Steam finally makes its first move

Another reminder that the guy running Steam Spy works for Epic and has outright admitted using his service to target games to poach.

I cant find exactly when this rule was changed, but it wont be applied retroactively. If Remedy setup their steamworks application 3-4 months ago, Control is out of the new rules.

Is this rule being applied to already existing game or to ones that come after?

There is literally no reason to buy games from the epic store. The buyer gets no benefits. Imagine seeing a commercial for any product whose selling point is "we get more money".

>its afraid
tim is getting there, fuck kikes and fuck jewben

Only games after
We should see the results in some 6 months

Steam lives inside EGS shill's head 24/7 rent-free, this is at least the 4th thread he got BTFO

But Epic is breaking the monopoly. They're the best thing that could happen to PC gaming at the moment. More pro-consumer than 'le 33% face' Gaben.

Well, I am sure that in six months EGS will have all the features it is missing compared to Steam.

OHONONONO LOOK AT HIS HEAD

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It's been mine months since they launched and they've made ZERO progress in store features.

>Gaben spent almost a year without even caring about Tim
>After one year, it casually swats tim away and it nearly destroys EGS system with little to no effort.

If he was afraid, he would have done it and multiple more changes months ago, and would be marketing it. Instead he just silently changed a few lines of text.

not really. as far as i know you can't buy egs games from other stores so it's kind of closed system with no benefits to the user.
all other shitty launchers allow you to buy games from anywhere.

>nearly destroys EGS system with little to no effort.
well this is a cope, its the opposite jimbo :)

>Steam
>GoG
>GMG
>Twitch storefront
>Origin
>Uplay
>Battle.Net
>Monopoly

EGS is the ONLY one who has exclusivity clauses for third party game. THEY are the ones trying to create a monopoly, not break one. Open your fucking eyes.

>arguing with a shitposter desperate for attention

>Can only buy some games on Epic
>This is not a monopoly
And before you go "b-but Sekiro/Monster Hunter/etc", those companies are free to sell their game anywhere they wish.

well egs is the only real competition right now based retard, you cant fight against steam without helping out devs and luring them to you

>finally makes its first move

This has been a part of the agreement for well over half a year now

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I like how you completely ignored my point instead of trying to reply to it, and went back to your scripted responses.

Contracts are not retroactive

Good. Fuck you, egs chinks. Kys while u can

Steam has a large playerbase, moreso than Epic.

They also recently abandoned their roadmap estimates after they failed to meet every single target.

That seems totally reasonable to me, why allow EGS games to leech off of Steam to promote their products? It only makes sense for Valve to do this.

at this point they're doing it on purpose just to get free advertisement

So basically anyone who is using Steam to collect data on the viability of a EGS buyout is going to be in breach of contract if they go through with it?
This is pretty devastating, desu. The big publishers will still be able to hire outside analytic firms, but the indies just got their pants pulled down and cornholed dry by gaben's glorious cock

>scripted responses.
you expected anything else from chink shills?

Chink shills don't actually know English. They just have a set of canned responses to use at all times. You can learn their playbook by heart if you hang around the shill threads long enough.

Why are u afraid, chinky chonk?

I've always been indiferent to steam, but epic shills make me puke
hope they fucking choke and die in their greed, I really do

God, mutts are retarded.

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You can't argue with EGS shills/shitposters user. There's tons of launchers on PC, nevermind the xbox app where there's more competitive deals than the EGS at this point.

>make steam page for your game before it comes out
>steam bans your game
what then?

holy fucking cope just kys you got btfo

no basically you're literally, and I do mean literally, retarded

Wait, which company was that?

console have the same cut tho?

I’d stab egs shill irl if I knew one. They’re just hiding coward beta male cucks irl tho so its impossible

Kamu, company making Easy Anti-Cheat.

That's general retailer cut, plus it comes with a fuckton of features. Plus devs are free to sell keys on their own. It's more than reasonable.

How the fuck do you even interpret OP as
>So basically anyone who is using Steam to collect data
There is no data collect, there is free marketing

Makes sense

Devs are free to sell steam keys on other sites. How do you think games can have a 10-15% discount at launch on humble/fanatical/GMG?

It's for the best honestly. Trying to get free marketing on a service you are not providing the product to is shifty at a minimum. And most of the glaring issues with epic could be forgiven if the "launching service" was even remotely capable of being called that. If you have to co-opt a game developer like Pitchford to fix parts of your net code I can't expect them to be competent enough to do much of anything.

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Are you saying that there aren't developers out there who used a Steam store page to track if it would be financially benefitial for them to take a 1 year exclusivity deal elsewhere, based on the number of people who put the game on their wishlist and the number of hits to their store page?

This happens extremely often, if you push them hard enough they'll start screeching at you in broken English similar to a pajeet.

Read, nigger

As long as you release your game in 30 days period after you released it everywhere else on PC then you are cool, if not then you are booted out of the store if I understood it correctly
Seems entirely reasonable if you ask me

watch as the chink is repelled by FACTS and LOGIC

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Is that what that first paragraph really means? it says there that "Company shall submit the Applications to Steam for release no later than the first commercial release of each Application or Localized Version"
Doesn't this mean that if you had a game which was released outside of Steam, you can't get your game onto Steam?

t. economic retard

>booted out
More like destroyed in court for breach of contract.

>make a steam page
>release game outside of steam
>must also release the game on steam at the same time or face the music

Good fuck those Jew devs

What? Steam doesn't do that. You can make a page for your unreleased game whenever you want, you just cannot release it on another store before Steam. If your game is already released somewhere else but has no Steam page, then you have to release it on Steam within 30 days of making the page. Unreleased games which come to Steam day 1 are literally unaffected by this.

>GDC
AKA literally who devs that sell one copy of their game a month.

>They're the best thing that could happen to PC gaming at the moment
How does Epic's store benefit the consumer?

Retailer cut is higher. That's the standard cut for digital retailers.

By forcing Valve's hand.

Yeah I'm thinking they're based.

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The only thing I hate more than americans are disgusting gook bugs

>valve adds one paragraph of legalese
>sounds of burning hives can be heard in the distance

Forced them to do what, exactly? Implement some common sense rules to stop people from fucking them over? I'll ask again: How does the EPIC STORE benefit consumers? Because it appears to me they have piss poor security despite running the most popular game at the moment, no features, and no lower price for customers despite taking less of a cut.

Yes I can read the OP. "Application" is the game itself right? It says in that bit I quoted that you have to send your game to Steam before it's released anywhere else?

yup Winnie the Pooh isnt gonna take over our games. He can shove his Epic Games straight up his chink ass.

So where's my cheaper games? Because all I'm seeing are traditionally-priced games being locked behind a shitty launcher I don't want to install

>I'll ask again: How does the EPIC STORE benefit consumers?
It fucking doesn't. If it did, they wouldn't have to bait people in with exclusives. You know this is the truth and I'm sure you also know the garbage you're talking to will never admit it.

>Origin forces Valve to have better refund policy
>GOG takes away some sales of retro games
EGS have not forced Valve's hand in any way.

all it means you can't do timed exclusives anymore if you set up a steam page for your game

BASED GABE

>devs are fraudulent shits
>steam responds accordingly

wtf i love steam now

>evading the question already
just shows how weak your thought process is.

>webstores selling STEAM keys
woowie

Read the second sentence, jesus.
>Company shall submit the Applications to Steam for release no later than the first commercial release of each Application or Localized Version
If the game isnt release yet, the steam version must come out at the same time as whatever the first PC version of the game also releases.
>or if already commercially released as of the of the effective date, within 30 days of the effective date.
Or if the game was already released previously, the game must come out in 30 days after the creation of the steam page

I don't see the issue. Why should the competition be allowed to use Steam's services instead of setting up their own store the right way?

Where in the paragraph does it mention the Store page?

>It says in that bit I quoted that you have to send your game to Steam before it's released anywhere else
If you have a steam page, you have to release the steam version at the same time as you release any other version.

Oh the "effective date" means creation of the page, alright.

And? Valve doesn't get a cut

>Valve feels threatened and sees its demise in the near future
>Eventually gets so fucking desperate they finally release Half Life 3

Yes, yes... Keep piling on the pressure..

Use your fucking head. If the game has no steam page then none of these rules apply to it.

Its gonna take a lot of time user, desperation is when they make a smaller cut, so far they just added some text to the document

why can't you people do anything but regurgitate the same old autistic phrase again and again?

Storepage is just a easy to understand term
Its as soon as you make a deal with the Steamworks API
The steamworks API covers:
>Storepage
>Achievements
>Community Forums
>Sales and pricing API
>Version update API
And much much more
But for us, the users, having a storepage is the telltale sign that they have a deal with Steamworks. In the backstage there is even more stuff the publisher can have after signing the contract with steam but before making a storepage, but we dont have access to that.

Do retards really believe this?

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nice goalpost moving

I can't believe zoomers are this stupid. I literally can't believe it. It's like you don't know how to read.

Again, not the creation of the page, but the date of the moment you sign up for Steamworks, which implies you will create a page and do a lot of other stuff.

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so is anything actually gonna happen because of this

>valve has the monopoly on providing servers for users to download their games from
oh no

That makes sense

Perhaps less indie and AAA devs will take the Epic exclusivity deal as if they DO take it their game will not be sold in Steam

you can be assured that if a game has a steam page it'll release on steam without any timed exclusivity bullshit.

How is this bad for steam? It stops the people who con steam into giving them forums and then moving over to epic after they take their bribe.
It also means Epic can't snipe up games that have been slated for steam anymore.
If anything this is nothing but a negative for Epic.

how does gaben's cum taste like?

Shitposters are thinking that Volvo responding at all means Epic is winning

>i do think steams 30% cut is generally unreasonable
Explain why do you think that's unreasonable? Jeff Vogel has been making and selling games longer than a majority of people in the industry. Stream's 30% covers the entire payment process, from refunds, transaction disputes and chargebacks. Distribution is handled by them so he doesn't have to ever worry again about bandwidth or outages on his part. That comes along with general distribution so no need to constantly remember to send the keys and software to clients. Speaking of clients, he doesn't even have to deal with them directly anymore, that's all done via Steam's customer support. Steam also gives him his own store page and forums for ALL of his games. This is the business side of making games, and Steam has managed to automate that process for everyone. Publishing games as an indie developer has never been cheaper or easier, yet you believe that all these services provided don't warrant a cut for Steam? And it's not just Stram that ask for 30%. Other services have adopted the standard Steam has set up. GOG, PSN, XBL Marketplace, Nintendo eShop, they all ask for 30%. Hell, the patching and distribution of games is a process that requires the platformer to review and an additional charge in consoles. That shit is free on Steam.

What do you think these services deserve then? If you think they deserve less, then guess what! Steam even gives you that option too! Generate keys and sell them directly from your site. You'll get your bugger cut that way. Consumers have the option to pay for games even cheaper than the retail price if they want to by going to key resellers.
Indie devs have it easy these days. They can focus strictly on the game making portion and release it. Problem is, they're so coddled by today's environment that they don't put in a single bit of thought or effort in the business & marketing side. They think Steam should handle that for them as well, & on top of them, ask for LESS!

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There are still a few games that have steam pages, but have time exclusivity on epic. Shenmue 3, and Rune 2 are a couple of them. We will see what happens, but they will probably get their pages pulled. They have already burned bridges with their fans.

They're still going to take the deal, but they won't have any clue how well the game could have done on steam, and they'll have to rely solely on epic for meaningful marketing

Decent idea.
I would have just deleted all the epic exclusives from steam, and then ignored them after the exclusivity ran out.

if you look at other "self-publishing" industries (like Amazon with books) 30% is normal
it just turns out publishing companies universally gouge out their customers in most industries

It's not bad, shit posters just trying to stir shit up, fact is that more then one sec has abused what they are fixing with this,i.e putting their game up for months on steam for publicity then yanki g it away last second for epic money and it's completely expected that steam would do something about it, this isn't even them acting against epic it's just them not letting themselves get abused.

Maybe, maybe not, they can still release it on steam later, but they must not make a Steam page then, not to mention that doing so means they get cut off from the biggest store for PC games

These people are literal mouth breathing bottom of the barrel retards user. Even if you literally mapped everything out for them they'll just ignore whatever conflicts with their worldview and continue gobbling dick.

hell yeah. FUCK leeching devs and FUCK twitter.

Valve should just delete any store pages for games that went Epic exclusive. They can make new pages when they are ready to release on Steam

good

Russian hacks.

Yeah but that's way too much, Valve is just letting Epic fuck itself up. Going all toddler tantrum "we don't want your game anymore" wouldn't help them and would actually only potentially hurt them, but by just sorta saying "eh, okay we will be here when you change your mind" shows that they aren't threatened, AND let's people choose to wait for games to come to steam and show devs that a sale is still better then not a sale.

>More pro-consumer than 'le 33% face' Gaben

Why doesn't Timmy just have all the same games as Steam but just make them 30% cheaper for players? Then loads of people would move over to Epic.
Epic literally hates consumers so much that even when they're spraying hundreds of millions up the wall in subsidy to force their store they still manage to make not a single pence of that translate into an advantage or saving for players

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How will Epic ever recover?

good post, too bad it will be lost in shitpost land

Because Epic doesn't have the power to tell developers and publishers that they will sell their games at a lower price.
They tried this once before with a sell that they didn't tell the details of. Most of the publishers got pissed and pulled their games from the store.

They'll get their proper store soon....ish! Y-you'll just watch!

>murr shills
There are no shills involved. Notice how we never say anything positive about Epic or their store. It's because we fucking hate Valve and want them to pay for being complete shitheads. Epic is just a means to an end, and you can expect us to stop mentioning Epic forever once Valve has been thoroughly eradicated.

I'm sure greedy publishers/devs will not make steam pages. and wait for the epic buy out. and if it doesn't happen. make last min steam page to sell game on steam.
River City Girls came out recently and they didn't make a store page until it released.

And they will get game developers to make it for them. Like with Gearbox and pre-loads.

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>Valve is some kind of Yugioh duelist who can pull an in-production game up to people’s expectation out of their ass
HL3 is to video games what the Loch Ness monster was to Scotland

Don't worry, I'm stealing it just in case this subject ever comes up again

Yes. It's quite pathetic.

Epic Store is dead before it even started. It will never have the community aspect of Steam where you look at what your friends are playing and posting screenshots of, and then maybe go and browse a bit and look at what the game is.
You need at least 500 games on your store to make that viable and there's no way in hell its economically sustainable to have that many games when every single dev has to be paid off with fat stacks of money.

Sure you can poach some big game every now and then, but then it's just like Origin with the occasional big EA game. The store is just a glorified launcher for people who go over to play Battlefield. Nobody is actually ever going to 'move over'

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Crowdfunded shit is going to have to be explicit about where they release, especially if they have a Steam page.

But this only applies to unreleased games with Steam store pages. Basically if your game has a Steam page and it releases two days from now, Tim can’t scoop you up tomorrow without you getting sued by Valve.

It would be funny if Tim reacted by saying he would fund any settlement with Valve

But user, according to Tim, they are already a proper and complete storefront! They dont need more silly functions

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I applaud your efforts, but it's not like that it would make much a difference in a place like this. Maybe a condensed version on twitter, but not this cesspool.

Yo mate, you got a license foh pirating that post?

Epic are going to keep bribing people until the cash flow stops. With Fortnite, they have all the money in the world to burn.

They got pissed because Epic didn't inform them their games would be on sale until after the fact.

If you're such a desperate carbon copy consumerist nerd that you need digital card trading to use a digital store, you're probably better off staying on Steam with the rest of the tranny friendhoarders.

A pity Steam isn't that powerful, I would blacklist the shit out of these assholes.

No one here unironically thinks egs is good. You have to be insecure zoomer or really dumb nigger to think its somehow better than steam.

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What about shopping cart?

Card trading is shit, but forums would be nice

t. bugman

what the hell is a friendhoarder?

THATS SILLY user!

Add random people to the friendlists like pokemon

You should read about the Chinese Room

Jeez just how many times did GabeN take a dump in your cornflakes for you to get that angry at them

If you genuinely believe only real way to compete is to moneyhat 3rd party games for exclusivity then you are condoning a future where Valve also moneyhats 3rd party games making them exclusive to Steam. Epic isn't providing any incentive to Valve to improve Steam in any way other than buying exclusives, and EGS doesn't "help" devs beyond paying them money upfront for exclusivity before their game releases.

Pay what?

If Valve is forced to spend money to moneyhat 3rd party games, they will be forced to make video games to make up for the costs. That has only positive outcomes.

shut up fucking slanteye

Steam also gives developers proper dedicated servers for free, workshop, matchmaking / lobby servers on top of free storage and all that shit.

>There are no shills involved. Notice how we never say anything positive about Epic or their store.

But that's a fucking lie. And Epic isn't going to "eradicate" Valve or make them "pay" for anything, all you are doing is encouraging Valve to also start paying devs for timed exclusivity.

>now Steam wont accept people making steam pages for their games pre-release, getting free marketing, forums and even pre-sales, then pulling out at the last moment to migrate to epic
Nice but I still want my Asagi game Volvo

>i do think steams 30% cut is generally unreasonable.
Do you think the same for Sony, Micro and Nintendo?

Valve hasn't even acknowledged EGS' existence, much less done anything in response to them.

>all you are doing is encouraging Valve to also start paying devs for timed exclusivity.
That would be a win, since Valve would irreversibly destroy their own reputation forever if they did that. Not even Half-Life 3 would save them.

Your positive outcome is wishful thinking at best.

Steam and the marketplace makes more money for Valve than making games ever did. Anyone who thinks "Epic will force Valve to make games again!" is severely delusional.

They're not direct competition :^)

No other store does this. I remember Wargroove for example had a page on GOG and I just looked it up and it's STILL not released. But I mean Steam is obviously more popular so they have the leverage to do something like this. It makes sense that they'd want to fight back against Epic exclusives and this seems like a reasonable way to do it

Strange because Sony thinks Valve it's main competitor

>If you think they deserve less, then guess what! Steam even gives you that option too! Generate keys and sell them directly from your site. You'll get your bugger cut that way. Consumers have the option to pay for games even cheaper than the retail price if they want to by going to key resellers.

Basically this. No one is forcing you to pay the 30% cut to Steam. The fact you FEEL like the 30% is mandatory is proof that what Steam is providing (exposure, hosting, etc) is invaluable.

Learn how to read

Alright hold on, why Valve of all things? Shouldn't it be Microsoft since they are competitors in console market?

>You can make a page for your unreleased game whenever you want, you just cannot release it on another store before Steam.
You can, but if you do release it elsewhere before Steam, it has to be on Steam within 30 days. No more "Steam next year :^)" garbage.

Who the fuck is retarded enough to buy a Xbox, there's a reason why Iceborne is coming 5 months later

>Epic thinks they're forcing people to use Steam + Epic
>I've just switched to Steam + Piracy

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Well at least acknowledge them

get fucked indie trash devs

now those sub humans can't even cry about Steam because they literally don't exist to begin with and on Epic nobody will ever know you exist

And was drafted in the first place to keep EA the fuck out, if I'm remembering right. Hell, there's several ToCs that were drafted purely because of EA's predatory and parasitic publishing.

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To be fair, that's been happening a lot, and Epic has been using Steam itself to coach new games before they are released.

THIRTY. PERCENT.
LET THAT SINK IN

THIRTY MOTHERFUCKING PERCENT. HOW IS THAT LEGAL?

learn how to stay behind your great firewall dog eater

Good for Steam, finally recognizing they're irrelevant.

Please consult

retard

Stupid question but can Steam actually track every game releasing on another platform ?

Your right, we should go back to the 60%-70% standard before Valve came along and helped drop it.

Discord used to have a 10% cut when it still had a digital game store. So how come Timmy wasn't ever shilling for Discord?

Here, let me put it simple for you:
I dont give a SINGLE FLYING FUCK if the devs get 99% of the profits or 1%
I only care about MY OWN experience with the product, and nothing else, and the EGS experience sucks

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fuck steam

Old news

No?

yes because journos are creaming themselves over games leaving steam for epic so they write tons of articles about it

post this spastic the image where Sweeny moves all expenses to the consumer because the 12% is not sustainable.
You fucking nigger paid for anything in your life and most likely not on Epic because you would triple dare to hit the checkout button if a game costs 90€ instead of 60. Kill yourself.

Shut up, entitled gamer

If BL3 doesnt cause a major influx of players to EGS, it will die.

30% is fucking nothing in the long run, now fuck off to grad school and learn something useful

Your spite fueled reasoning is delusional. Epic hasn't irreversibly destroyed their reputation by paying for timed exclusivity, despite the fact their storefront is in much worse shape and they're nearly a decade and a half late to the PC distribution game.

You can't have it both ways. Either PC paid exclusivity is the only real way to compete, which means Valve will resort to buying exclusives, OR buying third party exclusivity irreversibly destroys your reputation and therefore Epic isn't viably competing with Steam. The moment Valve starts paying third party devs for timed excluding is the moment paying for timed exclusivity becomes normalized for almost every other large PC distributor, and we already know Valve has invested more into PC digital distribution than any other company including Epic.

its actually thirteen percent

Aren't most BL player tend to be consolefags?

EGS has like only about 50 games, and only a few of those are exclusives
No other storefront does the bait and switch epic goes.
A single intern can handle it.

Not really but they can certainly hear about it from journos, lets not kid ourselves, this rule was made in response to Epic buying out exclusives

You're beyond retarded

A) prove this is new
b) this has nothing to do with epic

Good. Fuck those assholes that change to Epic exclusives at the last second despite advertising as a Steam game during crowd funding. That shit is scummy and low and they should never get away with it.

Anyone in this thread that says this is somehow a bad thing is either an idiot who doesn't understand what this means or is a paid Epic shill.

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>i do think steams 30% cut is generally unreasonable.

heres my beef with that statement, back when retail was more prevalent, we were told devs/publishers were getting less than 50% of the revenue from game sales, due to manufacturing and retail stores taking their cut

many saw steam as a solution, giving them 70% of the profit from games sales, that seemed reasonable to me

now these same devs are telling me 30% is unreasonable, what gives? what changed between then and now?

and dont get me wrong i dont mind devs getting more cash, but to call the 30% unfair or unreasonable seems absurd to me given at one point people saw them as a big improvement from retail

plus its not like valve doesnt invest that money back into making steam a generally pleasant storefront and application

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EGS is already dying. There's a reason they dont moneyhat big multiplayer stuff. Everyone would see that the game just doesn't have players

based Gabe dabbing on chinko*ds even though chinks were just doing the same thing they always: lie, cheat, steal

is it racist to stop chinks from acting on their nature?

An intern can do this job when a publisher ask Valve to open a store page for their product, a quick google search can find out if that product is going on another platform aswell

>Steam wont accept people making steam pages for their games pre-release, getting free marketing, forums and even pre-sales
seems like common sense to me , what's the problem with this ?

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Prices of games aren't changing...

Insectoids and human trash devs/publisher like Silver Trash are seething and they are loud too

I know, but it's still kicking slightly. If BL3 doesn't kickstart it again, it wil 100% die. If BL3 does cause a huge influx, it might still die but not necessarily. It's possible survival hinges on BL3 is what I'm trying to say.

There is no problem with that. Protecting assets and removing liabilities is just good business etiquette. Epicdrones however will say this is bad regardless.

Yep, this is something they've hoped we forgot. Devs are getting greedy. Loot boxes and dlc aren't enough, so now they think that they can get brownie Twitter points with epic. Fuck their shit. I'd rather pirate or not play their crap.

better than the 1mb/s at the epic store

at least on steam i can get my overlords jizz faster

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lmao who the fuck cares about consoles

You got BTFO hold the L

BL3 is just something at the most I'll be waiting for to move to Steam or another platform. I'm not buying it on epic at least and I'm definitely waiting until it's on sale because I also dislike Bitchford.

No user, don't think of the consumers! Think of those poor developers

>now have to release on same date as on any other platform you trying to sell

GET

FUCKED

and for indie software before Steam, the only thing you could get at retail was a spot at a game store or a video store in that container holding 50 other shareware titles; you'd be lucky if the store owner sorted them alphabetically, not that they would stay sorted anyways

just rely on Steam users to self-report it lmao

why even pay someone to do it when drones will raise the screeching alarm as soon as it happens and every time it happens?

I CAN'T GET MARKED FOR FRAUD IF I BUY IT ALL AT ONCE WITH A CART TIM, WHAT THE FUCK DUDE

The thing about the 30% cut is that nobody generally gave a shit until Epic acted like it was this big affront to game devs. The 30% covers a lot of shit, from advertising, hosting and a platform that lets even nobody jackoffs like you and me RELEASE THEIR OWN VIDEO GAMES. Like, people forget how amazing that is. Before Steam, that wasn't a thing. Indie games were fucking rare and took a LOT to get actually released. Now anyone can make games, and yes that means even Ivan and his Unity abortion with nothing but default assets. But also people like Toby Fox, Pixel, Yacht Club etc. who've put a lot of love and effort into their games. As an indie dev myself, I am absolutely and unashamedly fine with paying 30% for an excellent service, without which I wouldn't be able to achieve a dream I've had since I was a wee lad.

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To be fair this means nothing, almost all the exclusives didn't have a steam page.

>man says as another 60 dollars are spent on fucking KEYS

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Reminder that RANDY-FUCKING-BITCHFORD had to step in and code the pre-download API for EGS or the game wouldnt have pre-download and Epic doesnt care.

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A Steam bootlicker AND a furry?

It's more likely than you think!

Citation please?

Randy can't even start up a computer, he paid his staff to do it.

>doesnt understand the concept behind a REACTION IMAGE on a IMAGE BOARD
newfag mac newfagson

>what changed between then and now?
The people who say 30% is unreasonable are entitled zoomers who don't understand how much Steam helped indie game developers.

The developers of Rebel Galaxy Outlaw did an exclusivity deal with Epic but even they acknowledge that Steam's 30% was a good thing when it started, and they go on to say that they went with Epic in the hopes of making things even better for indie devs, but they don't cry about Steam like spoiled children. Pic related.

Source: rebel-galaxy.com/rebel-galaxy-outlaw-launching-on-epic-games-store-qa/

Interestingly, the Rebel Galaxy Outlaw devs also provide a guide for running their game without the EGS launcher: rebel-galaxy.com/launching-rebel-galaxy-outlaw-without-egs/

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Yeah this feels like an excessively grumpy reaction for something very rare.

Not him, but A+ rebuttal, dipshit.

But they did have forums, where people were going to get help for their buggy game.

On steam forums for their epic store game. Wowie!

Lol yeah, and those autists who spam zootopia images TOTALLY aren't furfags. Riiiiight.

That and it was discounting games that have just released or were on pre-order by $10. To a publisher that signifies that the game was undesirable thus needed a discount and they couldn't have that bad press.

Reminder that Borderlands 3 will be one of the best selling games of 2019, and Steam users can't even play it.

he forced his interns to do it for zero pay

Furfags suck, but when someone resorts to pure ad hominem as in it just reveals that they have no winning argument.

yeah a dog reading a book in a post that is making a point is LITERALY the same as 100 pictures of a fox fucking a rabbid whitout any words

Name one thing steam does that outright abuses its market share

OK this legitimately changed my opinion on steam's cut, good post.

He paid them in not-beatings.

I swear Epic drones live in some alternate universe where piracy doesnt exist

Loads up TD day 1 yeah i can :)

Can I buy games off third party sites yet? I really wanna grab that outer wilds game

good post

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reminder to kill yourself if you unironically give money to Pitchford

Not even worth pirating desu

>That's another whole strata of developers who can survive
That would be true if that 88/12 split wasn't a temporary measure to get both publishers onto their shitty store and PCfags to start using and buying things from there. Once they started to get a reasonable market share from Steam the plan was always to raise back rates to what they are before.
All these deals they're making are only good for them short term at the expense of hurting their long term reputation, and splintering the PC buyfag base. For every person you get to jump ship to EGS, you're also going to piss off some that are going to start pirating again.

>paying for Borderlands on PC
>unironically giving Pitchford your money

Did Steam felt cucked ?

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NO
I'M ENTITLED TO FREE MARKETING AND COMMUNITY HOSTING
YOU CANNOT DO THIS STEAM
THIS IS NOT FAIR

I have a better repellent right here

Protecting this thread with an anti-chink shield.

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Fuck Chinks, Fuck Epic and fuck Niggers

The Bugmen Fears the JEW

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>Steam users can't even play it
Why do you act like PC users are locked into one storefront like single console owners are?

Only if you buy it off humble, which doesn't give you a key. You have to link your EGS account to your humble account so it directly activates.

Cool, so it's still useless to me

>What do you think these services deserve then? If you think they deserve less, then guess what! Steam even gives you that option too! Generate keys and sell them directly from your site. You'll get your bugger cut that way. Consumers have the option to pay for games even cheaper than the retail price if they want to by going to key resellers.

Thank you for reminding me that Devs and most fans are retards when it comes to epic.

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I don't think Steam feels that much, I mean it took them almost a year to even react to Epic in any meaningful way

Yeah I don't think they should worry that much.

Unless Trump gets the second mandate and sets the IRS and the Wallstreet DoJ after the Bugmen, Bethesda, Disney, California and EpicGames + tencent
Which they are afraid of.

YOU DON'T FUCK WITH JEWS, They play the long game.

yeah just ignore the chink menace, surely china will eventually stop growing larger?

They didn't react because giving attention to idiots makes them act even more idiotic.

As funny as this is apparently it can be a bannable offense.

[spolier] I think a relative of Trump's helps run bethesda. [/spoiler]

This image is so incredibly stupid. Not only does it completely miss the point of what people are talking about when they say Epic provides competition it also uses MHW as an example, a game that is Steam exclusive. All those stores sell Steam keys. You have to use Steam to play MHW. Counting key sellers here is just fucking retarded. Also the idea that "competition" and "monopoly" can coexist in the same market is ridiculous. I guess whoever made this image thinks of each game as a completely separate thing, a completely separate market, but everyone else is talking about PC gaming as a whole.

Very informative post. Steam gives indie devs ease of access in so many aspects of game marketing that never even existed until only a few years ago. Pretending like steam has a monopoly on the indie industry when really they don't just goes to show that steam has just been very competent and competitive in the market they've had the chance to spearhead for quite awhile

Get fucked. China runs this board.

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hahah TENSHIT BTFO

the irony, pc is dead. Ps4 sold over 100 million now. Seethe and be forgotten relic.

>fortnite
>forgotten
Should I tell him fellas?

he was, but it seems that he isn't involved anymore.
The Fo76 shitshow along with blades pissed off a lot of people.

Did you mean the inflated numbers and obviously the pro selling numbers in the mix?

continue trulling underage shitter, the trans nigger who is fucking your mother and father isn't going to pay for your ps5.

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>valve bans your game from steam
how's that a problem, if it's valve that breaks contract?

For all people who liked this user's post, I'd highly suggest listening to Jeff Vogel's GDC talk on his history of making games. Great insights into game development

youtube.com/watch?v=stxVBJem3Rs

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I play and follow Fortnite closely, now I imagine Epic's store's mostly fueled by Fortnite money right ? The game is bound to dive deep pretty soon. It has an extremely high skill gap despite what some autists are crying about, and no SBMM. Many desperate measures have been pushed for player retention but they're bandaids, the whole thing is going to crumble soon. When this happens, I don't think the store can hold on or stay competitive for long.

What did Tim mean by this?

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>The game is bound to dive deep pretty soon
Said an increasingly nervous user for the 3rd year in a row.

Fortnite BR is just turning two years old.

Steam alone has over 1 billion accounts and 90 million active users. And that's only counts Steam, not even all of PC
>B-B-BUT THOSE ARE JUST DOTATARDS
Yeah and most PS4 owners only play FIFA or just use it to watch movies.

>What did Tim mean by this?

'We're all rich fuck you poor people'

This post earned a (You)

youre a gross shill and steam taking 30 for doing jack shit is robbery
>but they do this stuff!
fuck off. Yea Forums has always acknowledged that steam takes way too much for what they do. what the FUCK is with all these steam shills now? did epic providing a little competition seriously birth this many console war fags?

spending that fortnite money on vacations

Not counting key sellers is just fucking retarded, because Steam doesn't get a cut of those sales and it proves Valve doesn't have a monopoly of sale, which is the only type of monopoly that actually matters here.

>they're all just steam keys!
Literally the only site in that list that makes valve any money is steam. They don't see a cent from the keys sold on the others, while still providing the bandwidth

You didn't provide a single counter argument to that post. Just a greentext strawman followed by screeching fuck off and shill accusations

are you retarded? anyone would choose 70% over 50% and no one would settle for 70% when something higher is optional. it's not about being reasonable and never was. people want to make as much money as they can and everyone should honestly just admit this

>strawman
>screams shill with no argument or counterpoint
What a good day to be on Yea Forums. You guys could at least TRY.

>and no one would settle for 70% when something higher is optional
Then how come game companies are not choosing to launch on EGS without being given a 'minimum sales guarantee' aka money upfront? There is only a single exception I can think of to this

Epic are not getting exclusive because of their rates it's because they pay a lot of upfront cash.

If you want to do something good for the world and gaming, vote to abolish income tax.

>steam taking 30 for doing jack shit
>doing jack shit
Try harder.

>and no one would settle for 70% when something higher is optional
That entirely depends. If you're expected to sell a million on the 70% platform but only a few hundred thousand on the one offering a better split, which one would you choose?

Is it actually a menace ?

read a book lolbert

Gee I don't know, ask its neighbors.

>Epic are not getting exclusive because of their rates it's because they pay a lot of upfront cash.

This.

30% is standard lmao. Even Tim admitted 88/12 is unsustainable and the only reason they can afford to do it is because of Fortnite.

you know the answer already. it's obvious. I'm simply saying that you're wrong to view the problem as what should be a reasonable revenue % for publishers/developers to expect

But America's no neighbor.

Do you think your beloved Sony's 30% cut is also unreasonable? Or it doesn't apply if it's your favorite platform holder who does it?

The government already taxes you in many other ways, income tax is a punishment.
Historically income tax didn't exist at all or were compared to modern rates laughably low.

Why do you desire that governments should not be frugal with the money they have and instead confiscate more?

It's literally right across the ocean.

Ok but do you as an American feel like they may be a threat to anything ?

Governments have import and export taxes, property taxes, alcohol taxes, gambling taxes, sales taxes.

I don't worry about them missing out on income taxes.

Yeah, they steal our shit all the time and are destroying the environment. Did you think them turning the planet into a trashcan would not impact you?

Worse, it's not upfront cash, it's sales. They buy 100,000 copies and then sell the keys through their storefront. It's the exact same thing as giving them a ton of money but now they can go to potential investors and say "look, our game sold 100,000 copies before even releasing."

They did recently but in a offhand way. Someone asked some Valve rep about if they're worried about Epic competition and the guy just grouped them with a bunch of other shit.

I don't see why, unless you think companies cannot reasonably expect a revenue split.

Game developers and publishers want value in exchange for the revenue %. If they're not getting it, they distribute elsewhere instead.

But user, the media told me that the environment is being destroyed by Americans' plastic straws and that we would be saved by banning them.

read a book lolbert

How much do EGS shills get payed for this? If this is the best you guys can come up with, where do I go to sign up?

NOOO, BUT MY GENERIC INDIE GAME ABOUT PASTEL COLORS AND SAD PIANO MUSIC DESERVES ALL THE PRAISE!
IT'S STEAM'S FAULT!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

You can earn more than an EGS shill just by selling Steam trading cards.

Could this explain why the Epic store recent rise caused so much outrage ? It's hard to understand why different video game launchers could get people so much riled up. I don't doubt the concerns are legit but since this went all the way down to death threat I can only assume that there's something more at stake.

Tick tock Timmy, that Fortnite bucks is gonna run out sooner or later

>the Epic store recent rise
>get people so much riled up
Are you literally Chinese?

PC gamers don't like exclusives. This is why we hate consoles.

I'm French.
Yeah but I mean the whole thing takes place within a relatively light-hearted hobby, this isn't geo-politics level of importance, yet some people seem to act like it was.

It's trying to 'compete' with Steam, but it's completely barebones in features, and Epic clearly has more interest in strongarming people to use it through sniping anticipated games than in providing actual reasons to use it.

>was
What happened to Nessie?

The whole death threat thing is yet again dumb scummish devs playing victims by making up shit to try to get free publicity.

They found it, it was just a big eel

PC sold 4 billions, 100mil is fucking nothing

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That depends, lots of indies use Steam as a main marketing page and then release an early version on itch.io because the audience in there understand more what an alpha/beta actually means.

What are some examples?

Indies somehow believe that they should get paid handsomely even if they make a shit game. They bitch and moan about valve being unapproachable while ignoring the fact that none of the other bigger digital distributors will ever bother selling their generic limbo/earthbound knockoff.

You faggots have been saying this shit since the early 2000s and PC is still alive and kicking.

Grow up, cope, and have sex.

Bad post

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This is the face of a hardworking indie dev who has never asked for a thing from publishers and storefronts in his life and is greatful for his minor successes in life and his games. While indie devs continue to change the next trend in hopes of making the next Undertale, he just makes the continues pumping out games he likes to make.
Say something nice about him.

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Make sure to clean up my typos.

Did they just kick Ubisoft from their store?

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Are these things that can be added quickly to EGS?

>4 billion PCs sold
>not a single exclusive game

Yikes

They should. Honestly, this should apply retroactively. You're not selling your game in our store? Ok, goodbye.

>illiteracy
>in anno domini 2019

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>not a single exclusive game
How are you playing Total Warhammer on your console?

This. I work in software sales (just not games) and you'd be hard-pressed to get a sweeter deal than what Steam offers in any other industry.

In most cases publishing is a lot of overhead with equipment and shit. Obviously the margins "could" be lower but why would they when everyone goes along with it?

inb4 never heard of it/doesn't count/buzzwords

>What do you think these services deserve then? If you think they deserve less, then guess what! Steam even gives you that option too! Generate keys and sell them directly from your site. You'll get your bugger cut that way.

Bullshit.

>that part where he tells everyone there that they're all in competition with each other and that at the end of the day have to acknowledge that there are thousands of other budding indie devs out there who want to hit it big

Finally.
It's not the algorithms or Steam opening the floodgates trying to fuck indies over. At the end of the day, making games is more accessible than ever and you're competing with everyone else in the market.

>Total Warhammer

hahaha oh wow

Oh no... user, your social credit score... you can't post truth of this magnitude

>pro consumer
>not on linux and the ceo told people with linux to fuck off
>steals games from steam and tells steam users to fuck off
>steals kickstarter/crowdfunding games and tells backers of the games who expected steam keys to fuck off
>uses steam to market games because they are too incompetent to have their own forums

pro consumer my ass.

what is generating steam keys for 500 alex?

Steam doesn't take anything from key activations, this is well known. Arstechnica did the math and valve's cut is more like 20% when you take them into account for overall sales.

[Your social credit score has been increased]

How are you playing Factorio on your console?

based reply
putting zoomers and uneducated retards and third world faggots in their place

thank you for writing out a comprehensive and well thought out post
have a good day user

Must be weird for you guys to see actually unique exclusives rather than just reskinned versions of games that already exist as multiplats

horseshit. If that was true then epic wouldn't have any argument.

I dunno the exact numbers but yeah I think most of the sales are on consoles. PC version tends to last longer with the game going on sale for dirt cheap eventually though if you actually want to play with people.

partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys
It's literally right there.

Now you're getting it

>Opportunist devs now have to announce Epic exclusivity immediately
This basically kills Epic's ability to get exclusives from Kickstarter, as I doubt that many people would pledge money to an EGS exclusive.

>If that was true then epic wouldn't have any argument.
That's because they don't, and Tencent's putting money into the shilling machine

That's because they don't.

They literally just manufactured a problem out of thin air for people to get mad over and the journos bit it hook line and sinker. This is propaganda 101 and they've learned well from China.

>Tim Sweeney having literally no idea how PC market works, the revisited electrified bugaboo

I guess making the same mistake multiple times is only human.

I know it's hard to understand, but sometimes people lie on the internet.

30% has been the standard cut for years amongst all the stores including the console ones, brick and mortar retail takes even more.
All of a sudden about a year ago you got a massive wave of articles out of nowhere acting like it was an outrage

Of course they don't. But Epic has spent enough money on media coverage and spinning the narrative to make it seem like Steam is the bad guy that no one bothers to actually do the research. The best part? Tim himself said that 12% isnt sustainable. He's just trying to get his foot in the market. Once that's done, that 12% is going right back up. Epic and Tencent aren't fighting for developers, they're bribing them.

can someone give me a tl;dr quickrundown for retards?

isn't loss-leading illegal?

we're fucked steam bros

Loss leading is probably the biggest marketing tactic in the world, ofc it isn't illegal.

People were saying that this has existed since 2017 and some are saying that it's been there since December.

Does anyone actually fucking know when this shit has been set in place?

but why?

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read the post retard

>12% isnt sustainable
Absolutely bullshit. Maybe for Epic it's not sustainable but that's because nobody uses Epic. Steam could drop to 12% and they'd be fine, Steam makes a fuck tonne of money. You can't act like they're barely getting by. The thing is they just have no incentive to drop to 12% so obviously they're not going to

>All of a sudden about a year ago you got a massive wave of articles out of nowhere acting like it was an outrage
What's important to note is that all of these articles have been laser focused on just one store front out of the many. Steam. And why is that? Because they're the biggest competitor out of all the stores. Stores that don't exist according to Tencent and Epic because Steam is running a monopoly according to them.
All of this outrage and shilling has. Even manufactured and I'll even go as far as to say that the gaming press has been bought out. Kotaku manages to spin every news piece that comes out about a new EGS exclusive in Epic's favor, claiming that Steam is unfair, those poor indie devs would starve without Epic, and gamers are toxic. It's amazing how they keep putting these out when their comment sections always call them out for blatant shilling.

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pretty sure it's illegal in parts of yurop and burgerland

I think that 30 day timeframe is kinda bullshit, but how is it even a bad thing to refuse free advertising to people who don't even plan on using your platform to release the game, especially ones that pull out in the last second?

I did. Don't get it. Hence why I asked.

Great. This should be the kick up Epic's ass that pushes them to release their own fora.

>I think that 30 day timeframe is kinda bullshit
You said it yourself. There have been cases where they pull out last second.

>I'll even go as far as to say that the gaming press has been bought out.
This is something already pretty established at this point.

ok. it says that steam will not accept games that are released on epic first so steam basically kills itself.

>company drops the amount of money it makes from its main producy almost 2/3s
>this is sustainable
Okay chief.

That's because game journos and indies have been SEETHING for a long time now and Steam opening the floodgates was the straw that broke their incestuous entitled backs. They just didn't have another corporation to back up until then.

Well, I said the 30 day timeframe is kinda bullshit because for convenience sake I like having a game be up months before the game releases so I can have all the information contained on one page.
I guess the problem of Jews pulling out last second outweighs that timeframe though.

>retards indie trash thinks 88/12 it's sustainable
literally living from Fornite fade

no no NOOO WHY ARENT PEOPLE BASHING STEAM IN THIS THREAD!

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>so steam basically kills itself
Sure.

>successful platform (steam) bad
>upstart objectively worse platform (EGS) good

Shiggy diggy niggas

It's the industry standard for digital distribution. And unlike iTunes which is just cashing in Steam puts considerable effort into all the tools and reasons developers opt for Steam (not just marketing etc. but servers, workshop etc.) and also invests in gaming with VR and linux. I think 30% sounds high too, especially since I'm looking to sell on Steam (and GOG and directly) myself in the future, but they're by no means a bad actor in gaming unless you're a big publisher, they enabled countless industry outsiders to break into the market where it was previously jealously guarded by a few big companies, more so than any other big name, and despite all the memes.

If other companies are doing it then they are left with no choice.

80/20 split motherfucker, steam is dead

80% of 100 copies sold isnt much

Steam still has way more users. Out numbered by at least tens of millions.

Steam bad.
Epic bad.
GOG good.

Epic take exclusivity deal.
Excludes Steam. Steam bad and Epic bad so okay.
But it ALSO affects GOG. GOG good so Epic is worst.

Thusly:
GOG good.
Steam bad.
Epic worst.

Simple.

The great thing about Steam is that they take the profits and reinvest them into the overall PC gaming landscape. They built their own network for distributing games to avoid outages as well as get around issues that require VPNs. That same network is available to developers for use in creating online multiplayer games. They're unifying the VR ecosystem with their contributions with Steam VR. Linux gaming has never been better thanks to their efforts. Well, at least until this happened.
Thanks Epic.

yeah, just like myspace

you're probably still using it

When more rejections start coming out, these faggot indies are going to learn a lesson.

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See Google and Apple.

UMMMM SWEATY

EPIC LITERALLY HAS UE4 - THE MOST POPULAR AND MOST ACCESSIBLE ENGINE ON THE MARKET
THEY FUCKING DONATED A MILLION DOLLARS TO BLENDER
THEY HAVE EPIC GRANTS FOR SMALL INDIE DEVS?
HELLO?

30% is fair, the onus is on game devs to make sure the game sells well enough so that they still make money despite the cut.

based gog chad

Except Facebook has the most users out of any social media and remains the most popular.
Could Valve lose their user base? Of course.
But as of today there is no reason to believe people will be fleeing to Epic Games Store anytime soon.
People might use it when forced, similar to UPlay, Origin, Blizzard, etc. But people will remain on Steam for the foreseeable future.

read the post retard

I always find this funny. You have all these awful indie developers shitting on Valve and praising Epic but I don't see any of their crap on Epic.

It's funny that indies see Steam as the enemy when for the last 5 years, Steam has done nothing but make online distribution on their storefront as easy as possible for them. They went out of their way to make it easy for everyone.
These morons didn't realize that the indie dev scene has never been easier to get in to and their are literally thousands of then trying to break in. They're a bunch of refugees in the ocean trying to get on a cruise ship that's already full.

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i think it's no longer possible since valve can now sue them for breaching the contract

Thorough explanation. Thanks user

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It's the classic "temporarily embarrassed billionaire" mindset.

Even if what you said is logical
>reddit spacing
>furfag
Yup stopped giving a fuck once that was clear

Myspace died because it lost users, not advertisers. In this scenario, devs are advertisers, but they're jumping to Google+ before any real user base has been established.

entitled nigger

exactly

fuck steam and fuck epic chink store but first and foremost FUCK DEVELOPERS AND PUBLISHERS!

To be fair, most indie devs are insufferable cunts that should kill themselves.

Don't forget journos.

>i do think steams 30% cut is generally unreasonable.
It's the fucking standard.

Why doesn't anyone say why 30% is unreasonable?

Steam wasn't functioning as a monopoly though, they didn't do anything to stop devs from selling their games through other channels. Epic is actually trying to monopolize games, they're specifically paying devs to NOT sell their games anywhere but Epic.
Steam has been pro-consumer as fuck with things like their refund system and general plethora of features. Epic is the one trying to be anti-consumer.

I was agreeing that it's reasonable.

Oh man, TESVI is so fucked isn't it. This makes me so fucking mad.

>Steam wasn't functioning as a monopoly though
Amazing isn't it, how memes have turned humanity into drooling retards.

Making and distributing games is more accessible than it's ever been. Both on the dev side courtesy of Unreal/Unity as well as a bunch of other free shit you can use and on the distribution side courtesy of Steam/GOG.

I actually can't fucking believe these indies. They have the fucking world handed to them on a fucking plate.

It's demonstrably true, sites like Greenman wouldn't exist otherwise. You are massively retarded if you actually believe otherwise.

I'm not even sure that's Steam's choice, it's borderline false advertising which I imagine can result in pretty bad legal consequences.

Didn't Valve implement this to prevent people from just changing the release date constantly to keep their game on the upcoming games list despite it not being anywhere close to finished or releasable?

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Don't forget they also have shit like leddit and the tranny discord for "community hubs" they can use if they're not willing to use Steam's forums. And if they want a console then even the fucking Switch is accepting so much garbage into the e-shop.

Because they don't know what they're talking about generally and just see Steam as providing a web page.

The 30 day timer only starts when the game is released on PC elsewhere. They can have the store page up as early as they like. They could release their game on Epic first for 29 days and then release on Steam, no problem

Based as fuck. But posting this here hardly means anything. Someone should bring this up on social media as a rebuttal. I always find it to be weird that Steam is so quiet about this whole debacle about cuts. Do they evem care about their image? And it's weird that only Steam got criticized but not Sony, Xbox and Nintendo e-stores when they take the same percentage cut. I guess in some wat Valve knew that they are on the right side, and these tantrums and blackmailing is just retarded and soon will die down when the truth is out.

steam should eat dozens of lawsuits so sweeney can buy more exclusives, anything else is abusing a monopoly

This whole Steam/Epic situation really highlights how evil and sociopaths these people really are too. If this is the type of shit they're willing to pull on paying customers, you can just imagine how much further they'd go if they could.

Oh here we go again...

Blessed post, though you should have listed all of the things steam provides too. Now I'm not saying that Steam/Valve don't have their downsides (see the latest game banning, they shit they tried to pull with paid mods) but compared to Epic they're fucking saints.

I see a lot of people saying this, but this isn't actually true.
It says "Company shall submit the Applications to Steam no later than the first commercial release", which means exactly what it says.
The 30 days from the effective date, meaning the date on which this takes effect, is for games that have already had a commercial release.

The only marketing Epic does is announcing that games aren't being put on Steam and the ensuing shitstorm.

>Dog character
>Must be furshit!
I'm atleast proud you've learned to associate a dog with a word other than "Lunch" Chang, baby steps...

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Also, I should add, that there's nothing stopping developers from putting up a store page more than 30 days before release, as long as the release it everywhere at the same time.

And that's just their contribution to selling games. Hardly anyone in the press bothers to mention Steam's contributions towards the PC Platform as listed here
I think one of their contributions that rarely gets the recognition it deserves is official controller support. Before Steam's built in controller options came along, we had to deal with shady third party software if we wanted to play with anything other than Logitech shit or Microsoft controllers. Steam now has official support for the popular options along with a suite of features such as button remapping on a per game basis and the ability to easily share those mappings.
I'm not one to side with businesses and corporations, but Steam has done nothing but contribute positively to the PC industry. It pains me to see the press do a sudden turn on them because someone else paid them to.

Steam, Valve and Gabe are not my friends. They are a business st the end of the day. But they've provided me and countless others with services and advancements that I never thought I needed until they developed it.

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>I always find it to be weird that Steam is so quiet about this whole debacle about cuts. Do they evem care about their image?
It's funny you ask that because the answer will make you laugh. Forgive the article but kotaku was the only one who brought this topic of with a few valve people.

>archive.fo/a5YpG
Basically, they don't want to say anything about any of this because it'll embolden people, regardless if they're pro or anti anything, to stir shit up. They just want everyone to get along so after their Metro Exodus "unfair" comment got misconstrued by literally everyone in the world they just chose to shut up about any of this so that people can't use their words as fuel for more outrage.

And now read their response and compare it to what Timmy has been doing these past few months.

Console charge devs for updates? That's pretty shitty.
Don't some titles get to have a different number too if Steam is particularly interested in them?

Controller support was a god send. I still remember the sketchy ass fucking programs I had to use to get my PS3 controller to work

Don't know how it is now, but some games that were updated on PC weren't updated on consoles because the console makers charged for every update that was put out. I think the Orange Box is a victim of this for example.

you know as much as I hate that valve is a completely silent about anything
I'm glad they never made any statements about this because god knows how much of a bigger clusterfuck this would be if Gaben literally said anything about the egs

Epic's competition does not benefit the consumer in the slightest. Instead of providing a better/cheaper alternative they instead resort to drag everyone down with them by paying developers to not do business with Epic's competitors.

Cope harder, you self-entitled DEV!

Tell me the name of the game that you make, so I can blacklist your shit.

>we had to deal with shady third party software
Ah, the good old days of having to download chink malware to get your PS3 controller working on your PC.

>"MONOPOLY! It's bad for everyone!"
When talking about Steam the shitters talk about being forced to use the client. No developer benefits. No mention of the value to the end user.

>"88/12! It's good for everyone!"
When talking about EGS the shitters change the topic and talk about the benefits solely about the developers. Do not bring up the loss of functionality and community for the end users. And being forced to use client suddenly becomes acceptable.

EGS, the developers, and the publishers all bank on a single, fundamental concept to make the current EGS scenario work: Their end users are too impatient to wait out the exclusivity phase. That's it.... their opinion of the end user is nothing more than "They'll eat anything, no matter how much we shit on the plate." And they're right. A quick look at the end user (lol) "boycotts" over the last two decades cleanly paints a road to success. Dangle and strangle.

>Valve says that they don't want to cause a bigger rift than there already is
>article exists just to make everyone more outraged

Can someone fucking explain to me why NATHAN GRAYSON still has a fucking job writing this garbage?

Mainly to keep EA from using Steam as a bulletin-board and getting free ads, then yanking their games on or just before release-date. There's DLC-related clauses that are also EA's fault.

I can wait shit out. I'm still running a Sandy Bridge PC.

WHat are some of those clauses? I'm interested to know how EA caused them

Breaking a monopoly requires more than just holding games hostage in your shitty software. It requires you to do something BETTER than the competitor. Epic has... Better curation, I guess. That's the only thing I can think of that Epic does for the consumer.

I don't give a shit how much steam takes, it doesn't impact really impact me as a consumer, and especially so since games in the Epic store cost the same. At least if Epic took less money and dropped the price, that'd have a positive impact.

You don't have a fucking clue how consumer economics works, though, so all of this is just passing through.

He just played 4 aces... You can not hype your game on Steam and then have Epic come and say "look at this sweet check we have for you ;)" and pull it from Steam.

Yep.
I have EDF5 for any looter shooter fix I need.

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The all journo "profession" is filled with cunts. It is, unironically a good thing when someone kills a journo.

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Shame if you try to buy more than a few games at a time you get banned.

Indie devs literally have no fucking idea how stressful the business/distribution side of this shit is. When steam has existed for literal years now you sort of take that for granted.

But no no no no.
We love Steam so much.
We want to get fucked in the ass by the big fat ex-Microsoft kike, that won't give away free games and even charges for his own 20+ year old games shekels.

It's Steam who gives them the keys though, and they have put a system in place to prevent people from abusing this a while back, the amount of keys a dev gets is now proportional to sales. Excluding big trusted companies/special deals of course.
This doesnt means the devs cant give out their own version of the game for free.

It means if a dev puts up a Steam store page, they HAVE to release it the same day as any other store.
If Epic decides to buy a game that already has a Steam page, Valve can sue the devs for breaking their contract

So what does this mean for rocket league who are going to pull it off the store eventually to be epic store exclusive?

read a book bootlick

Are they still going to do that? I thought the main devs backed off when their community went utterly ballistic.

I don't see why it matters how much the "devs" get when most devs get paid an hourly wage by the company they work for and maybe some sales bonuses if their games do well. The people who are set to make more from a smaller cut for steam are publishers and CEOs who don't really deserve what they get to begin with.

Outside of indie devs or very small companies where everyone's financials depend on sales it's a very weird misdirection.

It's basically a "Don't pull a Metro"-clause

Stop replying to yourself user, it's just sad.

They do care, it's just instead of talking, they do everything through action. Anything they say will always go back to "B-but Epic takes 12%! And they're going to support everything you stated." Even though they could just as easily sell on their own site for like a 2% cut for payments.

At the end of the day Valve could provide anything and everything, and the ones complaining at the end of the day are only looking at the final dollar amount. Nothing else matters. Steam gave your a higher sales and revenue? Nah, they could have done that on Epic.

Itch does all that cheaper

It means that EGS is still taking the cut. While Steam doesn't do it, so this tells you that Steam appears doing charity.

Just get into the fucking casket already you retarded HL boomer

>We want to get fucked in the ass by the big fat ex-Microsoft kike, that won't give away free games

Why are you lying?

That's fair I guess. Gabe did nothing wrong.
Now only if Valve also used all this creativity to make games.

I love people throwing the big bad cut around like it was ever a point of discussion before EGS launched.

Did you reply to the wrong person?

There is nothing to see. :^)

Devs can freely generate their own keys from Steam. Valve just uses a system to prevent them from abusing it like you said.

underrated post, people who parrot 30% BAD are just towing a line and have no idea what that 30% actually goes to

Neither did Origin or GOG for that matter
Refunds exist because of EU policy
And i dont think retro game sales matter all that much, and regardless GOG is pretty much going for a blue ocean strategy there.

>Refunds exist because of EU policy
Wasn't it because of Australia or am I thinking of something different?

that's stupid: it's much better to have the steam page and enable public reviews and watch it burn.

>I always find it to be weird that Steam is so quiet about this whole debacle about cuts
because they know that they don't have to say shit since Epic is burning money via bribes, thinking they will win, until they realize that they have no fucking chance and give up

>T. Zhou.

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I have no idea of what you mean

Valve is trying to prevent people from bombing reviews though.

Now you get it. This also means less work for Valve because now they don't need to keep cleaning the shitshows the Steam community makes.

They weren't designed to.
And yet Origin and GOG have done more to give Valve an incentive to improve steam than Epic ever has.

Guys, what if I told you neither Epic or Valve are your friends?

WAHHH
WAAAHHHH
WHY CAN'T WAL-MART RUN ADS FOR MY PRODUCT THAT I ONLY SELL ON AMAZON

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Zero refutation of the original premise. You still must use Steam to play the games, thus a monopoly.

>le 30%
>le 18%

Subscriptions models are the future dumb steam/epic fangay.

What if I want to buy something on GOG but Tim yanks it away while Gabe doesn't?

People on Yea Forums don't listen to that kinda shit. They're all corporate bootlickers to the nth degree and will die on the hill for companies that don't even know they exist.

>they will be forced to make video games to make up for the costs
make video games with a company that mainly consists of software developers nowadays rather than game developers? are you really that delusional?

Last December. But plebbit only now read it so it's fresh for them and epic shills.

I'm 100% convinced the EGS is just a smokescreen for Google to not take the brunt of the outrage that Stadia is going to bring.

>i want subscription models
ok enjoy paying for 10 different subs while pubs push EA titles down your throat smile and don't forget your onions

30% is a huge share, developers tolerated it because there was no decent alternative until EGS came along.

Based

Your original premise is flawed because it's based on a false definition of monopoly and thus does not warrant refutation. Steam does not have a monopoly of sale, you needing to use steam to play those games is completely irrelevant.

Again, hold the L.

>brunt of the outrage that Stadia is going to bring
You don't actually think Stadia's going to last more than a year, do you?

see >"You still must use EGS to play the games, thus a monopoly."

No shit, Sherlock? Epic is just openly hostile and we don't want them winning.

actually based
chinks promoting on steam and switching to Epic on last seconds was fucking annoying as fuck
BASED GABEN

As a consumer all I care is the service quality. I don‘t really care about the 30%. All I know is the last time I downloaded subnautica on Epic it was 1.5MB/s. My Steam library download speed varies from 8MB/s to 20MB/s.

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Nope, just to download them. You do realize that if steam lowered their cut they would be more predatory since it would be harder to do 1st party hosting as a dev?

What's going on big guy? You just scanned my files

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If that's true then why can't you answer this question:

>Steam doesn't take anything from key activations, this is well known.
False statements from users on Yea Forums doesn't make it true.

He doesn't want it but it's inevitable.

Garbage is bound to win in this world.

People will take dodgy frames and latency for "saving money" and they'll become slaves for eternity and LOVE it.

That's just how it's going to play out.

Yeah, let's not discuss stuff. Just consume whatever the media tells us.

I'm just saying lad. If Epic didn't exist, it was going to be Google who's going to do the exclusivity shit.

Maybe they should go complain about it on the Epic forums.

>30% is a huge share
It isn't for handling distribution, advertisement, and coming packed with a gigantic audience. Not to mention the plethora of other services that are included for devs. Not to mention normal retail/publisher cut used to be 50%-70%. But go on Tim.

>Mfw I'm a small indie dev and I needed to have a page to send my users too

>MFW I am now getting fucked over because EPIC BAD, will not be able to market my game despite being the intended dev audience.

Fuck this shit, when the game gets to beta if they wave their cash in front of my im fucking taking the money.

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you know, the developers are never forced to tie their games to steam's api. hell they don't even have to apply the drm (and quite a few games don't so you can just download them once through steam and use them anytime after without steam)
instead they choose to do so to reap the features that steamapi offers

Timmy is stealing my futa!

Nobody is fucking you over. If you don't intend to launch on steam then you shouldn't have a steam page.

Depends how it is done. I doubt that Epic’s moves could be considered illegal, but if you try to sell some common commodity with easily observable manufacturing costs (eg. milk) at clear loss to kill off the competition, yeah, that is illegal in many countries. It’s just that Epic’s loss leadering is done in more subtle way, and it probably doesn’t cross the law in any direct way.

Devs are cancer and should be killed.

They're not going to pay you, retard

>I always find it to be weird that Steam is so quiet about this whole debacle about cuts. Do they evem care about their image?
Why bother? Basic research would reveal what Epic is pulling is a scumbag move. Journos have no interest in providing both sides of the story and even if Valve defended themselves, faggots like Nathan Grayson will spin it in EGS favor.
Valve is playing the long game. Epic's attempts aren't going to last forever. If fucking Ubisoft, EA and Microsoft couldn't make a dent, what the hell can Epic do? All those stores filled to take off because of one thing in common, something that Epic is guilty of doing as well. They're all inferior stores where the interest is themselves rather than the people shopping at those stores.

Fuck Epic.

I will never forgive them after they shut down paragon.

How does this effect you exactly?

>small indie dev
The fuck? They don't even want you? What are you complaining about customers?

>everyone working outside of tax havens like the UAE and Bermuda are bootlicks
I'd rather be a communist than be bootlicking capitalist filth like you. Go suck circumcised dick and cry for the poor copyright industry that chinks are literally driving into the gutter somewhere else, like on T_D.

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partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys
>Steam keys are free and can be activated by customers on Steam to grant a license to a product.
>Valve provides the same free bandwidth and services to customers activating a Steam key that it provides to customers buying a license on Steam. We ask you to treat Steam customers no worse than customers buying Steam keys outside of Steam. While there is no fee to generate keys on Steam, we ask that partners use the service judiciously.

Of course not. But Valve gives ME free shit like controller support and linux porte.