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How do you get good at these fucking games, I find them so obtuse

Learn Archery with every team member asap. Standard Tank DPS Mage Healer team is super reliable.

Give everyone a bow.
Have at least one healer in the party.
Reserve buffs and magic for hard battles.
Rest whenever possible.

What's obtuse?
>Do the first few easy quests to get some XP
>Go to the skill masters in the first and second town
>Get expert rank in your essential skills
That's about it, you're now set.
Once everyone is at least expert archery you can just mow down most crowds like you're playing Doom.

Hey guise, I wonder what's over there?

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nani

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How samey are these games? M&M 6, 7 and 8 look like reskins of one another to me.

just play 6&7 and disregard the rest

M&M6 has human only characters
M&M7 has forced diversity characters
M&M8 has cultural enrichment characters

They're all samey as in they're all excellent.

based

They are very samey, and that's a good thing. Eact installment adds a bit more depths (like more skills, races, ranks and classes) and some QoL.
6 and 7 are the best, 8 is samey but the story and setting are not as good.

>Want to replay game
>Remember THAT part

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>MM6
>can only have white humans in your party
>non-monster enemies consist of Indian cutpurses and thieves, fanatics from the middle east that apparently have a hard on for goats, huge black brutes, offensive looking cannibals with the female ones looking like monkeys wearing wigs, a fat Asian dude and more.

So, now that the dust has settled, what was worse? Castle Darkmoor or Tomb of VARN?

Tomb of Varn without a guide was so fucking annoying holy shit

Here's your map bro
What's bad with Tomb of Varn? At least it's not a sea of faggots cursing you through walls

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>There isn't a marker on the map to point me where to go and tell me what to do
>wow this game is so obtuse
ZOOM ZOOM

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Sleep-inducing genies, fucking anubis cosplayers that'll break your armor or OHKO your knights if you ever thought "hey, why not give shrapmetal a break?". Also, I think you *have* to get all the keys and passwords to activate the lift to the control center. And if you don't know where they are, you're in for a very long session.

Varn is just a endgame slog.
Castle Darkmoor is a megadeath dungeon filled with instant death and dispells, autofucking you, on top of a lot of places where the beholders attack trough all walls.

That fucking music

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>Have a couple mages
>Enter castle Darkmoor
>Run through everything and aggro everything
>Turn around and spam Inferno
gg

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Is there even another game where you can be so fabulous

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I really preferred the paperdolls in MM6.

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What was he shooting at?

Pretty much everything past the council quest isn't particularly fun anymore and devolves into setting your group healing spell on quickcast, chopping away on two/three enemies, warping back and forth between the temple and dungeon to heal your "totally fucked in every way possible" status, recasting your buffs, etc. - rinse and repeat every two minutes.

can anyone remember the name of the dungeon that is shaped like a spider?

>10% finger of death

My PC at the time was a P133 with 16MB of RAM. Loading times were so bad that I remember doing all my homework while I waited for a new zone or a savegame.

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post kino MM music

>Ubisoft could've copied what was good about M&M games - party based gameplay, open-ended world, class promotions and creative endgame
>instead they just copied tile-based movement and everything else was shit
>return to the roots btw
FUCK YOUUUUU

wtf is their problem?

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>ubisoft
>doing anything right
I hope they sell that nigger ip, fuckers couldn't do anything right

>just play 6&7
nice try zoomzoom
3-5 are the best entries in the series

>My PC at the time was a P133 with 16MB of RAM.
you still have it? I still regret saying no to my parents when they asked if I wanted our old PCs and CRT monitors when they were clearing out their garage.

A bunch of hobos showed up randomly, demanding access to what is essentially the greatest state secret.
Said hobos are refuges from a place thats already been wiped of map at the least months ago.

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If you think M&M games are obtuse you must be some sort of retard.

6 has the best dungeons by a massive margin, 7 has more overworld content, and 8 was meant to be an expansion and you get OP dragons.

What is being chanted in the background? Also surprised no one posted New Sorpigal yet

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Also 6 is nonlinear while 7 isn't.

there was a 3d rpg around this time where you have to do a flip and grab an ax from the ceiling of a barn and there was a wizard turning into stone, can anyone help with the name?

they're high, obviously

Tile based wasn't the problem.
>Chars only equip weapon and armor, fuck other slots
>Dumb down every skill, consolitade everything by fusing everything together
>Remove tiers and ranks or everything
And the worse offender yet : make it "ubisoft M&M" with shitty ass chinese dudes and anime angels.

PICK ME! PICK ME!

M&M6 is really easy to play

U mad?

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They also made it linear when literally no other game in the series would prevent you from going anywhere you wanted (and getting rekt but that's another story).

Back in the day, games like these had like hundred page manuals that come with it explaining everything. Without that, alot of them become a guessing game when it comes to game mechanics since develops didn't want to waste limited resources on in game tutorials for every little thing.

i'm looking for more first person rpgs
i've already played the early mm games up to 6 and for future games i have uuw, kings field, mm7-8, battlespire

>castle with the liches

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mm6 had tooltips for everything ingame

nah, gave it away a million years ago. It was my last prebuilt PC. The CRT that I had at the time, a 14'' 1024x768 died in a thunderstorm.

Legend of Grimrock
bard's tale
Etrian Odyssey if you're a weeb lolicon

Wizardry is good party-based first-person dungeon crawling, if you haven't already played them.

>Wizardry
Nice try Satan

Glover

>Wizardry
Come on user, what did that other user ever do to you? Have you honestly tried playing Wizardry while drawing your own maps and not following a guide? You might as well just use your head to break down brick walls, at least it'd be faster.

Same