When did you stop being a contrarian and realize it was the best JRPG ever made and will likely remain so forever?

Nintendo has never made a JRPG, though.

Paper Mario? even if it wasn't made by them it was someone under their wing i guess.

not even the best in it's own franchise

>When did you stop being a contrarian and realize it was the best JRPG ever made and will likely remain so forever?
You know that's the contrarian opinion, right?

>Nintendo has never made a JRPG
>mother series
>paper Mario
>TTYD
>Mario and Luigi series
>Xenoblade series

Considering none of these were developed by Nintendo, I'm not sure what point your trying to make.

Xillia 2 and Vesperia are great. But yeah, the 2D ones are on another level. Fucking japs.
Bought Black Friday 2017 out of curiosity and because I heard it was the Persona game that most closely resembled SMT. I wanted more SMT but didn't feel like emulating so I got this instead for 30 bucks. A steal. I believed the meme that Purseowners were just for incel weebs and thought 3 and 4 were ugly as sin, but 5 blew me away with the presentation and music. Atlus is the best JRPG company on the planet rn if you ask me, and the only game I like more than P5 is Strange Journey; that's how much I enjoyed this.

Likewise.
I think it's also because I played P4 first, then 3 and then 5, and each time it just gets a little more boring because I've done it before.

>30$ on psn
is it worth it? should I wait a coulpe of months for royal?

I'm sad that most people won't agree with me that FFXIII-2 is the best JRPG ever made.

couldn't even sit through the whole thing, and JRPG is my favorite genre. it's the best that nu persona has to offer, but after 3 and 4 it's just more of the same shit without doing much to push the envelope.

It's not even the best Persona game.

13-2 is decent but the fact that the battle system focuses 99% on the 2 humans with the monster ally generally being shit really keeps me from considering it top tier. also don't like how the game expects you to plan out your characters' stat growth for the entire game from the very start or else end up lacking several thousand HP on your HP cap by the time you fill out the grids. it's a solid game, but best ever?

Love 3, love 4 a little bit less, and I couldn't even finish 5. The script was just too shitty - no Persona magic at all.

It definitely has the best OST ever.

Persona 5 was really fun and awesome

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Dude I only watched a bit of that video but most of his points were specifically wrong. He went on a rant about how you could use melee attacks the whole game, which makes it pretty clear that he played on easy or normal maybe at best

It was until Fire Emblem Three Houses came out.

you talking about golden sun?

Hard cope.

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Just wait. It looks like Royal might retcon the original true ending into another bad ending so you might at well do the 80+ hour game completely fresh.

If somebody would had told me that this was just a glorified Pokemon game, I would have never bought it.

is it bad that I played through 2, 3 and 4 to completion, but stopped halfway through 5? it just failed to grip me like the previous 3 did.

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this is the most desperate webm ever made lmao

No, I stopped a quarter of the way through FES and finished 4 and 5 to completion 3 times each.

No, for anyone that isn’t dazzled by its style, P5 is a bland chore

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together did the same thing.

no, but it's bad that you played 2, 3, and 4 to completion but never even gave the best game in the franchise a shot.

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Did YOU even play the game? Melee attacks don't just mean mash X, there are melee skills that cost HP to use, and he went over how the game heavily favors those, by having very few enemies resist melee, making it a safe option almost always, plus it deals more damage than magic.

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>Persona 5: Style Over Substance

I did give it a shot. I truly enjoyed the first dungeon, and the story arc with the coach and runner kid, but then it just fell off after that.

Just wait, Royal is just going to be the same game plus an extra dungeon and some more cutscenes.

>Melee attacks don't just mean mash X, there are melee skills that cost HP to use, and he went over how the game heavily favors those, by having very few enemies resist melee, making it a safe option almost always, plus it deals more damage than magic.
But this is completely right. Why are people saying he's wrong?

>safe = better
it costs hp to use them, you won't get extra turns by using them, and not every party member has access to the particularly good ones.

It was pretty good, but there's definitely better, even for entry-level stuff.
Just play Xenoblade. They're remaking it for Switch soon, it's on the Wii U eshop, you can emulate it for Wii, somehow find an actual physical copy, or get it for New 3DS. There is literally no excuse not to.

VIII, X, XIII-2 and WoFF have god tier OST. I mean, in FF series.

>it costs hp to use them
Never an issue since they only cost upwards of roughly 22% of your HP at most, the game throws very big single and party-wide healing items at you like candy, and you have a dedicated healer and crit machine in the form of Morgana
>you won't get extra turns by using them
You can with critical hits, but extra turns only matter at all in random encounters anyways. Plus if you down an enemy with their weakness, magic is not what you're going to want to use if you're aiming to kill, you'll want to baton pass to Yusuke and let him eviscerate the enemy with his skills that scale with baton passes.
>and not every party member has access to the particularly good ones
That's why Cvit said the best team is Ryuji, Yusuke, and Morgana, because they all get the very best ones.

>realize it was the best JRPG ever made
Only if the only jrpgs you ever played are Persona

Another reason why melee is better is that HP is a better resource to spend than SP. HP is extremely easy to restore meanwhile SP restoration is rather scarce. Even if you haven't bought many items for whatever reason, its much better to destroy random encounters by spending half of your HP and then after the battle recover most of it with a single cast of Mediarama or all of it with Mediarahan, instead of blowing through your SP in the battle and still having to spend more SP to heal afterwards (again, assuming you don't have many items for whatever reason.)

>SP restoration is rather scarce.
Not with rank 10 Death.

Rank 10 doesn't give you any SP restoration, it gives revival items.

I'm a Nintendo fan, so of course, my fav Persona game is (Etrian Odyssey) Q
Q2 is shit, though.

Whichever rank gives you SP Adhesive 3, then.

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>Implying i live in another universe
user, in my timeline, Atlus makes better JRPGs. Some of them are called Etrian Odyssey, and
>They have a godtier OST composed by the absolutely based Yuzo Koshiro
>A great gameplay with interesting skill trees and constant progression through skill point that makes the player constantly want to try new things as possibilities get bigger
>Generally high difficulty to encourage the player to optimize and be strategic in turn economy
>Absolutely kino labyrinths
>Less focus on secondary elements like the story while still having a decent one

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Persona 3 is miles better than p5, and Ff7 is the best jrpg ever made

SP adhesive 3 is always available I believe. But it's ludicrously expensive until you get the rank 7 discount.
SP adhesive really helps early on with it's 7 SP recovery per turn, but slowly stops doing as much when spells stop costing 4-8 SP and start costing 12-22 SP or even 48-54 for the severe damage ones. At that point the adhesive is barely doing anything, and you're better off equipping other accessories whether it be to cover a party member's weakness or just boosting someone's stats. On that note, another way that the game favors melee is that it has better strength boosting accessories than magic ones. The best strength one gives +10, meanwhile the best magic one gives +5.

>Melee attacks don't just mean mash X, there are melee skills that cost HP to use
Those are physical attacks first off, and if you go through the game on hard just throwing out physical damage a bunch you won't even get far in Kamoshida's palace unless you take a week. Which is why I called him a shitter for doing it on easy

Etrian bro, have you tried their hardest 1st person RPG, The Dark Spire?

>SP adhesive 3 is always available I believe.
It's not until rank 5 or so
>SP adhesive really helps early on with it's 7 SP recovery per turn, but slowly stops doing as much when spells stop costing 4-8 SP and start costing 12-22 SP or even 48-54 for the severe damage ones.
I disagree because you're rarely gonna be spamming those big cost spells and having a constant regen of SP is still pretty much the best

That's because you don't have access to good physical skills yet in Kamoshida's palace. Once you get access to better shit, physical just becomes a better option.

If you're using magic for damage, you're going to be spamming those big spells constantly, and you're going to be using those multi-target spells constantly too when testing enemy weaknesses if you're trying to down them.

Having a constant SP regen helps a lot at first, but it slowly dwindles as the game progresses, and nearing the end it's only giving you like 2-3 extra casts before you run dry on SP.

Not yet, dear user. Guess now is a good time to start it, though.

>That's because you don't have access to good physical skills yet in Kamoshida's palace. Once you get access to better shit, physical just becomes a better option.
I mean maybe if you start horribly overleveling shit, but if you're playing on hard then that simply won't be the case. HEck this isn't even counting mobs who reflect physical
>If you're using magic for damage, you're going to be spamming those big spells constantly
Most people use spells to knock down, or to check for weaknesses. I've never seen anyone who primarily focuses on spells for damage.
>Having a constant SP regen helps a lot at first, but it slowly dwindles as the game progresses
I disagree with that, sp recovery is always important. Maybe not on bosses so much because you can go in at full SP, but it's useful. And it's not just 2-3 casts, unless we're talking about just one boss fight. The SP adhesives are useful for full palaces, where you get many more spells than 2-3, even in the last Mementos area.

>I mean maybe if you start horribly overleveling shit, but if you're playing on hard then that simply won't be the case. HEck this isn't even counting mobs who reflect physical
Its not about over leveling, I'm speaking from my experience playing on hard, where I found myself being better off in several instances in random encounters by having Yusuke use his AoEs to kill shit for me so I could save on SP, and I was underleveled the entire game judging by the network feature that shows the average player level at that point in time, I was nearly 10 levels behind by the very end.
Also only 3 shadows in the entire game reflect physical.
>Most people use spells to knock down, or to check for weaknesses. I've never seen anyone who primarily focuses on spells for damage.
Thats because magic is worse than physical. Sure, everyone uses it for weaknesses, but in boss battles those are irrelevant and physical is where it's at.
>I disagree with that, sp recovery is always important. Maybe not on bosses so much because you can go in at full SP, but it's useful. And it's not just 2-3 casts, unless we're talking about just one boss fight. The SP adhesives are useful for full palaces, where you get many more spells than 2-3, even in the last Mementos area.
Yes, it helped, but in the late game I found myself having to start either turtling behind Yusuke again or using my elemental items to knock down the enemies and end the fight by simply taking their cash or an item so the battle ends because the cost of skills were too great for the adhesive to fully compensate for.

DAAAAAD AAAAAAHHH NOTICE ME DAAAAAAAAAD

>Nintendo already made the best JRPG ever then they destroyed it.
>best

You mean the only JRPG you've ever played. lmao.

>Its not about over leveling, I'm speaking from my experience playing on hard, where I found myself being better off in several instances in random encounters by having Yusuke use his AoEs to kill shit for me
Yeah speaking as someone who just replayed the game on hard, there's no way that Yusuke was destroying groups that easily. Heck, I was doing exactly what you said here and got completely different results. Considering that every LP I've ever seen is along the same lines, I don't really believe you here at all.
>Thats because magic is worse than physical.
It just doesn't hit as hard, it's good for exploiting weaknesses. And bosses have no weaknesses. This isn't even difficult to understand.
>Yes, it helped, but in the late game I found myself having to start either turtling behind Yusuke again or using my elemental items to knock down the enemies
See I had an SP adhesive on Joker and some proper Personas, so I just knocked everything down using magic and baton passing.

I played Persona and Pokemon and those weren't better. Final Fantasy has the same generic shit combat that plagues other JRPGs. there isn't anything that has topped the satisfiying and fun combat of Paper Mario TTYD.

>the dark spire
lmao i enjoyed the dark spire but it isn't that hard its like a 7/10 hard

It was a great modern take on Tokimeki Memorial

Do it.
It was hard for me. :(
I mean, people scream how (for example) Hoshigami and Resonance of Fate are hard, but those 2 were piss easy for me.
I guess I was, and still am, annoyed by all those item chest traps.

that's fair user. though if you want to be fucked raw play wizardry 1-5. even phones have knockoff ports of the games

>even phones have knockoff ports of the games
So... Wandriod?

yeah. they are the same maps as far as i saw

Its not like he was one-shotting everything, I mean that I would literally defend with everyone, and have Yusuke slam with his AoEs 2-3 times, then finish up with everyone doing physical attacks because I was having to really conserve my SP in order to get through the palace.
Situations like this happened to me in Madarame and Kaneshiro's palaces, and Mementos depths.
>It just doesn't hit as hard, it's good for exploiting weaknesses. And bosses have no weaknesses. This isn't even difficult to understand.
The fact that it doesn't hit as hard is what makes it worse than physical! It shouldn't be difficult to understand! Another advantage that physcial has is the fact that magic can't crit, which further limits the numbers you'll get from spells, and this is an RPG, numbers are what matter here, to directly quote Cvit "this is a numbers game, at the end of the day, the most important thing is making your opponent's health bar zero."
>See I had an SP adhesive on Joker and some proper Personas, so I just knocked everything down using magic and baton passing.
I only bought one adhesive, and put it on Joker since he had coverage on every element, so in most random encounters he was the only one spending SP. Still everyone would be pretty worn down after every mini-boss, which is why I had to resort to turtling every now and then, typically nearing the end of a palace. By the end of the game, I still didn't bother with putting an SP adhesive on anyone other than Joker, and opted to instead try to cover weaknesses and give Yusuke St+10 (my team was Ann, Yusuke, and Morgana) because the SP adhesive was just not doing nearly as much for me as it did early on, and in boss fights it was only giving Joker like 3 extra casts of party-wide kaja skills.

Huh. Ok, thank you, user. I might try this.

no map function and its wire frame so it can be painful on the eyes for a long session

Damn, now this is a smell no one should imagine

thats basically how politics operate in Western Europe and North America and why China is winning

wat

It's the worst Persona game...

I platinumed this game and it has a far weaker story than P3 and P4, not that they were perfect. Outside of weird pacing issues in the second half, like making Haru's introduction play second fiddle to Morgana's personal crisis; the game's villians after the first one all feel like increasingly unrealistic cartoon villains that have to one-up eachother in how "rotten" they are. Doesn't exactly make for a compelling plot, don't even get me started on the ending.

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Why do brainlets keep repeating this when the game spends multiple sequences near the end showing the Phantom Thieves realizing that this way of thinking wasn't right?

Miitomo?