Is this the greatest game of all time?

I have never heard once in my life that the controls were representing Wanders' struggle.
Nice bait though.

Why do people hate Sony games so much? If this was first party Nintendo it would have a 97 Metascore, but this game gets unfairly attacked for minor flaws when higher rated games like BOTW have gotten away with more

Fuck no. It's an overrated boss rush with an empty overworld and clunky controls and framerate.

>other epople like something that means it's overrated!

No, but people ARE huge suckers for presentation and atmosphere. Even when those mask a relatively shallow experience underneath.

Everyone knows BOTW is full of flaws, metascores don't mean shit, and SOTC is really only shit on here because Yea Forums contrarianism

only contrarian pseud assholes think it's bad, I just got Dormins sword on the PS4 the other day and it made me appreciate the game all the better.

Yes, it is.

SoTC is one of the best gaming experiences ever

Yeah, if you're a sucker for presentation and get too caught up in the music and art direction to realize you're playing a shallow boss rush where you climb and stab a bunch of goofy-looking rock monsters.

Name your favourite games

It hasn't aged well.
I doubt everyone complaining about the controls played it at or anywhere near release.

No, the gameplay revolves Colossi

Nah. It's a very good game that makes for a unique experience but as a game itself it's nothing mind-blowing. The point is that it's not trying to be anything more than it is. It's a game that is very intentionally what it is. Even the things that aren't that good are that way for a reason. It pushed the limits of its hardware to be exactly the kind of game it turned out to be.

probably yes

>expecting a faggot pseud who has no valid criticisms of the game to open up about his favorites
don't even respond to these dumbasses.

I found it mediocre

Cutsceneshit with a dash of quicktimeeventshit.

one of the best for sure

Its definitely one of the best gaming experiences, but not the greatest

Sure. Here are some particular order.
>Super Metroid
>Metal Gear Solid 3
>Resident Evil 4
>REmake
>Metroid Prime
>Age of Empires 2
>Doom 1 and 2
>Quake 1 and 2
>Half-Life 1 and 2, Mother 3
>Chrono Trigger,
>Final Fantasy VI and Final Fantasy VII
>Castlevania: Rondo of Blood,
>Castlevania: SotN
>Heroes of Might and Magic III
>Deus Ex
>System Shock 1 and 2
>Pokemon HeartGold
>Mario Kart DS
>Demon's Souls
>Cave Story
>Ys Origin
>Super Mario World
Criticize away if you really care that much.

Name one quicktime event in SOTC bait-kun

It's hard to find a character like the wanderer that controls as well as him. The horse riding controls can have an entire game built around them. It's a shame they're under utilized but I hope someday somebody explores the controls of the game better.

Fuck. Meant "in no particular order".

what's wrong with enjoying a game for having great presentation?

Very safe and generic.

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Jesus fuck, literally contrarian core

The duality of man.

Almost as if games are more than the sum of their parts. Plenty of people love Deadly Premonition despite it being ab undeniably bad game on a technical and even gameplay level.

>greatest game of all time
>greatest
>game
>OF ALL TIME

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What's so "shallow" about it?

It's valuing style over substance.

The short length, limited content variety, and relatively simplistic gameplay loop.

>style over substance

You can say this about literally any Sony game though

>It's valuing style over substance.
how?

>It's valuing style over substance.
yeah but what's wrong with that?

It means you'd settle for a game with mediocre gameplay, pacing, etc. just because its story or audiovisuals are impressive. For a medium predicating itself on interactive elements and such, I'd say that's pretty self-defeating.

This game has built up a legacy that is basically impossible to tarnish, trying to insult it is like throwing a stone at a fortress

>mediocre gameplay
SotC has fantastic game play
>mediocre pacing
it's paced superbly, a game you can easily finish in one sitting due to how engaging it is and how the experience never feels like it's dragging.

>SotC has fantastic game play
Bullshit. All you do is climb and stab rock monsters, ride a course across and empty landscape, and possibly shoot lizards and fruit off trees to increase you stats. It's slow, clunky, and shallow.

>The short length, limited content variety, and relatively simplistic gameplay loop.
By that definition every game for the NES, SNES, and Genesis were also shallow garbage.

No, you're angry because it's not a Final Fantasy clone where you have a thousand menu options and a zillion meaningless side quests put in solely to stretch the game out artificially.

No but it's up there, it's also part of a handful of titles that have that """art""" factor that people seem to need.

>By that definition every game for the NES, SNES, and Genesis were also shallow garbage.
Those games came out on more limited hardware with tiny storage capacity for its physical media. SotC came out on a DVD disc in 2005. It has no such excuse.

Dunno about greatest, but it's a unique and awesome game that stands the test of time quite well. High tier for me.

>All you do is climb
yes, a great process supported by a complex physics system that if you do not wish to use the approach of treating every boss like a puzzle, you can instead treat it like an elaborate platforming challenge. This is usually the approach for the best of players as the game is built more around triggering the Colossi' weaknesses in order to conquer them. A great challenge mentally or in your dexterity.
>stab rock monsters
A rewarding but also tough task that rewards you with phenomenal visuals and a feeling of triumph while the monsters writhe, rumble and attempt to fling you off. The game is at its best here, where you look for ways to counter the stamina draining so you can keep your position. It's intuitive and rewarding.
>ride a course across and empty landscape
absolutely, the game is communicating to you the docile beauty of the forbidden land, a nice reprieve from utterly chaotic boss fights.
>possibly shoot lizards and fruit off trees to increase you stats
side activities that are optional and fun to do which engage with the mechanics are a great thing, aren't they?
>It's slow, clunky, and shallow.
the only thing slow here is yourself, the only thing clunky here is your delivery, and the only thing shallow here is your critique. You're a hipster.

Why does it need an "excuse" to not be a hundred-hour-long bloated shitfest? Why do short games trigger you so much?

Kinda this

>gameplay loop
Whenever I see this buzzword thrown out, I know I'm talking to a fucking retard pseud who watched a GDC talk while looking at jpegs of Donkey Kong Country layouts and now thinks he's qualified to be hired by a AAA game studio as a director.

yes

>cutsceneshit
the game only has like 3 cutscenes
During all action sequences you are in control, its the opposite of cutscenes shit
Things that would be cutscenes in other games are playable things you do in this game

Element of surprise is very important. Figuring out where the colossi are located and how to take them down is a huge part of the fun. If you use guides or know about the game prior then it's going to seem like a boring movie game.

>Why does it need an "excuse" to not be a hundred-hour-long bloated shitfest?
There's a difference between a game that's padded and a game that has a lot of good content. It's your problem if you can't distinguish the two or have too short of an attention span to enjoy long games.

>Why do short games trigger you so much?
Short games are fine if they have enough replay value to justify their price as a product. SotC was a 5-10 hour weekend waster that was $60 at launch, which is a fucking ripoff. Compare that to something like Resident Evil 2, which has short individual playthroughs but offers tons of features and unlockables that give it staying power as a game.

Only low iq people dont like sotc

Length is a really poor argument, just shows how brainlet sotc haters are

>a game that has a lot of good content
All of SotC's content is good and highly unique. It is the best game of its genre.

Why does SOTC need more content? The content it has fits the story and purpose of the game. What kind of content do you demand be shoved into it?

nice bait with that list

He wants generic mooks to slaughter to collect EXP so he can level up and feel accomplished because number went up.

I mean, the thing with SotC is that it CAN'T fit more content into the game because the premise is too simplistic and shallow to accommodate it in a way that won't feel like blatant padding. It's a failure before launch.

You're sure being evasive with these "critiques." Why not say something with substance?

>waaaah why isn't everything so complex and overblown!
It really feels like you're trolling, because whining about a game not being filled with pointless useless shit is something only Yea Forumsirgins would do.

but the audiovisuals are interactive. The soundtrack changes depending on what you do in a fight. That's ist the very essence of interactivity in this medium when it comes to presentation

Of course it could, 1 or 2 more colossi and another collectible wouldn't destroy the game's intricate balance or whatever

The presentation is fantastic yes, but you are to stupid to see the gameplay is also fantastic

You are given so much control, things that would be cutscenes in other games are you fully in control here.
And you physically interact with the collossi as they are deforming terrain, in other games climbing them would be an animation on a set path, or just ledges around the monster you jump on.
It pure gameplay with only 3 cutscenes in the game. You have few key actions and then use them in a bunch of different ways.

Each colossi is also a puzzle, and solving the puzzle and executing the answer is like playing a REAL set piece, not like fake set pieces in other games were like cool animations of stuff happen around you, you are really doing the cool thing here. And it was in 2005!

I wish there are more monsters. 16 is not ENOUGH!!

ico is obnoxiously boring escort quest for the whole game with baby-tier puzzles. SOTC is more an actual game. all of the games have good aesthetic but SOTC is the only one of the 3 to do anything more than just look good.

like nearly all the games on here are perfect examples of your argument for shallow gameplay but 10/10 presentation

It's bait anyway. He just copypasted some top games list because he's terrified of being genuine

>You are given so much control, things that would be cutscenes in other games are you fully in control here.
Last I checked, SotC came on the back of tons of 3D platformers and action games that gave you plenty of variety of actions in their gameplay. Hell, Mario 64 lets you do more shit than shit game and it's nearly a decade older.

>And you physically interact with the collossi as they are deforming terrain, in other games climbing them would be an animation on a set path, or just ledges around the monster you jump on.
I mean, that's a great bit of tech and all, but its doesn't really improve the gameplay. If anything it impedes it, cause the physics engine made the PS2 version run like a slide show and made Wander feel like a flag in a hurricane in the PS3 port.

>cutsceneshit

almost no cutscenes, hve you even played it zoomer?

Try hard

So what you want is tons of pointless things to give an illusion of content.

Literally carried by the presentation and atmosphere and ran like shit at launch

>but its doesn't really improve the gameplay
It does, your criticism sucks.

People only like it for its “art” the gameplay is boring and repetitive
It’s just unfun to play
Change my mind

>zoomer

PS2 is a zoomer console

How?

Okay, how?

>He just copypasted some top games list because he's terrified of being genuine
Yeah, god forbid I like good games. What do you want me to do? Name some obscure shit that three people on /vr/ have played? What discussion is that gonna bring?

>Yeah, god forbid I like good games.
There's nothing wrong with liking good games. The problem is you just copypasted instead of sharing your real opinion because if your genuine then that means you can be hurt and that scares you.

What's the game below New Vegas?

Actually it's a goomer console. Wii is a ploomer console and Xbox 360 is for sure a soomer

>but mario 64
come on man thats a stupid argument
mario 64 isnt massive monsters you climb and riding on horseback etc, mario 64 doesnt have crazy set piece stuff
Just look at other set piece stuff in other games and how little you are in control or effecting things

You really didn't recognize Dark Souls

>I like good games
They aren't good, they're safe

The best game of all-time is either the best fighting game of all-time, the best RTS of all-time, the best FPS of all-time, or the best "stylish action" game of all-time.

It's up there
There are barely any cutscenes

Wrong in every way, also FPS is a kids genre.

>The problem is you just copypasted instead of sharing your real opinion because if your genuine then that means you can be hurt and that scares you.
It's my real opinion. I'm not some hipster douche who pretends to like flawed gems for the sake of e-peen points. I say that's way more disingenuous than liking good and popular games.

>mario 64 isnt massive monsters you climb and riding on horseback etc, mario 64 doesnt have crazy set piece stuff
No, instead it has actual level design, tons of movement options, varied objectives, and other quirks that make its gameplay way more unique and enjoyable.

ah so it's dark souls then. That MS paint drawing leaves a lot to the imagination, don't blame me.

my point was its easy to give control to the player when there is nothing complex to interact with

>No, instead it has actual level design, tons of movement options, varied objectives, and other quirks that make its gameplay way more unique and enjoyable.
so does sotc

go away toddler

Fair enough

Not even top 100 you faggot

You literally just run around on a horse that runs retardedly in a bigass boring edgy world and kill giants shits. Such a boring game. Fucking weebs

Name 100 better games with only 1 installment per series

>with only 1 installment per series
absolute cope, that has nothing to do with what I said and you know it kid

Don't make claims you can't back up next time bucko

clunkiest controls of any ps2 game

I can think of clunkier games, Drakengard for one

imagine devoting this much time to defending an average game like SoC

Are you disagreeing that Drakengard is clunkier? If so then i'm not sure what to say

no just pointing out that you're a faggot

Downvoted for off-topic discussion my fellow Whovian

>make stupid argument
>get BTFO
>DUDE IMAGINE DEVOTING ONE MINUTE TO DEFENDING SOTC
lol
>get BTFO again
>u-ur a f-f-faggot
lol

the state of you, absolutely pathetic. maybe try playing more games before you make big boy claims little zoomer

>People only like it for its “art”
>THIS I COMAND SO IT IS TRUE AND I WILL NOT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING CONTRARY!
Okay then.

>making up retarded strawmen two posts in a row to bump your faggy thread
cringe

Cutscenes with some janky horse riding and climbing sprinkled in.

>making up retarded strawmen
You specifically said that people only like SOTC because of something you hate, then you told us to prove you wrong. If this thread and simply looking online won't change your mind, nothing will, and even that won't because we all know that "Prove me wrong" is code for "Keep talking at me and making me laugh while I dismiss you".

Someone should make the Virgin Wander vs. the Chad Ico

so what's the difference between this and the remaster? just the graphics?

There is a remaster and a remake which one are you referring to?

imagine typing this out. Seek help kid

Thanks for proving me right.

oh really? i thought the ps4 release was a remaster
what's different about the remake then?

ico is interesting but gets boring after a while

it removed the soul

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Not the greatest of all time but a great game. Average gameplay but god tier scale, exploration and atmosphere. This game was incredible when it came out. I feel bad for overstimulated Zoomers who will never be able to get that experience. It must suck having never experienced the first game to do something groundbreaking and only grow up on games derivative of the forerunners.

Yeah there is a remaster for PS3 and a remake on PS4. There's basically no difference aside from the remade visuals. There are some extra collectibles but they basically mean nothing. Some fans also have gripes with some of the visual changes but that's a different conversation entirely

>There's basically no difference aside from the remade visuals.
>Dormin's voice is more generic evil and feminine instead of how it was originalls - mysterious and what not
youtu.be/_zCCmeL1lRY?t=591
youtu.be/lxCT2s--ulg?t=575
>Many environmental noises like wind, air pressure in tight spaces, and echoes missing or severely toned down
Watch the entire ending cutscene for many examples of this, but you'll notice if during gameplay too if you pay attention. Not to mention the sword's sound here
youtu.be/UjVygpnbJsE?t=758
youtu.be/lxCT2s--ulg?t=3452
>More examples from the end being fucked from bad sound/music.
youtu.be/ukjtnuFmD_w?t=302
youtu.be/9IFaTBN9wIo?t=8563
>Added Colossus finishing blow SFX that sounds terrible
>Every Colossus sounds worse, no exceptions
youtu.be/GeIC_MVXwYc?t=415
youtu.be/G-QqSfDUF7Q?t=209
>Removed the song that plays when Wander touches Mono's face
youtu.be/WAIB8rhSfaQ?t=573
youtu.be/1hZjQHMq6oc?t=1898
>Removed another song from the end of the game
youtu.be/ukjtnuFmD_w?t=589
youtu.be/9IFaTBN9wIo?t=8845
>Many songs were changed, example here
youtu.be/ukjtnuFmD_w?t=1512
youtu.be/9IFaTBN9wIo?t=9719
Sound mixing in general is just off, like the music and voices are too quiet so there's less impact and the entire game seems to be missing the echo of the original which was also present in Ueda's other games. The remake just sounds sterile.

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I have the ps4 version and its boring as fuck. Trolled by Yea Forums again

The empty map would’ve been tolerable if the controls weren’t so janky in the name of ‘realism’

>if people use proper terms to discuss video games I throw a tantrum
Lmao kill yourself.

Ico and SOTC are amazing. Too bad the company decided to then go in hiding for almost ten years making an extremely subpar game. Exited to see what they will continue to do though, if they do continue

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Obviously yes there are minor changes I was more referring to the narrative and boss encounters. Personally I would recommend the PS2 or PS3 version I'm not a fan of Wander's new character model among other things

The horse riding controls are good.
People fail to realise that you are not directly controlling the horse you are controlling the kid whos controlling a horse, thats why the horses actions aren't too predictable is because it is made to behave like an actual animal and not a vehicle with four legs.

the only content that would benefit it would be adding more colossi

And here he is. Took you long enough to show your autistic faggot ass.

seething

>reply_06.exe activated

Which would require changing the map to accommodate their arenas. The only one of the cut Colossi who still has any of its planned arena in the game is the Boar Colossi and its field and rock formation used to trap it.

Imagine seeing someone deliver justice and you get upset about it like the corporate shill you are

>justice
For what? "OH MAH GOOGIES IT NOT MY CHILDNESS BAD BAD BAAAAAD!!"?
>corporate shill
So because I'm not an autistic screaming baby I'm a shill? He's also defending the original corporations.

no but one of the most unique games.

looks like the ps4 version is soulless. yet again realism destroys something important and dreamy

> "OH MAH GOOGIES IT NOT MY CHILDNESS BAD BAD BAAAAAD!!"
Are you okay?
>He's also defending the original corporations.
original game* not a hollow corporate cash grab that perverts the work.

>Are you okay?
he's not okay. he is so ass blasted you probably can't imagine it.

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>remake always crashes at the dog boss

>have nothing so resort to "lol u mad"
This is ACfag-tier autism over a single game, to make all these videos and all these pictures just to try to force everyone else to hivemind to your personal opinion.

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>get constantly BTFO and proven wrong
>"i-imagine t-typing this out"
sad

What should I be having a mental meltdown about here? That Wander isn't constantly scowling?

>I'm not some hipster douche who pretends to like flawed gems for the sake of e-peen points
>mgs3

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>liking MGS3 is hipster now