Why does Yea Forums support Gachas? It has every loot box mechanic in there

The flashy openings, the dailies that condition you to come back every day for more rolls. They’re all traps

So Azur Lane and Girls Frontline seem to have the best rep, which one should I try?

>come back every day for more rolls
Right, lootboxes.

because its okay with le based anime grills and japan doing it

But I only play girls' frontline

Yeah, and people will shit on loot boxes like in BF2 but won’t care about the same thing on mobile

>tranny talking about what's healthy and normal
>pay to get your dick chopped off
>tell yourself it's healthy and normal

Because nobody is overly attached to phone software. PC/console games are a hobby that gave people many memorable experiences, phone games are just something you do to pass time in public transit. Obviously the former is helt to a higher standard.

>lootboxes in a paid game vs a free game

Yeah I wonder why people would be more mad over one than the other.

but you dont have to pay for it to get anything good in gacha
just be a luck chad

It’s still the same lootbox gambling schtick, only it somehow becomes ok in a free product

People here eat any shit that comes from Japan.
If suddenly it were a big trend on anime and manga over there to push LGBT and kemono outside of designated fetish genres Yea Forums would embrace it and make sure to scream about how it's entirely different than the Western version.
As it already happens with kemono threads.

GFL, it has actual difficulty that stopped half its playerbase from completing their collab event.

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I want them to have their own containment board for fucks sake fate has like 3 different generals that push Every to page 10 in like ten minutes

Its genuinely really depressing seeing vidya fans convince themselves that paying 60 dollars plus tip for games is a healthy and normal mechanic

A free product needs to make money somehow and most of them are pretty generous that you can get what you want without paying a dime and still enjoy the little timewaster, hell the one I play has a pity system where you're guaranteed to get what you want after a certain number of rolls. Meanwhile in a full priced game its more like you're nickle and dimed for things that traditionally should have been normal in-game rewards and rolls come at a glacial pace. Its night and day, man.

haven't spent a dime and I've played like 4 gachas
also your twitter nobody is complaining about people that don't exist. judging by the date they're a masters newfag and should be promptly laughed at.

How P2W is FEH?

Yes, but that’s where the psych stuff comes from. You’re still getting conditioned, some of whom spend thousands m.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fxfuWhff0

Azul Lane is more about waifu collecting and later on the combat is mostly automated. GFL is the most fair gacha game I have seen and is more plot oriented than most.

if you want to rank high in the pvp modes it's absolutely p2w. the pvp modes are a trash mess nobody sane enjoys that revolve around overpowered ranged units. if you don't care about epeen, everything is clearable with free units. building characters is also pretty fun.

>Download gacha game
>Its free but has a turbo jewish system in place
>Purchase AAA $60 game
>Has turbo jewish systems in place despite the fact I already spent money on the game itself
Gee faggot I wonder why people aren't pissy about one thing but they are the other.

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The list

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Gacha games will never get me, I don't like cute girls.

I dont wanna PvP

What some other weak-willed loser blows their money on is no concern of mine, I've not spent a single cent and nor will I ever. Why you're mad about what other people do with their money in a system you're never going to participate in is beyond me.

Yea Forums supports whatever makes the most people mad in any thread at any given moment. It's all attention seeking shitposting.

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Reminder that gacha threads melt minds

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Only morons that whale on gacha will spend this much time complaining about what other people do with their time

>Epic 7
>stingy

List should be updated, you can be rolling in free summons and there's pity rates on every banner so you can get whatever you want now.

>Why does Yea Forums support Gachas?
Because post-election Yea Forums dumped a ton of zoomer girls and c*mbrains from Reddit. They are obsessed with traps and shitty franchises made by sjws.
The rest infested Yea Forums and slid down the shithole into Yea Forums over time. And weebs are brought up on the trash gacha mechanic.

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It's literally bad for the whole industry. No one would care if it was just you screwing yourself over with your bad spending habits, but what you're doing is influencing trends so that less good games get made, and more people go the lazy gacha route because faggots will eat it up.

Why do you keep spamming this thread with the same autistic twitter screencap

I whaled dokkan for more than 2 years and sold my account lately.

No regrets, I feel free now.

Nobody’s bothered making a new one, so we’re stuck with this bait list

then reroll on the hero fest banner for one of the focus units then start stockpiling orbs.

You get to play a game for free for years because whales in Japan and the US will spend exuberant amounts of cash for you. Playing gacha is the most based thing you could do, even more so than pirating

Depends on the game? That's like asking what mechanics there are in sports games.

Gacha's are for shit eating fucking gambling addicted orangutans. Fuck them, fuck Yea Forums, and fuck niggers.

>Why does Yea Forums support Gachas?
We don't.

i spent almost a grand on honkai impact. sucked me right into the paypig mentality, they even have special rewards for spending a certain amount, and the rewards keep going as long as you keep spending.

just such a waste of money, and it feels so scummy and manipulative. if a game is a 'service', in that it has events and constant updates and shit, i'm cool with paying a monthly fee, but selling ingame shit, whether it be cosmetics, weapons, xp boosters etc. is bullshit.

gatche are for subhuman incel with an iq of 80

that's why they are so popular here

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OP isn't trans

Tell that to the unironic gacha discussion threads that reach the bump limit

BASED AS FUCK

I recently unnistalled GO after realizing I just wasn't having fun with Type Moon stuff anymore and that I had been doing daily logins against my will for well over 4 or 5 months. I didn't even spend money on the game and I still feel like I was robbed.

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>b-b-but MUH ANIME .JPGs!!!!!
Yea Forumsfags are so cucked

>1k
Damn, what were you trying to roll for?

Because Yea Forums thinks it's literally okay if it's Japanese.

How do you know?

despite a core mechanic being literally gambling, they are still the highest quality mobile game you can find
pretty sure anyone could make the greatest mobile game right now without needing a high budget, but everyone would prefer to just make a fuckton of money off of it instead of doing so

look at that profile picture
at least 99% chance it's a tranny

Who actually defends gacha? I think even gacha fans hate gacha

I know I do. i just like insert whatever gacha franchise i'm playing

you're a retarded shit
there are games like baldur's gate on mobile and other good ports instead of your games for trannies

can't even remember, i don't play it anymore. i do remember at a certain point i was close to getting the next tier of rewards for spending x amount so i just kept buying.

honkai is a pretty great game for a mobile game. but it's not a good game because it is a gacha game.

no game has ever been made a better game by having a cash shop.

>ports
nobody plays a mobile port, they play the superior version on console/PC

The same could be said tenfold for video games and/or social media in general. Don't act smug and above it all just because you're drinking a slightly different poison than other people.

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You do know that "loot box" is not a lootbox mechanic. You've been agreeing with the OP this entire time. What are you even trying to prove?

Because if you boil it down by the numbers, people unironically spend more money in f2p games rather than a purchased one.
But don't take my word for it.

Not completely true.
FIFA whales are on par with FGO whales.

Though for the most part thats true, though its largely due to the fact that F2P games have more players in general.

If I was a retard with literally no self control, then maybe gacha would be the proverbial boogeyman for me too. Instead I enjoy playing games for free while I free-ride on the faggots that whale. Whats the downside?

>Dokkan
I'd probably agree if this was 2017/16 Dokkan but now Dokkan is really generous and gives out great free Units and a lot the newer non-Dokkanfest units are amazing in their own right. You get tons of stones and the powercreep has noticeably slowed down since Gogeta or lose meta. Guaranteed SSR was introduced for multis making every pull have at least something of worth. Extreme Z battles also make older units into unstoppable killing machines that Rival even modern units and they're given out for free with every major event.

Honkai Third Impact is pretty good

It's anecdotal for me at best since I know some people that tout that the game is "free to play" but have spent hundreds of dollars on in-game purchases which leads to me believe as to why AAA developers see it as a lucrative business models seeing as how mobages are succesful.

I will defend some gacha porn

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Nowhere dose this person indicate that there trans

How the fuck can a drawing of Valkyrie can tell a person gender? I swear this fucking board pisses me off sometimes

Use your brains for once

>use your brains for once
Ok

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>Paying money
>to emulate

And I thought Gacha fags were horrible with money.

I’ve played baldur’s gate and see no reason to play it again, on mobile or pc

This thread could have been made without the Twitter screenshot.

I have never paid for a gacha roll. I do, however, buy the music CDs and other physical goods.

You are still spending your time on gacha shit, that's the downside.

>but I enjoy it
The payfags use the same reasoning.

>you are wasting your time on things you enjoy
Nice bait, here’s a (you) and anime reaction image

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What about wasting money on things you enjoy? Isn't it the same?

The only people seething about gachas are the ones who want to spend money on them but too poor to do so.

You seem to have stumbled into the wrong board, friend. It looks like you wanted to type in reddit.com, but accidentally ended up on Yea Forums.

i spent 450 dollars on a gacha game this weekend and didnt get what i wanted. Even with this much expendable income it still feels bad. The game is fun though so meh. At least there's a pity system in place.

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I don’t care about how other people spend their money user.

Or the apparent moralfags who care too much about other peoples’ money

God its fucking sad how easy these fucks are to pick out of a twitter lineup.

I guess you are not the person who called people who spend money gacha retards and lacking self control.

>it's genuinely really depressing

Imagine being this much of a low-life.

I got Yufine on my first roll.

Using your money to feel superior to your peers is what everyone does.
The only difference is whatever you're spending it on cars or expensive smartphones, or gems and cute animu cards.
Nothing about it is weird or abnormal.

wtf i love gacha now

>i spent 450 dollars on a gacha game this weekend and didnt get what i wanted
Imagine being this genuinely pathetic. You are a piece of dirt in the boot of "game" developers who don't even give a rat's ass about the "games" they make. Your life is as a toilet that pays them to shit into it, then calls them daddy and asks for more. Literal snake-oil salesmen in the 1800s went to bed dreaming of idiots as gullible as you.

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Read the original post again, it says retards are the ones that are scared of gacha because they lack self-control

The difference is you're not fucking gaining anything from gacha apart from an gambling addiction

The logical inconsistency of saying that spending money is bad but spending time is fine is still there. The poster thinks he is getting some sort of a bargain.

btfo

Yea Forums is hypocritical when it comes to nips.

>Because nobody is overly attached to phone software
Nigger FGO is raking in BILLIONS. Gacha games are ludicrously popular.

Another seething poorfag thread.

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Lots of people spend money on it like they do on many other trivialties. I seriously fucking doubt anyone who currently plays FGO will have fond memories of it in 10 years. It's not actually "important" to anybody, it just knows how to make money.

Gachas are one of the most degenerate things on this earth but I respect the hustle. They make millions off people for a CHANCE at anime tiddie jpegs. I just wish I can draw good anime tiddies, slap some rpg shit in there and rake in the money too.

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You think the whales spending thousands on those shit games are just going to forget about it? The biggest spenders are obsessive weebs with disposable income.
And no, they're not all multimillionaires that make $500 every time they breathe. A lost of them are just regular losers with normal jobs.

Why not play gacha games with actual hentai instead of just softcore shit?

>u jelly lmao
Poor people are only mad when they see fancy cars, houses, and other things they actually want. No one except other cum-guzzling gachafags is seething at people who spent $10k on worthless jpgs.

I've never touched a gacha and i never will.

If anything people who actually have money would know that throwing it away via fixed gacha is idiotic.

literally only ok when japan does it

Literal drug addict coping mechanism

Agreed, pic related. :)

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Reminder that these people think gacha stands for got ya! They know nothing about what they're criticizing and are just looking to control how people spend their money.

Jokes on you, I got her when I was f2p within first week of play. First 5 star after Ken.
Topkek. I am filthy user. Keep going.

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got gachabrain lads, just spent $250, didn't even get my favorite anime girl

>and are just looking to control how people spend their money
Don't worry, Got cha is already doing that for you.

What the fuck even is gacha and why is it called that? Everytime I hear the term I think of gay sex

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I'm having fun with Masters, but its light on content.

Gotchabrains

>twitter screen cap thread
YIKES

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Cope, poorfags.

>Everytime I hear the term I think of gay sex
It basically is.

It's a reference to gachapon, Japanese collectible capsule toys that work pretty much the same way.

Gacha is the Japanese word for lootboxes. It comes from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gashapon

Delete this picture, no one knows what it even means.

why do trannies dislike gacha so much?
is it because its japanese?

Cunnny

Like?

I play both Love Live and MagiReco f2p and have never spent money on either, it's perfectly possibly to enjoy the games without forking over money for currency, I've never felt the urge to buy currency anyway, it always kinda ruins the fun if you can just pay to win it's more satisfying to save and get lucky rather than just waste money.

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>gacha causes blueballs
>blueballs cause porn
this is the only advantageous aspect of gacha

>playing a gacha for years
>never spent money
>one day buy a huge gem pack for $60
>spend my new currency immediately
>get literally zero new things, all my money gave me literally nothing
>have a realization about how huge of a retard I am for playing this garbage
>write a sob ticket to google support talking about how my "son" spent our last money without permission and can I please have a refund, promise it will never happen again
>get the refund approved within an hour
>uninstall the game
and I don't even feel the urge to come back to that shit despite years of time investment. gacha is a fucking disease

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I rather spend money on waifus than 3DPD

Anime and weebs are BAD

Honestly, if you got more hours of fun from the game then a $60 AAA release, I can justify spending that on gatcba. The only issue is it's a slippery slope, so I would rather not risk it

if disney made some tranny gacha, they would love it

Maybe now you can fuck off

Not very. Unless your a comp fag who likes seeing your rank being visually higher than other people, then yeah, the pvp modes are actually filled with whales with units that either have so much offense that they can kill you with one hit and 3 different debuffs applyed to them, or so much defense you literally can't touch them.

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What the fuck is gacha?
I have never ever heard this fucking word in my 32 years of being alive and over 13 years of visiting this miserable website but now within the last week alone I see it literally everywhere all the fucking time. What the fuck is happening? I'm starting to believe I'm really living in a simulation and the devs just patched in a new word recently.

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A fool and his money are easily parted. Nothing new.

>retards getting scammed by some japs
nothing wrong with that

>Tranny children getting tricked by Jews to cut their dicks off
Nothing wrong with that

Or the people who don't want to see that shit in their video games but are forced to do so because sheeple will pay even their share of them.

I hope that the Magireco anime will follow the canon power rankings

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Because Yea Forums is the worst board and the people with an IQ above 60 were massively replaced since the 2016 election.

Phone games where you pay exorbitant sums of real money for .jpeg files of "waifus"

Yea Forums doesn't play video games. A lot of people here are depressed doomers who are growing out of games. Gacha/mobile shit is a perfect fit for them

>no Mami sin Cabeza

>.jpeg
Doesn't that mean they're shared all over the internet for free already?
How do they prevent piracy from fucking their business over?

>post yfw you've never fallen for the gacha meme

>PIRATING IS BAD
>STOP HURTING MY MEGACORPORATION
>[insert company name] IS BASED, I LOVE OVERPRICED HARDWARE AND PHYSICAL DLC

yeah there's no saving it.

It stands for Gachapon, and comes from those little capsule machines where you put in a few bucks and get a random cheap toy.

When most people talk about Gacha they're talking about mobile games like Fire Emblem Heroes or Final Fantasy Brave Exvius, where there's some very basic gameplay and you level up/collect different characters by paying for loot boxes.

Gacha is only gambling if there is an official way to sell the items revived for a profit. I dont see how loot boxes are any more of a threat to childern than pokemon card booster packs or vending machines that give a mystery prize. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

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Why do trannies love anime?

Why isn't felicia queen of the goblins?

People have always brought this up in regard to TCGs, from back in the 90s when MTG and Pokemon first started to catch on.

That being said: because TCGs -- at the time -- mostly ran through brick & mortar shops there were limits on how much people could buy at a time, in fact at the height of those games most shops had pretty firm policies about this just to avoid running out of inventory. (They made a bigger margin serving as pawn brokers for individual cards and selling merch than they did on the boosters, so repeat business was more important than cleaning out their "whales".) And even not considering the business incentives, there was a lot more room for individual conscience to rein in the most exploitative practices.

That's ultimately why nothing was done to regulate TCGs, even though something should have been done.

Since lootboxes are a direct sales situation, though, with no human mediating the exchange, and TCG companies make no profit from the secondary market, legal regulations are the only route by which exploitative practices can be reined in. That's why you see so many more people getting harmed here and why people are so much louder about having them regulated.

correct, it is, in fact, worse than gambling, as you're throwing away money for something that has zero actual value

Because of anime girls and the fact that, unlike western game companies, the japs keep the microtransaction lootbox/gacha bullshit almost entirely contained to mobile gaming and don't implement it in their traditional games on consoles and PC.

That being said, Gacha is literally just playing slots and I suggest you do something more beneficial like watch Kinder Egg Surprise videos on Youtube, they fill the same desire.

Also this.

Imagine if the cartels made a gacha game and then moved money that way among themselves

could be easy as fuck to do and no one would ever catch you

>tfw Shadowverse
>so much free shit and you can just craft the cards you don't open

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It should be of no surprise that Yea Forums will support even the most garbage of games if they can jerk off to it.

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user you absolute bootyblasted faggot
It says in its profile that it's trans

there's so many flawless/foolproof ways to launder money you don't even need to get that complicated.

>try to play SMT DX2
>It's shit and trying to be more Persona than it does SMT
>Try playing Pokemon Masters
>Nickel-and-diming retards after that first 1000 is spent
>Try Elder Scrolls Blades for some unexplained reason
>It's even worse than I could imagine
>Only game I've had fun with is Water Pail Fetcher because you literally don't do shit but fetch pails
Well I'm officially done with mobile gaming.

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They already do this with the steam marketplace and gift cards.

How the fuck are these fun? You legit have to have a gaming/gambling addiction to drop cash on these.

Downloaded Dokkan last week and it's just a spastic game designed to overload your senses.

Then I gave FE a shot and it's a much more chill but just as boring game that they even have an auto-battle system.

What is it that's fun about this? There's no uniqueness, all heroes are the same across accounts, you can't trade, you spam missions then wait for stamina to come back and repeat ad nauseum. You are competing against yourself.

Is it that the games try to give you a sense of achievement when you finally pull something you want? I'm either turning into a cynical cunt or I'm just not with the times anymore.

>Is it that the games try to give you a sense of achievement when you finally pull something you want?
Basically.

They're virtual slot machines, except game companies don't have to pay out real money instead of anime jpegs.

no your thinking is absolutely right.

Judging from the list on , you played some of the lower tiered ones.

they're all the same. the entire point of the business model is to guide you into spending money on worthless shit. some being more/less gentle about this doesn't change anything.

Because it's a free to play mobile game. I don't hold them to the same expectations at all. With a game I pay money for I have some expectation that I will own the game, if it's a "live service" I obviously don't own the game I just bought permission to play it. But with a free to play mobile game I have no expectation to own the game. Why would I hold it to the same expectations?

thats very flawed thinking because ultimatley those mobile games jew a hundred times harder than most retail games.

that 60$ entry barrier for a retail game is actually nothing at all for gacha shit. I played some FF game that had 35$ rolls which wouldnt even give you the unit you want. its insane.

Sucks to be you lol

Pic

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>paying for gacha
Why would i do that when i have luck?

You don't, you tell yourself you do as a pure coping mechanism for your addiction.

Usually they're the same people who constantly post softcore and lewd images and go into a frothing rage when anyone suggests that tits shouldn't be the primary focus of video games. These people have no self control and will blindly follow anything that has waifus and lewd.

Please explain the addiction user.

I fixed your image.

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Dokkan is nowhere near p2w

ITT: lucklets seethe

>i only use free currency and always get all the units i want
>NOOO YOU DON'T HAVE LUCK IT'S A LIIIIIE
Cope.

Because you don't have to buy a lootbox in something you didn't pay money for, the majority of content is there for you to try for free. If you bought something you don't expect more of the content to be locked behind a paywall and bull shit rng you incorrigible faggot. It's a complete difference in expectations when money has already been exchanged. If I pay for a service or product I expect it in it's entirety. If I didn't pay for it then whatever the money hungry piece of shit game developer decides to doesn't matter to me because any of that content that is locked behind gambling mechanics is not even affecting me. When you try to apply the gambling to some shit I already paid for you're crossing the line because now you're expecting me to pay FOR THE PRODUCT AND ALSO GAMBLE FOR SHIT THAT SHOULD BE A PART OF THE PRODUCT. Fuck you, you stupid wall licking cocksucker.

Gacha has been normal for as long as randomly generated loot has. Remember when they added runes to Diablo 2?

Shitty .jpegs =/= content

if you get a "free" game you will have to spend several magnitudes more to get anything worthwhile.
you fell for the f2p meme.

Please explain user.

Yeah except Diablo 2 had gameplay.

Even if it's free you're wasting your time on a literal skinner box far worse than any video game and deserve to be ridiculed for it

>far worse than ANY video game
That's a big stretch there user. Also if i'm enjoying my time spent, its not wasted.

You just don't buy those shitty jpegs you retard. You just play the fucking game and stop caring about your ego. What is the games mechanic and win conditions? That's the content you cock gobbler.
Stop wasting money on shit. if it's a timewasting garbage game that's all it is. "Worthwhile" means you give a fuck about the garbage within it. If those idiots want to spend their money on garbage that's fine so long as it's constrained to their small circle of influence in shitty free games. Keep that shit out of games in which you pay for the product.

there is no keeping it out of games where you pay for the product because game companies actually pull development resources from real games to create gacha garbage.
its potentially even more harmful because those games make so much more than retail+lootbox games even.

>gatcha retards defend paying thousands of dollars on anime girl pngs

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Nobody here spends thousands on gachas user.

I've seen screencaps that say otherwise

someone spent $1300 for some saber gatcha and it wasn't even the one he wanted

Stopping people from using money to influence a power fantasy setting with other individuals is impossible user, especially when people will cater to that exact desire. If there is a market demand for something as stupid as throwing away thousands of dollars away a week/month then someone with more money than sense will do that. That's just an unfortunate truth of the leverage of money and a weak will coupled with a desire to excel even in something as inconsequential as a game about anime waifus. What you want to stop is something that would entail not ever allowing people with money to feel entitled or empowered. You would have to kill everyone with money that spends it in a frivolous manner to keep it from ruining our hobby. Which quite frankly is fucking impossible. I don't like this shit as much as you seem to not like it. I just want someone to provide these retards a place to do so that won't bleed into what I like as much.

user, are you fucking retarded? If the gacha game is more succesful, they don't funnel out resources. They CANCEL everything that isn´t mobile games. Because why in the fucking bloody hell would you spend 5-6 years and an astronomical amount of money on AAA shit when you can just make a mobile game. And if they do, they probably weren't going to make good games.
And I just know
I just fucking KNOW
That you'll probably ignore the opposite of what you proposed, like Cygames using gbf money to get into the console business.
Because that doesn't fit your narrrative.

Then that's retarded, let him spend it. it'll be funding for additional doujins

Mass Effect Andromeda is more mentally stimulating than gachashit lmao.

its not impossible, we are really close to lootbox bans :^)

Some addict will open 5000 boxes, packs, or whatever and I don't have to pay a penny to the company running the game. No monthly fee, no 200 dollar game disguised as a 60 dollar one because of DLC. The game updates with is basically free dlc (plus doujins) and I don't have to be a moral fag paying more money to protect some retard from boxes.

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>Because that doesn't fit your narrrative.
or maybe because its far from the norm to see something like that.

For paid games. Which is different from gachashit. Like I said, removing that bullshit from things in which we pay for the product in it's entirety. We paid for Diablo 2 as a game, farming runes in game was something that fell to RNG but it was without paying for it more than the initial price. Once again confirming my point in the difference and why it should be enforced. You should understand that by now in our back and forth.

>game
Jpegs aren't games lmao.

japan.
weeaboos are mentally ill.

Andromeda's not even that terrible of a game user. I'd rather pick some gachas than any sports game today, any walking sim, or MG survive.

farming based on RNG is entirely different from buying based on RNG. its veeery different.

and I dont see how lootbox laws wouldnt also hit f2p gacha shit. its the same.

What about unpaid gacha?

>they're not games because I don't like them

I've never paid real money on gacha. I played Duel Links, which gives "gems" pretty frequently. I also play Venus Vacation, in which one can simply mod in the costumes or lack thereof a la nude mods to the heart's content.

They're not games because they're not games retard.

DokkanCHADS where you at? Those 300M download threads were comfy

Gacha is more braindead than all of those lmao.

Please explain how this isn't a game user. youtube.com/watch?v=2fbrSFW3gLo

gacha is shit but it doesnt mean western trash is better

then you just choose what you like

I think the law for lootboxes is going to be tailored to target specifically games in which you pay for because most of those games will have to present that information forward especially in regards to rating systems. The law is to protect minors from exploitation. So a game with those shit mechanics will have to be provided a rating that puts them into the territory of adults thus limiting the legal ramifications on game companies that use those tactics. That'll curb a lot of the potential problems and will probably be aimed more at paid for games if we can be honest with one another here. Mobile games are probably going to skirt the issue because they can claim that they are for adults only without the need for an ESRB rating. If you want my opinion on it that is how it'll probably play out.

As for whether RNG from buying and farming is the same, I agree that they are fundamentally different just that you still have used the mechanics of luck in both with one having been paid for the use of those mechanics in full without additional payment. I still think lootboxes and gacha are gambling bullshit because it's taking another random RNG mechanic which you throw money at it instead of using an in game mechanic of time for effort instead of money for reward.

>implying walking sims require any kind of brainpower
What?

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Do you know shocking truth? People can play both gacha and video games. That's why you can see gacha threads in Yea Forums. Hard concept to swallow especially if you're underage discord kid.

i'm not spending for a free product user.

Looks like gacha very well disguised as a game.

The main difference is that you can actually TRADE them and are encouraged to do so unlike in Gacha games.

Tell that to the gacha accounts with limited characters i've sold

Because you don't have to pay 60$ to play them. Gachas are how F2P economies work. There's nothing wrong with them so long as they stay the fuck out of the games that I am paying full price for.

I don't think it's healthy and normal, I think it's garbage. But it's basically the only way to get new Fate content now, so fuck me I guess.

And that action was discouraged through bans because they don't allow account selling.

Holy shit the defense squad here.
Absolutely pathetic.

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b-but muh qt anime waifus... its okay because japan does it...

Gacha mechanics are fine if you use virtual currency earned by playing the game.

I'm guessing what you don't see here is the hours of gambling you have to do in order to get units capable of passing this level

Nah nigga thats pol. Blame everything on the jews

That's whats called the "endgame" user, by that point you've should've already leveled up units to do it.

>if you dislike gacha it means you're a poorfag

What's the logic behind this

It’s Japanese. Yea Forums has largely weeb taste and does not hesitate to suck Nihongo dick at a moment’s notice

Coping mechanism

Same logic as calling gameplay "not-gameplay"

You guys sound like you think everyone playing gacha games play to spend money on them.

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you're either wasting your money or your time

Why is that "wasting time" thing even a point in these threads? Might as well not play any vidya then.

because the gameplay loop of a gacha game is designed to be progressively time consuming in order to validate the artificial valuation of the gacha currency.

Thats an MMO loop user, tons of people play that too.

Every discussion about which gacha game is the best usually comes down to a discussion about which game has better drop rates. Despite this, how come gachafags can't see what a shitty mechanic the gacha system is?

and?

As long as you have fun and feel satisfied it's a time well spent.

False.

Trading cards games like pokemon and yugioh were different how?

explain

>spending time having fun is time wasted
Ok retard

You aren't enjoying the grind, you're enjoying the anticipation for the reward for the grind. In MMOs the grind gets progressively longer. In gacha games not only does the grind get longer, the chance the grind will have a meaningful reward gets progressively lower.

MMOs also manipulate community formations. Gacha games are solo-play.

>stop having artificial fun

I've played Girls Frontline for the last 5 months but honestly since I started I spend less on vidya than before. I don't mind gacha elements when it's just related to costumes and shit. I've made enough currency from S ranking missions to buy more squad room to the point where I don't even know what I would spend real money on except cosmetics.

I hear other gacha is a lot more exploitative but GFL is about all my experience with it. So I guess I support it because I don't feel jewed and I enjoy collecting cute anime girls like pokemon

>its fun but not fun
Someone post the "nu-fun" picture for this guy

Yes, stop allowing yourself to be manipulated by skinnerbox principals.

I see you have no argument.

And thats having fun in the long run to get that ebic MMO gear or Destiny 2 rare drop. I still see that as time meaningfully spent.

Why did they have to make this map so ridiculously hard? All the maps after that are a cake walk in comparison

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I got so damn lucky on that map. I had to redeploy a bait squad to lure that stupid gundam up north several times. Every map after that felt like a walk in the park

You are a part of that 16%, right user?

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Meant for

Says the living being.

ITT: all gachas and mmos are nu-fun

wow, that's a really nice way to say nothing.

The meaningful factor being the answer to the question "If I was not grinding towards a possible reward, would I do this for it's own sake?"

I dunno.
Do you live just to live user?

I’m not even that user you were arguing with. I’m just giving that other user the pic he wanted

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Yes.

Prove it.

the only good gacha is an original real-life physical gacha machine.
All these digital shits and lootboxes are for retards

I've played tons of gatcha games and have a pretty nice Dokkan Battle account.

I've never spent a single cent on any of these games.

and that matters why?

I haven't killed myself yet.

I can do what I want with my money! I am also supporting the company therefore extending the lifespan of the game. We literally get a new update every week or two. $40 for a skin? No. You also get two gacha pulls.

Ah so by that logic doing anything self-validates itself.
You played yourself.
Good day sir!

>when the gachafag degenerates into total incoherence in desperation to defend his behaviors

All gacha games are supported by a tiny number of extremely rich whales who regularly spend hundreds of dollars a day on games. You're mad that there are a tiny number of people who spend retarded amounts of money on a video game, and that's kinda stupid when you look at it that way.

I see you have no argument.

Yea Forums isn't one person

nonsense can be dismissed without acknowledgement

quick reminder that gacha threads melt minds

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Sure, label it nonsense.
I'm not here to convince you of anything anyways.

Yea Forums is a schizo tranny that regularly has dreams of wanting to kill xerself.

>do you enjoy living
>yes
>prove it
>I haven't killed myself
>OH OH OH YOU SEE YOU HAVE JUST STATED THAT EVERYTHING IS SELF-VALIDATION!!

yes, this is nonsense.

>literal findommed cuck tier
Paying gacha
>literal cuck tier
Playing gacha
>literally based tier
Not playing gacha and just fapping at the porn

You’re not having fun, you’re just trying to get the reward that’s at the end of the grind

Wrong.
I asked whether you live JUST to live.
Not whether you enjoy living.
There is a key difference here.
Please get your quotes right.

>Dude I play for free lol I'm just letting the stupid whales pay for me so I get to enjoy this free game lmao
Gachas aren't games, they are psychological traps. You're literally smug about falling for a predatory skinner box specifically designed to suck you in and waste your time, because you're not also giving up money. Only the time you could have spent on genuine and worthwhile experiences.

>skinner box
>psychological trap
Says the living being.

>implying any experience isnt genuine
>worthwhile
Purely in the experience of the liver my dear user.

In short, you said a lot of nothing.
But please do keep firing blanks.
You seem to enjoy it.

I can’t believe the nigger Jannies would let gacha threads stay up on Yea Forums

how do you know I'm not having genuine and worthwhile experience? can you read my mind?

It's better than having a modern woman as your gf.
>that doesn't mean it's good
I know, but if a low self-esteem loser is going to blow cash on a woman in a futile attempt to cure the feelz, it's less harmful to him if she's 2D

Because there's no gameplay other than pulling the lever on the slot machine. It's the same 'experience' of a druggie when they're high.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZIXWYeRcxBw
does this not look like a game?

According to anons, that’s a gacha CLEVERLY disguised as a game

It makes you mad.
And that makes me amused.

I've never understood why they make sure that you know they're trans. Isn't the idea that you want to been seen as the other sex? It's kinda like saying
>Im a girl (But not really tho lol)

Because if they give me the option between get paid to fuck a tranny, or lose money in a jpg waifu, I'd would choose the jpg a millions times.
In a sanity scale, a jpg is more sane that fucking a disgusting tranny and that fact makes trannies sheete.

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See

You know what I don't like. Middle age politicians making laws about something they don't understand. People being stupid is why gachas are successful, never forget that.

It’s pretty easy to see that gachas offer absolutely nothing in terms of valuable experience.

They're free and not 60 bucks.

Videogames in general are not healthy and exist to steal your money

Cute machine gun

>no being f2p
really faggots?

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Shut up kike

SV is in the odd spot where it's F2P enough that even retards can craft the tier 1 cancer deck every goddamn time, amplifying a shit meta. It's even worse when a cheap deck like Mysteria Rune or Ambush Sword comes up.

i play gacha but even i can't defend that shit

Have you seen gacha generals on /vg/? It has the same posters from this thread, and there they confess that they claim being F2P despite having spent over $1k at minimum.

what do you think of this outfit, Yea Forums?
guess how much for everything on-screen. it wasn't that much

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>1k minimum
FGO, right?

Dude who rarely browses Yea Forums here. Gachas are easily the bottom of the barrel of gaming. I don't see why any waifufag would play it when they have fucking doujinshi of the characters. I guess being official makes it better.
I do tolerate "original" gachashit like Azur Lane and KanColle, though. Them not being the destruction of good franchises (I'm looking at you, FGO and MagiReco) makes me not as disgusted because they are, from the beginning to the end, made just for cute pngs and actually fair on their system (from what I know).

If the game is free to download, then there's nothing wrong with microtransactions and the various things like it.
The people who made the game have to make money somehow, and if you don't like it, don't play it/spend anything on it.

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>literal who makes a twitter post
>HEY Yea Forums DID YOU SEE THIS AMAZING POST ON TWITTER THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE JUST ME SHILLING MY OWN TWITTER LIKE A FAGGOT TO GET SOME ATTENTION BECAUSE LITERALLY ALL I HAVE GOING FOR MY LIFE IS SOCIAL MEDIA

Just kill yourself please, for all our sakes.

How much of a boomer does it make me if I honestly have zero clue what gacha is?

gacha is proving you don't actually need to make games to make money. just slot machines with no prizes of any actual value.

You didn’t answer my question. Are rhythm games not games to you?
Yes, I actually play rhythm games for the fun of it. Is that impossible to believe?

>tranny
>hates waifu collectors

Like clockwork.

The onyl thing good about Go was the waifu/husbando bait. I personally believe it ruined Fate as a series and Type Moon as a company.

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> I actually play rhythm games for the fun of it. Is that impossible to believe?
yes

Reminder that gachabrains and orientals are insects, not humans.

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What game has free gacha that is good?

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>Implying you can't derive fun from rhythm games

imagine if, suddenly, you could no longer land any hits on a rhythm game. would you keep playing it?

personally, i can't play any other phone games except rhythm games. i don't even have my emulator on my phone anymore

Funny thing is, if that user said that he was drawing or did literally anything else that wasn't gacha the faggot in the screen cap would have just shat on him for that

Now you’re being deluded

Yeah, because it means I just have to git gud

wow, thank you user
I will stop playing rhythm games altogether because a random stranger told me it was fake fun

>horse armor
What happened?

the reality is you don't actually enjoy rhythm games. you enjoy being told you did good/great/perfect in response to something that you did, that took practice. Its literally a false/filler experience for actually developing a skill.

If suddenly you could never get those little dopamine surges, you wouldn't keep playing.

What’s the difference between guitar hero and another rhythm game?

>People fucking pay out the ass for a random chance of getting a fucking png of an anime girl
>This is a fucking genre of mobile games

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Gachas are not game and there is no such thing as a good gacha.

nothing

Feh Al dokkan sdorica gfl, those are the ones I see people recommend

I honestly resent pointless time wasting mechanics more than requiring actual payment to get things.
Though if the game makes me choose one or the other i just quit.
Why isn't there a non-gacha gacha where i can just pay the full price of a game and get fucking everything?

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Gachafags are this generations slot machine boomers
The low level of IQ required to be able to be unaware of how stupid it is to just sit there for literal hours watching a randomized animation for a quick dopamine boost every few minutes just to lose it all at the end of the day. The inablitly to rationalize your thoughts and have the self control to stop doing something so stupid, pointless, and unrewarding. Holy shit imagine being this retarded. Gachafags are worse than slot machine boomers.

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its called a digital artbook you retard.

you could say the same thing for fighting games, shmup
what games are actually real fun?

of course gacha is not a game, but gacha can be part of game. YGO games with packs can be considered free gacha.

going by this dude, he only finds these kinds of game fun

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no, you really couldn't say the same thing for non-rhythm games.

this is fucking retarded. Rhythm games, fighting games and other games like them are the only games that dont trick people into enjoying them with skinnerbox bullshit.

gachas are shit but i dont really get why some people like you hate it so much. its still niche in the west, and most of them are weebs.

i dont think western gachas are so popular or mainstream that it can harm console business and the video game industry

>Al
What this an acronym for?

and now we're back to

I don't hate them i just dont understand why people could willingly participate in a skinnerbox of the highest caliber.
I used to play games like borderlands or diablo until i realized how artificial the enjoyment of those games are. You aren't getting better with more time playing, you are just getting weapons with higher numbers that make you think you are getting better but in reality nothing has changed.
I could get Borderlands 3 and would probably play 100 hours of it but I can't know this and willingly play it, even if i would enjoy it.

I get pretty dresses!

all videogames are just skinnerbox of the highest caliber. you are better off learning a real world skill than playing video games.

Some people just love the skinnerbox method of doing the same thing ad infinitum. Look at MMO players and fighting game players

You literally can you single digit iq retard.
If you are playing a multiplayer fps and you only get enjoyment when you get kills by your logic you only enjoy the game because the ingame scoreboard has a higher number on it.
>Imagine being this retarded

Yes, and?

Azur lane

t. never played a good gacha game

there is no such thing

There’s an anti gacha nigger trying to suck the fun out of every game mode out there and it’s making me want to try one out. Recommend me a gacha to play please

have sex

>I don't hate them i just dont understand why people could willingly participate in a skinnerbox of the highest caliber.
Easy, i do it while doing something else, watching a video, a stream, etc. Literally takes 0% of my time most of the time while giving me fun and satisfaction.

>gacha
>play
pick one

So you just have shitty taste in """games"""?

Playing a game with gacha mechanics

the only good gacha game to play is gacha game with no PVP

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I like ffbe.

Starlight Stage.

this

>its a gachafag trying to claim literally every game is gacha

I will keep playing Alice Gear Aegis and buying its model kits and you can't stop me

It's still stingy. Also note that it only feels like "free" because of the anniv.

GFL

Gimme names please

BASÉ

except the content in the ""free game"" can cost more than fucking $60 dollars. That is a model specifically made to suck every ounce of money from their consumers. It being free is a shitty legal loophole to deceive the system. It needs to be put in check.

Girls Frontline and Azur Lane are the only good gachas, because their pay model is behind skins and not the actual gacha.
Rates and currency are easy to obtain, they're a good combination of common, rare and super rares to collect that are cute.
/v likes to hate on them because "IT'S A CHINK GAME!" and "SEANIGGERS" Nevermind that the chink pay model is working better than fucking gooks and nips.

Alright that's IT.

>that's IT
????

>download gacha r34
>already have everything the games have to offer without even having to install or play them

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It's a fad. Another victim badge. The few who might sincerely want to pass as another gender are vastly outnumbered by those chasing attention.
Besides, they invariably get found out and have to fall back on that victim status when people won't play pretend with them.
>I need special privileges because Chad won't fuck me

Girls Frontline, Fate Grand Order

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They word "only" triggers me.

Anyone who spend more than $60 dollars on a game is goddamn fucking subhuman idiot. They are mentally ill monkeys that no longer have any say and rights. Everyone should get a free pass to break these subhumans limbs to stop them from throwing away their money and keep pumping to these fucking corporations.

what kind of poor ass cardboard box do you live in?

So its basically Overwatch monitization?

Is girls frontline fun?
Everyone's been shilling it lately

nope, its shit, but at least it has no PVP

It requires actual IQ points to do the later maps

...

a rich person wouldn't be stupid enough to get tricked into gacha shit. whales comes from the middle class waggies who has no other source of pleasure in life.

FFBE had one fun as fuck system, shame its stingy as fuck and the grind is nuts

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what kind of poor-ass cardboard box do you live in?

lmao seething poorfags

Wrong question. Right question is; is it fun? The answer to that is no, and that's all you need to know.

What grind? It doesn't even take a week to get a new account maxed out, especially lately with all the free shit they've given out, and Cactuars rain from the skies now. The only trick is beating things for Gear, which is also easier now. The main story, maybe

This. Japan can do no wrong.

Because I'm a gambling addict what can I say?

how is this a question? haven't you retards noticed the clear pattern here? Yea Forums will defend two things:

1) legitimately good games

2) absolutely irredeemable pieces of hot garbage that have sexy anime waifus in it

This is a total gold standard, you can't find a single active thread on Yea Forums that doesn't apply to one of these two categories

First Post Worst Post.

Time has value you dumb fucker.

Does Yea Forums enjoy idle games? What are the best ones?

nah

And its always being spent.

nobody can force me to spend to spend my free time but me alone. And I choose to play video games

Yea Forums has been lacking in 1)

Trimps, Kittens, Realm Grinder

Gimmicky stuff is always fun for a short while. Like The Perfect Tower, and several other ones like the bouncy ball one or whatever.

you could at least play the good ones

gacha is 2019 social darwinism. Why would you want to get rid of it?

>Time has value
No it doesn't. You can't decide what you actually do with it. Americans that say this are so indoctrinated into their capitalist society.

The moment microtransactions can impact game mechanics and win conditions is the moment the game is compromised and not worth playing.

If a game is genuinely garbage and not worth spending money then I don't waste my time with it. The only good f2p games are the ones with no microtransactions and ones I would buy if they were sold for money.

I'm sorry explain?

>You can't decide what you actually do with your time

what

I met a man who was so excited he made $600 and then I asked him how much he put in and he said $1500. Didn't register.

I wish it wasn't so fucking easy to tell just based on their stupid cartoon avatars, god dammit.

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I will continue to beat the fuck out of my meat to the endless parade of doujins these festering piles of garbage spit out, but one of their disgusting slot machines will never disgrace my phone.

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bro I had to GRIND for this image of a generic Bandori girl in a Santa costume that I could easily find on the internet

There hasn't been a good game released since 2010

>mfw I reverse image searched your pic
These fuckers handle the mummified corpses barehanded in plain clothes

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ITT: Gachafag rationalization

>draph cucks are secondaries
every fucking time

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>He can't pick out the subhumans by avatar alone

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If you are gonna be a gacha loser at least be honest and just play Destiny Child to masturbate

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...

At least you're honest about it

Calling what GFL has "difficulty" is disingenuous since what matters most in this game is just grinding. It's not that it's actually a challenge to complete the content in GFL, it's that you have to have a certain level of power and to not be a brainlet and pay attention so you can make decent team comps. It was more than likely temporally impossible for many players to complete this event due to not having enough time in the day to grind. And don't say "just macro" because not only do they ban people for that, not everyone is going to want to do that for a fucking phone game.

>Spending money to pre-game a fap
Not me, Not ever.

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yes

>boosting their player count
>seeing their advertisements
>not supporting them

Man needs love, we are social animals
When man does not get love or affection they start getting desperate and start looking for love or affection from other men
When that doesn't work they start to look for love and affection in inanimate objects and forms of art
But man will eventually wake up to the hollow one sided love a piece of art or inanimate object can bring and kill him self out of dispare.
Gachas take advantage of these kinds of men.

There are plenty of ways to make money off free to play games without employing the worst type of microtransactions
>if you don't like it, don't play/buy it
not an argument

If lootboxes were outlawed tomorrow there isn't a single thing of value that would be lost from it.

M.O.E IS THE BEST GACHA

>not just playing for free and grinding for everything
There is not a single gacha I've played where I haven't reached endgame without spending a cent.
If your immediate assumption is that everyone who plays gacha spends money on them, it's because you're projecting what you would do if you were playing them. It's your personal problem. Just git gud and you don't have to pay.

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>i get all the units I want and conveniently I don't want any of the units I can't get
That sounds like more of a cope than anything else

Every gacha I've played was for less than a week without spending any money
Just coom and you won't be a slave to your dopamine receptors

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better yet just stop playing shit games to begin with

>saving 75,000 jewels for starlight stage
>over half a year to save 43,000
i have a lot of unclaimed jewels, so i hope get to it by christmas time because they are suspected to release the first ever outfit for a character i like around then. it's going to be special

You live in a capitalist society too.
I can tell because you have access to the internet.

>playing a mindless grindfest in the first place

Anyone who pays even a modicum of attention to how gacha makes their money knows the majority of the revenue comes from a minority of the playerbase. Also the implication that gacha is a skill-based genre that you "git gud" at is absolutely laughable.

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>puzzle and dragons
>not skill based
retard detected

>p&d
>representative of the average gacha
Yeah it's you. You are genuinely retarded if you think a single series that is literally p2w means the genre as a whole is skill based.

>never have played a cacha game
>have at least a gig of porn from all the various games

I like them to honest, they create a lot of good jerk off bait characters

Funny how you know more about what i want than i, thanks for telling me.
Yes, i always get the units i want, because i only roll on banners i want, meaning i always have a lot of currency and tickets to get what i want, be it from the rolls or from the other systems the games have that basically guarantee you will get what you want if you roll enough.
If you were not talking about shit you have no knowledge about you would know that it's very possible, not hard at all and the way any other free player plays. So, who's coping? Me, having fun, not wasting money and not getting frustrated about something i know nothing about or people that think they know anything about what they are talking about and getting mad at people for having fun?

Nice cope.

Have sex.

Why would you need sex when gacha fucks you after every pull you make

I can tell you're really trying hard to be clever here, but it doesn't work if the other person is telling YOU to do it.

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I’m sorry man I didn’t mean to upset you so bad

Everyone here plays some kind of gacha or mobile game on the side. The shitposts just happen here because of the massive seethe it produces.

Speak for yourself shiteating cunt.

>playing mobile games
I just watch youtube

>when gacha fucks you after every pull you make
Let me say it again, i always get what i want, for free.

>Everyone here plays some kind of gacha or mobile game on the side.
a simple mobile game maybe like a infinite runner game but not everyone is degenerate enough to play gacha.

I'll happily admit to having spent some money on gacha in the past, never again though, it really just isn't worth it. I can never recommend anyone spend, but at the end of the day it's your money.

>why does Yea Forums do fucking anything
because anime waifus. You losers are like goldfish, you just jump at the newest shiniest anime pics and start funding paychecks.
2 nukes weren't enough

Yeah, I play temple run on the side. What do you have?

Conveniently what you want is limited to what you get.

we're reaching slave morality levels of cope

I couldn't care less, but there is a pretty clear difference between playing just any mobile game and playing a mobile game that's pay to win and/or engineered from the ground up to siphon an uncapped amount of money from players on random pulls. Some kid playing minecraft or fortinte or whatever on their phone is not in the same category as the kid rolling on banners and trying to convince themselves they're getting what they want.

Also because there's this shitposter who goes around /vg/ and this guy posts similarly. There are a few of them and one of them admitted the he does it because he has depression and wants to drag everyone down. They might or might not play the games.

I can't wait until p2w becomes normalized and part of every mainstream game on console and PC. We're already at the point where microtransactions are in every new multiplayer game.

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Now THIS is a massive cope.

No, it's not, i just know how these games work and do it correctly, like any other free player do.
>save currency and tickets
>wait for banners you want
>take advantage of the bonuses for pulling a lot
It's not hard. You fuckers sound like old people in the 90s telling kids to not install games on the family pc because they have viruses, you heard someone saying that something is true and now you parrot i around.

Nobody is getting dragged except gachafags, which they deserve.

This, while I do play and enjoy FGO, that doesnt mean I can reasonably defend how scummy the practice of gacha is and how it feeds off of weak impluse.

It already is normalized.

Look at a game like Star Citizen. Retards will swear up and down that buying a $2K star destroyer is perfectly balanced, and that because everybody can obtain one "eventually", that it's perfectly fine. But if you confront them on this they will adamantly refuse this and try to play semantics games. Despite LITERALLY SUPPORTING THE SAME SHIT they refuse to acknowledge. This doublethink is real and extends to all P2W games.

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Star Citizen is the worst example you could have used for normalization of monetization practices. Most games aren't selling $2k virtual ships/boosts/etc while the game is still in production and hasn't released.

Yes it is. Also you're just kidding yourself if you think every other free player is pulling what they want.

>It's not hard. You fuckers sound like old people in the 90s telling kids to not install games on the family pc because they have viruses, you heard someone saying that something is true and now you parrot i around.

Imagine being so delusional that you think boomer tech illiteracy is comparable to shitting on games that are literally designed to entice people to spend money on pulls. You've convinced yourself nobody can criticize gachas from an informed position because you are deluded.

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I know user, my point is that it still happens even in the most egregious circumstances. P2W is more pervasive than it was ten years ago. And it's a damn crying shame.

It's relatively more common but not the point where you can say it's normalized like general microtransactions in almost every mainstream multiplayer game released nowadays.

I have a girlfriend a large circle of friends but also like cute anime girls.

>difficulty
No thats called a 10k grind wall you need to get over with 11k+ echelon

>those stats
Glad I didn't install this kusoge just becuase of the collab and decided to pass on it instead. I already bother with 2 of them and I feel 3 would be too much anyway.

impressively dumb post

and day before
and day before that
and even 5 hours ago
For people that "hate" gachas, you sure as hell love bumping the threads whenever they show up

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>from an informed position
What informed position? It's obvious most of those people talking shit have never touched a fair gacha game because if they had they would know how many free shit you get and how many bonuses you get that basically guarantee you'll get what you want from a banner.

This is a gacha thread after all.

How dare anybody criticize gachas in a thread dedicated to why Yea Forums supports gachas

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>It's obvious most of those people talking shit have never touched a fair gacha game
It's obvious that you're severely deluded as you actually believe this. You're no different than the fags who defend regular p2w games by claiming you can take advantage of free xp boosts to catch up to paying players. You're a mark.

>never bothered to set up any google pay shit.
Then be careful, because nowadays you can do payments for Google and Apple stores, etc... through your phone carrier and get the charges on the phone bill.
Be sure to deactivate that option. I got billed for Youtube Premium once and sure as hell Google didn't have my credit card. Fucking jews.

If thats all you can say you must be new here, thats fine, but please don't stay up for too long, you have school in the morning

It's funny how Yea Forums shits on Star Citizen for selling jpegs when gacha games do the same exact thing. There's really no defense to it.

It has been normalized like that. We're now at the point where a full generation of idiots have grown up knowing nothing but F2P garbage and p2w cash shops. You can find thousands of stories detailing kids getting a hold of their parent's CC and using them to keep pulling levers in Bejeweled or whatever.

Star Citizen doesn't have anime tiddies. Pretty big difference.

Most non-mobile games don't have p2w cash shops. Almost every massively popular f2p game has cosmetic only microtransactions. Shit like what you see in Star Citizen haven't been normalized

you must have a fucked up sense of scale if you think ships costing thousands of dollars and microtransactions that barely add up to a price of a new game are anywhere near the same plane of existence

That's the best you could come up with? Also it's already 7am here retard.

name me a better game that has as much or more
replayability and isn't a shitty port of a superior game from another console/PC

I like gachas.

You spend too much time here.

>microtransactions that barely add up to a price of a new game

youtu.be/z-fxfuWhff0

gamer weebs

Gachas aren't in perpetual early access and Star Citzen doesn't sell ships based on RNG. I don't how you think the two are even remotely the same beyond having microtransactions.

I play gachas, i know those bonuses exist and i take advantage of them to get what i want, it's not delusion, it's a fact, you would know that if you played them but you obviously don't so try to come up with an argument that's not "no u".

>We're now at the point where a full generation of idiots have grown up knowing nothing but F2P garbage and p2w cash shops
Alright stop, what year do you think this is? Because this state has been a thing for close to 15 years now at the very least, the only difference being that it changed from F2P mmo games to F2P mobile games, if you want to screech now then its pretty fucking late

mobile ports of superior games on console/pc are better than every single gacha in existence.

i play them while i poop
it's pretty alright and if you poop once a day like me you save up enough daily stuff to pull something if you really want it

>it's not delusion, it's a fact, you would know that if you played them

t. delusional retard

>FGO
No comment there, thats brain damage, if you spend thta much you actually need to get personal with a noose
>Shitposters are yuropoors
Actually makes sense, well hurry up or you'll be late for class

>Because this state has been a thing for close to 15 years now at the very least
That was literally why I used it as an example to make a point.

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Based gacha paypigs funding azur lane doujins for me
I've never even played the fucking game

"you haven't even played them you don't know what you're talking about!" is not an argument or a fact.

You're basically 5-10 years behind the Korean gacha market. When every wageslave in Korea was spending their moneys in gacha shit, you were babies.

Where is the Korean game market today? Utter shit.

People who play gacha games more than as something to do while going from A to B and actually sit there playing it as a proper game are autistic. No normal person does this.

People who play gacha games and always "get what they want" are autistic.

My argument is, it's not hard to get what you want from a banner if the game is fair and you know what you're doing and i know that because i play them, you argument is that it's a lie but you don't play them so how would you know?

>criticizing gachas in a thread about criticizing gachas is shitposting
You should've stayed in school.

Do you think p2w needs to be a majority in non-mobile games to be normalized in the minds of consumers, user? Do you think that the amount of money spent matters more than the act of spending money at all? Shut up nerd.

How do you explain the same shit happening in every single other thread then, cause most of the time its people trying to have a discussion

>How do you explain people criticizing and defending gacha in every other single thread about gacha in general
Like I said, should've stayed in school.

>kisekisymphony
I see this bitch everywhere, she has nice art but a terrible personality.

Which brings us back to my original argument, that for someone who hates gachas, you sure love bumping the threads and making them more visible each time, or did you forget about that part

>Do you think p2w needs to be a majority in non-mobile games to be normalized
That's what normalized means. Unless you think we're talking about normalization in mobile games, which is explicitly not what the original post is about. Go eat rocks, you illiterate.

Did you forget the part that this entire thread is based on criticizing gachas and asking why Yea Forums supports them in the first place.

You really should've stayed in school.

Your argument is retarded because it ignores why those banners exist in the first place (protip: it's not to make the game "fair") and because it boils down to "you don't play it so you can't say it's bad!" which is the most generic empty stock fanboy defense on the internet.

So whenever I bring up other threads you are just going to default into talking about this one, because you dont have any argument. Ok retard

I'm on box 400 in Nerofest.

What about you?

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Anyone else here a complete chad who plays gacha without paying a dime?

Forgot to mention that almost 99% of the people in her friend group are trans, plus the fact you see her bitching about the SWSH designs once you scroll down a bit.

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So what gachas are the least aggregious?

And so another gacha thread reaches the bump limit. Now all good things must come to an end, and the seethe must recede for now. See you all later in the next Gacha/mobile games thread! Happy trails everyone!

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I wasn't responding to one
>So whenever I bring up other threads you are just going to default into talking about this one,
>How do you explain the same shit happening in every single other thread

Ok retard

You should've kept your post deleted.

>That's what normalized means
No, it doesn't. A majority plays no part in that definition, only that it's a standard practice within the industry to create games with those features, which is absolutely true. Slam your hand in a car door for being so fucking stupid.

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>waaaaah why are people making fun of gachas in a thread about making fun of gacha players
Ok retard

Why are you bumping threads where people discuss the gacha they play with your shitposting if you hate gachas?
I worded it in a way that even a moron like you should understand

>waaaah criticizing gachas in a thread dedicated to criticizing gachas is shitposting. how dare anyone criticize gachas people play on Yea Forums
Ok moron

And your argument is retarded because you're obviously talking about something you have no knowledge about. But it's Yea Forums, talking about games you don't play is what we do best.

I feel sorry for your parents

>only that it's a standard practice within the industry to create games with those features, which is absolutely true.
No it isn't you fucking retard. The original post explicitly refers to consoles and PC and your go to examples of it being normalized were Star Citizen, an unreleased game that charges thousands of dollars for non-existent spaceships, and popular mobile games, half of which don't have p2w shops. You're too stupid to use this website.

What if his MU from playing gacha is higher than or equal to your MU from posting on Yea Forums or doing whatever you seem to think is better than playing gacha?

Again with the "you don't play it so you can't say it's bad!" stock fanboy argument? You gachaniggers have actual shit for brains.

weak

Again with the "just because you play the game it doesn't you have more knowledge about it them me, the person that don't play the game". The most retarded argument ever.

>your go to examples of it being normalized were Star Citizen
It was an example for the sake of rhetoric you pretentious fucking mongoloid, and to make a point of how it's also culturally accepted. Seriously, jump out a fucking window the next time you have an unwarranted sense of self importance.

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Should have gone for the abortion after all, what a shame

u mad?

>you never even played it!
Really? Again?

You're not very convincing when you're pulling that 15 year old copycat bullshit, kid.

Look how impotently you flail when left to your own devices.

What's the matter? Scared you'll change your mind if you played it? Bet you got no self comtrol if that's the case.

>i play the game, i know how it works
Is a better argument than
>i don't play the game, i know how it works
Because one makes sense, the other doesn't.

I literally called you out on your generic non-argument and you predictably continue to repeat it while trying to "no u" your way out of the argument. You're extremely pathetic.