ITT: Elder God Tier combat

I don't have time to argue with a tranny when it says God Hand has punching bad enemies

youtu.be/Gp3m4etUeEk

God Hand's problem in higher difficulty levels is that it becomes all about baiting a block and using a guard break, and because enemies block so soon and they break out of a guard so quickly you basically just do like a jab, duck cancel and a guard break until you've broken their guard and do the same thing with like every enemy.

>HURRR MY INFINITE JUGGLE ON RETARDS
I hate platinum/suda niggers. Fucking braindead retards.

What's wrong? Enemies don't flash a big counter symbol above their head before every attack?

None of the webms posted in this thread have anything like that, what are you on about?

or you counter a move with charge punch or a kick move to setup up a punish and crowd control. it takes practice.

>God Hand
>Virgil
>"braindead punching bags"

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God Hand is the only game of the three that has aggressive enemies and yet what are the clips that get posted without fail? epic combos of people doing the shoryuken
5 Vergil is easy even on DMD, like really you can just run away from him while jumping to avoid all his attacks.

I take it you missed the very first reply to this thread?

Why do character action games make haters seethe so much?

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The one GH webm in this thread features:
>A perfectly timed kick that hits the thot just as she drops her guard
>An uppervut that is timed with nearly frame-perfect precision to catch her just when she's about to hit her, which counters her move and knocks her in the air ( an especially risky move since the uppercut is not shielded from her kicks, and he would've gotten hit if he had been a split second slower
>Two ebin shoryoukens and a launcher kick to punish
I did, admittedly. Yet that is one webm out of five.
>

why is it always the fucking same clips

It reminds them they suck and they can't deal with that

*catch her just when she's about to hit him

Any future "action games with good combat" to look forward to?

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When I think of Elder God tier combat, I think of the player getting absolutely overwhelmed on all sides by plenty of aggressive, witty enemies, where the player can only just survive by the skin of their teeth while still employing creative methods of attack. Like a Jackie Chan fight scene.

Bayo 3 :^)

>When I think of Elder God tier combat, I think of the player getting absolutely overwhelmed on all sides by plenty of aggressive, witty enemies
Ah, I see.
Yeah, then you have a point people should post webms from Mike Kob's Hard Mode Hitless playthrough. That's peak GH right there.

>When I think of Elder God tier combat, I think of the player getting absolutely overwhelmed on all sides by plenty of aggressive, witty enemies, where the player can only just survive by the skin of their teeth while still employing creative methods of attack. Like a Jackie Chan fight scene.

READ: "I want fucking Batman combat where I can hop over enemies and counter their attacks with a 1 button QTE animation when the glowy thing pops over their head.

I think you mean
>let me keep this enemy in the air so they can do absolutely nothing while I sit there and do flashy moves that do no damage

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Try Overgrowth.

Dump your God Hand shit user

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what do you want? an "I win" button

its the only game with this style of combat i really enjoyed
i played both mgr and bayonetta before and they werent that good
i wonder how devil may cry games hold up compared to this

On the other hand, it's exactly why it IS good combat
>I know the game well enough and have the mechanical skill required to keep a foe locked in a combo string to avoid their retaliation
This can apply not only to action games, but strategy and turn based RPG are less flashy and require more knowledge of the game on the viewer's part to properly appreciate what goes on with those, with the most extreme example being MOBAs: anyone that hasn't spent a few hundred hours playing them can look at a (supposedly) high-level play and only see a mess of particle effects, while more seasoned players will understand exactly what goes on in them

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>like really you can just dodge the attacks
is that really possible in ana action game?

Go to your local, user, learn what I'm talking about.

It's effortless to break that game with jumpkicks. The ridiculously long jumps ruin the combat.

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I love it when someone gets so good at a game that it LOOKS effortless when they play, so when people who aren't familiar with the game see it, they go
"Oh that looks easy, the enemy hardly gets a chance to attack!" because every time the enemy tries to get an attack in they get effortlessly countered, like in

no seriously just move away from vergil while mashing jump. would you call that dodging? i would call skillfully weaving from an opponent's jab just centimeters away to be more what I think of when I think of elder god tier dodging

Read: I want other enemies to have the aggression to actually fucking interrupt me when I'm busy styling on one guy without there being an universal dodge/parry button to allow me to effortlessly i-frame through everything. Like, traditional 2D beat 'em ups understood this.

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Godhand is a forced meme. That one nigger v reviewer with the epic reddit fags funding his porno made this shitty game game blow up again.

I have literally met no one who actually likes it nost people from here ive spoken to say they only pretend too because pretending to like Godhand and Doom is basically culture.

what other game you can do shit like this?

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I really should save webms of my favorite games (or learn to make some even though I'm not that good since I don't see many people making webms for Devastation in 2019). Anyway my Top 5 is NG Black, Wonderful 101, DMC5, TF Devastation, & Aztez right now. Aztez gives you the groups of aggressive enemies like in NG with the combo options of a DMC, but makes your combo length and variety matter due to blood absorption and sacrifices as well as positioning on the stage since it's a 2D game.

That God Hand webm is literally the player going in, reacting to the enemy blocking him, and instead of just throwing out a guard break reacting to their counter-attack after blocking his kick with an attack that avoids theirs. Their combo is also three universal moves (two uppercuts and the kick) that do pretty good damage, so nothing about what you said is correct.

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and last one
i need more god hand webms/gifs

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God Hand had a cult following for years before your zoomer reviewer talked about it. Hell, he was a highly requested pick for MVC3 at one point.

A lot of enemies can air escape and reversal. That is just a common one that also happens to have more hp than others.

>this video is from 2010
>youtube.com/watch?v=t8-ZQV6KqPI

I would appreciate more webms where you weave and duck through enemies without being in Godhand mode, and show off proper crowd control techniques.

I like MH combat, not sure where that fits in the tier list.

>i haven't played the game, but i'm qualified to act like an expert on it
typical Yea Forums

Do you not like Ninja Gaiden even? You dodge and counter attack out of block all the time in that game. I'm willing to respect your opinion since you posted Once Again (why the fuck did they delay the NA release again reeee).

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I just want to call you a retard, i'm not bothering with anything else
You user, on the other hand, are a cool poppa

Did OP finally get tired of posting that Yakuza webm to bait people into replying?
Pretty sure we had this thread yesterday.

I forgot they can vault off eachother to attack

people probably started posting cool yakuza webms

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Look up webm related

> Switch exclusive
> No PC port

patrician taste
saviors is among the best in the genre

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It's on PS4 and the last game by the team came to PC after like 6 months. It's just not out for burgers and leaf yet.

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it's in the section titled "you understand nothing"

i cant watch dps after is saw the videos of the pigroach man

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That's DMC4

>You dodge and counter attack out of block all the time in that game
My issue is more with games like Bayonetta where you have a single i-frame dodge button that's the answer for EVERY ATTACK EVER. Potential enemy variety is hampered when you have a one-size-fits-all solution for their attacks already, and elements like crowd control and positioning are lessened when you can dodge cancel out of your attacks at any time with minimal commitment. The defense game is then dumbed down to pressing one button at the right time instead of threat prioritization/crowd control/spacing which typefied old 2D beat 'em ups. Those games aren't about reacting on the spot, they're more about creating a situation where you won't get interrupted by the enemy's high-speed attacks. God Hand was also good about this because it had multiple equally viable defense maneuvers on top of always putting you against multiple enemies to force you to CC properly.

I don't mind it in DMC since that game is all about styling on enemies so naturally enemies are more of a punching bag, and I haven't ever played NGB so I can't comment on that, but otherwise such a reliance on i-frames has a tendency to homogenize enemy/boss design.

It's on PS4 too (for Nippon). PC port should (hopefully) come at a later date

yeah i uploading a shit ton of webms in a bulk
MH are the last ones, give me a minute

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>floats for the few first seconds

Garbage game from a garbage series

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oh silly me i can change the order

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> Classic MH and not Monster Zoomer: World

Based user

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my toaster cant run world. i wish i could play it
it looks fun

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tfw Frontier gets an English patch months before the game gets taken offline

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Suzuka did nothing wrong

last one

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Yea Forums's obsession with God Hand is literally "it didn't get good reviews and didn't sell well, therefore I like it". It's a shit game Yea Forumsirgins. Have sex.

The thing about Bayo is that the enemies are aggressive in a way that encourages use of the dodge liberally (although you do get a recovery animation for too many in a short time) where the depth comes from using Offset to keep your strings intact throughout your dodging. You're basically trying to go with the flow of enemy patterns so you can pull out Wicked Weaves, add they are the crux of your score at the end. Bayo is definitely not my favorite in the genre for multiple reasons but I can resurrect the unique take even if I like DMC and NG more, as they sit in the extremes Bayo straddles.

Personally I prefer W101 & TF Devastation which remix the basis of Bayo into something new and innovative in their own ways.

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HAYAI

too bad fighting the first three minor bosses feels like shit and you have to constantly dodge instead of getting some hits in

Dilate

two minutes of punching a bot later

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game is shit until you unlock airbender

>character action

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Try actually playing God Hand. It's the exact antithesis of what you're saying. The AI will slap your shit harder than any other game out there if you don't play perfectly.

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And it never got a sequel.

better combat than the reboot

Based, good combat is fluid movement and pinpoint hotboxes that let you dodge and bob and weave all around your opponent, taking advantage of weakpoints and openings and avoiding all their attacks by doding, rolling, jumping and ducking
not hitting some fucking thing over and over with flashy effects and sped up animations hiding how shitty it all is and how the hitboxes don't even work

yeah everything feels week till you get all the bending powers
thats why I always drop the game

neither did citzen kane

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Yes it did imdb.com/title/tt8714042/

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70+ years later
so there is still time for godhand

Godhand is a forced meme. That one nigger v reviewer with the epic reddit fags funding his porno made this shitty game game blow up again.

I have literally met no one who actually likes it nost people from here ive spoken to say they only pretend too because pretending to like Godhand and Doom is basically culture...

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My biggest problem with character action games is that you have to finish them a bunch of times before you're even allowed to touch the higher difficulty settings. It honestly feels patronizing.

Also, the shitty camera systems in so many of them. I don't know why they struggled so much with camera considering other games have had perfectly functional camera systems since the late 90's/early 2000's.

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so instead of giving the newfag baiter (you)'s thank the anons dumping webms

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>God Hand 2
>16k fully haptic VR 200hz display on my PS11
hype

Severely underrated game
It's training mode, the enemy design is actually really good

hey hey people

>they are the crux of your score at the end.
So what you're saying is that you don't even need to play well to get through the game, and that the only difference your play style makes is some arbitrary score at the end.

This is not good design.

>modded game

fag

>dodging requires you to move away
Yes that is correct, the dodge in DMC is the jump. Is that too complicated for you or something?

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>shines light on old games
>to Le Edgy reddit fags

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Game?

there's no mod there though

>DUDE EXPLOSIONS LMAO
I'm still triggered over Mentor and Master Ninja in 2. Even 3RE wasn't nearly as bad about it.

that has to be tool assisted right? im pretty sure RG has a built in anti spam mechanism and this dude is hammering that shit like theres no tomorrow, someone help me out here

>So what you're saying is that you don't even need to play well to get through the game
Yeah. you could also play on easy, like the faggot you are and be done with it.

>Yeah. you could also play on easy, like the faggot you are and be done with it.
That's not remotely the same thing and you know it. The score at the end doesn't change the challenge you face, whereas the difficulty setting does.

If you mash against a multihit attack you will block it and gain insane style (assuming you properly time the first press)

youre right dude, god hand was unknown on Yea Forums until sseth made that video a couple of months ago :)

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So you just want a choreographed movie to look at, not an actual game to be played and mastered

>Faint
No.

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Sure it does, the score tells you how shit you were. And the difficulty is hard in the hardest difficulty, and forces you to use the most important mechanics it offers.
If you don't care about the score then that's fine, there's still a challenge to the game.

It's excellent design because it means players who find it easy have something to strive for on top of just beating the game.

Yeah but that looks like he's hitting a perfect RG every frame

It's possible if you just tried it yourself

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He's not, he timed the first one and then just mashed the button. I've done it before on Cerberus' icicle spam attack

wait I actually like doom though, and I wish hexen 2 multiplayer worked in modern times so I could play with friends

Sounds like you want Bayonetta.
>My issue is more with games like Bayonetta where you have a single i-frame dodge button that's the answer for EVERY ATTACK EVER.
There's a Royal Guard maneuver which rewards skillful play by giving you the longest Witch Time possible. Bayonetta is the perfect mix of NG and DMC.
>The defense game is then dumbed down to pressing one button at the right time instead of threat prioritization/crowd
m8 I would love to see your pure platinum Bayonetta run if you think the single button dodge of Bayonetta dumbs down the experience in any way.

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Pure platinum hard mode run* fuck me.

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You might enjoy Astral Chain then, since the dodge is kind of shit and proper positioning is encouraged. Somebody posted this earlier and it shows how the various defensive options work
imgur.com/a/vL4edct
There are a ton of non-action segments too though and your mileage may vary on those.

Bayo has fun combat but aside from the aesthetics, everything else about the game is a total drag.

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Assault Spy

I'd rather they spent money on giving a more varied moveset than creating the missile and motorcycle sequences, but besides those moments I dunno what you'd consider a drag. Maybe the Cereza escort, but that's over in 5 minutes and doesn't really shy away from the core combat besides that one Crash Bandicoot segment.

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shit these are great, color me impressed

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I mean all the platforming, the puzzles, and the large bosses. Also I really hate the writing.

is dragons dogma worth a try?

The early puzzles are geared towards teaching you how combat and Witch Time work. Later puzzles aren't really puzzles at all. More like combat exhibitions and spinning a lever. Platforming is later mitigated by the panther form allowing you to speed through everything. Nothing to do about your disdain for large bosses and writing. Sorry you can't enjoy a top 3 action game, user.

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play it, its great once you get past the escort quest to gran soren

>top 3
Play Ninja Gaiden already

Alright ill give it a shot, been itching for a good rpg. Ill wait for a sale

Only one I'm interested in is II, but that's 360 exclusive. Besides, pure platinuming Bayonetta will take a long, long time.

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Yes. It excels more as an action game than an RPG, the options each vocation has are varied and fun (except Mage which is just a support class for Pawns, and Warrior despite being one of the most fun is kind of gimped compared to the remaining 7). The climbing system adds a lot and the ranged classes have enough cool shit to justify not using it much. It takes like an hour to 90 minutes to get past the intro stuff and the oxcart escort to get to Gran Soren (unless you explore Cassardis first) but then you get a lot of stuff opened up. There's also a lot of interesting stuff going on in the world but it's all late/post-game so I'll leave it at that.

Again, the RPG elements are among the weaker aspects barring the dungeons being the peak of gameplay (especially Bitterblack) due to an odd damage calculation system and how few worthwhile quests there are (maybe 3 solid sidequest lines and a couple singular sidequests of relevance). It's still one of my favorite games though.

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>i wish i could play it
>it looks fun
Unbased user, kys.

>Only one I'm interested in is II
Why? The original is one of the best action games ever made when it comes to having great combat AND great game design. You can even get Sigma for PS3 and not miss out on much outside of costumes and ROMs unlike Sigma 2 that drastically changes the base game for the worse.

did you even read his post

brainlet

>Why?
The guts, glory, and speed is appealing.
>The original is one of the best action games ever made when it comes to having great combat AND great game design
>Besides, pure platinuming Bayonetta will take a long, long time.
I'm not really one for just trying out game after game, more so in reference to action games. 90% of those people clambering for a DMC5 didn't platinum 4, let alone 100% 3. Case in point was all those cocksucking V faggots who spammed all the DMC5 threads post-launch.

Thanks for the feedback, excited to see what the classes look like. Not usually a mage kind of guy but i think ill fuck around with that for a new game.

It may take a little too long to kill basic enemies, but bend over

Mage really is the worst class for an Arisen (your player character) since it's mostly there for heals and imbuing weapons with elements. It's one of the starting three though, so pick it if you want to branch out into other magic vocations. Sorcerer casts the big ass offensive spells, Mystic Knight gets to do some multi-elemental Paladin shit while also having access to a Mage's staff instead of a sword or mace if he wants, and Magick Archers are just batshit insane for what they're able to do (besides all the wild arrow varieties, you can just light yourself on fire and jump onto giant monsters to stab them with your daggers while lighting them up).

>Magick Archers
bitches

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Shit sounds sick, prob pick up tonight and grab a six pack

that one doesnt have anything to do with "skill". literally everyone can do this

yes, literally everyone with skill can do this

I played sorcerer in my first DA playthrough and was a bit disappointed. Its a lot of holding down buttons until your spell activates. Not super engaging, even if the spells are neat.

I'd highly recommend Magick Archer. Its what I 100% the game with.

no you kys, monster hunter world is a good game you fucking contrarian

>You can avoid the boss's attacks by running and pressing the dodge button! It even works on the hardest difficulty!

is that FU? sorry never played much MH

Keep in mind you can switch Vocations whenever you're at the Inn, and you should experiment with all of them; you'll get a more even stat growth for your early levels and you'll get to unlock each vocation's Augments, which you can equip no matter what you switch to. Warrior is lower-tier but the Augments that boost STR and increase your carrying capacity are useful.

not him but if you don't give 2 shits about style points the Vergil fight is literally just running in circles while waiting for him to do one of those attacks that puts him in a stupidly long animation after where you can wombo combo him.

Because that will never exist

The claw grip

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>Vergil fight is literally just running in circles
As long as he requires you to move in some shape or form, I don't see the problem.
>while waiting for him to do one of those attacks that puts him in a stupidly long animation
Or you could just attack him Instead of wasting time jumping like a dumb rabbit.

Now THIS is reddit shit.

That could either Dos or Frontier. It looks too good to be Freedom Unite.

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>index finger on d-pad

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>he press more buttons so its good

stand aside you DMC zoomers

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>Replies:178
>Posters:66
The number of retarded complaints about nothing in this thread has to be about half of the posts. Maybe it actually is time to find a new site.

>As long as he requires you to move in some shape or form, I don't see the problem.
jesus fuck your standards are so low they're in the mariana trench.

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that's fucking great

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>zoomers
why, for fucks sake why does this board have such an obsession with zoomers or boomers or doomers or whatever the fuck you want to call them? shouldnt any prejudices disappear with the the whole anonymity thing? its the same with the console war shit. "oh i guess you dont like this game cause you're a nintendo/playstation/xbox fan, keep seething hurr durr". fuck it man

True even high level players guard break spam because it's impossible to actually react with it in time.

boomer-posting is funny, pipe down son adults are shitposting here.

sorry, beat em up

I find all these action games really cool even though I only play MH. DMC webms are the only ones where the enemies are helpless and they just get whacked to death. In every "pro" stream of DMCV that happens too to every enemy except bosses so I can't say I like DMC combat that much, which in comparison in bayo the enemies always have something that can fuck you up and break your combo, forcing you to dodge. Just my pleb opinion though.

DMCfags are also the ones that get really defensive when people criticize their games in these threads but they bitch so much about how other games aren't as good as muh DMC.

rent free

>chink game

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Based ninja gaiden chad

i really do love the I don't give a shit Devil may cry webms from all the games

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Why can't all remakes be like Once Again? I'd kill for this kind of remake for Alien Soldier and Battle Circuit.

why do black weebs make such good friends to white dueds

>if you don't give 2 shits about style points
then you're playing the game wrong

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>No MGR anywhere
Plebs

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>punching bags"
Don't you get tired of posting this exact same shit every time these games are posted you fuckwit?

i dont get it
empire state buildings? what?

I got it physical for PS4.

Are you retarded

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>throwing sand
Very dishonoraburu, enjoy not facing the final boss

>That fucking corrupted pawn in BBI that spawns the twister spell out of nowhere
Every single playthrough he has to get me.

3RE was decent, Not on the level of Black, but vastly better than the genre peers.

People love making imaginary teams and then pretending to be angry about them.

Hey lads, I just got NI-OH the other day on a whim, but I haven't played it because of other games and Iceborne. Anyone got some webms so I can get the feeling of the combat?

>DMCfags are also the ones that get really defensive when people criticize their games in these threads but they bitch so much about how other games aren't as good as muh DMC.
I won't say this doesn't happen but there's just as many people that shit on "muh sandbags" and their net casts wider than DMC as evidenced by the user in this thread implying that God Hand is some sort of braindead game.

i am playing Control right now and combat is pretty sweet. I can stream it and show you guys if ya want

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>not a single vinductus webm.
I'm sad. That and monster hunter's combat are the only games that tickle my autism.
I quit vindictus a while ago because of the end game grind of upgrading/enchanting your weapon with 0.5-1% chance and then breaking it and then repairing it for half of the month's work to repeat the process all over again.

Dumb anime shit

You're thinking of Yakuza

I have a fetish for evil female enemies.

because the latter make the best bottoms

HOLY EPIC !!! AWESOME SAUCE MODE: ACTIVATED!!! KILL KILL KILL KILL YAAAASSSSS QUEEEEEEENN SLAAAAAAYYYY !!!!

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>Like, traditional 2D beat 'em ups understood this.
Traditional 2D Beat 'em ups understood this, but used it for evil intent to rape you of your quarters, which is why you get shit like 0-frame startup command throws on wakeup from bosses starting from stage 1 in games like Final Fight and TMNT and Battletoads. Modern 2D Beat 'em ups APPEAR to do this less often, but the reality of it is that you usually just have more defensive options, like blocks and parries.

3D Beat 'em ups like God Hand understand this and add an element of fairness into the system, in that enemies are less aggressive if they aren't on screen, and less "fuck you gimmie that quarter bitch" moves with no telegraphing.

Also, enemies in God Hand will absolutely hit you out of combos. What you aren't realizing is a lot of advanced combos in God Hand will incorporate moves that "dodge" while they're attacking (they avoid hits in certain areas) or guard breakers, because enemies will often start guarding after 2-3 hits into a string.