Why do gamers lie about the extent of political themes and messages in older games?

Games were subtle and well written .

Games become decontextualize when they only are about political mees, i.e: Deus ex is far immemorial than last of US faggyness

there's a difference between a subtle political theme like most old games did vs shoving it down your throat like now.
Games like Fallout and Half Life did it good because the player experienced what the message was by playing the game. Vs now where its
>FASCISM BAD FUCK BLUMPF THE GAMEPLAY IS PUNCH NAZIS

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Just make your own games user >8^3

There has been in game politics in games for decades. Real life politics has no part in games.
It's never done well, datees the game, and is always done as a cheap shot at the other side (pick your side, they're both guilty of it), or done so incredibly hamfisted that it looks like a high schooler wrote it trying to be edgy, but it was written by someone in their 30s.

If you can't tell the difference between a game's story using political themes to tell a broad message that should reach anybody regardless of what country they're from, and a game just taking potshots at the current president or whatever faction of rabblerousers are controversial at the moment, then I don't know what to tell you.

>games that have in-universe politics is the same as when a game dev puts a self insert into the game and preaches to the player about why they're on the right side of history

When will you stop being an angry tranny?

>"hnng... big... boobiez.... big succulent female thighs.... Large wide hips... perfect for bearing children.... must..... COOOOMMMM

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The new beyond good and evil looks so shit

lol user, if you had played any of those games you would actually understand.

They were fun games, with political themes built into the core of the game.

Oddworld was not just a Crash Bandicoot clone with a "Save the Environment" sticker hidden somewhere on 1 level.

Bioshock was not a normal FPS with a few out of place token character talking about the evils of capitalism.

Problems not games being political, it's about them having nothing to do with politics at all, then just throwing in random unrelated to the game "I'm for this political idea" messages.

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i feel like taking a comfy shower now

...

muh safe space

The idea of political themes in games isn't rejected always. It's always subjective, about the content and context of the themes. Most gamers don't care about modern/post-modern progressive issues. Many are outright against these issues. Many people play games to escape the horrors of the degenerate, anxiety-inspiring modern world. We don't want to see trannies or other bullshit.
We just want to play games. Some politics are fine, but the politics of today are just too far for many people. People don't reject politics in games if they agree with the message, only if they hate the message. Developers need to stop making propaganda, and continue making "good" and "fun" games. Older games had political themes. Some sucked, some were cool, and some were just presented poorly.

the problem is reboots and unnecessary sequels, they're getting more political out of desperation to justify their existence

some are retards. For example:
Im pretty sure that majority of people that frequent /pol/ and harp on about boob size and politics in ff7 didnt even understand ff7 plot

tl;dr straight white men just want to see straight white men + anime girls

I exclusively play Tetris

Yeah, older games had a fuckton of deep politics and expression/promotion of views across the spectrum.

Nowadays people in general (not even in gaming, all subjects and careers) are far more segregated, polarized, extreme and uptight in expressing, defending and fighting in politics due to economic and social turmoil over the past decade-ish. Kind of really kicked from the great recession of '08 and started radicalizing so many people across the board.

The unique thing that I notice is that in video games today, political and social statements (right wing or left wing) lack subtlety and are forced/shoehorned in; and often times stuff like forced diversity, having an autistic bipolar latinx wheelchairbound lesbian supersoldiers or the side with edgy neo nazi shit like hatred are so blunt/lacking in said subtelty that the writing and games themselves feel like amateur mods/fangames at many points.

Developers in the 00's and 90's didn't pull that shit, and blunt/outward statements and easter eggs were usually just hidden in the game's files or activated by a cheat code or playing through the game twice or some shit.

Whatever your ideology rember subtlety and nuance is always better than preachiness and proselytism. Both the left and right have trouble with this

Your reply has nothing to do with what that guy said. You seriously just want to rant about politics on the video game board. Lmao

because gaming degraded and so did the brains of gamers
See evolution from the religious reallife critique of xenogears to big boobie anime thongs with chuuni ending of xc2. you can guess which one sold more

>things I don't agree with are inserted politics
>things I agree with are not politics and "good writing"

Using politics as part of the story is not the same with using video games to shove your radical political agendas, retard.

>Your reply has nothing to do with what that guy said.
>Cant even understand a simple post
>Lmao
qed

Well, people do want to see people that look like them (in the case of white men) represented in media.Nothing wrong with that. It's also the case the white and asian males are the majority of gamers (phone games and sports games don't count). Not all characters need to be white, male, straight or anime (not even a majority of gamers watch anime). However, many hate progressive politics. These policies and beliefs are anti-male, and anti-white. I really don't like talking about politics anymore. I did my stint on /pol/ for a long time. And now its filled with redditors, and is nothing but shitposting from shills 24/7. I just want to play my fucking games without the degeneracy of the modern world. And so I, and many others, choose not to buy or support games, developers, or publishers that support themes we/I are against.

How was hatred “neo nazi”? The main guy was just a misanthropist.

>The gamplay is punch Nazis

Wolfenstein has always been this and was never a """""problem""""" until after the election

Why would you admit something like this?

The problem is ideology not politics.

In old games with political settings, the characters were driven by their circumstances. In new games with political settings the characters are driven by the writers ideology.

Because when people say they don't want politics in games, they aren't really talking about the games themselves, they are talking about game development and media becoming politicized. That you can be fired for the wrong belief or be reviewed negatively for not having minorities is the issue.

>I never played Y games
>so anyway, people I dislike didn’t understand the story of X game
You’re an actual retard, holy fuck.

But these old game have good writing, unlike modern garbage like Wolfenstein 2 and Mass Effect Andromeda. Also games like Deus Ex and Metal Gear Solid 2 have predicted stuff that happen now while games like Wolfenstein 2 do crap like history revisionism to show commies as the good guys that saved the world from nazi.

Try a console generation or two earlier, you absolute faggot.

There's a really handy trick when dealing with nostalgiafags. Anyone who uses "Nowadays" unironically can be ignored automatically

Wow, you're retarded.

Old Wolfenstein games didn't try to equate half the modern population with Nazis in their advertising campaign.

Those aren't what I mean when I say old at least
Who knew the Zoom Zoom kid would have ended up with such spicy meme potential. If only I knew.

because their politics are retarded and wrong, at least those games, even if you didn't agree with their politics they made you unironically think.

new games are like "yeah I know I'm a nutjob and my belief are retarded and baseless, but here, I'll put it in your face the whole game, that'll be 60 dollars plus tip"

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>half of the modern population
delusional people cant even get google facts right

Don't you just feel so attacked??

Why are you faggots so disingenuous when it comes to this argument?

There's an difference between shoving SJW pandering poltics to appease an audience like having an obligatory gay character yet never trying to explore anything related to sexuality and gender. Its lazy political shoe-horning.
Older devs tried to use videogames as a medium to help explore wider political messages and themes. Like having a post-apoc setting caused by technological inflexibility and human nature (Fallout) or examining the impact rampant capitalism has on nature (Oddworld.)
The current generation of videogames and politics is nothing short of lazy pandering, which is why I despise it. Older games weaved its political ideas into the gameplay and narrative to help flesh out its world which made their games more memorable.

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all 3D FPS's were this until Halo, and it was a problem because it got boring.

>Oddworld was not just a Crash Bandicoot clone with a "Save the Environment" sticker hidden somewhere on 1 level.
It's weird how the Oddworld dev turned out to be a pretty far right guy given the game's anti-corporatism/anti-capitiliasm approach

outbursts of trump derangement syndrome or brexit derangement syndrome != interesting story involving power in some way

but you knew that and just wanted another shit thread

not video game discussion

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>The current generation of videogames and politics is nothing short of lazy pandering,
>Meanwhile, if it panders to me and i can jack off to big anime jugs its based
Yea Forums in a nutshell

Videogames aren't art, videogames are sports.

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Why are you retarded?

Yeah, it seems like both people have become hypersensitive to this shit alongside everything being cranked up to 11 at the same time. In all honesty, it's kind of pathetic all over. It's video games, not a major statement about life. It shouldn't be ammunition for the imaginary culture war that only destroys everything it touches. Hell, the fact people get so outraged about this shit only gives them more reason to do it. No publicity is bad publicity, after all. Fucks are just playing into the hands of other fucks if they freak out about everything that they disagree with.

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Not like this board does that anyway, unless you count "UR GAME SHIT" "NO UR SHIT" to be vidya discussion

Amazing argument.

What a disingenuous argument. The politics in the listed examples are about broad political ideals that affect everybody from the rich to the poor. They're about the folly of man's desire for conflict, why we keep making the same mistakes despite seeing the consequences of our own actions. The politics that many people are getting sick of, not just Yea Forums, are very childish forms of identity politics. Them bad, we good. Their ideals dumb, we smart. It doesn't weigh up the benefits of either side while pointing out their flaws, it seeks to do nothing but prop up one side while making a mockery of the other.

Fallout: New Vegas had literal psychopaths as the primary foe of the NCR, but even despite that it allowed the leadership to explain their reasoning and even let the player join them. Their ideals were a hard one to swallow, but it wasn't aimless, it wasn't without reason, it wasn't created just to be made fun of.

Makes perfect sense to everyone who doesn’t think right wing = ancap.

are we supposed to pretend the vidya audience isn't male

GamerGate is over user, Political correctness is the new norm and yes that includes vidya, time change along with society

The executions weren't great but the legion wasn't really 'psychopaths' considering they decided maybe politics weren't something terribly useful in a world with muties and deathclaws

Show me which of those games were made by tranny devs featuring "preferred pronouns" in the character creation menu and banning players who disagreed with the personal politics of the devs.

I'll wait.

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>Modern Warfare, pro-western propaganda
>Bioshock, Libertarian propaganda

It's not though.

Lots of so called "right wing" people care about the environment and are anti-corporate, they just have different answers to the problem then the hippies of the 1960s.

Eco-Fascism is an actual thing sadly enough.
Pic related.

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lol except it actually is just the last one

several of those "actually mean" things are the left flipping the script on alt right memes, but since "the left can't meme", alties have to twist themselves into pretzels and adopt snowflake language just to avoid saying they got beat at their own game.

I mean political involvement, knowledge and activism is extremely important, and games are a great medium of introducing, making hypothesis through lore/mechanics and such.

The way that it's being expressed and handled/'debated' in the community is fucking terrible nowadays. It's not civil or of real substance; mostly just either melodramatic crying, pretentious douchebaggery over trivial things or mindless edginess.

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I dunno, they had a lot of sociopathic tendencies. But what Caesar explained isn't without merit. Mankind went through dark and terrible times to create its greatest civilizations. His belief that mankind must be reforged under an iron fist with no room for softness makes sense when, like you said, blood thirsty monsters sit around every corner and supplies are something you have to fight tooth and nail for.

Because they pretend to not like media that explores political themes which is not true
they just really hate blacks and gays and hide behind it

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>history revisionism to show commies as the good guys that saved the world from nazi.
user...

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>ponder philosophy
>make a statmyent

They are kinda the same thing in the realm of media...

"identity politics" be like
a gay exists, feel threatened

Do people really think about PS3-era games when they say that? I'm getting old. I flashback to PS1 *at least*

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>every right-wing person is pro-capitalism

>they just really hate blacks and gays and hide behind it

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>modern warfare
>pro-western propaganda

Nah, it's the typical "brown people good, western civilization bad! (angry NPC emote)" narrative.

Nope. Pondering the philosophy behind one world government and the rapid advancing of technology (Deus Ex) =/= adding "gender options" to your game for political brownie points (CP2077)

>shoving SJW pandering poltics
>Game dares to have a women, gay person or, god forbid, non-white person in a major role
ASSSSSSSS JAYYYYYYYYYYY VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

youtube.com/watch?v=jMTop_vVC_E
Because older games discuss two sides of an idea instead of repeatedly asserting that "It's 2019, my ideas are correct and your ideas are old fashioned."

>show commies as the good guys that saved the world from nazi
I have yet someone show me footage of Wolfenstein openly propagating communism.

I mean if you don't want to throw up a little when you see 2 men or 2 women kiss eachother there is something wrong with you.
I don't mind those degenerates doing it but it's fucking disgusting to see that shit.

Change is not inevitable, it is not necessary. Some change is harmful, and therefore must be opposed. Harmful change that has already taken place can be reversed through a back bone and strong policy. The price for having goods things is eternal vigilance.
I never participated in GG, was too busy playing games to know or care. However, political correctness is a plague, and must be opposed. It may seem very petty. It's just a hobby, right? Games are fun, and if we want to continue enjoying games in the future, we have to have our voices heard.

i'm not obliged to want to live among dangerous animals

also the TLOU nonsense was probably astroturfing and derision

"politics" is the person unable to articulate what they mean.

(1) blatant, obvious, in your face politics of the creator(s), which are constantly being referenced, and compared to modern day political views. (They arent allegories, like mutants in xmen being compared to racism. instead a "political" story is just about racism directly.)

(2) the opposing view is intentionally misrepresented, in order to further the propaganda of the political view being pushed. (Not to be confused with unintentionally.) followed by the lesser "bad" of just misrepresenting it due to negligence. (Intentional being the most aggravating.)

(3) Directing your opinion to agree with their view. If you disagree, it tries to belittle your view, and makes sure theres a stark contract of right/wrong think.

These 3 things are what people mean when they say "political".
Theres no singular word to summarize, even "propaganda", as something can be "fake propaganda" and not be what they are talking about, but seem as if it falls into these categories.

Also not to be confused with referencing past political issues, for the sake of coming up with either motivations/story ideas, to make characters/situations more believable.

Also, do not confuse an effort to remove politics, as an act of "politics" obviously any belief is political. But when people are saying "politics in games" they only mean a very specific style of forcing views onto others. Mario bros attempt at avoiding politics, isnt trying to push a political view. onto the viewer, or demonize a political view. But inherently relies on a political view to function.

Now, go ahead and pick a singular word to summarize all of that, and the confusion can be over for a few days, until certain political groups change the definition of the word to mean something of hatred, so people stop using that word, so they can go back to insulting people who hate "politics in games".

yes that is... exactly how that works, chud

Political games back then:

>tell a story that features political themes, usually with a general tone and philosophical bent
>Fallout is about cold war fears, americana
>Bioshock is about unrestrained tech advances, meritocracies
>Oddworld is about capitalism as told by weird/funny monsters and grim foreboding tech in a meatpacking plant where you call upon natural powers to make things right. Note that the natural beings are themselves savage, even willing to kill the player character
>enemies can be flawed, or not. They can have nuance. They can even be sympathetic but ultimately you realize you must oppose them. Absolutes tend to be avoided.
>NOTE THAT ABOVE ALL ELSE, A STORY IS TOLD THAT MAKES USE OF THE THEMES AS A PART OF THE EXPERIENCE. THERE IS GENERALLY A GOOD GAME AT THE CORE TOO.

Political games now:

>woke black woman with afro refers to white boys derisively despite the fact that you're allies and singlehandedly do everything she wants for her
>somebody introduces themselves to you and then announces they're gay. May have no personality past that and reminding you that they're gay.
>enemies are monolithic walls of evil where every antagonist wakes up, bathes in the blood of the innocent and kicks a dog on the way to work
>GAME WILL PUT POLITICS BEFORE LOGICAL AND EVEN ENJOYABLE NARRATIVE, GAMEPLAY IS SECONDARY, POLITICS WILL OFTEN SOUR AND RUIN OTHERWISE GOOD SERIES

Best example of this is going from Wolfenstein New Order to New Colossus. In New Order it's undeniable that the Nazis are bad guys. The interesting grey area is as the game progresses BJ realizes that he's not really meant for a normal, fulfilling life. He just kills people really well. Even his allies joke about it with him in a sad "this poor bastard" kinda way. The game ends with an understanding that you've won a great battle but the war may never be won. Too much time has passed and a nuke is about to fall on you.

Two games later and Wolfenstein is as stupid as Borderlands writing.

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a pale-skinned person exists; thus i am oppressed by them

Nu-Yea Forums fails to understand what politics even are, avgain

Can you point me to a game that did the later without having some type of political ponderings in it anywhere else?

There is no such thing as progress.

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you can have a character that is not a white straight guy without the need to explore their oppression, sometimes you dont want to tell that story and thats not a bad thing?
and i wouldnt call it pandering either, its just "ah those people exist, they can be characters in my fiction too"

when they say politics, they really mean shoehorned agenda.

Honestly, all I see the current "activism" as is a bunch of people in two teams trying to destroy an other side that is so vague that it basically equates to "everyone that isn't a cartoonishly overblown stereotype of what i want to see". That means everyone and everything suffers over a bunch of cunts fighting a borderline imaginary war because the only thing on anyone's mind at any point is increasingly surreal, ridiculous fringe cases.

It's just a feedback loop of outrage culture that will implode everything in the name of perpetuating itself at this point. People want to be angry, people want to have some ridiculous "enemy" to be against, people want to feel threatened so their squabbling is validated. It's dumb. I wish people didn't get so worked up over fucking nothing at all times, but I guess we instinctively need something to think of as the enemy.

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Because those games aren't trying to sell you their ideals unlike modern games.

Its the difference between an article about a video game and an article that ends with "AND THATS A GOOD THING"

wumbonomics

>commies
>good guys
Pick one (1) and only one (1).

Because gamers are now a bunch of snowflake cucks that want a safe space from the big mean sjws reminding them that they can't get any women to have sex with them.

Gamers Rise Up

With that attitude you can expect to be cancelled on twitter. You adapt to society, it doesn't adapt to you

The left wing is the only moral wing.

Gears of War 5

way to move the goalpost buddy

>those games
lol it's not as if MGS3 made itself political by shitting on Bush, or telling you how oppressed women, minorities and gay people are. That's effectively what "political themes" in games is today.

You see, when people say they don't want politics in games, what they mean is they don't want ham-fisted partisan politics shoved down their throat. If the current developers were able to write about politics without doing that, there would be no problem. Subtlety is key here.

Unfortunately in the current political climate, they've proven time and time again that they can't do this. They are just too retarded, too self-absorbed to consider that maybe not everyone wants to hear about their personal politics, that maybe the nature of politics is divisive, and they're going about it in the worst possible way.

No, no it isn't. I'm pro-Capitalism yet according to every political compass you can find on the net I'm a leftist progressive smack bam between authoritarianism and libertarianism.

>Keep politics out of my vidya!
user

>Based and redpilled!
Also user, in response to the game that lets you execute blacks as Donald Trump

just fyi both this kids parents are lawyers and it seems like a publicity stunt to one-up them

I respect your honesty at least, user.

>"Is a man not entitled to the sweat on his own brow?"
vs.
>Pink haired, cinder block faced cretin screaming about how slavery still exists.

They're not the same thing, retard.

>game that lets you execute blacks as Donald Trump
That does sound based and redpilled. Link?

>the status quo is changing
OH NO

Nobody says this

correct

what do you want?

Get a load of this retard. Left wing has never had anything to do with morals, it actively corrodes and degrades morals.

After the first four of the series I highly doubt this game doesn’t have some sort of political message in the story...

The left wing is about caring about your fellow man, the right wing about shunning and purging anyone different than you.

It's an American supported brown people good, Russian supported brown people bad narrative.

doesnt change the fact that every right winger is pro-capitalism, thats what you said
the political compass is bogus anyways, liberals are not leftists, they're centrists, but on a political landscape thats moved to the right as much as it has the understanding that leftism oposes capitalism by definition is lost

...

>feel
key word there

Sex is overrated and easily available.

uncountably enormous numbers of people executed can't be wrong

p.s. fuck capitalism and especially fuck rent-seekers

>MGS3 as an example of a political game
>Not MGS2
I fell for the bait but for different reasons

The right wing is about community and defending your community, the left wing is about destroying communities and isolating people.

It doesn't, GoW beyond the first 2 games doesn't have any political ideas, and if it does it's restricted to the nature of war, of course. Didn't stop Gears 5 from shoving in "pride flags" for no ostensible reason though.

>right wing
>communities
Pick one, and only one

>I am perpetually mentally stuck in 2014

Must suck user

>the political compass is bogus anyways, liberals are not leftists, they're centrists
No, liberals are literally to the left of centrism. That's why centrism is even a thing, it's between liberals and conservatives.

Actual political themes in a story =/= identity politics

>Left wing has never had anything to do with morals, it actively corrodes and degrades morals.
>Left wing has never had anything to do with morals
>has never had anything to do with morals
>*immediately makes statement about how they have something to do with morals*
I'm confused, do you not understand how logic works, what morals are, or how language works? Because holy mental gymnastics batman

>The right wing is about community and defending your community
That sounds like some collectivist cog-in-a-machine commie bullshit, user.

Scratch a centrist and a fascist bleeds.

Then go have it.

At least own up to it.

There's a difference between introducing politically charged themes and "FUCK TRUMP FUCK HILLARY FUCK WHITES FUCK BLACKS LMAOOOOO". Debating government involvement in the curing of a vaccine and widespread government surveillance is different than the hamfisted shit we get today.

There's politics in vidya, then there's people trying to TELL YOU their politics through vidya. Deus Ex poses themes that you answer, Wolfenstein TNC just tells you "RACISM BAD RACISM BAD RACISM BAD RACISM BAD".

It's like a square and a rectangle
Every right-winger is pro-capitalism but not everyone pro-capitalism is right-wing

you do realise Andrew Ryan was in the wrong, right?
gimme a source for the second one tho i wanna see that

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Politics can be great in vidya as long as it was always meant to be there, shoehorning in a message or agenda usually makes it shit

But the left wing hates males with passion (specially white males) and supports discrimination against them. And plenty of people who consider themselves to be right wing also hate white males...

>politics
>political crap
pick one
nobody likes your tranny SJW minority crocodile tear BS
we dont mind critiques or dialogues about actual political subjects

"I'm not political, I don't want politics in my entertainment", says the person whose politics align with the predominant narrative in entertainment and the status quo.

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You seriously only think this way because you are either uninformed or ignorant. The idea that "both sides" are to blame is a load of shit when one side is trying to feed, house, and educate the populace, while the other is primarily concerned with A) consolidating federal power through judge appointments B) disrupting global trade partnerships and alliances and C) owning the libs by rolling back every environmental regulation or populist program they can
Just the fact that Trump isn't being crucified by Lindsey Graham for tweeting classified military intelligence shows how one-sided this is. We had a decades long investigation into Clinton's private email server, but everyone's already forgotten that Princess Trump did the exact same thing. The reason things are so fucking terrible in the US compared to other developed Western countries is that we have this sickness in our politics, an entire party of regressive luddites who would rather clutch their pearls in ignorance as the shadow of death looms overhead

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Yes, adapt or be cancelled

Not him, but in your very own post you describe segregation and yet claim it's lefties who want to isolate people.

Besides, what you're describing sounds identical, except lefties think in bigger dimensions and your mind can't venture beyond the borders of your little village in Bumfuck, Ohio.

>says the person whose politics align with the predominant narrative in entertainment and the status quo.
You're talking about leftists right?

what a pointless nitpick

I think it's even simpler than that. Older games tended to focus more on potential scenarios, conspiracy theories and hypothetical situations, rather than drawing direct parallels to contemporary politics like, say, TNC does. It's even more egregious when the game's setting itself is hypothetical, and yet still reflects current, real-world politics.

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>i'm not obliged to want to live among dangerous animals
But you do, we all have to deal living among faggots

whatever makes you feel superior mate

>defending your community
Is that what they call it when they come together over the shared desire to marginalize and demonize large groups and categories of people, when said categories of people lack the social standing/power to defend themselves against an establishment set/regulated status quo?

So it does and you are just choosing to ignore it. Nature of war no matter how cliche is still political pondering.

>pro-western propaganda
If by western you mean globalist and anti-nationalist.

The enemies of the first game are crazed russian ultra-nationalists and in the second game the villains are super-nationalist faction led by general whats-his-name in the american army

>Politics I don't like is different from politics I do like

Imagine being this mentally un-developed

liberals are not leftists, not acording to leftists
liberals are pro-capitalism, which leftists opose to
i've explained to you before, in a political landscaped so moved to the right it might look like liberals are the left, but its not
dont read this as an attack to your understanding either, im trying to inform you

Change that right now. Except CoD they're all worth a play. Unless you really love FPS games then play it.

Wow, you seriously believe what anyone tells you as long it is about you versus (((them)), it is not?

guess you'll just have to murder all of us

Games pre mid 2000s, when they were still relatively niche had somewhat interesting themes on politics/philosophy. You can track the devolution of political themes in games to around the time sci-fi/fantasy novels declined and game devs influences went from autistic, yet soulful works of fiction to lame mainstream political movements.

>Left wing has never had anything to do with morals
>immediately attributes moral intent to the left
ladies and gentleman, the average right winger

Ff7 has you assisting literal eco-terrorist who are fighting against an allegory for nuclear power.

I fucking hate you zoomers.

ah, yes
i love living in the status quo of communism

guess so

It isnt pointless to demonstrate how objectivepy flawed a persons line of thinking is. It goes to show that any argument they're attempting to make, following that flawed line of thinking, is necessarily fallacious and invalidated as a consequence.

This but unironically.
I kiss it when "shut the fuck up and play the game" was what we said to the sjws. Now people on this board would ratherrl make dozens of threads about how they're offended that one of the people working in the game is a tranny or whatever.
Bunch of whiny bitches.

>B-b-brown people and w-women in M-MY VIIIDYAAAA!!?????!!!

Lmao

>playing military–industrial complex the game

dilate your hole

I miss* it
rather*
Fucking phoneposting.

>wh*toids crying about politics in video games

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Politics "in universe" are more often than not allegories for real world politics, see FF7.

I don't have to, you are already as braindead as you are morally bankrupt by defending a corrupt status quo, an useful idiot for the rich and the wealthy slowly destroying both world and society for their own greed.

Why should I fucking bother when it seems everyone wants me to become some sort of banner-waving fanatic with no life outside of that? I've got my own goals and life, and honesty, that's all I can care about right now. We're on a fucking internet forum about shitposting and video games. Please keep that in mind. Nothing here is 100% serious.

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>Is that what they call it when they come together over the shared desire to marginalize and demonize large groups and categories of people
Most people don't think about it like this. The reality is we're still a bunch of tribal monkey men who see identical features as good and differing features as bad. People feel welcomed when they share physical traits with others and isolated when they're different. I really do believe humanity is better off in communities where looks and ideals are shared and the only interaction between other groups is trade. Not because it's malicious or because "fuck people who are different" but because it genuinely benefits everybody involved.

your games fucking suck and playing to a SJW audience still doesnt make sales rise loser

I said the first two games do, Gears 3 through 5 don't even bother with that shit and are just run of the mill third person shooters with Call of Duty tier campaigns. My original point is that they're not the same.
I don't care if they "ponder" the politics relating to war, I care when they shoehorn shit into the game that has literally nothing to do with war and is only put into the game to make the devs feel better about themselves.
You fucking tell me how a bunch of gay pride faggot flags has ANYTHING to do with mankind seeing insurmountable odds against an alien threat that vastly outnumbers and in some cases overpowers them. Protip: it doesn't.

Why are weebs always this triggered?

oh no im gonna get cancelled on twitter dot com
my life ruined
now if i were a regular joe id make a new account
if im a celebrity i can sell shirts with the word Cancelled on them
or (theres a third option here) i can think about what i did wrong

>salt-right
Kekekekekek

yeah that whole plotline about refugees attempting to escape a hostile land while a third party wanted to abuse both sides for their own survival wasn't political at all

>Nazis are bad

WOAH I FEEL ATTACKED RIGHT NOW

How are you substituting 'wider political themes' with 'politics I do like'? 'Wider political themes' is so ridiculously broad it can't be narrowed down to a preference. It can be debating of government surveillance, civilian armament, or so many other topics that don't have an ingrained opinion.

Are you mentally un-developed?

or maybe you're just way too obsessed with politics. forcing current political references (regardless of ideology) into a game is a great way to make it age like milk in the future, while also annoying people who don't want to be preached at when they're just trying to play a game.

you could have mentally inserted something like "the promotion of" into his post and thus inferred the correct meaning from it. you know what he meant.

instead you wanted to be extremely obtuse, you autistic twat

And this is why we need globalism. So all of us can be similar.

It's accepted when it's subtle and isn't hamfisted. Also, forcing tranny flags everywhere isn't a political discussion. The modern left has no clue how to have a political message and not have it feel forced.

>multi-purpose resource and fuel pulled out of the earth created by all the life that has died on the planet
How is that not oil?

>The left wing is about caring about your fellow man
Unless they're cis white males who don't hate themselves
>the right wing about shunning and purging anyone different than you
Yes, not everyone wants to worship shitskins and mentally ill freaks like you faggots.

where did i defend the corrupt status quo? and let's remember whose "side" is the biggest darling of big money.

Because politics back then was cool and cutthroat. Politics now is whether or not its okay to let transgender people fuck your kids.
Modern politics is gay.

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>Also, forcing tranny flags everywhere isn't a political discussion
"Oh nooooooooooooooooo, the colors white, pink and blue! I am melting!"

i don't like censorship in my video games

Because they're trannies who get their opinions from late night hosts and breadtubers, if you dont take their side you're as good as a nazi

If you can't handle it, maybe try growing up past the age of 5

Most of what you see on Yea Forums about politics in games is just viral marketing shit. No such thing as bad publicity and if you can get a bunch of easily triggered seething retards to discuss your product, either in hate or in defense of it, then why wouldn't you do it?
It's stupid easy too. Just take a small throw away line or some other bullshit, something that lasts likely less than a minute in a game with 10 to 60 hours worth of content in it, say it's in the entire game and that it is indicative of the overall philosophy of the game design and development.
Throw in some AUNTIE ES JAY DUBYA buzzwords around it. Maybe a comment or two from a single person on a team of developers that usually number upwards into the hundreds and say it's the feelings of all those involved in the game.
You don't even need to do all of that at once, most times you just seed it and the foaming at the mouth retards will seek out this other material for you.

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Then why don't you say that?

how come Japanese games manage to have zero politics in them?

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>Half the population
Dude if someone says "punch nazis" and you think they're talking about you, that's very telling.

TIL there are actual leftoids on Yea Forums lol, TIL

>Every right-winger is pro-capitalism
maybe in usa but you always fuck simplest stuff up

What a boring post.

>Why do gamers lie about the extent of political themes and messages in older games?
because gamers are fucking stupid. Nintendo gentrified gaming in the 90s and it just spiraled out of control from there.

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>insert "the promotion of" morals
How would that change his assertion or make it any less fucking stupid/fallacious? It's still a low tier strawman about the left and a non-sequiter

It was. Do you have the reading comprehension of a goldfish or something? This whole time I have been saying that kind of shit is fine but it's when you ignore your own narrative in favor of putting in some dumb bullshit that's completely unrelated. Imagine if you played Metal Gear Solid 2 and while the Colonel is prattling on about AI and the nature /destiny of mankind he suddenly stops and says "We need to accept more refugees into America" or "We need to make sure women have equal pay."

The neo nazis did that themselves fool. And don't kid yourself about your numbers. America is the "Home of the Brave".

Oh great another discord tranny thread

>muh sales!!
Oh, so you want every game to be Fortnite. Got it.

show me your morals dude

When you demanded that no one rock the boat.

this has nothing to do with that, retard
im calling you out that you try to strawmanning that you dont like pandering while in fact you do. You are just the most lowest common determinator on a different side.

>was in the wrong.
Thats up to each person to decide. But to put simply, the creator of the game did view this philosophy as incorrect, and did try to portray it in a bad light.
It got its share of flack, BUT it wasnt considered a big deal, due to how it only "lightly" touched on it.
There are ALWAYS scenarios where a belief ends up either wrong, ro indirectly causing a wrong. Which the game showed one such example. (though it was obviously very extreme)
Someone can still agree with the philosophy, while agreeing this is an example where the philosophy falls short.

The creator I feel did intend to make it more black and white, but honestly didnt go as overboard as some games with their propaganda.
Plus the games propaganda feels required, in order to explain a very interesting setting to explore. Where as some of the propaganda feels completely unnecessary for the plot/setting. Directly confronting a political view, and combating it is perfectly fine. (Pretty much every war game ever)

Bioshock falls into a sort of grey area.
its not horrible for what it did, but if anything, the example of "doing it right".
but its still guilty of being propaganda.

How old are you?

I love it when retards like yourself try and lasso "regular gamers" into your ideology when "regular gamers" don't give a fuck about Brown people or gay robots being in their game.

My cousin is a complete normie gamer. Skyrim, CoD, super excited for Borderlands 3. I asked him what he thought of the non-binary character.

Response: "Who?"

Im right wind and not pro capitalism. How is your baby argument holding up now?

>what is FFVII
>what is Atlus
when youre trying to teach morals youre teaching your politics as well, theres no escaping it

I showed you my morals. Answer me.

>forcing
There's that word again. But you can't back it up, can you, snowflake?

What are you talking about. those games are pretty damn political.

You could just write "i hate faggots in my games" and that would be it. No need to pretend that you like fun games

Because politics about transhumanism, intergalactic federations having culture and trade wars, and the hard to answer ethical question of free will vs determinism are infinitely more interesting and have more grey areas than BE NICE ALSO HERES A BLACK MAN AND A WOMAN NOW AND THEY SOOPER BAD ASS

>When you demanded that no one rock the boat.
did i? what boat? rock how? please explain.

Funny how you fight for symbolic representation, but then act like there's no weight to that symbolism when there's any push back.

Too busy killing God and saving crystals

They have a lot.
Common themes are

Anti-organised religion
Pro environmentalism
Thinking for yourself
Accepting responsibility for your actions

It definitely has parallels to oil and gas aswell. It's generally an allegory for climate change and energy as a whole.

congrats
you're an idiot

I agree, it's really tiring. The 2020 election is going to be one massive shitshow.

You haven't played them. How the fuck would you know?

well i'd like you to explain your position further, any party you feel identified with? any past movements who've shared your sentiment?
tell us

direct me to the post

Didn't Bioshock 2 explore the ideas of a socialist/communist centered cult of personality rising up was perhaps to blame for not only the fall of rapture in the first place but it was just as rotten, if not more, than Andrew Ryan's vision?

So. Much. This.
Well said brother

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Learn to use the Report button, Kiddo. Yea Forums will be vidya once the alt-right is purged.

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>thinking fatlus waifu fags and boomer jrpgers do even get what the games they are playing is about
if its not about fat anime tiddies and chuuni it might as well not exist for them my dude.

>church bad
>japan good
>gaijin bad
>nihonjin good
>faggots bad
>loli good
There's your jap politics bro

t. ex WOKE MEDIA journalist

Because I expect you to have at least two brain cells to rub together

I'm a cis white male narcissist. I'm not a incel salt-righter because I'm not a retarded flyover stater.

In the US I have no choice but to vote for Repulicans because so far they arent actively trying to systemically replace my people.

They do idiot

Literally every form of conflict can be abstracted to be somehow political by the mere presence of differences in power and perceived power

If a japanese game has a big bad who runs a corporation and has an army and you are a small rag tag group of people trying to defeat him, of course this can be a political message

Because political signalling in older games was more reflective of the developer's personal taste and not brash partisan signalling.
The difference between someone explaining the philosophy between let's say someone explaining the necessity of the distribution of power down to a local level and the restriction of it on a national level being necessary for a large nation to maintain the freedom and operating quality of its populace compared to say Some guy wearing a Make Space America Great Again hat shrieking about how Emperor Glim Glam is gonna fix everything because duchess Bleebo is from DA BAD GUISE
and this shit goes both ways.

you sound like a redditor

>except cod
CoD 4 is a worth a play

>less apart then 30 seconds
>both nail it
fucking based pottery

>I only started browsing Yea Forums after the 2016 election

Fuck I hate zoomers

Well, technically you can't vote for another six years, but I get what you mean.

cope and seethe

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since you posted bloodlines, here's a taste of the politics in bloodlines 2

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There also tends to be a message of moving on.
Usually focused around older generations getting out of the way for the younger.
I'm guessing the youth of the Japanese culture feel trapped or blocked by those older generations.

Because games like those have unrealistically evil villains who don't show the actual reality of whatever ideology they supposedly represent, and were intended as easy villains rather than actual political commentary.

when people say this they're referring to a political message that they don't like vs one that they do like

>ad campaign simply says "punch Nazis"
>feel targeted
hmmmmmm

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I never played it.
But I do know its not made by the same creator/team. So most likely someone wasnt happy about the originals portrayal of its politics lol.
Now I want to read about the creators "the making of" stories on this. Sounds like they were seriously bitter.

In the defense of centrism, which is nothing but a cowardly non-committal useful only for demanding to push in abhorrent, fascistic views and masquerade it as tolerance

you're not even trying, user. It's hard to think like them, I know.

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they're an oppressed class

nice thoughtpiece
i hate the phrasing of "guilty of being propaganda" tho, in writting a world with conflict you're gonna express politics one way or another thats inevitable

>Cod 4 old
>Bioshock old
Do zoomers actually believe this?

>abstracted
The most popular JRPG of this gen plot is a band of teenagers taking down a poliitician, which is clear caricature of a current japanase politician.
Imagine this happening in any western game and the autistic screeching from pol, i mean Yea Forums

And I say that you are a crybaby, a literal, physical representation of "rainbows make me cry"

Because they don't know what "soapboxing" is. They're just a bunch of imbecilic children who constantly throw tantrums over literally everything.

Ist not weird at all. Most modern "leftist" positions are 100% coporatist neoliberal "everything for the 1%" positions in effect. They may be packaged into leftist sounding messaging, but in effect the left is the political arm of the coporations.
Wrecking the nation state and making culture, identity, even gender only defined through consumption and emplyoment and nothing else is designed to optimize the entirety of humanity for the coporations profit and nothing else.

abhorrent, fascistic views such as what?

This, it feels like today's examples of politics in games are just shoved in marketing decisions to get people who believe in it to buy it whereas the examples in the OP would use it in an attempt to make the world more interesting and believable.

When you say "I don't want games with political themes in them" then I assume you mean that you don't want games with political themes in them. Having brain cells doesn't mean I'm psychic. Moving on, why does seeing modern political topics in video games hurt your feelings?

> political opponents have been making jokes about "punching nazis" while they punch random bystanders for years
> but you're not allowed to feel threatened by "punch nazis"

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I'll continue to watch just how far they can push things and laugh at any of the fuck ups along the way. There is no limited to how pants on head people will become.

they're over a decade old you fucking sperg

If it shoves it in for the sake of having it that sucks
if it actually does something with it then no big deal unless it's condoning vivisection or some shit

What a fucking turd of a post

Based, i think trump is a literal retard but at least he isnt actively campaigning to displace white people (incoming article about him saying one positive sentence about affirmative action or something, dont care he'd never be on the level of some dem faggot constantly pushing for diversity)

Muslims are fucking shit and if my president literally barred them from entering the country at one point, thats all i need to see. I can deal with him sucking isreals cock if it also comes with him realizing white people made a pretty nice place and thats worth upkeeping

you seem really desperate to believe that everyone who's tired of forced politics in games is a /pol/tard.
it's true that the people who have unironic meltdowns whenever there's a brown or gay character in a game are pathetic. it's also true that all of these modern games with /r/politics-level commentary and john oliver-tier "humor" are going to look outdated and irrelevant a decade from now.

post tits

Hey I hate to tell you this, but if you're an unironic national socialist. Hitler was using people for political power.
Ironically he maybe could have had a point if he attacked zionism because Xenonationals are an absolute threat to any country they're in, and they use people for political fodder.
Ironically, the only thing he accomplished was not addressing the real issue and giving Israel a free pass for any of the abhorrent shit they do and meddling in other countries

>Politics I like is better than politics I don't like

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Yeah i said abstracted just to give myself wiggle room but there are actually tons of completely and explicitly political modern japanese games

There you go. Your brain just switches off when you're asked to explain your thoughts. That's because they aren't *your* thoughts.

>Most modern "leftist" positions are 100% coporatist neoliberal "everything for the 1%" positions in effect.
Neoliberal =/= left

>They may be packaged into leftist sounding messaging, but in effect the left is the political arm of the coporations.
That part is true. Corporate Democrats like to call themselves "progressive leftist" when in fact only their public speeches rhetoric reflects that, but where they take their big money from and the direction of the actual legislation they vote on does not reflect leftist values whatsoever.

well i couldve phrased it better, i meant to say that when you portray the world you inject your views of the world into that portrayal, what you think is good and bad, and thats politics, even if they're not at the forefront of the narrative or they were not that thought out
what said doesnt contradict the fact that they are politics that get represented

Well it was so long ago but I don't think it was bitterness they just needed a new angle to attack.

Rapture was created by the extremes of a capitalist and objectivist ideal. Extreme individualism and being motivated by only individual growth. I think the idea of two was to show that the opposite, extremes of collectivism and being motivated by collective growth was just as bad and damaging.

>this
no not this, retard. The majority of the games in Op and older games which tackeled politic and ideology didnt do "but 2 sides!" shit. I bet you can even direct quote one zoomer

Shut the fuck up. NOBODY WANTS LEFTISTS POLITICS IN VIDEO GAMES, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK PEOPLE LIKE JAPANESE VIDEO GAMES MORE?

Leftists politics is human cancer, its evil and abnormal, why can you not admit that no sane people want your "politics" (more like religion) shoved down their throat? Its like deep down you know people hate you, but you must force your politics down people throat.

that was the plot of gears 3 you retard. the game you said had no political ideas

Only in a pea brain like yours does wanting the preservation of my people equal being a nazi

>Declare anyone that isn't in partisan alignment with you a nazi
>WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF PEOPLE SAYING PUNCH NAZIS? WHAT ARE YOU A NAZI???

Then make THAT argument.

Instead of saying "MUH FORCED DIVERSITY BLACK PEOPLE NON BINARY ROBOT REEEEEEE"

Just say: "this game isn't funny"

not to mention constantly pushing for mass immigration, which in turn drives down wages and increases demand (thus cost) of the essentials of life

if marx could see the modern "left"...

Corporatism, anything alt-right, the enrichment of the wealthy at the cost of the common man, between many others.
It shouldn't be too difficult to see, but first you'd need to take out your head out of your ass.

Why do faggots pretend demanding that the average person pay for your cosmetic surgery is the same as oil companies destroying the planet and media control?

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We're all already the same.

I haven't played a gears game in years so forgive me if I don't remember a wholly forgettable plotline, dipshit. My point still stands.

>cetrism only works for the views i dislike.
oddly enough the right also say the same about centrists.

functionally centrists end up not taking sides, which prevents either side from gaining ground on the other, so its not actually helpful to either.
The only way it "helps a side" is if one was already vastly larger than the other.
And at that point, doesnt help the lesser side, unless its very close to being a tie.

lastly, centrists do fight, if the view is extreme.
They are an "anti-extreme" side. No matter how bad the right or left get, the center will always combat them from going "too far".

most centrists helped push leftist views in the past, and now help push right views, because we kept trying to go too extreme to the right before, and now too extreme to the left.
But once things die down, and it gets "close" they drop out of the race, because they are content with "good enough".
There will never be "perfection" as ALL views, no matter what, ALWAYS have a downside, and are ALWAYS able to be manipulated for corruption.

>
>>Declare anyone that isn't in partisan alignment with you a nazi

Who? When? Where?

Are we making stuff up again user?

What did fallout have to do with politics other than an extreme version of the cold War causing a nuclear war? The game always seemed more focused on the human condition in a world where everything nearly dead. It only seemed like the fallout games that Bethesda worked on are the ones where political shit becomes more of a focus of the games.

Or, instead of calling it political, call it propaganda.

>anything alt-right
declare and define
>the enrichment of the wealthy at the cost of the common man
i trust you oppose mass immigration then

yes i think that was his point, though overly simplified
and he is also right about hard questions about the future rather than addressing the rhetoric of fear mongerers

k

If you feel threatened by "Punch nazis", you are exactly the kind of person that deserves to feel threatened.

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True, its very possible. Since I never played it, Im just making assumptions.

>Then make THAT argument.
i HAVE been making that argument this entire time. maybe try reading the posts you're replying to before you reply to them.

its not even a problem if its literarly the plot, see here:
It just something specific with Yea Forums and the west that triggers people. And with the west i mean actually the west, like north america

kys zoomer

they aint random strangers, they're public speakers spreading propaganda with a history of doing as much
we dont go around punching all willy nilly, we targed who we wanna punch, we aint stupid
plus when yalls on twitter screeching about how much you wanna gas the jews thats "just a joke bro"? get real

No I agree it wasn't always 2 sides, in fact I'd say Bioshock 2's weakest part is it made Bioshock 1 into "BUT 2 SIDES" and came off shit. Point is though that the games didn't feel like blatant marketing ploys and had a reason to be there in the game.

Well frankly most people are too stupid to actually acknowledge the real issue when it comes to the American left basically importing votes because they're unelectable, and considering you opted to state your ideology was "anti capitalistic" and "right wing". It kind of narrows it down in modern political assessment.

Is this your first time on the 4chins?

the president is nothing more than a buffoonish bill clinton

relax and stop spreading hateful speech about brutalizing people you really have no actual disagreement with, friend

>10 years
>old

What about the video he quoted?
Clearly shows a two sided debate and doesn't end by telling you who won.

Literally everyone trying to state any view that isn't #imwithher is interchangable with Nazism. Nevermind we have the communist terrorist group running around.

>3 million illegals!!!!

Still no evidence. Try again boomer.

You are such a disingenuous piece of shit.

>The only way it "helps a side" is if one was already vastly larger than the other.
GUESS FUCKING WHAT

>wahhh muh "leftist" boogyman!
>everything I dont like is "leftist"!
Stfu fag

>>>Declare anyone that isn't in partisan alignment with you a nazi
>
>Who? When? Where?
>
>Are we making stuff up again user?
The question is, are you playing ignorant because you want people to start posting shit demonstrating that because you are ideologically opposed to the position you're LARPing as, or are you being intentionally dishonest to provoke further conflict?

Yes? The ones i mentioned and more interesting to me and have much more room for subtelty.

Also pushing acceptance of trannies is harmful in my opinion but the least a game can do it attempt to shed some light on both sides of this argument. Perhaps a game that has something to say about trans people and accepting them could also include the possibility that conforming to the gender you were assigned can also be an alternative and maybe bring up the idea that trannies are still depressed after hormones/reassignment

Then you can have an interesting discussion about the implications of society accepting these people and everyone being better off vs it being a delusion that is being entertained

But right now this would be handled like this

"IM A BADASS TRANS CHARACTER"

Its like, cool, thats like if bioshock just said SOCIETY BAD SOCIETY BAD over and over without the back and forth you get from characters like ryan and fontaine. You get the idea that while rapture went to shit, they could still indulge in some decadence, things seemed nice for a while, the existence of plasmids also had interesting implications for a society

They didnt just yell something full stop, there was a discussion to be had either by characters or through the world itself

It is much more than "me like this politic more than this one"

Im not anti capitalist and im not pro capitalist. Did you ever consider that to be the case? I dont care about gay "isms" i just want whatever works best for the nuclear family unit.

Same thing with movies. Main problem nowadays is they hire shit writers who transform the moral debate of their story into a heavy handed moralization. Bad practice you're warned about in any screenwriting book.

I agree, I stated as much in a prior post.
I more so meant the intent of the creator.
Having characters and a world, is going to have politics, regardless if you intend to or not.

I consider propaganda something that tries to convince you of a view, and through the use of extremes, and over simplified black/white examples.

Bioshock skirts that line. Sometimes it lets u make ur own choice, and sometimes it doesnt.
Sometimes it over simplifies, and sometimes it doesnt.
So you're correct that im being a bit biased when i say "guilty" because I technically dont actually know, but im inclined to think its more likely propaganda, than not.

only a pea brain like you believes in the great replacement

you become impossible to support by saying "punch ..."

>wholly forgettable
>the literal entire driving force behind the entire series
boy your choice of a non-political game sure did blow up in your retarded face

>an allegory for nuclear power
>as if nuclear power is seen as a bad thing by anyone

moron

zoomers aren't going to play ff7
he's just weeb

>thinks his people are being replaced

The only people who can actually make this claim are the Natives because the government has actually tried to erase them. Democrats allowing people who are escaping violence and a better life who are willing to do the jobs "your" people are not doing in the first place isn't replacement.

Stop drinking the /pol/ kool-aid.

So you don't know shit about video games? I wouldn't be bragging about that.

>marketing ploy
on that we can agree on but thats like a problem with consumerism in general.
Everything is a vehicle to feed the masses their brand, politics are just another one.
Dont forget we live a society where people are more likely to buy games if it comes for their favorite fisher price tablet BUT not for another game console toy even if doesnt effect them.

Don't worry, after 2024 you won't have to worry about Trump and you can stop pretending to fight imaginary fascists and find a less stressful way to lie your way into some pussy.

These guys call themselves Nazis. They're the clowns. And judging by your post, so are (You).

I have a question.

Why are left wingers the only retards stupid enough to actually believe games were always political?

Why do they lie? Why do they hate us so much that they need to rewrite history in order to justify their disgusting genetically inferior communist and far left views in video games when no one wants them?

Are these people actually stupid enough to think themes and good storytelling make video games political? Are westerners really that vacant and stupid?

I mean, what is next? Are you gonna say something cringe-worthy, like how all societies is just politics? You probably thought you said something profound, but it just shows how profoundly stupid you are. If anything, I think it better demonstrates how spiritually and morally vacant you are. All leftists are spiritually and morally bankrupt, they have none, their own civilization is decaying by the actions of their fellow leftists. In order to fill the empty void, they basically use far left wing politics as the starting point for their worldview, their purpose of existence, their morals, their spirituality. In fact, left wingers aren't even valid politics, its more like some borderline religious cult that engages in politics.

You sad little retard. If you think video games are political, its a huge red flag. I mean, you know The Simpsons right? You heard of John Swartzwelder right? If you actually believed in the garbage you wrote, you would believe that some of the episodes he wrote are far left pro-environmental political episodes, when in fact, he is himself a hardcore libertarian and no environmentalists. Its just he understands the importance of good storytelling.

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Leftist in the context refers to a specific group of people. (Because you know, party before policy)

>300+ posts and not a single counter-argument
What's it like, believing in something that you can't even justify with words, simply because somebody else told you to?

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Not him but you are a fucking retard, there are people campaigning against nuclear power because they perceive it to be unstable and dangerous

Instead of shilling for immigration why dont you shill against corporations to raise wages so Americans can do those jobs?

Only if you are such a noncomittal nimcopoop that believes in horseshit like "both sides"
Face it, some people need to be punched. People with destructive views that only seek to destroy society.

i dont think it on itself is a problem desu
i have a problem when its politics i dont agree with, but the problem is i dont agree with those politics
and thats just a thing, that happens

The driving force behind the games is mankind vs locus, not some refugee side-story in one game, dunce.

Yeah no, cease your pretending to be retarded

How about punch niggers? Only a destructive nigger would be offended by this

I can play this game too moron

because then you gonna shoot me with your half automatic rifle because i made your chicken nuggets and tshirts more expensive by that.

Go back where you came from

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Because those were serious political themes, like a corporation literally killing the planet and conducting unethical human experiments for profit.
Someone refusing to call you a "xhe" isn't a threat to the world.

>N-NO U
That is not how the game works, moron.

Nope, it's just that I just realized this is Yea Forums and from reading your non-arguments I'm just going to assume you're a false flag.
Maybe you're just retarded and don't know what a simple word means. A rational discussion with logic and reason will not compute with someone like you.

I am quite literally, politically mutually exclusive with nazism.

ah yes neo-nazis behind every blade of grass etc

t. tranny

I love how whenever there is a political board people become so angry

>AHHHHH a purple haired tranny on Twitter with 7 followers called me a Nazi this obviously means anyone talking about Nazis is personally targeting me a completely normal white heterosexual male who does absolutely not routinely talk about white genocide and (((them)))

Except Bill was one of our best presidents. The unpresident is fully unamerican. There's no comparison.

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It literally does. What if i genuinely view blacks to be destructive to my country? With their insane rates of fatherless children and gang violence, why shouldnt i have the same approach to them that you do to nazis?

well a challenge to a previous notion on itself could constitute propaganda if you think about it that way
"why would i question status quo? status quo undeniably good, propaganda!"
and such

nuclear family unit is (((rent seeker))) nonsense

the extended family unit is the only arrangement that is pro-human

You have be absolutely blind to not see what kind of people have the wealth, and control the media and the government. And they are definitely not lefitsts.

Yea Forums is absolutely dog shit. Look at this thread this huge fucking faggot made, and then look at all the people who are just as big of fags who took it seriously. Everyone in this thread should be permabanned.

you are pathetic

A lot of Democrats who actually run the party basically take every opportunity they can to capitulate with right wing policies when they're voted on. The ones who vote against right wing establishment driven policies are smeared in the media and risk losing support as a consequence. These corporate democrates even attack other Democrats who fail to fall in line when the right wing establishment seriously wants them to

>muh flyover state
Yeah man I hate living around normal people in a comfy town instead of living in a shithole city trying to avoid the shit flung by hobos and getting stabbed by a nigger with AIDS on my way to get my onions latte to drink while slaving away for a big tech monopoly.

Shitposting for (You)'s it is then.

Dilate chapo tranny

When you watch democratic debates and every candidate is literally saying anyone who supported Trump is racist, how can you help but not feel threatened?

See

>Tales series in general
The most recent entry boils down to deontology versus utilitarianism to the ultimate degree, with the heroine fighting on behalf of deontology, and she wins.

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you sound like you want to destroy society desu

disingenuous in what way?
so you're saying extreme right is larger than the extreme left?
despite the larger majority of people who voted democratic?
granted being left/right doesnt mean youre on the extreme end, but its the only numbers i can go by.
also, define fascist, because when you look up the definition, ist agreed upon by scholars to not really have any real clear definition, since there are facists governments that are exceptions to all the definitions.

The ONLY commonly shared traits of all facists, is "the use of force, to push a belief, while not accepting any other."

Which ironically is what the extreme left/anti-fascists do. Hence why your argument that centrists arent helping is bullshit.
They are currently siding with the right, due to extreme leftists getting out of hand.
Once the pendulum swings, and rights become crazy again, centrists will be against them too.

The games in this list use political themes and ideologies to flesh out the world and characters
Vampire, Fallout, Deus Ex and Mass Effect are RPGs where you have characters with different beliefs and you can choose who to side with, the games don't say they are wrong or right
The problem with "politics" in modern games is that the boil down to hamfisted political messages from shitty writers telling you what to think instead of giving you ideas to think about

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Enjoying games which explore important themes like patriotism, industrial dehumanisation and transhumanism is not the same as being thinly veiled tranny propaganda.

Idiot.

I know cognitive dissonance is strong, but, you should think about the possibility of being in the wrong team

"Black" is not an ideology. Nazi is. You have no argument.

And yet still not the life force of the planet, you reaching chimp. Nuclear power is not a hot-button issue to anyone or any group on the planet, least of all the Japanese.

By your shitty definitions, every single story ever written was a political agenda. Fucking imbecile.

well you dumb nigger it's because in ye olde days of yore the political theme wasn't shoved down your throat as an extension of some real world political association's propaganda but rather it existed to actually bolster the underlying theme of the game. in other words it served the game and not some dumb pink haired turbo feminist who hates men and wants to castrate babies

>i just want whatever works best for the nuclear family unit.
So you're a capitalist.

Engels and Lenin wrote entire books about how the nuclear family is a bourgeois capitalist invention, and they're completely right by the way.

the locust are escaping the underground because of the lambent. the humans created lambent by drilling for immulsion. this is the foundation of the entire plot of the first 3 games. you're a retard.

There is no right team you moron. But so far one of the teams isnt trying to replace me and my family.

>equating nazi (political position) to being black (being born a color)
fallacy, try again

>to do the jobs "your" people are not doing in the first place isn't replacement.
you are a neoliberal

what the fuck are you on about you mentalist

I never get why OPs post is used as a gotcha moment by people. It's probably the best example of the term false-equivalency going.
Bioshock's coverage of Andrew Ryan's objectivism nightmare isn't the same as taking a jab at Trump in Wolfenstein.
The sooner people realise that there's a difference between commentary on the Military Industrial Complex and a game having no male/female options (which barely qualifies as "politics" anyway) the better.

That will never happen if you continue to vote republican.

Also, I can not find Americans willing to do the work I need them to do or aren't high as a kite. The only people willing and able are migrants. I try to hire legal people but they simply don't exist.

Leftists deserve to be tortured. I have read stories in Latin America and the USSR and torture does seem to be the only way to force a leftists to act less destructive. Certainly, facts and logic doesn't make the leftists any less zealous. These people even murdered geneticists because they didn't like what they heard. Stalin shows you can torture your close comrades, and they will be okay with admitting that they are indeed traitors to the USSR and deserve to die. They may deny genes, but they cannot deny the pain that their genes allowed to exist in the first place.

You are harboring this weird delusion that your left wing political views deserve to be tolerated and respected. No. Far leftism isn't valid politics, its a mental disorder caused by certain genetic traits. Every far leftists acts the same, because they all have the same maladaptive trait. They have same mannerism, same belief patterns, their behavior is predictable. Its a mental disorder, why should these views be anymore respected then the political views of schizo?

Even now, they cannot admit that most people would even be okay with propaganda in video games, as long as its well done, but not if its leftists. Leftists politics don't belong in video games. Ever.

Rotten trees always produce rotten apples. Don't let it kill the forest.

The GOP AKA, the Confederacy is the real problem.

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Why do people act like gamers hate politics in general when it's obvious that they don't hate all politics, just this wave of games with clearly biased political agendas?

I too saw this meme going around on leftist twitter.

Leftist strawmen like this rely on exploiting the average teenager's inability to express clearly exactly what they find politically objectionable about many modern games, causing them to instead fall back on just saying "I hate politics in games" as a blanket statement.

An educated adult understands that any story will contain a "political" outlook, but a typical 15 year old doesn't, and so considers a story that conforms to their own view of the world "non-political". The fact that the creator of this meme is targeting such uneducated people really highlights the classist bigotry underlying a lot of liberal-left discourse.

qed

the proud boys are fascists and real what the fuck are you talking about

I'm asking you to explain your choice of the word "forcing" in the context of a creator willingly adding an element to their creation. You cannot. You have instead opted to disengage your brain to prevent it from being affected by challenging information. You tell yourself that I am false -- that I am not real -- because that thought triggers the release of seratonin, which makes you feel good. Sleep tight.

yes they're YOUR TEAM of neoliberal cunts. you are their stormtroopers. keep cancelling people's lives and punshing randomers you absolutely sickening neolib cunt.

(((You)))

38%er logic.

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Oh, this again.

Those games, every single one you posted, are political based on ideology. Games now are about identity, and thats far too nebulous of a concept for anyone to take seriously.

>tfw your crew of furry ecofashies are gathering tonight to blow up a starbucks
yiff yaff motherfucker

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>they aint random strangers
yes they are
>we dont go around punching all willy nilly
yes you do
>we aint stupid
yes you are
>plus when yalls on twitter screeching about how much you wanna gas the jews
too bad you're not punching those people, you're a radicalized lunatic who has spent too much time on the internet and can't correctly identify a "nazi" you probably don't even know what fascism actually means. If you didn't think everyone who isn't far left was a nazi, people wouldn't feel as threatened. But being in favor of political violence makes you closer to being a fascist than the moderates and conservatives you call "nazis". The "nazis" are fringe as fuck and have zero influence, you're tilting at windmills and think anyone who disagrees with you must be a neo-nazi.

>"but we're ANTI-fascists we can do no wrong"
Wow, hard to believe people can see through this sophistry huh? If the nazis had simply called themselves "the good guys" would you then be in favour of them? Or are the actions of a group more important then what they choose to label themselves?

Does that justify putting gay pride flags into one of the games?

their refrences and jabs to many presidents in old games.
Sounds like you became a fragile snowflake

Please share an example of a non political story from a game

literally started shaking when Beto said his first act would be a government mandated castration of all white males

>lie your way into some pussy.
nice projection, only an incel believes the endgoal is pussy

>why dont you want a [typical undesirable SJW golem] in your game I thought you like politics
>I dont like it and it adds nothing to the game stop calling it politics
LALALALALALALALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU ALTRIGHT /POL/ INCEL LALALALALALALALA

God I love these threads.

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>I'm going to keep being disingenuous and not acknowledge that the american left (as an organization) has not been targeting POTENTIAL political adversaries and ruining their lives for the past 4 years
>I will also continue to imply that you are talking about the white genocide because I can't actually defend the monumentally more horrible reality that my political party sees its constituents as entirely replaceable, IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE
>A-ALSO YOU'rE An AnTiSeMITE
Brilliant argument there, glow in the dark.
See the issue isn't
DERE MAKING DA AMEWICA BWOOOWN it's that a political party finds it COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE to massively import people in order to achieve a desired result, while pretending to even have any sort of interest in the democratic process, and I got news for you.
If you think it'll stop at just replacing the people on racial grounds. The reality of the situation is far more horrible to acknowledge.

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bill clinton wanted a wall on the southern border and a reduction of immigration. trump is basically clinton.

How does the conflict between the Hillyans and the DomZ infiltrating the government in BG&E have any bearing whatsoever on real world politics?

There's a difference between games that explore political themes and games that are preachy propaganda. One gives you something to think about and one tells you what to think.

When people say they don’t want politics in their games they mean they don’t want the epic drumpf owned rant that you think is brilliant

Black isn't an ideology. Nigger is. He wanted to punch niggers, not blacks. All niggers are a danger to society, not all blacks are.

There's nothing more hilarious than leftist chicken brains calling other people sensitive when they started the whole bullshit with trigger warnings and safe spaces

Disingenuous in that you keep refusing to see how goddamn corrupted American politics are. Near completely taken over by corporate shits pushing an actual, bonafide agenda of maintaining the status quo because that is what benefits them, and here you are arguing that the left is exactly the same as the right.

If you think the "political games" in the OP are right-wing you're in for a nasty shock.

being queer isn't politics

I agree. but Id still like to label it a grey area. Because sometimes a counter argument isnt trying to push for a perceived truth, but just an admittance to a fault.

Such as a science book. It would be propaganda, if it tried to argue "the truth". But it depends heavily in how it portrays the opposing view.
if it portrays it accurately, it can still be wrong, but portrayed accurately, and not cartoonishly.

Since the book doesnt portray it in such a ridiculous way, I wouldnt consider a science book as propaganda.

So in this case, I still see it as "Grey".

What's it like, willfully ignoring every counter-argument in the thread to pretend you have a point?

So you genuinely believe there isnt a dominant black culture that happens to be not as conducive to human well being?

Sure sure. And Ancient aliens totally built those pyramids.

The thing is that those older games handled the polical messages well, and weren't hamfisted due to writers having to tackle topics they weren't personally experienced/interested in, but had to do stuff in because execs saw the big money in identity politics or whatever.

>made up argument
>buzzword
It's like poetry, it rhymes.

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Tell me the significance of the underlying political commentary in Super Mario Bros, Pokemon, Sonic the Hedgehog, Crash Bandicoot, and any of the Castlevania games and explain how said commentary is relevant to today's political climate.

That's the stupidest mental gymnastics I've seen all day.

This
Just like being retarded isnt politics.

2 years out of date

Politics in games back then were only applicable to the inner lore and logic of those worlds. They didn't try to awkwardly angle IRL shit into them

Good post. Too bad it will be ignored as this thread 404’s into a pool of room temp iq shitposts.

Because I like when an artist's political message is nuanced and shows itself through smart plot design and vocal subtext, rather than when it's clearly presented to me as the correct and only takeaway from the work.

>name calling
You sure convinced me, let's gas the kikes, shoot every nigger we see, and then deport those Mexicans. That will surely solve the problem of white Americans not doing basic labor work.

>All leftist have the same belief patters

Fucking lmao no shit dumb fuck

Niggers are a danger user.

kek

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>Political undertones
vs
>MUH DRIMPHFFFF
>MUH TRANNIES
>MUH HOMOS IN EVERY GAME
Fuck off retard.

>"we need immigrants so that gigantic corporations can have cheap and convenient access to labour"
>"lmao he's calling me a neoliberal what a dumbass"

Based

dems say a lot of things about immigration but won't actually do anything

I only play Stonekeep, HoMM3, and WoW Classic anymore, I don't give a shit lol.

Because your IQ is so low that you can't differentiate between in-game politics that can have a morale and make for an interesting story with IRL politics shoved into a game to push an agenda.

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Fiction does not exist in a vacuum.

>were not hamfisted
>a minimum of 3 of those game in the op have sections were characters break immersion and go on a monologue that is clearly adressign the player for a messeage
i hate this thread but i love how they show how many people on Yea Forums dont even played the games they are talking about

Do you admit that whites built desirable societies and they are worth maintaining and if you exchanged americas population with all of somalia that america would just become somalia?

>I'm a huge racist please rape my face
I mean please continue invalidating any semblance of a hope of an argument you're trying to make.

Learn to report instead of just grunting. Do something.

Mental illness is a danger, not skin color you weird easily frightened faggot.

>no argument
>calls everyone disagreeing with him a jew

The absolute state of /pol/.

Video games were never political and only (genetically inferior) far leftists actually believe video games are political.

This post demonstrates their behavior. The reason why quasi-communist believe this, is because they don't reproduce, their views, in order to propagate thru society, requires a mechanism to force people to adopt it. To them, video games are not about fun, they are simply another tool to propagate their worldviews. Ever find it odd that these same fundies also advocate for games to be MORE political? They know deep down that any politics they disagree will get quashed down, but their views will be massively promoted.

So of course they get mad when people tell them they don't want their politics in video games. They get as mad as a fundie Christian might at being told to stop forcing his religion in his video games because its turning off people. Its because both are zealous religious nutcases. The problem is that we are more tolerant of fundie leftists.

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rofl

Spoken like a true useful idiot

it's forced when it doesn't have a reason to be there. Almost like it feels out of place. It has nothing to do with the creator's will. You just created a definition to fit your own agenda. fuck off

Mass reply baby bitch

>claim older games didnt do that, no evidence
>claim older games did, no evidence
>"haha made up nigger!"
>green meme text
peak pol

What is 13% and also 50%?

I'll give you a hint. It's not mental illness. It's niggers.

Do you think all black people are niggers user?
The fuck is wrong with you?

That is a lot of words just to say that you know shit all of games

>le ebul capitalist bogeyman invented monogamy

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See
>

Didn't they go out of their way to use a Trump slogan as well?

Seethe more JIDF

>haha truth, facts and how to win an argument come down to who has better memes xD
Based.

>I was going to reply but then I realized this is a bait thread and only thing I need to say is

KYS yourself.

>statistics are fucking racist!

Yes

Imagine being such a brainlet that Abe looks political for you.

>lefties are literal wife sharing cuckolds
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I think the bigger problem is how the politics in a game setting are no longer allowed to be an analogous theme to be explored in that world only.
There seems to be a constant need, and a backlash if this isn't accomplished, to have those political themes be as close to real life as possible or else it's considered clunky and bad and tasteless by the very people who crave political theme exploration in their games.
It parallels the same issue you have with "gamers" (usually journalist) not able to "relate" to the characters on their screen because their characters don't look exactly like themselves.
I think it's all marketing towards a group of (loud yet small) people who are desperately seeking a self-insertion fantasy that allows them to play out their fantasies of being some real life revolutionary or hero. But it has some sort of weird twist to it because it's almost as if these people lack imagination and are leaning on game developers to fill in the gaps that their imaginations can't form. Also seems to get packaged with the need for more "cinematic gameplay" and a demand for ultra easy press X to win modes.

It's really an odd thing. I don't think it's the politics themselves that are the problem is all in presentation because of those above factors. For this audience, they have an imagination so blasted that they can't link allegory and metaphor of a self contained fictional world back to what they know of the real world. They are looking towards video games not as skills but as the "power fantasy" they constantly rail against and can't "relate" unless characters look and talk exactly like them.
And they also want to be told they're right about what they feel.
Basically "politics" in games are suffering because of a chase towards an audience that can't handle a challenge in any form it takes. I guess that's why they also keep harping on video games as escapism entertainment instead of a hobby of skill.

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>won't someone please think of the ultra-rich?

But seriously, what compels someone to see the atrocities of the Nazis and think "this is good and cool, I am a Nazi"?

EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL SHAUN, I HAVE A PODCAST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, I'M TOTALLY NOT A SELF INSERT OF THE CREATORS

REEE YOU JUST DONT WANT WOMEN AND MINORITIES IN YOUR VIDEO GAMES REEEEEE

To quote my best friend "user, being a nigger has nothing to do with race."

What happened to you that made you completely incapable of accepting an opposing viewpoint?

>anything I don't agree with glows in the dark
That's one hell of a argument coming from someone accusing others of being disingenuous.

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i didnt even mention immigrants, i just make fun of white trash like you that pretend they would be ok with raising wages and what that would cause for them

Mario saves the princess and goes wahoo

Eh, the family is dying already, soon people will be created in incubators and there will no need for parents.

Logic, truth, and objective facts are just constructs by the white patriarchy, sweaty :^)

If we're going to be serious about this, the people "in charge" are not leftists. You're technically correct.
But they are the ones leading the charge in "leftism".
They pretend to be leftists, and yell out how they are out to get to alt right or out to get nazis, or out to get fascists.

We've seen the tactic a million times in history.
Politicians use "Leftism" to get people riled up and agressive, and fight opposition.
Once they "win" and the government is given the power to "fix social problems" they claim they cant stop racism/sexism/X-ism, and keep grabbing more power.
Then they cant have aggressive extremist people, and ban their extremism/Leftism.
A common tactic is to rile up feminists, and then ban feminism after they have power.

Political "Leftism" is corruption pretending to be worried about social issues.
Examples being Hilary and AOC.
They pretend to care about political issues, but continued to show they are corrupt, and use underhanded tactics.
Antifa is being supported/paid for, by corporations/politicians who benefit from their actions.
its a money making game, and the average leftist person is being played like a fiddle.

Read the books, zulu.
Monogamy does not lead to modern nuclear families and chads are polygamous anyways.

That's their endgame, yeah.

Brevity something something wit.
>pol
Isn't like rule two something about being over 18?

There's a difference between having political themes that exist within their own world and trying to shoehorn contemporary politics into games that immediately break your immersion.

>some people need to be punched
Except that doesn't change their minds, they're still there and they can still vote. You live in a democracy remember?

Rich coming from a leftist faggot. Go cancel someone.

engels and marx wrote that the family is communism on a small scale

The thing is, fiction does not exist in a vacuum, and neither do their politics. Unless you make something so completely abstract that it could have not been conceived by anything human, fiction and politics in fiction will be inspired, have analogue, crib parts from reality.

No. Stop being a racist retard looking for justification in being a racist piece of shit. "Black culture" is not a monolith, static and the same everywhere. There is no "dominant black culture". Fix your thinking and try again.

>let's hug this guy who's stabbing us, that will surely stop the violence

I would absolutely, completely unironically vote for Hitler for next POTUS if they resurrected him somehow. Not because I think he'd do a good job, but because I believe a proper all-out world war is preferable to the fucking obnoxious annoyance of our current life. I just want all the fucking whiny bitches on social media to be silenced forever so that I don't have to acknowledge their existence.

Nobody wants to be land grabbing nazi germany, whites just want a place to call home. Am i to expect some sarcastic "boohoo pity the poor white people" post? How little need to be left and how in ruin do formerly white countries need to be before white people are allowed to have their own country and their own identity?

>500 posts in less than 2 hours

Be honest, how many of you are from /pol/.

ATTENTION
ATTENTION
ATTENTION
ATTENTION

ANY EGIRLS IN THIS THREAD WANNA DITCH THIS GAY ASS SHIT AND HAVE DISCORD SEX?

ATTENTION
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>truth, facts
Things which the left hates.
>how to win an argument
Better memes.

>thinking about naked Vietnamese children in the shower
creepy tbqh

>cant refute anything
are mental patient allowed on the internet?

God forbid the political message you use also teaches a controversial lesson or puts the "good guys" on the side of the not currently majority political spectrum, then you just get drowned in hate.

That's still subtle as fuck compared to what we have today.

The nuclear family is not the human normal. The human normal is extended family all living together or very closely. 2 parents 2.5 children is a very forced thing by a capitalist society in order to sell more houses, household goods, and goods and services related to traveling between extended family.

>there will no need for parents
This, the argument is that society at large will care for children as community-wide labor.

The extended family, fuck off retard.

>things no serious person has ever said
K.

>There is no "dominant black culture".
there clearly is, and it begins and ends with YUNG TWAT #10342

Westerners produce such shitty fucking games, and threads like this makes you wonder if its genetic. After all, if shitty ass westerners in this thread are defending politics in video games exist on Yea Forums and on Resetera, then statistics shows that these awful beliefs will also permeate western devs.

You make such shitty games westerners. And its because of people like this. Narcissistic individualism. Thank goodness my race doesn't fall prey to such an ideology, not that westerners were making good video games before the 2000s.

I mean, fucking look at this! Narcissistic individualism and morally bankrupt. Imagine actually believing these things! Believing everything is politics is the most pseudointelletucal thing I heard. If you spent just a few minutes really dwelling on it, you'll see why its such a profoundly stupid thing to say.

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>there are unironic commies browsing this thread right now

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>Unless you make something so completely abstract that it could have not been conceived by anything human
Boy do I have the game for you

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Those political themes were contemporary politics of its time brainlet, you were just to young to get it back then.

I'm not about to engage a lunatic salt-righty, dum-dum.

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Agreed, niggers need to be punched as their destructive insistence on gang violence and creating fatherless children is damaging to society

They pretend to be leftists but are not leftists again. If you excuse the no true scotsman, a leftist that sincerely believes capitalism and the corporate are not destructive has some severe issues.

Listen, I can insult you and be right at the same time.
Thanks for taking the bait and proving you can't actually be honest about the true horror of the american left.

of course contemporary leftism has looked at all previous attempts at non-capitalist societal structure
that includes the USSR yes, the general opinion is that they did not achieve communism, stopped at state-capitalism
but what you're wrong about is every leftists having the same belief pattern, there's branches
a tankie might want to excuse the ussr, but a tankie is an idiot, as they say
succesful attempts at communism include catalonia during the spanish civil war, and thomas sankara's burkina faso, i reccomend looking into the subjects, real fucken interesting, both were violently overthrown by fascist oposition sadly
still theres many other examples

no, but it's obvious that you're a post-election newfag who thinks this site is just a personal toilet for your shitposting.

no its not, but atleast you replied i guess to deflect so thats something i guess

I mean, your viewpoint is that black people are dangerous because they're black. It doesn't seem like nonsense to you because you're mentally ill.

Why do leftists always lie about what people are complaining about? No one gave a shit when your main character was a literal tranny in faria in the 1980s. No one cared samus was a woman in metroid. People just don't want to spend money to be shit on. Is it really so hard to understand that they dont want modern politics in their videogames? Discussing the hypothetical implementation of libertarianism in an underwater city with magical seaslugs is not the same thing as telling someone that they should kill themselves because their skin is white. Trying to justify transgender queer black women fighting on the front lines of world war 1 or 2 or even vietnam is not the same thing as discussing 17/18th century political/philosophical themes with space aliens. When you literally put a modern character into a non modern setting and then try to warp reality around that character so you can push your current modern day political beliefs, you arent making a game, you are making propaganda. Political themes should be nuanced, not smashing you in the face and telling you you are a bad person for disagreeing with the author/creator.

From what I read it's less to do with the resulting actions but the causes that lead to the rise of extremist nationalist groups that make people emulate the ideal's of these groups.

i.e. cultural genocide, migrant invasions and unfair punishments on a native group of people.

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There is a pretty fucking big difference between a political theme that's only relevant in the game's world, and shoving actual political issues from our world into video games.

If you think video games are inherently political, you are a fucking retarded westerner.

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Im trying to genuinely have a discussion with you

Do you believe some cultures are more conducive to human well being than others?

I'd love to see the people with knives that people are apparently walking up to and punching.

>bioshock
Proves socialism is stupid, anyone with an brain would know that.
>fallout
No politics
>mgs3
Barely any politics besides ''peace gud''
>Vtmb
In group drama isn't politics
>CoD
same as mgs3
>Deus ex
conspiracy theories aren't politics
>BGAE
no politics at all
>ff
no politics
>Mass effect
no politics
>Oddworld
More about corporations than politics

Next.

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it's impolite to talk about politics, colour, creed, etc.

Nope, I literally said not all blacks are niggers. And that not all blacks are dangerous to society. Only niggers are. Try again.

They never have. It's a lefty delusion that gamers hate politics because they hate identity politics (the only politics lefties care about), and this is a strawman designed to defeat a strawman. Lefties are completely divorced from reality.

Someday you will learn. You are just like niggers who blame whites for all their problems.

I'm stealing this lmaoo

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Just judging by the rate of replies it's pretty obvious this thread has been linked to several discords.

Those games just asked the questions and made you think for yourself about it. Now they try to force the same answer down your throat.

I agree they corporations are corrupt. As with the politicians.
Different corporations want to "one up" the competition.
And "Leftism" is just another corporate tactic, to get rid of corporate competitors.
neither side wins.

calling centrists "useless nobodies" is the very game they want you to play.
Neither side wins, and thats why centrists dont play the game, but continue to let them fight eachother, so they cant get any worse.

What is there to refute?
>Duhhh, past wolfensteins mad fun of presidents
They didn't.
Besides, burden of proof is on you, moron.

>traphouse culture is dominant "black culture"
That's class based, not ethnicity based. That's like saying white trash culture is "dominate white culture". Try again.

They can if you minimize it by not applying the issues directly.

As it turns out, coming to Yea Forums to spread your failed ideology because everywhere else either tells you to fuck off or proves you to be a massive retard isn't such a smart idea, retard.

>the game that is driven by a caricature of US government and culture has no politics
i dont even know if this post are memes anymore

>centrists dont play the game, but continue to let them fight eachother, so they cant get any worse.
Until they get rolled over. Fighting for nothing, believing in nothing, dying for nothing.

>please read my retarded communist propaganda that tries to rewrite history to suit my batshit insane cuckold world view
I'll pass.

>le appeal to nature
Oh no its retarded

Ironically, being called a nigger does. You're racist and you don't even admit it.

>DID THAT WOLFENSTEIN GAME JUST POST PUNCH NAZIS

WTF

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>le
Go back.

>culture is politics
No it isn't.

Next.

lmao if you think corporations are not steeped in politics as well

Why do you have a problem with gay flags being in a video game?

>le appeal to authority

Oh no it's braindead

>waaah waycism is bad
t. Champagne socialist

>There seems to be a constant need, and a backlash if this isn't accomplished, to have those political themes be as close to real life as possible or else it's considered clunky and bad and tasteless by the very people who crave political theme exploration in their games.

Those "people" dopn't actually want exploration of political themes, they literally only want to see the game reinforce their own personal politics and tell them they are right and everyone who disagrees with them is literally Hitler.

>>Duhhh, past wolfenstein
so you cant even read, nice
>Besides, burden of proof is on you, moron.
no dylsexia patient, you make the first claim. Are you even from a first world country?

Niggers can be white user.
Granted some people call them wiggers, but the meaning's the same.

>there is no dominant black culture

Can you explain the insane amount of gang violence and fatherlessness occurring nonstop in black communities? if this isnt cultural what else is it?

And you can say it started with whites and is their fault however this only supports my argument. They should go the way of the american korean and embrace "white american" values to help fix these issues, otherwise what is the alternative? Force them to value education and contraception? Civilize the savages? Why not just push for them to accept and embrace a less destructive way of life? There are millions of poor other ethnicities that dont engage in the shit the black community does and im curious why you think that is and what the solution is

>I'm not going to read even a wikipedia page but listen to my expert opinion
typical Yea Forums

>he assumes that centrists aren't capable of standing for nothing, believing in nothing, or having their own convictions
Just because you don't follow all of one sides points dogmatically doesn't make you some faithless idiot.

thug nonsense absolutely is the currently dominant black culture. it exists on a continuum and will be different in the future as it was in the past, and the dominant black culture of the future will be derivative of what it is now.

you will produce no plausible suggestions to the contrary. thug culture is the dominant black culture.

>Corporations control everything!!!
Back to /pol/ you go.

Next.

It's a sign of the times that any potentially political component used in a story or world (Which is just about everything) gets latched on to by faggots who themselves have to make everything a political statement.

People would even claim Doom is political and that it's pretty fucking obvious, with a clearly leftist agenda if it wasn't for John Carmack himself saying that the story in a video game doesn't fucking matter and it's just there to fill a space.

>it's fine to call someone nigger because I have now changed the meaning of the world but not really
Silver medal, go for the gold user i believe in you

>government and culture
atleast learn to read you inbreed
>inbefore peak omega brain pol response:
>"government is politics, no it isnt!

Imagine defending a people that make up 13% of a population but more than half of all violent crimes in a country of 330 fucking million people.

DON'T YOU KNOW CELESTE IS GOING TO START A CIVIL WAR

PEOPLE ON /POL/ AND Q user SAYING VIDEO GAMES ARE STARTING THE CIVIL WAR
DON'T YOU KNOW
#mAGA

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But poor white areas arent literal hell holes like poor black areas. Why do you think poor whites can listen to yung nog and not turn their cities into literal warzones, chicagos nickname is literally chiraq. Is the answer perhaps cultural?

war and economy politics are fun, social politics are not fun and they're for women

Politics != Propaganda. Why do you think Yea Forums loves Fallout New Vegas? It portrays all sides without bias and addresses all their arguments while letting the player choose his allegiance.

This, of course, falls in deaf ears, because you didn't make this thread to assert a sincere point. You only crave attention like the pathetic post-modern millenial you are. Soon, you'll make another wojak thread to incite anger in others and receive a dopamine rush from it, and no one will learn anything from this.

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>whites just want a place to call home
>Colonize the fuck out of large parts of the world
>Help these disgusting brownskins are near me I need a cop

Why are you assuming that niggers are black? Language evolves.

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I'll tag in for him: I say nigger because I can.

Buddy the only one operating on the idea that a nigger is explicitly any black person is you.

Why are people so afraid of politics in their video games?

>But poor white areas arent literal hell holes like poor black areas
Have you ever been outside?

This isnt a case of "No true scottsman"
Thats like putting a label on a box of ceral that says "xbox360" and when i say its a box of cereal, someone claims "Thats the no true scottsman fallacy!"

The only way for Fascism to ever work, is for a fascist group to pretend its the opposite of fascism.
Thats how these things work.

Now if you're to argue if antifa is an exaple of "not a true scottsman" you'd be a lot more correct, as antifa is actually 2 parts, just like "leftism" is two parts.
The political leaders, and the average every day follower.
The followers are an example of "not a true scottsman" because they actually are trying to be antifascists, while behaving in a manner thats fascist.
But the leaders are definitely trying to hide their actions as anti fascist intentionally.

>Niggers can be white

you clearly don't know what politics is if you said government and culture, anything could pass as politics according to you so arguing with you is useless.

Then why bring up culture when it has nothing to do with politics? American education at its best right here.

Next.

I am calling you a faithless idiot because you fail to see that one side

>this is who tells you to have sex

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well political violence is inevitable, for example the current status quo is the state and police hold the monopoly on the violence that is allowed and use it to reinforce the rules that they chose for themselves, which is itself a political act
if police protect the ruling class, so anyone with beliefs that reinforce the status quo (that being nazis) gets the pass on their eye
back to the main sauce tho, you've just given me a bunch of "you actually dont do what you say you do"s and thats valid i guess, but you dont know me
you dont know wether im an introspective individual or not and you're making a bunch of assumptions while i want to be able to converse in good faith, i trust you can do that as well, i wanna take your points seriously, i understand where you come from but you gotta try to see where my points might stand

Why is "big evil corp" in FF7 politics but in any other modern game it would be called "propaganda"?

>actually did say the government is not politics
i love pol

No matter how shit your life may be, just remember at least you aren't trying to be the sex you're not.

>Also pushing acceptance of trannies is harmful in my opinion
I fail to see how being accepting can be seen as harmful.
>the least a game can do it attempt to shed some light on both sides of this argument
The other "side" is a caveman-level fear of people who are different. You can't really show that side of an argument in a positive light. It's not comparable to the discussion of Objectivism in Bioshock, because like you said, there's an argument in favor of Objectivism. There's no argument in favor of racism, or transphobia. They're irrational fears.
>Perhaps a game that has something to say about trans people and accepting them could also include the possibility that conforming to the gender you were assigned can also be an alternative
Nobody believes that everybody should be transsexual, and there's no mainstream game pushing this view because it would be insane. The trans rights movement is about accepting that people should be comfortable whether they're cisgender or transgender. Games with trans characters usually have cis characters as well. So you already have what you want.
>and maybe bring up the idea that trannies are still depressed after hormones/reassignment
Perhaps that has something to do with the people that think accepting them is "harmful"? Plenty of games deal with the topic of depression as the result of abuse or ostracization.
>But right now this would be handled like this: "IM A BADASS TRANS CHARACTER"
That's not an attempted political statement, it's just a badass trans character. If you're making an arcade shooter or a racing game, you don't need to include political discussion. You can just have badass characters, who may or may not be trans, blasting stuff or racing each other.

oh well in that case i demand that turkey and the arab world be subject to mass immigration because of their past colonialism and conquest and slavery

And what side is that? Your inane side that will line me up and shoot me the moment I deviate a little bit from your agenda?

id fuck most of em

then go back there

>this shit again

people are fine with politics in games, not ham fisted propaganda that tries to make you feel like shit for not agreeing with it

White "men" lmao

No, it is not because they are black, you are projecting. It is the lack of a push for proper values in their communities. There objectively exist good black men who have jobs, contribute to society and father their children

We should literally have news bulletins instructing blacks day in and day out to value doing these things

Where as your point of view is most likely WELL UM THERE ISNT REALLY A BLACK CULTURE AND ITS PROBABLY JUST POLICE OVER TARGETTING THEM SO UHHH LESS POLICE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND UHHH DONT TELL THEM TO BE MORE LIKE WHITES CAUSE THATS MEAN

They looked fuckin rad

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pic aint a response to you but good talk buddy

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>anyone with beliefs that reinforce the status quo (that being nazis)
whaaaaaaaaaat

Because whites are the only group of people capable of personal responsibility

I don't, if the game is actually about gay people.

I heard an interesting thing as to the possibility of the rise of all these polygamous sort of lefties and such. The "degeneracy" being a rubber-banding over-compensating effect caused by not really having fulfilling relationships in teen and early adulthood (highschool and college) and thus as a way to compensate they just basically slut themselves out thinking that will net them more of this contact they want.
It's why they're so willing to have open relationships too, even if they're not receiving any benefit because to them the one real benefit is that they are at least being acknowledged by a human being of their sexual preference.

I was saying the problem was presentation of the ideas needing to necessarily be 100% drawn from real life and parallel real life to the detriment of the fictional world. You draw things from real life but you don't smack people on the face with it. Characters saying or acting in ways that don't gel with the rest of the world or even their character to get across the point that THIS IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT AND DIRECTLY RELATES TO SOME STUFF YOU READ ON TWITTER.
I'll give the example of that game about those androids rising up to try and not be property anymore (forgot the name but recent game). It's a parallel to civil rights movements and yet it got trashed by the media that would normally love that shit because it just wasn't enough like what actually happened in real life during the civil rights movements in the U.S. Because it wasn't exact.
Or lets look at movies (they often intersect) like Bright being raked across the coals because of its portrayal of racism/prejudices (using orcs as stand ins for blacks or latinos) simply because the world that was built in that movie didn't give exacting real-life reasons (In Bright there was a literal race war vs in real life where it's race-based slavery and such).

Why yes, I only play competitive online multiplayer games, instead of childish singleplayer games, how could you tell?

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>it's forced when it doesn't have a reason to be there
Yes, that is what you've been saying for the past hour. I'm asking you to explain why. Can you explain this one small thing to me? Is your brain still operational on some level?

You're using nigger with the same context, just trying to broaden who it applies to. How brain microwaved do you really have to be to not understand your own language?

>implying I go on /pol/
I win this debate.

Can everyone stop trying to debate me, i'm obviously right and its quite sad that you're even trying.

Why do white people have such a massive persecution complex nowadays? Seeing you autists keep reeing about SJWs even though they have almost no impact on anything whatsoever is really pathetic

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Retards will argue that anything is political so there's absolutely no point to these threads. You can twist absolutely any video game story to call it political.

Pro tip: what people hate nowadays is developers trying to brainwash their users into accepting homosexuality, queer stuff and race mixing as normal. Nothing else.

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Wow, faggots have existed since the dawn of man. But how does that justify putting them in a game that's not about gay people though?
You can't answer the question.

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We're beyond being able to start a true revolt, and overcome the super powers.

99% of all revolutions that suceeded, ro even came close, did so because someoen on the inside, with a lot of power, wanted to take over, and "oops, we forgot to lock the front gates" etc.

Dont be naive enough to think you can fund the war effort and get the supplies needed to overthrow the worlds strongest military.
The ones who CAN fund it, are corrupt.
The ones who dedicate their lives to making this work, and plan to take over as the leaders, are also corrupt.

In the RARE case they arent corrupt, they open the doors for some of the worst corruption possible.

There is no solution to get rid of corruption. Thats an idealistic view thats unfeasible.

your best bet is to keep the super powers struggling with eachother, so they cant get "more power" than what they have now.

stop ruining lives

>Next.
You're signature posting. Not that it matters since the thread is over bump limit and there's no mods around.

>gr*eks
>western

Colonization is the only reason india and china have any semblance of democracy in small amounts. Also everyone else wanted to colonize just as much, whites were simply the best at it

Just curious what your end game is here. Its fine if white people get completely displaced and their societies get turned into hellholes? Why not do the right thing and attempt to raise up the cultures and peoples we've colonized by encouraging them to learn from the white man?

>succesful attempts at communism include catalonia during the spanish civil war
catalonia was a shithole with "committees" acting as an authoritarian government and "worker patrols" acting as a military to enforce their rule. it was not the anarchist paradise that communists like to pretend it was.
>and thomas sankara's burkina faso
sankara was a dictator, and for every positive contribution he made (such as proactively recognizing the threat of hiv/aids) there were still the typical negatives that come with a dictatorship (such as human rights violations and restrictions on freedom of speech).

OK retarded bootlicker

Because you are chad

There are many countries on Earth where white people are allowed to live. More than ten, probably. Maybe even more!

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disregarding there being gays in gears, why would an in game character matter in relation to multiplayer banner meant to represent the human playing the game

I just like destroying weak brained /pol/ users.

On Yea Forums, you can. On Yea Forums you're breaking the no racism rule and deserve a ban. Ciao.

Again, I made a specific distinction between black people and niggers. You on the otherhand keep aggressively trying to assert they are interchangable.
I think the issue is, you're racist, you know racism is wrong, but you aren't actually willing to have any sort of personal growth and cope with it by projecting your racism onto other people.

General Japanese public tends not to be very political. Japanese political dealings are also not as open to the public as they are in America.

That being said a lot of modern web/light novel authors tend to be far-right Japanese nationalists.

Mexichad here, me and my dad play videogames together and don't worry about anything SJW cuck shit, he even plays modern shit like ASS creed and womb raider without a thought in his mind about some culture war bullshit other that it is fun
only incel white ""people"" think womyn are coming to take their games and they should have sex (not with a latina girl those are out of their league)

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I can see you arent interested in a conversation. Im actually open to have my mind changed if you could present a good counter argument but you only seem interested in memes. When someone asks you if cultures can be more conducive to well being than others and your only reply is a shitpost, i have to assume you agree but you cant come to terms with it

bioshock was about ancaps tho, you cant be socialist and be pro-capitalism, andrew ryan was your run of the mill "taxation is theft" bitch
also wars and corporations are politics in how they relate to the government and what they are allowed to make happen

the only politics in games I can tolerate is advocating lolicon rights

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My buddy got fired from his job for saying parents shouldnt give their kids hrt......

you both have shit taste

a place without nigs stomping your skull into a mess for fun though, well, those are becoming increasingly scarce

Because it has nothing to do with the game? I'm not gay, so why should I have to care about it?

Please share some statistics friend. Im sure rural alabama has shootouts just as often as southside chicago

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Hey stupid, you know it's literally part of military duty for the troops to turn on their commanders if they make orders to attack the states?

>past wolfenstein
See this .

>made first claim
Okay then, here's an ingame article with the state literally calling opposition fake news.
Imagine posting in a thread and rather than contribute anything, instead type a witty greentext and fuck all else.

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If you think video games are inherently political, you are a REALLY fucking retarded westerner.

>but but Deusx Ex is political

It boggles my brain that you think political themes makes a game inherently political. I mean, are you stupid? Alan Moore may be a wacky commie himself, and Watchmen may be drenched in political themes, but there is a reason why people feel differently about Watchmen. The biggest thing being that Alan Moore didn't forget to be a storyteller.

Pic related. A picture as dumb as your average western made game.

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Whatever you say nigger!

>china
>semblance of democracy
sure thing chang

it just didn't translate so readily to the discourse and vice versa.
Video games were made about broader overarching shit because development cycles were longer and the majority of people couldn't broadcast their opinion so easily.

I just watch my dad play, the only games I play with him is Street Fighter, Tekken, Samurai shodown and old Midway Arcade Classics

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Being a victim is trendy.

If it's about people it's about gay people. Gays aren't "subhuman" Salt-Right Kiddo.

Your buddy needs to learn to shut the fuck up

Oh yeah, reviewers are still idiots and can't understand anything less subtle than a brick. I think you're speaking of Detroit: Become Human?
That is an actual problem there yeah, the difference between politics in fiction being both believable in said universe while still being a commentary on IRL issues versus hackjob writers that can't write well or worse pander, tho similarly smooth brained fiction consumers.

You didn't, though. You're using the word in the intended context, just arbitrarily subtracting and adding massive swathes of people to try and make it seem like saying nigger doesn't make you racist. It's pretty stupid but it's in keeping with the theme of the thread.

tell your dad he has shit taste then

>talking about trannies at your walmart job
>get fired
>OMG WE NEED TO MAGA RIGHT NOW MAGA!!!
shut the fuck up and do your job peasent

Im not making an argument of that, so im not following.
I was talking about ppl vs the government.

dilate and seethe

pedophile rights.

>democracy
>oh hang on let me just eliminate my term limits real quick
who is this faggot nigger?

Are you illiterate, he never said China was a true democracy. They have the trappings of one like how in theory you can vote, but it's only for people the Party approves of.

yeah nazis want to reinforce hierarchy to its very end, and hierarchy is the status quo

How do you justify putting straight people in a game that's not about straight people?
You can't answer the question.

Wew, lad.

There's a difference between a story that explores political themes vs. one that trying to push an agenda.
Agenda pushing is involving the game in real world politics, such as shoving in Pride Flags in the game or revising real world history to insert minorities where they don't belong. That's a far cry from the story itself being built around a political themes, where the primary objective is to tell a story rather than preach propaganda at the player.

>no u
>lol sjws have no impact on anything
Not sure if ignorant or completely retarded

sneed.

I agree, SJWs are just saying "b-but games were always like this!" when there's clearly a difference that people don't like.

This is such a low IQ argument that I can't help but laugh

did you even read the thread?

>leftycuck calling anyone else weak brained
Wow what a scary intellectual heavyweight keyboard warrior you are
Lmao

What white culture? What white society? I think you mean WASPs? Fuck them, they had it coming.

Homosexual love isn't equal to heterosexual love. Statistics shows that they act like degenerates and do not even know how to be faithful. Unequal things shoudn't be treated like they are equal.

As a former leftists, it really makes me sick how you only care about worshiping disgusting and objectively wrong lifestyles at the expense of everyone else. Fucking piece of shit. I can see why Stalin had people like you murdered, or why homosexuality was banned in any functional communist nation.