>Could have had all the different eggs, special moves and transformations from Tooie
>Instead he just swings Kazooie around like another boring anime swordsman
Why is Sakurai so incompetent? Fan mods have been showing him up for decades. Also the remixes are soulless trash.
>anime
stopped reading there
>everything i don't like is anime swordsman
The only good game in the series is Melee. It’s good for everything. Brawl was disappointing and badly balanced and 4 was an abomination. I don’t know why people continue to buy these games
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me
He literally has entire moves copy pasted from Marth and Corrin. Cope.
>A mii costume caused more uproar than Banjoke
Tick tock banjies, tick tock
Because Banjo is the only character in the pass people actually like so Sakurai made him play like shit out of pure spite because he's not an anime character.
>he wanted ANOTHER DLC character with GIMMICKS GIMMICKS GIMMICKS GIMMICKS like Bayonetta Hero and Joker
thank fucking god it's a regular character
I wanted Banjo to play like Banjo and not bear Marth.
How many moves to Banjo swig Kazooie aground?
Every tilt, every smash attack, every aerial except forward air.
This
>Implying Banjo doesn't have gimmicks
Face it, Sakurai doesn't know how to design normal characters anymore. He should just quit and let the PM team handle the games from now on.
That's just for one move. Or is Kirby also a gimmick character?
> Fsmash - Banjo slams Kazooie.
I’ll count that as a swing
> upsmash - Kazooie spins in Banjos backpack.
Would you consider that slashing or Marth-like?
> downsmash - Kazooie slams ground.
Not really Marth-like
> ftilt - Kazooie poke.
Marth-like
> downtilt - Beak Barge
an actual move in Tooie
> uptilt - Banjo kicks up
Kazooie isn’t relevant here
> nair - Kazooie spins
Kazooie isn’t being swung here
> down air - Beak Buster
another actual move from the games
> back air - Rat-a-tat rap
Another move
How would even incorporate transformations for his tilts, would his model keep changing? That’d be terrible
Literally yes. Kirby was the most gimmicky character in Smash 64, where most of the rest of the roster was fairly traditional.
Forgot
> upair - Kazooie uses wings
Again not being swung
>Fsmash
Literally Marth fsmash
>Upsmash
Literally Meta Knight upsmash
>Downsmasn
I'll concede that one, it's more like Ridley
>Ftilt
Literally Corrin ftilt
>Downtilt
Literally Corrin dtilt
>Uptilt
I forgot this one too, fair
>Nair
Literally Meta Knight nair
>Dair
Literally Corrin dair
>Bair
Ridley bair but with a swordsman hitbox
Nair is Kazooie's move from Tooie where she is solo and can attack in the air by spinning her wings, also Ftilt is also another move from the game in the "shooter" levels from tooie where you can use Kazooie as a pecking weapon
>play like shit
hes good though. i just wish he had more moves from the game.
Kirby's transform is way less gimmicky. It's just a grab that gives him your character's special. Banjo's side B is an invincible resource based attack that you only get 5 times per stock. That's just as gimmicky as Joker and Hero's bullshit.
Transformations would be a stupid idea but multiple Egg types absolutely should have been in the game. Breegull Blaster should have had Blue, Fire, Ice, and Grenade Eggs and Down B should have been Clockwork Kazooie.
I don't care how "good" he is. He's fucking boring to play as. I don't want to play anime swordsmen, I want to play Banjo.
>Literally Marth fsmash
Going off this logic, Ice Climbers and DDD and a few others also have a Marth fsmash because they do an overhead swing as well.
>Literally Meta Knight upsmash
MK is 3 slashes up, Banjo breakdances in place and dishes out a ton of hitboxes, terrible comparison. The move is barely even disjointed.
>Literally Corrin ftilt
Corrin's ftilt is a slash, Banjo uses Kazooie as a spear in his ftilt.
>Literally Corrin dtilt
Corrin's Dtilt isn't a slide+stab, it's another slash.
For the rest you're just shitposting.
You also cannot be serious.
don't reply to that obvious bait
Banjo fsmash is literally THE SAME ANIMATION AND PROPERTIES AS MARTH'S. You have a case for the rest but there is no defending that.
>anime swordsman
you got me to respond, at least.
holy shit.
fpbp
He's trolling, he believes anyone with "range" or who attacks in an arc is literally just a FE character
ftilt is Beak Bayonet though; she even makes the same sound effect.
Truth hurts don't it? Sakurai showed no love to Banjo at all, it's insulting to every fan that asked for the character since Melee. If you were really a fan of the character you'd be upset at how Sakurai treated him.
>Also the remixes are soulless trash.
Opinion discarded you clearly have shit taste.
They obviously didn't choose the characters they did for DLC because they'd be unique but because of how easy they would be to make seeing how hard the recycle moves. At least Hero's gimmick is so absurd its easy to overlook his blandness
Such as?
Are we seriously at the point where autists are unironically calling Banjo an anime swordsman?
>Turning the main theme into generic ooga booga rap crap
>Taking a steaming shit on Gobi's Valley
No
No
hero pretty much reuses items as his specials
> Literally Meta Knight upsmash
Meta Knight doesn’t spin
> Literally Corrin dtilt
It’s still a move from the game. An unlike your gimmick options it’s a standard move for the player. I prefer it being represented. I feel the same about the nair, Dair, and Bair.
Regardless, Banjo doesn’t play like Marth. By your own admission he takes from Ridley, Meta Knight, Corrin. Not to mention Ganon with the fair. His specials coupled with these options make him his own character
Are you saying Corrin and Meta Knight aren't sword ch aracters
>Covering a wide area or attacking in an arc is considered anime swordsman now
The Belmonts and King Dedede are my favourite Anime swordsmen
>PM Team
>The team who's stand alone Smash clone was a complete failure
Dedede and Belmont have slow, deliberate disjoints that cover a very static angle. Anime swordies (including Banjo) have fast, safe, wide ranged attacks that cover a huge space.
why isn't this his f air. they could've just made the mario punch his b air.
MK doesn’t play like the anime swordsmen, even if he uses a sword
The down air? Taken from Toon Link first.
The forward smash? Sure. It's a big arc hit from overhead to the ground, and a move from Tooie. That same swing is shared by Bowser Pre-4, Falco Post-Melee, Ike, and Dedede.
That's all I can think of.
N-air? It's Ivy's, not Corrin's.
I can't even think of any other moves that resemble either of them.
>Wanting him to have even less unique hand to hand moves
No
This is the only mistake for Banjos moveset. This is arguably the most iconic move and the made it a weird bair.
Even Sakurai thinks Tooie is garbage.
Because it didn't have Nintendo characters. If they were given the Smash IP they'd put out a way better game than Sakurai has ever dreamed of. PM characters have way more SOUL than official Smash characters ever had.
>soulless trash
Stopped reading right there.
Reminder that Banjoke is getting cut next game
>gimmicky
It's not literally RNG or a shitty comeback mechanic so that's not a fair comparison at all
As if he wasn't basic enough they just had to make him a one hit wonder
>Put a shitty rap beat over the main theme
>Not soulless trash
You both are jackasses. Nobody important to PM's development even worked on Icons.
It's also in active development again thanks to P+ and there are various other mods being worked on like Legacy XP and Smash Bros. CE that add characters using PM as a base.
gimmicks are gay as fuck. im happy he feels like a melee fighter.
>Melee fighter
>Has a disjointed hitbox he can safely swing around without thinking
Literally just as bad as the FEfags
He relies on a gimmick though, without wonder wing hes complete trash
Agreed on the music, at least. There was no need to remix almost everything.
At least they knew not to lay a hand on Freezeezy Peak.
its because sakurai knows tooie is garbage so only reps the good game
That doesn't change my point though. Compare how PM treats Nintendo characters to how Sakurai treats them. PM gave Donkey Kong his roll attack while Sakurai DK had some gay kick. PM gave Bowser his real fire breath and made Lucas actually fight like his own character and not a glorified Ness echo. Hell they even combined the best of Mario and Doc and let you pick either as a costume. Sakurai can't even get Ganondorf right, something PM has perfected.
Are there videos that demonstrate these disjointed hitboxes?
This. I hated how every fan moveset now-a-days is
>For DK's Down B he switches between one of the DK crew using a barrel. Each character has their own moveset. Lanky has a No-Style Meter that will fill up, but if it's greater than his no face meter a small rhythm segment to the DK rap that if you complete (while collecting crystal coconuts and colored bananas) will give you a small buff called going bananas that increases damage and knockback but only for the currently equipped Kong, if you swap you'll be scolded by Cranky Kong and given a small debuff
Lucas fights nothing like Ness you mega retard, and DK has had his roll since 4.
Nevermind the second part, but as Lucas main shut the fuck up if you have no idea what you're talking about.
Doc being a Mario costume is also a huge disappointment since normal Mario plays NOTHING like Doc outside of use of Tornado, they dropped the ball there. Doctor Mario from that 64 mod is better than PM's """"""""Doctor Mario"""""""
>"soulless trash" are literally the last two words in OP
>user says, "stopped reading right there" as if it were serious
>But user literally couldn't read further anyways because that was the end of the statement
>You missed the joke...
I saw some people do this back when the SNK copyright popped up for KOF characters and I genuinely wanted to smack them. I know Sakurai plays fast and loose sometimes with interpreting game mechanics into Smash (Arsene) but for the most part he's fairly consistent.
Oh I agree 100%. All of the characters have a shit ton of love and little references put into them without being gimmicky bullshit. Even Sonic manages to be way better with two spin dashes since he can slide out of his side-b. Wario is full of Wario Land and World moves.
If you want a good laugh look up custom movesets on YouTube. I don't remember who it was (since they're a dime a dozen) but I remember one guy trying to explain this made up pacifist meter for Frisk where the player would be rewarded for running away and not fighting, and getting butthurt that people called out his Shadow moveset for not having a gun.
his moveset is faithful,simple,and straight foward,i love it,the only thing i dont like is the limited F+special,but its not really that bad
PM's Doctor Mario is literally just an alt. If you want an actual Doctor Mario then check out Legacy XP's and Smash Bros. CE's since he's his own character there. CE even adds his forward throw and down air from Ultimate.
Ultimate trying to be closer to a "proper" fighting game is killing the creativity of the movesets. If Banjo was in 4, he'd be way closer to his original game.
>He's fucking boring to play as.
so, just like every character every single rosterfaggot was speculating about, got it
Are your retarded? We've been having the Banjo shitstorm for four months straight.
Only thing I would have changed was having him cycle through ice egg, fire egg, and grenade egg. So you could throw them to freeze, fire pillar, or explode the enemy.
>second loop adds a hip-hop beat in the background
>generic ooga booga rap crap
did you chimp out over the dk rap too?
>not liking surf rock gobi's valley and gruntilda's lair
faggot
How in any way is Ultimate even attempting to be anything resembling a "proper" fighting game?
Meters and counters are killing Smash, not every gimmick has be something as typical as charging up a super attack. I wish Kirby was actually good for once because his copy ability is fucking cool and getting things like Shulk Kirby is such dumb fun
good thing he’s getting cut next game
Meter and Counters are fine for the characters they're on.
Other characters should be made more unique in the same way, like Kirby's inhale actually taking on more things from the character like weight and speed and fall speed and and etc.
This must be a fucking meme or something. What the fuck am I missing here?
I've played Banjo and by no means is he hard to use. He's plenty useful and easy to use.
You guys just suck fucking dick.
Most of Yea Forums plays Ganondorf/heavies that have a gameplan of UNGA BUNGA.
Any character that requires the slightest bit of playing around the opponent instead of barreling directly at them constantly is too hard for the IQ level of the board. You need to have an IQ of at least 87 to play most Ultimate characters and Yea Forums's hovers around 79.
I can't get his grenade tech down, but that said I'm horribly shit.
>this entire thread
Kek, some autists been posting a Chosen Undead moveset with like three gimmicks involving souls, humanities, and shield stamina as well as different skins with their own properties that is exactly like this. Why even play Smash at that point.
Only thing I have any trouble with is stalling offstage forever with grenades but that's pretty much never gonna be a viable strat anyway save for really niche situations so it's fine
All his moves that involve Kazooie are taken directly from the games you fucking retards. The forward smash is Tooie's Breegull Bash move with zero changes. Forward tilt is Beak Bayonet, down tilt is Beak Buster, up smash is Bill Drill, which is changed from the original game but still unlike any swordsman's move since it spins.
Arsene being a super mode is pretty stupid imo. Shit doesn't work like that in the games. Either make him work like how stands actually do in other Jojo fighters, or give Joker multiple Persona for different specials/smash attacks.
I hate that guy so much. He gets really defensive about his movesets too.
The Pacifist meter sounds stupid, but why does Shadow need to have a gun, most Sonic fans hate the gunplay.
Zoomers and redditors are not people.
I'd argue it's one of Shadow's most iconic props, even his self titled game has him with a gun on the cover. It's not even his need for a gun, it's the fact he got so butthurt about being called out for it.
Shadow haters bring up the guns more than the people who actually like Shadow. Also it's kinda pointless when Shadow can fire energy blasts.
But getting butthurt is a bit too much.
This reminds me that you niggers don't even fucking touch this game
I was playing it last night. Had to reply World of Light on Easy because I'm so fucking shit I couldn't get the Mew spirit on Normal.
There are severals moves from Tooie, the missing ones weren't doable. The only important move that's missing is Rat-a-tat Rap which is from the first game and there are other moves similar to this.
It's actually a great moveset, much better than more important characters like Link and Ganondorf.
I'm highly certain this is a shitpost but fuck it
Banjo and Kazooie play out exactly how I expected them to play out. The direct and me actually playing as them did not disappoint. The same goes for the stage and music. I have no idea why people are complaining.
Sorry not every thing plays out to your ridiculously high standards.
>almost 20 years to include the characters fans always wanted
>they bitch about it anyway
You're all ungrateful fags, I hope Sakurai earns enough money with this game so he can retire and never listen to your complaints again.
>a generic attack being accurate to its source material somehow makes it not generic
>duhhhhhh i want banjo to be able to twist kazooie into a pretzel and take a bite out of her to recover percentage
It's funny you say that, because Joker has an alt and a special stage/end screen that correlates with a certain stage. Hero has 3 fucking alts and a shit load of specials, and then there's Banjo-Kazooie. They have no ult, nothing special about them, a side B that's bad, and not enough from their two games. Having the side B generate different eggs would have been great, but Sakurai's gotta be lazy with non-Japanese nothing trash no one wants.
This. And I'm sure he wants forced to add B&K, instead of the generic garbage he wanted. Hence the extra salt from him, and making his side B useless(hint, it can be grabbed out of by anyone.)
Don't forget that Banjo & Kazooie were originally stated to come in the the fall. I wouldn't be surprised if Samurai rushed him just to get to work on his husbando Terry
Probably. I wouldn't doubt that Ken 2 will have an ult and something special about him.
>Cry about your dead gay cartoon bear for decades
>Finally get him
>Complain anyway
lmao banjokes
Trying to appease rosterfags will never not be a mistake
stop whining faggot
Stevie Stevie cope and seethie :3c
What would you realistically make for a Banjo alt? His Nuts and Bolts design? Fuck that shit. His colors are all based on BK characters
Probably because we got another set of DLC. It explains why so character moves are copypasta
64 polygon design like crash and neo are in Crash team racing remake. An ult that has fucking Dragon Kazooie. An ult that gives them both sunglasses like the ending of the first game.
Please stop user. You're hurting me.
It hurts me thinking about it. I'm glad I have a homebrewed switch though, this DLC is terrible.
Jesus fucking christ you smashfags are ungrateful. You get a roster twice as big, most of them fan-requested, and arguably a bigger range of different character playstyles than most fighting games yet you don't see those fanbases crying about the rosters unless there's legitimate problems with certain characters. Neck yourselves.
fucking banjokes should never have gotten their cereal box mascot
this is the truly delicious irony, no matter what character gets in you still won't be happy because it's not the specific version of said character that you autists built into your head
>most of them fan-requested
BAHJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yea because Robm Palutena, Dark Pit, Ken 2, Joker, Hero(Slime was more requested,) Inceneroar, Villager 2, 4 marths, cloned Ganaondorf, 10 pokemon, 9-10 FE shit, WERE TOTALLY popular requests.
Don't forget Wii Fit Trainer, Ryu, & Bayonetta.
cope, slotlet
Outside of his side B, he's terrible. What are you people talking about? Even then his side B isn't even that good. It can be interrupted by grabs and blocked by shields. Sometimes it doesn't even work and you get hit by moves anyway.The only really strong thing about his side B is that it does massive amounts of damage but its so easy to block or stop it doesn't matter.
Banjo doesn't feel like a DLC character at least compared to the other dlc characters. He feels like a base level character they made into DLC to build up hype. Meanwhile Joker and Hero continue to be the strongest characters in the game.
Its a disgrace
Yep. THat's what happens when shitkurai is forced to add in a character he doesn't want. Notice how after five fucking games we FINALLY get a western rep, AND SANS IS A FUCKING MII COSTUME and TERRY WHO is a character.
Funny that.
Nuts & Bolts style
>Lucas fights nothing like Ness
>Mario plays NOTHING like Doc
I mean they are not exact copies and they have a bunch of small differences, but for fuck sake learn how not to exaggerate. Snake plays nothing like Ness. Bayonetta plays nothing like Mario. Obviously Lucas and Dr. Mario are very similar to their fucking TEMPLATES.
>muh slots
Kill. Yourself. Nostalgiafag.
Except Japan still went apeshit over Hero and Joker. The rest I'll agree with.
Bayo literally got in smash 4 because of the fan ballot.
lol imagine someone who takes the time to make this shit
docs.google.com
insinuating that they've even been in the same room as a female
Spot the seething BING BING WAHOO manchild
Does banjo have a better recovery than Snake?
>Less knockback and damage than C4
>Banjo's recovery is faster and less punishable than snake
>Banjo is as heavy as snake
>instead of the generic garbage he wanted.
considering he's Japanese and recently is in love with any jrpg that sounds right. Look at how much influence Xenoblade 2 had and it didn't even get a character
>he believes slime was more requested
HAHAHAHAHA what an idiot
Why the fuck would you want every DLC character to be an overpowered or gimmicky piece of shit who'll just get nerfed eventually, is that what constitutes someone as being "DLC" to you fucking clowns?
see
is going to be more useful than snake's recovery.
I'm interested in seeing when top players finally master this consistently. Guys like zackray have already figured out how to use it to protect themselves when getting back on stage by abusing invincibility, and with this, they can go deep off stage for an edge-guard, Up-B and then use the grenade/multi-jumps to get back.
>apeshit over Hero
I know, but they would have went more crazy for Slime as he was more requested. And if you believe Bayo got on because of the ballot than you're a moron. You can literally see the official ballot results and Bayo is not on a single one.
cringe
I think Banjo biggest strength is his weight, he can afford to trade hits or risk some plays. Banjo has potential, we just have to wait and see.
show me the results, im curious.
>Down + B has kazooie showing her butt with the tail out of the way
jesus fuck
I haven't played as him yet but fighting him and from what I've seen in tournaments, he's REALLY strong, but doesn't seem to be straight up broken like Joker or Hero. He looks really fun to play. All in all, by far and away my favorite DLC character so far.
Seriously, fighting Joker recently, it's just hit me again after coming back to the game how fucking stupid he is.
So what do you guys think?
kuroganehammer.com
Slow attacks over all but not bad either.
Good weight, good fall speed, good run speed but horrible air speed
You retards were talking about boring ass moves like his butt bounce or his breegul bash. Banjo's moves come from his games. Not Sakurai's fault Banjo has boring ass moveset potential beyond transforming into a termite or some stupid shit that no other smash character does.
Are you aware that comes originally from the games, right? Egg Firing was able to do in the front to shoot stright, or make them bounce behind them.
And be grateful that they changed the sound when she pulls out an egg, in Banjo Kazooie/Tooie it had a farting sound...
>moves from Banjo-Tooie (Breegull Bash and Beak Bayonet) are now "anime swords"
>wanting convoluted transformations instead of a pure Banjo and Kazooie tag team
>there are Banjo moveset mods and not just that 1 terrible Brawl mod of them over Mario
It's impressive how wrong you are.
Slime was a “noo I don’t want an anime sword” request from people that don’t like DQ.
DQ hero wasn't a popular choice because everyone liked different games and protagonist but as a whole they did want a DQ rep. Slime whoever was a bad pick, i'm glad they went with Hero and his alts.
>be grateful
I was hoping for that sound to still be there
Good you think it’s terrible does this mean you will stop spamming every fucking thread with this shit now?