All jokes and contrarianism aside, are there ANY games with combat better than the Souls games?

Do you not realize that this is fucking trash combat or are you trolling?

Skyrim

monhun is too slow and easy

Nioh has better combat, but worse everything else.

@477463558
Don't respond to this bait

Monster Hunter has much better combat and I don't know how people can still call Dark Souls good now that MH is finally on PS4 and you retards can play a proper game.

>dodge simulator without any positioning required and three different attacks and worst archery ever done in a video game
>best combat

What is wrong with From subhumans?

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Redpilled.

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But endgame Monster Hunter is 100 times harder than From Software shit? There is nothing in From Software shit that even comes remotely close to Extremoth, AT Nergigante or Lunastra, let alone Iceborne and whatever it might get in the future.

What idiots like you don't understand is that From Software shit throws its hardest bosses at you right away when you barely even understand the game mechanics. Meanwhile Monster Hunter gives you 300 hours to prepare for the hardest quests.

Have you ever fought Demon of Hatred after having killed it two or three times already? You know the whole thing inside out. It's piss easy. Meanwhile you can kill 100 Lunastras and this fucker still crushes your balls.

Kill yourself.

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Everything in Souls is a joke in comparison to 140 Zinogre, Rajang or some deviants, mate.

sage

>Dark Souls is popular
>now Yea Forums hates it
Like clockwork

Well, I always thought it was overrated, repetitive trash for NeoFAG since the very day I played it until now.

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that's cool as fuck

>reddit spacing
why i am not surprised

Happened with Undertale, happened with Breath of the Wild and it will continue to happen.

Monster Hunter is hypothetically the greatest combat system ever, however it's held back by slow-ass weapons like the Greatsword (which force monsters to certain minimum amounts of recovery frames) and weak moveset design which basically boils down to "attack directly in front of me and then turn" x 9000

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This 100%
Im a demons souls fag and haven't really enjoyed a souls game as much since but nioh combat was fucking quality. Real shame about the plot, missions, loot, souls-like elements, balance, enemies and bosses though.
It's truly a game that proves sometimes you need more than just good gameplay.

Daily reminder dark souls is more about memorization than technical execution. The skill floor just takes a bit more time to reach than most people were used to and the ceiling is laughably low. It's why you breeze through the game after you learn the system 3-6 hours in. Saying it's the best thing ever is subjective since everyone wants different things from their games :^)

Souls combat isn't "good", it's remarkably simple with good level and enemy/ boss designs that keep it fresh and fun

But Reddit loves your piece of shit of a game?

why does it sound like you have a personal thing with darksouls? do you really suck that bad at it?

I like monhun but it feels like shit compared to From games and the quest design is too MMO-esque.

theres a difference between hating something and laughing at some redditor who has played 10 games in his life

dark souls doesnt even have the best combat in its own series and even direct souls clones or other games from the same company like nioh or sekiro have better combat systems than souls, and both games get curbstomped by most actual action games with no rpg mechanics of any kind

>does a 180 in the air after commiting to an attack that the enemy clearly dodged
>strike the enemy with a laser beam from 200ft away instead of with the actual blade
Yeah, this shit is so much better than souls. I like monhun but being flashy =/= better combat

It's easy. Just annoying how overrated it is by brainlets.

See this very thread where someone just posts a fucking dodge roll and claims it's the best combat ever. You guys need to get shot.

You sound like you’ve been backstabbed a few times lol madcuzbad

monhun gameplay is pretty easy and simple to me too.

It’s a game about being a literal zombie and fighting demons/gods/dragons gtfo with your tiny human logic fag

Souls combat is very soulless.

nobody tell the redditor that "reddit spacing" is a psyop to reveal redditors since they are the only people who unironically believe that its a thing that people "call out" on Yea Forums

feel free to show me a mention of "reddit spacing" before 2017 though

>gameplay is pretty easy and simple to me too
and you still like dark souls?

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>wants realism in a fantasy game
go play RDR2

this game early and mid game
late game everyone dies in one hit

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That's kind of a bad question considering there aren't many games with that style of combat, and the games I can think of with really amazing combat would be an apples and oranges comparison.

You know like some character action games have combat I think you could argue is better, but is trying to do something completely different. In terms of how well realized it is in and of itself, yeah it's definitely up there in terms of polish and design. I don't think there's an objective measure of how much so to compare to anything else though. A better direction might be to go into why specifically the combat works so well in your opinion.

Typical nuance-less combative Yea Forums question. There's certainly a discussion to be had on the topic, but this kind of phrasing is just fishing for "yeah, this game does idiot" equally thoughtless unexplained response.

3/10 - At least it's not aggressively stupid.

git gud

yeah
dark souls isnt hard by any means but it has tons of verity in weapons and builds
its been years since i last played a souls game in its intended way
i mostly play no death runs and runs with weird weapons and build and i still enjoy the shit out of every second of it.

>get visibly hit
>take no damage
Truly amazing masterpiece. Here's a game with better combat Gothic 2 now fuck off

>I like monhun but being flashy =/= better combat
That's true. Monster Hunter is both, though, flashier and better. And don't pretend Souls doesn't have a lot of retarded animu attacks now (that usually just suck ass and are clunky to pull, though). Don't even know how someone can believe Souls has good combat. It's literally the bare minimum. Three boring random attacks and a dodge roll. That's it. The enemy is always some sword dude without even any different hitzones.

The difference I know you are full of shit, which is why you can't prove your claim and wouldn't play with me online.

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>implying a dumb shitposting meme is a psyop
take your meds

>it has tons of verity in weapons and builds
just like monster hunter
>play no death runs and runs with weird weapons and build and i still enjoy the shit out of every second of it.
just like me with monster hunter
You should play it it will probably have a lot of things you like

/thread
Dark Souls is baby's first hard game
you want a game to turn you into a full-blooded bushy-bearded man, you play this through completely.

>you can't prove your claim and wouldn't play with me online.
im gonna buy world again on pc soon
ive played a bit of gen u and world
it was ok but not as good as DS games to me
i am gonna replay it soon. and will give it a better chance since ill be playing it with a mon hun fan
but still i doubt itll be as good as DS

>nu hunter
Lamo

Is this your first video game or something? jesus

Dashing instead of rolling is more immediately believable visually when it's being spammed.

In monster hunter you fight all enemies more or less the same. You never need to actually use any interesting tactics. It-s pretty shit.

>webm unrelated
Dmc 1
Now get the fuck out, fromdrone

youtu.be/l2SS9UiVaIQ

>Dmc 1
You are like one of these retards saying their favorite movie is 7 samurai just to look like oldfags.

DMC 1 aged like fucking dick cheese.

>DMC 1 aged like fucking dick cheese.
And it's still better than fromshit

cringe

>All jokes and contrarianism aside, are there ANY games with combat better than the Souls games?

I don't think it's just about combat, it's a combination of simple, responsive and satisfying combat with memorable enemies and bosses to use against. From Software for the most part gets all of these areas just right while other games tend to fail on some of those things causing the games to fall short.

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Also, the variety of movesets and form factors for bosses (not even talking about aesthetic variety( in bosses is much bigger in souls games.

>"Why yes, I have never played a MH game, how can you tell?"

But I have. They're a lot less viarable because "muh balance". Also, you have a lot less freedom in character building and less interesting equipment.

That's because MH is game that depends more on you getting better as a player instead of leveling up and getting stronger equipment.
With the right buff you can destroy any Dark Souls boss in seconds.

NGB it's also the greatest game ever made

Why does Yea Forums keep pretending that this is somehow an exceptionally difficult or good game?

Now post the beginning of the fight where even locking onto him will force the camera to look behind you as he's flying around

sekiro completely shits on dark souls in terms of basic combat

Sekiro

>cool as fuck weapon arts
>99% of its attacks are parryable
What a fucking shame.

I don't play le ebin online pvp you zoomer faggot

You can do the same shit in monster hunter

Monster Hunter
Sekiro
Any good fighting game
Viewtiful Joe

Lmao dark souls is so fucknig easy and basic, i don't know why some faggots overhype this shit so much.
Sekiro, Bloodborne, Monster hunter and literally any decent action game had surpassed dark souls

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Yes.

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Bait thread aside, the combat in these games are simple since combat isn't the goal. Demon Souls is just Zelda 1, it's an adventure game not a fighting game, even the devs had to change the genre of the series to appeal to the fans (Bloodborne is a hack and slash instead). It's more like an RPG than a hack and slash like Ninja Gaiden.

I should also mention 'Leveling Up' exists only to encourage the player to keep going, like the game over screen in Cuphead. Managing a build didn't have to use the leveling system either. Just felt like putting that out there since so many people misunderstand the genre of these games due to poor marketing/elitism which put me off these games for years.

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Mordhau.

Monster hunter
DMC

Games where dodging requires actual evasion.

Imagine being this new.

Sekiro

I press teh doge buttun and it haz the iye frames and eye fel good when it doges,

sekiro

I made this webm forever ago, I've always wondered why it's reposted so much.

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It's the Yakuza webm of Dark Souls.

>Dark Souls

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based
hyped for that elden ring hotness

Mizaki-santa is a jeenius.

You have to go back.

a jeenius

No. I can't take it anymore. Nothing gives me the same rush.

armored core for answer, it has flying

Imagine thinking nu-monhun is some oldfag shit, lol. Probably underage.

Monster Hunter knocks it out of the park it's not even a competition.

>Monster Hunter is better than Souls comba-

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Nioh improves of the souls combat formula in every regard.

>Monster Hunter

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Completed this again recently for the first time since I was a teenager. It's fucking great, but not as good as souls.

Good action games like NGB/2 , DMC3/4SE/5 , Bayo 1/2 just as examples are better gameplay wise then Souls shit. But Souls shit is still fun besides Sekiro which felt like a linear insulting action game to me coming from them. Every boss felt like you were just learning to parry/block it to death and only 2-3 of them were interesting like that and only like 2-3 others were gimmicky enough to fight them in other ways.

Souls shit is fun though because of the other elements but if anyone thinks its the pinnacle of 3rd person combat they're just being a insecure shitter who couldn't learn a game with deeper mechanics/more to it and think hitting circle and R1 well dodging big animation attacks is somehow deep because they themselves can muster that but not the other.

Is this a joke, its a fucking rolling simulator. It was beaten with a guitar hero guitar and donkey conga bongo drums. Its shit tier combat and only popular because “its so hard” for people with sub80 iq

Sekiro has the best combatat of agy gamen ever, at goes cling aclangs cling clang cling clang , I think the games is revolutionnary because ti has a jump mbutton which the other esdark soul s idid nont do.

MH is god awful

Why is Sekiro still $60 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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>NG2
>Bayo 2

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Well I disagree and think NGB is leagues better then Souls I can respect this opinion. But I cannot fathom thinking the core combat is better then NGB which is the whole topic of this thread.

On a side note watching DSP basically rage quit on the 2nd boss on normal blew my mind. You can basically jump off walls at the back when you hear him coming and because mages don't fire off screen often you'll end up hitting them for free ninpo/life and the boss for damage who barely has shit to reach you. Otherwise its still easy as fuck normally you can just dodge the horse well killing the mages for essence and UT/despawn the mages for each life cycle.

I will agree though I do sympathize with anyone who is first doing the horse fight segment before the boss. Its really fucking lame and gay if you aren't used to it. It can be really slow because its a fight with a different pace the most of the first ones.

cuz its worth every penny

This is about combat and not overall product. And I will still fight on the hill that Bayo2/NG2 are better then any Souls game bar DaS1. DaS2 is a game with okay PVP and bad bosses in shit easy areas and DaS3 feels like sloppy shit with decent bosses. NG2s combat is top 3 tier shit its just the rest of the game didn't get polished enough.

Reminder that DSP beat Sekiro, when most of Yea Forums got filtered.

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>Why is Sekiro still $60
Activision

Yes, and Bayo 2's combat is fundamentally terrible. You can't even relaunch enemies without going back into Witch Time.

>the second roll only saves him because ds3 has infinite iFrames
if that was monster hunter you'd be waking up on a cart dragged by cats

DSP beat the final boss of Sekiro that tons of people bitched about as impossible and took streamers hours. But then gets filtered by NGB on normal in the first few chapters going full off the rails and bringing up Souls shit which is like a dog turd compared to NGB combat.

Now I think Sekiro is harder then the first two chapters of NGB on fucking normal by miles I know shitters who just blazed those parts with a few deaths at most. But it makes you think how Souls shitters/DSP have a learning disability with mechanics. Sekiro doesn't have much mechanically in comparison especially not Souls but they can persist and muster to the end. Is it because there is so little and its just mastering one thing opposed to multitudes of tactics and boss patterns?

No

>he pays for single player games
Lmao

>Pirating a FromSoft game

Is this agreeing? Because if the argument is Bayo2s combat isn't as stylish as 1 therefore its bad there is fundamentally nothing deep or stylish in Souls combat. You cannot even combo bosses most of the time and in PVP all you can do is 1-2 hit combos into parry baits besides DaS1 nonsense. None of which is impressive because doing both I can say Bayo2s dumbed down combat is still more fun.

I actually liked Sekiro's rhythm based combat more.

I've enjoyed all the Souls games and Bloodborne/Sekiro a lot but some people hype up its combat way too much. It really is not very deep or complex at all. Honorabru duel fags are cringy and gay as fuck also. These games are excellent for the exploration, equipment options, and sense of adventure. Not so much the combat.

I don't trust video game torrents

Please.

>No pirating a Fromsoft game
>Games that cannot do 30fps consistently
>Games that are riddled with bugs
>Games that have insultingly spotting quality control

There is nothing special about From its the normiecore hardcore series.

>Bayo2s dumbed down combat is still more fun.
It's not the dumbing down that's the problem; it's the asinine design choices, like making bosses intangible outside of Witch Time.
Bayo 2 is DmC tier.

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>There is nothing special about From
*blocks your path*

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>Good action games like NGB/2 , DMC3/4SE/5 , Bayo 1/2
Juggle shit? No thanks.

>He thinks Yea Forums is the only place who's ever heard of this game
Dude, you're not some sort of hipster who like an unpopular game. Most of the people who've actually heard of this game like it. Games "journalists" don't count. Yeah sorry pal, your favorite game is actually pretty well liked by the handful of people that actually played it.

You mean humanoid bosses and yes I agree on that. I was so hyped when they revealed the Umbra faggot and the final boss being humanoid because Ryu clone and Vergil are the most kino action game fights. Only to realize besides specific launchers/witch time these faggots will dash into a attack after being hit twice to the point where you will get hit when first fighting them a bunch of times before you realize it.

At the very least they should've dashed away into something unique/spectacle related but it was just dashing into a slash or kick or some shit. I mean I still found it fun and found the big bosses fight and shit but these two were just beyond lame in comparison.

>the most kino action game fight

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>All jokes and contrarianism aside
Games with the best combat I've played "recently": MH:W, DMC5, Sekiro, Bloodborne and Souls series and Hollow Knight.
FS is really competent studio when it comes to gameplay design

DS2 fag here
What the FUCK is that stamina consumption when rolling
Can you roll infinitely with higher stamina?

It's not called Hallway Rolls 3 for nothing.

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MH is shit. Boring ass slow game.

>just hit the i-frame button with the right timing

this, the gameplay has always been mediocre at best

>people defend early DeS/DaS combat because "it's hard, it's supposed to be janky, imagine rolling and swinging IRL with all that armor!"
>later games make the combat far more smooth and similar to action games
>the same people praise the changes to the style while saying the new games are the pinnacle of combat despite barely managing to do what action games have done competently well before even DeS

You can roll infinitely even with low stamina. Hallway Rolls 3 is casual as fuck.

>Hollow Knight

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This is why Souls zoomies will never be taken seriously.

I like all of the souls games but don't pretend that the combat is deep at all. Just because a fight is more challenging doesn't mean that the combat system is intricate

>Reading comprehension

Literally red dit the post.
Stay mad fagit.

God Ha-
Oh,

IGN was completely right about this shit game and i regret getting meme'd into buying it by Yea Forums

Yeah, OP's post was implying that Souls combat is the end-all of videogame combat. A game that revolves entirely around:
>smack once, twice, dodge away
>repeat
doesn't fit that bill for me

You have to go back.

overall? Ninja Gaiden
same company? Sekiro

Sekiro kind of made every Soulsborne combat obsolete.

congrats your as stupid as reviewers that at regularly made fun of for bad taste and shit skill

>izuna drop simulator
>good

Ninja gaidens combat is severely overrated. Its the goto game these autists point to for "good" combat acting like its going to give them cred or something.

Souls have 0 depth,any character action game even the bad ones have better gameplay

>invincibility frame roll through everything
>better than ninja gaiden

>Ninja Gaiden's combat is severely underrated
ftfy

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Nioh

God of War

>block then go into izuna drop
Thanks for proving my point retard.

ball busta

see you can actually do stuff in these games,DS is so brainead

?He does more stuff, DS is only attack and roll,too simple

>ng is attack,roll and jump

Whoa, clearly the best combat

the guy was dead way before the izuna drop
that was just for style

Keep on seething

>dodge roll
>poke
>dodge roll
>poke
>good combat

Dragons Dogma btw.

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Are you fucking telling me you dont fight everything is souls by roll spamming?

Whatever makes you happy

>sekiro
>bloodborne
>fucking MONSTER HUNTER
>good
Holy casual

How did he do it though? Did he just cheese it by baiting that one really easy to punish attack or by actually gitting gud?

If the combat is so great then why is the series dead?

Check and mate

>invents buzzword so they can avoid admitting they're salty over other people having fun/a game they dont like being succesful.

this is the "install gentoo" of /g/

That makes me actually sad

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Yeah and it only took 10 years.

But MH combat is way better than Souls combat, and way harder too since you don't get five second long i-frames like you do in Souls. The combat in MH is much more about positioning and timing while Souls is really all just circle strafing and roll,roll,roll. Also theirs actual weapon variety in MH. All the weapons feel entirely different from one another and they don't share any of the same move sets like a lot of the weapons in Souls.

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good kitties

>roll
>attack
>roll
>roll
>attack
>attack
>WIN
Funniest part was that I typed this before even watching the video and he ended up doing exactly what I said

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Any retard can beat the dark souls games. I don't understand how people don't realize that

Do enemies not react to your attacks? the guy overhead smashes the lizard's head in and it just continues its charging motion.

imagine this except your dude had sekiros combat system
god someone should make a mod

Not unless its an actual powerful hit

you can't just stagger a big fuck off monster with a stick of shitty katana metal

>coping faggot
Everything IGN said about this game is true. The story is shit and the voice acting is cringe and you can't use "it's self aware" as some get out of jail free card.
The levels are so fucking bland from both visuals and design stand point. Literally early mobile games tier. The controls are fucking awful. So many of the design choice are retarded. Who the hell thought healing items being unstorable random drops is a good idea? Go fight this boss with literally 0 health, because you were unlucky and not single health item dropped the entire level. That's so fucking fair. Forced to spam guard breaks because it's impossible for a human being to react to a guard in time. The camera is cancer as well. Unnecessarily zoomed in so enemies can hit you outside your fov. Oh and fucking QTEs.

for the same reason that the game that every developer is still desperately copying in 2019 (system shock 2) was a literal flop that didnt make its budget back when it released. It was too good for the mainstream mouthbreather audience that flocks to epic shit designed for 14 year olds with cheeto dust hands

Not in 3D there aren't.

This is arguably the best non-FromSoftware combat of any 3D third-person game. Unless you count Resident Evil 4, but that's a shooter, so that's a bit different.