Japan is the saviour of videogames

>puzzle games
Tetris, The Incredible Machine.

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>>FPS and TPS
>>turn based RPGs
>>FPS RPGs
>>RTS, 4X and Grand Strategy
>>point and click

Funny that you listed game genres that haven't been good in more than a decade.

The west does some things well and the east does some things well.

Western genres:
> FPS
> Roguelike
> Racing
> MMO
> wRPG but those only come out once in a blue moon : ^ )

Both:
> Platforming
> Linear puzzle, E.G. point and click
> Arcade puzzle, E.G. Tetris, Puyo

Japan:
> jRPG
> Horror
> Beat em up
> Fighting
> Action

>puzzle games
Puzzle Agent, TTP, Baba is you, Obra Dinn.
>horror games
Lost in Vivo,Dead Space, Condemned, Darkwood.

beyond casual. be more open minded bout jp games.

>Obra Dinn
Technically Japanese. Pope is American but he developed all of his games in Japan.

Still counts as western game, he will never be japanese.

>People seriously thinking Japan and the U.S. are tied for Puzzle
Japan's put out a metric fuckton of good puzzle game series. It's absolutely not a contest

>The west makes good WRPGs and Japan makes good JRPGs
Wow, amazing insight.

japanese racing games are much better. they just dont make it now

these casual cunts havent ever even played f-zero

>fps
>one button is used

?

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The west has tried to make a couple JRPGs.

I didn't say they were better, but no way western devs are "terrible" at making puzzle games.

Japan has made a lot of great "puzzle games" like Puyo Puyo and Professor Layton. The west has made a lot of great "puzzle games" like Tetris and Myst and even if the best versions of Tetris are made by Sega, it counts as Western anyway. It's not a perfect tie, but both have their high points.

Closest game a WRPG Japan ever made was Dead Rising 1 and Dragon's Dogma, but still not even close.

Tetris was made by the USSR, is not a western country. You coul mention games like gabriel knight, Still Life and a lot of 90's adventure games.

Jap games are objectively easier than Western games on highest difficulty.

>Genres the West does or has at least done well and Japan does terrible, or not at all
>movie "games"
>Genres Japan does well and the West does terrible
>all other genres
fify

When you're talking about games, it's "Japan" and "the West", with "the West" being literally everyone who isn't Japan.
It's the only way it's fair

Reminder that FPS arena games and FPS mid 90s games like Doom were a mistake and the industry would be in a much better place (no dlc, no multiplayer) if those games had not existed.

you forget dr. mario

>is not a western country.

It counts in what I'm talking about in the OP. Nobody would confuse a Russian game for a Japanese game

What a faggot.

That's your brain on Jap cocks.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebs

Add all strategy games that aren't RPGs to the western genres.

>Any of those games on JP
>Needing a PhD in gaming
Yeah if you're a fucking casual who's never been good at any game

> Fire Emblem
> Nobunaga's Ambition
Nah, Japan has decent strategy games here and there.

>Western Game Good/Bad
>Japanese Game Good/Bad
Fuck off. A game's country origin doesn't automatically determine the quality. The developers themselves do.
Shit like this is why I left Yea Forums for Reddit.

Also Half Life has a more promising skill ceiling than any of the games in JP

>Jap games are objectively easier than Western games on highest difficulty.

Bad games like Terminator 1 on NES by Bethesda is harder than Mega Man 1 on NES by Capcom - but I know which one I'd rather play.

I've played HL2 on hard, no it doesn't - unless you're a Jap who gets sick while playing FPSes.

>I've played HL2 on hard
What exactly do you think a skill ceiling is

>Fire Emblem
I said non-RPG.

Grand strategy, RTS, 4X, tycoon and management games, are all genres that basically don't exist in japan.

Oh, so in some fantasy world, there's a possible potential for Half Life 2 to be a complex FPS...

When we already have far more complex and better FPSes than HL2 known as Duke Nukem 3D.

>Fuck off. A game's country origin doesn't automatically determine the quality. The developers themselves do.
yeah, and japanese developers are just straight-up better than western developers.
>Shit like this is why I left Yea Forums for Reddit.
it shows.

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nobunaga's ambition and romance of the three kingdoms existed way before your garbage westshit.

you're a retard but nobunaga's ambition is good

You're 100% right

But the west hasn't made a good one in decades. Hell, even when Civ 4 was out, you had to wait for the Beyond the Sword Expansion and all the patches before you could say it was a classic. Paradox games are just DLC simulators.

Oh those Koei games, yeah, but they're pretty fucking old. (I think they do make new versions but they're never in English)

Being complex and having a skill ceiling aren't the same thing. Half Life being good wasn't even my point.

Bayonetta is complex from a technical perspective, but the actual skill you need to be good at the game comes mostly from memory (not the muscle kind). Which is normal for any game, but what matters is how that memory works in compound with other skills like accuracy, reaction, and so on. And memory carries so fucking hard in those games it's actually like your other skills might not matter.

Every JP game listed on OP's image has a terribly shallow skill ceiling in that regard compared to almost everything else in videogames. Half Life at least has the fucking decency to have a somewhat promising skill ceiling in terms of optimizing control and speed. And if you seriously think a skill ceiling is determined by how complex the system appears or by some arbitrary ranking you're a dumbass.

>A game's country origin doesn't automatically determine the quality
It does though.

>Half life 2
>Simplistic combat

Fuck off nigga

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Computer Bismarck predates it.

Not him but no it doesn't. If that were the case then every game made in any country would be the exact same quality as one another. The specifics of how the gaming industry works in different countries absolutely has an influence on the quality of games, since there tend to be trends in the design process based on nation. But a game is more than just where it's made.

You keep saying Half Life. Why can't you be honest? HL2 is one of the most casual FPSes ever. Like Duke Nukem 3D introduces the jetpack, which makes levels HUGE and full of secrets. You can do things like jump off a tall building, hit the J key at the last moment and survive. The Gravity Gun is just a worse projectile weapon that you have to actively collect ammo for.

Duke 3D also has an array of inventory items to account for, HL2 doesn't.

HL2 has several situations where you have unlimited ammo (the helicopter fight, the ammo pack on the back of that shitty buggy thing). Duke 3D doesn't, and it's possible if you play like shit to run out of ammo.

Nothing about HL2 is complex. On any level. Hell, compare it to FEAR and FEAR utterly shits on HL2.

If Japanese games are so good, then why do you waste your time remaking this thread every day instead of playing them?

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koei, known as koei-tecmo, has made a bunch of strategy games and shit since nes. i mean the company is for that.
they havent been just localised. japan actually pretty much makes all genres. koei besides, a bunch of popular series have been released. front mission series, daisenryaku series, famicon war series, etc. theres a bunch of obscure ones as well.

Because he can't live without sucking chink dick every day.

>then every game made in any country would be the exact same quality as one another
But this is true. Games made in Japan are all the same quality: very high, and games made in the rest of the world are of the same quality: shit.

I keep saying Half Life because my point has nothing to do with other FPSes, it has to do with the comparison on OP's list.

I get you're shitposting but fuck off and apply some critical thought for once in your life

it's one button combat against AI that does 3 things: stand & shoot, run & shoot, stand & throw grenade. The game is a joke with how easy it is
youtube.com/watch?v=e0WqAmuSXEQ

And again, I don't buy your premise. Japs made Breakdown and did a pretty good job at an FPS clone. HL2 is not at all complex, and no, pressing WADS doesn't count as more than 1 button, because you can play HL2 with a controller like in The Orange Box version and it's 100% fine.

Mind explaining to me what my "premise" is then? Because I'm not convinced you even read my post right.

You keep insisting on points that are either already conceded or something I covered and are completely irrelevant to what I'm actually saying.

lmao what the fuck is this shit

your forgot fighting games. West still can't put good shit out there

the deep and cultured genre of first person shooters

Sounds like something Jerry Seinfeld would say

I swear westacucks think Smash Brothers is American too

>they havent been just localised

Maybe they should be before we can even discuss them being relevant

why do westacuck faggots like you not even play re4 and vanquish. also i do not think the average western tps is better than re series and mikamis tps

Max Payne 1 and 2 are better than any Japanese TPS.

>Shit like this is why I left Yea Forums for Reddit.

What a smoothbrain babybitch you are

>action RPGs
Japan's ARPGs have little to no RPG. Even far cry is more rpg than most of them.
>action games
Wrong. Pic related.
>horror games
They make amazing horror atmosphere. They have terrible gameplay though. The west has games like Condemned and The Suffering, that are both scary and fun to play, even though they're still not as successful as Silent Hill and Siren in delivering a horror atmosphere they're much more fun to play.

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>this thread again
god of war shits on all that weeb shit

>RE4
Had a bunch of good moments but overall full of boring padding and shitty QTE.
>RE series
They have shitty controls.
>average western tps
I think you haven't played enough of them.

Why the need for two Bamham games? Can't come up with any other ones?

The Arkham games cast a long shadow in how they ruined western action games.

>jprgs are nothing but anime rpgs

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Nah, that'd be Elona+. It's pure CRPG.

>Sseth meme game

Nah just kidding. You're probably right, but it kind of feels like a MUD game with 2D graphics.

Lol, I don't even play weebshit, but God of War is absolute garbage.

Just like with Inception horns, the fault lies with lazy hacks who thoughtlessly copy popular shit because they have no ideas or vision for their games.

dilate

>Kill la Kill IF
>Oninaki
>Mary Skelter 2
>Omega Labyrinth Life
>Pokemon Sword & Shield
>Persona 5 Scramble
>Shenmue III
>Shenmue III
>Shenmue III
>Zelda Link's Awakening
Top kek, OP
Also, like half of those games ahven't even been released yet

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Kill yourself nigger

Oninaki is mediocre shit for redditors.

not getting enough upvotes on reddit, beepzorz?

>games that aren't out yet

>Arkham Asylum sold more than 2 million copies in a year and sold more
>Arkham City sold more than 5 million copies and still sells
>Half Life 2 sold more than 6 million copies
>God of War sold 10 million copies
Meanwhile
>God Hand flopped
>Ninja Gaiden barely sold 2 million copies
>Demon's Souls didn't even reach a million copies during the entire year it was released
>Bayonetta barely sold more than a million copies and it's sequel FLOPPED in Japan.
So much for the ''savior of video games''. Even garbage like Anthem sells more than half of the games mentioned combined, which btw is like 6 million copies. Gears 5 just came out, so before you claim doom and gloom over it like you faggots did with games like Days Gone and MK11, you might wanna wait a bit.

lol at your westacucked standards. if re4 is so shitty, then western tps games last gen were by far shitter than re4. like unchartard and all that shitty open world shooters. fucking terrible motions/animations with a garbage control.

its still mysteriously overrated and was merely all about media/journos pushing "we are superior because we love dudebro games. japanese games were gay" narratives. and you dont even play mikamis tps games. yet "japan is terrible at tps"? dont make me laugh.

>Ion Fury
>The Banner Saga
>Dying Light
>Frostpunk
>Deponia
(You)

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