Holy shit why is every single character from BE minus Bernadetta so fucking shitty and unlikeable?

I fucking despise Bernadetta so goddamn much. She's unbearable and her supports are trash, with maybe 3-4 being okayish. Not only that, but as far as Archers go, she's arguably the worst, regardless of her crest.

>minus Bernadetta
Dude, Bernadetta is the worst one. She's just no good

>worst archer

Nigga you should have shipped Bernie with Felix. You missed some kino romance.

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She's better than Ashe and Ignatz

tip: make her an assassin, not an archer.

>You can recruit from other Houses
>They never appear in the cutscenes if they weren't originally from that House
>There are monastery comments that could have easily been placed in the cut scenes, because many of the conversations relate to what just happened in those scenes mentioned
Was it really that hard for them to stick these characters in the background and say their lines from the monastery in those cut-scenes?

The entirety of the game was written and designed with BL in mind, so no, they couldn't.

The only characters that I see as possibly unlikable are Casper, his shonen protagonist antagonist attitude, and Lindhart, he can seem dickish at times (though some people like this).

I think BE has a pretty solid cast, of them my favorites were Bernie, Petra, and Hubert.
I thought I wouldn't like her when I first played but she has some good moments. When they focus more on her artistic side rather then try to play her anxiety as a joke she's a fine character.

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Ashe is pretty bad outside of Deadeye., but Ignatz definitely isn't. That boy's utility goes beyond being a simple Bow Knight with all the good Rallies he can get.

Her support with Felix is among the ones I mentioned, alongside Seteth, Raph, Alois and Byleth.

Archer is a trap class to begin with and Assassin only becomes available at level 20. Making her a Brigand for Death Blow, a Peg Knight for Darting Blow or even both are the best options.

>The entirety of the game was written and designed with BL in mind
I like BL but holy fuck, stop being this delusional.

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If any route is canon, it's Silver Snow. It's the only realistic situation where autistic Byleth doesn't care about any of the lords or his students, and doesn't pick a side, because an emotionless mercenary who has taught a couple of students for a year wouldn't be that emotionally invested in their well-being over the welfare of the continent.

this is bait
Ferdinand should have been the main character

Ashe is nice for his utility with chests. He can be reliant on rng but usually he's strong enough to be an okay unit.
>Archer is a trap class
Archers are finally great, why would you say this?

BE cast is best for me, although im saving my GD run for lunatic difficulty

the only one who is sorta boring is ferdinand, but he grows on you a little anyways
BL cast has better interactions, but as stand alone characters i like BE a lot more

Rally Speed alone doesn't make Ignatz better than Bernadetta.

>>Petra
>>Linhart
>>Caspar
>>Unlikable

The fact you only like the awawawa abused neet says more about you than anything else

You gonna deny that? Literally the entirety of Part 1 is around BL, even if you don't play as BL. Ashe's father revels, Sylvain's brother goes loco. Felix father shows up, Annette's father shows up. There's literally no alliance/empire side character showing up (Arundel is kingdom). BL is also the only house where every character has a linked backstory. They're also the main heroes of the game.

Just face it user, they were obviously the central point of the writing.

>Overreact to something, screech loudly, and run away

That sums up all of her C supports. Bernie is no good.

Just because OP is a retard doesn't mean Bernie needs to be shit on. Her fans are annoying faggots but she has some great supports with other BE students that makes her a good addition to the house. There's no one in this house that feels off compared to the rest of the cast, though I guess Casper is the weakest link. Still, even Casper feels a lot natural compared to Ashe in BL who feels awkward there.

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Because Archers get a measly Hit +20 compared to other classes like Brigand's Death Blow, Mage's Fiendish Blow, Cav's Desperation, Mercenary's Vantage and Pegasus Knight's Darting Blow. While it isn't bad, it definitely feels underwhelming. The growths also don't fix the shaky Strength most "dedicated" archers get.

He gets Rally Speed, Dexterity and Strength, my guy.

> not liking the ultimate chad FERDINAND VON AEGIR

how is it having shit taste?

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Didn't know much about the game before launch and recruited Bernadetta to Blue Lions (did it accidentially but felt obliged to use her)
Train her as Brigand to get Death Blow then work her up to Falcon Knight

that scene's not the actual support convo according to the support log

>why are the villains unlikable?!?

Wouldn't know.

>Except Bernadetta
>Except
Imagine being fond of exaggerated anime characters. Gross.

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>villains
>save the world from tyranny
it is better to betray the whole world than have dragon satan betray you

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+20 hit is nice to have for deadeye imo. Getting both +20 hit and death blow is feasible on a first playthrough and very easy in NG+.

Because the Black Eagles are literally “the bad guys.”

Only rally speed and strength are relevant and he doesn't get strength until S authority, so it's useless.

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For me, it's Seteth

>If you recruit characters from the other house, they talk to about how sad it is that they can't serve their lord/faction and will actually mourn their Lord's death, most of the time
>The only exception is Edelgard. Petra talks about how she was held hostage and wanted to free her country from the Empire by bringing it down, Caspar is the most confrontational against El and call hers evil. Ferdie tells you that after Edelgard declared ware she asked him to join her side as a political puppet and serve as a propaganda piece in exchange for restoring his family's honor and land but he tells her her off and joins your side to fight for something he actually believes in. He also tells that Edelgard is an extremist, lacking noble ideals

Holy shit, what did Edelgard do to them for her own house to hate her that much?

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>likes Bernie
>doesn't like Ferdinand
Neck yourself weeb.

can the game stop fucking with my adjunct pairings between missions?

Reminder to worship lolis.

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She's a domineering bitch that makes everything about her. If you play her route she clearly believes she is the only person who can save the world. Standard narcissism

>edelgard wants to use ferdinand as a political puppet
>he tells her to fuck off so he can solve his problems his way
ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BASED

>The entirety of the game was written and designed with BL in mind
this user's probably the same guy who made this thing:
youtube.com/watch?v=JSIOhhKBAm0

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Everyone beside Hubert hates Edelgard though.
>Ferdinand doesn't like her and lives in her shadow
>Dorothea hates nobles
>Petra is a prisoner of the Empire, has to fight to make sure Brigid isn't harmed
>Casper will tell you he doesn't exactly understand the situation when you fight him, fighting because his family is
>Lindhart and Bernie don't give two fucks about politics and just don't see opposing her as worth it without you doing so as well

>There's literally no alliance side character showing up

Did you actually play GD route?

Only route where you don't fuck up the agarthans either, just cripple them.

>Brigand's Death Blow
Is criminally easy to pick up for any physical character, even those like Dmitri who have a weakness in axes. All it takes is a D+ in axes to have a 69% to succeed on the exam. Same with swords an vantage

If you want to be a really big brain, you can also just upgrade their weapon ranks for free by luring a dodgy enemy into forest, equip a shield and a rusted/broken version of the weapon, have the +1 class proficiency from the statue, and swing all the live long day at around 4+ weapon skill points a turn.

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The Blue Lions are a tight knit family with nearly all but the stable boy (Ashe) having a deep connection with mutiple members of their house.

The Golden Deer is a bunch of misfits from various walks of life banding together.

The Black Eagle is literally comprised of hostages, isolated nobles, and people chasing social mobility. They aren't allowed to have strong bonds or convictions because half the time they have to basically be written to side with Edelgard and sycophants and the other half of the time they're allowed to act on their own wills. Edelgard is the villain, so they suffer for it because none of them are villains like her and Hubert

Edelgard is such a hypocrite if she intends to use Ferd as a puppet by restoring his noble status despite wanting to remove the nobility and Medieval class system altogether. That, or she thinks Ferd really is that stupid and won't notice that she'll take the one thing he offered him to join in the first place if she wins the war.

Because the writing for BE was trash. Characters have 0 synergy between them except for Edelgard and Hubbert. Edelgard never turns out to be a proper leader and she has minimal interaction with EVERYONE in her house with the exception of her lap dog

Recruiting BE students to other houses irnically makes their developments make way more sense. When you oppose Edelgard they all actually believe in the cause. When you talk to them on BE it's just "We saw Byleth join her and he obviously is going to fuck shit up so we may as well use this opportunity to join the empire".

Bernadetta is dork bait that has her illness made light of the entire game and one note that barely shows any growth.

I swear that people that dislike characters like Dorothea and Ferdinand never go past C supports. Also Petra is tremendously likeable from the start.

I legitimately don't understand why people don't like Rhea. Doesn't Rhea literally only go berserk in the one route where you betray her? Every other route she gives up control of the Church and Byleth/Dimitri takes control. What's the issue?

They played Black Eagles where Rhea is her most unhinged first and Jeralt's skepticism and fear of Rhea also gives her a bad first impression.

the joke is both Edelgard and Jeralt are basing their views on a lack of information in judging her which is pretty funny that the people who do, do the same.

>hating Ferdinand
>hating Hubert
Why?

>Literally no alliance/empire side character showing up
Flame Emperor (Empire)? Death Knight (Empire)? Judith (Alliance)? Arundel is not Kingdom you dumbfuck, he's not even human in the same sense as the other human characters. 3H is such a simple game to follow and you missed even the most basic story elements. Did you even play other routes, or are you basing your opinion on a BL playthough (in which case no shit it's going to appear to be BL centric)?

Half of BL's part 2 is a direct copy of GD/Church. BE has by far more unique maps and a MUCH different story when compared to the others, which is why it terminates earlier (Ch. 18). None of these routes are "the" route, they're all meant to be equal in weight and probably received equal development time (except maybe Church t b q h). If anything BL seemed the simplest to me, and if someone asked me what route to start with it's the one I'd recommend (BL to GD to BE, then Church if you feel like it).

Edelgard's B support has an option that raises support with Hubert I believe.

>writing is trash

No, Edelgard is just that much of a bitch. She literally sent Bernie to die, Fern gets lied to, Petra is just her from a different
mother and Edelgard doesn't realize this and even Hubert loyalty shows signs of cracking if he romances Petra as his obsession splits.

She's an insane cultist that implanted a goddess in a baby to make her ends meet. She is also an absolute bitch and represents the evil church of seiros.

What kind of shitty build are you doing with Bernie?

Brigand into either paladin/assasin followed by bow knight.

Her Dex is so high she doesn't need hit+20 and crits nonstop.

To play CF-advocate:

Implication is that Rhea has been manipulating events for millenia, and is in fact responsible for the division of the Empire into three with the "papal state" right in the center (Manuela has an almost throw away line that hints at that particular point), a false history, and the perpetuation of the crest system, so that she could play humans off each other. You are correct in that Rhea relinquishes control at the end of the other routes, but since she's ageless one could easily see it as just saying "OK, they know too much, I'll just wait and come back under yet another name in 200-300 years to re-assert my control." She plays the long, LONG game.

She literally viewed herself and her kind as Gods and made a religion about her mom, with herself as (secretly) its most venerated "saint." She doesn't actually give a fuck about humans when her mask is removed, and rules them benevolently only insofar as it works for her. In this regard the CF narrative represents making the hard choice to free humanity from Rhea's shadow government, which can only be achieved through her death because she'll just keep coming back after she's "forgotten," and complete dismantling of the system she created, which requires a unified state under a strong central authority.

Dorothea is very likeable

Flame Emperor is LITERALLY Edelgard dude. Judith also doesn't shows up on any of the other routes.

Yeah, the only empire character I'll give you is DK and he's a VILLAIN as you said. Still 99% of the NPCs are from the kingdom. Hell the Alliance has no NPC asides from Judith.

That is all literally arbitrary as fuck you goddamn retard

I think a lot of people see her early supports and dialogues and expect her to go full on gold digger but fortunately she avoids that. I really like all the BE girls. Yes, even Bernadetta, contrarians be damned.

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Playing BE for the first time. I know that at the end of Pt1 I have to decide whether going against the church, or keeping up with Edelgard's retarded world domination plan (which I don't know of yet, but I'm sure is retarded).

What should I choose? I really dislike the house and don't think I'll play it twice.

She's 18 years old, has no actual leadership experience and let's face it, her plan is half baked as fuck and ultimately pointless. If she waited 6 or 7 years instead of 5, crests would be able to be removed from anyone, Hanneman and Linhardt see to that

On GD you can speak to alliance soldiers in the monastery. They have some cool lines, one I remember talks about their experience being in the Golden Deer class with Holst.

Dorothea is literally a gold digger through and through though. She doesn't love any men, she just wants stability.

That's because the kingdom is weak as shit, leaderless, and extra dependent on the Church to clean up their messes.

Nobody would be that willing to give up their crests, especially not the nobles of the kingdom

Why does it matter what she thinks of humans? She already has some insane self control to not just genocide humanity after they basically massacred her race. She's been keeping peace in Fodlan and has been fighting TWSITD and keeping them in check. I just don't see the point in dismantling Rhea when she's been doing a good job ruling. All that bad shit she does in the game was also a direct result of Edelgard challenging the Church.

Church route is basically the GD route but slightly harder due to no lord and with the BE students in the cutscenes instead. The actual BE route has a few unique maps and is shorter then other routes, the other three have 23 chapters while the BE route only has 18.

To be fair.
Belith was a dead fetus other wise

So GD fights against the church? That might make me play standard BE and leave GD to save the day.

WHY do people always say this nonsense?
Does some Native/African American guy have "insane self-control" for not killing every white guy they see? What the fuck kind of a deranged moralfag is patting an immortal being on the back for not committing genocide?

she's everything sylvain hates yet the hacks make an S support for them.

Yeah no shit she is literally Edelgard, who is an Empire character. Your original point was that first half narrative was constructed around BL entirely, which is blatantly false in that the apparent villain is literally an imperial character and the Slitherfags are a separate faction altogether (with, in any event, stronger ties to the Empire than any other faction). If you're focus is solely on non-student heritage count (which is retarded as hell but I'll humor you), here's four more non-BL just off the top of my head:

Cyril - Almyra, which strongly relates to the Alliance (see Hilda/Holst and Claude, as well as the political relationship with Almyra really only mattering in the context of the Alliance).

Shamir - Dagda, which is story relevant only because it was destroyed by the Empire prior to the events of the game. She would not even be in Fodlan had that war not happened.

Manuela - Enbarr (imperial capital) songstress.

Acheron - Alliance dickhead, shows up in Lorenz' pre-TS paralogue and as a relevant story character in all three routes post-TS during the bridge capture chapter.

You may be the dumbest person in this thread, no joke.

It's mostly just Fedora bullshit.

People forget that Rhea lying about humans literally killing God after it restored the land from nuclear fallout and whacking each other senseless with the desecration still beating remains of the Goddess creations for power is a lie that mostly benefited humans.

Almost all noble families in the game actually come from the side that pillaged the noble tomb, they weren't massacred for that, instead they were told they had a purpose given by a whitewashed version of the event where they were the heroes.

Rhea lie fucking stopped another war from happening and made humans feel better about themselves, fuck it the first emperor was Rhea human friend.

Edelgard just took a major dump on her ancestor legacy when she tried to steal shit from the holy tomb just like nemesis, wich mind you is the guy her ancestor and Rhea fought to stop.

I just cannot see Rhea as evil, she tried to stop war, her only issues lie in 12 hummunculus who failed to host sothis across 1400 years meaning that each lived at least 80 years before the next one was created took too much of her time to notice that the Agarthans were dubstepping their way into politics and her lack of foresight that the very same humans that whacked eavk other to death with the still beating remains of her slaughtered people would become obsessed with being able to use the still beating remains of her slaughtered people to whack each other in the future.

You're missing the part where they genocided her entire race and turned them into weapons. Yeah i'm gonna commend her for not just killing everything when compared to every other dragon in fire emblem

Hanneman is also from the Empire.

Any reason why this game felt rushed and unfinished? There's so much shit they rushed through without explaining much of anything. Is the Death Knight suppose to be Jeritza? If so they didn't really dwell on it very much or make me care since he never fucking talked at all through out the game. Why was there futuristic technology like fucking missiles with the god damn UN logos on them and an alien base? Why did they make it a point to have every character you first meet say "I feel like I've met you before.." or something to that extent, hyping up something weird going on only to forget that plot point when the time skip happened? Was Rhea suppose to be evil or something? Why did every one make the church out to be as if it were evil only for them to do fucking nothing through out the entire game? What was the point of bringing the whole "time control" powers into the game only to do fucking nothing with it outside the beginning of the game? I thought for sure that the whole reason all the characters felt like they met you before was because of some time fuckery but nope, literally everything that the game brought up in the beginning is forgotten about after the time skip.

Did you forget about Nader user? You know Cluade's original instructor.

No, in both BL and GD you partner with the church. In church however it's just you on your own. BE is definitely the most different from the other routes as the alliance, kingdom, and church all oppose the empire, meaning you have to deal with all three on BE. In the other route you fight the other faction in one instance but beside that it's you fighting the empire.

>Any reason why this game felt rushed and unfinished?
Because it was rushed and unfinished

>On GD you can speak to alliance soldiers in the monastery. They have some cool lines, one I remember talks about their experience being in the Golden Deer class with Holst.

>Holst became the most renowned general in the alliance, I'm still just a guard.

I kinda felt that one.

Edelgard route (Crimson Flower) is a unique path map and story wise, so if you will never play red again I'd go that route. Church route (the alternative to Edelgard) is a copy of GD for the most part.

Personally I really liked CF personally, but only AFTER the timeskip. The last two maps are the best in the game in my opinion, and the story is at its weightiest.

Sothis feet

Ashe = Lonato
Annette = Gibert
Mercedes = Death Knight
Sylvain = Miklan
Felix = Rodrigue

Do you unironically think you can blame an entire race of people for events that happened 1,000 years ago?
That's fucking insane.

Also, why the fuck was Nemesis locked in a kid's locker? You're telling me he wasn't able to escape some bully's antics for all those years?

>Not liking Lindhart
Acquire taste waifufags

This game was originally slated for 2018, if you think it's rushed now it would have been awful had they not delayed it, twice at that.

It's annoying, I wish both BE and the church route were more distinct and fleshed out, but overall I still am happy with the end result. With how little is known for the dlc I want to be optimistic and say it'll add some good content that helps ease the obviously unfinished stuff.

HILDA
HILDA

She let the 10 elite's children live, so she actually held back on her rage.

>Death knight(empire)
He’s related to Mercedes

bugs me to no end to, also how the order of characters gets fucked after a paralogue mission

Listen to yourself, what is wrong with you??

who cares, when the fuck is the difficulty patch coming

Is this for real? Yeah man, let's just let this non-human unelected lizard rule humanity in secret forever, trick us into literally worshipping her dead mom as a God (and her and her buddies as saints), dictate our political circumstances and divisions in whatever manner is most advantageous to her, suppress human advancement and meritocratic advancement, etc. because so far she hasn't flown off the handle.

Rhea is like just a bad century or two from becoming a Skeksis.

Boars...

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I mean. That still happens in current society

>Petra is OK but the fact that she speaks like a retard because she's foreign yet has no accent becomes tiresome pretty fast.
this

Dude, play golden deer to see how she didn't really do anything wrong, she was and is just obsessed with bringing back Sothis.

Rhea has a bunch as well

Maybe because (Marianne aside) you like one dimensional characters with no depth?

So are you saying they werent responsible for sothis death?

Sothis, cured the land from nuclear fallout before falling into slumber.

There wouldn't be a fucking Fodlan without her.

She is fat

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Human advancement nuked all of fodland

If *all* she wanted was money and stability she would've long settled on a man, this is made clear.

I don't know, Ferdinand is pretty based.

And Mercedes is originally from the empire . Congratulations you played yourseld

Retards like you are why Anakin had murder a shitton of younglings, just to push through your thick mongoloid skull the idea that he's a bad guy.

Not fat enough

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I think we can agree that golden deer has the best characters

When has any FE ever had a likeable character if you aren't an insufferable weeb?

Cope

Her benevolence is feigned. She doesn't have the ability to massacre all of humanity. She let them live because the crest system became useful to her, as yet another means to exert control; with the crest system in play she knows who the important players will be and so can keep an eye on all the pieces at all times. If any human from anywhere could rise up through the ranks it'd be chaos for her.

Before Awakening and now with Three Houese. Likable doesn't have to mean they are deep, just amusing in ssome way.

Not him but Rhea literally ignored the disappearance of a student for over a year, allowed them back in school when they rescued her mysteriously "unharmed" and didn't admit fault when her/church negligence killed Byleth's father.

Reminder that as long as you barely stop short of killing babies and planetwide genocide, dumbasses on Yea Forums will say you did nothing wrong.

None of those characters with the exception of Edelgard represent interests from the Empire, which is what counts.

Like you wouldn't know Mercedes is from the empire if she didn't explicitly tell you.

>planetwide genocide.

I don’t think even the slitherfags advocates for this. The fuck are you smoking

Based

Being an idiot is not the same as being bad.
Edel didnt apologize either

So Dimitri is also from the empire because his grandfather was from there

>reading comprehension

Again, Sothis did something even us would consider a fucking miracle with our technology.

For the people of Fodlan that's not different from a creator God.
The plot and herself stated that she didn't think it through and was too obsessed with bringing her mother back to see that Fodlan was in trouble.

You fucking fedoras like to see Rhea as an authoritarian that splitters Fodlan because it would be easy to control, but that's easily proven to be Agarthan propaganda in the empire that feed Edelgard narcissistic tendencies.

You want the church to be evil because you think our world church is evil, however the entire game evidence shows that it was actually fucking good and the only questionable part is Rhea obsession with her Mother.

Her entire character is just an echo of her culture. She has no personality outside of being a Brigid princess.

Death Knight is Mercedes' half-brother.

>moving goalposts
First it's just "who is from where" now it's "who advances whose interests." Even under the new criteria, nobody is advancing the Kingdom's interests - Sylvain's bro is just fucking pissed, just like Lonato was.

There is no way you will ever convince me or any other sane person that Part 1 is designed solely, or even principally, around the Kingdom, and that the BL is the designated "canon" house or whatever. It isn't. And the same can be said of BE or GD. There are many links from all houses to the overarching storyline, as has been pointed out time and again in this thread.

Is it really just idiocy when you knowingly do not disclose the disappearance of a student for over a year? And then when it happens again to Flayn you do not inform the people looking for her that this shit happened once before?

These two are the best girls, deal with it.

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>Game obsesses over Crests, to the point that the entire continent goes to war over it, depicts how it exploits people for those who have them, segregates and strips the noble inheritance of characters who lack them and is the motivation and source of hardship for many of the characters
>NG+ offers you the option to just buy Crest items and give any of your characters Crest abilities like it's nothing

I honestly would have preferred a more in-game integration by offering players Hanneman's magical tools as an option to buy for your characters, and if they really do replace relics. Having the ability to buy Crest items for characters in the game, makes it weird when the characters talk about how unfair Crests are or how it sucks having or not having them are when you can buy them like their furniture in the game.

And wanting to bang Ignatz/Ashe and the Professor from the start.

She is supposed to be as young as Lysithea for crying out loud.

Bernadetta was one of the weaker BE characters. Even Ferdinand is better, if more unlikeable.

Canonfags are just desperate for (You)s. Do not even dignify their posts with answers

>edelgard bitches and moans that she doesnt understand why people fight to the bitter end and dont surrender earlier to prevent blood shed. Instead of absolutely crushing them.
>every other route she fights to the bitter end dispute constantly getting crushed
Why is she like this? I hate it.

The Church of Seiros is not the Church of Sothis, several characters say this.
She is an authoritarian, full stop. You witness her be one at every fucking turn; you get your ORDERS from her, dog.

cute

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You're a dumbass. My original point was that the story concerns the kingdom for 99% of its part. It doesn't fucking matter where a character is from. I'd say that cornelia is an empire character despite being born in the kingdom, you know why? Because she actually moves forward to the goals of the empire.

You fucking clown, tahts the entire point in calling them "kingdom/empire characters". A line of text showing where they were born doesn't mean shit. Give me a character that actually works towards a goal.

Have husband

When she’s beaten in GD and Church she basically asks for you to kill her to put an end to any possibility of dissent.

I can see how your think that in BL though

>You want the church to be evil because you think our world church is evil, however the entire game evidence shows that it was actually fucking good and the only questionable part is Rhea obsession with her Mother.
Nah, I have no issues with the Catholic church (or any other religion). Calling me a "fedor" or whatever other ad hom you like based on assumed (but incorrect) characteristics shows you have no real argument here.

>The plot and herself stated that she didn't think it through and was too obsessed with bringing her mother back to see that Fodlan was in trouble.
Of course Rhea will say these things. And in any event, I don't think Rhea is literally evil; I think she simply puts herself and her kind first, and is therefore by definition incapable of ruling, and unqualified to rule, humans, especially in a totally unaccountable secretive manner. She will never give up that role willingly. Are there other avenues Edelgard could have pursued to remove her from power? Maybe. But that's not how the game played out.

Rhea is a villain, but not all villains need to be cartoonishly evil to qualify as a villain, and the fact that she has some defensible qualities, like reducing warfare to basically a state of non-existence over the last 300 years is one of them. Good villains are three dimensional and likeable as characters, if not as people.

Shes a hypocrite In nature

Byleth really should have just fucked Edelgard just to shut her up. Seriously that's all he had to do to prevent this bullshit.

or else?

>Lindhart [is a] straight up "Ignorant noble"
He's quite literally the most on the nose character. He's basically Captain Tylor without the luck.

Everyone in BE is good EXCEPT Bernedetta. You just have godawful tastes

>she will never give up that role willingly
Bu she did in 2 routes?

based cotton candy sisters

loli will be sad!

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In 1400 years of history the only real thing she did is split the empire and kingdom and tell the kingdom to just accept the church of Seiros as its faith and they would be cool with that.

The king of lions just did that.

Edelgard is feed bullshit propaganda about Rhea splitting the empire from whitin when in reality the king of lions just wanted independence.

Even the entire point of why the empire wants to be unified again can be blamed on how bad the empire got at governing by itself.

Rhea just wanted to stop another war.

>all this bernie hate
When did this happen? I haven't been to these threads in a whileis it because shes popular?

Yeah to the only person who could kick her ass on a 1:1 fight/ her frankenstiened reincarnated not mother.

You must be trolling. Here, I'll spoonfeed you: Edelgard, a literal imperial character whose goal is perhaps one of, if not the, most central elements to the story's conflict is the presumptive enemy in Part 1 in the form of the Flame Emperor and shows up multiple times alongside her underling, the Death Knight. Even the Kostas battles at the VERY START are a result of her machinations, as he was in her employ.

As I noted, neither Lonato nor Sylvain's bro have anything to do with the Kingdom insofar as their goals are concerned. You are moving the goal posts over and over again because you refuse to accept that the game is called Three Houses and not "Blue Lions." I get it, you like BL (and I suspect it's the only route you played), great. But you cannot seriously truly believe that they are literally designed to be the actual canon protagonists of the game and Part 1 is intentionally structured around them at the expense of every other house. It's just simply not the intent and not the outcome.

Petra is cool stop talking shit on my waifu or she'll beat you up

Just started the game, which house is the best one? I like golden deer girls but i hate the metrosexual fag

read and

>hes a berniefag
Explains a lot about your OP.

Sounds like you have shit taste, so just flip a three sided coin.

I mean she's not a gold digger to begin with like Charlotte, she just desperately doesn't want to return to suffering as a street urchin when she's old and her voice has gone

I'll take Ferdinand before I take Sylvain.

I’m still confused on how anyone likes Bernadetta, her voice acting is terrible and her character is bland and boring. I do admit that the black eagles have some pretty unlikable characters compared to the other houses though, I really like caspar and petra however.

She could round them all up and then chloroform them, she doesnt need to start a war

She's fun to bully and burn!
Bernie also really doesn't have much fun development until the War phase of the plot.

She also has some pretty great ending cards

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Popular things are automatically bad user.

Really, it's just that berniefags are annoying fuckers that like the character for one trait. Discussion of her is awful. t. berniefag.

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She would literally already have a husband if that were the case, MANY of her supports clearly outline this

Don't pretend the one with white hair who reminds me of Louise from ZNT isn't the cutest shit you have ever seen

damn that crit animation

>She will never give up that role willingly
She does willingly even before the timeskip because she was holding the fort until Sothis returned.

Even if you aren't "replaced" by Sothis as Edeltard like to claim you are still Sothis Vessel and she says that if she falls you will lead the church.
>Rhea is a villain, but not all villains need to be cartoonishly evil to qualify as a villain
How, villain by omission?
Her only fault is not realizing the agarthans were still alive and that humans would be stupid enough to whack each other silly with the remains of her people to see who keeps the fucking still beating remains of her people to whack each other.

There is no fucking way someone so obsessed with her mother that she would hug the bloodied spine of her mother with her heart used as a battery bent on bringing her back 12 times in 1400 until you become the vessel of Sothis by fucking accident because your mother made a plea to put her heart in you so you could live, mind you I repeat there is no fucking way that kind of person could have predicted humans would go full retard again.

>She's everything sylvain hates

Au contraire. She wants to marry so she's taken care of in old age, not for crests. Sylvain hates women because they want to marry him for his crest, his wealth has little to do with it

There's a whole lot of tragedy behind that plucky appearance.
She joins you if you go Eagles, by the way.

She looks like Lillie from Pokemon

And even then. By the end of CF. Edelgard was willing to spare Rhea if she just booed the fuck out. But obviously that wasn’t in the cards

Can we all agree that Dimitri (timeskip) should be in Smash?

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Nah, I want Hilda.

she should sit on my face until i can't breathe if she really wants to teach me a lesson

What about Hilda's best friend?

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>not liking Ferdinand and Petra

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jesus christ did you do any of her fucking supports

Why does this remind me of those images where Shadow and Knuckles pray to Jesus?

Smashfags should get their own quarantine board.

>Even if you aren't "replaced" by Sothis as Edeltard like to claim you are still Sothis Vessel and she says that if she falls you will lead the church.
If she dies she wants Byleth to succeed her because, in those routes, she believes you are essentially her dargon mom, or rather the closest thing there is to that, and so, given that you've demonstrated loyalty to her, you're the best option she has. She would not relinquish true permanent control in other circumstances (as I said, she plays the long, immortal dragon game).

Anyway, I've made my thoughts on this known in this thread (most of the posts on this subject in this thread are by me, including both of the ones you quoted), so I'll leave it at this. I can respect that some people would choose peace under Rhea than war under human leadership (to simplify, slightly); I just disagree strongly with "Rhea did nothing wrong" folks, and I wouldn't make that choice myself personally. Obviously IS wants you to be able to feel at least somewhat validated in your choice regardless of who you side with.

Based and Aegirpilled

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Literally irrelevant

In BL do we know why they never use the arrow of light nukes ever? Also why hadn't Hubert left a note about the Agarthans to Dimitri? He wouldn't be able to pinpoint their location but would he not still see them as worth mentioning?

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I'm doing Crimson Flower now and it made me really laugh when you can talk to Ferdinand and he asks you if you ever think about what your life would be like if you made different choices, and if you answer "you mean if I sided against the Empire" you get + support points with him.

Edelgard's route sucks, everyone has to be fucking retarded to side with her, plus the story is just "2 fights and Alliance is dead, 2 fights and Kingdom is dead" and the story claims its because of Byleth, but you don't actually do anything. If Byleth had a personality like Robin it could make sense because he could talk and make strategy, instead he/she is just unga bunga.

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>she's foreign yet has no accent
Am I the only person hearing an accent from her?

no nukes cuz you kill Thales by accident

What's wrong with Ferdie, Linhardt, and Petra?

>I legitimately don't understand why people don't like Rhea.
Athiest fedora tipping edelcucks.

>everyone has to be fucking retarded to side with her
Based retard speedreader.

S-Rank Cornelia when?

Yes, Petra literally just talks like Starfire from teen titans but cranked up to 11

Imo they fucking wasted an opportunity to have female Gregor

>durr Manuela gives a shitty reason for siding with Empire so it makes sense
No.

I was thinking that, obviously we see that the Agarthans are kind of on their last legs as seen in the final map where it appears that they are trying to make their last stand, but the idea that he alone could fire the nuke seems a bit ridiculous. I do like BL overall but I feel the way they handled the Agarthans is pretty unsatisfactory, even worse is that it may have been done on purpose to make the routes with them more unique.

On the topic of Thales since its obvious that the Arundel you kill is Thales is it ever known if there was a real Arundel, like how there was a real Tomas and Monica, or was Thales always Arundel from the start?

Dimitri says Arundel used to be very devout and make lots of donations to the Church, but stopped all of a sudden. That's when he was killed and dubstepper took his place.

user, I'm not the guy you're arguing with but I feel the same about the whole "game was clearly written with BL as the heroes and everyone else was unfinished" thing. I'm sure that his point is simply that, while the goals of these characters do not necessarily move the Kingdom's goals, their essence as characters is defined BECAUSE of their kingdom origin.

For example, I'd never consider Mercedes or Jeritza to be empire characters, because as characters, they really have nothing to do with the empire asides from the fact they were born there.

Meanwhile, Lonato, Rodrigue, Gilbert, they're all characters who are 100% defined by their kingdom allegiance and their position in the kingdom.

For example, Lonato would have never been relevant if he hadn't been a kingdom lord. Sylvain's brother would have never gone berserk and steal the lance of ruin if he wasn't driven by greed and resentment for house gautier.

Meanwhile, characters like Manuella, asides from being born in the empire, really have nothing to do with the empire.

What shitty reason? She never cared about Rhea or the church that much. She believes in the goddess, not in Seiros and the church. She had no reason to follow Rhea, like Shamir and Hanneman.
She also defaults to the empire in other routes should she not be recruited.

If you'd have half a brain, you'd know that this wouldn't be the case. She needs to pick right because any man could use her as a cum dumbster and throw her back into the streets.

I did literally ALL of her supports and they're all basically "I'm a fucking clown" for the guys. The one with Hanneman is laughable where she tells him that her father tried to fuck her when she was a diva and that's why she distrusts old male nobles, yet she can end up marrying Hanneman.

Throughout ALL of her support convos, she repeats the same thing about how she wants a man to take care of her when her beauty fades, because she doesn't want to go back to the streets.

Thanks, I now remember that piece if dialogue from the library when he read about them. On my first playthrough I was under the assumption that the donations were a ploy to make him appear good until his real plan was ready, though of course this ended up being Thales and not Arundel at all. It's a bit confusing though as after you kill him Dimitri speaks to him as if he is his actual uncle.

Typically no, Nobles want to avoid that and ending up with illegitimate children

Anette and Ingrid are boring as shit and they’re both BL
Mercedes, however, redeems them. Honestly don’t see what people see in the GD, I mostly see people posting memes that aren’t their actual in game personalities most likely to assign them said personalities.

I like Hilda, Lorenz, Raphael and Marriane. Rest are meh.

Ferdinand allies with her in every route except church. Literally he has no reason to go against her.
Yeah, he's upset about his house losing its power, but that's exactly what motivates him to stay with Edelgard. Because he feels its his duty to restore the honor of House Aegir.

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petra is cute and a fast unit

Sylvain, Lysithea, Raphael and Dmitri all have extremely dark backstories and their characters, while deeply flawed, don't revolve around acting like victim 24/7.
Bernadetta acts like everyone is trying to kill or rape her in literally every single one of her C supports and its fucking annoying.
Sylvain sleeps with women to take his anger out on people who only see him as Crest. Lysithea lashes out on people who treat her like a child because she doesnt have much time left. Dmitri suppresses all his rage and it all comes out in an unhealthy way. Raphael honestly deals with his problems the best, and hes also a comic relief character, tries his best not to focus on his tragedy and pumps iron to protect those who are still alive that he cares for.
Those are all believable traits and much more dynamic than AHHHHH DONT KILL ME SENPAI

Of course I agree
Dimitri would be such an amazing fighter

Have you seen how comically evil some nobles in this game are?

>Volcano map with thiefs.
>ACHERON
>Ferdinand dad, although he was mostly played by the slitherers.

Nobles like Ferdinand, Lonato and Lorenz are hard to find actually and even the Lonato goes off the deep end with the western church that were feed lies.

>she'll beat you up

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Give Bernadetta Raphael dick, she becomes a good character with Raphael by her side.

Did you miss the 300 conversations about Nobles literally disowning 10 of their children in a row if none of them bore a crest?

It's a medieval themed game, they have no paternity tests. Real life nobles would constantly fuck every single women they deemed attractive.

>kingdom related characters are defined by their attachment to the kingdom
>this means the game is about the kingdom, and kingdom characters are by default the protags, and everyone else is a side character
How does this follow, exactly? How does Kingdom characters being especially attached to or defined by their homeland mean the overall story, which is in fact about a three-pronged conflict between the Empire, the Church, and the Dubsteppers, is actually a Kingdom story? If every Golden Deer character went on and on about Fodlan's Locket, and were in fact defined by their relation to that place, would that mean the game is actually a game about Golden Deer (or Fodlan's Locket)?

This is truly bizarre logic.

>Lonato goes off the deep end with the western church that were feed lies.
I hated Edelgard and Hubert pretending they weren't behind it in BE route. They are scum.
>convince people to attack Church
>Church kills them
>SEE! CHURCH BAD!

Not sure what that has to do with avoiding power conflicts within the family. The average noble won't pump and dump because it's a huge fucking risk, especially without contraception

WoW OP you got some pretty shit ta-
>minus Bernadetta
You're pretty ok in my book

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were they? couldn't it have been slitherdudes who fed him the bs? edelgard is their pawn (or so they think), not their leader, despite her codename having "emperor" in the name

Bernadetta was literally tied to a chair and left in the dark for days by her father, and psychologically tortured in many other ways, because she tried to make friends with a commoner. You absolutely cannot blame her having a persecution complex. She's a textbook case of PTSD.

BL has REALLY strong characters in Dimitri, Dedue, and Felix but the rest are a bit bland. I won't lie though, Mercedes definitely grew on me a lot as I saw more of her, she has some great lines. No one is really offensive, though Ashe feels flat out incomplete as a character.

With GD I see Cluade, Lorenz, and Marianne as the best of the group and didn't care for the others as much. Raphael is likable but a bit one note, Ignatz is pretty bland (I feel Bernadetta does the "struggling artist" role better since she isn't called some god of painting and is just interested in multiple arts), Lysithea has a good back story but her character isn't too interesting I feel and while I understand why her bitchiness is kind of annoying. Hilda is amusing at times but overall she seems a bit lacking, and Leonie actually annoyed me by the end, they made her way too one note.

BE has what I feel is the overall most quality cast, only Casper is kind of annoying I feel, and everyone is pretty likable. It's just that BL and GD's good characters are pretty damn good.

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She is annoying and reddit

Even is Ashe is annoying I have to admit that Lonato was good before Edelgard and Slitherer bullshit convinced the western church that Rhea was a blasphemer.

Also poor Lonato junior, he tried to get pussy but ended up getting caught by Catherine her fellow blue lion student and executed as a traitor.

Now that I think about it Lonato was good but died like a fool to fuel Edelgard plot and Slitherer plots.

In this game we don't have syphilis.
Crests were the paternity test of its time, and even if you randomly developed one a noble hungry for power would pick up a fatherless crest kid as a heir just to spread its family influence in this universe.

Bernie's dad beat her often, I think it's a but unfair to say her problems aren't understandable. Her problem isn't that her backstory is shitty, it's that, like a lot of Japanese media, they do this weird flip flop where sometimes we are expected to laugh at her and other times feel pity for her doing similar things.

I was with one for 5 years. Acted just like her. Huge tits. Fucked the shit out of them thousands of times, played right into my fetishes. Cheated on me and left. Dated a couple girls short term since then, but nothing was ever the same.

It's more about how a large majority of the part 1 revolves around the kingdom and nothing else, maybe the empire a bit at the end of it.

And also, the way the main characters are written. As mentioned before, BL is the only house where characters actually interact with each other and have interconnected storylines asides from support convos.

Also, you mentioned earlier that Lonato's goals are not motivated by kingdom backstory, but you're forgetting that he only sided with the western church because his son was incriminated for the duscur tragedy and executed by the church

(((Those Who Slither In the Dark))) are basically synths in Fallout 4. They kill you then they take your form and act like you took a vacation. Tomas actually used to be a chill librarian till Solon him him during his sabbatical and took over his body. Same happened to Monica and Arundel

>anime game has wish fulfillment
Stop the presses.

>In this game we don't have syphilis.

First off, you don't know that. Second, are just compelled to retardation? Again that has fucking nothing to do with avoiding illegitimate heirs/crest babies

In what world do you think Arundel/Thales who rules the empire from the shadows alongside the corrupt nobility is just going to casually wait 5-6 years? They’d knock off Edelgard by that point
People who say this shit completely missed the context of the Empire’s political situation

>Bernie also really doesn't have much fun development until the War phase of the plot.
But that's true for the majority of the cast.

Again, did you miss the 300 conversations about nobles disowning 10 children if need be? All because they didn't have a crest. And every noble house is so obsessed with crests that they'll actually adopt any child with a crest even if it's not theirs. Mercedes was adopted by a noble kingdom house solely because she had a crest that the house could use to expand its influence.

Poor Thomas, he seemed like a cool guy.

I find it funny that Solon actually fed information to Claude a couple of times, it would have been interesting if there was a route where the Slitherers tried to get support from the alliance instead of the empire first by showing the relic weapons are exactly what it says on the tin.

And it’s just as fucking retarded in real life.

so? You prefer her to die on the streets?

That's pretty much what happens in BE, in the 5 year time skip almost nothing happens, the empire is still in the same place they were 5 years ago

People who suffer from PTSD tend to only lash out when they interact or are reminded of their triggers or anything that is related to said triggers.

Bernie is written like basic human interaction triggers her, which is neither cute nor pitful, and the writers try to make her both

SHE WAS BORN IN THE EMPIRE WITH AN IMPERIAL NOBLE YOU STUPID FUCK

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Crests are so fucking rare we have houses competing for them and literally trying to use their kids as ways of climbing up the Nobility ladder.

The syphilis thing was a joke, don't take shit literally but given that in this universe there is almost no discussion of illnesses until Remire village or Cornelia is discussed we have to reach a conclusion that they aren't common.

I never said that, but you're arguing that Dorothea doesn't need to be careful with the noble she chooses to golddig because "nobles can't just pump and dump!". They absolutely fucking can and the story says they do it a lot. Hell, did you also miss the part where Dorothea explicitly says that her father was a noble and that her mother was his maid? Dorothea was dumped because she didn't have a crest.

If dorothea had a crest baby with an evil noble, the noble would just dumb her, have her killed and take the child. No one will say jackshit to the noble or ever wonder about the baby's mother because all that matters is that it has a crest

And if their mistress cumdump has a crest baby she wont let her former lover claim? He's SoL

Makes sense. Edel in non BE routes has gone so mad it's heavily implied she sees their former classmates -sans Hubert- as nothing but pawns rather than people, which explains some of her more whack actions like setting Bernie on fire as long as the enemy doesn't get to use a fucking ballista

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What's the highest damage number you guys have gotten?
I got 345 with Annette using a Dust Crit.

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If he has a reason to, he will dumb her or straight up kill her. She has no crest herself and seeing how extremely rare crest babies are even between 2 parents bearing a crest, the chances of her producing another crest baby are minimal, the noble would dispose of her in 2 seconds and find someone else.

Because the combined forces of the Church and Faerghus are holding them at a stalemate. There isn’t a coup that rendered them completely impotent and they have a united front with a king actually on the throne

>Bernadetta acts like everyone is trying to kill or rape her in literally every single one of her C supports
2. Hubert and Felix.

and? The fact you think Crests are to blame is why you are a dumb ass Edeltard. This shit happens today, and it's just for money and power. Nothing to do with magic crests.

>It's more about how a large majority of the part 1 revolves around the kingdom and nothing else, maybe the empire a bit at the end of it.
No, it revolves mostly around the Sliterfags and Flame Emperor's Plans:
Map 1: Kostas employed by FE to kill Lords
Map 2: Continuation to Map 1 story
Map 3: House Battle
Map 4: Lonato pissed at Church, manipulated by Slitherfags.
Map 5: Mikhail pissed at the world.
Map 6: Slitherfags, through DK, kidnap Flayn.
Map 7: House Battle
Map 8: Fight Slitherfags at Remire Village
Map 9: Fight Slitherfag Monsters at Secret Chapel
Map 10: Fight Slighterfags to avenge your dad
Map 11: Fight Flame Emperor in the Tomb
Map 12: Fight Flame Emperor (or Church) at the Monastery

I really don't see how "the large majority" revolves around the kingdom and nothing else. At best you have two maps for Kingdom (and, as noted, neither Lontao nor especially Mikhail are doing anything to advance Kingdom interests or even care about their Kingdom affiliation anymore) out of twelve. The other maps are all Slitherfag or Empire (Flame Emperor) caused conflicts.

>As mentioned before, BL is the only house where characters actually interact with each other and have interconnected storylines asides from support convos.
This is blatantly false. Edelgard-Ferdinand, Edelgard-Hubert, Edelgard-Petra, Petra-Caspar, Raphael-Ignatz, Leonie-Jeralt, etc. all have backstories. Some of these even result in paralogues (like Raphael-Ignatz and, as you find out, Lorenz's dad).

In BE I think it's implied they see Byleth as a tool that can help Edel kill Rhea, which explains why Cordelia is all like "I was hoping we could've been friends instead" if you attack her, so it makes sense to wait a bit

Also Edel has the BESF to keep her on check at least for a while unlike in other routes were Hubert could easily tell her to say yes as long if it means he gets to study the shadewalkers more

>Playing BL first time
>Think that fishing and gardening take away activity points, so don't do it until like 5 months in, missing a fuckload of experience and essentially being 2 teacher levels behind.
>also think that counseling notes took AP, so I never touched them past their introductory sidequest because I didnt think 1 support up was worth 1 AP.
>This resulted in me only being able to recruit Bernadetta, Ignatz, Dorothea and Caspar
>Didn't know you couldn't recruit in part 2
>Ignatz for some reason had missed his support chance with several characters, so I never used him.

Now I'm playing BE and I'm trying to minmax everything to recruit as many people as possible. I expect to get at least Marianne, Lysithea and Leonie. Also probably Ash because it would be sad to see him die.

>Dimitri has a unique class and battalion
>Claude has a unique class and battalion
>Edelgard has a unique class and battalion
>Seteth has neither a unique class, nor a unique battalion
This is blatant route favoritism wtf.

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there's literally no point to recruiting so many characters user. The most you can deploy is 12 + 3 adjutants and unless you're playing in normal, you won't be able to max their supports

Post timeskip Ashe allies with Edelgard in deer and church route so its safe to assume whatever bullshit was fed to Lord Lonato was Hubert and Edelgard anti Church propoganda

No he would have a better chance of getting a crest baby by repeatedly impregnating his wife and who could say no to such a wonderful idea

Dragon boomer is so based he doesn't need it.

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Seteth gets a unique weapon and battalion through his paralogue.

He would have a better chance by fucking multiple women at the same time, since you know, women can only bear 1 pregnancy at the time.

You're still missing another keypoint: Dorothea has no crest. Any noble would be taking a HUGE risk marrying her. The chances of Dorothea producing a crest baby are minuscule.

Seteth isn't a lord. Silver Snow is the one route where don't have one and intentionally handicapped for it. It's for people who are seeking a challenge.

Because both BE and BL are a bunch of pretentious fucks the only bro house is GD

t. a literal fucking retard

>Playing with dubs

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I don't speak japanese, weeb. I bet you don't either.
But you do you man.

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I wish I could play with dubs.

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>missing out on chad claude and kino dimitri
your loss subfag

Both dubs don't even bother matching the mouthflaps. And the Jap dubs overreacts and over exaggerates, while the English dub is unemotional and more wooden.

I don't need to. I don't watch foreign media dubbed period, Japanese or otherwise. A good enough actor doesn't need to speak your language to get the point across.

Wait, so you listen to a language you don't understand?
How do you understand the story?

I thought we were brothers...

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>siding with the church
you deserved it

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I honestly couldn't stand everyone sucking Rhea's cock during GD. I just wanted to fuck up Edelgard and run shit my own way.

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Claude's better in JP. Listen to the scene where you rescue Rhea in both languages.

It'd be pretty fucking funny if Bernie was unable to sit down because chairs triggered her.

Have never tested it but does Casper have any unique dialogue with Randolph?

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He does.

youtu.be/nEoc96JJyQc?t=103