So.....what's his endgame?

I wish he wouldn't.

but dark meta knight already exists
yeah that theory is out the window with all the new lore we got.

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Train the future Star Warriors, and make sure the legacy is upheld.

Galactia(sic) Knight is to Meta Knight as Meta Knight is to Kirby

>anime cannon
meta knight has never trained Kirby in the games, not once ever.

aeon hero was one of the four heroes to seal void away, I think he went crazy evil so the ancients sealed him away in time and banished hyness for being a dumb fuck

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>canon
Boy it's another one of those idiots.

>meta knight has never trained Kirby in the games, not once ever.
Revenge of Meta Knight in Kirby Super Star was basically a glorified test of Kirby's abilities that he made

>meta knight has never trained Kirby in the games, not once ever.
Literally what is Kirby's Adventure

He wanted to seal Void away, and succeeded but got corrupted in the process, and then he was cursed by the Jambandrans to forever be trapped in crystals over and over again.

They confirmed that all extra/hard modes are what-if stories. But i'm not sure if that applies to the Kirby Pay 2 Win battle games.

why is he so worried?

No they didn't you fucking moron, that's a rumour that everyone latched onto when Planet Robobot was released and they said on Miiverse that Meta Knightmare Returns SPECIFICALLY was made with a what-if mindset. You cannot take that to mean that every non-Main Story game mode in every game ever is suddenly non-canon.

They only said that about PR's Meta Knightmare mode, and they literally said in a later post that it's all up to interpretation.

He just time traveled to the 2010s from the 90s

In the intro to RoMK, he states outright that he intends to show the Meta Knights' power and to "end Dream Land's lazy lifestyle", nothing at all about Kirby

To stop being summoned all the goddamn time

He already achieved it thousands of years ago. Now he fights without purpose.

dude wanted to take over dreamland, not train Kirby he wanted revenge after loosing.
he really wasn't training him, dude just wanted to duel, metaknights whole thing is a path of a knight that trains himself, he gave Kirby candy in that game because he knew shit was going down with dedede and the star rod.

meta knight gives zero fucks about training Kirby and does what he thinks is best, why else would he hide the keys to the door to dark nebula? his actions have always been mysterious and not straight forward he does things for his own benefit initially but learned to work with Kirby

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he proberbly go corrupted by void's power before it got sealed and went evil.

He gave Kirby aid in levels overrun with enemies and then tested him in battle against his minions, followed by a fair-fight duel between the two. That is a form of training, even if it's a small one.

If you've seen the end of Super Kirby Clash, that's definitely what happened.

im thinking he went out fighting, and comes back fighting every time he does
he doesn't know what's going on but he figures it can't be good

What is Meta Knight's name?

Ybrik

that's most likely why halcandra is in ruins, the ancients straight up got murdered and only abandoned factory's remain and bits of their super tech, hyness was banished for meddling with the jamba heart
I think he helped Kirby because he knew about nightmare and why dedede broke the star rod but still had his own reasons to fight him, maybe to test his strength or to take the rods that Kirby already had and stop nightmare himself.

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Nah, if Meta Knight wanted to fix the Star Rod he would have gone and beaten the bosses before Kirby even showed up. Kirby only sets out on the adventure when he notices that he cannot dream anymore and is told that Dedede meddled with the Fountain of Dreams, so clearly Meta Knight has been in possession of his Star Rod piece for quite a while before Kirby showed up. I think Meta Knight was fine with Dedede's solution, he doesn't seem like the type of person who would give a shit about not being able to dream at night anymore.

Is this just his design from now on?

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Dededetour is literally canon though, it gave the background of why Sectonia was a bitch and the official Miiverse confirmed it was DMK's fault

Meta Knightmare Returns is only non-canon because it literally makes no sense for Star Dream to be repaired or return in that span of time.

>Meta Knightmare Returns is only non-canon because it literally makes no sense for Star Dream to be repaired or return in that span of time.
Tbf you could probably make up some makeshift explanation of how the two stories take place at the same time.

Why is everyone always bitching about what is and isn't canon, HAL has literally said that it's all up to interpretation, so clearly they don't give a shit and just consider everything "canon" despite whatever contradictions might appear. If the creators can do that, so can you.

Because if you take it all at face value then the universes' greatest Warrior got his ass kicked like 5 separate times.

I doubt it, you have to remember that morpho is still around as well.

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Because he did, dipshit.

Morpho will get a redesign like that too probably.

that'd be cool I don't think he's one of the four heroes of the past juding by his descriptions.
>the eye in his sword is actually the eye from master xeanorts keyblade
now that'd be meta

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But each later appearance could be the first time that happens to him due to time fuckery

Not into kirby lore but a friend thinks he, meta knight, and morpho, were three of the four warriors that sealed Void?

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Kek

Nope, morpho is some apocalyptic borb that will one day bring upon judgement day that's sealed in a butterfly form for unknown reasons, meta knight seems too young or not powerful enough to be a hero of legend, the only hero we know about for sure is aeon (galatica) there are 4 heroes of legend according to the book of prophecy and the ancient scrolls which hyness references being striken from history.
the time fuckery is so bad that he gets flung into other universes and timelines, ancient tech is really powerful shit.

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He just wants to have sex

Morpho Knight was born of the Butterfly and Galacta Knight's pleas for life after being killed, he's not an ancient hero.

>Was one of the four heroes of legend. (summons heart spears in Super Kirby Clash)
>Was consumed by his power, becoming something like Aeon Hero (Dark)
>Was sealed by Hyness

How so? He was a hero who got possessed, that's literally what we see with Galacta Knight/Aeon Hero in Super Kirby Clash.

wonder if we will ever get any backstory like this for nightmare as we did with dark matter/void/zero family as of now he's just some crusty wizard that did bad shit because lol bad guy

the star rod does have links to nova which is ancient tech so there's plenty of room to expand his story.

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But galacta wasn't killed?

Why can't Morpho be both?

He's not posessed by anything, he concentrated some "dark power" bullshit.

morpho feels like his own entity I think he just used aeon as a conduit so he could take his true form, the butterfly does follow Kirby and meta knight around maybe he was trying to tap into them?

or I'm just grasping at straws, who knows.

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Galacta died, Nightmare just brought him back from time like they always do and that's if we even consider Super Kirby Clash canon.

btu

He's probably from the Dreamscape, considering that location was invented because Nightmare was going to be in the game (duh). The Dreamscape is inside Another Dimension, which is where the Ancients lived, and the Ancients likely used the Dreamscape as a model for the Fountains of Dreams (judging by its general design), and those are connected to the Clockwork Stars. It all comes full circle, even if Nightmare really is just an evil dude from there.

he was and he wasn't, see he was sealed in a place without time and space so he could be defeated endlessly but could come back but from his perspective it'd be the first time

time travel is a bitch.

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We litteraly have zero proof to say that Morpho is a an ancient warrior, especially when Star Allies depicts him as a grim reaper of sorts.

Sorry, I didn't mean possessed, I meant corrupted. Morpho's description states he was once a hero and then got corrupted, which is what we see with Galacta Knight (turning from Aeon Hero Light to Aeon Hero Dark).

Characters don't die just because they poof after being defeated.

Well that's probably true, however Morpho's description most likely refers to Morpho Knight himself when saying he's a "pure being (the Butterfly) twisted by a dark past" (Galacta Knight)

So because of Nightmare we have both of them in the same timeline now?

"day of judgement"
"pleas for life"
"reborn butterfly"

Star Allies says he was once a good guy and he's a Knight, we don't need the game to yell in all caps "YES HE IS A HERO YOU DUMBFUCK". This is Kirby, it's always minimalistic.

That's in a spin-off so it probably doesn't count, but I would expect HAL to do Something similar in future installments. They won't just leave out Galacta Knight like that.

Is the dreamscape thing just an excuse to have bad guys show up without them actually doing so? Seems like lots of them are dream versions but King-D mind and Aeon might be the real deal.

That's bullshit, why the hell would anyone write it up like that, that sounds like an illiterate trying to be cool

Where's the proof though? Because in every fight galactas been in, he flies away or is resealed after being defeated. He's never been shown blowing up so it's pretty safe to assume he hasn't died. Or at least hasn't died in any of the games.

Of course he was once a good guy it's a butterfly. And the butterfly then was reborn as a Knight because of the interaction with Galacta Knight. It's not complicated.

This thread is confusing me. Did I miss a lore dump or something related to pink borb?

you say that like sectonia and haltmann aren't dead as dirt.

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I mean it's not an awful lot of characters that actually show up there, so I doubt it's anything more than just a cool creative location that just somewhat fits into everything thematically.

Star Allies.

Star Allies and Super Kirby Clash both use Galacta Knight in confusing ways, maybe you missed them ?

What, you think he was literally just some random bitchass actual butterfly who just so happened to follow Kirby throughout an entire galaxy and by sheer happenstance turned into a person by mildly touching Galacta Knight? That shit's dumb as fuck.

basically galatica knight is one of the four heros that sealed the void heart that is in star allies, his real title is aeon hero.

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The Japanese description seems pretty straightforward in explaining that morpho is the butterfly. Not the fusion between galacta and the butterfly

We're literally told they're dead, that's more than just a visual effect.

He's referring to how Galactica gets disintegrated by the butterfly in star allies.
youtu.be/7zYjL6ZpXBw?t=148

Of course not, it would be too simple but they decided to make him the grim reaper according to his descriptions.Then, as said in the japanese text, he was turned into a knight because of "Galacta Knight's pleas for life".

The question is, was he anything before the butterfly? If Galacta Knight was punished by being sealed away in a crystal and basically being cursed to be trapped in time forever or whatever, Morpho Knight could've been cursed to become a butterfly. That would explain his more confusing descriptions.

"Reborn Butterfly"
"Brought into existence by the greatest warrior and reborn as a knight of doom"
"He has now completely mastered its NEW power" also in Morpho Knight's EX description

>Super Kirby Clash
Aww damn it I spoiled a boss

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But then that makes no sense based on morpho's description. He killed galacta so galacta would plea for life and he'd bring him back as morpho knight? For what purpose?

But how do we know that's all? Is he really supposed to just be a dumbass butterfly who acts as a grim reaper? That just sounds so fucking stupid. HAL must have something more up their sleeve. There's no reason for them to introduce us to the Four Heroes at the same time as introduce us to Morpho Knight and then not have the two be connected, especially now that it's basically confirmed that Galacta Knight is one of said Heroes. That's just bad storytelling.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Maybe that ancients sealed them because they didn't want anyone to oppose them. Like it was a power grab

that seems very likely to be the case
morpho's story is a mystery for the time being, whether he's one of the hero's of legend or a harbinger for the apocalypse we will have to wait and see.

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Maybe that's not all of Morpho Knight's story, but with all the info we have anything else like the hypothesis that he's an old hero is based on nothing.

Probably didn't expect Galacta to rage so much.

I'm not that far in super Kirby clash but I do recall seeing what I assume was morpho knight gear for sword. What do the descriptions say?

it says something about being a doom blade for the sword and something about judgement for the helmet if I recall.

"If something were to perish, this butterfly of paradise will come flying from somewhere on its day of judgement. After many years resonating with pleas for life, brought upon by the white knight dubbed the Galaxy's Strongest Warrior, they become the Knight from Hades, and make their descent. With their history being buried in darkness, fighting them should be impossible. The curtain on this dream-like battle rises!"

Okay so on second reading maybe morpho is the fusion between galacta and the butterfly. The questions then become where the fuck did the butterfly come from and does this mean galacta knight himself will never be seen again?

Don't really know the english version, but I remember it just reinforced the "pleas for life" thing.

Actually, I would have prefered to be left without answer, but Morpho Knight EX's Japanese description reveals the butterfly came from Another Dimension of all places.

I mean, that's how Galacta was for the longest time. He started out as just some random dude who just so happened to be the strongest person in Gamble Galaxy. All this temporal hero shit was added on over an entire decade. I think it's fair to assume that HAL intends for Morpho to be a recurring character like Galacta, and then it would only make sense for him to be a Hero as well. Like why else would they even invent the character

But where does President Parallel Susie fit in all of this.

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>Like why else would they even invent the character

Because beta metaknight's design was cool and or because people were sick of galacta knight battles.

But this is Kirby we're talking about, characters like him are never "just because"

I think its more likely that we're misinterpreting "pleas for life" maybe it just means galacta was sick of being stuck between space and time. Somebody can say they want to be alive without being dead. It just implies that their current life is shit

Or maybe they're just satisfied with his strange role of judge.

what the fuck are you doing HAL

Wait really, can you post that?

It would make more sense if it referred to the scene where Galacta disappears just before the fight with this description.

even though we're all disagreeing this lore discussion is sick af

Probably was when sakurai made him.

but this is nu-Kirby, not saku-Kirby

>Aeon hero
Sounds badass. What's his Japanese name?

Source : What is Kirby canon ? - Morpho Knight by Meteorz.

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But then why would the butterfly even want to kill galacta? And then why merge with him? There are too much plotholes with that theory

wonder if there ever was a Parallel Halt, maybe she over threw him in that world and star dream doesn't exist in that world?

food for thought.

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Galacta has never been defeated in a canon setting.

Sometimes I wonder if the employees at HAL even communicate with each other at all. What the hell is this shit, why does everything have to be from Another Dimension

Paradiscal butterfly or Lor butterfly?
Also Ex morpho and Dark aeon hero look really similar now that I look at then

First, it's not a theory. It's what the game says.
Second, the butterfly is describe as a being of judgement, so that's probably why he kills Galacta.
And finally about merging, it's the whole pleas for life thing, Galacta wanted to come back to life and the butterfly was twisted by his desire into Morpho Knight.

See and

I'd eeven say the markings on Morpho Knight are eerily similar to Aeon Hero Light and Dark's markings.

Honestly I have no idea about President Parallel Susie. The name implies it's Parallel Susie, but their skin isn't even the same. Maybe some kind of dream version because it's in the Dreamscape ? I don't know.

>wonder if there ever was a Parallel Halt
Kinda has to be given he's regular Susie's father
>maybe she over threw him in that world and star dream doesn't exist in that world?
Or she got corrupted by parallel star dream? She didn't look all that healthy

I tink HAL doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. A butterfly lands on Galacta and he becomes a new character? What?

>dream world
>land of the dead
What places are these referring to?
And why do they keep referring to the butterfly as one that came from "Paradise"? This makes it seem like the kirby universe has a heaven and hell. And why the emphasis on calling the butterfly black and referring to galacta as the white knight ?

Characters change colors all the time in Kirby. She's probably just Parallel Susie EX but with a fancier title.

It creates all kinds of new headcannon and fan theories so its doing something right.

It honestly just seems like they wanted it to sound cool and edgy. Star Allies doesn't exactly have the best written lore in the franchise, despite how they basically retconned almost everything.

>Parallel Susie EX? Fuck that native shit call me President

Well the location where Parallel Susie appears, the Decisive Battlefield seems very similar to Another Dimension and Parallel Susie enters and leaves the zone with star-portals. Maybe it's like Susie in our dimension, she had an accident and was teleported in Another Dimension and then back into hers. If we don't count Super Kirby Clash, which makes the rematch non-sensical, Team Kirby Clash implies she's from the Mirror World so it would make sense.

Super Kirby Clash still makes perfect sense if we assume that the Mirror World can connect to Another Dimension as well.

user if the game were that explicit we wouldn't be debating this. I can buy the butterfly being a grim reaper because of Japanese mythology but to just assume that galacta REEEE' d hard enough to persuade the butterfly to undo his death is dumb

Land of the dead was then translated as nightmare in English, but actually even basic Morpho Knight's description implies a hell apparently ? As for the term "paradisaical" I think it's probably just a fancy way to say he's pure or good.

I mean it's pretty clear the butterfly and galacta fused together. Haven't you ever watched Dragon ball?

Probably with the Black Dimensionnal Mirror.

I'd say it's dumb, but it's what's the description says. I could make my own Kirby lore, but theorizing implies we're using proof.

Now I really wonder why that butterfly has been stalking Kirby so much.

What did star allies retcon?

It doesn't appear in Super Kirby Clash, it's a sequel.

>the dumbass spider fell for the mirror not once not twice but THREE TIMES
magolor is going to extort him blind and marx is going to use him for something nefarious.

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Yes ?

Everything about Dark Matter and Zero, and potentially Kirby as well. They fucked up Galacta Knight even more, and in general the story of Star Allies is extremely poorly written.

Wasn't the place the ancients were from referred to as paradise?

黄泉の国 is a tangible place in japanese folklore. You could even go visit it until a god sealed the entrance after being horrified by witnessing his dead wife.

Oh you meant that Another Dimension has a Mirror too, or what?

No, it's Halcandra. But they used the Lor Starcutter, and "Lor" apparently means paradise in Hyness's language.

She doesn't. She's literally just there. She's probably Mirror Susie who was flung into Another Dimension, just like the real Susie. There, she probably created Parallel Landia by showing the Mirror to the real Landia.

Could you explain a bit more. I'm trying to connect the pieces in my head. What changed about zero?

>Paradise Starcutter
If the lor in Magalor means paradise then what does Maga mean?
I swear if one of you idiots go there

I meant that the Black Dimensionnal Mirror from Team Kirby Clash Deluxe probably links Another Dimension and the Mirror World the same way the golden one is a link between the main dimension and the Mirror World.

Well What is the place like? Maybe we can find something similar in kirby lore

There's speculation he's either a future version of meta knight or an evil alternate universe (which exists in kirby canon) of mk

>Real world and mirror world both connect to the same another dimension

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Has it ever been proven that another dimension doesn't have it's own version of the mirror world? Because otherwise I'd say its safe to assume it does.

Zero is no longer just a pure evil being, and he's no longer the progenitor of Dark Matter either. Now Void is the progenitor, and Void is not purely evil but can be either good or evil depending on the energy you feed him. Zero is some sort of incarnation or descendant or whatever the fucking hell of evil-Void, and supposedly Kirby is one of good-Void. It's all incredibly stupid and far-fetched, and given the game's poor writing I wouldn't pay too much attention to it. A future game will probably fix it.

Why would they even include a mirror if it didn't link to the mirror world

Dimension just means a spatial extent. It doesn't have to be a different universe, could just be a place that isn't commonly accessible, like where you usually end up fighting a final boss.

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That's bullshit tho

I mean its not it's own word in magalor. Thats like saying the ice in rice somehow implies rice is related to frozen water

Because it's linked to the Mirror World, simple as that. Both the Black and golden mirrors connect their dimensions with the Mirror World.

>Trying to give void love
But that hurts iT

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In order for a Mirror character to exist, the real-world counterpart must have been reflected in a Dimensional Mirror. So for Dark Taranza to exist, the real Taranza must have been reflected, which we know happened in Triple Deluxe's backstory. Sure HAL could just go "lol okay but this one is actually Parallel Taranza's clone" but they haven't done that, so I'm just using Occam's Razor here and assuming the most simple and logical probability is true

Parallel Landia, Dark Taranza and Parallel Susie all come from the world beyond the dark mirror. Taranza comes from Floralia, Susie from the main dimension and Landia from Another Dimension so both dimensions probably share the same Mirror World.

Give it a few games. Maga will probably be translated as forgotten or some junk.

So what outside forces influenced void to become good/evil? Seems like something is missing. Maybe evil and good energy come from that dream land and land of the dead from morpho's description

Void is the progenitor of all these forces but then differenciate itself, explaining how he became Void Termina, a god of destruction.

halcandra isn't in another dimension, another dimension is the space between worlds, halcandra is really far away from pop star so you need to use extra dimentional roads to get there

the star cutter essentially opens rifts to another dimension to get to places further away.

Halcandra is said to be in Another Dimension.

"And a promise is a promise. I owe you a trip to my home. A trip to...Halcandra! Halcandra exists in another dimension. It's SUPER far away, but the Lor can fly us there in the blink of an eye! Pack some snacks, Kirby. We're off to Halcandra!”
— Magolor • Kirby's Return to Dream Land

So we agree then

Alright I'm gonna need some source on that one. What you're saying is void was good and evil from the get go? That sounds like some bs

But is that the some dimension? I mean the A isn't capitalized there

man it really seems like it wasn't there, that opens alot more questions for sure, guess that means hyness was banished to the normal world for his crimes.

makes perfect sense for nova and star dream to be outside of it since they have the same parts as the star cutter as well, this shit runs deep.

Source : What is Kirby Canon ? - Void Termina DX

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Another Dimension isn't always capitalized, for exemple it's not in Star Allies or in Planet Robobot.

If this is true and lor means paradise, that basically means whenever they say paradise, they're referring to another dimension. If the parallel world is paradise, maybe that means the normal universe is the "land of the dead". But then that leaves the "dream land". Maybe dream land refers to the mirror world

It's not like it's some random butterfly. HAL has been building up to Morpho Knight since Super Star Ultra.

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>Maybe dream land refers to the mirror world
If they wanted to refer to the Mirror World they wouldn't describe it as "Dream Land"

Or HAL just used the generic butterfly asset they've been using for years because it was easy

So how does this mean zero is no longer evil? Couldn't pure evil theoretically spawn from void as void is just the basis for energy and life?

it'd make more sense for dreamland to be paradise and another dimension to be the land of the dead since it was abandoned and nothing but old abandoned factories, the ancients seem to be long dead, a corrupted aeon hero or void wiped them out by the looks of it.

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The fact that it lands on Kirby constantly takes on a new context.
>damn you pink thing let me absorb you

Zero is still evil himself, it's just that before Star Allies, he was the biggest baddest purest evil there was. Now he's just some dumb kid born from a being that encompasses both good and evil.

nobody suspects...the borbor-fly

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Zero is dead.
But yes, pure good and pure evil spawn from Void.

Why wouldn't they? The hub in amazing mirror was very dreamlike with clouds and rainbows

Then it would make sense for the game to refer to him as a grim reaper, if Another Dimension is referred to as the/a land of the dead. It kinda changes the entire context around him, actually.

It's possible that there are more from kirby'race that gave up the inhale ability by wearing a mask to focus on swordmanship, fortunately Kirby doesn't seem to grow up.

When did Kirby turn into power level shit? I mean, I'm not complaining REALLY, it's just I want 03 damnit. Nothing can live up to the hype at this point

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The hub is literally just the sky. Also it's not enough for one single area to be "dream-likey" for them to over a decade later describe that entire universe as "Dream Land". The Mirror World is not a dream, so that description doesn't fit.

Kirby was just an ordinary race of people prior to what, Amazing Mirror? Now he's supposedly a completely unique being who contains infinite power and is potentially the spawn of good-Void

>03
You literally got that in star allies. Or at least negative zero

astral birth is basically zero three lore wise.

Void is nothing like Zero battle-wise though. And design-wise he's nowhere near as cool or interesting.

It didn't, you're confusing lore for power levels

Zero Three would be another resurrection of Zero, Astral Birth Void is like Zero Zero

Normally I'd agree with you but morpho's descriptions basically confirm that another dimension is or was "paradise". They straight up say the butterfly is from another dimension while also saying it was from paradise.

It seems that the good Void spawned the prodigy Kirby based from the beings that sealed him especially Galacta Knight, both him and Meta look exactly like Kirby without mask but with a different color.

The other Kirbies we've seen were also different colours.

perhaps in ancient times, dreamland was devoid of life and A.D was the paradice but shit hit the fan.

Kirby Right Back At Ya is what started the whole "Kirby is actually Dark Matter" thing.

Also, Sakurai worked on it and approved every script.

Pretty sure it's just a part of the backstory that the developers work with but are never allowed to put in game.

Good Lord people the ancient heroes are the 4 Kirby's in Kirby clash. Y'know cuz it's fantasy a setting? Waddle Dee even says it at the end of the game

Isn't it though? Dreams are just a jumbled reflection of memories and thoughts much like the mirror world was seemingly a jumbled mess or at least that's what it seems like. And if the mirror world isn't "dream land" then by elimination it has to be the "land of the dead"

No, the four Heroes sealed Void Termina, not Aeon Hero Dark. So unless they suddenly say that they then went on to fight Void Termina in-between games, there's no way to say that.

Sakurai also wanted the anime to be completely different from the games, hence why lore doesn't carry over between the two.

The timeline doesn't allow for that. The Four Heroes of old sealed Void away eons ago, while Kirby Clash features Susie and Taranza and other characters who were born in present-time.

Astral Void is hinted to be the progenitor of Dark Matter.

There is abso-fucking-lutely no information in any games or canon supplementary information (such as instruction booklets or interviews) about Zero or Zero 2. We can infer anything we want, but there has never been a word from ANY one at Hal about Zero. They basically pretend it doesn't exist.

They did 02. I'd rather they go with √0 so that we can get an amazing send off, rather than just more escalating power levels.

I think they just went back and retconned it. I don't think anyone would actively plan something like that for too long.

Just 'cuz they're both spheres doesn't mean they're the same thing

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I forget if they actually name-dropped Dark Matter or if they just said "dark power" or "a matter dark". Because I don't want to say Void is Dark Matter's new retconned creator if it's not explicitly the case.

Wouldn't that prove my point though? Unless you're a different user or you're saying they swapped names as time passed. That would be super confusing if at one point both places were referred to as both names

Not only is Star Allies a bad game but god damn even the fucking writing and lore is bad as well. This is the only game that has ever been this confusing and this convoluted and has sparked this much arguing and discussion. We're like 1½ years post release and we still can't agree on anything.

Why in the FUCK do people ignore their fragment?

>Did they name drop Dark Matter?

Not in Star Allies, no.

It's refered to as "ancestor of the origin", a "dark god", and "progenitor of Dark Energy".

Void is Zero Zero because
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I think it's a good thing that parts of the lore are vague and left to interpretation, it adds to discussion and most of us are pretty civil about it.

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Wouldn't it be possible then that it's just a unique, independent evil being? I mean, Star Allies is all about references and jerking off to the older games, just because Void imitates Kirby, Zero and Dark Matter in its blob form doesn't necessarily mean that Void IS all of those things. Not to mention that Star Allies loves to be extremely vague and "poetic" in its writing (see Morpho Knight's extremely weird Japanese descriptions), so the line between "this is canon" and "this is just a reference/for symbolic purposes" is extremely blurred.

Usually I like that too, I loved it pre-Star Allies a lot. But with Star Allies, the things they touch on and change and update and retcon just annoys the fucking hell out of me. Leave Dark Matter and Zero alone if you're not gonna be straightforward about your changes.

Planet Robot did it well. Nova came back, ancients building ships, we saw the origin of Pix and see how it tied in with previous games, among many other things.

Star Allies is looking to straight retcon stuff but we're not even sure how.

void is to zero what dark mind is to zero: an alternate counterpart from another universe.

either that or he's the grand daddy of them all.

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They didn't retcon anything you fucking sperglord.

I mean it's not just SA. Everything after robobot really piled the lore on heavy. Which isn't a bad thing in my opinion. We just need answers to specific questions

The first Void we fight is from Kirby's dimension, so not an alternate version.

I really hope the next kirby goes into a wild direction, because if SA is anything to go off of nu-kirby is fucking dead

Personally hoping they try amazing mirror again, with modern tech I'd be pretty fun

Absolutely. We get very little confirmation about it, and have had very little confirmation about anything Dark Matter related anyways.

Is it likely that it's 100% independent? Probably not due to how they're trying to set it up, but the Kirby team gave themselves enough wiggle room that they could go either way without having to retcon everything.

Kirby Clash does it in a nice way, it's vague but you can still find heads and tails in it, and it connects things in a nicely manner. SA just forces Void into lore that was already finished and didn't need nor really have room to be expanded this way, imo.

He's the dad. Void transcends all dimensions.

Me too, I'm kinda tired of the direction they've been going lately. Another AM would be fucking cool, or something completely new.

That's really nice.

You'd think that, but the Morpho Knight concept art that everyone thinks was a beta Meta Knight design was created during Return to Dream Land's development.
The butterfly in SSU might be a coincidence but they've been planning to use Morpho since around RtDL.

>since around RtDL.
It was made when they were working on that unfinished GC kirby game.

Just like all daddies

The only real lore is Hyness' rant. His people worshipped Void (Who was a neutral spess being but can be influenced to good and evil) and apparently helped stop a great disaster in the past. The Halcandra's betrayed his people and banished him to the other side of the universe (Popstar) and he sought to revive the now corrupted Void to get revenge.

That's the gist of it. The confusing shit comes from that fighting game where for some reason every awful recolor gets it's own description which makes Sonic look sane.

How about we compile a list of unanswered questions so we know what to look for in the next kirby game. I guess I can start with "who are the remaining ancient heroes assuming galacta is one?"

Yup, they made it extremely ambiguous on purpose.

Bottom line:
>Void is the origin of SOMETHING Dark in the universe.
>Dark Matter still existed as of Planet Robobot
>There is absolutely no information on Zero beyond what is seen in Dreamland 3 and 64.

giving zero and dark matter an origin story is interesting to me at least, it didn't really retcon anything that wasn't already established, zero was a being of pure negative emotions making him a relative void doesn't change what zero his because he never had an origin to begin with, just like dark nebula being related didn't change jack shit
I would love a sleep paralysis demon that had ties to nightmare, that be rad.

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I thought the Super Star Ultra pause blurb stated Galacta Knight purposely sealed himself because he considered himself too powerful. Though I could be remember this entirely wrong, it's been some years.

The design was made for the unfinished GCN Kirby game, which they've been pulling stuff from in every single game ever since. I don't think they were "planning" or building anything up, they were just doing what they've been doing for an entire decade: reuse the scrapped content.

Dark Mind is Dark Matter's counterpart not Zero's.

I like how simple Clash is. Nightmare really is just a wizard who likes to dick with Peoples dreams. Technically it's not the actual Nightmare either, it's whatever Paralel World is.

How about "Was Morpho Knight anything before being a butterfly or is he actually just a magic butterfly?"

His Japanese name is "Another Nightmare" just like the Parallel incarnations from Star Allies created by the interactions with the Jamba Heart. No idea what that means from the character except he's from Another Dimension.

Nope, it states he was sealed, I'll see if I can find it.

He also keeps getting pulled across time and space by wizards and magic wishing machines - dude is fucking PISSED all the time.

Also, SSU is his chronological last apperance, since he straight up dies, whereas every other time he fucks off or gets sealed. I love how the first time we see him is the last time he sees us.

Wait can somebody post the hyness rant? I feel like it could be connected to morpho's description

Nova said he was sealed by ancients in that game
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I like that too. Most Kirby game are super simple and the D E E P L O R E comes from how all the simple things connect together across games to create something bigger.

so what do you all think of the theory that kirby is just void but with positive energy instead of negative

We are the masters of a power driven to the far reaches of the universe, and we have but one desire! Can one such as you possibly fathom how dearly we have clung to this dream across the aeons? How could you! You couldn't! Never ever ever! We who once faced those who were in such fear of our power that they sealed us away and banished us to the edge of the galaxy! US! As if THAT loveliness wasn't enough, they tried to erase our very existence from history! RUDE! Only through our magic were we able to overcome their science and achieve great prosperity! We alone were responsible for stopping that repulsive nightmare of a galactic crisis, yet this is how you repay us! This won't stand! It won't be forgiven! It won't be forgotten! Never ever EVER! Those who called us mad, are you listening? You left us at the edge of the galaxy to be forgotten, then went along your merry way, probably living somewhere pretty and peaceful! But know this! Your future is a farce! You have none! We, masters of a matter most dark, vow to be restored, as foretold in the book of legend, which everyone thought was just a fairy tale! It WASN'T! We have already obtained the vessel that contains our Dark Lord, and he will soon awaken and shower us in compassion! Look! The vessel of our Dark Lord is filling up even as we speak! Now the time for his greatness to enter our world has come! Welcome to a new history! A new age! The age of awesome! HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DARK LORD! HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Grace us, Gloriously Dark Looooooord!

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Actually that prefix means absolutely nothing. The Parallels in Star Allies were clones made by the Jamba Hearts corrupting those Whispy/Kracko/Dedede/Meta's spirits (or some shit like that in the Japanese version), while the Parallels in Kirby Clash Deluxe are their own beings, with their own lives, personalities and motives. Parallel Dedede only existed for a single battle, but Parallel Susie has existed long enough to become President of her world's version of Haltmann Inc.

so are they ever going to expand on that planet in 64 that looks exactly like earth?

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According to Smash 4 directed by Sakurai Meta and likely Galacta can inhale, but the result was not as effective as Kirby does with it.

Stupid

>we were the ancients all along

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>What is Kirby's Origin?
>Who are the Ancients?
>Is Nightmare an Ancient?
>Where are the Halacandrans now?
>How many parallel dimensions are there?
>How many weapons did the Ancients make?
>Who are the 4 warriors?
>Why is Rick the only entity outside of Kirby and Dark Matter that can copy abilities by ingesting enemies?
>Who did Galacta Knight fight?
>Where is Dark Matter hiding since it still exists?
>Zero... What the fuck?

>We alone were responsible for stopping that repulsive nightmare of a galactic crisis,
Is this direct at Galacta knight or someone else?

Oh that’s pretty neat

> we were the ancients all along

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It’s probably Galacta yea. Think about it, Hyness’ people worshipped Void as a god and Galacta sealed their god away. Of course they would be fucking pissed at him and seal him away too.

Does galacta actually die in ssu ? I know his wings come off and he "explodes" but then how do we explain his constant reappearances? And don't just say "lol magic, dawg" unless you're gonna point to a specific magic user like hyness or some shit

It is not.

We have no fucking clue what he's talking about. Dude went fucking loony.

The Halcandrans were the ancients that worshipped Void. That's why they used its power to make things like the master crown.

>sakurai but really, idk
>a bunch of mad scientists with crazy universe tearing, time fucking, soul ripping tech
>who knows
>most likely dead or watching from the shadows like hyness implied
>3
>depends if things like the rainbow sword count or just the cosmic tech
>hamster powers
>void termina
>borb land or stuck on the rainbow sword that susie stole somehow
>it was marx austin, it was marx all along

Thinking about parallel Susie I assume she was sent off to another dimension too. Otherwise her name would/should be Parallel Susan if she never had that accident like regular Susie.

He gets pulled through time and space, as stated by SSU, Robobot, RtDL, etc. He doesn't experience time linearly like everyone else.

Most of the time, he either appears in a Crystal or flies in, or he gets flies away or gets sealed in a Crystal. SSU is the only time we see him literally explode. That's his last experience - he fought in RtDL, Robobot, etc. before getting pulled into SSU.

reminder alternate universes exist in kirby, that's the weird mk universe where he murders all his men and blows up his own ship so yes he "dies" but it's only one version of infinite ones

welp, better get building universal soul ripping machines for shits and giggles then.

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Wonder what they did to ther other 3 then. If they ever met

No, the Jambandrans were the ones who worshipped Void, the Halcandrans were the ones who sealed the Jambandrans away. The Master Crown is the only thing the Halcandrans have ever made that connected to Dark Matter, and it seems more like a prison than a weapon considering that the Dark Matter within is still sentient and can control its wearer.

Wait so did hyness and the ancients all live in another dimension before hyness's people were banished to the normal universe? Or does this confirm that halcandra isn't in another dimension? Because then wouldn't he say they were banished to another dimension instead of saying they were banished to the edge of the galaxy?

That's true, good catch

Source? How do we know they aren't all just heart clones or they don't all have past lives?

Either Galacta Knight or Nightmare.

>tfw no Meta Knight game final boss fight where he's about to lose and uses his inhale powers to completely change his style on the fly.

The four Heroes sealed Void away together, so I'd assume they're all a team of Knights. I'd like to believe Morpho was one of them, but right now the lore surrounding him is just too messy to say.

That begs the question of whether Jambandra Base is where they were banished to, or if it's Hyness' ship that he used to go to Kirby's dimension/galaxy/system.

yeah that's why I suggested halcandra was in dreamland far away from pop star, AD seems like a boarder world like xen from half life.

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Citation needed

The ones in Kirby Clash Deluxe have nothing to do with the Jamba Hearts since Star Allies didn't even exist yet, and now AFTER Star Allies we see that Parallel Susie has become the President of her own world's version of Haltmann Works. She wouldn't have her own company or even a world to call her own if she was just a Jamba Heart clone.

The ones in Star Allies were both created and destroyed in Star Allies. The ones in Kirby Clash Deluxe have existed for indefinite periods of time and are described as coming from their own worlds, which the Parallels in Star Allies do not. Also President Parallel Susie.

Ehh I don't buy it. Especially since galacta is now merged with the butterfly and has become morpho. Wouldn't he have died as morpho unless something in the next game pulls them apart? Not to mention that would mean galacta got progressively weaker if he dies to a weaker earlier version of meta knight

what's interesting about pres. susie is that her mech has different symbols on the arms and looks bigger.

guess susie overthrew halt in that world, wonder if he's dead there too.

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Well he does mention something about them flourishing so I'm assuming the base isn't where they were banished to and they have a world somewhere. Whether in the DL universe or AN is the question

How does that make sense with what happened in Super Kirby Clash? He looks completely different now.

GIVE US ANSWERS HAL

Why does Galacta have to die in Super Star Ultra? Plenty of bosses explode and then return again in later games, or heck even in the same game. The only characters we know for 100% sure are dead are Sectonia and Haltmann, and that's because the games literally said they died, not because they had a fancy defeat animation.

gooey was the master mind behind it all, turns out he's related to a dragon quest slime.

all hail lord gooey

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What happened to this bird nigga? Did he die?

>Haltman's second battle suit was made of gold
Guess what Pres Susie's suit was made of

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SKC is literally a parallel universe.

Marx also died and had his soul ripped asunder and came back just fine in star allies, same with magalor

soul destruction isn't cannon...unless it's halt or sectiona there dead forever suck shit taranza.

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So is Galacta the same species as Kirby, like Meta Knight?

I don't remember the parallel incarnations being destroyed. Source?

Why the fuck is there so much lore? Just make DeDeDe the Bowser of these games. The only villain who matters in the end.

He's terranort.

Not out right confirmed but it's pretty obvious

But how does that prove the others aren't like her ?

you have to remember that galatica/ aeon transends time and space it could be the same guy, bandana says someone will defeat him in the future

time travel hurts my brain

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>possession
>time travel
>talk of hearts
>cluster fuck of lore

we kingdom hearts: poyo edition now

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[citation needed]

I think's less "being non-canon" and more "HAL wanted this so now go make up an excuse for how it could happen"

DeDeDe has been the villain a grand total of once. And he was a Saturday morning cartoon villain that one time.

Currently, Dark Matter is the Kirby series Ganon/Bowser, having shown up as the story boss 4 times.

Most likely. Kinda fucked up that meta never mourns his loss

Because there's nothing connecting them as characters AT ALL outside of the title prefix. Their backstories are different, their usages by their games are different, their lore are different, everything is different. Parallel Susie is from a universe where she runs a company, Parallel Dedede was made up on the spot and destroyed on the spot again. Also the Jamba Hearts weren't even a thing in TKCD.

Why are there so many fucking alternate dimensions?
There's the regular world, then there's the Mirror World, and then there's Another Dimension. I thought the Mirror World was supposed to be the parallel version of Dream Land but now there's all of these "parallel" characters coming from Another Dimension. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mirror World has its own version of Another Dimension at this point.

They didn't come back. The Dream Rod literally takes someone from Kirby's dreams and brings them to life. If Kirby can dream it, they come back.

That's why Nightmare and Zero aren't Dream Friends, since they cause him nightmares and not dreams.

It seems that the Mirror World and the Real World share the same Another Dimension, since mirror-Dedede shows up through both a Mirror and an Another Dimension portal.

he was the villain in the spin off's and battle roya-

oh who the fuck am I kidding? dudes just a hungry fat cunt who does the right thing in the end.

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No user means Samurai pulls a Sticker Star on the series. DeDeDe as the final boss and only villain in all games.

DeDeDe has never been a villain. He was the antagonist in the first game because he stockpiled food for later.

In every other game he's been... Well, straight up your friend.

That's fanfiction though, there's nothing it the game alluding to that AT ALL outside of it being called "Dream" Rod, which in this franchise means NOTHING.

>gooey isn't really there
you shut your whore mouth.

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See

It literally says it the first time you walk into it - "Friends from Kirby's dreams...".

wonder how bowser would look possessed by a Kirby villain.

...that'd be sweet.

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Parallel Kracko is destroyed. It’s fair to assume the other three got destroyed as well when the Jamba Heart and Astral Birth Void were destroyed and the pieces of Dream Land stuck in Another Dimension returned to normal.

He want to regain his dignity.

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The description for the Dream Palace, in English:
"This is the Dream Palace. You can meet a dream character here if you use the Dream Rod."
>Dream character
In Japanese, it translates to "ally from Kirby's dreams".

The Nightmare/Zero shit the other user mentioned is fiction, but the characters we're seeing sure as fuck are dream versions and not the real deal. I mean, you can fucking fight DDD with DDD - this should be pretty obvious.

That can be interpreted differently

Why would you assume that? Parallel kracko is very clearly shown exploding into nothingness while parallel meta flies off. Why would I assume parallel meta died ?

They also had their own pause descriptions stating why they had come of their own volition.

dudes had his shit slapped like what? 4 times now? he should just quit.

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Man this kirby lore sure is getting deep. Deep into galactas asshole

Because he was made by the Jamba Heart and now the Jamba Heart doesn’t exist anymore? Because HAL only invented him for a miniature boss rush and now don’t need him anymore?

No, it literally calls them dream characters.
All of which were just localizations, the Japanese version of each just explains a bit about the character.

What do the Japanese versions say?

>I mean, you can fucking fight DDD with DDD - this should be pretty obvious.
Uhm, no? You cannot recruit Dedede until you beat his boss battle. Sure you can go back to that level after recruiting him, but obviously that isn't canon. Same goes for Meta Knight, you cannot bring Meta Knight to your first Meta Knight fight. Plenty of games do this.

Isn't it stupid to argue over a recolor? Like how much value does the Parallels have to the story/lore when HAL only made them for a lazy miniature boss rush?

I mean, the locations, animations and everything surrounding them are just copy-pasted from the base game fights, just recoloured.

until then, we have Morpho Knight EX

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Hal could have easily tacked on ex or revenge or some other bs if they wanted to. Why even create Another dimension if it wasnt important to the lore. Making the assumption that every parallel counterpart is dead is dumb especially when the mirror counterparts came back after amazing mirror. I can easily see the parallel counterparts coming back in a future game

I mean, Another Dimension was important to the story, the Parallels were only there to pad out the game. They didn't have anything to do with anything, they were only there to add boss fights to the HiAD subgame.

OH MY FUCK

WE'VE SEEN THE FOUR WARRIORS

>Meta Knight: The Lone Swordsman
>Dark Meta Knight: The Dark Reflection
>Galacta Knight: The Temporal Warrior
>Morpho Knight: The Reborn Butterfly

WHAT THE FUCK, HAL'S BEEN WORKING TOWARDS THIS FOR SO FUCKING LONG

no

U H M why did no one talk about this??

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Why would we? Galacta Knight's been all but confirmed to be one of the 4 warriors. Those hearts just moves it from 99% certainty to 99.9%.

But there being another Jamba Heart means there's another Void Termina just waiting to hatch

How though? Theoretically everything could have happened in the normal universe. There was no need to create Another dimension. And with how expressive shit like the animations for the morpho galacta fusion were, you'd think if parallel meta and dedede died, theyd have shown that instead of showing them surviving. Theres zero proof that they died. And as for the recolor thing. You can say the same shit about dmk and shadow dedede

That's just another Heart Spear, which they used to fuck up Void.

That's not a Heart Spear, that's the crystalline completed Jamba Heart.

But dmk didn't appear until the events of AM so he can't be an ancient hero. Same with morpho. Galacta didn't fuse with the butterfly until recently.

>And with how expressive shit like the animations for the morpho galacta fusion were, you'd think if parallel meta and dedede died, theyd have shown that instead of showing them surviving
That's kinda my point, if HAL actually gave a shit about these characters they would have given them unique animations, but they didn't even care to do that. They're 100% copy-pastes in every single regard outside of like two new attacks. Dark Meta Knight was a done deal until they suddenly decided years later they wanted LORE about it, so unless they do something like that with these Parallels I'm just gonna assume they're chilling in Another Dimension for the rest of their days or disappeared with the Jamba Heart/Void.

delete this, orbs are not for lewd

I mean they've gotta do something with Another dimension. Otherwise, star allies has no damn legacy which makes it really stand out. I mean we already know it was rushed but it would be lame as hell if they just totally disregarded Another dimension from now on especially seeing as how they tried to tie it to the butterfly and void

Oh they're totally gonna use Another Dimension a LOT from now on, that's pretty obvious. But the Parallels not so much.

Future Meta Knight that got too obsessed with power after defeating Kirby

I mean if they're gonna continue the trend of a mandatory dedede fight and meta fight in every game, I'd be surprised if they didn't use the mirror world or parallel counterparts again. Or maybe we'll get yet another dimension in the next game.

>tfw couldn't play any of the dlc because my switch got stolen

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Kumazaki is a hyper autist that planned Void since Canvas Curse and themed every soul boss after it to build it up. I wouldn't be surprised if he intended it with the butterfly

Honestly makes sense

Kumazaki art blog and has concept art for Drawcia and Taranza before their games were even released.

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whoa

Honestly you didn't miss much lore wise and while most of the puzzles/levels were interesting, some were lame. So you didn't miss a ton

So, with Void "closing" the Dark Matter lore and SKC basically confirming Galacta as one of the Star Allies of old, do you think the SAs will be the next big "lore arc"?
I wonder if this will lead to canon timeline (and maybe playable) Galacta

I'll be dumping some descriptions for characters/bosses for the next posts.

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It's MAGOlor, first of all. And second of all, Mago doesn't have a meaning, but in the Japanese version, 'Mafo' (which is similar to Maho due to weird Japanese pronunciations of f/h), means lie. So at least part of Magolor's Japanese name "Mahoroa" means "liar". I just wonder if "Roa" also means paradise in the Japanese version. Magolor's name might literally be "false paradise".

to be a hero and to fuck up anyone who summons him or dares to challenge him, simple as

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His false paradise is thinking he'll be able to keep all that money he's getting from his little Microtransaction scheme

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Its all vague shit thats intentionally made to be vague shit.

No, Galacta Knight is not some WHOA SOOOOOO BADASS guy who will one day be important to the plot, he's just a nothing secret boss that will never be anything more then that.

Why do you people spout shit that never happened?

His website is still up you shitstain.

http //kumayou halfmoon jp/

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Reminder that Void exists in all universes in some form or another, and Zero was the main Kirby universe's incarnation of Void. Hyness got the Jamba Heart he used in SA from Another Dimension according to the Twitter posts leading up to HiAD which explains why an incarnation of Void could have existed while another incarnation was sealed away, and the portal that pulled Galacta out from Guest Star was intended to grab another Jamba Heart in an attempt to redo the game all over, basically. This also means that Dark Mind is totally the Mirror Dimension's Void.

Made this stupid shit months ago, is it missing any major borbs?

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Galacta should be Joborb

Are the clash games even canon?

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What the FUCK is the deal with Parallel Susie? When she first came around I thought she was supposed to be Mirror Susie cause she has D-Mind's logos but now that Parallel means 'Another Dimension' now it's getting me all confused. I mean, you can say she formed from Susie getting stuck in AD as a kid but the mirror symbols and the fact that she doesn't have Haltmann's hairclip and they point that out makes me think he IS Mirror Susie and unlike OG Susie she never got out of Another Dimension.

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its almost like they're making it up as they go along :^)

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I mean they probably are but both Parallel Susie and Landia are dubbed "Another" in Japanese, already implying a link to Another Dimension in the first place over the Mirror World and I don't even KNOW anymore

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technically Galacta knight and by extension Morpho has never had an actual 'canon' appearance
like every time he has appeared its been in either what if scenarios, Boss rushes or other side modes, none of which are canon to the main story
its why he always gets released from a crystal every time he appears

delet this

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Dark Meta Knight's just Meta Knight's reflection, he doesn't matter outside of the mirror.

This thread has the deepest fucking lore I've seen in any franchise.

F I N G E R S

Having more remixes of his theme

>super clash deluxe's online is still ass
>all that wasted vigor
And people think Smash has the worst online.

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I'm guessing they mean the people of floralia worshipped coily rattler. Kind of ironic they worship an animal that couldn't fly or even walk. Now that I think about it. How the fuck do they even know what a snake is? Are there cloud snakes flying around? Or maybe they worship it because they don't know what snakes are or rarely see them and they seem otherworldly

>a bunch of nips join your room
>zero lag, platinum medal
>steve, jim, and trevor join your room
>S L O W M O P O Y O
>bronze medal after one of them spends apples to extend time
why

You think the coily rattler statue was an ancient relic? What other power could they be talking about? I mean why else would these people worship this statue specifically?

Fearful of a certain insect? Taranza I'm assuming

>Pop Star (Main Universe)
>Another Dimension (An universe, probably created by Astral Birth Void, but used by the Ancients)
>Mirror World (An alternate universe that got corrupted by Dark Mind)
>Dream Kingdom (might be yet another alternate universe)
>Dreamscape (A place inside Another Dimension. Nightmare might be from there)
Am I missing anything?

Susie fucked dedede and used his cum for the clones

unless you're a monster with no soul or a person who become a monster with no soul or haltmann

So I guess it’s safe to assume that good news: Galacta is finally gone for good and they’ll stop shoving him in every game, but bad news: there’s a chance of more butterfly fuckery and TKC introducing the Aeon guys could carry over into main series games

So the doomers are from Another dimension? Explains why they look so weird

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Bro we knew that since RtDL it was super obvious

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>he’s a liar
>and even worse, he’s a WIZARD!

D E E P E R

It's all made up on the fly but man do they come up with a lot of cool ideas at the last second

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Wait. I'm assuming you're taking "dream kingdom" from morpho's description and interpreting it as a new place instead of a new name for an already existing place but where is the dreamscape thing coming from? Is that from SKC and I havent reached that part yet?

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I just have one hope for the next main series Kirby game: that at the very end, you see Kirby’s face swirl around.
I just want Void to be happy.

Team Kirby Clash, Team Kirby Clash Deluxe and Super Team Kirby Clash all take place in the Dream Kingdom.

The Dark Matter story is never closed

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>local cloud literally too angry to die

To be honest I think galacta is done for good. I think morpho's done too but there is a chance they'll bring him back. I just think he's done because of his "death animation" in star allies. It seems very matter of fact unlike meta or galactas defeat animations which implies things weren't over

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I mean we didnt technically know Another dimension was a thing until star allies

That's because the prefixes in English are fucked up, in Japanese it works perfectly well, the Star Allies ones are "Another versions" and Landia and Susie are referred as "Parallel".

Ah you're right I thought you meant all the "canon" or at least mainline places that exist

Maybe the energy source they're talking about is the one in the coily rattler statue

it's probably the energy of the atmosphere itself, as seen here

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One of the four heroes way back who dealt with Void Termina, who would later go on to get corrupted by Nightmare before successfully sealing him in the Fountain of Dreams, and then get sealed himself.
Now he's destined to only make non-canon boss fight appearances unless Kumazaki finally gives him a chance in the main story.

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So is Aeon Hero just a bad translation of Galacta Knight?

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But that description was technically for the hologram. And Why emphasize "mysterious power" just to say something bland and obvious like electrjcal power? Especially when they also say his attacks are stronger than normal. I'd assume he normally uses the electrical power from the atmosphere. So he has to be using something in addition to that

no, Aeon Hero IS Galacta Knight. It simply was his original title.

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Since when did kirby have this much lore? How do I catch up?

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This makes me wonder if krackos form any place that has clouds because of some energy permeating the universe. Maybe energy from void or something else

...so, what, Kirby Clash takes place in the past?

What is this from?

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Super Kirby Clash

Super Kirby Clash it's the TRUE final boss

Play the games. Or see if you can find a compilation of all the text from all mainline kirby games and certain spinoffs

Alternate universe with its own canon and events that aren't canon to the rest of the series, but has lore implications that DO apply to the rest of the series like the Galacta shit.

I have played most of the mainline games including star allies, but I never really bothered to look into the boss descriptions. Things just kinda went over my head it seems.

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Technically clash isn't even canon but some details seem too specific to not be seen as hints towards unanswered lore questions so in general people take pause screen descriptions as canon even if the in game events aren't canon.

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>implying we'll ever see galacta again

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>400+ reply thread about Kirby lore
Bros...

I like Kirby games as well, but c'mon.... it's a pretty simple series that hasn't really been shown to have any kind of overarching plot (at least not since the "Dark Matter Trilogy"). You shouldn't care more about the plot than the developers.

>Gamble Galaxy (Main Universe)
>Another Dimension (Birthplace of the Ancients)
>Mirror World (An alternate universe that got corrupted by Dark Mind)
>Floralia (Far away lands in the skies of Pop Star)
>Dream Kingdom (might be yet another alternate universe)
>Seventopia (Claycia's realm)
>Patch Land (Prince Fluff's realm)
>Drawcia's World of Paint maybe ?

user...

t.

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Oh wait here I fucked up, now I don't understand Parallel Landia and Susie anymore.

You underestimate Sakurai, apparently.

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Well I mean the lore isn't exactly set in stone. It's more like we have certain facts and people fill in the blanks as we get more info from every game. There are YouTube videos with theories or you could read the wiki

Invalid, Galacta Knight litteraly kills Parallel Nightmare.

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Boss descriptions in Super Star Ultra, the 3DS games, Return to DreamLand and Star Allies. Also Meteorz's channel is very helpful and well documented.

aight ty anons, will check those sources out

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What are you talking about? Magolor flat out says Halcandra is in another dimension.

>read the wiki
Don't do that.

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These screens are nice and all, but the translated japanese texts would have been better.

But then why even write all these pause screen descriptions hinting at previous lore? Why is the hyness rant even a thing? They could have easily made him marx tier "I just wanna fuck shit up because I'm evil lmao" but they didn't. They might not have a super clear story line in their heads but there's certainly an underlying story there

I have some as well

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another dimension not Another dimension. Different things

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>im-fucking-plying Parallel Nightmare is the same as Nightmare and isn't just a stand-in for gameplay purposes
>im-fucking-plying the events seen in SKC's gameplay are canonical and/or exact to the rest of the series
The point is, it's established that Galacta and Nightmare ARE related to some capacity, and that the best bet for a renowned hero such as him to suddenly go bad, with the implications and material we've been given, was that he got fucked over by Nightmare while trying to seal him away.
Hell, him turning into Aeon Hero (Dark) by absorbing dark energy and then getting sealed in the very same crystal he's usually seen in AFTER Parallel Nightmare's involvement with him was through is a pretty sound indicator of what took place in the proper lore.

>http //kumayou halfmoon jp/
that website doesn't seem right

I dont see any kirby art anywhere

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there is one, of Drawcia.

I love how Kracko is aware of Doc’s machine from Squeak Squad and got jealous.

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Same goddamn thing. Robobot even says "extra dimension" for the sphere doomers, Star Allies says "another" while the place is clearly the same.

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They're not fucking related, "galactic nightmare" is just an expression. The animation before Aeon Hero Light and Dark's transformations are nearly the same except Dark makes more references to Star Allies and is more powerful, it's probably some bullcrap like "he got corrupted by his own power and became a menace".

I mean it's obviously the same in retrospect but at first glance it seems like any old flimsy dimension while Another dimension is very clearly a specific dimension out of the million that likely exist in the kirby universe

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> 400+ replies on a kirby lore thread
You guys are ok sometimes

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Are you retarded, or just retarded?
Because you are definitely retarded.

Another Dimension is the same place in Star Allies and RtDL. It is where Halcandra is located. The Ancients lived there.
Once again: you are retarded.

I never expected a dead simple game like kirby to have so much lore.

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user, calm your autism. See

I still don’t know how they can explain away Dedede fighting Dedede or Meta Knight fighting Meta Knight. They didn’t get different boss pause text explaining it because it’s the same for Story Mode and all Guest Star modes.

Now, here's a question. Why the fuck did Meta Knight flew alone to protect the Sacred Square? What's so important about it?

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I mean Idk seems pretty sacred. I cant put my finger on why I think that though

Calm your own autism. You're clearly making a difference between two things which have proof and logical sense to be the same.

The Sacred Square could be a ruin related to the Aeon Heroes and Star Allies. Or maybe a “Star Warrior” thing. Put in quotes because that’s an anime canon title and not technically the same, and the last time I mentioned it some user got ads lasted about it.

Assblasted. Fucking autocorrect.

user Why are you so flustered over this? I was simply pointing out something new we learned. Before it was "oh look. these creatures seem to come from a different dimension." Now it's "oh look these creatures come from this very specific dimension called Another dimension" pretty simple. I'm not even sure why my comment was controversial in the first place. It's not very consequential in the grand scheme of things

Being Jobborb

One of Drawcia, one of Taranza, even a Dragon Quest fan-art.

There is some eye pictures which people thought was Zero but Kuzumi said they weren't Zero, he just felt like drawing eyes.

He's also uploaded one of the picture his Daughter drew. He's active on Instagram.

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Isn't the star rod one of the hyroglyphs on void termina's Body or was that the love love stick?

I dunno, the last time Meta Knight flew as a motherfucker to save something, was back in Amazing Mirror, when he flew to the Mirror World in an atempt to stop Dark Mind's influence from corrupting Pop Star as well.

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don't look to into it, Qbby was also tattooed onto his body. they're most likely easter eggs.

What’s with the 4 warriors thing? This is the first I’ve heard of this.

The sacred square must be some ancient ruins or something. I mean if the floralians have ancient statues, I could see pop star having some ancient shit on the surface too. Have they ever mentioned where he got his sword? Maybe he found it there

what this user said. You can also see Meta Knight's mask and even Dark Nebula there.

I'm pretty sure it was in star allies. The four heroes sealed void back in the day

Which ones are supposed to be Drawcia and Taranza?

I really cant tell

Maybe it's that it wasn't important, so didn't receive any protection from anyone. But Metaknight, being a chivalrous hero, set out to protect the little guys.

They've been posted eariler.

Taranza. (Bob white hair and horns and red scarf)

Drawcia (Which heart, Soul eyes in her body, tail extends to the paintrbrush)

Plush each of the pictures are in Japanese refering to them.

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Sounds like the butterfly has Galacta's power and now uses it to bring heaven or hell on the judgement day

>that shit is Taranza
ok, wtf?

>Most powerful warrior in the universe
>Can't even beat the guy Kirby beats up all the time.

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they are all Borbs so it makes sense that they would be on equal footing

His art style is... pretty weird.

Its like he's put his art into one of those algorithm image generators but these pictures come from as early as 2004.

>Dark Meta Knight is the "darkest shadow of the strongest warrior"
wait, does that means that Meta Knight has that title now?

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he gained that title in SSU

Wait wtf? Dmk is that old? But I thought something had to be reflected in the mirror to have a counterpart be created. Maybe that means meta is old as fuck too and has been to the mirror world before the events of AM. And they said aeons. Thats gotta be linked to galacta aka the aeon hero. I think this lends credence to the theory that dmk is one of the 4 heros. Maybe the ancients sealed him in the mirror world just like they sealed galacta in time. But if galacta, dmk, and meta are all super old and likely part of the 4 heroes, why didn't they seal meta? And who's the 4th hero? People will say morpho but morpho is simply the fusion of galacta and the butterfly. We don't know if the butterfly is the last hero or not

Strongest warrior on pop star maybe

I'm happy this thread was a success

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Good thread, lads

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