Tomozaku Fukushima only wrote optional CODEC calls. Kojima created the story and did overall game design/level design, and wrote every actual line of dialogue you see in every cutscene and mandatory CODEC call for those games. Fukushima had influence sure, but I think people vastly overestimate it. Based on the quality of writing in Snake Tales, Ghost Babel, and Ac!d 1 I think the writing in MGS1-3 would have been much better than it is if Fukushima had a stronger voice in the script. Based on all the actual information we have it seems he had a much smaller role than people assume.
Hell, concept artist Yoji Shinkawa might have had more influence on the stories of MGS games than Fukushima. Shinkawa created the Deepthroat character, made Snake young in MGS1 instead of being in his mid-50s like Kojima originally planned, aged Meryl uo instead of having her be 14, and made Otacon thin instead of a fat nerd always eating chocolate.
People literally unironically would sit and waste literal hours listening to codec calls (not gameplay btw) and have the audacity to shit on death stranding (gameplay btw). death stranding is a metal gear title (btw), takes place while the boss is giving birth on normandy
Ayden Reed
>snake was supposed to be 50 and meryl 14 in mgs1 originally What the fuck is wrong with Kojima?
Camden Jones
Enough about Fukushima, let's talk about how he's automatically an asshole for helping Big Boss secure his evil schemes in MG1
Without this "literal who" the series went into the dumpster so obviously he did more than that
Ayden Flores
>Tomozaku Fukushima only wrote optional CODEC calls.
so it's his fault that Rose is a nagging bitch to the point I started to skip her drama?
Austin Gutierrez
>kojima flatly states That nigga lied
Hunter Hernandez
>implying that a nobody coincidentally leaving means he's responsible for kojima getting tired of having to keep making metal gears and phoning it in if someone got fired from the titanic staff the day before it departed, you'd blame them for it sinking, wouldn't you? of course you would...
Aaron Gomez
Jesus fuck, how delusional can MGSfags be
Just accepted that Kojima lost his touch after 2006 and didn't give a fuck about the game anymore
If the person fired was in charge of spotting icebergs, then they would probably be correct to do so
John Baker
the person who got fired was a chef
Eli Morgan
I think the validity of that comparison is what comprises most of this argument, and it really doesn't follow that a co-writer is as irrelevant to the writing as a chef is to iceberg avoidance.
Logan Phillips
one co-writer/programmer out of many is not nearly as relevant as the assblasted faggots on this board make it out to be
>aged Meryl uo instead of having her be 14 >and made Otacon thin instead of a fat nerd always eating chocolate Is this for real?
Kojima had no idea what he was doing then and apparently was surrounded by more talented and bright people to reign him in.
Ryan Rivera
I guess he had as he had written all of the dialogue and story, if he didn't there wouldn't even exist a Meryl and Otacon to fix
Carter Foster
MG1 is no longer canon. Peace Walker, Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain made sure of that.
Luis Kelly
All that dialogue and story was brought into a better context by Blaustein. He actually gave it a more grounded appeal and did some genuine real military research. I can't blame you if you like Kojima's quirky storytelling, that's what he's good at. Without Blaustein the game wouldn't have spawned the popularity it did though.
Aaron Gomez
Jesus if those original ideas Kojima had are true Shinkawa really saved the game
Jack Parker
This the translation is what made the game The other games feel stiffer and more literal in comparison
Ian Brown
He was watching Leon: The Professional too many times back then.
Dominic Rivera
You think that's bad? Lucas wanted Marion to be 11 when she first fucked Indy in Raiders of the lost Ark.
Logan Edwards
t. Jeremy Blaustein Blaustein is overrated. All he did was add a bunch of one-liners here and there. EOPs like you two, who have never even played the Japanese version of MGS1, just take his words at face value.
Whatever you say, mate. I guess I'm not a worthy believer of the church of Kojima.
Easton Bennett
Kojima is Japanese George Lucas, the more creative control he gets the worse shit is
Luke Moore
The only reason Blaustein's MGS1 translation turned out as good as it did was because he was kept on a leash, which angered Blaustein and why he's still salty to this day. Castlevania: SotN is what happens when he's given free reign to write what he wants
Logan Butler
Kojimbo didn't even know Based Blaustein touched up his shitty dialogue and sacked him immediately when he found out in jealous bugman rage
Jonathan Edwards
The difference between the two (Kojima and Fukushima) can be most easily seen in comparison of MGS1 itself and "In the Darkness of Shadow Moses", a retell of MGS1 written by Fukushima for MGS2.
Matthew Green
legal in Japan
Blake Rivera
You forget about "setting research and justification" part. It is by this way he could sneak up ideas higher up.
Samuel Kelly
Cuckshima fags seeeeeething
Carson Ramirez
All I know is at some point between 3 and 4, Fukushima left and there hasn’t been a good MGS game since. There really isn’t any other immediate explanation.
Bentley Torres
>writers can't lose their talent and ideas
Asher Hernandez
ITDOSM was actually written by Shuyo Murata. Ironically, Fukushima wrote the NYT review of it. If you want pure unfiltered Fukushima, look no further than Substance's Snake Tales and Ghost Babel.
Aaron Hall
Yeah, but MG2:SS was good, wasn't it? And that was way before Fukushima.
Hunter Robinson
I really wish we got “canon” remakes of MG1&2 before Kojima left. It would really complete the timeline and give Snake and Big Boss a proper 3D showdown.
Leo Kelly
>mid-50s Snake and 14-year-old Meryl Based Shinkawa saved us from that mess.
Brandon Johnson
>fuckton of pages to explain a 11 hours at best game Waste of data
Cameron Price
>ITDOSM was actually written by Shuyo Murata. The fuck I am reading? You have any concrete source to back that up?
Anyway, the person who wrote Shadow Moses is the actual driving force behind the series. Be it Fukushima or otherwise.
Eli Parker
I don't even know how Konami hasn't marketed this yet
Noah Perez
Nice history revisionism, Kojimadrone
Daniel Lewis
Kojima was the one who suggested for Mei-Ling to quote western authors for the English versions, so he was aware that there were differences between the scripts. >Yeah, about them... Allow me to apologize (laughs). [Mei-Ling's proverbs are] quite different in the overseas versions (laughs). In the Japanese version she gives you the proverb in Chinese, then proceeds to explain it in Japanese, but in English she'd be giving you the proverb in English, then when Snake asks her what it means, she'd be basically repeating the same thing in English. That wouldn't have worked so well, so we kept the ones we could keep, but changed the rest. Then the European versions are based on the English version, so they're changed as well. It was a little disappointing (laughs). Just one of those things (laughs). Sauce: metalgearsolid.net/features/metal-gear-solid-integral-interview
In recent interviews about Death Stranding, Kojima says he allows the actors and translators to rewrite the dialogue as long as don't stray too far from the original and not all MGS translations 1:1 match to the Japanese original.
Blaustien's story has a lots of holes when you check out other sides of the stories (and even previous interviews with him) and on top of that he's a huge hypocrite. He shouldn't be in a position of criticizing Kojima when he thinks "What is a man" is the peak of video game writing. He strikes as being salty over the fact that Kojima went with another translator for MGS2 and his calls were never returned.
Noah Lopez
Which you can read in like an hour to hour-and-a-half?
Cameron Cruz
Moreover, it's a tie-in to MGS2, and, moreover, its own story. It doesn't JUST retell MGS1.
Landon Anderson
PROMOTIONS
Ryan Diaz
The novel was *definitely* written by Shuyo Murata, the leaked script files tell as much. He didn't touch MGS2 at all otherwise.
I also love ITDOSM and the small retcons+previously unknown info (which was likely written in MGS1's script notes) were really welcome, and if they made a graphic novel out of that (all from Nastasha's perspective) instead of those hellspawns that are the MGS1/MGS2 DGN, the series could have had less blights. You can also spot several differences from MGS1's lines, precisely because it was translated from scratch without using Blaustein's script for reference. Not that Agness Kaku is a more competent translator/writer (hell no) but at least she didn't have any agenda against something that she thought was just some useless extra compared to the main game (especially if you take the salmon guy story in consideration, also written by Murata).
Wyatt Price
Script files? One instance of it getting mentioned - or several different ones? Translated versions or untranslated ones? Kaku could be the one to mix the writers up, you know.
>He didn't touch MGS2 at all otherwise. What about "The Shocking Conspiracy Behind Shadow Moses" commonly credited to him? Are you sure you don't have IDSM's and SCBSM's authors simply mixed up?
Anthony Foster
Although, you know what? This can very easily be verified. The writing style of IDSM and SCBSM either matches or it doesn't. I have other priorities than checking it out right now. I actually haven't even read SCBSM once yet, as well.
Juan Miller
>commonly credited to him Dude it's in the credits, of course it was him. That's not MGS2 though, it's IN MGS2, but it's not part of the story itself, nor it is voice acted in any way. >Translated versions or untranslated ones? Kaku could be the one to mix the writers up, you know. Untranslated, it's a doc file with the author's name in it, there are two of them. They are likely not the finalized revisions. Later versions omit the name and are named like "01-018E_shadow.doc"
The Japanese want extremely metaphorical/figurative storytelling that will benefit themselves. Americans want literal entertainment.
That's what MGSV was truly all about. Japanese vs. American storytelling. You can take the story two ways, and both would be correct (doublethink): >Japanese Big Boss despite everything is a nice guy and he wants to thank you for being with MGS for so long by giving you an avatar of yourself, posing as Big Boss so that you can write "your own Big Boss story" through merely unconsciously playing the game. >American Big Boss is a baddie bitch fucking cunt who brainwashed his most loyal soldier to die for him as a decoy all because he wanted to focus on his ever so increasing lust for war.
Either way, he still lusted for revenge.
Nathan Morris
Where can I get a hold of that file? I don't see it any of Kaku's HG101 files.
Michael Lewis
Shinkawa sounds like a cool du-
>aged Meryl uo instead of having her be 14 nevermind
Nathaniel Perry
This makes sense, oddly enough. Autism, but sensible autism.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
Bumping for interest.
Hudson Morris
>wrote every actual line of dialogue you see in every cutscene and mandatory CODEC call for those games hasn't it come out since then that the english translation of the ps2 mgs games was headed by someone who changed a bunch of shit? or was that just MGS2 specifically?
Jordan Barnes
She wanted to rewrite shit and she wasn't allowed. This is how she originally "translated" the first conversation between Snake and Otacon in the Tanker chapter.
Snake: "This is Snake. Do you read me, Otakon? Over." Otakon: "Loud and clear, Snake. Over." Snake: "Think I'd wait forever (the comment is directed to the player)? IÕm at the infiltration point (SP for 'sneak point'). Over." Otakon: "Everything going okay? Over." Snake: "The stealth camo's busted. Landing impact. Over." Otakon: "We did use the hell out of that thing. Sorry, but you're gonna have to deal. You're not in the military-industrial complex anymore, Dorothy." Snake: "Right. I don't plan on relying on this gadget either way. Over." Otakon: "Hey, the private sector's not so bad, though, huh? Privacy guaranteed..." Snake: "I'm happy as long as no one slips a Mickey Finn in the morning glass of OJ." Otakon: "You mean that thing with Naomi?" Snake: "And I can't say I miss the chattering nanny." Otakon: "Mei Lin's not so bad. That reminds me, I have to get in touch with her again about that new Natek flashware." Snake: "Diverting toys from the SSCEN (U.S. Army Soldier Systems Center) again? Give her a message from me: someone will find out, sooner or later. SheÕs better off assuming it's sooner and quit while she's safe." Otakon: "Too true. Okay, Snake, let's get to work. Over."
Jackson Peterson
how is MG1 not canon, you kill Venom in MG1 and then kill BB in MG2