Lmao finally people waking up

>Fake Vanilla ass to mouth
What did he mean by this, bros?

somebody explain me why I would want to go back to the same exact old game I got bored out of

Classicucks on suicide watch.
You think you want it, but you don't.

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kungen is a retard. show me in patch notes or documentation that patch 1.12 class abilities or whatever dealing significant more damage or worldwide nerfs to enemy mobs and bosses.

LADS, IT APPEARS WE WEREN'T HOME AFTER ALL.
BLIZZARD GIVE US CLASSIC WOW CLASSIC VERSION

OMG TWITTER GUY SAID THAT?!

>there are people who dont understand that 15 years later that people know how to play the game better than they did when it was in the early internet days
>they dont understand that there are tons of guides all over the internet for every little aspect

>he doesnt know who kungen is
cuck and zoomercleavepilled

You can see it in how easy Molten Core is. Beating it without being geared, having most of your raid wipe but still taking out the last 1 or 2% with 15 men.

Its nerfed to fuck compared to the original.

you think you do
but you don't

ITT: You thought you wanted it, but you didn't

>zoomerfag doesn't understand that certain raids were impossible if you didn't have the correct gear
Not skill based at all, you retard

Only a retarded kids give a single fuck about what e-celebs and streamers say

>go to duskwood to farm defias enchanter mob for rare tailoring recipe
>it's none-elite
>defias enchanter did not get nerfed from elite until the middle of TBC
???

holy shit

ITT people that never actually raided in vanilla and dont know what a DPS check is.

based retard

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You know that a lot of the difficulty came from no one knowing what to do? While also playing on toasters and dialup?

>People literally want certain classes to be wholly useless with no utility or place in any content whatsoever
>People literally want PvP to be as broken as it was throughout 1.1.x
>People literally wanted Molten Core-balanced meta and not Naxx or Ahn'qiraj
I knew from the start spergs would melt down over this and I can't say it isn't satisfying.

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>Log in.
>Time to do some dungeons.
>LFM MAGES ONLY SPELLCLEAVE FARM
H-Home

When will people realize that they don't know what they want in their video games? Each time developers cater to cries it ends up as a failure

web.archive.org/web/20050209090415/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/mob.html?wmob=910

It was never an elite, retard.

I love how Classic is showing how much of a hypocritical retard Asmon is.

TBC was better in every way.

yeah im pretty sure most stuff is actually tbc values and not even 1.12 lmao

maybe blizzard weren't actually lying when they said they lost the code all those years ago? crazy

An old e-celeb is still an e-celeb.

meanwhile... assmongoloid is brought to tears at least once every raid
what the fuck is wrong with these people

old ecelebs
>soul
new ecelebs
>soulless
stop mixing shit up zoomie

>be streamer
>people give you good shit for free
>WTF! why is it so easy!?

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>its another retard whose first time playing was during the 'best expansion' episode

>Never heard of this guy before Classic hype
>Friend tells me about this guy and what a sperg he is, shows me his face
>Comment that he looks more like an Asmongoloid
>Mfw I find out that's actually his most common nickname

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Start your own group, it takes some getting used to but on my EU server it's fairly easy. There are lot of people just looking for a group that don't exactly fit any meta slot and you can also ask guild mates.

Molten Core is also literally the easiest raid in any MMO ever. The mechanics are completely fucking brain dead and the average skill level of your typical MMO player has gone up because they have to deal with more complex shit in 5-mans and a far stricter rotation.

based retard, kungen is not asmonshit

If playing Classic did one thing for me, it was make me want to level

In retail

I started in early 2005 fag. Vanilla is filled with BAD game design. BAD.

Vanilla was only hard for its tile anyone who played pservers knows how easy it is. BfA players wont be able to beat leveling tho.

Blizzard is the one company in which I'll say that they're better off ignoring their retarded as fuck playerbases.

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again, guides for every little thing.
MC was cleared 3 days after release. resistance gear is out the window as a mandatory thing.
BWL might take longer because Vael is a gear check
Ony cloaks are gonna be needed for Nef.
everyone else is gonna get BTFO

sure you did buddy :)

This is Kungen. He's literally as bad as Tigole and Furor when it comes to "balance." He thought warrior should be the ONLY tank and that hybrids shouldn't be in the game unless they were buff bots.

why are vanillafags so dense

I'll fucking beat you up once I run across the zone to turn in this one quest so I can pick up the followup located in the opposite end of the zone.

Cloaks might not even be needed for Nefarian if the throne trick still works, if it does the only ones who would need it are the tanks

Pure nostalgia and an utter refusal to acknowledge it's flaws.

sense of scale is a real thing you should look into :)

and when they roll out classic BC it'll be on the pre WOTLK patch where everything in BC including Sunwell is nerfed to shit
No way in hell they'll roll out bosses like M'uru when he caused spell pushback in phase 2

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>When I first played Vanilla ages ago, my mains were a human warrior, old dwarf hunter and orc shaman
>Over the years made backstories for them and progressed their personal development across all the expansions along with dozens of alts I made as an expanded cast of sorts, who each got the same treatment as those three
>Now for Classic I went back to those three and made characters related to them
>The Human's father, a mage, who in my headcanon died during the events of the original Warcraft
>The same Dwarf hunter, but young and in his prime instead of old and cranky
>And the orc's younger brother, a warrior who was killed within molten core during the original events of Vanilla
>Using the retcon as a chance to explore what these characters were like and how they'd shape the versions of the characters I have now in retail all these years later
On a scale of 1 to 10 how autistic am I

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I thought I wanted 1.12 but I didn't. I hate that Classic has effectively destroyed it's own concept by starting with a heavily patched version instead of the actual original release.

>On a scale of 1 to 10 how autistic am I
It's an RPG, user. There's nothing wrong with doing any of that

Classic was fucking sheit when you look back at it. No idea why fags wanna go back to that.

>tryhards learn their class, ideal guides, ideal addons, plan out their levelling route, take 2 weeks off work, play 12 hours a day and dungeoncleave to get to 60 ASAP
>completely miss the point of bringing back a more journey-over-destination game
>proceed to fuck the game for those actually taking their time by going back and ganking them, inflating AH prices and demanding they play the way you want them to by virtue of having an artificially high amount of 60s this early compared to vanilla
>cry and whine and bitch and moan that this isn't how they wanted the game to be

As shitty as blizzard is they did warn you. All they did was give you enough rope to hang yourself.

Like that time they finally listened to the decade of people unanimously complaining about the levelling in modern WoW being too quick and easy so they changed it to be harder and slower, only to have the fanbase flip the FUCK out and claim it was all done as a conspiracy to sell level boosts by making it "too hard and tedious" to level the regular way.

Nothing wrong with that. You should join an RP server if you want to be around others who do that.

Game design is a real thing you should look up.

meanwhile, in reality

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Anyone who already has more than one level 60 should be permabanned.

>private server database
Retard.

Why don't you look at the archived allakhazam link and you'll see it was a non-elite in 2005. This isn't the only case where private servers fucked up the elite status of mobs. Other examples of these are the mobs outside maraudon. One of them is an elite on nostcore, and the funniest part is that despite its elite status, it had the health of a normal mob. As a result, you could get elite exp from mobs that had non-elite health for ez exp.

Always the nostbabbies screaming that it's not like their private servers. Kill yourself.

>he compares private server database with wowhead one scraped from classic
Based retard.

Been waiting in queue for 2 hours already, almost there.

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Did you know by this point MC had been nerfed more than any raid in the games history? Did you know the Hp of everything had been nerfed by 50% twice? But it totally just how easy the mechanics are and not being able to maintain HPS and DPS right?

You're not going home. It's time to fucking accept.

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>all top guilds did
lmao

Yeah, the fun of Vanilla was only about UBRS and tier 1 progression.

>classic niggers will never know how it feels like to beat scholo and strat legit with 5 people for the first time

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So how does this answer me? I still think it's shit.

>hurrrr why is babby's first mmo's babby's first raid easy

>haven't played retail since the first raid tier in Legion
>quit because not enough time to play wow
>decide to play classic for Nostalgia
>already bored
>now I kind of want to play retail again so I can play my Death Knight
Damn, I guess I really though I did but in fact I didn't.

the only people I know irl who play classic are unironic brainlets. literal low IQ human beings
classic is for idiots.

imagine still holding onto some sort of "vanilla was hardcore" delusion even after classic launch.

what are they gonna do when Naxx launches and gets cleared day1?

Watch any "elite" guild kill videos from Vanilla, retards just afk and backpedal, fuck off boomers and get good at video games.

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I'm glad that people are starting to wake up and realise this. I was worried that Vanilla would lose it's "hardcore" reputation because of how fast everything in Classic got cleared.

Admittedly I didn't even know it was a nerfed version myself until recently, but it's good to know that the original "hardcore" Vanilla is still a real thing and wasn't just nostalgia.

kungen is old enough that he should know wow was always for casuals

>I really though I did but in fact I didn't.

That one line is the main reason I'm still even playing the game. If he hadn't said that shit then I'd have probably quit after just a few days of this.

But I want to prove him wrong. I'm not enjoying it anywhere near as much as I thought I would but I WANT to keep playing in the hope that I eventually do enjoy it just to prove that smug prick wrong.

e-celebs arent vidja and these threads should be banned and OP perma banned.

Classic is exactly what I expected it to be. A bunch of Twitch emote spamming kids that were in diapers or not even born when Vanilla was actually a thing obsessed with the "meta" even when just leveling to the point of actual elitism.

If they got their "Real classic", I wonder how fast they will be saying Real vanilla was in beta.

You'd still have people complaining but that doesn't mean its the same people.

Keep telling that to yourselves you pathetic fucking retards lmfao

He's correct, but not because it's 1.12, but because Classic WoW is literally just reskinned BfA. Shit like mana and health regen was and still is fucked, people knew about this for a long time, but of course delusional blizzdrones keep pretending like that shit is normal.

you might have pure autism user. let it go

it's obvious that he is looking for attention and more views on twattv

2.4.3 TBC is even worse, Illidan in 2.1 was fucking fearsome, in 2.4.3 rogues could tank him, fucking rogues

prove it

>our guild knew all that in few weeks
>he actually believes that keyboard turners back then knew how to minmax properly
How old is he lol

these people are fucking delusional lmfao

>listening to the opinions of anyone on the internet

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honestly, it would have been better to have a spiritual sequel to vanilla rather than just re-releasing it
take all the aspects that made vanilla fun, replace the aspects that were terrible and have it take place in a new world that is different from but inspired by vanilla wow so there was a sense of discovery again

what has dunkey said about the matter?

Now it's considered bad game design. Back then it was a major improvement to MMO game design. If you played any MMO prior to WoW you'd know this.

kukgen is just mad because he thought he was going to blast classic and regain the status he had in vanilla, but he got btfo in every aspect of the game now because even your average shitter from current year retail is leagues better than top tier players from 2004. he also got a 30 day ban on twitch for calling someone a faggot, lol

God I remember the days of Scholo being so hard you brought 10 people. The poison clouds the ghouls dropped would legit one shot you.

the problem with MC is that paladins completely trivialize it with fire res aura.
horde doesn't have paladins so they're fucked and have to gear unlike alliance babbies who just take a paladin and roflstomp it

I never complained about the leveling being too easy. Personally I rather have a quick leveling experience than have to spend 3 weeks to level a new alt.

>average shitter from current year retail is leagues better than top tier players from 2004
I see people pushing this all over the place and i get that it makes you feel good, but is there any real data behind this?

how dare paladins have but one aspect of the game where they are better than shaman, it is not enough that they are ass to level or useless in pvp, they must also be completely useless in pve

A lot of shit was removed from Scholo to make it easier, i wonder if a private server can attempt to recreate it

NO CHANGES

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Call me when I can have comfy late Friday night Kara/ZA runs.

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>makes you feel good
it doesnt make me feel good. it makes me feel awful. classic was supposed to be MY game, and it pains me to no end that fucking shitters can just drop in and perform as well as those of us who ACTUALLY PLAYED VANILLA and have spent the last 10+ years playing on private servers

its not just the one patch, there were 35 patches between release vanilla wow and patch 1.12

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jesus christ you play baby game rpgs
why are you pseuds like this

Imagine gatekeeping a 15 year old MMO

dude, we had guides back then too. we also had a shitton of addons. we werent the total idiots back then as you zoomers like to think now.

So you're just retarded then? We've known it was going to be patch 1.12 and that shit was going to be nerfed and easy just like it was back in the day.

Only took people almost 3 fucking weeks to admit it's significantly easier instead of just pinning it all on private servers being overtuned.

NO QOL
NO CHANGES
NO QOL
NO CHANGES

BUT SHARTING IS OKAY.

literal lies and falsehoods, shut the fuck up

fuck off to retail tranny

I mean, you cant really question Kugnen. There is no way anyone can prove him wrong or even come close to his opinion.
he is the one fag who did world first naxx clear when it was current content.

It only goes to show classicfags just another breed of retarded blizzdrones who know nothing about the game.

ITS A FUCKING BLUNDER
BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY

REEEEEEEEEEE

Did I strike a nerve?

>;x
Jesus what a faggot

>8 debuff slots
>zero nerfs
>1.1 talent trees
>Rag despawns after 2 hours
>actually need fire resist

MC at launch was a different beast

The fact that we're using the classes after their class patches?

The fact that 1.12 is after 2 nerfs to MC/BWL boss HP?

us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/instance-layering-exploit/299614

NO CHANGES
BUT LAYERING IS OKAY

Just read the old patch notes zoomer

>he is the one fag who did world first naxx clear when it was current content.
One of 40. It's not like he fucking solo'd it.
Also, "once was great" =/= "is currently great". Kungen hasn't been relevant for almost a decade, and just because he cleared naxx years ago doesn't mean he's the only authority for what is and isn't easy.
Personally, I believe that even if it classic released on patch 1.1 we'd still see MC cleared within the first 10 days. It would take more time than it did for patch 1.12, but everyone seems to have a bad habit of underestimating the smelly speedrun autists WoW classic has attracted.

WoW is not mechanically hard.
Not even remotely is it mechanically challenging. Not patch 1.12, not patch 1.1, not Beta, not Alpha. The difficulty is purely defined by how much time stuff takes to do. CC and mob control is an exception, but is completely irrelevant in the discussion of organized world first races since it's merely one small element of organization, trivial to a group of people who know what they're doing (plus, not required for MC at all, more relevant for scholo/strat than Molten Core). All vanilla WoW does is test your patience and organizational skills.
I say this not as a detractor, but as a fan. I enjoy the game, but let's not fucking kid ourselves. The difference between the average competent player and the sweaty tryhard autists like ancient Kungen is knowledge and time (and back in the day, hardware), not skill.

If we asked for vanilla why the fuck they give us after 100000000 patches later?
That's not vanilla what the fuck

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>Implying he didnt say that knowing full well that classic was coming and just wanted to build a hype/controversy around it
You retards really fell for it huh?

You're an idiot.

Aside from any other nerf, add back 100% to the bosses health and the numbers those speedrunners were putting out aren't enough.

It's not a matter of skill, or technique, WoW is pretty simple. It's a matter of numbers, and they wouldn't have had enough.

It's not that they're better, it's just that they're on par with these "top tier" idiots. It's a 15 year old game, everyone knows everything about it. Also vanilla was many peoples first MMO and they blundered through it like mouth breathers, classic is not that. The differences between classic and vanilla in terms of hardness are negligible and the "top tier" people are rectal ravaged they're not able to lord over the retail peasants like they thought they were going to. It's anger and envy that everyone else is able to keep up. You can see the wounded egos in people like this guy

He was the creator and guild leader of the best guild in the world for many years. Why are you questioning his age?

You're miss the point. All that goes up with the bosses HP is the DPS requirement so the healers don't go OOM halfway through the fight. All that means is they spend another day or so getting everyone to 60 and farming UBRS/strat/scholo to gear THEN they smash MC out. Time is the only difference.

Plus, this is assuming you can't just banish the Sons of Ragnaros (I honestly forget if they're CCable). If not you can really just go forever as long as you have a handful of warlocks to banish them.

So the mental gymnastics to deny "you thought you did but you didn't" have begun, huh? They get exactly what they asked for, find out it's not as good as they were hyping it up to be, and are now desperately searching for some kind of justification that doesn't involve admitting they let their nostalgia get the best of them.

>one of 40 its not like he fucking solo´d it
Yeah thats all well and good, but he was the leader, fucking idiot.

this faggot wasn't even born when vanilla released

That means he's good at organizing a bunch of other sweaty autists, not that he's always right and the smartest and bestest because HE WAS THERE!

based and wowpilled
i stayed away from vanilla simply because you cant replicate that experience
going through again for a nostalgia trip is fine but its lacking the magic for me

>This amount of goalpost moving
cope blizzfag.

Haven't payed a sub since 2009. Stay mad.

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Sure, they'd beat it, I believe that. But the need to farm the gear is the difference, we wouldn't have this "lv50s beat Rag in greens!" Thing. And it wouldn't be 10 days.

based kungen
getting banned for 30 days for calling a level 17 a faggot on stream

>kungen
No one cares what someone who has to exploit to get world firsts thinks

Look up who he is, zoomer.

yes :(

Kungen was main tank and guild leader of the best guild in the world at the time retard.

People were still too brain dead retarded though and still couldn't clear Kara. That's why in WotLK they just completely invalidated Naxx and Ulduar with 5 man dungeons and RDF which dropped better gear even though people cleared Naxx in questing greens.

>average shitter from current year retail is leagues better than top tier players from 2004

No they're not lmao.

Like it's a big difference.

You're just proving him right. If he's a retard now and was 'the best' back in the day then of course they didn't minmax properly.
Or he got mire stupid with time.

WoW players are such fucking autist. I'm glad i past that addiction.

9, but it's ok.

Fuck all of you retail niggers, that includes you classicfags. Guess what, wow 1.1 was still the retail version, just from the past, you posers
I was a tester at Blizz and the internal development version was the REAL classic

Posts like this are why Yea Forums gets so tiresome sometimes. Just so unbelievably aggressively stupid, misunderstanding the entire comment chain and still belting out insults... It's all so tiresome

no one cares you baby

I'd say a 5 user. Definitely on the spectrum but no more than literally anyone else on Yea Forums myself included.

Onyxia was beaten with a 5 man group in vanilla.
It was never hard, you were just bad and kungen is a retarded drama whore.

and?
you think a caveman measures up to the modern man when it comes to understanding of things?

kungen's entire legacy is based on the idea that vanilla wow was hard and now that people are realizing it was actually a piece of piss he has to go into damage control

Cope, classic is piss easy not vanilla

seething

YEP
ITS NOT REAL VANILLA.

IF IT WAS REAL VANILLA PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKE LEVEL 41 NOW NOT 60

If it was real vanilla it wouldn't be played by faggot kids born after the early 90s.

you think you do, but you don't

if it were real vanilla i would be making brownies right now

Why did they just start off with 1.12? Shouldn't that have been rolled in later?

NO NO NO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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And yet he's gunna keep playing anyway

The zone stories are better in classic sadly.

>wanting to go back to patches when paladins raided naked because gear did nothing

>fake vanilla
We're reaching levels of cope that aren't physically possible

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vanilla was easy, it was also extremely tedious.

This.

Nagrand... home

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Love how all these threads trying to pretend vanilla is bad are relying on the streamers/youtubers

No one cares about them, at all. Of the literal millions playing classic barely any give a shit about streamers and most of their base dont even play games.

Its sad retail/FF players cant just be happy we have a good successful MMO on the market, I know you all started playing MMOs at wrath and think boring LFG raid treadmills are fun but that isnt the market of vanilla, its a game for people who like adventures, community and leveling, not raids or minmaxing. Your 0.001% of the playerbase focus on those people who do play WoW is irrelevant.

i actually don't mind a single bit, as i started this game after it was already too far gone.
for anyone who really put any thought into it, it was never about the 'difficulty'. wow never was a hard game, and it never will be.
it's the difference in game design and the immersive experience that makes classic the superior version, not any perceived amount of 'difficulty'

>level 36 tauren
>only 30 gold
>honored, not revered, with TB
What do I do lads

How do I make it

ERP

>level 38 undead
>3g 50s or some shit
>uc on honored
just keep on walking, bro

Keep questing until you hit 40

Those final quests leading up to 40 pay out a lot, you start seeing 1g rewards and more.

If you hit 40 and dont have the money it might be time to start a profession like gathering.

I've hated themepark MMO leveling since EQ was the top dog. Why the actual fuck would you expect me to enjoy vanilla the second time around?
>immersive experience
That's funny because it did everything it could to pull me out of the game and annoy the fuck out of me.

SKINNING

Should have never bothered trying to pander to these losers

INV TO ASMON LAYER!!1!

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37 y-o boomer here that played the beta in 2004 and bought wow on day 1

You zoomers don't know what the fuck you're talking out, the current version of the game is a joke

>I HATE THESE TYPES OF GAMES OMG SO BAD
So why are you talking about it all day and all night. Rhetorical question by the way, I dont care, just pointing out your hubris.

WHAT LEVEL IS THE HALFWAY POINT EXPERIENCE-WISE BETWEEN 1-60?