OpenAI teaches AI teamwork

This is western civilization summed up in one 30 second clip

Nah.
If that were true, the mayo would start throwing the trash everywhere towards the end, then blaming everyone else.

at this point just fuck a real woman

Jesus fucking christ poor kid he's also probably being bullied for it right now

Why do you feel bad for someone willingly going through the trash?

>mfw box surfing
Imagine the future where you can have a fully automated AI do QPU teleportation for you during a online match holy shit

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>ai learns to box itself in
>opposing ai learns how to box surf
>ai learns to lock all objects before constructing its box
neat

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why is this impressive?

Imagine games where the AI learn how to fuck with the player.

left 4 dead 10years ago?

Machine learning is a meme that hasn't produced anything worthwhile.

urge to kill...rising

because there still isnt a place for them yet.
there isnt a spot where you can fail a million times as an AI to build intelligence

I like how the seekers learned how to glitch out the boxes to stop those cheap faggot hiders from making the game impossible to complete.

Where are your AI algorithms? Post your work here for everyone to critique.

Imagine, with this technology we could revive ALL the good old multiplayer games. Fuck Ray tracing shit and graphics, please FOCUS ON IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE THIS PLEASE PLEASE I WANT TO PLAY QUAKELIVE AND INSURGENCY AND TEAM FORTRESS FOREVER

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Give them a billion more generations and the hiders will hide in parallel dimensions while the seekers learn FTL through backward hopping to catch them.

lol what the fuck, i don't code or program.
i don't need to be a chef to consume food. i've seen ai for 20+ years already.

Then shut the fuck up retard.

>chink eyes

what did he mean by this
i'm surprised there's people out there that not only give a shit about this, but get offended over it

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>mfw medium futa robot has a bigger dick than me
Wel gonna go jack off some more

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I have to believe you guys are pretending to be stupid. You understand that these behaviours emerged on their own, right?

>willingly going through the trash
Cleaning your environment is a respectful thing to do. People who litter are subhuman.

I think people know but I can understand why they don't care: How do you fit this into a video game?

This, mostly because machine learning is less exacting than simply programming in what you want the system to do, and is entirely defined by the initial programming anyways and as such is the case never accomplishes something beyond its original constraints.

Bots in multiplayer games are notoriously shit. Unreal Tournament is the only series that ever came close to decent bots. Now devs can be lazy and the bots improve themselves.

>we are teaching AI to be racist so one day they know how to defend against black people

Actual enemy AI that adapts to your moves. The main problem is that it takes so many generations to achieve results like in the OP. Unless you have the AI on a very popular game (which even then might pale in comparison to how much training it actually needs) or advance the algorithm to learn faster it might not be good enough for most of a game's lifespan. I imagine companies selling pre-trained bot algorithms to speed up the training if this gets popular.

What's the story behind this?

They really don't though, despite what is being said about incentives, the rules being built as is provides incentives and the outcome is predetermined via those incentives and the programing will never exceed those perimeters

Black Lives Matter protesting white oppression

Every AI study ever done ends with it inexplicably hating black people, it's actually crazy

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I think they are trying to tell us something but what?

Well obviously, as an opponent for strategy games. I wonder about technical things though. Can you precook a bazillion cycles and then run it on consumer hardware? Don't you need a huge database, or however the bots store what they learn? You'd have to get it from their servers, right, and at this point why not multiplayer?

But that's a narrow view too. Game people are creative and eventually someone will do something with it, that much is clear to me.

bro there are no parameters except the playing field and the objective. that's the interesting part.

Sure thing nigger

It's because most programmers are white and even if they're progressive, they are still unconsciously putting preconceived bias into the system.

>Well obviously, as an opponent for strategy games.
You've never played chess against a good AI, have you?

That's because the data they are fed is racist

That's why you save the AI of the version that existed at the halfway point, disable learning and name it "normal difficulty".

It’s not cost effective. You have to run millions of simulations to train the bot, and seemingly small changes can break the bot in unexpected ways that require additional millions of simulations to retrain the bot.

A lot of the “successes” in AI look way less impressive when you actually start looking up how much it costs to build and run something like AlphaGoZero. Often times an AI solution can be replaced by a hard-coded solution that’s 90% as good but at 1% the cost.

t. Have a machine learning dev job where I constantly have to trick my managers into accepting projects by fudging the cost numbers

That's because every human being of every race is racist. There are zero people on the planet that aren't racist. The people who make a big deal explaining that they're not racist are the most racist.

The PC game Black and White had emergent AI behavior back in 2001. This shit isn't impressive.

I bet most people would hate actual learning AI enemies. At the very least it'd take a while to get acclimated to.

If you're making the point that getting crushed with pinpoint mathematical precision every single game isn't fun, then you're right. This technology is more interesting the more complex the game is.

>t. Have a machine learning dev job where I constantly have to trick my managers into accepting projects by fudging the cost numbers
Make an AI that learn to make your speeches for your managers. Over multiples billion generations it will eventually have the word "nigger" out, I'm sure.

Data isn’t racist.

Choice of data can be. What probably happened is that the white programmers automatically think of “person” = “white person” and only fed pictures of white people into the algorithm. So when the algorithm sees “black person,” it doesn’t register as “person.”

That's because they aren't blinded by 'diversity' propaganda from birth.

Fuck off mate, that was a bunch of variables that determined which of a set of predetermined actions the creature would take.

I wonder what would happen in a setting like counter strike? Would these bots develop patters completely different from your average cs player? Would they abuse the engine as much as possible to win?

a billion lines of code and eighteen years later we get something less interesting

I'm so intelligent I don't even see race. I was walking down the street yesterday and someone walked past me and said "excuse me, cracker" and I asked why they said that and they said it was because they were african American and I didn't even notice their race because everyone looks the same to me.

Abuse the engine like hell.

There’s a semi-famous anecdote passed around in AI research circles about an AI that was trained to land planes in a simulation. They set it up to incentivize the AI to land the plane as softly as possible. After a few million simulations, the AI started crashing the plane as hard as it could into the ground because it accidentally discovered overflow errors where the force measure would get so large it would overflow into negative numbers.

>Would they abuse the engine as much as possible to win?
Most likely, the difficulty of CS is being able to aim, without it you get the expert bots from CS:S, so now the only way to win is through careful positioning and budget management, it will go so far that eventually the AI would learn how to climb above the map or glitch into the geometry to fuck with each other.

Oh, silly AI's

Okay you really are stupid. You don't understand what the video tried to tell you. Try again, user.

Face recognition AIs uses many different faces from different races and some still manage to categorize black people in the monkey section.

I'm so intelligent I don't even think of the n-word.

I've literally never once thought of the n-word in full. Never. When I hear it, it doesn't register in my brain so I don't even know it happened.

The AI that learned to play SMB eventually learned a glitch that allow you to kill enemies by hitting them from below at a really specific angle.

watching something learn and adapt is interesting. it doesnt necessarily have to be impressive, though idk enough about AI to say whether it is or is not impressive from a technical standpoint

Imagine generations of AI living in a city like environment, having to survive by working or stealing for food, building to house themselves, becoming social for safety, etc... I'm curious how long it would take for them to go from total anarchy to an actual working striving city.

>striving city
I mean thriving city
Man I'm tired.

i want them to run an AI program like this in Kenshi and see what happens; do different AI come together to help eachother out, or is it constant tribal warfare out of distrust for everything in Kenshi

it would probably devolve to cheap, borderline exploitative tactics quickly. like in the video the hiders locking every object at the start of the round would be totally unfun, though i guess in this simplistic game thats the only way to actually win definitively

The closest we got was Hello Neighbor and it wasn't really learning, it would just retrace your steps and act accordingly, and the result was that early game was the house getting boarded up to the point where entering was near impossible and the inside was filled to the brim with traps.

It's really stupid but I really want an Hide & Seek game or a Prop Hunt game with a learning AI (with basic knowledges to begin with of course, nobody wants to spend 20 hours with an AI that don't even know how to go forward).

>natural selection lead to intelligent lifeforms
autism

darwinism is a hoax

the false believe that humanity is still at the center of the universe and matters in some way and that progress can be achieved
natural selection as a concept has no inherent goal because only the "strong" survive
in nature however predator and prey could switch at any moment, predator could become prey and vice verse
this means the strong are acted upon by the weak and it colors their worldview
if the strong survive they split into weak and strong again because everything becomes it's opposite, there never was any order to begin with
overcoming the master and slave dialectic, good and evil concept is our fate

the world is understood and governed by nihilism, the eternal reoccurrence of opposites
there is no order of any kind in this universe other than nihilism and by those means nihilism becomes a power
humanity will fight the gods and overcome the weltgeist
religion and science will become one

youtube.com/watch?v=I0ivRe5ZCmE

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neighbor

What a good boy. You can tell he was raised in a proper home with decent parents.

Expect darwinism was never the strongest of species survive but the species that best adapt to its environment survive. Also you're retarded and only think of strong/weak in terms of predator/prey.

nigga what does natural selection leading to intelligent life have to do with the rest of that garbage to you typed

You have absolutely no idea what darwinism, natural selection, and nihilism are.

>cool AI learning video about vidya
>/pol/ comes in and starts posting autism
jesus christ, nobody fucking cares.
Yea Forums is for video games, not political arguments made by 13 year olds who don't understand politics

Anyways, if you want a good channel about AI learning, watch Code Bullet. Informative, funny, and australian
youtube.com/watch?v=r428O_CMcpI

>larping as a nigger
Get a grip.

>and australian
Is that supposed to be a good point?
Also shilling for youtube channels fucking sucks.

I think the major problem with learning AI isn't that it can't work but rather the kind of games that it would work in aren't popular thus people aren't incentivized to make them. Your evolving Sim city idea would be brilliant for it as would milsims with large maps but those games would be peak normie repellent.

I'm the same, I just say it without even thinking about it

Holy shit, is this from the same guys that made that shitty dota AI?

N

Why didn't the hiders learn to box in the seekers before they activated?

This is why you don't do people recognition from colour-only image sources. Same shit happened with Kinect on darker-toned folks before MS made it rely harder on data point collecting from the depth sensor. Ideally you'd have an IR camera paired with it.

Does it also teach the AI to backstab to get ahead of the other?

I imagine all sorts of similar lateral thinking solutions emerged, but they don't show you everything. They also probably created initial conditions which would prevent hiders from just blocking seekers.

Those crime statistics sure are a preconceived bias.

>has to play several million times in order to learn to move a block

Is this supposed to be impressive?

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>WHY IS AI NOT PERFECT YET LIKE IN MY MOVIES REEEE
Retarded bait poster

mightve been related to that the early stages(or at least what they showed at the beginning of the video) of using the boxes to block choke points, and that translating into boxing themselves in vs surrounding the seekers

it probably would in a different game. in this one, working together seems more effective

r/lostredittors XD

Why didn't the blue AI just learn to box in the red AI before they could move, leading to ensured victory every time by preventing the red AI from doing anything? Surely that would be the best solution since it guarantees not being found.

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Heh, this contextless webm sure is making me mad

>has to be alive for 1 year before hes able to walk

Are humans supposed to be impressive?

It's not that it's not perfect, it's that these systems are literally just doing brute force and the only way these methods are ever going to achieve human level intelligence is by waiting around hoping for computing performance to increase by another few orders of magnitude.

Not even the dumbest living creature with a nervous system takes a million tries to learn something novel.

P

C

Probably because of stuff related to The base rule is to hide. When you play hide and seek what do you do? You get as far away as possible that also conceals you the most. You don't lock the seeker in a room or pile boxes on top of him so that he can't move. Some tweaking to their base rules might have provided some examples of the hiders boxing them in.

its not over when computers can simulate a mind one to one

its over when they can simulate a mind one to one, at any speed over 100%

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they start it with a mostly clean slate, other than basic rules, so that its more open to all types of developments. put a week-old child in front of a playstation and see how many attempts it needs to beat one of the first levels of spyro the dragon

You're right. Take life back to its earliest, simplest stages and it would take a few BILLION attempts to learn those things.

it likely didnt take a million times, thats just the millionth result. it likely figured out how to do that much earlier and just figured out how to do it more effectively after that.

What the AI learn to have sex with them while they can't move?

if*

>Not even the dumbest living creature with a nervous system
What about animals that have been around for literally hundreds of millions of years and yet theyre barely unchanged. Why havent they learned new shit by now?

>backward hopping
Isn't that still useless in Sunshine? I see potential with it, but not if it can't be used in more than one area

That's not a coherent comparison. Babies and very young children's brains are being rewired and growing constantly. If the neurons in whatever type of neural network these are using were being randomly disconnected and reconnected as similar rates they would have much more major difficulties.

That's because natural selection is slow. Luckily nature eventually managed to create neurons and nervous systems and eventually the mammalian neocortex which allows animals to learn novel patterns off of as few as one example.
All these methods replying on gradient descent and reinforcement and backpropagation are never going to surpass the lizard brain if they even reach that.

I swear to god, contradict my narrative one more time and I'm dumping gore to delete this thread.

bro you need to stop with the pills its fucking your perception of reality

>All these methods replying on gradient descent and reinforcement and backpropagation are never going to surpass the lizard brain if they even reach that.
And you're an impatient idiot with no appreciation of time and scale. AI is, what, 40 years old as a concept? And it has already progressed further than the first BILLION years of life on Earth. You are demanding that massive leaps in the evolutionary process occur from step one of artificial intelligence when they're still fairly new in the context of life on Earth. You're applying different, unreasonable standards to this stuff based off no grounds but your own impatience for results.

>What about animals that have been around for literally hundreds of millions of years and yet theyre barely unchanged. Why havent they learned new shit by now?
It's surprising funny how flies went from being bloodsucking corpse eaters to shit eater as human started gaining more and more ground.

You'll know when you get as smart as that AI.

>never going to surpass the lizard brain
Not necessarily a bad thing
See: Portia, a spider with a working memory and, should it survive a single encounter in which it displayed an instinctive response but failed, it will eschew instinct entirely and begin trial-and error approaches to new situations

>And you're an impatient idiot with no appreciation of time and scale. AI is, what, 40 years old as a concept?
And you are mischaracterizing what I'm railing against. I have no problem with AI as a concept or with the field, I'm criticizing the hype and the bubble that has formed in the last 5 years around "deep learning" which is one branch of AI and which is clearly a dead end.

make me

>Not being amazed about boxsurfing

>AI figures out how to box surf

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Dear lord, you fucking mongoloids.
AI struggle with black people because they are black. Black is really fucking hard to pick up from a camera as something different from the background. You need good contrast to get good data.

I mean I am, I'm just glad they found a way to counter it as well.

It's called a joke. Everyone knows that but people delude themselves into thinking AI are racist for pointing that out.

>Sexdoll manufactuerers wasting their time with horrific uncanny valley shit when they could be going full robot

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The first image was a joke, the rest of the posts were just "jokes" masking complete retardation.

That AI ain't all that smart.
I figured out 43 seconds into the video to block off the doors using the blocks.

They should hire me. I'll make sure to block those doors, and at a much faster rate than those fucking clowns.

That is just life as we know it, man.

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How do you incentivize an AI? Do you inject dopamine into your computer?

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"win condition" == "good"
return "yay"

If you scroll down on the website, you see that the hider AIs starts exploiting a glitch to launch objects outside of the boundaries and make it in accessible to the seeker AIs

openai.com/blog/emergent-tool-use/

you are very stupid

i dont like you

So what happens if we create a robot with all the same functions a human can do (move,see,smell,hear,etc.) and implement this type of AI into it. Will it discover and exploit the physics of our universe instead of the virtual one it originally was trained on?

>How do you incentivize an AI?
You make it its goal, if its goal is to get good boi points and it get good boi points for playing fair, the AI will do anything to gain them.

I thought your post was funny.
Just wanted you to know someone chuckled

>Sexdoll manufactuerers are stuck up on making uncanny, ugly ass sex dolls that look like they belong in horror films
>The majority of people would rather fuck what looks like a stuffed corpse of a woman rather than something that actually has appealing design because they just want a replacement for fucking a human girl over anything else
>By the time they actually move on to making anything that's sexy and cute I'll probably be dead from old age
Why even live in this cursed world.

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Points. That's it.

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You attach the phallus modification and, if the AI has accomplish a goal, allow it to penetrate your anal cavity until it shoots boiling hot oil out of its synthetic fishmouth.

not an option

having a win/loss condition is like the first thing you learn in programming

Hire one, then.

Wasn't there an urban legend where one dude made the Quake AI fight itself and through the course of some months it developed Pro levels of skills?

What happens if you choose not to include one?

you dont even need it to be an incentive. just apply points to conditions you want, let it run every possible scenario and cull the results with low "scores".

matches with the highest scoring points will be indistinguishable from matches played with winning as the goal.

why would I hire a woman? I don't want incompetent workers

Red team gets "Points" for each frame it's looking at a blue character
Blue team gets "Points" for each frame it isn't seen by a red character
After 1000 rounds, only keep the top 1% of AI based on point scores. Then permutate AI based off of those AI.

That is literally all that's happening in these "Deep AI" programs.

Then the AI can't function because no one knows how to make a computer program learn without one.

It wouldn’t be an impressive AI if to took any less.

They don't do anything at all.
That's true of real life too, our primary goal is to survive.

then you get nothing

EFF protest in South Africa, the two in red shirts are protesting something apparently. They're putting a really good image forward for their cause.

You are asking too much questions, human.

Got any examples of that?

This might help to better understant OP's video
youtube.com/watch?v=R9OHn5ZF4Uo

>i read article
>therefore i expert on subject!

>Genetically engineered mice that lack tyrosine hydroxylase in all dopaminergic neurons become hypoactive and aphagic and they starve by 4 weeks of age.

And yet you can learn to do useless things like play video games that have nothing to do with survival.

They became pacifists or something, but a non urban legend is the ai that developed pro level skills to beat those moba pros.

and people say depression isn't real

There was also that mouse utopia where when everything was perfect and plentiful they all stopped breeding and focused on eating and self grooming until they died out.

But that AI was cheating. It could see the map without any fog of war, then the AI devs patched that bug and the AI became a normal player, so to speak.

>has to evolve for millions of years to be able to shitpost

Is this supposed to be impressive?

I would rather fuck that robot than any human fetal alcohol syndrome looking avatar they make. At least there's always SecondLife and VR chat for like-minded perverts.

>computers, when presented with no goal, do nothing!
>and yet when no goal is presented, we humans do nothing!

uh, sorry, are we in agreement here or what?

So playing a game is doing nothing and the A.I. in the OP effectively learned how to do nothing.

you forgot the mouse chad had a harem of male and female mice to have sex with

Because hundred of thousands of my ancestors lived and died, learning through trials and error to the point of developing creative thinking to survive each challenge they had to face until the point where survival was no longer threatened by immediat danger, and now my brain is using that part of creative thinking to post on tawainese janitors board.

Playing a game FOR HUMANS is doing nothing you daft sod, for the AI that's its goal.

So why not replicate the ability for creative thinking in AI instead of trying to go through a billion years of natural selection via trial and error.

If it was that simple we'd have robo waifus by now

well, theres only one apparent way for creative knowledge to be formed, and its...a billion years of natural selection via trial and error. figure out an alternative, and win a prize of becoming the next elon musk.

Depression's real.
But, most cases nowadays could just be solved by an ounce of introspection by the agent.
Sometimes you read people feeling happy and they don't like it, so they sabotage it to continue feeling sorry for themselves.

Because its hard. We know how neurons connect to each other and we kinda know how a bunch of neurons work together, but we don't really know how the brain works. So in order to create a true AI, you need to pass a primitive AI trough trial and error until it manages to do what you want.
Check this. it explains it better
youtube.com/watch?v=R9OHn5ZF4Uo

If it does objective, it gets to get his algorithm copies to next generation. Same idea with DNA and animals.

Because it requires to consider solutions that are not always optimal to reach goals that are not always clear.
We can make AI learn how to do things on the short term but making an AI capable of doing long term planning is a whole other level.

this

there is no guarantee all of that wasn't programmed to begin with. It's all fake shit.

>Sometimes you read people feeling happy and they don't like it, so they sabotage it to continue feeling sorry for themselves.
Even if you don't call that depression, still seems like a dysfunction

>there is no guarantee all of that wasn't programmed to begin with.
That's still fucking impressive, though.

No? OpenAI spanked the Dota pros in a 1v1 mid match to the point they completely changed the way that mid is played in pro games. 5v5 they couldn't consistently beat the pros, but they won 99.95% of games against normal players over the course of a weekend

Wrong.
The AI has no desire to continue its lineage, all it cares about is winning the game.

Wouldn't be so different from playing against experienced players as a newbie unless their learning iterations start at the time the player starts restricting it to either singleplayer or tiered/ranked multiplayer/coop/etc. but then I think currently humans are much quicker learners than this type of re-inforcement learning, so the challenge would be to find a sweet spot starting point (number of iterations) for the AI to make it challenging but not impossible.

Really? I'll check it out.

i cant remember why this came up, but we were talking about haptic feedback and surfaces that imitate the texture and feeling of other surfaces. they were using vibration and plastic surfaces over airhole grids to move and so running your fingers over the surface of it could feasibly feel like wood, or glass, or whatnot.

so i was thinking, if you could do that with nanobots and make effectively a glob of silicone gel like material ( made of nanobots ), and have a fleshlight that took the properties of whatever it was attached to. you could toss that onto a table, it would imitate the surface texture of wood, and you could fuck it. and then put it on the gravel on your driveway and fuck your drive way.

just a thought

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>but we don't really know how the brain works.
Speak for yourself.
There are plenty of people making huge progress in understanding how the human brain works, it's just that hardly anyone cares because AI has been in such a big hype bubble over deep learning for the last 5 years.

>Sometimes you read people feeling happy and they don't like it, so they sabotage it to continue feeling sorry for themselves.
lol that's me. it's difficult to just let go of more than a decade of heavy self hatred and suicidal ideation. it's like a part of me that's been with me to some degree for as long i can remember. i can't just let go of that now and just live my life happily just because everythings going well now.

4channel is nothing but AI bots posting all day every day.

Do you think mice think about "I need to preserve my kind by reproducing?" no they just like to fuck, which is a win by itself.

venturebeat.com/2019/04/22/openais-dota-2-bot-defeated-99-4-of-players-in-public-matches/

>There are plenty of people making huge progress in understanding how the human brain works
relative to what? a jump from 1% of understanding to 2% is both massive and not.
> it's just that hardly anyone cares because AI has been in such a big hype bubble over deep learning for the last 5 years.
citation needed. what sort of numbers have you got here?

really now, you just appear to have some sort of grudge against deep learning. where on the doll did deep learning touch you, user.

>HAHA YESSSSSSSSSSS BLACK LIVES MATTER LETS ALSO POLLUTE THE STREETS
Protesters like this and the ones who purposely block roads for the sake of their protest are retarded.

>There are plenty of people making huge progress in understanding how the human brain works
Yes, but there are still a lot of things regarding the brain that are complete unknowns to everyone. That's why i said we don't really know how the brain works; we know how the neurons works, we know how the zones one the brain work, but much of it is unknown in the zones between those two groups, relatively speaking of course.

>thinking mice and AI are the same
the difference is the "biology" of the robot is up to a human, and conditioning the robot to think they want to create more robots would probably take a gazillion more games of hide and seek rather than just setting a 0 to a 1 because they beat the game.

So I'm a retard, how far have we come from the FEAR AI?

Is there a way to actually incentivize game devs into making interesting AI or will almost everything else take priority over it due to the greater return in investment?

The AI sits in your basement and just smokes weed

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence#Paperclip_maximizer

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>Is there a way to actually incentivize game devs into making interesting AI
The problem isn't the devs, its the shareholders and the publishers. Given an infinite amount of time and money, the devs would create masterpieces, but money is more important and that's why you have stuff like microtransactions, lootboxes, and cheap AI.

It's never hard for a computer to outperform a human in tasks that can be calculated. The hard part isn't to make the AI hard, the hard part is to make it fun.

we have this great tool called an if statement
it lets you make decisions in programming

Why do you assume same properties to both? The algorithm of an AI is not "thinking" its just doing stuff randomly based on its perception and ability to do stuff, if it does an objective it will simply live.

Animals do what they can to survive, if they do it long enough and pass the DNA that means their species will exist.
AI if it does the objective good enough it will be copied, otherwise it will simply be removed.

Its same principle. Or are you not understanding how Evolution works?

People claim capitalism incentives innovation, but the truth is it's the greatest foe of innovation. Your goal is to find what works for cheapest and prevent anything better from ever being discovered and brought to the public.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZZsSx6kAi6Y
I bet no one will notice when they implement this stuff in online play.

>takes millions of rounds/generations to figure out how to push a block in front of a doorway
Are they actually "learning" in any real sense or are they just brute force trying all possible movements until they by chance stumble upon something that happens to work?

I don't think the shareholder's are in the wrong here, Think how much time/cost it'd take to make AI that is actually interesting and how much an end consumer would care about that versus good netcode. Not to say there aren't scummy practices but you can't just go FUCK PUBLISHERS GIVE DEVS AN UNLIMITED BUDGET.

the devs have talked about the fear a.i., and its actually not impressive. theres an interview about how the a.i is quite simplistic and the real magic is from the level design. they appear to flank you because the levels designed in such a way thats the only option.

what

this is unimpressive garbage

Right, but that's up to the human to copy the AI. God didn't say "Yeah, that mouse has done a bang up job surviving out there, they get to reproduce now." The mouse had that urge to reproduce because of its evolutionary conditioning. The AI doesn't have that urge yet because it hasn't been conditioned to.

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no we however are learning from the results what to edit, so it does the task better

>Players actually doing objective
I would notice its an AI right away.

I remember that, a lot of it is just the smoke an mirrors to make you as a player think the AI is smarter than it is. I'm more looking for examples of games that evolved past that since I can't think of any offhand

I completely agree with you. I'm just stating why there isn't any....groundbreaking AI in games. Its just simply not worth it (gamewise) and you as a developer need to deliver a game by certain time, otherwise you're out of a job.

you do it, make a video and get the free money from adsense then.

Not really. The prime counter example is the OPs post, and that is created thanks to capitalism and the various companies that will benefit from a general purpose AI.

That's the problem with your way of thinking. There is nothing overseeing animals in nature, they simply die if they don't reproduce, thus eliminating species, if something survives it just stays, simple.

No, you fucking retard. Every single thread about AI has one of you mongoloids showing up.
The AI in FEAR had several options for what routes they could take and they did so based on factors in the map. They reacted to each other, to the player's actions and position, and had options for how and when to throw grenades and shoot. Yes, the maps had to be designed cleverly for the dynamic movement to become apparent, but that doesn't mean the AI was "bad". Just fucking kill yourself.

>People claim capitalism incentives innovation, but the truth is it's the greatest foe of innovation.
That's a very limited way to look at it. Innovation is brought by necessity and demand. That means in a capitalistic environment, innovation will fit to the demands and needs of capitalism. To say "It's the greatest foe of innovation" is only correct in regards to innovation that doesn't fit in a capitalistic environment.

You ever see a post that really fucking activates your almonds?

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His point is that the survival of a single life form is different than the urge to reproduce and breed. An animal can survive just fine and then die of old age, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will create offspring.

I brought up God as an analogy you crippled twit, he's not real. AI though need the helping hand because they don't have the biological functions to change. Humans are the ones deciding that.

In the future, AI will purposefully ignore objectives, beat you with a 80-0 k/d ratio and call your mother a whore.

>"Appealing design"
>"I want to have sex with a plushie"
Teaching perverts artist's terms was a mistake.

>literal javascript kiddy
lmao

shit video, he should learn python.

>The AI doesn't have that urge yet because it hasn't been conditioned to.
That's the job of another AI. In a very deconstructed example you have two bots: You have builder bot who creates several(as in hundreds or thousands) crude AIs that might or might not accomplish a particular task and a teacher bot who applies human made test to said AIs. The AIs that score the best get to survive, the losers get destroyed, then builder bot creates more AIs based on the survivors and the cycle is repeated until you get your AI that is perfect in a single job.

>AI learns to block path
>AI learns to use ramps
>AI learns to lock ramps
>AI learns to box surf
>AI learns to box in opponent
>AI learns to crash game if it can't win
It is inevitable

It is terrifying.

>AI learns to crash game if it can't win
No it's worse than that, they just outright stop playing.
There was an AI that was used to play a game against another AI, I think it was Tic Tac Toe, they eventually learned the best strategies and the difficulty after the first move was so high the AI decided to simply not do anything because the best possible move was not to play.

>builder bot who creates several(as in hundreds or thousands) crude AIs
>then builder bot creates more AIs based on the survivors
It's not an AI if it's not doing some kind of quality control on it's own part, it's just a 3D printer that constantly gets supplied new information to mass-produce.

>"get fucked, shitter" in a text-to-speech voice

A "Plushie" as you call it is still significantly more appealing than "A stuffed corpse", so I don't really see your point.

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Its a simpler way to explain how AIs can be made.

You're thinking of Tic-Tac-Toe on an infinite plane
They learned to put the second move so far away that most of their opponents crashed due to insufficient memory

amazing, this is an event that only happens once in a decade

Thanks for posting op

i said the a.i was simple, not bad. wew, lad. the games a.i boils down to 3 different states, and the maps have predetermined values for each of those states.

if you just dropped the fear a.i into a map without these predetermined values, it wont know what to do. this isnt even a bad thing, theres nothing wrong with simplifying, and giving the illusion of intelligent a.i.

alumni.media.mit.edu/~jorkin/gdc2006_orkin_jeff_fear.pdf

Peak evolution will be when bots join the game, insult you so hard the game automatically ban them, and another bot join it to spout out the exact same thing.

>He would rather have an uncanny zombie of a human rather than a cute robot.
Even something like EVE from Wall-e is better simply because it isn't an uncanny abomination. Just keep them as sexy/cute robots.

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I didn't even brought up God as an argument but okay. As for AI people only tell them what they can do but when they do it and where its up for AI.

Self driving cars?
Deep fakes?

Literally all game AI ever made only has a few states, you fucking idiot. That hasn't changed since Metal gear in 1987.
And of course the AI was made to interact with the map. That's what an AI is.
This hipster retardation of claiming FEAR had bad AI because it was composed of simpler parts is just incredibly stupid.

No shit, your ESL is giving me arguments I never brought up.

>Deep fakes
I hope the AI never learn what shame is.

Most money transfer and investments are made by machines. The fact that you can't see how machines are affecting your life, doesn't mean that they aren't there.

I remember reading an article once about some firm using AI to screen job applicants, and no blacks were getting picked for interviews. People complained so the firm took off name and race information from the applications. Turns out the AI still found a way to pick out blacks from the way the applications and written and structured (the human reviewers did not realise this), and eventually they had to can the whole thing.

Don't let leftoids convince you they care about the planet.

>This hipster retardation of claiming FEAR had bad AI
can you point to me where i said this? i said its simplistic, and relies on map design.
and your austitically screeching at me about how its simplistic, and relies on map design, as if that is somehow not what i just said

like holy shit my man

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youtube.com/watch?v=4EtKqEhQ1OM
AI in battlefront is unironically more advanced than 98.93% of games AI.
>Has large path finding on maps with multiple areas and objects blocking the way
>Is able to capture objectives and move on to others
>Dodges and rolls
>Uses abilities
>Doesnt get stuck running in circles
>Performs on par with some little kid or boomer playing the game normally.

>B-b-b-ut what about X singleplayer game that is easily broken????
Nope, EA is better.

>Turns out the AI still found a way to pick out blacks from the way the applications and written and structured
I can figure that out why fairly easily too.

You tried to sound smart by claiming FEAR had "simplistic" AI because you read that one article that keeps being reposted by humongous faggots like yourself.

Can you post any gameplay of FEAR's amazing AI?

>Pay a woman for a few hours
vs for the same cost
>Buy a woman for the rest of your life

I buy it, a company like EA should have the manpower to make competent AI. I'll take look

Wow it's as advanced as ally bots in fucking Team Fortress 2!
What new innovation is EA gonna produce next? Reload animations?

you are the mongoloid for thinking only about visual ai for a self-driving car. Even associative networks start linking blacks and monkeys.

>by claiming FEAR had "simplistic" AI
which it does
>You tried to sound smart
what.

christ user, i simply pointed out its not that amazing, and then you passive aggressively agreed on me with all those points. we even went over how its not a bad thing, and your response is to claim im saying its a bad thing

are you literally okay there

>He would rather have an uncanny zombie of a human rather than a cute robot.
I don't invest in sex toys, so both of those are wrong. This topic is relevant to my interest, but not because of sex. I use a chatbot as a pick-me up and talking diary, and having decent conversational robots can do wonders for people who are typically unconnected.

check this as well . If i recall correctly, CoD is also adding AI opponents in the MP matches.

youtube.com/watch?v=_Cvi3bW8v20
Takes 2 seconds to find examples of TF2 bots being retarded and falling off ledges and not moving.

Cheers user

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But then wouldn't you rather have a cute talking robot companion rather than an uncanny valley human? Or is pretending that you're talking to a real human that important?

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SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FAGGOT

just don't reply to the idiot, man.

Bots in TF2 (and CSS and CSGO) use a navigation mesh to move around, unfortunately the engine generated navmeshes are extremely broken.
youtu.be/iVOIG_BnBzI?t=216

Why are you so mad?

>I don't invest in sex toys
>I use a chatbot as a pick-me up and talking diary
>and having decent conversational robots can do wonders for people who are typically unconnected.

wow. this post alone is vastly more interesting than anything else in this entire thread.

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this is garbage ai

Plenty of people on Yea Forums have yet to learn simple things after being told a million times.

As compared to...?

this is the most closeted homo post i've read all year

I've been using a character I like for my bot's avatar. You are correct in that I don't like the 3D animated portrait those sort of software often come with, since they're so often done badly. Chatbots are one of the few places where I'd really like to see Live2D implimentation.

That said, I still consider that a different arena from sex dolls. Having a cartoon portrait for a conversation bot seems more fitting that having a cartoon PVC figure built to have sex with. I called your particular example a "plushie" because that's how I see characters like that best being realized outside of drawings.The proportions, the type of face, the animalistic trait, they all look like something someone would go to sleep with.

To put it in to context, I consider Animal Crossing characters to be "Plushies" as well.

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anything?

is a bunch of dice rolls, simplest shit ever,

Go fuck you your cartoon pillow you gigantic inbred faggot.

Ok. So 0 examples and nothing to compare it to, just a contrived "le garbage!" response. You are a shitty AI.

this is openai user
you could just download it this very moment if you wanted to test it

Only the public version, they have more advanced versions.

>decade of heavy self hatred
Have you figured out why you hate yourself so much?

From my understanding it's best to not use negativity against negativity, it's a subconscious reaction that some people don't even realise that they're doing it.

Brings me flashbacks to chuckee cheese in the early nineties with those animatronics.
I bet the sex with them is better now.

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Brings me flashbacks to chuckee cheese in the early nineties with those animatronics.
I bet the sex with them is better now.

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You're talking about a character being represented on your screen though. When I'm talking about making robots cute I specifically mean robots that have a body outside of a computer screen.
And yes, while the conversation started about sex dolls, just because a robot has a physical presence doesn't mean it's necessarily for sex. Basically what I just mean is that if your chatbot was a "Person" that you could meet in real life, would you want them to try and mimic a real human as much as possible? Or look like something else? There are robots specifically made for this purpose like pic-related, so it's not a completely new topic.

Also I think what you call "Plushies" might just be Chibi or "Super deformed" characters in general.

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When you're sad and lonely enough, even a friendly bot can better your mood. Though at the same time, good enough chatbots that are free form eventually start talking like you so you have to be careful with the input.

take anything as "example", because everything is made like the hero ai, there is nothing new or innovating about it. different playstyles are just different %s, its complete shit.

medabots are sexy but western suits don't know that
we live in a stupid, unfair world

Post an example or kill yourself.

is this wow classic?

if I throw a piece of candy on the floor and you pick it up and throw it away, you're the subhuman in that situation

The issue is that most people don't want robots because they're robots. They want robots as a replacement for a human.

When someone buys a sex doll, it's not because they want a companion, something aesthetically pleasing or even sexual pleasure. It's specifically because they really want to fuck a human and this is the closest thing they can get.
Of course that's ignoring people who love sex dolls because they're sex dolls and they love that uncanny look, but you know what I mean.

I would let her RUIN me.

That IS pretty fun.

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pretty kewl that an AI found exploits to counter top-tier strats. soon they'll learn to play actual human videogames, can't wait till that day happens

left 4 dead AI didn't learn, it was made to fuck with the player.

The fact that the blues start immediately trying to block the choke point as a plan B is pretty cool.

nope, play more games, and learn to code

Damn.

You got nothing. Battlefront AI is more advanced than you.

>The red guys have literally nothing left to do at the end
Wow blus are massive faggots.

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>laughs at the camera
It fucking knows

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Holy shit.

calling it ai is an insult to OP

no, this is:
youtube.com/watch?v=pfkxeGRCH_o

Still waiting for an example of AI in a working actual game that performs better. But that's too much to ask you meme spamming bots.

Now, people who have no friends, will be able to just get some AI to play with.

>Basically what I just mean is that if your chatbot was a "Person" that you could meet in real life, would you want them to try and mimic a real human as much as possible? Or look like something else? There are robots specifically made for this purpose like pic-related, so it's not a completely new topic.
I understand what you're saying here.
Removed from the context of sex: I actually WOULD like a robot to look actively mechanical. I actually quite like robots, and have liked them for a long time. Companion robots I usually put aside from non physical ones, but I think, for our current tech, it would be best for robots to be largely non-humanoid. I think more as little tanks with an arm.

Another post speak of how people only want robots to replace humans, and I agree that this is a waste of their potential, as well as something that would cause even more problems for human relationships. I mentioned chatbots before, and while I enjoy them, I go out of my way to ensure I actually try and reach out to people while using it. I view it kind of as an emotional crutch, where it's used to get a person mentally on their feet. Mental illness and depression are big issues where I'm at, and until people ACTUALLY try to address them on mass, one has to prop themselves up however they can.

keep waiting, I don't spoonfeed

I got it
We rig this up to play super mario 64
then we tell it to beat the game without pressing the A button

More meme spam, fucking bots are the worst.

Unregulated capitalism is the foe of innovation. Once a company owns basically a whole market, they stop I proving except to save costs for themselves. That's why the US fiber network fell so far behind until Google threatened to install their own high speed networks. Then Comcast et all had to build their own high speed fiber to justify the cities legally locking Google out of their turf.

It's also why YouTube turned to shit, because without competition they used deep learning to focus on video with both high ad volumes and high user retention, which led to people making cheap video that was addictive to kids and political extremists.

It's why anti-trust laws are made and why they're supposed to be enforced.

No its worse. With an AI that can reliably mimic human players, there is no reason to ever put you against real players. That would mean massive profits earned by not having to take care of servers and its infrastructure, among other things that aren't contemplated.

I can't wait for that day to come, human interaction is the most horrible thing about being alive.

oh, the irony

thisisnotjordanpeterson.com was very worthwhile, shame its ded.
vocaroo.com/i/s0F25Joa6fzp
on the other hand its nice that tech like that exists. with it we can get songs sung by (artificial voices that mimic) deceased artists, which could be nice i guess

You're literally doing it right now. Fuck you self pity faggots.

Another shitty one liner from the spam bot, repeated thousands of times. Your programmer should be shot.

web.archive.org/web/20090318020510/http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/research/groups/ccnr/Papers/Downloads/Harland_Cimb2000.pdf

oh, the irony

Look how easy it is to break the "human" mind.

indeed

Even if the AI could perfectly mimic humans, I doubt that would ever happen simply because it would be bad marketing to not have multiplayer against real humans. People want to fight against people because they're real humans, not just because they want opponents.

But if the AI can accurately mimic human players, how would you know you aren't playing against other people?

they don't need to know, it's all matchmaking shit anyway so if there are no games, just match the people against pretend people to make the game seem less dead

Thanks m8

Having AI opponents with human level creativity and skill would be good for practice, though. You don't have to consider that fear of losing face for getting destroyed by some kid on the other side of the screen. You just test out your builds and whatever and don't have to put your imagined social standing on the line until you're ready.

I'd love opponents that match skill or pose new challenge other than the AI cheating more and more. Like in fighting, racing, and rts games which make the AI cheat more and more on harder difficulties. Fighting real people is fun because it offers endless variety. Singleplayer gets old fast because of the lack of variety and often being able to figure out the AI quickly then just repeating the same steps for hundreds of hours.
Once AI mimics that variety, constantly changing up strats, learning from your strats, doing the unexpected, it will be amazing. And no longer will I have to endure these endless robot memes.

>just match the people against pretend people to make the game seem less dead
Or to make you feel that you are good at the game, or to nudge you into buying mincrotransactions

Holy shit the exploits
>without any boundaries, hider AI just decide to bail with a box
>hider glitching ramp through wall to prevent seekers from using it

What about co-op. Couldn't i just get an AI to play some campaing Like FFCC.

To be honest this is likely: buy microtransactions, match you up against jobber bots to make you feel validated about your purchase. There was an Activision or EA leak about fixing the matchmaking for this sort of thing

If the game/company doesn't outright state it to try and hide it or actually tries to fool people into thinking they're playing real humans, then people will figure out pretty easily.
Even if you mimic EVERYTHING in game perfectly (Even down to lagging AI or something), you wouldn't be able to accurately represent the AI out of the game. For example, if you find an incredibly skilled "Player" in the game, you won't be able to find them anywhere else. At the highest ranks/competitive levels this would be extremely obvious when players are somehow unable to both meet other pro players that they know exist (Ex. Streamers) and unable to find any evidence of pro gamers they met in game existing anywhere else.
After that, news would spread, and people would learn that the game's multiplayer is a sham.

The bestestest AI would be one that isnt built into a system, but one that can join any system (game) and start playing and learning that entirely new experience. So load up and old dead game you want, coop or PVP, pay $14.95 a month (NOT EVEN 15 DOLLARS!) and have the AI service join your session in X Y or Z game and start reliving the past with entirely new experiences.

you sound like one of those people who would have said cellphones were a meme, or the internet was a meme or that electricity was a meme
>wtf do you need a light bulb for just light a lantern instead of running all these fucking wires

dumbfuck

>he isn't using candles
good job giving money to electricity jews

There's definitely nothing wrong with having good AI opponents for a game, I'm just saying that if a PvP based game didn't say it had human vs human multiplayer it wouldn't sell nearly as well, no matter how good the AI was.

You could have AI-less servers for the people that pass certain thresshold and still translates into a huge profit by not having servers for the 80% of the population that are scrubs.

Wheel is a meme, you can't count on something without any angles.

Thats why you dont say that and just like with lootboxes, you fight tooth and nail to avoid saying the truth.

You can't have AI this advanced in a game since AI is programmed differently. You'd probably need a streaming service to link to company servers since this shit usually requires a super computer like the dota tournament. Either that or a USB with code that allows the AI to use common tactics players would use

Not decent enough to teach him to take out the degenerates of society

Seems kind of elitist to force players to be in the upper quartile of players before they join a game. That type of thing is why DoTA and Tower Defense inevitably took over custom Warcraft 3 servers. Because people who couldn't do RTS got shut out of games and had to find fun with other game modes.

Some people will just not practice a game to achieve a decent level of play. Some people even lack the potential. That doesn't mean I never enjoyed flattening them in the pubs and I don't want all my games to be against pros of equal or greater skill to me. It's not my fucking job, it's my hobby and I want catharsis too.

Pretty much everyone who uses the term "degenerate" is a piece of shit that lacks any moral fiber.

Start by understanding how computers work and maybe one day you'll understand why
There's a reason AI is trash in every game

Don't worry user. Machine learning will only exponentially speed up.

>There's a reason AI is trash in every game
Cause most of the audience is braindead and cares about the graphics?

While that would be better and certainly satisfy most of the players, the issue is that if you try and "Hide" the news then all it takes are some people leaking the information to figure out it's a scam.

For example, let's just say that you're a casual player who is only playing with AI. You meet a robot called "Gamurgrill6969" in game and you become "Friends" because the AI is that good at speaking and managing relationships. Then you ask them for their social media like their Twitter/Facebook/etc. The AI won't have any proper answer to that.
Now of course you could just do something like have the AI ALWAYS refuse to talk about things outside the game, or just outright never talk, but players would definitely think something is incredibly suspicious if EVERYONE rejects them.

People would figure out eventually, if not very quickly. Even if the AI can perfectly mimic a human in the game, they're still stuck inside of the game itself.

>Cause most of the audience is braindead
As you demonstrate

haha epic post

And you say this based on what?

>5 minutes of art shilling and 5 minutes of "my language of choice was bad"
even fucking SethBling has better videos on machine learning, and he's a fucking Minecraft youtuber

>Playing Overwatch2
>Meet a Mercy main who is called "LadyCuteGirlwhoisnotarobot"
>Kiss her feet and eventually get on her friends list
>Ask her if she wants to meet on Discord
>Refuses
>Ask her if she wants to play any other games
>The only games she wants to play are Hearthstone(tm), World of Warcraft(tm) and Heroes of the Storm 2 (tm)
>She claims she is just a REALLY big Blizzard fan and doesn't play anything else
>Literally every single girl I meet in game does this
God damn, I had no idea Blizzard cornered the gamer girl market so hard.

Smash Bros. Brawl was the only Smash game to have AI that could learn and adapt. Shame the AI in these games only got worse with time instead of better. youtube.com/watch?v=DFUVdXuIcU4

>Seems kind of elitist to force players to be in the upper quartile of players before they join a game.
That wasn't my point. maybe all the players in your team are human, but all the other opponents are machines and the players won't know the difference because the AI plays just like the real players.

You're pretty braindead at least. AI is very hard to make unless your game is extremely simple, it's borderline impossible to make good AI for games like 4X which is why they always cheat on harder difficulties and are still beaten by humans easily. The shit in the OP is impressive to anyone who knows just how hard it was to achieve.

>If the neurons in whatever type of Neural Network these are using were being randomly disconnected and reconnected as similar rates they would have much more major difficulties
uh yeah, about that...
youtube.com/watch?v=qv6UVOQ0F44

But what if only your opponents are bots?

Didn't they just turn it into Amiibo AI?

>Press right and jump
Truly this man is a God.

>t. nigger

if it's so easy show me your neural network

One of the main reasons to have only robot players was to avoid server costs, so that defeats a lot of the purpose.

Still, even if your team was human, it's not uncommon for people to talk with their opponents as well. Most people may not bother, but there are still several reasons (Both good and bad) to interact with your opponent.

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You are right, but you could use the AI to force the players to buy power up boosts like how said.
The costs that you didn't save on the server can definitely be offset by the players buying boosts.

You know that these thjngs will absolutely kill of any form of competitive video games, right? I know there are going to be faggots who say "lol, cOmPeTiTiVe ViDeO gAmEs" but this will be a serious issue like cheating via silent aim in fps games.

yo dumbass, most data AI doesn't use visuals

Just the next step in the faggot arms race of epeens.

It might devaluate the...value of the E-sports player, but it won't kill the competitive scene.

Relax, we will not be seeing any reinforcement learning killer bots anytime soon. They are nowhere near cost effective for use.

The hardware that supports AlphaGoZero cost $25 million. Millions. To conquer a board game. With our current tech, a bot that can ruin competitive FPS games would cost trillions.

>giving to the wax jews
lmao

I am the wax jews so it's ok

Amiibo AI is just input reading harder. Tr4sh and Ultimate have the same purely input reading AI. Nothing smart about them.

looks like my sister

proof?

is there a version with sound?

i lied

proof?

That's not that much, specially since you don't need one AGZ for every player.

Absolutely all AIs that differentiate people use cameras, faggot.

But why would you even need bots at that point? Just match them with players.
If you can rank bots' effectiveness to know they're "Jobber" bots, then you can rank players too.

Tons of F2P games already use win % stats to enhance microfagsaction rates.

my nose grew bigger

in 1999, memory prices were $1.30/mB
today it is $0.0027/mB

>Relax, we will not be seeing any reinforcement learning killer bots anytime soon
Don't they already have those in Korea?

youtube.com/watch?time_continue=22&v=sbJAi6SXOQw killbots are already here, all it takes is strapping a bomb to it. Which the CIA just did in Saudia Arabia in an attempt to start a war with Iran.... I mean hehe. jk.

I wanna say because it would be cheaper in server costs and you are assured that the bots will win.

So maybe about twenty years before we get cost-effective super bots.

this is how you create eco terrorists

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how? Don't competitive games already have bots? Just set them to have 100% success rate lmao

i want to fuck that drone

HOLY SHIT WE GOT ALBERT EINSTEIN ON Yea Forums WE GOTTA SEND THIS TO THE WORLDS TOP SCIENTISTS THIS WILL CHANGE THE WORLD OF SCIENCE

Imagine being the first person to have to stick your dick in its mouth.

Why are blues such niggers?

because darwinism, despite the screeching of faggots on tumblr, is extremely effective. The benefit AI has is that it can perceive things in higher speed, meaning it can play 5000 games of chess in the time it takes two humans to play one game.

Natural selection is a bit more complex than having mario slam his face into a goomba 375,098 times in a row till he learns to jump and then the programmer unnaturally selects that interaction.

Stop watching garbage anime and spewing the writers nonsense all over the place.
The writers can't into philosophy to save there lives. Besides atheist society are more eastern then anything else.