Although it is based in Feudal Japan, which is not a typical setting for such stories, I think that all the necessary ingredients are present. It's worth noting that while it's a fantasy story, the actual Japanese folklore only gets the slimmest representation in the form of ghosts. For Sekiro, Miyazaki has created a unique mythology that blend together Lovecraft and Feudal Japan.
Lovecraftian stories are characterised by remote, backwater locations where fucked up things have been going on for generations due to their isolation. Locations don't get more remote than Ashina.
They're characterised by degeneration and mutation of humans due to their exposure to something humans were not meant to be exposed to. This is exactly what happened to all those poor men turning into degenerate zombies, slug-like nobles and fishes with human teeth. I think the game even used this exact line - the Sakura Dragon was never meant for Japan. They say he came from the West, but what does that really entail? It could mean China. It could as well mean another planet or a parallel dimension, for all we know.
Speaking of whom, these stories are also characterised by incomprehensible, cosmic beings of awesome power that affect human life in drastic ways simply by the fact of their existence, often without any intention or even knowledge of the humans they're affecting. A perfect description of the Sakura Dragon.
By far the most Lovecraftian location in the game is the Mibu village - it strongly resembles not only Innsmouth, but also the Fishing Village from his previous game, which is based on Innsmouth much more blatantly. I think there are even a couple of assets reused between the two, and both are based around fishing for slugs.
Has lovecraftian elements, like all modern Miyazaki lead FROM games, not a lovecraft game though at its core. The closest to a fully lovecraftian game they've made is bloodborne.
Andrew Ramirez
Needs more eyes. And less slugs.
Noah Cruz
Are you fucking schizophrenic?
Juan Russell
What are the lovecraftian elements of Dark Souls? >The closest to a fully lovecraftian game they've made is bloodborne. Bloodborne is too obvious about its inspiration, Sekiro is much more subtle and it takes the ideas without the aesthetics.
I've been saying since before launch that Sekiro is set in the same universe as Bloodborne. Everything parallels everything. >Sakura dragon: Great one >Dragon blood: beast blood >Ashina: Yahnam >Cloud people: pthumetians >Dragon rot: scourge of the beast/Ashen blood I'm probably forgetting some things but these are the major points
Eli Ross
why is the dragon fighting with a holographic cactus?
Lucas Edwards
There's also a direct easter egg, the basket dude tells you that there lives a hunter in the Mibu village who hunts beasts for a living and uses fire to scare them.
Joseph Perez
Your idea of what constitutes a Lovecraftian story is surface level at best. I feel like this is bait.
Nolan Peterson
No, zoomer. Nobody likes your forced meme. Don't push that shit.
Wyatt Flores
I think it's more of a kafkaesque lynchian experience
Just to get one thing straight, people claim this an dthis to be truly Lovecraftian, which are more often than not subjective rules and preferences. It's as simple as with inspiration from any other source. There is a number of elements that Lovecraft used in his writing and there are no rules on how many or few have to be present to constitute anything. As for Sekiro? Hadn't really thought about it, there are some of the elements, enough to call it really Lovecraftian? Maybe not. Enough to call it somewhat Lovecraftian, top of my head going to say probably. Despite what many might say, Bloodborne has a lot of the Lovecraft elements, enough that you instantly think about it if you are familiar with his writing. There's no ruleset for definition, it's all subjective and if anything there are degrees.
Xavier Myers
*Hits pipe* The true intellectual actualizes the quintessence of Lovecraftian influence whence thyne he named his cat nigger lol
Brandon Hernandez
This is actually wrong, the cat was named Niggerman and he inherited it from his dad
Thomas Perry
you retarded motherfucker not everything with the same concept is suddenly lovecraftian.
>fat >balding >neckbeard >angry >oversized clothes Is that the Japanese depiction of a weeb?
Adrian Turner
i hope you wet the bed tonight
John Morris
aldritch's dream about the age of the deep
Nathan Rogers
nioh is more lovecraftian
Brody Nelson
I always figured the coming deep was a great deluge meant to contain the corruption of the abyss taking place in Lothric. You know, water serving as a bulwark and all that.
Samuel Morales
i felt bad backstabbing those girls
Alexander Powell
anyone who thinks that the fishing hamlet was muh inssmouth is a fucking retarded surface level depth tier autistic toddler who never even read the fucking story and just heard about le spooky CRAAB PEOPLE. The part of bloodborne that is heavily similar to inssmouth is fucking central yharnam with the obviously beast transformed townspeople screeching at you to fuck off while trying to get you
Caleb Robinson
You posted your own photo?
Wyatt Williams
To be honest, Crash Team Racing is the most Lovecraftian.
Aiden King
>dark souls 3
Lincoln Richardson
To be honest, having sex is the most Lovecraftian
Austin Diaz
@477754697 It's not a photo, is it?
Nolan Turner
>bloodborne invented hunters, beasts, and animals being afraid of fire fucking lol
Lincoln Powell
Central Yharnam is a rich and sprawling big city, while Innsmouth is a tiny and half-ruined fishing town.
Easton Rogers
Couldn't take this boss seriously because his sword looks like a plastic cartoon cactus.
Jacob Martin
You're just an autismal contrarian, it's obviously an easter egg about his previous game.
John Long
Why are all the "blades" rounded smooth?
Caleb Wood
You seethed so hard that you learned proper spelling?
Angel James
innsmouth is a fucking industrial town and it practically looks like a slice of any big city, central yharnam is transilvania crossed with innsmouth. The fishing hamlet has nothing to do with innsmouth beyond the water theme which is a skin deep association. Its much more like a cosmic chernobyl and probably the furthest from the concept of "willing" transformation that was central to the innsmouth story and completely defines yharnam with the obsessive use of alien blood
Henry Baker
Try reading the fucking link
Josiah James
yeah that an interesting way to look at it
but you have to also remember that aldritch= eldritch
Zachary Ramirez
Smooth blades for smooth brains.
Carter Lee
prove it
Angel Richardson
@477755446 Sentences in english require auxiliary verbs bitch Learn that
Adam Hill
>innsmouth is a fucking industrial town and it practically looks like a slice of any big city Yep, talking out of your arse.
Christopher Flores
This post makes no sense, leave and come back when your seizure is over.
Ryan Thomas
shit i meant questions oh well
Jack Jenkins
Nah, tonally it doesn't really fit but Miyazaki is a HUGE Lovecraft fan so there's definitely some level of influence. I think he probably blew his H.P. Load with Bloodborne, though people loved Bloodborne so the team might have incorporated some atmospheric and thematic elements during planning. Interesting post, OP. Too bad it's on the brainlet board.
Robert Jenkins
>actual Japanese folklore only gets the slimmest representation in the form of ghosts
Confirmed for not knowing shit about Japanese folklore. The game is literally a giant reference to every wierd folktale or mythical creature that Japan ever made up. You can't name somthing that isn't some ancient Japanese meme in this game.
Herp da derp
Julian Morris
>mfw a headless pulls out a magical ball from your anus yup, that's japanese folklore alright
Lincoln Morgan
Pretty much everything you're interpreting as Lovecraftian is actually just eastern folklore.
Samuel Flores
>implying its not
I don't know much about Japanese folklore but every folk story I have ever read from Japan is represented in this game.
Evan Phillips
>not knowing that the headless are Sekiros Kappas
How fucking unweeby are you?
Gabriel Allen
im not implying it isn't i'm saying that's an actual thing
no, it's actually goku who went beyond super-sayan
Lucas Turner
It's Sekiro's Moonlight Greatsword.
Justin Lee
... Feudal Japan never fails to impress when it comes to acid trip tier fables. Fins and ruskies give them a run for thier money but Japan always has somthing...more Japan. Ya that is how I will phase it. More japan.
>Fins and ruskies give them a run for thier money Please explain how, because I'm not seeing it. t. Russian
Gavin Long
I feel like russia had a lot of children getting taken to the woods to be eaten in gruesome detail stories with a little extra flavor. Or is that German shit? I'm starting to doubt myself now that I am thinking about it.
Aiden Evans
It's Russia, but also Germany, France, or any other country that has or used to have large forests. The need to keep the kids away from the woods is universal. Japan as well, actually. The most gruesome fairy tale for kids that I know of is Japanese. It's about a tanuki who skinned a girl alive and wore her skin to trick her grandmother.
Cooper Hughes
I wish the Emma boss fight was its own thing instead of playing the same role as Genichiro in the last boss fight for immortal severance.
Boss fights with several completely different bosses just suck. It sucked back when it was Ludwig as well, but people didn't notice because of the awesome music.
Kayden Carter
>you get to kill eldritch abominations No.
Thomas Ward
yeah, native Americans have all kinds of spoopy innawoods stories to scare kids as well - skinwalkers, wendigo, forest cannibals, witches (also skinwalkers), etc
Cooper Ramirez
>the sinking city what about it?
Jaxon Reed
Ludwig was fine. It only shit the bed in DS3 when multiple healthbars started appearing and we got shit like Sister Friede
Cameron Martin
What is Dunwich Horror?
Hudson Gonzalez
Friede is the same boss fight throughout that only gets more moves, the second phase is so easy that it can be disregarded
Bentley Nguyen
The only God Tier being in Sekiro is the dragon and you don't kill it
Nathan Baker
To be fair, it's some pretty fucking epic music. I wish they'd just done two separate health bars so it doesn't feel like such a grind beating down his health, especially in first phase when he's shrieking and charging constantly.
David Myers
Charge is always shit in all From games, it's almost as bad as dogs
Brandon Bell
He doesn't kill it, but it's certainly implied that Wolf could have if he wanted to. Also, you kill the giant snakes, which are living gods in their own right. But not in the Lovecraftian way, such that killing them would sort of seem "ungodly".
Logan Lewis
there's also the snage
Matthew Campbell
I do think that some remnants of Bloodborne seeped their way into Sekiro.
Hudson Barnes
Dunwich Horror and At the Mountains of Madness would like a word.
Juan Torres
It's too Japanese to be Lovecraftian.
Carson Russell
Killing an abomination with a spell is different from stabbing it to death even if the sword is magical
Joshua Ramirez
Absolutely, excellent points. But keep in mind that a lot of those themes are present in Berserk, one on miyazaki's biggest aesthetic influences. He might not have been directly influenced by the stories written by lovecraft.
Levi Rogers
>He doesn't kill it, but it's certainly implied that Wolf could have if he wanted to Dragon is the avatar of immortality, it can't be killed by anything
Logan Perry
>Ask about the villagers prompt: [What is wrong with the villagers?] ...Hmm, no idea. All I know is, they all fear fire. For a while, I too was in the same daze. And I felt the fear too. An unquenchable fire... Even now, the thought of it gives me chills! [An unquenchable fire...] The hunter Inuhiko started burning pine resin and locked himself in his house. His pine resin burns for a long time... It's a real nuisance. Inukio is the village outcast. He likes eating wild animal meat and the sort... That's why the head priest doesn't give him any sake. [Where is Inuhiko's house?] Oh, on the other side of the pond. Inuhiko's is the last house on the path. That's not even remotely a Bloodborne reference.
Joshua Taylor
I don't know, the fact that the Mortal Blade was able to cut the dragon's flesh could indicate that it could do more damage. But you're right, the dragon's immortality is on a different level compared to the undying and infested "immortals" that the Mortal Blade can slay.
Nolan Jones
>he likes eating wild animal meat >and the sort We found Yamamura's brother guys
Planted on the castle grounds to become the Everblossom.
Nolan Long
Shit, you got anything to back that up? It would make lots of sense.
Charles James
no
Lucas Bailey
I feel like you're stretching.
Also your dismissal of Bloodborne because it's too on-the-nose is kind of retarded. Lovecraft's stories aren't subtle. In visual media, a part of is IS about aesthetics.
That said, I do enjoy Sekiro's design and the idea that it could take place in the same universe as BB. Not eveerything needs a lovecraft stamp. its doesn't need to be a badge of honor. From created it's own aesthetic and in my opinion, thats even better.
This reminds me of when Destiny players tried to claim their game was an MMO like it's something that needs to be established as a point of merit (its not)
Liam Gray
>grabs you from across the map.
Mason Barnes
just jump behind her
Landon Hernandez
Weird fiction Not everything is lovecraftian. There are numerous other prominent weird fiction authors pre lovecraft. Ffs
Nathaniel Sanders
You say obvious as if it's not intentional but the entire game is clearly inspired by classic horror literature. The Lovecraft inspiration is there but the game is far more than just Lovecraft