokemon, or another number to put in the injection modifier.
All you did was add another value to the number system.

Karen just says to try finding winning strategies with your favorites, so she's right. In most situations, you can win fairly consistently even if it's difficult, though Pokemon with really limited movesets like Magikarp and Abra aren't very usable until they evolve.

Both.

I should have been more thorough. I meant what if pokemon amie buffs were suddenly allowed without warning. People who never spent the time on that shitty minigame for their meta team will suddenly be at a huge disadvantage against people who have, meaning the autists who 'bonded' with their pokemon would win almost every time thanks to the busted dodges, crits, and endures.

>listening to boomers ever

What a gay thread, post Karen

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Karen is in the elite 4 and the gentleman is in a postgame area that requires you to beat the elite 4

You're making the mistake of thinking that people who do things like amie show up and bother with competitive pokemon at all. You changed maybe day one of one tournament before people run back to the save editor, change the affinity levels, and now it's back to exactly what it was previously.

Based

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user are you always this dense? It's to demonstrate a point, that bonding with pokemon is incredibly powerful and can overcome power differences. Of course after the first tournament like this everyone will rush to max their amie affection to get the buffs, but that's not the point.

i wanna push karen on the ground and enforce analsex
give porn to fap

Karen in Master is stacked to shit. Was she always so busty?

I legitimately took that to heart and I always have Heracross on every team that I'll ever play

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Golurk is already in you dolt

>that bonding with pokemon is incredibly powerful and can overcome power differences
Which at the end of the day is still a number in the number game, dumbass. And now leads us to a T-Landorus that has a high affinity level is now strictly better than T-Landorus that has a low affinity level, just like a T-Landorus that has perfect IVs and has the right EV training is better than a T-Landorus that hasn't. Or a T-Landorus that has a high affinity level is still going to be infinitely better than some shitmon like Wormadam which also has a high affinity level.
This accomplishes nothing.

AAAH I WANNA FUCK HER MILKERS

>Which at the end of the day is still a number in the number game
Because it's a fucking video game you sperg. A video game cannot realistically reflect your 'bond' with a pokemon. It's an abstract representation of what the effect of bonding is in the pokemon universe.

You're a good guy, user.

The Elite 4 is designed to get owned by retarded kids with teams consisting of pokemon like a Charizard with Ember, Flamethrower, Fireblast, and Fly. Of course one of them is telling you "just use your favorites bro," whereas the geezer is telling you that sometimes you have to actually have a team that isn't totally retarded in order to win.

You literally can't fight him until after defeating the Elite 4 so your stupid appeal to authority isn't even meaningful here.

>i'm gonna build a stakataka, and make the ludicolos pay for it.

>A video game cannot realistically reflect your 'bond' with a pokemon.
Exactly, which is my entire point. You can love whatever your pokemon you want but at the end of the day it'll still get steamrolled by objectively and systematically superior pokemon. This is not a game of passion, it is a game of calculations.

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Well the other one is a woman so she's obviously in the wrong here.

What the FUCK?

Because that's the fucking video game you autist.
Even then, you're an idiot if you don't think that won't change metas. When pokemon can randomly crit, dodge, ensure a hit, and endure fatal blows, you can bet the meta pokemon pool will shift.

I was enamored with Heracross as a kid, I just thought his design was dope and he made Bug types cool and useful with Scizor, Bug became my favorite type in Gen 2 and it's been that was ever since

The mentality of the poor is always interesting to see.

the part where she says "truly skilled...." kills off anything important from her

based

> your stupid appeal to authority isn't even meaningful here.
That would be implying NPCs are bound to the same rules the player is, which is wrong considering there are literal children with whimsicott and slurpuffs on their team
Authority still stands and the gentlemen is still wrong

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What's she saying?

Fuck yeah, Bug Types and Bug Catchers are cool. I've always loved Beedrill since I first played Blue and there are so many cool picks from Venonat to Kricketune. I honestly think single type runs of pokemon can be really fun if it's the right type and game.

>because that's the fucking video game you autist
Yes, that's the video game. The video game that we've been discussing this entire time. The video game that is dictated by numbers, not feelings, you cretin.
>you can bet the meta pokemon pool will shift.
The meta will shift, the meta will adapt, the meta will still exist. Even with amie bonuses, there are still pokemon that simply get outclassed by others existing. Even with amie bonuses, certain strategies will still be dominant over others.

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>The video game that we've been discussing this entire time
The OP is about Karen's line about picking whatever pokemon you like vs a gentleman's advice of picking what you must to win. This can be taken as either in-game or in-universe, and my reply to the first user was mentioning that in-universe, picking based on preference can easily overcome stat differences. Just look at Ash's pikachu bodying pokemon that should always beat it.
I understand your autism thinks it's purely a game, but just imagine for a moment that it isn't, like I said in the first post. Bonding would beat the numbers game

"The Former Elite Four Pussy-Pokemon Karen."

>I understand your autism thinks it's purely a game
It is purely a game, pokemon don't exist, they only exist in the game. Bonding with your pokemon in the game doesn't exist. The digital output of the game has zero bearings on how much you actually care. In-universe has zero place in any of this because it's not real. The characters can have text that says bonding and relationship matters, but at the end of the day it simply doesn't because it's not real, it is all just value that are read and can be changed at whim.
It's pointless to try and talk about whatever themes the anime gives out because the anime is almost completely detached from the game. Hey user, can YOUR pikachu take down a Rhydon by hitting the horn? No, it can't.

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I'm sorry about your crippling autism, user.

You're the autist who thinks his affections towards in-game events matter to the game.

No, he's not. Your only argument is "one is in the elite 4 and the other isn't" and you can only face the one that isn't after beating the elite 4. Even a child would understand the implied hierarchy here.

Boomers are usually right tho

And your argument relies on the resort not being a place that people can't freely go to, there's no "hierarchy" here because the rules that apply to the player don't apply to npcs

Karen
>truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites
Gentleman
>truly strong trainers must sometimes be prepared to choose

They're not contradicting each other, and both quotes give enough leeway that the reader can do whatever they want with the information. There is pride in succeeding with pokemon you like, and there is pride in succeeding with pokemon you didn't necessarily like at first.

>Having a bro that you use on every team.
I'm not trying to be an asshole and shit on this wholesome post because it's great that you have a favorite and all but using it every game? I don't get what the appeal of doing this is for so many people. If anything using your favorite mon over and over again only makes it less special than if it served as a proud member of one team. Besides, you might miss out on an opportunity to try out a mon you've never used before and coming to like it.

the other is on Omega Ruby & Sapphire Battle Resort which is more challenging than G&S Elite Shit.

Reddit quips are not arguments

wrong. the reputation of the authority has nothing to do with the fallacy. If your preference for an opinion stems entirely from the source of that opinion, and has nothing to do with the actual reasoning presented by the source of the opinion, then you have committed a fallacy. If an authority is truly respectable then it will explain its reasoning. If it expects you to just believe it blindly because "it's a reputable source" then it's a fallacy.

karen only says this after you beat her.
>umm i was just using my favourites rather than my best pokemon

She's a sore loser.

I think it's just people who don't want to let go. I felt disoriented by Gen V's "no old pokemon rule" because I was trying to draw equivalances to previous gens. I though Archeops was supposed to be like Aerodactyl
>Archeops shits out and costs me a gym fight
>Immediately think "Aerodactyl could've clutched that fight"
And other stuff like that, but as time passes you become attached to your new team and now Hawlucha and Archeops are my favorite pokemon. I wouldn't mind GF cutting pokemon in SS because of this, but they're just reusing pokemon again.

I don't see how this would be different from EV training anyways, they'll just do it to accomplish the buffs for this numbers game. It's the same kind of grinding and some competitive pokemon are treated well to maximize the attack return anyways.

Yeah, nothing will stop people from minmaxing in a video game. But for that one single tournament, people who didn't do the bonding minigame with their pokemon will get thoroughly btfo.

>doctor says friend needs to get X medicine
>friend says fuck that since muh appeal to authority
>friend dies

>gordon ramsey comes to kitchen
>says steak is uncooked and the fries soggy
>current chef says fuck that since muh appeal to authority
>owners agree with chef
>restaurant closes down

>senior programmer says OOP is important and that friend should learn X language since it's what the startup uses
>friend says fuck that muh appeal to authority
>gets fired for being incompetent
Piss off, faggots. There's a reason why people are in the position they are in. I'm not saying to always blindly follow them, but their advice holds more weight than some literal who in the internet.

Anyone else here really like normal types even though they're shit?

What's stopping the guy who lost to just raise his bonds to catch up to the standards and then renter a later tournament. It's just more training and grinding.

Tell that to 180bp double-edge

Well that was the last pokemon tournament ever, kid. Sorry but pokemon is cancelled and banned forever. Shame that you lost the first round of the final tournament to a 10 year old and has amie'd buizel

karen has always been best pokegirl, masters just means after 20 years karenchads get to rise up

the guy
the girl is wrong in the sense that you don't throw a pokemon you care for into a battle that it can't win and will just get hurt
its basically torture out of its trainer "love"
>yes weedle you're my favourite we can stop groudon or some shit
>*dies*
but so are double edge moves but no one botered to get moralistic over that mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yeah I doubt something so exotic like Pokemon would be banned like that. Keep reaching.

>th-that would never happen!
Of course it would, once amie is allowed in competitive tournaments you know it's dying. Sorry but the scene is dead kid, maybe you should give pokemon royale a chance, it's picking up steam, hehe

you are right, but OOP can suck my wee wee and is bad design

Obviously Karen, metafags need their crutches to win, anyone with actual skill will use whatever they like the most and still shit on 5IQ meta retards.

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It's what will get me a job.

There's no "skill" in pokemon you fucking moron, it's turn based and stat based.

you have to be autistic to care about pokemon battles

Is everyone who plays pokemon autistic?

>then it becomes much harder to not care about it
I haven't been able to enjoy pokemon in a long time because of this. The 'tism takes over and I just need the right nature and ivs or else why the fuck am I bothering. I remember I used to play pokemon by focusing exclusively on my starter and the rest of the team were hm slaves and revive fodder.

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yes

>Karen: actual fun guy who plays the characters he enjoys regardless of the meta game and has a lot of fun
>Gentleman: bandwagon jumping faggot who doesn't pick a character unless they are on the top of the tier list, never has fun with the game, even when winning

Yeah I've seen this story before

>pokemon
>skill
As someone who played competitively for over 6 years before stopping, Pokemon has no skill. It's 70% making safe predictions, 20% luck and 10% choosing your team/movesets.

This, you have to see it from a setting perspective in the world of Pokémon and the bond with your Pokémon and their training makes the difference; which differs from the neckbeard raping your lv 100 team with a lv 50 Purgley running the SS fake out strat irl.

It depends. To you, are Pokemon monsters with moves, abilities, personalities, animation, etc.? Or are they just abstracted game elements to be maximized?

One of my favourite parts of Gen 7 was hyper training, so you could take your individual favourite mon (like an old starter) and maximize their potential (they might still have a whack nature though). I think IVs were a mistake in any gen where you can't improve them.

i get where you're coming from but the doctor isn't saying to take my favourite medicine and you'll live, gordon isn't saying cook your preferred meal despite its taste, that's where the distinction lies user, the type of advice i am getting

>one involves doing something you enjoy
>one involves throwing any enjoyment out of the window for the sake of cheap wins
If I have to stallfag every single fight i'd have more fun not playing

Is that supposed to be an Edgeworth version
Is there a Phoenix one

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>young thot that fuck her pokemons vs. and old guy with experience from battles
Exactly, OP, who was right here?

i have autism , though im not autistic enough to care about EV training , IV's & breeding

karen becsuse i eant to lick ger pusy

>jobber in the weakest elite 4
>elite trainer in an invite-only battling facility
gee I wonder

Ah, a fellow gentleman. I tip my fedora to you, good sir.

>politician says you should vote for him
>he's an expert in politics so he must be right

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