I cant believe a Nuts & Bolts reference made it in

>This car game with as driving is good
Based and brave contrarian

I really liked it. Was the closest thing to a modern day lego racer.

I enjoyed making penis carts.

that was probably the nail in the coffin
you can't expect to get fans into a new thing if you shit all over them for missing the old thing at the same time

Ass driving*

I’m interested in playing it solely to see what the hub Bub was about. I mean it at least kinda looks pretty

It's a gorgeous game.

I am probably on the 1% that actually liked and played the game. Building different shit to tackle the objectives was actually fun. I specially liked the crazy shit people came up with.

Should have been its own game instead of slapping the banjo IP on it and maybe there would not be so much hate for it.

Have you played previous banjo games? Banjoland is best level.

It was funky but not totally awful.
People didn't like it because it wasn't a B&K game and the intro of the game literally went out of it's way to insult the former fans of the series and say that no one wanted a game like B&K anymore and they were stupid if they did.

Yeah of course. Even the GBA one

you made a typo, you lost the argument kid

>Car game with bad driving
>Good game
Pick one

I liked the vehicle building system in the game, but the missions are what made the game "just ok." I think a sequel like they wanted to make would've probably been better. But yeah it wasn't a banjo game at all, and while personally I enjoyed some of the meta jokes they had directly referencing the game's own status, it also left a sour taste in my mouth, and I think peoples' mouth in general. The whole idea is that when you beat the game, you "get your moves back" for the official third game. But because Nuts and Bolts didn't sell well (who woulda thunk a banjo game that's not a banjo game wouldn't sell well, let alone on a platform their games were never on before) they ended up not even trying for Banjo 3. At least we got the BK/BT remasters, but even those didn't seem to do banjo 3 any favors.

But who knows, with his inclusion in Smash maybe that'll drum up some much needed excitement for Banjo. I think Rare can make Banjo 3, though obviously it won't be the same now that everyone's gone (as NaB wasn't). I don't know, maybe if they partner up with Playtonic or something, but even they didn't do such a great job with Yooka-Laylee...

Biggest issue with nuts and bolts was that most of the levels were empty as fuck and way too large. They should have spent more time packing in details because there's a skeleton of a good game there

It's great, until you realize how little Banjo flavor there actually is in the game, and how little your car design actually matters.

Also, the game was made during a weird, sneering
>We know what gamers want, and it's not what they wanted five years ago
phase, which REALLY dates it. The intro to the game was almost entirely
>You don't *really* want to play Banjo-Threeie, do you?
Which is a sentiment that has not aged well.

its kinda like how DmC was for devil may cry. The main fans didnt like it and it wasn't as good as the better games in the main series but it was still an ok game on its own.

Nuts & Bolts is the Crash of the Titans of the series. Familiar faces, different game. Not even a spin-off, more like a hijack.
Good or bad doesn't really matter here. It's something you don't recognize, masquerading as your favourite game series.

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>>You don't *really* want to play Banjo-Threeie, do you?

You guys got Yukaa Laylee and you guys didn't liked that either. Proves their point.

I pick Burnout Paradise, so both

Nuts and bolts kinda shows that it was made a car game late in development, and it has performance issues even when considering it's a console game.
If it got delayed it probably wouldn't have been as bad but it had to make launchish for the 360

N&B's awfulness might be exaggerated, especially if you compare it to other, legitimately putrid games in the same genre coming out at around the same time (like Sonic 2006), but it's still not a good game by any stretch of the imagination, and a huge plummet in quality from Kazooie and Tooie.

There's nothing wrong with a build-your-own-vehicle simulator. There isn't even anything technically wrong with slapping Banjo on it (even though it's weird). But there IS something wrong with having a vehicle simulator where the vehicle controls are garbage and the game is full of empty, boring levels.

Yukaa Laylee did good enough that it got a spin-off and is getting a second game though? Don't believe Yea Forums's shit posting about how the general public feels about it

Cursed taunt.

>Don't believe Yea Forums's shit posting about how the general public feels about it

Which now proves the point of hating on N&B for no reason.

Imagine hating this.

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N&B isn't really liked outside of Yea Forums though and did poorly enough that it basically killed the series. It's not the same at all.

>it basically killed the series

But it didn't?

There hasn't been a BK game, sure. But people still love the shit out of Banjo. Same reason why he got on Smash.

Killing the series =/= killing people's interest in the character, user.
This isn't really a hard concept.

Crash of the Titans was legitimately entertaining and funny, albeit pretty short

Nah, that's like saying Mega Man 10 killed the series. Just because there was a gap doesn't mean the game killed it, Microsoft did. Nuts and Bolts sold millions and attained Platinum Hits status.

remember?
youtube.com/watch?v=ktg3PSYeSDM

i wish i didnt

It's the 2nd best game in the series.
Most people who dislike it are brainlets who got their opinion from an old Jontron video. Playing it nowadays, it's more enjoyable than Tooie for me.

Jesus fucking christ this is a fan made trailer made by Rare Witch Project, not an official trailer, stop fucking acting like it is.

Yooka Laylee was alright just unfocused

Hat in Time is focused but short

Imagine if they combined the two

There's also the fact that we finally got a Banjo game after 8 years, it's a mediocre carbuilding game that actively shits on Banjo fans, then we never got a Banjo game again. That definitely ups the butthurt.

>IT’S FAN MADE WHICH AUTOMATICALLY SHIFTS THE BLAME OH WAIT NOT IT FUCKING DOESN’T

Panoots made a good video review of the game, you should check it out.
I think if the game used the Blast Corps IP instead of Banjo it would have been much better received. Or if they adjusted the story so that the vehicles were necessary in defeating Grunty instead of being shoved in via deus ex machina it would be more liked. Maybe add some shock absorbers so every vehicle didn't feel like a shopping cart with an engine. Those are some options. Overall I'm glad the game exists even if it didn't believe in itself.

Jesus imagine being this pissy over Kinect Sports.

this is the best explanation of the situation

>Hero has 3 alts with different voice actors and a shit ton of spells

>Banjo is a basic character with only a special side b that can be gimped by grabbing and only usable 5 times per stock

>No Dragon kazooie alt.

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>i cant believe a Nuts & Bolts reference made it in
N&B still a B&K game you know

GUH HUH desu yo

I joined the official Rare forum for N&B, pre-ordered the game even after the teaser trailer lied to people and did every mission but not 100%.

I can say with fact that people who say its really good or possibly better than other banjo games are out of their mind. The awful boss fights, repetitive mission structure, ugly artstyle. Would rather play grunty's revenge not even joking.

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Banjo also got 7 new remixes. Not every character needs to be gimmicky

true, the game was entertaining but for some reason they made the game short, probably because cttr only sold 1 million so they didnt give a shit and made the game short

Now this is a bad opinion

All the budget went into Yuusha.

>No Dragon kazooie alt.
The only real crime
It's a contrarian opinion so of course people are going to try and say it's amazing.

Really fun game, reminded me a lot of Diddy Kong Racing

Feels so good bros

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It wasn't bad. The game is actually pretty good but it wasn't a collect-a-ton like the previous Banjo games so it got good reviews from journos but it wasn't well recieved by the fans. Now people have accepted that it is a good game but not a good Banjo game.

Kill it with fire

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Its the latter. In fact it is unanimously agreed upon by many in the fandom that it should've been a new IP and not a Banjo Kazooie game.

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I’m honestly surprised one of my most (you)’d comments was actually about videogames

Sometimes

Sometimes Yea Forums

You alright

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6 or 7/10 game in general
2/10 compared to the previously BK games

About what I thought

You'll like it if you're not a fan of Banjo, Banjo fans go out of their way to make this game Hitler even though they never played it. I think it's pretty good and deserves a sequel.

Since the building system is based on cubes, and Microsoft owns both Banjo-Kazooie and Minecraft, do you think that could make a Minecraft Nuts n Bolts the would act as a spiritual successor? That would be an IP actually popular with kids and it would fit the aesthetic.

It's the best game of its genre. That genre is just nothing like Banjo Kazooie.
Fuck the vast majority of the pre-built missions though. But really the game is excellent and way better than most of the replies replying to your post implies.

the 2nd best Banjo game is the Grunty's Revenge

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Banjo got a bunch of brand new remixes and the Spiral Mountain stage is one of the biggest love letters to BK fans I’ve ever seen.

I kind of like how BK got a simple move set as well, makes them feel like they were designed back in Melee, y’know?

>That mission where you race on ice with the shitty standard wheels.

How are you going to include references to the final boss fight of Kazooie both in his announcement trailer AND his final smash, but not include the music from it. Final Battle not being in there is the only thing that prevents their inclusion form being perfect.

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2nd best mainline game.
S&SASR>Banjo Pilot>Grunty's Revenge>Kazooie>Nuts & Bolts>Tooie

Man, the tooie meme hate is so overblown these days.

>a Minecraft Nuts n Bolts
That would be genuinely fantastic, and Microsoft are stupid for not investing in this.

Now this is the most contrarian opinion I've seen of the series

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Nuts and Bolts was fun as fuck.
It just wasn't what people wanted.

I don't hate Tooie, I just prefer the GBA game to it
my list would be
>Kazooie
>GR
>Tooie
>DKR if that counts
>the rest

It was kinda OK but mostly boring. The funnest thing was the vehicle creation.

My only issue with Nuts & Bolts was the garbage artstyle. Should have stuck with the old designs.

The actual building mechanic though? Wonderful.

I really liked it as I didnt have any nostaliga for Bajo going in

low quality bait, but also true simply because the other two games are trash

You're implying I'm saying Tooie is bad.
I'm not. It's just the least-good one in the series. It's the least confident in itself. It's like an early 2000's Sonic game - it doesn't want to rely on the main gameplay, so it shoves in shit like fps sections and the same "hit the red/green/blue targets" minigame every world.

It was a meh game,but picture this:
>You are a big fan of a fighting game
>it has been years since the last release
>devs tease a sequel
>you get hyped as fuck
>gameplay trailer drops, turns out the fighting game sequel is now a puzzle game
How would you react user?

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If side special had unlimited usage it would be broken. What BK needs is a longer timer on grenade, ability to cancel the endlag of neutral b and maybe a better sweet spot ftilt.

Nuts and Bults is honestly a perfectly fine game, but it was the last thing people needed after the buyout and hiatus.

blame Keep Saying It

please go back to plebbit

>He wanted Banjo to be a gimmicky, clunky piece of shit like Hero

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mostly people mad it wasn't threeie and parroting jontron

Pretty sure JonTron even said in his review it wasn't a bad game per say but was just a cash grab

It's not a good game. It's fun to design a car but it's not fun to then take that car and do really obnoxious shitty challenges with it in enormous empty worlds. The only part of the game that's ok is going around the hub world and exploring, overall it's just a bad game made worse because of them slapping Banjo-Kazooie on it.

Anyone who plays Kazooie and Tooie back to back can figure out that Tooie is fucking bloated as shit and the moment to moment gameplay suffers greatly due to the fuckhuge levels and inconsistency in the amount of effort required to get a Jiggy. Fuck the gates where levels interconnect. Tooie does a lot of really cool shit both thematically and mechanically, but it just does not come together as a satisfying whole.

Full tard

But that's wrong you fucking retard

Nuts & Bolts >>>>>>>>>> Tooie.

>you MUST eat shit before you can even fathon telling me that shit tastes bad
Based retard

Reminder that Nuts and Bolts is better and has much more SOUL than Tooie

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>per say

What's so "trash" about BK and BT?

>hurr!
YL was a retread of the first BK game with all of its problems even more apparent. You shitposters really make it obvious.

He didn't play it as a kid

Nuts and Bolts is a good game, it's just not what people wanted at the time

This but unironically

Nothing I said was wrong. The best thing about Banjo-Kazooie was how densely the levels were packed with activities. When you spread those activities across such a massive area it kind of shines a spotlight on the fact that Banjo is not as intrinsically fun to control as Mario in Mario 64.

As others have said, it should have been an original IP like Viva Pinata. It wasn't amazing but it wasn't nearly as dogshit as some people would have you believe. A lot of the problems in the first game could have been fixed in a TiP sequel which will never ever happen now.

Not bait. I was being serious.

Megaman 10 sold better than N&B

>Banjo is not as intrinsically fun to control as Mario in Mario 64.
Poor thing has brain damage.

>Nuts and Bolts sold millions
>attained Platinum Hits status
>millions
you need only 400k sales to hit platinum hit.

>Tooie
>worst than N&B
Not sure if contrarian or bait

It wasn’t good

Not him, but mario is a lot more intuitive to control than Banjo. Not saying is better or worst.

Banjo ftilt is a very very good poking tool, I don't really feel like it needs changing

If the game was some kind of spin-off or completely didn't have banjo and kazooie and was refined better, it could have been a fun game.

But yeah, it was pretty bad.

How is Banjo less intuitive? Once you learn everything you can do some fun acrobatics with him.

The vehicle creation in Nuts and Bolts is second to none. Gameplay-wise, the game is extremely unique and it's executed really well. The game is great for children, I remember making vehicles from other games which functioned the same as they did in the games they came from. I remember making the Death Egg Robot from Sonic 2, which could actually walk and fly around.
But it was released at a bad time - the last Banjo related game was released in 2005 (Banjo Pilot), the last collectathon in 2003 (Grunty's Revenge) and the last console game in 2000.
If it was released alongside a platformer Banjo game it would have been much better received.

The latter. It’s a solid game really.

Remember they also referenced the Virtual Boy during the direct. They're not ashamed of failure.

>stupid quiz boss
>when BK had essentially the same thing
It didn't even mention the clunky, tacked-on FPS segments

Even if you subtracted BK from the equation, the actual gameplay and controls felt half-assed and the worlds kinda hit-or-miss. The ugly character design didn't help either. But I will say the vehicle concept was solid, gave me the same vibes Armored Core did, and I loved the Showdown Town hubworld.

But yeah, it was a bad way to bring the series back.

It was OK but the mission structure made regular exploration nearly pointless and most of the mechanics/weapons were arbitrary and served little purpose. The game design surrounding building vehicles and using them was weak that it all felt like a novelty and not well thought out.

Viva Pinata and Kameo were definitely the better Microsoft Rare games.

At the very least, The Impossible Maze looks to be legitimately great.

Yes.

>People citing Jontron
People back then hated it because it wasn't a follow-up to Banjo-Tooie gameplay wise. Grunty teasing Threeie was the biggest kick in the nuts I ever felt after loving the fuck out of Tooie. This comic in that same year explains it perfectly.

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Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo is great though, but I get what you mean.