Tfw V3 killed the series

Good, it had to end at some point and I feel V3 did a pretty good job while still leaving the ending up for interpretation

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1 and 2 are discounted and I want to get into the series. Are they good games? Should I play on PS4 or Vita, what is the comfiest?

I'm glad.
Better to end on a high than fucking a dead corpse.

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>NOOOO, MY FICTIONAL STORY IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED FICTION IN ANOTHER FICTIONAL UNIVERSE!!!

and thats why its the best game in the series

>tfw it should've been V2
this twisted game needs to be reset

Hey it pissed off Star Ocean fags too.

I've had enough main line games anyway, the only thing I'd be exited for is more jank spin offs like UDGs

i prefer a franchise dead instead of getting sterile sequels that the devs are forced to make just so shareholders could make quick buck

I'll never understand why people sperg out at V3's ending and yet are totally fine with 1's and 2's endings considering those two are considerably worse.

All according to keikaku.

>best ending
>worst trials
>meh cast
2>1>3

>worst trials
>when 1 exists
nah

Unhand Nanako, despair.

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Both are fucking ass, but the pain of one had subsided. Either leave it at one bad ending or make a good one.

The first one sounds like most DR characters if you want to be uncharitable, honestly.

they probably forgot how shit those endings were
same way they forgot how pure shit DR1 was

>worst trials
It had a good blend between absurd trials like DR2 and grounded trials that you can solve yourself like DR1. Honestly the only predictable one was SEESAW man.

I don't get it either. V3's ending actually had foreshadowing and build-up. DR1 and DR2's endings were just massive info dumps that were at best somewhat hinted at if you're literally clairvoyant.

>literally

V3's ending was good as hell if you're not a fucking brainlet. It has a great message.
Meanwhile, 1's ending was so fucking trash it put me off playing the rest of the series for several years. I can't remember the last time I had been that mad at the ending of any piece of media.

Only actually hard to predict ones were Case 1 and 2, you mentioned 3 already, in Case 4 while the murderer is a trouble to figure out the game spends and hour telling the murder method you can figure out in the first five minutes and Case 5 was just laughably easy.

What's it like, living in backwards land?

V3 > 1 > 2 (>>>>>> 3, but that goes without saying)

is ultra despair girls worth it?

this, 2 is overrated as fuck
>b-but muh hopeman

brainlets are actually invested in the garbage world of DR instead of the actually good parts

Kino ending. More than made up for DR3.

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>literally 53 games
>people still want it to continue

>stlli no rape murder

>In-game anons got to experience 53 awesome games
>We only get three

Punchable face.

>V3 was the best in the series with the best characters

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But the british cat is right

>People not realising how V3's ending is not only true, but also wholesome

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UDG2 when

The Kaede twist would have been better if they saved it for partway through the game instead of immediately blowing their load

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They'll probably reboot it desu

V3 is a great game and looking at virtually every other video game series, it's actually kind of an incredible ending. Most series either get endless sequels and closure is rare and only temporary, or they die on a sequel hook that never delivers.

Dont worry guys here's your new danganronpa

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Thank you reddit.

The worst part is, V3 simutaneously showed why Danganronpa should and shouldn't be continued.
The characters, how they clashed in trials, the actual improved gameplay and the music was great. But the writers were too stuck up their own assholes to get away from reusing the same tropes in each chapter for the third goddamn time, and the fact that V3 managed to get so far before bringing in the whole hope/despair shit really makes me think they shouldn't have had all that at all.

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Your habit of putting down danganronpa while needing its threads to shill your game is quite amusing

Are you talking about in real life or within the context of the game?

Or both?

If we ever get another DR, it'll be written by someone else.

Why did this make people mad anyway? Isn't it basically the same twist that they've been doing since the first game?

>the school isn't a prison
>the game is a game

thanks i try my best

>his first scene is walking into the conference room and then stepping onto the table to talk to someone
>it just gets crazier from there

He was unironically the best part of the anime.

How was Kokichi a rehash? People unfairly compare him to Byakuya and Nagito, but he wasn't a snob, nor was he crazy. Aside from Shuichi, he came closest out of all the characters to ending the game.

>MUH ENDING
Why do people pretend like this was what made V3 bad? All DR endings are whack in one way or another. V3's was probably the best. What made the game overall the worst mainline is everything but the ending. The whole game is a mess of good ideas and shit execution.

Yes, but it leaves a lot of unanswered questions that will remain unanswered.

>V3 managed to get so far before bringing in the whole hope/despair shit really makes me think they shouldn't have had all that at all
Yeah, I also initially thought they weren't going to bring it up at all. The series was always the strongest when coming to its core stuff like character drama, investigations or trials and the latter's great presentation, but the overarching lore was just silly. It didn't bother me in the mainline games but I disliked the all the gaiden shit that just kept faffing about the end of the world and all the supposedly "serious" stuff by making it the core focus, when it never was the reason why the series was so good. I also hated the constant Junko rehashing so I actually laughed out loud when Tsumugi tries to misdirect the rest of the cast by saying "it was Junko every single time so it's definitely Junko again".

DR3 killed the series. V3 was like a beautiful funeral.

The fact that they stuck to these themes is what makes it great. Without it, this might as well just be some generic annual franchise. The fact that they keep connecting all the games and keep coming back to these themes is what makes Danganronpa Danganronpa. I really don't get complaints about this.

I agree, the moment they started bringing in "backstory" was the moment V3 started going downhill. That one CG with Junko actually made me sigh out loud.
V3's my favourite Danganronpa despite that, but I feel like it had plenty of opportunities to be far better. That's not even going into all the missed opportunities like pretty much the entirety of Chapter 3.

>the buff guy dies in Chapter 4 for a noble cause
>Chapter 3's murderer pulls off a double-kill and has shitty motives
>Chapter 5 has even more deliberate unknowns about the victim and/or murderer's identities
>Chapter 1's victims are initially set up to have bigger roles
>Chapter 2 has some kind of plot twist revolving around serial killers
>the location of the murder in Chapter 4 is a larger part of the mystery
And these are the tropes off the top of my head. Being able to make predictions in a murder mystery game based off the previous games is shitty writing, also V3 wasn't initially marketed as being related to DR1 and DR2. They can still make it feel like Danganronpa without it being predictable.

I love my gorgeous wife!

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>I agree, the moment they started bringing in "backstory" was the moment V3 started going downhill. That one CG with Junko actually made me sigh out loud.
It's not about the backstory. It's about V3 rehashing the same lines as the previous games.

>Kaede is a mix of Twogami and Sayaka
>Kirumi is Peko 2.0
>Trial 3 is double murder for the worst reason
>Trial 4 is le bara death
>Trial 5 is CUHRAYZEEE murders

V3 would unironically be better if it tried to maintain its own identity instead of drawing from the prequels. Which is hilarious since this is what Kodaka promised.

Hivemind.

>Kaede trying her best to get rid of Monokuma's motives or otherwise take a stand against him instead of five chapters of moping and inaction other than having a brief look around the school once every chapter
Where can I hassle Team Danganronpa so they release this game instead?

This. I'm still mad over all the DR2 pandering 3 had.

This too. Why the fuck does a mystery series follow patterns? The writers must feel so smart going "see it's like the previous game haha"

Having the death sequences happen the same way every time isnt a "theme", its just shit and lazy. You can clearly tell DR2 is a Danganronpa game even without a double homicide.

That's retroactive reasoning.

But they don't happen the same way? As you said, one game doesn't have them. The games also have different numbers of survivors, the number and type of people that get killed or survive are different, don't pretend you can go into these games and predict what happens. It's easy to finish the games, look back and pick out similarities, but that doesn't make the games predictable.

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>expectations: Junko preyed on each student's vulnerabilities and corrupted them
>reality: LOL BRAINWASH ANIME

Don't be stupid. Case 3's existence is all the proof needed that V3's inability to shake off its roots was its downfall. There was ZERO reason for Korekiyo to commit a double murder beyond the fact that case 3 had to be a double murder, and as a result, the motive was hackneyed and contrived. You can tell mid-playthrough

So why does everyone hate dr3, i skipped it and went straight for v3 since i play dr for the trials anyway

I reckon I'm the only one who enjoyed the whole series and thought it was one hell of a ride?

Not when you can predict Chapter 4's blackened not on what they did or what clues they left behind, but what type of character they are. I'll agree that the others are not so obvious on the first playthrough unless you're eagle-eyed or obssessed over the series, but there are some pretty egregious examples of the writers having an opportunity to break away from the tropes but deliberately not doing so. Korekiyo possibly only being responsible for Tenko's murder is one example.

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they made the blood red for a shitty fake out

reminder that kirumi had zero reason to do all the shit she did to hoshi's body and would have gotten away with everything had she just drowned him and left

>pic
at least they got maki and shuichi right

I don't get it, honestly. You think they killed two people because they're "shackled to the formula"? They killed two people because that's the way they planned out the story beats.

DR3 was only good for the memes

Pretty sure Danganronpa's blood was always supposed to be red, it was just pink for censorship

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Bully-kun must be stopped.

cuz it's really, really bad
and in many ways retroactively ruins aspects of the series

>You think they killed two people because they're "shackled to the formula"?
It sure seems that way. Even if they wanted to kill two people off, as put it they could have moved away from the Chapter 3 blackened comitting a double murder but they didn't.

She would have been cleared if the monokuma file didn’t cheat and reveal the cause of death

Yes, played on PC so can't speak for PS4 or Vita. If you must watch the anime do so after you finished both games and for the love of god don't take it as canon.

Play it on Vita if you can.
1 treats you like you are a braindead fetus, but it gives a "solid" introduction to the series.
2 is the best in my opinion, it complements 1's story and makes it a little better. It also has better characters and motivations imo.

What really got me was how they both did and didn't do the cult leader angle, she did spark riots and resentment over the talent system but sidestepped anything interesting about that.

Why was Himiko so low?

it is canon though.

I can only assume people thought she was a Teruteru-tier meme character.

And the lolis up to this point had a bad track record.

Probably because as a magician, she could have had an interesting death/execution or pulled off a decent murder

>1 treats you like you are a braindead fetus, but it gives a "solid" introduction to the series.
Yeah, because 2 was a lot better when you spend hours figuring out an obvious mechanism, to the point that the game asks you to explain an Octagon to the class.
>2 is the best in my opinion, it complements 1's story and makes it a little better. It also has better characters and motivations imo.
2 might actually be the worst of all. It sucks because it relies Hard on 1 to deliver the exciting twists, and when it doesn't, it's Komaeda who has to bring the A game. Most of the characters are filler, the group dynamic seriously sucks or is just inappropriate, and the motives?

>First is okay
>Second is designed to target Fuyuhiko and Peko, and nobody else
>Despair disease was creatively bankrupt and arbitrary. As is the fate of all trial 3 cases
>Fourth was outright hamfisted. Only one step short of "kill someone or I will kill you."

I have a lot of problems with DR2 and they only become worse thanks to DR3 ruining even the best aspects of that game.

Wouldn't Hoshi have been the meme character? Or do you mean in terms of personality rather than appearance

Also, I wouldn't really say lolis have a consistent track record like big guys and weird-looking guys do. Chihiro wasn't actually a girl, Hiyoko was only killed off due to a last-minute change, and DR3 didn't really have one at all.

>characters with the coolest potential executions always either survive or get murdered

Which characters did you find better besides Hopeman

>Most of the characters are filler,
Which ones in particular?

hajime is a much better protagonist, besides that uh most of them are idiots. I hate mary sue gamer gurl so much that I actually prefer kyoko

>The ending of a series killed the series
Say it ain't so

youtu.be/SPoZxZ17W6s

I'll never understand how someone can think V3's ending is amazing and hate 2's when they're fundamentally the same message, and in fact 2's is more developed and built up much better throughout the game

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Seeing your comment made me think, what if there was a Danganronpa where the main character, like us, knew the results of a couple Danganronpa games. It'd be interesting how he'd try to subvert the games to prevent the events from happening.

Ace dangan when?

>zoomers are so brainwashed by endless sequels that they can't comprehend a series ending on its own terms

Hajime certainly has a more relatable character arc and insecurities, also reacted more realistically to the whackos around him than Makoto would. Most of the DR2 cast aggravated me though, definitely the most overrated cast

waste of midorikawa

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V3 is an insult to me as I like mystery games and the creator says I shouldn’t

Danganronpa isn't a real mystery series to begin with but V3 is the most aggressively not at all a mystery and just wacky scifi bullshit you're pulled along for the ride for

I was disappointed that they established a rule for what would happen if two separate people murdered someone before a trail was held then never did anything with it

>just wacky scifi bullshit you're pulled along for the ride for
That's what all the games in the series were for me and is why I enjoyed all of them. except the overall plot of DR is complete garbage

>danganronpa thread
Now's my chance!

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What I dislike about 2's ending is that for one, its resolution is a complete asspull (and no, V3's is not). It builds up this dilemma of having to choose between two options, neither of which saves everyone. And then it resolves it by going "actually there's a third option where everything works out lol" - it's stupid. And I don't want to get labelled as some hater, so let me explain exactly why this annoys me so much: This dilemma that is fucking great. Its build-up is great, it's logically consistent and it's a true moral quesiton no clear answer. And the way it's present is great too, the dialogue in that finale is one of the best in the entire series, because both sides have a point and they're fighting for their lives and the way it goes back and forth is great, so many memorable lines (like when Fuyuhiko says he'd really like to see Peko again, damn). And it is also a great demonstration of the true ultimate talent of Junko - creating situations that make good people despair. Because this dilemma does exactly that. It's just all around great and I was on the edge of my fucking seat to see what happens.
And then it all gets """""""RESOLVED"""""""" by a fucking handwave and some vague bullshit about future. And some magical Chiaki vision which honestly had no right to be there, Hinata and her share like one scene outside of free time.

So yeah that's why I dislike 2's ending, wasted fucking potential. And none of these complaints apply to V3. You can argue they're fundamentally the same message (personally I don't think so), but even then V3 has a vastly better execution. V3 stays consistent, its resolution is properly built up and a natural conclusion of the game' with plenty of callbacks.

>Monokuma playing 4d chess thoughout the game with the students as to whether Future Foundation is on their side or not
V3 should have had more Monokuma fucking around like that.

>and in fact 2's is more developed
lmao no
>have a very difficult choice between 2 terrible outcomes
>Hajime breaks down
>has vision of dead waifu
>gets empty advice that amounts to "just b urself my dude, maybe it will work out"
>Hajime screams future a bunch of times
>happy end

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Sonia, Akane, Nekomaru, Ibuki, Hiyoko are straight worthless. Kazuichi builds plot devices relevant for the chapter they're in, but then loose relevance immediately afterwards. As a character, he's also useless and relegated to cuck-tier for no reason. Peko is a waste of a character and devoted all potential for the sake of Fuyuhiko's character arc, but for that escapes filler-territory.

Dont forget the anime

Lol? user?

DR2's investigation phase...is not even an investigation. You get text thrown in your faces by books and messages. Then get to the trial. From that point on, everyone but Hajime is just a passenger reacting to le EBIN reveals from Junko. That by itself is another problem. Junko is at her worst in DR2's ending (arguably). She's not even a character here, she's a plot device to perform further exposition and infodumping for the entire trial. She has no particular purpose nor reason for being in this ending, whereas it would have made a 1000x more sense for it to be Izuru proper. The Junkoland plan didn't even make sense, and was contrary to Junko's philosophy in the first game. But whatever. It works, Hajime and the others fall to despair...and then get out of it because gamer girl slapped you back to your senses.
>Super Saiyan
>FUTURE
GG Junko.
DR2 coasted on being style and presentation over substance. It couldn't even keep that up in the ending.

Finally someone gets it. It's okay that she died, but most of the game's novelty died with her so the game should have been planned accordingly.

It was?

how would they do that though, I agree izuru should have replaced junko as the final boss of sorts but how?

Make Izuru the A.I or a glitch. It wouldn't change much since he's a bot anyway.

they could have made up some bullshit about how he seperated himself from hajime's mind took over the junko virus or something

No. The game spends 4 chapters with another unconfident, passive observer just like the previous games. Having an active participant in the game revitalized the series somewhat. After she dies the game is simply going through the Danganronpa motions, which is probably intentional with regards to the ending.

what are you talking about, Saihara is by far the most proactive protagonist.
nigga is carrying every trial single-handedly

And gave the entire fanbase the middle finger while doing so.

Got some balls, man.

Anime adaptations killed the series. How could they betray their fanbase with such a rushed and bad written plot. Fuck.

I agree completely, but Makoto didn't lack confidence. If anything, that boy was too sure of himself. He'd have done better with insecurities.

He does the investigations (or rather the player does), but he has no input in the actual plot progression aside from that and some token exploring. He didn't do anything with the motive videos, the student council or the VR stuff, but only went with the flow. Kaede was leading the charge while she was around

it really isn't though...

Kodaka and zero escape fag both said fuck you to everyone and left to create shoda and loli killing games

Cause V3's ending shoots itself in the foot. Trial 6 itself is great, but everything afterwards(muh power of fiction) is a clear cop out by the writers. Everything after the end of the trial is just devalues its message and sequel baits. I wouldn't be surprised if the epilogue was forced in by chunsoft late in development.

uchikoshi's next recycled wild ride comes out in like a week it wasn't that much of a "fuck you"

Not the person you're responding to but he seems to exhaust all his detective energy in the trials. Outside of them, he does the bare minimum in exploring the school and shows no sign of resistance towards Monokuma besides seeing him as a nuisance. Like the other user says he just goes along with what everyone else is doing, even if it's a bad idea like when the group splits due to cult shenanigans.

He himself said that his talent was only useful when another murder happened (which is in and of itself a passive approach to being a detective). Otherwise, he mostly did keep to himself as an observer, even if he is the one carrying every trial due to being the detective and wanting to survive the killing game. It's only at the end that Saihara really comes to his own as an extremely proactive protagonist, which is the entire point of his character arc.

It's for the best. Feminists ruined it.

Currently playing DR 2 now (Chapter 3), i agree with most of the anons that it seems somewhat familiar with the prequel and i'm suspecting to abandon the DR 3 anime that everyone shits about. I only wanted a comfy story with a nice whodunnit, but i'm fearing this game will fall flat like DR 1. Regardless, i love the OST and some of the character interactions. and DR 2 has so much potential with the twist that Nagito brings.

But thanks to this damn board, i'm always bitter with games.

Its not a cop out, its the staff saying "you're all a bunch of sick fucks for watching this stuff and playing these games, and fuck you".

SJWs and feminists shat all over the series

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The best twist of all would've been letting Kaede live until the end and never having to play as shithara.

No. DR2 being similar to DR1 is the charm. Think MGS2 - MGS. It's all about the similarities and later the subversion. Don't let that ruin the experience for you and really you shouldn't be in this thread until you've finished the game and consolidated your own opinion.

The problem is that V3 had no reason to be the same.

>their next game could potentially not release in the west depending on how violent it is because "muh children" is a hot button topic right now.
Ha ha serves them right.

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The point of the ending (and the point most of the characters focus on) was that fiction could and did have a measurable effect on reality and those who don't respect that don't respect fiction at all. Kodaka himself mentioned that the audience in V3 isn't 100% analogous to the real-life audience.

uh source?

Only in trials. Now slip back and consider Kyoko and what she did both in and out of trials in DR1. Now return to Shuichi. Who exactly would you consider proactive in this circumstance? Shuichi only investigated at the very beginning...then sort of gave up after Kaede died. From thereon, he just responds to deaths without moving the plot along. In this vain, he is arguably worse than Makoto, who at least followed along with Kyoko to resolve the mysteries in the school.

V3, in my opinion, cared too much about character relationships and not enough about the plot.

You fool, Mahiru and Fujisaki already existed before V3. Shuichi was a huge cuck protag compared to how much of a Chad that Hinata was and Naegi also being capable of having a spine.

>Chad
>Hinata
????

>Mahiru
>SJW
>feminists

>Hinata
>Chad

>Shuichi
>cuck

w e w

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>yfw we will never have another case as good as Hopeman's

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Hajime wasn't a chad. He's very fragile. Not to the degree Shuichi is, but his character arc is lacking self-confidence and putting up a front. All his sarcasm and cynism is only in his thoughts. He never acts or changes the dynamic with the other characters. Then he hits a huge low point in chapter 4 and again in chapter 6, while Shuichi was always getting better.

Now if we're talking post DR2 after Hajime got over his insecurities then yeah.

>Hinata
>Chad
You mean the same guy who whined and cried that he wasn't special and then got everything he wanted without any repercussions because he cried hard enough for his waifu to save him?

that case was a rollercoaster of emotions

>Hajime
>Chad

It's like the "Mukuro dindu nothing wrong" or "X is obviously gay". I've never seen a fanbase quite like this one that gets brainwashed by memes and forgets the canon.

>brainwashed by memes
no, this fanbase has many retards
It's the only explanation I can think of when people call Shuichi anything but the only decent MC in the entire DR series
they also probably unironically think Kaede was good

Easily the most overrated case in the entire series. I'll give it credit for making the mass execution rule relevant for once but it also cemented Nagito as a villain sue to me.

Being fair. Shuichi is extremely frustrating for a lot of the game. It's just forgotten because he's the headliner of trials whereas the other two were just spokesmen who did the groundwork and made one or two others look smarter. Shuichi was treated as the smartest guy in the room. But outside trials, he was way too pathetic. Especially with how much he clings to Kaede and Kaito; the former especially he only knew for a few days, just because she was nice to him. Shuichi is the most based at the end, but the progression shouldn't be forgotten.

How? What he did still fell under his hope mantra.

Dude Meta LOL is a shitty copout and always will be

>Nagito as a villain sue to me.
How can Nagito be a villain sue when he failed in the most humiliating way possible for him? Remember the investigation in chapter 4? Nagito says without his luck, he might as well be dead. He manages to win russian roulette with a 1-in-6 chance. But in trial 5, he has a 5-in-6 chance of victory, and he still blew it, getting a personal worst case scenario. The traitor he wanted to live died, and he then gave every advantage to Ultimate Despair.

Even the whole reality tv thing was basically a rehash of the first game.

His plan was smart, borderline perfect and he was enough of a madman to sell the fact that he would be willing to pull it off
The only bullshit part of his plan is the luck factor, and I really don't see why this would be a big deal

Hey, Kaede was good in the role she ultimately played and could be interesting in other roles as well. Shuichi’s good and all, but I’ll still stand by this.

The formula is extremely limited. A trilogy is a good place to end on.

Was this really necessary to include in the game?

Nope sorry, you can't have it both ways. What's the point of Shuichi's big speech about how him, his friends, and all the struggles they went through being real, for him to turn around 30 minutes later and talk about himself as fictional.

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I have a friend playing through the Danganronpa right now.

Someone give me a torrent to the Danganronpa 3 anime and some good as fuck Danganronpa 1 and 2 memes.

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September 14th, 2019.

Yeah but there aren't too many good murder mystery games out there, so it's sad that the best one has to end.

Because it's not a popularity poll, but a "chances you think that this character will makes it" poll.

Besides, Saionji ain't gonna make it, because she'll get bullied by me, right now. And to be honest, I want to bully Saionji so so much. I want to scold her to tears and throw her into pool. I want to take her gummies and eat them in front of her. Then I'll force-feed her with lemon-flavored gummies, palm after palm. I want to call her a stinky and take her panties so she has to going commando for the rest of the trip. I want to mock her inability to put her kimono by herself, so I'll strip her every once in a while, yelling what one day, she'll be glad to be able to dress up herself. Also, I'll take her kitty hairpins, making her long blonde hair cover her private parts. And when I'll give kimono back to her, I'll make sure to put Mr. Ants in every single pleat and Mr. Crab in her panties.

And when finally she snaps and try to bully me by any means possible, I'll spank her in front of everyone until she'll like it. And when she'll come to me, begging for another spanking, I'll mock her again, then spank her as if my life depends on it, laughing on her moans full of pleasure. Mere seconds before her climax, I'll throw her into pool once again, leaving her in her aroused state.

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If you don't recognize Tenko as a parody, you're the real joke here. Do you really feel her rantings were supposed to be sympathetic? Her master who told her all males were scum was a guy and it didn't even occur to her.

They do, but they’re just shitposting

1 was just okay but the characters at least felt more grounded somewhat compared to the other 2. 2's characters felt like they turned the anime tropes up to 11 and also has some of the worst cases in the series to be honest. 2-5 only barely redeems the game for me. V3 has a lot of issues but it felt more consistent and also has my favorite protagonist and characters. You're either gonna love or hate 3-1, 3-3's SEESAW, and 3-6.

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His personality and history may be fictional, but the events of the game are all entirely real. He can hence make both these statements without contradiction since the first statement is only talking about their experiences being real within the context of the game.

Except Tenko was one of the nicer characters in the group. She genuinely cared for Himiko and has worked past her sexism several times to cooperate with males.

Who was the best mastermind? I liked Monaca the best

Friendly reminder that the fact that Trial 2-5 was ruled as a murder makes literally no sense. If 2-5 was a murder, then Trial 2-4 should have been ruled as a suicide.

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You do remember that Ibuki didn't actually hang herself, right?

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He is talking about Nekomaru falling to his death

it was the best one but it killed the series. There's literally no way of writing themselves out of this corner other than a total reset

>a crazy Tsumugi-tier DR fan tries to reboot the series

ez

Monokuma only said that in the case of a murderer having an apprentice. Neither Gundham or Nagito had one.

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>2-4
Right I always fuck up the numbers. That's still wrong anyway, Nekomaru didn't tie himself up to drop and didn't do anything on purpose to cause his own death, Chiaki did throw the grenade with the poison even if it were unknowingly it was still thrown by her on purpose. Just not the purpose she thought.

I beat 2 and want to play v3 but I don't want to watch the anime. What do?

>Trial 4 is le bara death
Shit, your right.
Whats up with that.

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DR doesn't need to go on forever and V3 is a good send off before Spike Chunsoft inevitably milks the series dry

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You don't need to know shit about 3 to play V3.

I'm surprised nobody really brings this up. It really knocks both the quality of 2-4 and 2-5 for me because of how contradictory both murders are. I know it's supposed to go along with the narrative of Junko wanting to manipulate the second killing game but that was never a good excuse. Also it's against the rules for the headmaster to manipulate or interfere with the students (as that was one of Monomi's rules) so it even makes less sense why he let them be trapped in the funhouse in the first place. Then again the second trial already breaks the "don't litter" rule when Peko left the gummi there so the game is already willing to contradict itself for no reason.

>didn't do anything on purpose to cause his own death
This is wrong though. The students discuss that Nekomaru had to have been forcing himself to break free from the ropes that were keeping him bound, so it doesn't make sense why it wouldn't be ruled a suicide as that would have killed himself.

Danganronpa is Homestuck of videogames

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He was doing it to free himself, and obviously thought his new body could take the fall. He wasn't jostling himself off the handle on purpose.

The ends doesn't justify the means in this case. He didn't know that he would have crash landed head first into the pillar, killing himself, but he did. It should be noted as suicide.

Alright so just so you're caught up
>There was a guy in the DR2 class that made brainwashing anime but wasn't mentioned until now and helps Junko take over the world
>no one that returns from DR1 dies, despite having multiple fakeout deaths for that cast specifically
>no one new in the DR3 cast matters
>Nothing in UDG matters
>Monaca fucks off to space
>JUZO BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYS
>All of the DR2 cast gets revived and saves the day besides Chiaki because lol
>none of this is relevant for V3 anyways

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That's so obviously Undertale.

Series was already getting stale before V3 if were being honest.

After having heard plenty of people complain about v3 I'm 100% certain those people just didn't fucking get it.
The entire ending is a lie, if you can't discern the real truth then you're just not smart enough.

This is of course only assuming he actually woke up and the handle didn't just break while he was still unconscious.

>suicide
>when the whole thing was planned from top to bottom by Gundam to kill off Nekomaru
>from deliberately leaving the rope loose to tying Nekomaru upside down and letting natural reaction do the rest

>When the wall clocks' alarm rang, that was also the same time Nekomaru was waking up... He woke up while he was still hanging upside-down, so he couldn't help but sway his body powerfully... Originally, the loop of wire was only supposed to slip off the doorknob... But because there was a heavier load than expected, the doorknob ended up breaking. Nekomaru fell from the 4th floor all the way to the 1st floor...

This doesn't sound like a suicide to me. It sounded like Nekomaru woke up and instinctively swayed because he was upside down, which was enough to break the handle. There was no explicit intent in any of his actions to cause his own death.

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This assumption doesn't work because then the marks and broken doorknob make no sense if Nekomaru wasn't forcing himself to break the wire from the doorknob. This was the conclusion the student come to during the trial.

But you can argue because Nidai's struggling caused him to fall, not because the wire was loose. It's the same situation with the Chiaki/Komaeda case. The problem is that 2-4 and 2-5 contradict each other on who should be at fault. Just because Chiaki/Nidai did something that caused someone to die doesn't automatically make them at fault because Komaeda/Gundam planned it.

you do realize this whole conversations is pointless anyway because Monokuma was ignoring his own rules so he could weed out just enough of the class to do the mental upload, right? He didn't want to kill off the rest of them otherwise it'd just be him and Chiaki and that'd be useless.

And i'm saying that the game makes it a point that he couldn't supersede Monomi's rules but still lets Peko "litter" and Monokuma still interferes with the students, so the game doesn't even stick to it's own rules. And this contradiction is just another blunder on why I can't take the game a seriously because it's willing to bend the rules to fit the narrative isn't a good excuse.

Peko specifically didn't litter though, she threw all the water bottles in the trash. How does he "interfere" with the students?

She left a gummi on the floor. It should count as littering.

>V3
>Best cast

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then so would the mask and the bat

50 minute rule, man.

The gummi wasn't trash, it was food. Akane would totally still have eaten that.

I mentioned it already but he specifically lead the students into the funhouse and purposefully keeps them there without any food and that should be grounds for interfering or putting their lives at risk and that was one of Monomi's rules. The game eventually makes it a point that Monokuma can't delete Monomi's rules so the only thing he can do is obey them.

I didn't even think about the mask, but yeah that should also count as littering.

He didn't personally drag them there, all he did was gas them and let the train do the work,

Then Mikan and Nagito should be busted for littering because they left things on the ground. (broken camera, monokuma doll)

It's probably because evidence and false evidence is kosher to Monokuma, as they were not using the world as a garbage can

I miss mosbles.

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It's still putting their lives at risk by not feeding them, which he can't do.

But then Teruteru wouldn't have to hide the iron skewer, but the game makes it a point that he couldn't do it because it might count as littering.

>not feeding them,
Not his job, if they can't find food because they fell asleep on the train and ended up in an exitless building it's not his fault.

Are there any characters more BASED than Shuichi and Nagito? I don't think so.

>2-5
>murder
>when the whole thing was planned from top to bottom by Nagito to kill himself
>from putting the poison in the fire grenade to starting the fire

Where can I find all of his old stuff? I can't find it anywhere but maybe I'm just retarded

The Kaede twist would have been better if it didn't happen at all.

>Oh this character you're controlling and actively seeing the thoughts of? They did something without you knowing HAHAH WHAT A TWIST

>>Oh this character you're controlling and actively seeing the thoughts of? They did something without you knowing
I like this
have you never heard of an unreliable narrarator

twitter.com/Mosbles7/media

Autism: the post

Kaede has a small butt

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How are you old enough to post on 4channel and still not understand a modified Sally-Anne test

>They did something without you knowing
Nah if you go back and reread/watch the scenes leading up to the murder, everything's set up, just described vaguely enough that you don't catch it right away

Why did she break out into cospox when cosplaying Kaede?

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>tested the waters with Ultra Despair Girls
Le quirky xD characters got really stale, really fast
Writing was ass'n'titties (hope and despair remix)
Absolutely nothing interesting about the lore or the world around it

Even the shootan got tired before it over.

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the same happens in V3, if everyone died it would have been a great ending, but they didn't die, just like in 2, the survivors were okay.
V3 has arguably more plotholes than 2, but who cares about plotholes in a plothole filled franchise, right?

my stupid trash bag toilet wife deserved better

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It's setup was still bad, kaede didn't have a good enough reason to not reveal herself after she fucked up.

V3’s ending is bad mainly because the constant brainwashing means the only three things we can take from the games ending is that the kids were kidnapped against their will, the world is doped up on HOPE brainwashing, and that three people escaped to go and try to uncover the actual truth. Even then, the second point is a stretch. Every other scene and statement can be hand-waved away as “brainwashed”

Bump, I really liked the discussion in this thread. I can't speak nor type English well but I'm happy to see danganronpa fans not memeing or not aimlessly waifuposting, for once.

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It’s got the best human villain in the series (not a difficult challenge) along with the best protagonist.

I would rather have a Despair Girls 2 before a DR4.

The ideal scenario is after you complete the game, you get to play again in NG+ and change the fate of the character you control to create a new timeline which answers more questions about TDR while providing you with new murders and harder cases. (Alternate time lines is basically already a thing in DR anyway). Or they could have “revived” her in Chapter 3 to build to the Twin twist.

Either way, she should have had full FTEs with everyone and been able to play the bonus mode as her.

regardless the more I think about it the more I think you're wrong. and that the exact opposite is true. I wish more games had unreliable narrators, it seems like an untapped idea with a lot of potential.

>wish fulfillment shit

I get what you mean, but the sacrifice feels a lot more real in V3. And surviving a collapsed building (especially when you take into account it was Keebo's doing) is a lot more believable than a computer program suddenly working completely different than its supposed to just so everyone can have a happy ending.

Don't get me wrong, i agree with you, but the first case felt... wrong imo. seems like they were forcing Kaede to be the culprit even though there were better candidates.

You know how at the end of the game she was able to cosplay in a split second, being able to even change height, weight and (most importantly) skin colour? Remember how she made Kaede turn away as she did it? Remember how nobody else was in the room to see it?

Cospox doesn’t exist. It was just a costume she put on so she would never have to deal with the accusation ever again. Having the person who sees you also be the person you’re about to frame for murder means you don’t even have to be consistent with symptoms should it come up again.

please don't insult Char with your retardation

You sound like a girl

She tried to cosplay the original Kaede, whoever she was

I think is the other way around, a computer program can actually work differently because it isn't perfect, Naegi and company didn't even know what happens when you disconnect the machines, so the bodies were connected somehow and did have some effect on them.
fiction, as ironic as it may be, is perfect in the way that "it doesnt" exist, it suddenly existing contradicts the whole last trial as a whole, if they went "danganronpa is a different dimension" it would make more sense.

She never said that it didn't exist though, she went with the "i can only cosplay 'real' people" argument.

His Twitter is back up.

Daily reminder that a VN worse than Fate exists.

One day you'll realize the whole point is the ending is whatever you make of it - it doesn't matter because it's fiction. What matters is you in the real world. If you make a better decision for whatever reason due to lessons learned from a story Kodaka wrote, he's happy, which is what he talks about during the epilogue.

Tsumugi did that on purpose. Kaede bonding the group is the antithesis of what she wants. Rantaro even suggests that the mastermind will come after her.

Protip the theme of the game is lying.

>tfw in the end, there really wasn't anyone who could even remotely control our boy Juzo

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I too would prefer the series gets milked with bad entires like DR3 ad infinium with bad endings because you can only power creep original ideas for so long.

>I don't understand context
Tsumugi!who has cospox is just as fictional as everyone else in Danganronpa. Cospox is relevant to literally nothing because it doesn't exist in reality.

it was never implied that it was a lie, she even said she couldn't cosplay the V3 characters because they were "real" and they kinda are, but not technically the same people.

Brainlet

Maybe we'll get V2 just to make up for this.

No, I'm not. English is not my first language

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it is relevant because it took a good portion of the argument explaining why her cospox didn't work on real people, she didn't say "tehe, that was a lie because i dont exist", she said "you exist in the real world and i can't cosplay real people"

The “real person” argument was bullshit. She made it up to try and fuck with the rebelling survivors some more.

Miu... maybe, but I don't think she compares to Shuichi and Nagito overall.

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Juzo
Tulpaman
Hajime but only when he uses the laughing sprite

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how was it bullshit when she was explaining that there's a world outside and that they were fans of the game and wanted to be in it?, at that point may as well say danganronpa didn't exist and the audience also didn't exist because everything tsumigi says is a lie.

Jeez you're retarded he started to panic and broke it off simple. The rules are specifically if they cause someone to die which chiaki did, why is this so hard to understand?

The whole littering thing with the gummy and mask doesn't count because it was part of a murder and thus part of the case

Well yeah, that was the whole point dummy.

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It's only good to watch as it was released. No point in watching now, unless you have friends who are also DR fans that haven't watched DR3 and know nothing about it.

Reminder that himiko has pissed herself in canon

>explain an Octagon to the class.
I think that was a translation issue, they might of still used the term 'octagon' in Japanese or some other term that doesn't translate

Why haven't you reading Danganronpa 4: 999 2?

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Truly DR fans are retarded.
They said octagon, not octagon, mongroloid

it's not finished yet

Every character besides like the main trio and Fuyuhiko seem very useless because they main plot if dr2 is dog shit. They never try to fight the mastermind and they hardly learn anything by the start of chapter 6. Of course some character are useless even by this standard like Sonia, Akane, the coach guy, and Soda.

And it was glorious!

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>improved gameplay
Do people actually think DR3 improved gameplay?
That fucking car minigame in the trials was WHACK. Stupidiest shit I ever played. Though if you mean the exploration I can see what you mean.

I only finished DR1, when the fuck did they admit to the game not being real? The apocalypse was absolutely real, and Junko was literally executing people and forcing them to kill each other, nothing fictional about it. I don't get this "the series has always been meta" from the apologists, because NOTHING about DR1 was meta from a videogame perspective.

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as an avid fan of both i'm gonna have to agree

>liking Tumblr garbage
kys

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By those standards Teruteru, Mahiru, and Gundham could be considered filler as too. There's also Imposter, who's entire existence is to be a kind of pointless red herring.

what.

>theoryfags still think the ending of V3 was a lie
Yikes. Imagine being this deluded.

V3 is set in a separate cannon where Danganronpa becomes so popular that in the future they hold reality TV killing games

He means that in every danganronpa game things aren't always how they seem to be. Btw get outta this thread retard

>Nekomaru seems like a neat character at first
>turns out he only exists to further Akane's development
>Akane doesn't even develop at all anyway
I'm still kinda pissed about that.

Well all of those characters had either died early or had important roles to fill (Gundham did shit in trials and was comedic relief) (Mikan was the waifu bait and did autopsies)

>and was comedic relief
It's not like DR2 really had a lack of that, 3 out of the 5 survivors were joke characters.

What was worthless about Sonia and Hiyoko?

Honestly DR2 had way to many joke characters. DR1 only had like 2 or three.

Gundham never did anything in class trials. There's a legitimate argument that he was the dumbest student in Danganronpa history prior to 2-4. That whole thing where he discovered the glow in the dark paint under the floorboards but didn't tell anyone in 2-1 is the dumbest shit ever.

But that doesn't affect DR1's message, which was just about "hope and despair" or some anime bullshit like that. DR1 wasn't "fictional", and didn't hint at being so whatsoever. Even if V3 retroactively makes it fictional, that doesn't change the original intent of the story.

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>Danganronpa V3 thread
>only has played 1
you literally went here just to get spoiled.

Sonia doesn't fucking do anything the whole story. Hiyoko acting as the bitch of the cast and succeeded so I'd say she was worth something

HEY HEY

He's one of those characters who seems to get inexplicably way more competent when orchestrating a murder.

Dr1 and 2 are not metafiction within dr1 and 2. They are only metafiction in v3 which is a seperate cannon

Hiyoko's thing was that she acted like a bitch for half the game and then dies in a really boring and unceremonious way and nobody really gives a shit. I heard this was due to a change of plans for 2-3 but I'm not sure if that's been confirmed.

Well the fact he did a murder and trial as good as 2-4 was already enough to make him more worth while, that and he was the most successful comic relief character of all of them

I heard that the ending sucks, and it ruins the worldbuilding and your emotional investment of the other two games, and my computer can't run it, so I have no intention of playing it.

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Never said it does its just a common trend/theme with the game.

>was one of the most useful parts of the first trial
>lol just kill her

Im surprised to see someone speak so highly of him, he was really grating for me and was barely saved by 2-4

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In both 2 and v3 pretty much all of the first few deaths are the more rational characters of the cast

in a better world Mahiru was the Chiaki of 2

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>and it ruins the worldbuilding and your emotional investment of the other two games
it's literally not even connected to the original universe

So why do people say "the series is all about being meta" when the first and second games aren't meta at all?

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I just found him fucking hilarious. I go on /x/ a lot and you actually see people talking like that all the time, so to see this occultist weirdo who's really just a big softy was fucking great.

Granted, I also loved Hiro, so maybe I just have bad taste

you mean he's the ONE character
>Leon/Sayaka
not shown to be competent, plan isn't complex
>Mondo
same
>Celeste
exact opposite, supposed to be competent, stupidest murder plan in the entire series
>Aoi
stupid plan, stupid person
>Junko/Mukuro
makes sense in context
>Teruteru
don't really get any indication that Teruteru is a dummy
>Peko
same
>Mikan
Mikan despite being garbage is actually not worthless in class trials. She's the makeshift coroner and is also the first one to figure out Nagito isn't the murderer in 2-1
>Nagito/Chiaki
don't need to say anything
>Junko
same
>Kaede
Kaede comes off as more competent than her plan
>Kirumi
same
>Kiyo
competent person competent plan that is thrown into chaos by his character flaws
>Gonta
stupid person, did not really come up with the "plan"

the rest you can kinda fill in the blanks

well you've been spoiled on the best ending in the series all because you listened to some brainlet retards.

>Im surprised to see someone speak so highly of him
Then don't go to reddit (he almost always wins the popularity polls whenever they do them). They also still think he did the murder to sacrifice himself and save the others, even though that would completely go against his motive to kill in the first place.

Monokuma gets a bit meta sometimes, but you're right the first two aren't meta at all. It's only the third one that is

>competent plan
Kiyo's plan was fucking retarded, if anything his accidental murder was more competent

explain

I suppose youre right, (though I'd argue Ibuki and Hiyoko are far from rational) I guess my biggest gripe is that the characters that did survive only one of them had any amount of character development that meant something

That world sounds better in theory but I dont think I can live in a world where theres a bunny suit Mahiru fig that people will cum on. but I would like to live in a world with a non chibi fig though

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>though I'd argue Ibuki and Hiyoko are far from rational
I was mostly referring to the first two chapters

Yes however did you know my wish fulfillment was for all my friends to be forced to murder each other?

>he characters that did survive only one of them had any amount of character development that meant something
counterpoint: the one character that underwent significant character development developed into a more boring character

I generally prefer characters who die to the characters who live because there's an inherent amount of personality per chapter that you're going to get in a chapter where someone either kills or is killed

this includes Mahiru, who is ne of my favorite characters. But I can't hope she lives except on the most superficial level, because most of the reason I like her is her actions in 2-2

The only thing that Sonia does in the story is try to justify Gundumb challenging Nekomaru to a dual, only to ambush him and then play it off like he wasn't a precalculated murderer
God I just hate everything about the resolution to that case

>nobody realizes his voice moving while he was chanting while crouching down to follow the salt
>jumps in complete darkness into the seesaw
>seesaw goes down
>he is standing in complete darkness on a thin board at a 45º angle
>he somehow manages to get off the board without falling
>he then gets back
>all of this happens and nobody hears anything
>this is just the moment of the murder without taking into account the dumb shit like the scythe somehow fitting the cage gaps, the scythe not making the statue be unstable, Shuchi and the rest who placed the statue on top not realizing there was something on top of the cage that made placing the statue difficult and Tenko being retarded enough to remain silent after being stabbed

supposedly they planned to kill gangsta boy but then realized his death negated peko's purpose, so they killed Hiyoko, even though doing so they negated Mahiru's purpose
Honestly they should have just let both live

I don't get why they absolutely had to kill one of them at that exact point. Even if they just had to do a double murder because muh first game, they could've gone with somebody like Akane or Sonia.

good points except
>finding the floorboard and getting back into place in complete darkness
can be explained by practice
>scythe somehow fitting the cage gaps
same
>Tenko being retarded enough to remain silent after getting stabbed
Tenko only lived for a few seconds (if even that much) after that and had her throat impaled, she was probably in shock

The bants between Fuyuhiko and Hiyoko would've been great plus them getting over the shared trauma would be at least interesting but they let the knock off Aoi live and let her ruin and negate Nekumaru's character

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Another thing worth noting for DR2 was early material seemed to imply Akane would have been your main rival, having a proper cut in arguement splash
Something got heavily retooled and she got regulated to comic relief, and probably given some kind of murder immunirty among the staff
I'll see if I can find the images I'm thinking of

Vita

People aren't that perceptive when they don't have to be also didn't the game state he traced he way to and fro with the salt?

like this

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Don't worry, the shitty writing was justified by it being a shitty reality show.

technically it is possible for him to pull it off in total darkness if you ignore the fact that the jump and getting off is really harder to do than it sounds, but keep in mind he did everything in around 10 seconds
It's just too bullshit of a plan to come up with and think it would reliably work

>Something got heavily retooled and she got regulated to comic relief, and probably given some kind of murder immunirty among the staff
Kind of like Weedman, in a way.

Intentionally shitty writing isn't excused from being shitty writing.

>say V3 is shit ever since the spoilers start hitting
>end up being right and V3 is so shit it kills the series

Only part i found really hard to believe (from what i remember) is him getting back on the ledge after jumping with no noise or mishaps but i believe he did state in game that he practiced