Was it autism?

Always funny when brainlets like you miss the point so hard

yeah sure Obsidian game ares for true intellectuals and not overrated janky trash at all
lmao

the problem is in that particular instance where she harps on at you for being light sided or dark sided, on nar shaadar, you can't fucking get out of that conversation without giving in to being a dick or giving the guy credits, even if you actually have none
its poorly done in that regard, and her harping on at you gets very repetitive and old fast, which is noted by your character if you want to take that route
>stop making light choices
>stop making dark choices
>stop making choices
>but you can't

>Why did you do good thing?
>Why did you do bad thing?
>Why did you do thing?
>apathy is death

>seething this hard that you missed the point instead of trying to better yourself and learning what it is
And this is why you're a brainlet instead of just uninformed

reminder that kreia never says apathy is death, that's from the force vision on korriban

The general idea is you have to both defend your ideals/beliefs if you believe them worthy and be prepared to analyse them and revise or even outright discard them if they have intrinsic failings.
But the end was a mangled mess anyway so who knows, maybe there was meant to be a third way of sorts.

"I'm just playing devil's advocate, bro"

She's just a bitter asshole.

Doesn’t anyone else find it fucking odd that Kreia is just there for the majority of the game with little explanation and no one questions it? I know the game tries to shoehorn in the idea that she is manipulating the force, but it is just odd that no one questions this up until she is about to change the galaxy

How long have you played through Peragus? I knew those "skip the tutorial planet" mods are eventually going to cause problems somehow.

options boil down to
evil
>i'm strong and might proves me right
>the weak will suffer and gain strength for it
>haha fuck everything lol
good
>i believe anyone can be saved, it's not weakening them
>a good action encourages others and i want to lead by example
>i have the jedi code stuffed so far up my asshole my breath smells like corcuscant

I have finished Peragus multiple times. Atton questions her, but then he simply goes along with it after he is blackmailed and no one says zilch about her afterwards

sounds like evil is where all the testosterone is.
and good being where the s o y is.

You can be a sarcastic bastard and still be high up on the light side without giving a fuck. The only thing that brings you down is when you purposefully go after npcs and start extorting/threatening them. Also, light has better prestige classes

i bet you fart out semen, cupcake

I like to imagine the New Jedi order was founded on the principles of Stevan worship

t. Spergs out and kills every Jedi master only to get scolded by Kreia

*Revan
Fucking autocorrect

>kills every Jedi master
funny...
they could master the jedi ways, but couldn't master the art of not dying.

Thank you Atton

The Jedi masters are hard to fucking kill. Did anyone else get killed by Vrook when they tried to raid Khoonda?

Replay the game.

Do a Guardian build

I wish I could kill just Vrook without getting the "you have failed me completely and utterly" ending

DS can also be "he should be ready for assholes being assholes to people, essentially facing consequences of his actions". LS can also be "I'm doing it because while it's a small thing, it helps make the Galaxy stronger in these troubled times". I'm sure if I sat down and thought about it I could think of more motives. I did come up with more in the past but there didn't appear to be any reason to write them down.

The one thing the Last Jedi did great was establishing just how dead the Jedi/Sith ways are and why
The Jedi prioritized rigid beliefs and obsessive restraint on being actively involved while the Sith believed that their power and mindset put them above such things
That changed when Sheev broke the system by becoming a Politique of an Empire with the backings of Sith power, but not necessarily creating a Sith Empire, using manipulation of plants and use of powerful technology (Clone/Droid Army and the Death Star) as the weapon to wipe out the Jedi. He abided by the rule of two for himself and Vader but still utilized force users as an arm of the state rather than actual Sith.
The Last Jedi showed that Kylo Ren and Rei may be force users, but they are not bound by arbitrary orders like Jedi or Sith, they just exist in the world. While it's not the same as Kreia's pragmatism, it shows the forces supremacy as an all powerful tool of the individual, not a balancing force of two mindsets

The stated reason for her tagging along is the Bond.

Vrook was essentially a light side Kreia with the prick factor added in, if you could even called him light side. He is a massive hypocrite and it is always satisfying to kill him

>The stated reason for her tagging along is the Bond
James Bond's in Star Wars?

Yeah, only he's called Force Bond there.

Yea, the force bond is the hook of the game, i think they say that you might as well stick together since your lives are tied together.

But it’s also implied that she hides herself away from your companions with the force so no one questions her presence.

>But it’s also implied that she hides herself away from your companions with the force so no one questions her presence.
Are you saying that I finally need to play it again? Never picked up on that except where it was explicitly pointed out.

If you play female there is an entire event with Mical that shows Kreia sneaking around and wiping his memory

>Mical
Eughh. Yeah, I did play without him replaced by Handmaiden once. Long ago. Guess I'll have to give it a shot. Or just read the dialogue lines using that utility.

the impulse that makes you post threads like these?
yes, definitely.

Bump

No. She isn't hard to understand and it still blows my mind that people still dont understand.

>no true neutral route where you live up to her expectations

0/10

Just play darkside but don’t kill the masters

>don’t kill the masters
But, why?
They are faggots.

Kreia was redpilled as fuck, the real issue is that the game itself won't let YOU come to the same conclusion as her on your own, your only choosable options are to be pathologically altruistic or an edgy retard.

No, she believed the Force was evil and needed to be destroyed.
Isn't there a term for the belief that God is evil?

Misotheism.

Because Kreia wants to prove them wrong and make them see the truth.

But, that's her own bias/motivations getting in the way. Surely she, of all people, must see that?

She specifically pulls that shit with Atris too. It makes sense to assume she’s doing it the whole game. It’s also totally a thing she WOULD do.

She does and she doesn’t. Her entire training regime is arguably done so you can question the answers she’s come up with and forge your own, better path.

Those fags are objectively at fault for letting the Galaxy burn because they failed to react to the Mandalorian invasion quickly enough. This had the following direct consequences: undermining trust in their Order among the populace; leaving millions in a state susceptible to shit like revanchism mentality (this caused a world war IRL); letting those who disobeyed the Council's orders become broken or exposed to negative emotions on such a scale only the most strong-willed did not Fall (and this one had the consequence of allowing the wacky duo to assemble a huge Dark Jedi following); greatly weakening the Order, the only force able to stand against the new threat, both through losses of all kinds and through splintering and doubt.
Worse yet, their inability to accept and try to understand what the Exile has become lead them to being completely ignorant of that Nihilus thing. With predictable results.
I can go on.

Pazaak is so simple yet so fun to play.
Why?

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It’s funny, because I’ve seen idiots compare Kotor II to TLJ. Including one in this very thread, who I refuse to give a (you). They seem to think Jake was taking cues from Kreia, when in fact his inaction and hubris is a very strong parallel to the Jedi Council of the time.

>idiots compare Kotor II to TLJ
Well, yeah, both KotORs might be technically EU, but DisneyWars is just a bunch of shitty fanfics so any comparisons they draw are largely irrelevant.

First time playing Kotor2, can someone explain the classes to me?

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Maybe later.

Guardian is melee-focused.
Sentinel is jack of all trades but with a built-in invisibility cloak. Lots of skill points. Obviously meant to be a DEX-heavy class, but don't fall for the blasters meme because your ass is going to drown in lightsaber users deflecting (and even reflecting) your shit back at you. Also Finesse is just as much of a meme.
Consular is POWER!!! UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!

Can I really become the Senate?

Are there any stats I should avoid?

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TightTwi'lekSith Pussy

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When you fully commit to becoming the Senate you'll be killing enemies through walls in the next room.
Avoid keeping base stats (STR/DEX/etc.) on odd numbers, only evens give you the next point up. Put everything in persuasion.

Noice, thank you. Have a Goth

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>Can I really become the Senate?
Kinda. The game does a really poor job at giving either LS or DS characters opportunities to role-play different motivations, after all. But Exile does form those Bonds with everyone story-wise, even if there is only one mechanical expression of that. Don't forget to recruit Mira the bounty hunter before dipping below the equator and into DS (otherwise you get the furball) for the fullest possible edgy kids crew. Or just install a mod that allows to choose which of them you want, regardless of your alignment.

>Are there any stats I should avoid?
No. But Consular depends on WIS for Force point pool and some other neat things and CHA for not getting penalized as much for using Force Powers from the opposite Side. Both WIS and CHA contribute to saving throw difficulty against your Powers and to strength of some of those powers. Besides WIS gives you improved resistance against the few times enemies throw Powers at you.
Also it's a D&D adaptation so CHA is CHA if you want to go for that charismatic diplomat feel.

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Consular sucks if you're not playing on the dark side since it has the best offensive force powers.

It's been a while but if you plan on playing a dex-monkey or force wizard you really don't need much strength at all.

She was basically an evil Socrates with magical powers.

>>Consular sucks if you're not playing on the dark side since it has the best offensive force powers.
Only if you abstain from using DS Powers for RP reasons.

Haven't played it in over a decade but you want the one that allows you to force jump. I hate running and wasting time catching up to the enemy.

>Guardian is for fags who run "auto level up" and don't want to ever do anything except wear heavy armour and mash flurry to win
>Sentinel is the pro class that goes in with 18 Intelligence and then levels it to 20 and takes feats to make everything a class skill, proceeding to max them out constantly for the entire game, making everything and becoming supremely powerful through superior wargear
>Consular is for people who want to talk their way through, explore the depths of dialogue, and use shitloads of force powers (and so is basically the dark side playthrough since they get all the decent force powers)
make sure when you reach your force class at level 15 you don't pick a class that goes in the opposite direction unless you know what you are doing
I.E don't decide to be a sith assassin because it sounds cool when you're playing as a guardian, because it will royally fuck your build up when suddenly all your strength becomes worthless, the same applies for other classes, you will get fucked big time

using powers outside of your alignment sucks up a ton of force power though. You can get by with the neutral ones but it's more fun to force choke a bitch.

Do you mind directing me to that mod?

Thanks for the answers

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guardian I believe
>counts as a sneak attack if attacking an opponent out of their combat range

don't worry about anything you eventually get feats which turn you basically immortal anyway, deflecting blaster bolts, putting your dex / str bonus into your attack and defence, and creating armour and gear that makes mockery of the system, and then using combinations that just make it laughable anyway
you will acquire a crystal for your lightsabre which scales with your level and your choice of alignment and class which will turn even a weakling into a power house
also the ever trusty noob combo of master flurry + master speed + dual wielded lightsabers (better than a dual bladed lightsabre because you double up on the crystals) for like 6 hits in a single combat "round" - nothing survives more than two flurries, i promise you that, but it's gay
this character was a sentinel turned sith assassin, and was still wiping out entire groups of enemies with force storm despite being specced into 20 int and the rest constitution for the universal D-implant

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Once you get your mastery class and the Force regen Force form you basically have infinite Force anyway

Guardian has Force Jump, it's shit because it only triggers on a basic melee attack and not stuff like Power Attack and such, plus it's restricted by armour and Guardians don't really benefit from wearing Jedi Robes + the armoured Jedi Robes look gay as hell
If you follow your prestige class into Weapon Master (LS) or Sith Marauder (DS) it becomes Master Force Jump and gains more range, damage, chance of stun and also hit chance

It's pretty rough until then though. No matter what you end up becoming an untouchable force god by mid to late game anyways.

She just needs a good dicking

I want to become the Senate. Talk a lot, and be the Kinky Sith that chokes and electrocutes someone when they step out of line.

I can recommend the Clone Wars series, season 5 has some nice Mandalore kino.
Don't watch if you don't wanna get spoiled.

youtu.be/-7hBZNsPnyg

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you can unlock a force chain of powers called wound, choke and kill, sure. the first one merely slows them, second one does DoT with a chance to stun them in a choke, but its minimal damage mostly designed for the stun - most fuckers will resist it constantly unless you're maxed on charisma and wisdom though. kill does the same shit, but lasts longer and actually does damage
there's also force crush - very, almost pointlessly late game ability that does the classic vader pick up and break their neck thing, pretty much kills the opponent on hit on a successful roll, or does about half their health on a failed one, you'll need to mod it in if you want to use it for longer than an hour though
lightning is pretty much single target blast, single target blast that chains onto nearby enemies, and finally a huge blast that hits everyone in a huge radius around you
there's lots of talking but your character tends to be more of a listener than a talker, a lot of the actual skill check dialogue comes from companions, when you erode their will or convince them to let them help you and sadly, even if you corrupt a light sided guy to the dark side, they still only appreciate you doing light side acts to gain influence etc

>tfw you realize Anakin had a 10/10 royal feline (literal) pussy hanging from his dick and asking him to rule a new slave empire at her side, going as far as to defend his reputation against Dooku, and after all this he still chose the Jewess

There WAS something wrong with Anakin after all, but that wasn't the Dark Side....

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I wish Visas Marr was my wife!

He already had Ashoka as a side chick he didn’t need a cat

>you'll need to mod it in if you want to use it for longer than an hour though

Don't suppose you have that mod on hand?

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She has a philosophy on the Force and its place in the universe that isn't just based on good and evil. That's it. The only reason it's significant at all is because it's never addressed anywhere else.

>whynotboth.jpg
In any case, both were better than Padme. He should have chosen more wisely.

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He should've just given up the Jedi/Sith shit and pursued a life of space drugs and women.

Your build probably sucks

I think that gives TLJ way too much credit. The reason the Jedi and Sith religions are dead is because the Sith won. Sidious extincted the Jedi and fulfilled the Rule of One, which is the endpoint of Sith philosophy. But, in my opinion the overarching point of Star Wars (incl KoToR II) is that the Jedi still have a place in the Galaxy as Natural Philosophers of the Yin-Yang Force.

In regards the details of TLJ: Luke should have known from Vader that darkness can be redeemed. So when he became prescient of Kylo's potential Dark Side actions he should have trained him non-dogmatically. Luke realised the failing of Yoda, in teaching Jedi to be impossibly unemotional. It was emotion that motivated him to reconcile Vader, and emotion caused Vader to return to the light. But instead of training a new type of Jedi, he places the guilt of his own darkness on the Jedi as a whole. He was the Grand Master whether he wanted to be or not, and his apathy was a failure to Yoda and to the Jedi as an evolving institution. Apathy is death.

Fuck me I hate how Star Wars sucks me in like this.

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I'm built like a brick shit-house, kid.
Keep your fucking trap SHIT!

I think kreia would be annoyed with you if all you cared about was saying or doing shit to please her.

She'd say something along the lines of:
>"people killed for hitler."
Or something similar to that.

Isn't there a dialogue where either you or Kreia suggest that Vrook has fallen to the Dark Side? And then he says 'nu-uh'.

This. Gray Jedi 4lyfe.
Practical, powerful, yet not detached from life.

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Not exactly. She wants the jedi order to change how it thinks about the force. It's why she seeks out the exile. The masters represent the shitty old ideology of the jedi order and she wants to change that. It's why she doesn't want the exile to kill the masters. She wanted to defeat them to prove her ideology was right. There might be a petty revenge component in her motivation but for the most part she's just fucking right about the jedi.

>Practical
>"hurr-durr any hole's a goal"
>dies of space AIDS

Guardian is a tank or a tank/dps hybrid depending on what you want. Sentinel does a little bit of everything. Consular is a wizard

Not that it was malevolent, but that it binded everything so that malevolence could touch the whole Galaxy. She also believed that benevolence was malevolence with a delay, so on the whole the Force 'does' evil.

Every star wars media is so polarizing though because the dark side is so extreme. You're basically dark side if you're not actively helping others.

Ultimately I think the smarter approach for the future movies to make would have been that you can still be a LS/good guy but you don't have to give up your emotions to do so. That's more a criticism of the overall setting though.

Quads wasted on still missing the point. She doesn't care why you did something, she's provoking you to think. Any answer you give barring the lawful or chaotic stupid will get the same response.

>Why of course I don't subscribe to arbitrary moral descriptions like good or evil, instead I justify each of my actions by the results that will stem from them and if these results align with my personal sets of values

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>Consular sucks if you're not playing on the dark side
Not at all, their powers just aren't as flashy as it's dark side equivalent.

>Two choices
>She bitches at you no matter what you choose
Muh grey morality characters only really work when you have more than two choices or a way to get them to shut up

She bitches no matter which opinion you choose because she believes facing opposition makes you stronger. She chooses to oppose your viewpoint so you consider your own decisions and defend them so you aren’t just blindly doing good or evil

It's like....your choice man to do that.
I would be happy with a queen and a harem in some nice cozy planet to rule.

Yeah, that dichotomy is very extreme. Luke tried to enable close emotional relationships in the New Jedi Order, and I think that this would make the healthiest and safest route regarding the Jedi.

Btw, what do you think about that Gray Jedi Code? It's not canon of course.

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Grey Jedi are dumb too. It’s best to ignore the force entirely.

>bioware tries to put in a gray jedi
>only likes when you do lightside options hates you if you do anything whatsoever darkside

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>wanting to live up to her expectations

You aren't roleplaying as some random character you created in this world, you are roleplaying a character with an established background inside this universe. The lack of choice in that lecture is completely in keeping with the dichotomy of the star wars universe and it is in keeping with the theme of the game. Kreia wants the exile to consider the consequence of his or her actions instead of just doing good thing because jedi or bad thing because sith.

She's not advocating grey morality you dumb fuck.

I think that happens only to Sith Warrior in SWTOR? The ability to play a Light Side one.

bbqing people with force storm while running around like a cracked out weasel with master speed is fun as fuck

im talking about jolee in kotor

Unless you really fuck up your build you are basically invincible by the end of the game anyway. Just do whatever feels the most fun for the first run.

is this autistic? She was the BEST character
youtube.com/watch?v=iq1N8K0IyWs

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She's a potatohead.

Very well. Any suggestions on how to spend points regarding skills?

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>kreia wants you to be neutral
yikes

Reminder that even if it isn't actually her that says it it's something she would agree with

No one said thats what Kreia is advocating. Reading comprehension is a virtue, user.

She wants to KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF

Persuasion/computers for your first time. Once you know what you're doing you can roll sentinel and max out every useful skill.

>Think for yourself
>Conclude that whatever fate may bring is ultimately beyond your control, and that while you can never foresee every consequence, you can at least do what you can to help improve peoples' lot in life
>Alternatively, conclude that in order to survive, an individual must, whether directly or indirectly, take away from others in order to give to themselves, thereby ensuring only the strongest and ablest beings survive to propagate life; to deny this is to deny the natural order
What now?

I'm not the one with the reading comprehension problem you weird hypocrite.

no. kreia was just a failure who wanted to be right for fucking once in her life, and prove it to her peers. every time she was "betrayed" in some way so she broke and wanted revenge

You still don't get it. If you think I'm attacking you, why do you fight back?

Is your nose and your ass in the same place!

then you pick one. its simple. kreia just wants you to have conviction.

Kreia wants you to make choices for reasons you believe in, and to be able to defend those reasons. She wants you to develop and follow your own system
of beliefs, your own code. She tries to debate with you on your choices, to make you explain and reason out why you do the things you do. She doesn’t want you to just be a Jedi or a Sith, she wants you to do whatever YOU think is best and know exactly why you believe that. She doesn’t believe in altruism for altruism’s sake or violence for violence’s sake. Everything must have a justification

>Do you mind directing me to that mod?
It was called "The Miranharr Mod for KotOR: TSL (Free choice between Mira/Hanharr)" and I can't find it anywhere now.
This claims to do the same but I don't know whether it works at all.
deadlystream.com/files/file/108-choose-mira-or-hanharr/

Which brings us back to square one. I thought about it and made a choice with conviction but still get bitched at.

I get that Kreia is full of shit and the MUH CONVICTION argument doesn't hold water in context of the rest of her actions.

I bet if I wiped my ass Kreia would find some fault with that too
Like get the fudge off my back, Kreia, you smelly nigger.

Which is why you invest in CHA at least at chargen and preferably later as well (mostly through items). Come on, it's not that hard to read descriptions and guesstimate how this or that combo works.

Do you just ignore every other post in the thread talking about kreia or what? She just wants you to think for yourself. All you have to say to make her happy is "ok i'll think about what you said"

kreia is a bitch. shes not going to mommy and coddle you. her doctrine is harsh. even if you agree with her shes still gonna be harsh. i dont understand why everyone has a problem with this. shes pushing you to strengthen your conviction, and if she praises you after you make the decision like some good old jedi master youre not learning the way she wants. she wants to fight you everystep of the way so in the end you are firmly you, and you made those choices, not led by anything else. if you want to help the guy and kreia says no and you tell her fuck off shes going to be pleased, but still bitch because thats her

I don't believe you're at the point where you can listen to what people are saying, you can only learn from experience. I think you're very angry. Consider if you want to listen rather than respond to life.

You gotta wipe it with conviction
She’s not criticizing you to be a bitch, she’s criticizing you because she wants you to not get complacent in your ways. Think of her like a drill sergeant, she’s being mean to toughen you up

>fudge

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>bruuuh i been both a jedi and a sith i know what i'm talking about
>is just another sith lord to kill in the end
bravo nolan

Why does Kreia love the player character so much
Like she’s bitter as fuck and hates just about everyone else and lies and cheats and everything but she still cares about (You) a whole lot
Maybe I forgot something

she was just pretending bro

exile willingly gave up the force

man i miss when obsidian games were great games but buggy as hell, now they are just buggy as hell

You're grossly oversimplifying her

because you walked the jedis path, you walked revans path, and now you are walking her path. youre basically her mirror and she wants to teach you everything possible to be the ubermensch and carve your destiny through the galaxy based on your whims, and not the teachings of the dogmatic jedi or the self immolating sith. she loves you because youre the last real force user in the galaxy, and you can be the one to start a new path. you draw others into you and teach them. shes like the top of the pyramid scheme and if all goes according to plan a new era of the force will begin with you.

>You aren't roleplaying as some random character you created in this world, you are roleplaying a character with an established background inside this universe.
So what do we know about the Exile's opinion on charity or helping farming communities? Because I don't remember anything about Exile's background being fleshed out in this much detail, only broad strokes which can even be bent this or another way to suit LS or DS version.
And those choices you get are just cardboard cutouts, stereotypical Jedi and Dark Jedi/Sith. Yet we are show the Council very early on, for example, with a decent variety for Jedi characters.

What's so great about the force?
Can you masturbate with the force?

I see.
You know if she wasn’t a crusty old fossil she would be pretty good waifu material

I really liked the game along side with Krei. The last playthough was being a male consular and it was so base. Force points op. Spoiler: Anywho, I dig what Krei was trying to do that is to kill the force and give the galaxy free will essential ly.

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>"I'M NOOTRAL"
Literally the worst

MUMMY

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Was it ever confirmed if she was the Handmaiden’s mother

she cant be anyones waifu because she lost her husbando to her top student. kreia really has a fucked up life

She because disillusioned with the weakness of the Jedi like countless otbers, but she's really the only one to also recognize the weakness of the Sith without abandoning the dark side out right

it never was "officially" but yes arren kae is kreia

kek both good and evil number 3s are based

Too bad I can’t ease the pain with my exile dick
I suppose everything doesn’t have to be about sex though but if anyone could use a regular source of dicking it’s Kreia

Apathy is death is literally Jacob Marley wailing about he’s damned forever, you fucking mongoloid.

>still get bitched at
>Kreia would find some fault with that too
So what? You're not a dollar for everyone to like you. Talk about life lessons, lol.

>get the fudge off my back
Don't bring her on missions. Don't talk to her between missions.

Cool so she’s a MILF. Mom I’d Like to Follow the teachings of

kreia would have loved to get your exile dick but she knew it was not to be. hence the DONT YOU TOUCH THE WOMEN ON THIS SHIP EXILE.

I blame the Force

Sorry, but Visas Marr called dibs first, grandma. Guess I’ll be back after I charge up her loading ramp.

dont have sex

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>Bastilla is a massive cunt about the dark side 24/7
>Fell to the Dark Side after like 3 days
What an unbelievably forced subplot

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Kreia would bitch about which hole you pound or how fast you thrust anyways

You have the wrong idea about role playing games, probably from playing other shitty RPGs that let you over indulge in a self insert fantasy.

The strict dichotomy presented in that lecture is a reflection of the overall star wars universe. You aren't playing as commander shepard shooting geth and slaying alien pussy, you're playing as a character in a universe that lets it's own morality be dictated by powerful people on two extreme sides of a clearly defined spectrum. You wanted to choose a different option, an option that made you feel special or reflected your real world values, but that isn't what the game is about.

It's really not hard to align with her, just be a manipulative dark sider. That's really all it takes and you can still get all influence.

>Kreia wants you to make choices for reasons you believe in, and to be able to defend those reasons
So if I believe in the code of the Jedi/Sith, and make defenses of said code, why does she still have such a problem with it? She'll spend 10 minutes bitching about what a failure the Exile is just because he doesn't do exactly what she wants, and assumes that coming to a different conclusion than her means that you didn't THINK about it hard enough.
>She doesn’t want you to just be a Jedi or a Sith, she wants you to do whatever YOU think is best
That argument presupposes that it is impossible for one to truly believe with conviction that following the code of the Jedi OR the Sith is for the best.
>She doesn’t believe in altruism for altruism’s sake or violence for violence’s sake
That is a gross oversimplification of both the Jedi AND the Sith, and anyone who has any familiarity with Star Wars at all should know that. What it comes down to in the end is that she has a hate-on for the Jedi and Sith because of her failures at being a master of either, and she blames the philosophies rather than her own failings as a teacher. She admits as much herself on Malachor. Ulysses was the same way, taking his own anger out on the world because things didn't go well for him. But at least Ulysses is willing to acknowledge that what he sees as broken systems can be reformed into something better, and he can be convinced that there are different viewpoints that are at least as valuable as his. Kreia just obstinately refuses to see any kind of value in the Jedi or Sith philosophies, and it's presented as though what she's saying is fact rather than just the opinions of one salty individual, and THAT is why she is criticized.

I've heard and responded to every flimsy defense presented for how Kreia is super deep and ISN'T completely lacking an internally-consistent philosophy of her own, respond in kind or concede the point.

What the fuck is this post?

Grey jedi the dumbest thing ever created.
Basically just run away and don't get involved in anything

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It's one of the reasons I can't replay the game.

>Weapon finesse: Break the fucking game feat (and its baby melee version for when nolasersword)
>High dex build, str is a dump stat
>dex boosting items and mods
>force speed
>battle meditation
>8 attacks a round that won't miss

If you really wish to break the back of the game hard: there you go. This isn't even the limit, the limit is stacking stims, using kreia for the co-op boost and a bit of very specific finicking gets those 8 up to fucking 12. 12 fucking attacks a round, with 6 of them having a x3 crit with a range of 15-20. It's disgusting. It's hedonistic. It's brilliant.

Yes. You use force choke very lightly.

>show canderous in every cutscene before you get him with a gun
>hes actually one of the strongest melee characters you can have
excuse me?

>not deathgripping your donger with force kill

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When Palpatine shocked himself into looking like a putty patroller do you think his dick ended up looking like a melted candle?
Asking for a friend.

Dumbass, huh? She was clearly very emotional. An attitude the Jedi shouldn't have

I'm not even a KotOR2 supremacist but I'm glad Kreia filters people like this and exposes them.

woowoo autism alert woowoo autism alert woowoo

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>why does she still have such a problem with it?
This is exactly why you don't deserve a big long argument. You're purposefully ignoring a fuck ton of stuff. I don't really care if you think kreia's right or wrong, but if you want to say she's being inconsistent with her logic then you need to present better evidence then "because I said so."

More like gay knights

That's why you run blaster jedi with consular and not sentinel, you can debuff the shit out of enemies, then they won't deflect. Most of the time.

she's asking for conviction; for the ubermensch to rise

>jolee
>gray
That fucker was just an annoying hipster who wanted to be LS but not be called LS

Will people ever stop being retarded about kreia?

>You have the wrong idea about role playing games, probably from playing other shitty RPGs that let you over indulge in a self insert fantasy.
Nah. And it's not about self-insert, it's about ability to play the character I envisioned.

>The strict dichotomy presented in that lecture is a reflection of the overall star wars universe.
Which TSL is deconstructing left, right and centre. Supposedly.

>You aren't playing as commander shepard shooting geth and slaying alien pussy
No wonder, ME2 and beyond aren't RPGs so comparing TSL to those games would be wrong.

>you're playing as a character in a universe that lets it's own morality be dictated by powerful people on two extreme sides of a clearly defined spectrum.
But I'm not debating that Exile should adhere to one of the opposites. Although I'd argue it's more because of the Force itself exerting its influence by dragging you further to either of the ends and less because of the authority figures Exile clearly doesn't worship blindly. My problem with those options is that they don't allow to elaborate on HOW and WHY your character goes about affecting the world in accordance to those beliefs or teachings.
And don't give me more of that crap about predetermined characters, there was clearly plenty of breathing room left to make a range of different characters within the confines of the lore and this particular half-blank slate's background. Otherwise TSL isn't an RPG but a fucking visual novel.

no. but like the dude above said. its nice to see all the retards get filtered by her

>stuck wearing heavy armour so no dex bonus which guns use
>mandalorian so naturally just STR + CON
>stupidly high health and defence
>can literally solo fucking darth nihilus at the end of the game no problem, although requires a few revives on harder difficulties
>uses a gun because mandalorians are represented in lore as the original clone troopers
>is a soldier type so gains nothing but damage and defence feats
also you used auto level up on all the NPCs didn't you

>>Weapon finesse: Break the fucking game feat (and its baby melee version for when nolasersword)
What's so game-breaking about being able to hit using your DEX but still getting your damage bonus from STR?

because you stack it with speed and flurry

you need to download the save editor and just edit the feat onto your character, not a mod but a utility you can download somewhere

Jolee "i don't pick sides" Bindo.

1). Because she’s a bitter, pessimistic sourpuss and her “bitching” is her basically trying to tell you the shit to look out for when going down the path you choose. She’s trying to be helpful

2.) Yes and Kreia doesn’t hate every Jedi, she just doesn’t want you ending up like the Jedi order, blindly following one of two ideas that basically put the world in endless conflict. She doesn’t want you to walk the path of the Jedi or the Sith, she wants you to make your own path and make it better. She wants you to be flexible in your ideas, make you not stuck in your ways or too clingy to one way of thinking. She wants you to be convicted in your decisions but to also make decisions depending on the situation. She doesn’t want you to just pick the evil option because you’re going for an evil playthrough, or picking the good option because being good is good. She wants you to play the fucking game and make decisions based on what you would actually do. Think about yourself in the context of this world. Which decisions would you make? Why would you make that decision? Do you understand the potential consequences, and if so, what do you plan to do about them? What do you want to be, and why do you want to be that? Why do you live the way you do?
Those are questions Kreia wants you to consider

Basically she’s the devs trying to get you to role play

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Consular can just kill everything in several fascinating ways using the Force alone. Why bother with blasters.

So I assume you feel the same way about Planescape Torment?

Jolee “I pick sides, but don't you dare ever tell me which side I clearly picked” Bindo

No. That one gives a bit more options usually so it's not as glaring.

what that your rampant autism would make people stop talking to you?

But a STR build gets both without having to spend a feat. And can use Speed and Flurry just as well.

Jolee "I wanted to fuck so see ya later schmuck" Bindo

>that game is worshipped by the community and they’ll crucify me if I speak against it
Thats what I thought, bitch.

why is their no jedi class that uses blasters instead of lightsabers, just use the force to bend the shot so it's harder to deflect

Legit thought she was a t'wilek until, like the end of the game. Would have made her better, too.

Because in both games the final boss is resistant to most of your force powers even if you play pure consular. This would normally leave you to cheese them with mines or some shit, because you can't compete in phsyical combat. Force Plague (cannot be resisted), Force Speed on yourself, and rapid fire spam tends to work, though. Blasters also have longer range than force powers, which can come handy on some maps. They don't deplete you FP pool either, although consular doesn't usually have this problem anyway, having blasters allow you to go apeshit with the force where it really matters. And besides, shooting shit is fun.

>it's about ability to play the character I envisioned.
And you have the wrong idea about this game and who you're playing as. Did I really need to tell you this three times?
>Which TSL is deconstructing left, right and centre. Supposedly.
Are you even paying attention to what i'm saying? What the fuck is going on with you?
>No wonder, ME2 and beyond aren't RPGs so comparing TSL to those games would be wrong.
You kill geth and slay alien puss in ME1 too, silly.
>My problem with those options is that they don't allow to elaborate on HOW and WHY your character goes about affecting the world in accordance to those beliefs or teachings.
Because it's fucking star wars. That's what the star wars universe is, and that's why the game is exploring those ideas. How is this so hard for you to understand?

You would have an argument if you controlled anything about the Exile's past, but you don't. He's not a blank slate, he's got quite a bit of established history that gets explored many times. You are saying he's a blank slate because that's how many other RPG protagonists are and you aren't experienced enough with KOTOR2 to have an actual understanding of it.

She's your average contrarian Yea Forumsermin, so likely.

>>that game is worshipped by the community and they’ll crucify me if I speak against it
No, my mentally deficient friend, that's not what I said. The options in P:T are A BIT more varied USUALLY, you blind imbecile. I find le nature of a meme shit retarded and the ending atrocious. But everything else in that game is great.
Also TSL is about as beloved as P:T.

dont bother the dudes in a recursion loop

she was continuously raped for those three days until she submitted to sith cock
classic mindbreak

She’s an old Yea Forums user, back when people would debate you instead of just calling you a buzzword. There is value in having an argument. You either strengthen your resolve or reconsider your point. Old Yea Forums knew this, and we’d argue our points, call each other fags, and then walk away a little smarter. Kids these days are too vapid and too spineless to have a good debate

Okay, now I see the problem. You treat that shitty fanfic as canon. Should've said earlier.

What a massive fucking faggot. Why are you even in this thread?

Jolee "Best Character in KOTOR 1" Bindo

To waste time on sub-saharans like you, apparently.

>everyone on Yea Forums is afraid to be contrarian and shittalk popular things
Since when?

Yeah, an hero.

>Old Yea Forums knew this, and we’d argue our points, call each other fags, and then walk away a little smarter. Kids these days are too vapid and too spineless to have a good debate
Why have a debate when I can just call you a cuck or tranny and win old man lmao

Who is the staffboi? What are they doing? If they're implying that's to be Kreia's baby-daddy he was Echani.

Because arguing about why we do what we like and why we don’t like what we don’t is the very foundation of this site
Why the fuck do you come here if it isn’t to have angry discussions with angry people
The best threads are when a group of anons start discussing things they care about

You know I didn’t realize it until now but Kreia is a very horny old bitch
She’s constantly talking about sex, tells you she loves you, and gets possessive of you to the point of telling you to not fuck anyone on the ship

lol cuck. I agree, that's why the pathologic 2 threads were so great.

At least there’s always the 5 AM threads

You have not listened, you have assembled arguments. You sought to dismantle your opposition before they spoke. You have decided who is right or wrong rather than what is right or wrong. I find the situation boring and basic. No one can grow from that.

>Basically she’s the devs trying to get you to role play
So are you saying that the purpose of the character is just to get players to think, rather than to examine her in the context of a wider narrative? I would contend that a competent writer could create a character that provokes thought WITHOUT coming across as hypocritical and lacking in any substantive argument, but if Kreia was truly never meant to have her speeches and philosophies scrutinized, I could at least accept that as an explanation for her actions. Really, the problem might just be a limitation of the medium in that case, it's kind of difficult to have meaningful philosophical discussion when one side of the argument is limited to pre-programmed responses. Seems like a rather counterintuitive message to teach, but oh well.

her message is whatever you do, do it because you chose to. thats it. now fuck out the thread. half of this thread is you making the same argument and getting the same response so you can make the same argument.

force crush your own testicles nerd.

At the very end, remember, she does admit that she is a hypocrite that’s too bitter to admit when she is wrong

Imagine having sex with Kreia, thanks to the bond you are going to feel what she feels too, must be amazing.

Yes, that series of self-contradictions wrapped up in pretentious wording but ultimately lacking in substance is exactly how Kreia would respond. You're pretty good at this user, you should die your hair blue and see if Bioware will hire you on as a writer.

Indeed, that point was not lost on me.

now imagine fucking kreias daughter while kreia can feel it

Based on Kreia having a lot of dialogue relating to sex exclusively if you play a Male Exile, I think she thinks about that a lot too

the Onions Wars movies completely failed to grasp the complexities of the schools that the New Jedi EU arc embraced.

The EU New Jedi Order has Luke modifying the rigid Jedi code to be more natural; Jedi can have kids and positive emotions aren't frowned upon, sometimes students or Jedi fall to the dark side and most of the time because they aren't emotionally stunted as with the Old Jedi Order they can bring themselves back into the light.

Then you see Kreia and I are trying to prompt you to stop and look at yourself yet you still get defensive. You've become Vrook and choose arrogance as if it were a path to victory.

All ive learned from this thread is that Kreia is kind of hot

You learned that just now?
Fuck the rest of the girls, i want the perverted old hag for me.

influence lost
influence gained

Visas is best girl in both games

She would destroy a galaxy for you
She loves you

Grey Jedi are still Jedi, they are simply at odds with the strict ascetism and unnatural ban of emotion and intimate relations that the Jedi Order practices because the end result is that Jedi who act according to the Code are emotionally stunted and susceptible to falling, whereas a Grey Jedi typically does good and is resistant to falling because he is at peace with himself and his emotions.

kreia is best waifu and if you find a woman like her you waifu her immediately

She doesn't seem hypocritical to me. Maybe you are the one with the problem here and not the game.

yes

no

Actually interacting with the Force at all would make you more autistic than the non-force-sensitives that have to deal with you talking about balance and dark sides and shit.

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That's yuthura ban

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i wished you could turn her to the light side only to slay her on whatever shithole planet it was when you have the big reveal and end up killing half your party if you want to have fun

Solid choice, but she doesn't have the old man sass.

Fuck you Kreia, im gonna charge up Visas Marr's Loading Ramp

based

I loved a woman like Kreia once, one of those people who lived by teaching and taught by living without ever being an official teacher. Not bitter like Kreia but still earnest and confrontational.

>killing vrook at khoonda out of spite
>not slaughtering him in front of kavar and zez-kai ell at the council to drive the point home

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