Why is the story critically acclaimed and beloved by everyone when it's full of shit writing and the final message is...

I could connect pretty well with him since 2 was my first metal gear game so we both were green.

I don't even really remember that part, I always think of the speech about sharing all the good and bad parts of history with our children or whatever.

So you're basically angry at the game because it didn't explicitly tell you what you should believe in.

I really liked him as well, but only because he propped up Snake to be even cooler as a secondary character.

I hated how they massacred my boy in MGS4. I try not to think about it.

That aspect is great, especially how many parts of the game play into that. Like the bomb disposal itself and Fatman and Stillmans whole thingy.
Then there's the part about questioning reality and you get dumb shit like Vamp and Liquids Arm. Which is both cool, but just very retarded thematically. "Just roll with it, thinking about it doesn't help." Don't like it. I'm all for vague storytelling and open endings if they have a point. But when the point is that it's vague and you don't know what's real then it just feels superfluous.

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But it explicitly told me to pass on my memes. I don't mind that it doesn't tell me what to pass on.
What I mind is it saying that reality doesn't matter.

Kojima reads Wittgenstein, you’re just too unintelligent to understand MGS2

I'd be fine with it all if the controls and camera scheme weren't outdated junk

>reality doesn't matter
As I understand it, the point is that memes colour our perception of reality, so what we see as reality might be far from it.

I'm too much of a philosophylet to go deeper, but the theme of memes certainly goes beyond simply passing them to others.

This. Reality is subjective so pass on what you think is important.

>Just roll with it, thinking about it doesn't help.

You missed the point. That was the whole Patriots mind fuck. You aren't supposed to think about it. Be a good little soldier/gamer and follow these directions because you're supposed to. This totally isn't a recreation of MGS1, shut up. There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

The final message would best be described as "Do what you think is best for yourself, not for any master or government, and help foster in the new generation; pass on your knowledge and experience to help those in the next generation." Not "LOL NOTHING IS REAL"

That's part of it and the game concludes that you just have to not worry about what is real and what isn't. What matters are your feelings those are yours and they are real even if you don't have a choice.

Then you get Fortune. Doesn't matter if her powers were real or not, she just believed. And somehow it became real which is fucking retarded.

Basically, if you just do what you feel and believe aren't you just gonna live a lie. Aren't you just letting yourself be manipulated? It's a difficult situation.

Snake literally tells Raiden it doesn't matter if Rose is real or not though.

People cherry pick the good parts and ignore the rest (which ranges from laughable to absolute bullshi)

>Then you get Fortune. Doesn't matter if her powers were real or not, she just believed. And somehow it became real which is fucking retarded.
Fortune defeats Snake because of her magnetic field shit. Fortune didn't remove it, or changed her outfit at all, it was simply disabled by the Patriots because her role in that moment when she was shot by Ocelot was to be killed and exit the scenario.
Whoops, Ocelot wants to kill Raiden and Solidus, but how is the S3 going to succeed if the both kick the bucket before having an epic final boss fight just like MGS1? Ocelot isn't yet fully aware of S3's nature and thought it was already over, whilst it still needed execution of the final exercise (that boss fight). Thus, the Patriots conveniently reactivated her shield thingy to make Ocelot and other people believe she truly had magical powers, and by doing this since Ray blew its whole payload, Raiden and Solidus were relatively safe. S3 restored.

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Didn't S3 stand for selection for societal sanity? Solid snake simulation was the lie they told Ocelot.

Selection for Societal Sanity: Augmented Reality Scenario.
Patriots wanted to engineer their own Shadow Moses with blackjack and hookers on the NY harbor with everyone involved being complicit, whether they knew/wanted it or not. And the Tanker holding RAY (Arsenal's competitor) was the catalyst that allowed the stage to be set. All this as an exercise to pull even greater stunts in the future, with plausible deniability written all over it. Plausible deniability is what the Patriots were testing. Can any event, true or fictional, be repurposed anywhere with people having zero choice in the matter? This is what S3 is supposed to answer.

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Of course, a key component of S3 is that any scenario must end with any preset criteria being met, otherwise it would count as a failure to accurately recreate that specific scenario (Mission Failed).

The supernatural parts in MGS2 is literally because of comic book style storytelling. It's not supposed to be thematic. There's supernatural elements in 1, 2, and 3. Then Kojima pulls a George Lucas by trying to explain some of it scientifically in 4. But MGS was always a normal-ish dude fighting to what amounts to supervillains.

The fact that people will read this and it's gonna make them think Death Stranding will be good kinda makes me sad.
So easy to fall for the hype machine.

user here who admittedly didn't understand MGS2 since is was far 2deep4me, but still appreciate it nonetheless for what little I do understand.

Question: Was there any thematic reason for having there be SO MANY rays? I seem to remember Raiden fighting off like 25 of them at one point. I realize Ray is supposed to be the "sequel" to Rex (or maybe that's Arsenal Gear) but either way it just seemed weird that in the prologue Ray was hyped up as a solo unit and when it comes time to fight it you're fighting against a bunch of them. Probably some significance to that which most likely went over my head.

probably just to go with the absurdity of the simulation or somethin

but considering that ONLY the lying AI is the one that said "selection for societal sanity", I doubt it's true.

Solid Snake Simulation makes more sense due to Big Shell being an intentional half assed re-creation of Shadow Moses

The RAYs are AI-controlled sentries made to protect Arsenal and are weak as shit compared to the original manned RAY that Ocelot stole.

Oh shit, I didn't realize they weren't 1:1 remakes of the original. That actually makes a lot of sense if they were just AI sentries

i think solidus is pretty cool :)

Everyone thinks Solidus is cool.

If you think 2's writing is shit, then you must really hate every story in the entire series. It still easily surpasses any other game in the franchise or medium

You every play Deus Ex 1?

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MGS2
>Raiden at the end wishes to completely become his own character
MGSV
>Venom at the end implicatedly chooses to remain a player avatar

What was the point of V again?

>Venom at the end implicatedly chooses to remain a player avatar
Yeah that's why he punches the mirror showing him as the avatar, then the camera shows him as big boss in the shattered mirror before vanishing into the smoke.

Totally symbolism for remaining as the player avatar indefinitely.

Fun things are fun.

Thinking of playing MGS, but never got around to it before and know little about it what order should I play in Yea Forums?

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Regardless of the writing the concept is interesting and at the time it was new ground for video games. It's also still the posterchild of metanarrative and post modern games