Give me ONE reason why necromancy is evil besides "Muh dead" and "Muh religion"

Jesus was a vampire, he trick his disciples into drinking his blood and they became his ghoulish servants

because it isn't real and you're schizophrenic if you think a larvae-ridden corpse is going to do anything if you say some meme words

You're right, that's a hoax like how he walked on water, multiplied fish and bread loaves, and raised himself from the dead.

it's literal slavery, except post-mortem, which is arguably even worse than normal slavery because at least living slaves could die and rest instead of having their immortal souls fucked with and barred from the afterlife or the void.

You're raising an army to basically fight a war for you against the powers that be, wonder why the local lord might be peeved about it

Based Amish

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>Nigga that's like saying computers are evil because they're not natural either.
No it's not. At all. Stop being a retard.

It's only bad if you resurrect good people, chilling in heaven. It's fine if you resurrect some criminals to be your slaves.

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>he has this saved to his hard drive so he can respond to posters who responded to a poster who made a post about jesus
How can one brain be so smooth

i just wanna sleep eternally fuck off lich faggot

Allowing the evil and tainted souls to wander the Earth again still sounds like you're evil though.

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Are necromancer fans fedora tipping queers? Is that why necromancers wear a dress?

>criminals
define that, would you? where do criminals start and where do they end? a petty theif boy, who stole an apple?

You never see necromancers treat undead with some kind of reverence for the body. It’s always shambling bones and rotting corpses. It’s never like a preserved dead body, they’re never in some form of military uniform, you never see them asking people to donate their family’s dead bodies to like protect their countries as eternal corpse warriors or something. There’s no reverence for the dead

Why are you revealing your anger to a man who posted the botttom-tier pic to troll atheists?

necromancy is just summoning, but reskinned for 17 year old edgelords

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You're making bones move with magic. Your argument is essentially saying that Telekinesis.is evil.

It's not evil, most necromancers are evil tho

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lmfao, underrated

It's slavery magic.

>be corpse
>chillin
>some lich gives me a sweet gig
>all the brains I can eat, all I have to do is recruit some friends
>they have to recruit friends too
it's just a fucking pyramid scheme. do not fall for vile Jewish necromancer trickery

It depends on the setting/lore/mechanics of the necromancy. If it's someone merely animating a corpse with magic rather than any fucked up demonic shit/messing with souls then I wouldn't consider it evil, just a bit fucked up.

pic is literally using necromancy while being a good inclined lawful neutral cleric/necromancer/monk multiclass
in-universe he's summoning skellingtongs of his great ancestor warrior heroes or whatever the fuck
which is literally "bringing back souls from a peaceful rest" as people in this thread describe as inherently evil

also, fuck off back to /tg/ with your autism

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It's just not ok, ok

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Enslaving someones soul to live on for possibly ever while being you slave and not being able to disobey is for starters. that and in a lot of setting necromancers just fucking murder people, defile graves, make dark pacts with satan etc.

Yeah but those souls consent to the practice
That’s ok. The issue is when you use some guy’s corpse without their consent

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Necromancy isn't real. It's fictional magic. In our modern reality obsessed western world, fiction is evil. Because it takes attention away from the social enginee- err, I mean, the totally positive trends of the media. Like screeching over Brexit and screeching over Trump and screeching over global warming. You know, all the "positive" real world things we should focus on instead of escapism. So magic as a whole is evil.

really though?
because so I chant "oh mighty corpse please heed my call" before reanimating a basic zombie it won't suddenly make things right

>Great ancestor warrior heros
And he lets them fight, thats what they did, and probably enjoyed it. My ancestors were probably just fucking farmers, and me bringing them back and making them slaves is wrong. Plus, who even knows how concious lizard people ancestors were. Its only wrong if their soul or conciousness is brought back anyways, if its just their body who cares

The ancestors clearly donated their bones so they could fight for and protect their descendants
He’s not going “WRETCHED FOOLS, SERVE ME OR SUFFER”, he’s asking his grandpa or grandma for some help

>telekinesis
>magic
Based retard

There is nothing wrong with necromancy. Do not believe Jewish lies

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t. Canaanite scum

I mean, if you consider ripping a couple of bones out of dead body a donation...
Either way both is just essentially putting souls into a mortal vessel.

>most undead don't work like that.
No, I'm fairly sure all necromancy works like that. The souls of the dead are what animate the body. Otherwise why not just animate some wood or metal or something?

>he’s asking his grandpa or grandma for some help
yeah so do regular necromancers, except without any facade

In cosmologies and worlds where Good and Evil are actual easily definable things such as D&D and other fantasy settings, interfering with the natural cycle of death and decay can usually be seen as an act of Evil, or you are channeling energy that is associated with Evil, et cetera (whereas raising/resurrecting those that died unnatural deaths is usually done with Good aligned energy, and in D&D with the approval of both the deity of the recipient's afterlife and the recipient themself).

This of course leads to hilarious conundrums like genociding a race of short-statured, hook-nosed, greedy beings who are racially Evil is seen as an act of Good. In Pathfinder, "Lawful Good" is DEFINITELY NOT "Lawful Nice".

Tomb Kangz were actually pretty close to this. The bodies weren't donated, but the rest happened.
Shame they got squatted and their big bad got his own Grand Alliance.

>Otherwise why not just animate some wood or metal or something?
this other user already figured it out

In Eberron setting the nation of Karrnath treated the dead they used for their armies with respect. Uniforms and good equipment etc.

>The power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.
Telekinesis fits that definition, user.

Because moralfags

>it's just summoning
It's literally not though

Necromancy is the evil sorcery of the invaders, an abomination to our ancestors. All true Dunmer worship their ancestors, and honor their traditions. Our ancestors now are mad with shame and hatred, seeing us brought low by beasts and lesser races. Only when we have driven the foreigners from the land can our ancestors rest.

it literally is though

Depends on the setting. In bog-standard D&D reanimated corpses or skeletons are soulless and lifeless, they are animated using Negative Energy (and Positive Energy, such as healing spells, hurt or kill them). Intelligent undead such as liches or vampires still have their souls, but skeletons and zombies are just remains, the souls that inhabited the bodies in the past are in their deity's afterlife or the city of the dead if they were false believers.

Are you animating soulless corpses that are just puppets or are you disturbing the soul? Are the souls you are recalling pure souls or damned souls? It depends I suppose. I wouldnt give a fuck if your pulling the soul of some dude being tortured in hell, but nabbing a soul chilling in Valhalla, that's pretty dickish.

Because unless someone gave your ass permission to reanimate their bony butt, you're violating them.
And that "oh they're dead their bodies are free game anyway" bullshit doesn't fly in a setting where this shit exists to begin with. You know what you're doing you corpsefucking faggot.

Technically there are some similarities, but I don't see how summoning something from another place or plane, and animating something using energy summoned from another plane are quite the same thing. There's different steps involved, it's like claiming that driving a speedboat and sailing an America's Cup yacht are the same. Boat are watercraft but the way you go about it is different.

I guess that sort of makes sense, if negative energy is what animates them. In that case though, it would make sense to use some other type of energy to do some other type of summoning; fire elementals or whatever-the-fuck. The only people using negative energy at that point are the ones that are genuinely evil.

So it boils down to:
Trapping the souls of the dead - evil
Being evil enough to use negative energy - evil

In either case, necromancy is an act of evil.

> I don't see how summoning something from another place or plane, and animating something using energy summoned from another plane are quite the same thing
>be weakass nigger
>can only win by ganging up on someone
>cast yourself some allies
>you're gucci now
>Boat are watercraft but the way you go about it is different.
its just means to an end
unless you care about gay shit like karma or whatever the fuck
might as well start taking HRT and eating french fries with mayonese

Depends on the fantasy's rules about being dead. Does a person still own their body after death? How about his soul or whatever? What about his relatives or those close to him?
I see nothing wrong with reanimating animal corpses tho.

Well that’s ok. If I’m drafted into somebody’s workforce posthumously I better get the same respect I would get when I was alive
I’m coming out of retirement for this shit

You retards talking about souls and evil constantly are ignoring the practical actual application of an army of corpses

Anyone who commands an army to take your shit will not be well liked whether it's an emperor or necromancer

No I mean they probably voluntarily donate their bodies to the college of necromancy or whatever after death similar to donating your body to science

I'm writing a book and the main power is a honorable gunslinger lich.

If your town is poor, and can't give food, gold, metal, etc, you can join the kingdom by giving him your dead. He makes the skeletons do all the manual labor. And you can call for help with their skulls (I call it a skelephone). They are not sentient.

Only the most skilled and righteous get turned into undead, as it is a dangerous and unpredictable process with no guarantee for success.

The world is fucked, and this man is the only one trying to bring order back to the world.

I think he's a pretty cool guy.

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Sounds cool
I want to see him in a crossover with a ghost rider one day

One of the main characters is the only bad guy he turned undead some 100 years ago. Every time he dies he comes back, and his only desire is to die. He figured that by doing good deeds he will atone for his past crimes bit what he doesn't realize is that doing the good deeds isn't enough. He will only be allowed to die when he changes his ways and starts doing good deeds for their own sake, not for personal gain.

radical mannimarcoists ww@

Well, I mean he is a Jew after all.

it's unhygienic and smells bad
keep your skeletons and zombies clean and people will like you more

>Necromancer in mmo
>you can only summon one (1) skeleton.

Niggers made you feel bad about it even though straight up summoning demons is far worse because you're enslaving something that still has consciousness and free will.

Here’s an example of a good necromancer
1d4chan.org/wiki/Millennial_King

Van is literally our guy

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I'm posting this on reddit right now

niggermancy is not just you puppeteering my dead body; that would be pulling a frankenstein, which is merely you arguably defiling a corpse. with most works of fiction, necromancy is either directly or indirectly suggested to be a corruption of the soul of the being that used to own that corpse, bending it to your will while simultaneously driving it insane through whatever sheeny curse you used in the first place
>the jew calling others jews to excuse his kikehood
Back you go

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>Muh afterlife
If your god has so much power, how could a mere mortal do anything that goes against his will? Get back in the fucking corpse and help me ascend to lich-hood already.

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A few nations in dominions are like that, the one egypt nation is ruled by the dead and the lizard dudes also honor them greatly

The problem with Necromancy and more specifically Necromancers is what their goal is. Obviously if you're an evil dude you're gonna do evil shit with those skelebros. If you're morally good person who's doing necromancy to bring back your friend, then it's just a downward slope and eventually you'll become evil. You'd have to do research and try to bring back the dead which is gonna be hard at first so you'll fuck up. You're gonna fuck up a lot of times so you'll probably lose respect for the dead. You'll get so deep into your research, you'll lose sight of what your original goal was. Eventually you'll go mad when the constant KLACK-KLACKs are everywhere. i wish my sister were still here

>necromancy is either directly or indirectly suggested to be a corruption of the soul of the being that used to own that corpse,
This is rarely the case, to the point where I can't actually think of any examples where this is what happens off the top of my head.

Entertaining read, but
>extreme caution is taken in the reanimation ceremony that the soul is not trapped in the body
The entire thing hinges on this right here. In some settings the soul of the dead is bound to the body which is what animates it. In such a setting a good necromancer would be an impossibility. The Millennial King would be a tyrant enslaving his own people after death.

I think for it to be possible to have all the benefits of necromancy with none of the drawbacks in this setting is a bit silly. You can't just hand wave that away with "extra care is taken". If the soul does not animate the body, then what does? If the soul is not required for animation, why animate a dead body at all? Using the same technique on a suit of armor would be more effective.

Dead bodies will eventually be made no matter what, armor won’t
And they’re animated by black magic duh

>We'll never have a game were you can join a faction of socially acceptable necromancers that protect the city with all kinds of corpses from our fallen allies/enemies
Hold me

>Necromancy isn't real

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>You can't just hand wave that away with "extra care is taken". If the soul does not animate the body, then what does?
Literally magic. Even in virtually all D&D settings the soul that used to inhabit the body is untouched when it comes to animating the body, even if just because being able to just yank any soul out of the the afterlife at anytime could cause problems. Like if they're in hell and demons have their soul or their deity doesn't want them to leave.

>Dead bodies will eventually be made no matter what, armor won’t
Animate trees or animals or something then

>And they’re animated by black magic duh
Not in that setting, as describe on the page itself.

"They advise the Millennial King and perform some of the most advanced rituals the kingdom requires, like creating Sentinels and releasing the souls of those unwillingly bound in undeath (like the victims of unscrupulous necromancers or the thankfully-rare botched reanimation)"

See above, enslaving the soul to the body is literally how necromancy works in that setting, except for the Millennial King, because reasons.

>Like if they're in hell and demons have their soul or their deity doesn't want them to leave.
Deities in D&D-type settings are not God with a capital G in the sense that they are all-seeing, all-powerful. Souls are often sent on their way by divine servants of the gods rather than the gods themselves, and it is entirely possible to thwart the plans of gods - in minor ways like taking a soul or two. Upset a god enough that it deems you worthy of attention and you're pretty fucked.

yikes sweety um lets unpack this,
like litearlly just imagine having an image of one of the most popular and spammed memes in the history of this site
i'm literally shaking

diablo 3 necromancers disagree.

>See above, enslaving the soul to the body is literally how necromancy works in that setting,
Fair enough. For what it's worth, that's basically how it works in my setting, though using as soul to power it is mandatory instead of just "something that happens." The soul also needs several control spells added to it before it's placed in the body, otherwise the undead is free-willed, usually in severe amounts of pain because of all the rotting/nonexistent nerve endings, and tries to kill the necromancer in virtually all cases. Since the gods directly absorb souls to power themselves, even the setting's only evil god has necromancers on a "kill on sight" order for all their followers.

The necromancers are only safe on a place called the Dead Isles, and only because the gods and their angels can't go there themselves(one angel tried, but as soon as it crossed a certain boundary, it just started screaming, then looked like it's entire body was being forcefully pulled through a hole the size of the eye of a needle before all traces of them just vanished. They stopped trying after that). it's also the only place undead can be raised without a soul for reasons no one knows(one guy tried to divine exactly why, but when he did he started screaming, his entire body shriveled up like a raisin, and he died on the spot), so necromancers generally hung out there anyways.

Yeah but they also have the Risen that are just animated bodies with no souls
The only undead who have their souls bound in the kingdom are those who consent to it, and they don’t even force you to have to have your body used after you die

nigga what?

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>conesnt
>muh morality
>muh evil
I'm going to burn down an orphanage that nobody cares about and raise an undead child army to raze your fucking country.

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Congratulations, you’re stereotypical

Nybeth did nothing wrong

Why does the universe care if this bad guy commits good deeds for good's sake? Or is it just the lich fucking with him and trying to instill a lesson?

Lich fucking with him. Basically, he's a bad guy, but the lich sees a twinkle of goodness deep inside him. So he brings him back, placing controls on him so he can't actually hurt innocents, watches him, etc.
Lich basically pretends to hate him, hoping he'll learn his lesson.
And if he doesn't, and he's still evil, he'll bury him alive in a metal box for all eternity.

That's very boring though.