Is it really the best Xenoblade, or does it just get a huge nostalgia bonus?

no, but it takes a while for it to become really good
the last chapter is sick if you played the first game

I think it's alright. Took a long time for me to get the hang of the battle mechanics, but I think I'm particularly dumb.

>M-muh nostalgia!
>A-anti anime!
The remake will destroy both of those "arguments" because it will be modern and anime like 2 and it will still BTFO 2 and X

why does it need to btfo anything? all three games are varying degrees of good

But can you take POIRA to ELYSIUM in XC1? No.

This.
Chapters 6 through 10 are fantastic, and rarely drop the pace until a powerful payoff at the end.

Is Rex's English VA the worst performance in a JRPG?

It's definitely the least anime of the bunch but still anime nonetheless

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I like 2 the most, but I'm excited to replay 1.

They're both great games, a fan will like/love them both, it doesn't need to be more than that.

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2 and X are great games indeed but their fanbases not so much, they are the ones who will get BTFO

>XB1 was anim-

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why would you care about fanbases

Have you never been in xenoblade discussion? People shit on 2 all day for not looking more "unique" like 1 and people are already shitting on the re.aster for using a new artstyle for the characters.

>Right
Soul
>Left
Soulless

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>Have you never been in xenoblade discussion?
i try to avoid this awful board as much as i can, ive been here since 2008 and it has been in such a terrible state for years now im thinking of just blocking the site's address altogether

>People shit on 2 all day for not looking more "unique" like 1 and people are already shitting on the re.aster for using a new artstyle for the characters.
sounds like typical shitposting that should be ignored instead of answering it with more shitposting

smug fiora best fiora

>katana wielding muscular man that recites a haiku mid combat
>not anime

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I'm so glad that they didn't go with the vomit unducing xc2 designs

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thank fucking god

I don't know what point are you trying to make

Yep XC2 wasnt bad but the style was so retarded, it really annoyed me while playing. Looked like a game for 10 year olds

Xenoblade was never good
play Gears and Saga

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Xenosaga II is the only bad Xeno game.

for a main character sure, but so many of those blades had awful voice acting. pyra and mythra sound like they are reading their lines for the first time too

all 3 of them kinda suck. blade was the redemption game

Stop using the word "anime" as if it means anything other than cartoon.
Is Xenoblade anime? Yes because it has a cartoonish artstyle as opposed to photorealism.

hes making fun of the people who dont view it as a japanese game, similar to those who think dark souls is a western series because of the art style

Dark Souls is a western series, though.

X>1>>, prove me wrong
protip: you can't

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What do I win?

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That's fucking stupid.

1 hour in MS paint

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It's only been 40 minutes.

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Why is accusing people of only liking/preferring an older thing because nostalgia such a big meme lately? Nostalgia isn't a pleasant experience and some things were simply designed better.

I'm with you, but it is the only one I have played.

Ah, From Software, a famous western game development company known for western artists, designers, coders and directing

It always surprises me how disgusting every single Wii game actually looked

Super Mario Galaxy looked good.

Metroid Prime 3 was beautiful

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i think X is the one who looks least weeb, the only thing it has is potato girl.

stop making me replay long ass RPGs reeee

perfect

>he thinks Gears style is bad
XC1 zoomers, not even once. Tanaka's art is the best in this whole franchise and seeing it finally be fully realized in 3D is amazing

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Because nostalgia has a large influence on people's preferences and experiences? Why the fuck do you think nostalgia-baiting with constant remasters and reboots of old games/movies/shows is such a trend right now.

Faggots don't like change. They just want more of the same flavors fed to them with different toppings

i would kill for this game without meme controls

True. I suppose it's because Mario(tm)-graphical style can't look terrible
For this I have no explanation.

Maybe some devs just couldn't accept that the console wasn't exactly powerful and didn't adapt and redesign

just looks like generic anime

>huge nostalgia bonu
>For a modern game
Best Xenoblade, specially since it had an unnecessary sequel and the closest thing as continuation of sorts but well done was X.

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best story. X kinda meh story and 2s is gud but its a bit too anime and focuses more on explaining the complicated mechanics of blades and titans rather than introducing to many crazy plot twists or big changes in the story. The amount xenoblade 1 changes from beginning to end is amazing and is what gives it such a nostalgia feeling. It aint that ez to create nostalgia, you need a story that really takes you on an adventure

ok retard

>*XB1 wasn't anim--
Fix'd.

Anyone complaining about any Xenoblade being "anime" never played any Xeno game before XB1

Generic anime doesn't bother drawing character noses consistently like Gears/X do, though.

XB1 was popular solely because it wasn't like any other Xeno game, though. Only now are people starting to backtrack and say it was Xeno all along. Actual Xeno fans wrote autistic essays on how it was a cash-in and a cheap defacement of the series after Gears/Saga.

just wait for takahashi to formally confirm that perfect works is alive again for those people to get utterly ass blasted, even though it was obvious with xenoblade 2 and even more the dlc

No, X has more replayability and 2 better post-game/combat, but 1 has the better main game (with some sever pacing issues especially from Eryth Sea onward)

>especially from Prison Island onward
ftfy

prison island is the best part of the game, it goes downhill a bit after sword vallet

Nah man, having to repair the lighthouse and activate the portal to Prison Island kills my drive to play every time, Eryth Sea is such a boring-ass region with lazy copy-pasted islands.

it is the worst area on bionis, i almost always just rush through it and miss the timed quests

Oh god, don't remind me about timed Alcamoth quests, they are the actual worst in the game, fuck Alcamoth and fuck its NPCs. Such a cool concept but such a boring fucking wasteland of a town. I really hope the remaster fixes it somehow. Gotta hand it to 2, none of its towns are such a drag to explore as Frontier Village and Alcamoth.

>Mfw I don't think there's a single bad part in the game aside the sword valley part, that's actually really fucick short.

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it never is a bad game, but there is a bit of a drop once they get to mechonis

frontier village being a vertical area you have to climb upwards was a cool idea in theory but it makes finding where shit is on the map a pain

needs a daggerfall map, that thing was a god send

>Mechonis turns what used to be a grand adventure through multiple varied environments into Switch Actioning Simulator: Industrial Complex Edition
I really hope they find a way to vary Mechonis up a bit and not just pad everything with "gotta activate the 2 elevator switches... then the 4 teleporter switches... then the 6 billion gas chamber switches..."

if there is a single complaint of the game i had is that you cant get Fiora earlier, i usually rush Sword valley to get Fiora ASAP

i liked the central factory and agniritha. mechonis field was the chore

The fanbases of 2 and X seemed fine to me, especially when compared to many other fanbases.

Bruh.
youtube.com/watch?v=yHVhQIHZ674

one of the best tracks for one of the worst areas. F

Same could be said for Valak.
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Maybe with Bionis Shoulder in its proper place between Makna and Eryth Sea they'll alter the pacing

The wonky ice physics salvaged Valak for me. I hope they're as nonsensical in the remake.

>nostalgia
The game is less than 10 years old

Riki is the only dub VA I didn't like.
He's supposed to sound like a child, or this reveal falls flat

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The game will be 10 years old next year.

Only in Japan.

so who lived there?

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BORN IN A WORLD OF STRIFE

>Bionis wears shoulder pads.
Did Zanza like 80's music?

So? Do people really have such short-lived memo- oh right this is the current fucking year

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Mum's car.

AGAINST THE ODDS

More importantly, where were the other dozen-something colonies?

Not part of the setting. Xenoblade is a REALLY narrow game. Unless it directly relates to Shulk it probably doesn't exist.

The game "infers" that they were destroyed by the Mechonis some time prior to the start of the game, like Colony 6. This is the first time I hear that they are making a remake. I've played all Xeno games except XC2, should I buy a Switch?

on the leg and arm we don't explore?

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Sure.

After replaying it about a dozen times I realized that it IS pretty narrow in scope, there are so many other parts of the Bionis that you don't get to explore, not to mention that the rest of the world is an endless ocean. Hopefully, the remake will let you explore new areas

XC2 is ok, if you really want a jrpg to play while waiting for the remaster you could do much worse. its 7/10

The giants.
I really hope we get more lore and what happened to them after Arglas went fucking bonkers now that they're including the shoulder in the remake.

I love how I can just remember the entire game by looking at this image. Starting at the foot, up the knee, around the waist, up the back, down the arm and over to mechonis, then coming back and ending with climbing through the torso up to the head.

How did I miss that?

>YWN emerge out onto Gaur Plains from Tephra Cave for the first time again

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>tfw you will never be amazed of how the fuck a game like this worked on the Wii
>tfw you will never be on XC's death grip and get hooked in this exact same part.

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Yeah there's a lot of it left unexplored

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because they cut it from the game

Those little shit huts certainly weren't for the giants

I kinda like that, always made it fun to see if you were going to get that rare blade you’d been wanting, of course, something with a bit more control would have been nice and it did sort of artificially lengthen the game. Still, it was neat to see people’s pulls in the threads back in the day.

2 is better

>Valak Mountains are frozen because the rest of Bionis blocks the sun from it
I love the lore

This.

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then where does this screenshot come from?

the files are still on the disc.
They're restoring it for the Definitive Edition

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beta version before they cut it. Its still in the files too, some guys have hacked the game and actually got there using no clipping

Nigga what are you talking about I have replayed the game 3 times and still amazes me how that game runs on what it's just a slightly better GameCube.

Also pretty fucking amazing that there's literally zero load times when you go from one land mark to another, neither XCX and XC2 couldn't pull this out.

Replayed it 6 months ago, game is still good but the gameplay is subpar compared to its sequel. There's definitely a tint of nostalgia

ah, thank you.

It's far and away the best. X and 2 have far too many awful design choices.

>the giant in prison island is zanza
>because he is zanza he can upgrade the monado
>big reveal of the game is that Shulk died in the monado expedition but Zanza possessed his body so he came back to life
>eventually in Mechonis Zanza splits from him
Okay, so who the FUCK was that in Prison Island then????? EXPLAIN THIS SHIT XENOFAGS IT MAKES ZERO SENSE

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Egil's giant pal

it was zanza. he was controlling both the giant and shulk because he is one of two supreme rulers of that world, he can do what he wants

Based retard.

He split his soul into pieces, one went into Arglass' body, one into the Monado itself, and a third got into Shulk during the expedition to Valak Mountain

at least use the fiora scene in the same daylight

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Always makes me laugh to think Colony 6 was mining Zanza's Ether Sperm right out of his balls and that Bionis has a literal swamp ass.

I love how the fight with Xord is in the ether mines which happen to be Zanza's/bionis balls... and his semen is highly flammable.

It's hilarious; the little subtle things in XC are great.

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Literal fanfic never mentioned in the game
So why even possess Shulk in the first place? Hell why not possess his entire party then or every single being in Bionis
It's even more retarded when you consider he didn't even need Shulk's body since he ends up splitting from him

>Colony 6 gave Zanza ED

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Because Zanza wanted to make a fun game for you to play.

I don't know why people use the term XC1 zoomers, or secondaries for that game. Logically that would apply more so to XCX, or XC2 since they're the latest.

He needed it because he needed to find out who was producing the Mechon. Also, that's not "fanfic" it's the conclusion you're supposed to draw, there's even the scene where Arglass is killed and you see a ball of light land on Shulk, that's a piece of his soul returning to the others

What really happened was
>Zanza's soul inhabited Shulk's body
>Thus giving Shulk the power to properly wield the Monado, since Zanza is the true driver of Ontos
>Meanwhile most of his power was sealed on Prison Island inside Arglas

Why does that random Telethia save you in X
What was the significance of even having that Telethia I still don’t get it I feel like there was a lot of missed potential there, it really just seems like an entire different entity to the Telethia of XC despite being an obvious call back to them

All blade games are zoomer shit compared to the true kino that is Xenogears.

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>babbies first 2 deeo 4 me evangelion ripoff
No.

>Why does that random Telethia save you in X

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C O P E

This.

>he thinks we'll answer those questions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhA
Fuck you

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>Is it really the best Xenoblade
Considering how awful X and 2 were, Yes

Because X was a filler game and there is no answer. Just forget it ever happened please

In the art book the Telethia page basically says "we wanted at least one major XC1 throwback" and it has enough of a presence that it could tie into something in future

>Telethia in Bionis purge life for Zanza when he wants to start anew
>Telethia on Mira apparently decides who gets to stay on Mira and who doesn''t - it hates the black matter infected beasts in Telethia and some Orpheans for some reason but is otherwise fine with most lifeforms there
>Mira!Telethia might go into full genocide mode if something demands it

What's so bad about 2? When I saw they changed the combat system I was immediately turned off and I know nothing else about it.

>Because X was a filler game
Wrong.

In the Xeno "saga"

Blade is my favorite, followed by Gears. I really disliked XCX since it had that horrible pseudo-MMO crap, as well as I found many of the characters annoying. If the entire game had the energy that the final section beginning with flying to the Lifehold had, it would be much higher on my list, but as is, I got more enjoyment out of Xenosaga Episode II.

I haven't played much of Xenoblade 2 yet as I've been on more of a retro-RPG kick with Dragon Quest and Tales.

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Don't worry about it. The entirety of X's plot will likely get retconned in the remake. Takahashi did say simply porting X would cost as much as making a new game, so they might as well remake X to fit the original vision that was mentioned in the art book.

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Please explain its significance. I’m sure they’ll find a way to make X2 tie back into the main series but still explain

>I got more enjoyment out of Xenosaga Episode II.

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The hard level restrictions ruined X for me, and I never finished it because of that. Levelling was so slow, and I would have had to go back and do a ton of sidequests just to continue the main story.

I'm not saying it was good. But it was a hell of a lot shorter of a slog than XCX was.

nostalgia bonus, honestly. Each game in the series improved on what it started.

Allen became such a fucking Chad by the end of Saga.

I think each game's strengths are the others weakness.
Xenoblade was the most consistent
X had fantastic exploration, worldbuilding, and side content, but lesser main story. The characters outside Elma and Lin were undeveloped Plus the cutscenes were very low budget

2 had a more cohesive main story but it's side content was inferior, as was its world design. The main cast all had a lot of development.

>Why does that random Telethia save you in X
Because it's Melia. How that came to be will be revealed in the extra Melia content of XCDE

Did you do many sidequests in X, a lot of world building is contained within those for better or worse

Oh and also
Riki was the best Nopon. Tatsu was the worst. Tora was OK.

no he was still a turbo beta. Which made kevin's cucking all the worse

>best story
It's such a generic jrpg plotline that I'm always kept wondering if they were trying to play a joke on that or they were THAT lazy.

>Melia turns into a Telethia in the ending
>The Zohar's disturbance causes a portal to suck her into another universe
>She ends up in Mira as a guardian figure
It's so sad that I could see it happening for real

Tatsu is the worst character in Xeno- period.

Isn't Telethia Human's true form in X a la High Entia?

I'd give that distinction to Lao or Alex from X for the same reason in helping the exact aliens they hate

I'm not sure if I did all of them, but if I were to pull a random number out of my ass, I'd say my quest completion would have been in the 90s or so.

>Melia turns into a Telethia in the ending
She's a filthy mixed blood who can't turn into one user.

Why is this always true of characters with spiral glasses?

you take that back fiend, white pants monkeys are the best ones

Tatsu was pretty funny honestly there have been far worse characters

No.

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No?
Where the fuck did you get that idea?

Is Takahashi a siscon? So many older sister types in 2. Mythra, Pyra, Morag, Brigid, KOMOS, T-elos, Haze (to Rex) etc

Also Haze best girl

You know, with this many Xeno games how is it possible that they never bothered to properly explain the Zohar and its shenanigans ?

He cucked Kevin, tanked several hits from him even though he is easily the weakest character, and still had enough energy 5 minutes later to leap 15 feet at a Gnosis about to crush the dumbass that is Shion, and then he beat and shot the thing to death at point blank range.

I gotta tell you, man, those aren't beta moves.

>Tatsu was pretty funny
Did you notice how
he kind of
looks
like
a
potato

If X does get a full blown remake to properly fit things into place, double that if Takahashi plans on aligning the X, and the mainline, I really hope they slap a real protagonist in the game. The only reason we got Cross was because Nintendo wanted online features implemented. I'm sure they can implement the blue bloods thing, and the J-Body shit in regardless.

inb4 their original vision for X still has most of the same flaws as the end product and simply takes longer to get to the point of "WHAT'S WITH THIS PLANET???"

Would argue Lin was worse. Together they made me want to throw the game out.

From how the Ganglion feared humans and how Lao taking a dip with Luxaar in LCL turned him into basically a vlack Telethia. Isn't the boss theme "Lao Telethia Chimera" in Sawano's usual gibberish?

It's a literal god in the machine. It's synonymous with unexplained ass-pull story device.

haha what if a cute and funny anime girl offered make him into a potato-based dish his reaction would be priceless

It's an infinite power generator

The actual boss theme for Lao is "The Key We Lost" but there is track called Lao - Telethia - Chimera (except Telethia is interspersed between the letters of Lao Chimera).

Wasn't there a discount Zohar in the pre release X short stories?

HEY user IT'S YOUR BEGINNING CHAPTER JOKE HOW SHOULD WE COOK TATSU SHOULD WE

>TATSU RAMEN
>GRILLED TATSU
>CURRY TONTATSU
>TATSU BURGER
>POACHED TATSU
>THROW HIM IN THE FRYING PAN WITH A BUNCH OF SPICES AND WHATEVER AND SEE HOW IT FUCKING TURNS OUT

IT'S FUNNY EVERY TIME

>"Lao Telethia Chimera" in Sawano's usual gibberish?
Oh shit I didn't know that.
But wasn't Lao transformed because the goo had the genetics of everything so it turned him into a Frankenstein?

It's the best by far. Best story and characters, best gameplay and best locations and enemies.

X and 2 were good but you can tell there was a lot more passion behind this game and its creation where as the sequels felt like they were innovation for innovations sake.

Well not the potato gag but he was with the bantz in some heart to hearts

>you see a ball of light land on Shulk, that's a piece of his soul returning to the others
and yet Alvis still talks to him in Prison Island afterwards
If that's what they were going for they could've made it much clearer

Never played a Xenoblade but it's got the coolest box art out of all of them

It's a fine cliffhanger to properly set up for XCX2, so fuck it.

In Saga, it's a portal that draws power from the Upper Domain or Realm of Gods. It also functions as a generator because you can charge your phone and whatnot with it. Just don't touch it.

In Gears, it was a manmade generator, but when they powered it up to stick it in Deus, it sucked in a being from a higher existence accidentally and became an infinite energy generator.

Daily reminder that Zanza did nothing wrong and was just trying to preserve his own existence.
If Meyneth wanted to be a martyr it was her business but dragging him along was a bitch move.

>because the goo had the genetics of everything
Maybe thats what X's telethia are.

Did you like the hippy hops in XCX?

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HONK

>Telethia are just genetic soup on Mira that defend the planet
Would be based if true

>lot more passion behind this game
Wrong. 1 was a ship without a captain until Iwata sit them straight. 2 and X are the ones made with passion in mind.

>The team behind World of Final Fantasy had to sneak Xenogears in

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>Already fastest character in the game, getting something like 1.7 turns for every 1 Fei gets
>2.2 with Speed Ring
>Hits as hard as Fei
>THEN LATER HE GETS A FUCKING SWORD

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2 was literally made because of negative fan backlash to X. Takahashi made 2 to please fans, not because he had a passion for it.

Was he intended to be a dick?

>a huge nostalgia bonus?
This nintenyerold crap

I'd say he's just very pragmatic, good and bad.

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I hate how they removed her collarbones in the remaster

I feel like you guys are only looking at the negatives, correct me if I'm wrong but there was some more heart put into it

>Xenoblade 1 was made after the Monolith Staff was demoralized from Xenosaga being cut down to 3 episodes, so he wanted to make something self contained and different
>With Xenoblade X Takahashi felt like he had finally done human and mech gameplay right because in Xenogears and Xenosaga there would be areas made specifically for humans and other sections specifically for mechs
>With Xenoblade 2 Takahashi wanted to tell a feel good boy meets girl story for the youth of Japan to enjoy

There was some passion in all the games I feel

He reminds me of Yokuba/Fassad from Mother 3, in that his unrepentent dickishness is made up by his use in combat. Nopon party member like him WHEN

People love focusing on the negatives behind the development so they can compete titles against each other, but it's clear that Takahashi loves both X, and 2. I'm sure he loves XC1 as well, but this time around he gets to bend things more to his vision since the Perfect Works is virtually back in business.

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Somehow, every FF spinoff seems to have more passion for square's legacy than mainline games

This. I know we're on Yea Forums, but for fucks sake, I'm just glad Monolith finally has its shit together, and is so vital to Nintendo that it's essentially a major asset. Xenoblade is going smoothly, and their company is expanding nicely, so I'm happy for them. If we weren't having a civil war every other thread over dumb shit, we could appreciate the titles more.

mainline FF is to sell to mainstream american jrpg fans. the real classic experience comes from the spinoffs that those people wont touch

Right?!

WoFF was a perfect love letter to the series, and then it was followed up with an ugly unfinished stupid game where you go camping with the digitally unaged members of Gackt.

FF is in a pretty awkward position outside of the 8 remaster, and 7 remake. 15 was a disappointment, and burned through far more money, than it likely gained in sales. I'm pretty sure they were working on that shit for more than 7 years, from what I heard.

The story is pretty bad, it's just presented extremely well. It's like the opposite of 2, which has a better story but poor presentation.

it IS the best, and now, with the graphical improvement, it will get even bester

>Best story and characters absolutely.
I agree about best story, but the characters were absolutely lame

everything true except the last part, the second half of the game was the best part imho

the tech demo was shown on the early ps3, used to be called versus XIII

>The characters were lame
I think the characters in XC2 are superior to a degree, but I think half the cast of XC1 was great. The only exception would probably be Sharla, and maybe Riki (motives wise). Reyn doesn't really do shit in the second half either, but eh.. Neither does Dunban, really. I hope the remaster helps flesh out the characters during the second half of the story more.

El Gigante...

>Why does that random Telethia save you in X
It only attacks what it considers to be impure. The quest "A Fateful Choice" says the Telethia/Ovah are from another planet/universe.

the second half isnt about them, the conflict is much bigger than them and it shows because all they can do is watch and try to support shulk.

Speaking of Astral Chain, I can't help but feel like the entire game is one Takahashi approval away from being an official Xenoblade prequel

astral chain would have been a better jrpg than action game

How much do you think the remaster will sell? I'm guessing around 600k units lifetime.

Even still, if they're going to stick around, they should have some focus to look into their mindset and etc. The second half focusing on Shulk, Fiora, Melia, and probably Vanea if she ends up getting included to the party, makes sense.

WE CHOOSE TO SHITE

I'm thinking it'll break a million for various reasons.
>First entry in the Blade series for people who like to start from the beginning
>The Switch's user base is massive right now, and is in its relatively middle season of life
>The Shulk in Smash bonus
Outside of that, I can't think of much.

At least 1 Million, Switch stuff always seems to sell more than expected

But 1 has by far the worst fanbase... and I say it as a huge fan of 1

These people are so insecure and delusional that 7 years later they still can't admit to themselves that they played an anime game. They don't even consider XC1 a shounen. It's the absolute dumbest fanbase around.

2 had way better characters than 1

because Zanza's a moron who only focuses on his future visions, believing that he be the sole captain of the ship steering the general course of events. Never did it occur to him that Alvis would indirectly betray him in favor of a new god.

I hope it sells however much it needs to to convince Monolith and Nintendo to port X as well

Gameplay: 2 >>> 1
Story: 1>2 but they're both retarded
Visuals: 1>2
Music: 1=2
Characters: 2>1

They are both great games (haven't played X). 2 is definitely a bit better.

I mean, look at where we're at. The XC1 fandom isn't any better, or worse the other ones. You think shitposters, and secondaries aren't the ones regurgitating the dumb "anime" arguments all the time? I doubt most of the actual fans are doing that shit.

I think X is dead, I think we are going to see Xenoblade 3 announced after Xenoblade Definitive edition.

Nothing. It's a phenomenal JRPG and the best this gen alongside DQ11

DQ 11 S in like 2 weeks. i cant wait to play through it again

Okay. What makes it good?

I don't know why people think X as a side series is dead. Maybe the game itself, but Takahashi himself said he loved the series. I mean, the guy wrote what was apparently a novel for the plot. If it doesn't get remade, and continued after XC3, I'll be pretty curious.

investor funding. nintendo wont pour money in to develop title that might not sell well.

If it sells under a million I'd be very surprised.

Well apparently Xenoblade as a whole is the only IP they'll allow Monolith to push forward, so I doubt that's an issue. X would have easily sold more, had it not been on an essentially dead console. Even then, it did pretty well. Quality aside though, since the game is pretty flawed.

Aren't you glad you didn't play the inferior, incomplete ugly version but now will play the superior, complete and beautiful version on Nintendo Switch?

Thanks for beta testing, Wiicucks

But I don't hear objectively retarded arguments from 2 fans. They say they preferred 2 and give a subjective reasoning. 1 fans on the other hand start spouting nonsense of how "not anime" their game was or how it was a "deconstruction of tropes". Just the dumbest things I've heard a fanbase say. And it's not just here. I saw a reddit post (yeah I know) of one guy saying how Xenoblade 1 is so special because HE played it and he plays SPORTS in real life. That retard really thought Xeno 1 is some revolutionary game that isn't anime and breaks boundaries when in reality it's just your typical shounen just done really well (in the beginning at least).

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Say something nice about her

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That depends on how you want it to come back.
X as a story? Yeah it might continue
X as a "fuck you there is no story, no characters, now go do some side-quests" game? That's probably not happening.

Combat and party building is fun. Acquiring blades and hanging out with them is great. Characters are comfy and well animated. The music is god tier. The sky boxes, cloud systems and general environment is by far the best the JRPG genre has ever seen (alongside X). It's not afraid of being funny and cute, something the teens who play these games are often terrified of.

Overall, it's just a wholesome adventure unlike any other in the medium.

she looks like she smells nice desu

>unironically using comfy and cute & funny to describe a game
>in the same post
>well animated
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>wholesome

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They've passed by X with their current projects so it's not looking good, with the sales of Xenoblade I think Nintendo will pass over any new X titles.

2 was a massive disappointment. People won't just gloss over the numerous faults because "they were trying to make something nice!"

XB1 had its faults, but overall it hit the mark so it gets a lot of love.

Why doesn't she have collarbones?

>Acquiring blades and hanging out with them is great.
It was locked behind gacha. Grinding for rare crystals was not fun at all.
>The music is god tier
Not as good as 1
>The sky boxes, cloud systems and general environment is by far the best the JRPG genre has ever seen
Not nearly as good as 1. XC2's environments where small compared to 1.

Why are you taking him serious when he just said rolling gacha was fun?

Yeah I should have know he wasn't serious.

>I don't hear objectively retarded arguments from 2 fans
Probably because you've either cherry picked, or weren't present in threads where they particularly acted condescending, or said something foolish. It's happened plenty of times, and it still happens to this day. I'm not going to deny the fact that there's a special breed of XC1 fans that are in heavy denial, but let's not pretend it solely applies to XC1.

>They've passed by X, so it's not looking good
I don't particularly see it that way. My personal assumption is that Takahashi decided to focus on the main line series first, which I'm perfectly happy about, before remaking, or revising X in the future.

If I wanted to play the xenoblade games which version do I emulate?

Yuzu is shit right now, and you need a supercomputer to run mario odyssey so 2 is out of the question. 1 is very easy to emulate, even my phone can do it. CEMU can run X, but ive read that it has compatibility issues

I honestly want them to scrap the original X completely, and rebuild the story as it was originally intended. No Cross as the MC due to the push for online gameplay, and other various elements that didn't make it in the final product.
Truthfully, it's better this way. Having to jump between the main series, and the sub series would probably kill the hype for a lot of people. Especially if they don't end up being connected, so I can see why the focus is on the main series, currently. That way, they can dedicate the proper spotlight on the XCX series at a later time. Maybe I'm just being a maximum optimist, but I doubt there's any issues.

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It's the most well balanced of the three.

Seemingly both X and 2 did some monkey paw deal with each other to achieve what they did. X exchanged an involved story and fleshed out cast of characters to have an amazing world with great exploration gameplay. While 2 exchanged the the amazing world with great exploration gameplay to have an involved story and fleshed out cast of characters.

Xenoblade 1 didn't go as far as either of those games did with their strengths, But, it offered both story and exploration in such a way that if you hungered for either - or both - you would be satisfied.

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>Fleshed out character cast
People always say this about XC2, but even then it feels like the main party is lacking the proper development outside of designated moments. I'd disagree with the world, though. Alrest is still a really nice place to explore, but the Field Skills make things a chore, and half the major areas in the game need to be expanded.

>characters and exploration in 2
>better than 1
Not even close.

It’s fine if you believe that but it doesn’t have anything to do with what is being discussed in those posts

>sub series
It's just incorrectly named, should never have been Blade and instead used another acronym for BLADE in game.

>if you believe that
There's nothing subjective about it, but feel free to pretend otherwise.

yeah im going to have to agree here, the big selling point of the first game is the massive world that spans the bodies of two colossal titans, and how looking out in the distance you can see places you have been, or are going to go to.

>porting X would cost as much as making a new game
WHAT THE FUCK HOW!?

user didn't say better. Just focused.

The exploration in XC1 was amazing. Wonderful sense of scope, and all the environments were done beautifully. I'd honestly rank it over XC2 in that regard, but the story is debatable. The first half was smooth, but I feel like the second half could have used better pacing since everything emerges after the Mechonis. On the other hand, XC2's start was rather slow, and tried to develop the countries present before diving into the plot, and as a result, its second half delivered wonderfully.

Please share your essay on the intricate depth of Sharla and Reyn.

>Why doesn't she have collarbones?
>3d model senpai

He said what 2 did well, then said 1 didn't go as far with those strengths. How can you possibly misinterpret that?

If you wanna keep deluding yourself into thinking your opinion is fact then go ahead I guess. My point is it’s irrelevant to the discussion.

He didn't say exploration was better in 2, work on your reading comprehension.

It had better cast for me at least. The only one that I really like in 2 was Zeke and he deserves his own game.

The original model had them

They weren't particularly deep, but Reyn was a good best friend character, and Sharla's overcoming loss and eventually getting close to Reyn story was nice. They were good enough. Melef and Zeke were promising characters, but any subtleties were completely pissed away when they were juxtaposed with Rex who reduced them to retards saying "We want to follow Rex around and help!" Hana and Tora started off with their story of looking up to Rex and in a way being jealous, but the culmination of Hana's development was wasted on her promise with Hikari during that absurdly awful "No, you have to let her die to this Deus ex bullshit plot device despite us constantly berating you for not going full shounen MC mode and saving her up until now!" scene at the end. Nia was never anything more than Walmart Melia, and Nia pandering ruined any chance at actual closure to the romance between Rex and Homura. The main character in 2 is also the worst one, which is a real problem. Now go ahead and pretend shit writing is okay because it was done on purpose to mimic shounen manga, despite the fact that you don't actually read more than the occasional super popular shit shounen.

The discussion was about why 2 is constantly picked apart for its faults. I said its because 2's faults were greater than its strengths. Explain exactly how that isn't related to the discussion. Trying to sound calm and neutral doesn't mean shit when you're too stupid to actually make a point.

I meant respective strengths, while in the areas they were weak in, 1 was better. Ultimately what I tried to get across was:

Focus on story and characters:
2>1>X

Focus on exploration and world:
X>1>2

1 did both aspects well, better than the game that was weak in a certain aspect, but not as well as the title that excelled in that aspect.

Going from Primordia to Gormott was a big boner killer, but I grew to like it. Uraya and Leftheria provided wonder and awe, but the rest of the games' areas were iffy.. Temperantia was probably the worst Xenoblade area I've ever seen. It needed to get nuked a second time.

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>Focus on story and characters:
>2>1>X
No

The discussion was about the passion put into the games

I think it's more like X realized they couldn't have their cake and eat it budget wise; a story focused game has a high cutscene budget and X was already pushing it with HD/open world so they focused on learning those. With 2 it was like they realized with smaller people their landscapes wouldn't be as expansive so they focused on the story complaints from X.

false.

>I feel like you guys are only looking at the negatives
>People love focusing on the negatives behind the development
>If we weren't having a civil war every other thread over dumb shit, we could appreciate the titles more.
The discussion was about why 2 is constantly shit on. "They all had heart and soul put into them so we shouldn't shit on them" was a suggestion that the 3 cocksuckers made, but it was not the actual topic of the discussion. You're an idiot.

>or does it just get a huge nostalgia bonus?
None of the xeno games have that.

Xenoblade rankings

Story: 1 > 2 > X

Gameplay (combat): X > 2 > 1

Music: 1 > 2 > X

Cast: 1 > X > 2

Close, but 1 had better combat than 2. Playing the same exact rhythm game for 200 hours got boring.

Disagree, I love 1, but topple locking is piss easy compared to anything in X and 2.

You are missing the forest for the trees here, the first two replies to the original post blatantly talk about passion, and the rest go more in detail into the mindset and direction the developers wanted to go in. Why are you trying so hard to steer this discussion in a direction it was never going in?

What is generic anime?

user topple locking and Melia’s flowcharts aren’t nearly as fun as the insane shit you can pull off with fusion combos in 2

>piss easy compared to anything in X and 2.
It wasn't any easier than the orbs, and in 1 you could at least approach different enemies in different ways with building topple, and the stackable nature of the topples meant that you actually had to think which order to use them in based on what was happening. In 2, you just found one "route" to 8 orbs and used it for every single battle. In 1 it was also fun to play around as other characters (especially super fast Fiora) or do silly things like naked Dunban.

>You are missing the forest for the trees here
No, you're just mistaking the topic (a problem) with a proposed solution to it. Again, you're an idiot and trying to sound rational won't save you from being outright wrong.

>Gameplay (combat): X > 2 > 1
What the fuck am I reading!?
X's combat is literally the worst abomination ever conceived in jrpg's history (except maybe the first Digimon World and .hack//IMOQ).
1 and 2 combat aren't that great but they're both still miles better than X

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>the first Digimon World and .hack//IMOQ
You shut your whore mouth.

I detailed how it was the topic in my post, but you seem to want to ignore it in.

I'm not OCD so I had no problem with rolling blades. It was fun getting a rare blade and changing the party to accomodate it. I'm sorry you guys have a mental illness and need to have them all.

>I detailed how it was the topic
The topic is what I said it is, because every single post I quoted talked about that topic. Offering a solution to the topic does not change the original topic of the discussion. If someone starts a thread about XB2's awful performance and then the posts in the thread all talk about how better hardware would alleviate this problem, the topic is still the poor performance of XB2, the topic is not the Switch's hardware limitations. No amount of kicking and screaming on your part is going to change that. Trying to sound composed and logic to pull the conversation away from "Xenoblade 2 gets shit for being shit" because you're a shit eating retard who wants to pretend it's a good game won't make the nonsense you type out sound coherent.

it's the series low point

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I'd just stop replying at this point, I'm the user who made this post and yeah I quite literally posted that because of the things those Anons said about the development of the games. I haven't seen anywhere that says Iwata steered them straight, I do know Iwata was the one who suggested it have Xeno in the name, and the other user made it sound like 2 was made only for the purpose of undoing the changes X made to the series which there was more than that going on. Literally no one was talking about why Xenoblade 2 gets shit on. I wasn't saying people are focusing on the negatives of Xenoblade 2, I was saying people were focusing on the negatives of the development.

>I'm sorry you guys have a mental illness and need to have them all.
Never said I needed to get all of them. Rares are tied to RNG so you need a shit ton of them just to get a few of them.

>but you can tell there was a lot more passion behind this game (referring to 1) and its creation
Literally the first post, the part of it that was quited in the reply, and what the entire discussion revolved around. You seem to be pulling some insane mental gymnastics to ignore that.

This

>Literally the first post
The one that started by complaining that people shat on the game too much?

This what? This is a post written by an idiot who talks about all the things the games drew inspiration from and what they were trying to do despite not actually knowing what they were talking about?
>Gainax in Xenoblade 2's case
You mean Mazinger which had nothing to do with Gainax? The person who wrote that post seems like the kind of idiot who thinks Gainax invented the Getter pose.

>The Last Story continues to rot on the wii
>Pandora's Tower atleast got ported to the Wii U eshop
>XB1 is jumping to another console for the third fucking time
It's not fair

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Nah, XC2 sold well because the Switch was in its first year. It also had great marketing and the twitter blades helped. I doubt XC1 will have anything of the sort.

Both the first post in this discussion and the one replying to it don’t have that. For the rest you are taking snippets and ignoring the context and meaning, see the anons post here

Well the developers of those games weren't bought by nintendo so they're shit out of luck.

It has Shulk in smash which turned a lot of people on to him and likely many people haven't played his game still

He is right and you know it. That's literally what Takahashi said. He is completely right

Don't make me laugh. Smash might help an occasional game sell 10k copies more but it has no effect in the bigger picture.

XC1 does have more mainstream appeal since it was literally made for normies by its creators own account. But I still can't see it reaching the 2 million of XC2. That game is just special.

>That's literally what Takahashi said.
Find me the exact interview where he said that. A bunch of retards taking quotes from translated interviews out of context do not make anything in that incoherent mess of a post correct. The person who wrote it is an idiot who is very clearly not familiar with anything he talked about. Seriously, where the fuck was the Gainax in Xenoblade 2? The closest thing to Gainax in Xenoblade 2 was them starting to do a completely retarded bittersweet ending like TTGL, but they didn't even go through with it, and everyone knows that Imaishi's garbage isn't the Gainax work that Gainax fans care about or are inspired by.

>Game on Wii
>Nostalgia

Holy shit I'm old...

I love X too, user.

HELLO? IS THIS THING ON?

Paying attention to your cycles actually involved more work than topple locking. You need to stop being a nostalgia shitter. You talk about different approaches like we're not talking about which system is piss easy. You can take different approaches in X and 2 as well if you wanted.

>reading comprehension
Read the full sentence again
>70s-90s shonen and Gainax in Xenoblade 2's case)
Mazinger is still covered under 70s-90s shonen.
Xenoblade 2 really does feel like Gainax though, especially Nadia with bits of Mahoromatic

>You need to stop being a nostalgia shitter
Can't wait till these arguments are all destroyed when the remaster comes out.

The game is 10 years old next June.

What's with this retard spamming Xenogears on a XC1 thread?

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>Read the full sentence again
I did, it specifies Gainax in XB2's case. Where's the fucking Gainax in XB2?

> especially Nadia
Really? Which character was the bitchy vegan environmentalist girl? The people who talk about how XB2 was all deliberate and referenced old shounen anime don't actually know what any of those shounen anime are or what kind of stories they tell.

Allen was typical japanese salary man gone rogue in the face of actual danger trope

>why does someone post about a game that's part of the franchise that the thread is about
I don't know user... Really makes me think as well...

I looked up the Last Story's voice cast earlier and saw that few of them - Syrenne's in particular - got many roles of note after that.

Meanwhile Adam Howden and Carina Reeves are beloved by fans and have been in every Xenoblade since, plus Smash, and Jena Coleman became a star and fans are praying she returns for the DE.

Playing XC1 for the first time at Sword Valley.
Enabled godmode cheats and 2x running speed because fuck it

You can feel that way if you want, but I literally just finished playing it again (dolphin). I typically play each one once a yeah because I fucking love the games so much.

>outside of the 8 remaster
8 remaster is a fucking disaster

coward

>but I literally just finished playing it again
And you think 2 had more involved combat with more options? Either you're lying, or you have a learning disability.

How many people have you told this to now? Maybe you should try considering the possibility that people who don't share your weird obsession disagree with you.

>Which character was the bitchy vegan environmentalist girl?
This is a disingenuous argument and you know it. That's like saying when somebody compares Xenogears to Evangelion "Really? Where are the bio-mechs infused with the pilots' mothers brains"?
Such a specific plot point carried over would plagiarism. Xenoblade 2's environmentalism is spread moreso into the lore/narrative of the game rather than a character (the titans are small and dying, society need to be more conservative with their resources) and the bitchy character would be Mythra.

Regardless, Nadia and Xenoblade 2 are
>both coming of age stories
>both boy meets girl stories
>boy embarks on his journey for the sake of a girl he meets, could easily give up any time
>emphasis on travelling to islands and locations via the sea
>anti-war stories
>have fantastical elements that slowly unravel themselves into scientific elements as the story is explained
>villains pursue Nadia/Pyra for their power which would unlock the technology that would allow them to conquer/destroy the world
>Atlantis/Morytha serve the same purpose and tell the same message, while playing similar roles in the story (ancient advanced city that was decimated by warfare)
>end goal is outer space
>fake-out protagonist death and revival (but in the reverse)
>padded with filler and has long stretches of bad story and pointless narrative decisions

Mor Ardain could literally be considered a 'good' Gargoyle. In fact, the Mor Ardainian soldiers literally look like Gargoyle's soldiers. Mor Ardain wants to understandably conquer the world for resources (they treat their colonies well though) whilst Gargoyle wants to conquer the world for nefarious purposes. The evilness of Gargoyle can then be thrown onto Amalthus and the Praetorium though Amalthus wanted to destroy everything rather than conquer it.
Blue Water and the Aegis/Aegis core crystal, although not exactly similar, play the same purpose in the story.

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>How many people have you told this to now?
Probably less than you've told that 2 doesn't have braindead combat.

>try to make a point
>be completely off base
>get angry and call the other person disingenuous
Thanks for using the redditor meme word. Now I know not to respond. Nice list of generic things not particular to Nadia at all and ignore all the characters, though.

Why does Xeno games always have convoluted combat systems? In Saga 1 I found out you can make tech shortcuts and transfers like 30 hours into the game. In XC1 there're these skills that you can learnt from having affinity with other characters. wtf it was never explained

Your lack of an argument and throwing around logical fallacies proves I've won. If you're not going to refute my points, I'll take it as a victory.

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Shut the fuck up already. Xc2 has a way deeper combat than 1. It's no surprise most people like it better

And it makes sense, considering Nadia was a concept of another of Miyazaki’s Future Boy Conan repeats like Laputa, which then Anno went on to direct for the actual anime. The influence of all these on Xenoblade 2 is undeniable.

>logical fallacies
You're a fucking caricature of a redditor.

>I'll take it as a victory.
You actually said that ancient civilization with advanced tech being destroyed and lots of filler made XB2 Gainax-like because it reminds you of Nadia. You also completely ignored the fact that the environmental messages aren't alike because the nature of the environmental decay in XB2 is completely different. Hell, half the shit you said applies more to 0079 than Nadia. If you want think a bunch of idiot reaching is a win, then go ahead.

Yuzu when I'm not playing HDready shitfest on my 4k sony

>It's no surprise most people like it better
Remind me a again which game was constantly made fun of for its combat to the point where a webm making fun of it was made?

You seem to be really knowledgeable about reddit.

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XC1 fags really are the most delusional """"people"""" on this board

Sorry, but you're the one who used their latest "look at how logical and intelligent I am" buzzword that idiot redditors use to argue, not me.

>"look at how logical and intelligent I am"
That's your projection, nobody's trying to look intelligent.
You seem really obsessed with reddit, are you trying to hide something?

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>meme controls
How? It was much more intuitive than the CG box controls.

>nobody's trying to look intelligent.
Anyone who uses buzzwords like "logical fallacy" and "disingenuous" wrong is.

>You seem really obsessed with reddit, are you trying to hide something?
I'm not hiding anything. I just hate all the pseudo-intellectual retards who flooded in from reddit around 2012 and ruined this board. You're very clearly one of them, given that you're arguing exactly like them and using their latest buzzwords.

Not him but you should seek help if you genuinely believe any of the dumb shit you’re saying. You are projecting incredibly hard.

How are logical fallacy and disingenuous buzzwords?
You seem really obsessed with reddit, even to the point that you memorize their apparent buzzwords. You don't actually post on reddit, do you?

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Go back

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I feel like this guy has to be false flagging. He's been on here talking shit about the other Xeno games ever since XC1DE was announced, where the hell did he come from?

>How are logical fallacy and disingenuous buzzwords?
Because they've lost all meaning due to idiots using them incorrectly.

>even to the point that you memorize their apparent buzzwords
>Haha, you're telling me to stop talking like reddit so you must be reddit!
And by that logic, everyone on Yea Forums is actually a tranny since everyone hates them so much.

>calling reddit reddit is reddit
Add a few more layers to that and then you won't even have to hide that it's where you come from.

He's been here before, he's always here when there's recent Xeno news, but I feel like he first started appearing after Xenoblade 2 came out

You're both exceptionally stupid if you think that people shitting on Xenoblade 2 is new or limited to 1 person. Ever since XVkun people have become obsessed with the idea that every poster who does or doesn't like a game is 1 person, and it's retarded.

Can’t blame them when 90% of the XB2 shitposting from the past year has come from one guy who admitted he is on a mission to remove it from this board.

And I didn't use either incorrectly. You're pushing your insecurity over another website that you probably use onto me. You have to go back.

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>You have to go back.
You have to take your own advice.

There's 2 things wrong with that. The first is that assuming that everyone who doesn't like Xenoblade 2 is shitposting, and the second is that assuming it's all one person. The actual shitposter you're thinking of usually calls it anime/weeb garbage, so if someone's saying the game was shit without posting that webm of them dancing or calling it weeb trash and you still assume it's that guy, then you're just being an idiot. Fanbases (especially that have lots of spill in from /vg/) trying to name shitposters ruined a lot of discussion here.

>literally no argument

Emulate it on PC then.

That’s not the guy I’m talking about

>literally /pol/ddit's favorite phrase

I have no where to go back to unless you mean /m/.

Nice buzzwords

>almost all of the shitposting is the one guy who hates the game
>no, not that loud guy who talks about how much he hates the game constantly
I should have to explain the problem here.

If you deny the existence of the regular shitposters you are either new or one of them.

>Xenoblade 1 is strictly serious in its main story. Humour in the main story is very minimal to nonexistent.
Now that's a blatant lie. See Riki, or Reyn.
Both Xenosaga and Xenoblade X had way less humor than Xenoblade 1.

>Xenoblade 1 never goes to the depths of despair, darkness and maturity that Xenogears or Xenosaga did.
That's true, but is also true of XbCX and XbC2

>but it's writing is the most shonen of the entire series in execution.
That's also a total lie. Both Xenogears and Xenoblade 2 have way more shonen tropes than Xenoblade 1

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>posts iterations of the same meme while shitposting even though it doesn't have anything to do with the argument
>doesn't actually know anything about the /m/ shows they're talking about
I almost believe you, but you didn't scream about Italians or spics when Mazinger got brought up. So close.

You know exactly who I’m talking about unless you are very new to Xeno threads

>mechas
>not weeb as fuck

>Yeah, it's all this one guy
>Did I say guy? I meant guys

I've seen a guy who wants XB2 spam (yes, just posting pictures of Homura or Nia and saying something something be nice to your bride is spam) gone, I've seen a guy who posts the combat webm in every thread when gameplay gets brought up and calls it a shitty rhythm game, I've seen a guy who pretends that XB2 is the only one that has any anime influences in it and calls it weeb trash, and I've seen a lot of people claim that anyone who doesn't like XB2 is one of those people because it's easier than talking about why the game is disappointing. So which idiot or idiots are you talking about?

The one that tries to squeeze his shitposting and seething into discussion but outs himself the more posts he makes. He has spammed entire threads with google image and wiki pics because things didn’t go his way.

>He has spammed entire threads with google image and wiki pics because things didn’t go his way.
So that's the defining features of that guy, and you think he's here despite none of these things being in the thread?

combat in Xenoblade was always shit. Best one is 2 but even so it isn’t saying much.

>Best one is 2
2 was literally the worse combat in the series.

Strangely he stopped posting in his usual style after hyping up an XCX port right before the Direct.
And then you popped up and started shitposting for a week straight. What a coincidence.

Reasons: because I say so

its okish but it took some huge steps in the wrong direction and was worse in every way than the original other than arguably the combat system but that was a huge poorly explained mess inof itself

It's the Xenoblade with the least flaws. I prefer X and 2 for various reasons, but 1 is undoubtedly the game with the broadest appeal.

Refer to the first part. Recently he’s tried to be a lot more subtle and in the past had literally admitted to try to mess with threads this way because he doesn’t want XC2 on the board. Not saying he’s here, but his tactics make it so that some people will be wary of similar posts and my point was that I can’t blame them for it.

The bigger problem is just that pyra and rex are generic and booring as fuck as characters. The voice acting is weak but allright most of the time but the material they have to work with is just pure trash like 90% of the time.

Reasons:
>combat is based on the blade system which requires gachashit which is unforgiveable
>there's less variety between drivers because all that really matters is the blades, so you don't get any of the fun unique moves like in 1
>customization and specialization aren't as big because skill trees for blades and drivers are near identical
>equipment and prepping for battle doesn't matter as much
>Rex's powerup essentially gives you no reason to ever use any other character ever (and there wasn't much reason to switch in the first place)
>building 8 orbs then chain attacking is the best way to kill every moderate to high HP enemy
>building said 8 orbs only requires that you find one good setup, then you never need to change
The only good thing that 2's combat did was timed inputs after an attack to give buffs and speed up cooldown.

>It's the Xenoblade with the least flaws.
Pretty much. The only real flaws were the fetchquest sidequests, and that you didn't feel as mobile when running around the environments while exploring. If they reduced the number of sidequests and got rid of "find the blue orb" and made them more unique like that late game quest about Melia's people, and made the jumping a little better and gave you some environmental interactions like 2 had then it'd be near perfect.

if you want the game's official explanation, it's just "the high entia sealed away zanza's body on prison island, and his soul (the monado) in ose tower"
I don't really get it either

This is the only correct opinion.

I've played Xenoblade 1 for the first time last August and now its one of my favorite games of all time
I loved pretty much everything about it when it came to
>changing your equipment and gems for different ways of approaching battle
>how other characters besides the mc were very viable and sometimes better
>how big the gorgeous areas are, not too big but enough to make them feel like real, believable places
>the amazing soundtrack which is nearly perfect
>the story being interesting the whole way through and getting better the more you progress
>the amount of optional content and secrets to discover
this game has it all for rpg fans

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>Alcamoth is visible from the shoulder

This is literally impossible unless we're getting a new postgame/epilogue story after the two titans fall and are rearranged.

Imagine if it made the XC2 crossover canon and had Shulk+Fiora go there lmao

Better yet imagine if it had Rex+Pyra come to XC1 instead

Wouldn't it be possible for Eryth Sea and Alcamoth to be visible from the shoulder? Eryth Sea is on the wings/neck things portruding out from the Bionis's head, pic related.

What if they combined Bionis's shoulder and Eryth Sea into one area and that's why you can see Alcamoth? Imagine jumping off the shoulder into the sea with no loading screens because better hardware.

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Not only is it visible from the shoulder, everything about its placement is wrong
>On the right of the shot, level with the shoulder and with no other parts of Eryth Sea visible except for one of the seal islands
>When it should be on the left of the shot, way up on top and at the back of the Bionis head, and almost totally if not totally out of sight

they repositioned the bionis's pose and Eryth Sea's islands slightly to make the bionis shoulder and eryth sea one incredibly massive area, screencap this post

I'm pretty sure that just moved the location of the area to overlook the sea. You can see one of Eryth's floating islands too.

After getting through post game of 2, I feel like I can easily do Einstein shit with rocket science and nuclear physics. That or few squares of Sudoku. I'm autistic so I enjoyed balancing all the different elements and factors on screen. But I don't see how the casuals would be able to handle all that info.

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>Bionis now either has no neck to speak of or a horribly dislocated shoulder
Poor fella

>Colony 9, Tephra Cave, Bionis Leg, Colony 6, Ether Mines and Satorl Marsh are one massive area with no loading screens in between eachother
>Makna Forest, Bionis Shoulder, Eryth Sea, Valak Mountain, Sword Valley and Galahad are one massive area with no loading screen inbetween eachother
>Fallen arm, Mechonis Field, Central Factory, Mechonis Core, Agniratha and that one scrapped Mechonis area are one massive area with no loading screen inbetween eachother

How would you react? Obviously the geography would be mostly the same and the story would block you from going to these areas too early but the hardware would allow it.

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I don't understand where the memes that XB2 has a complicated battle came from. It's not complicated at all, and it never dumps things on you quickly. How could anyone possibly find it confusing or complicated?

Forgot to throw Alcamoth into the second line.

It's just one of those weird things where, even though in reality it's pretty simple, actually trying to properly explain it to somebody is almost impossible.

it's obnoxious to explain to other people and the tutorials are shit

>open world Xenoblade
Imagine abusing the ice slides on Valak Mountain and landing in the Fallen Arm

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>it's obnoxious to explain to other people
How would that give people playing the game any trouble or cause confusion? If you're actually playing the game, none of it is confusing.

>Xenoblade speedrun
>"now i'm going to abuse the slide in Valak Mountain and land in the Yaldabaoth fight"

People aren't used to having to pay attention in video games anymore.

>But first, we need to talk about parallel universes

That's the intended route for how you get the Melia ending in XB1D
You ice slide from Valak Mountain and skip the Sword Valley, Galahad, Fallen Arm bullshit and never get Fiora.

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I keep seeing people mention a scrapped Mechonis area in these threads. What's that about?

There was a scrapped Mechonis area that wasn't even modeled or put into early versions of the game, it was just an idea. I heard rumours it was going to be the outer exterior of the Mechonis's back.

replaying Xenoblade 1, and these fuckers really do never shut the fuck up about the power of teamwork, do they

>Xenoblade 1 has a placeholder for a final 8th party member that never actually made it into the game
Vanea's going to be a party member, isn't she?
Also place bets on if they actually do add another area to the mechonis. I want to explore at least one of its rings.

The only reason Bionis Shoulder is still in the game is because there are major cutscenes set there. The Mechonis area may well have been as finished as the shoulder was.

>beat Zanza
>wait what
>there's another 10 hours of game afterwards
>a tower suddenly looms in the distance
>it's one of the two missing beanstalk towers that got sucked away into another universe from XB2's lore

I don't think its confusing either. But for most people coming in from 1, X and even simpler jrpgs, I imagine it's like going from the battle system in Chrono Trigger to the battle system in Chrono Cross - but with a far better battle theme.

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I hope they just go all out with the remake and include everything that they had to leave out before.

I found it simpler than 1 since you could do just about everything without ever changing characters. All you really do is time B presses and then use whichever element is next on the flowchart that they literally display for you at all times. What's the confusing part? Getting your party to use the element you want them to?

(cont.)
>Xenoblade X and Xenoblade 2 see a return to Takahashi's character driven format, rather than Xenoblade 1's story driven format.
Except for the fact that the Xeno series was ALWAYS story driven since the beginning, the only exception being precisely XbCX; also XbCX is far from being "character driven". Just because the story is even shittier than the characters, that doesn't make a game "character driven".
So nope, it was not a "return" to anything. In fact, it was an even lower fall for the series.

>Much more ambitious ideas and narratives
O I am laffin'! An 80% quest-driven offline-MMORPG and a literal Tales of (and not even a good one at that) are TOTALLY much more ambitious ideas and narratives than Xenoblade 1, ROTFLMAO are you fucking serious?!?

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No it's a good game but it has some big flaws the most obvious being one of the uglies art directions ever seen

I really hope they put a lot of the Bionis and Mechonis's worldbuilding into Bionis's shoulder because Xenoblade 1 is really lacking in world building compared to the other games, Eryth Sea being the exception

You’re thinking of Gears and Wels. Not that I’d be opposed to a future Blade game using Telethia for such a purpose.

Aren't most of those scenes prendered though? I'm pretty sure the major flyover with the Telethia at the end is, at least.

>How would you react?
I would cream myself

>O I am laffin'! An 80% quest-driven offline-MMORPG and a literal Tales of (and not even a good one at that) are TOTALLY much more ambitious ideas and narratives than Xenoblade 1, ROTFLMAO are you fucking serious?!?
You're trying way too hard here

I'd weep for handheld mode

Xenoblade X is better.

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I wish this gets a Switch port. Maybe I'll run it on CEMU but I feel it's going to get ported in a year or two

I'd just play it. No way it's getting a port any time soon with XBDE coming out.

I played it for the first time last year and I can assure theres a hell of a lot more to that game than nostalgia.

I want to learn more of the history of the colonies.