Underrail

Max DEX or max PER for a pistol focused build?

PER

Dex.
Ultimately you'll want to push enough dex to hit your ap breakpoints for your weapons of choice then put whatever is left into Per but you don't really need to min max that hard.

Leave per at about 9, max dex then.

Something like this then with Gunslinger and Aimed Shot as the perk choices?

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so what happened with yngwar i dont get it
i saw his scales and shit next to the godman rock but apparently that wasn't him that turned into stone

I dont see much of the point of 9 agi when 4 or more points could be put into int and con for crafting and health respectively but up to you.
The guy that turned to stone is Steve, a Pirate. The monolith is Godmen tech and decided to spare the motherfucker.

How massive is the leap in difficulty between hard and dominating? Improved AI and decreased sale prices sounds great but I feel like I'd get bored if I was forced to do nothing but spam bear traps and gas grenades every fight.

Where can I get a pneumatic reloader for crossbow?

very very large
just try it

Massive.

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Don't feel bad for Leviathan cultists.

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I'd personally take 5 strength for steadfast aim and 3 int cripples the hell out of crafting. What do you want for 9 agi? If you want to do a glass cannon mobility build I'd do something like this for a build start.
With a lot of flexibility to do whatever you want and swap things out.
Wanna take grenadier earlier instead of point shot? Bump aimed shot to get opportunist early? Dump agi for more feat room and a tankier gunslinger? Et cetera - Go for it.

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nice job trapping yourself in buddy

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How do you kill this

Caltrops, poison, molotovs, poisoned gas, heart, soul, a lust for blood, and your bare hands.

I am settled on being a knife-stabby, thieving shotgun hobo for my first playthrough, but I'm confused on what my stat spread should look like. Do I want 5 will for Ripper? Or 5 intelligence for cheap shots? Dare I spread it to both? How high do I want my starting perception to be? Can I dump strength if I'm sticking strictly to knives?

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Actually meant for that to be 9 PER

>playing as a borderline anime girl instead of as a realistic depiction of a beautiful zoner woman
i hope youre not doing this user

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>aggro dog
>dog immediately steps on mine I didn't know was there and alerts every single mutie in the area with it

literally everyone's school lunch-lady

That? A zoner? Pipeworker, where would a fine lady of the zone get that much food?

Every Sovereign combat shotgun I find has lower damage than my Vindicator. Is burst supposed to make up for this?

would sledge repeatedly

Why would a zoner be fat?

Sidbly beudifug.

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>Implying i don't go FULL animu girl and go Kyaa~ when i lvl up
Pleb

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>this fucking zoner not knowing what the word "zoner" means
bre

>but I'm confused on what my stat spread should look like. Do I want 5 will for Ripper? Or 5 intelligence for cheap shots?
You might want both, Shotguns are fairly low maintenance weapons and you only really need Sixth Shell, Leading Shot and Fragmented Chaos for them to be good, all of which need just 9 PER and enough gun points, the rest should go into DEX given how you want to use knives.
>How high do I want my starting perception to be
At the very least 7.
>Can I dump strength if I'm sticking strictly to knives?
No because your shotguns need a minimum of 5 STR to work, if not 6 if you want certain combat shotguns and/or investing in Full Auto, which needs 7 STR.

Don't spread yourself too thin on a first playthrough. Either be a knife stabber OR a shotgunner.

My man, she the cook for the ENTIRE DROP ZONE bre. Look at that complexion, this bitch has atleast five buckets of soup stored in the back and cooks for the whole slum and atleast one chopped up zoner who tried to steal her cut into cubes. That right there? Prime waifu material. You could arm her with a fucking tommy gun or a rolling pin, that hot mamma could zone you out with the efficiency of a Godmen.

Cheap Shots will be very good for that build. Never tried Ripper

These are exactly the parameters I needed, thanks meng.

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Alright this is it. This is going to be my build. No more doubts. I'll roll a armored grenade-throwing wizard who plants mines in the middle of combat. It'll definitely work. Nothing can go wrong.

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>first time playing today
>start on hard since i'm a salty spitoon kind of guy
>kill the rats in the caves while almost dying a few times because of personal mistakes
>difficult, but possible by the looks of it
>nowhere else to go but the junkyard
>psibeatles are literally impossible
handgun build with basic equipment and skills with 5 con and high dex and even 9 in per
wat am i doing wrong?
i plan on doing a light armour dodge evasion crit guy with handguns and maaaaybe grenades
wish i could do psi and handguns but by the looks of it hybrid builds aren't a thing on hard
pls help

I was told, by people like , that shotgun doesn't take much investment, and it looks like Knife doesn't either, so I felt like they would pair well since I want to sneak-stab until caught, then blast my way out.

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>psibeatles are literally impossible
did you talk to jonas

What's worse, Coil Spooders or Black Sea Spooders?

You can be a successful hybrid as long as you accept you won't be a master of either skills nor be able to get all feats for both.

the old man in the caves?
yes, but i can't remember what he said about the beatles.
i remember that he said something about them being hard but there is nothing in my possession that could confront those things except my guns.
what did i miss?
is it fun?

he tells you the strategy to fight them

I don't know, I'm about to roll a more versatile char right now. I'm betting it's fun though, the more combat options the better. You probably won't be as combat effective as a specialized build but you can still make it work.

Coils
>ranged unmissable stun
>swarms of them
>hard to even get protected for real from them or negate electrical shit
>will emp you for mass burst
>greater ones have dickloads of perception on hard, making them very fucking awfull to defeat
>only really weak to frag grenades and even then
>fucking tons of em, jesus

true hybrids are fairly stat starved and knives and shotguns like different stats. i feel like your best bet would probably be to go for a shotgun focused character with expose weakness and dirty kick on the side.

i would personally consider the following breakpoints

>5 or 7 str
shotgun req and the req for full auto if you're focusing on burst shotguns
>3 or 7 dex
for throwing/trap feats
>6 or 7 agi
sprint and interloper
>3 or 5 con
conditioning
>9+ per
this is where you pump everything left over. the lower it is the more youre going to be relying on stuns to hit anything
>3 will
>7 int
for crafting feats and bonus skill points

take versatility and only put enough points in melee to grab the feats.

shotguns are comically loud and you're going to draw the entire zone every time you shoot so your playstyle will be more about setting up before the fights and drawing enemies into traps/ambushes. if you want to do more of a true hybrid assassin kind of character, pistols would have more synergy as it's builds typically take enough dex to qualify for cut-throat and you can use silencers for stealth kills.

ok what's the strategy?
i will check it myself tomorrow but i can't think of anything else in my repertoire that could fight them
i don't have anything on me besides bullets and my handguns
and the only skills i have are the run and gun and the aim shot one

You'd be surprised at how much you can fatten up on a diet of raw sewage and dead SGS operatives.
what a sex god

Blackwater spooders, by far. The Coil Spiders are easy to stealth once you have enough stealth skill, but the new spooder caves have like a billion of them, half of them also in stealth. I end up bumping into those crawler-lites every time, without a fail.

You just know Ephraim has the skinny on where all the really banger cave molds grow.

Protectorate or Free Drones, Yea Forums?

Free Bros.

do i REALLY need any crafting points?
i'm dumping everything in
>guns
>throwing
>lockpicking
>hacking
>evasion
>dodge
and melee if i find a dex weapon since as a gunner i have high dex but strength at 5

>do i REALLY need any crafting points?
Yes.

hey newfags
play the fucking game first then come back with your retarded questions

Get fucked.

i know that crafting makes the best weapons, but aren't there really any good weapon drops from enemies or crates?
i hate crafting
what about the bullets? can i just spend money buying them or even looting
this is a video game forum, newfag

how do i shoot web

That's not how it works, newfag.

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>but aren't there really any good weapon drops from enemies or crates?
Short answer, no.
Long answer, no.
Sure, you do get something decent once in a while but any crafted piece of gear will be double if not triple of what you'll get from the field or vendors.
>inb4 but uniques
Uniques are trash, most of the time they can't even compete with drops.
>what about the bullets?
Most craftable bullets simply aren't available anywhere, neither from drops nor from vendors.

people have beaten the game without crafting, but your gear wont be anywhere near as good and finding the stuff you want from merchants can be a seriously real time consuming and expensive chore.

Just wait until the sseth review
We'll soon be filled with people that will refuse to start the game until they're spoonfed a build
We already have a couple of those in these threads but just imagine that x20

Good.

it might be annoying for a week but half of them will fuck off once they reach depot a and the other half will learn how to play

ok i'm starting a new character now
so, i want a gun build
how many points do i need in int for crafting and what type of crafts should i pick?
i have high dex. agi and per
what of those should i lower for int?

yeah bro you should at least beat the game before you ask for a build how to beat the game what are you a faggot?

Bro just restart 30 times a day to find the correct build it's not hard, get a clue!

It won't matter. For what it's worth these threads are finally slowing down, they'll be gone in a week or two anyway.

>so, i want a gun build
Which gun?

>the correct build
ask me how i know you haven't played the game yet

I fucking hate that content stealing hack so fucking much. If only he every subscriber of his could be afflicted with an infertility plague.

Pfft, there's no other eels for your bitchass to hide behind. I'm going to beat the ever living shit out of your HP bloated ass.

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I never joined the pirates do they at least have their own vehicle merchant to make up for the fact that the rig will be mad

pistol poppin nigger droppin

Which pistol type?
>inb4 all of them
No nigga, which main pistol type do you want? Choose one because most of the feats and skill needed aren't universal.

mechanics, electronics and tailoring are the main ones. chemistry is for grenades and bio is for drugs so they arent as essential for all characters.

base your stats around what feats you want and consider which ones you're willing to sacrifice. there's wiggle room but most people go 7 int.

it's really really hard to fuck up on normal difficulty
I don't want to say you could do anything but it's pretty close
if you want to shoot guns read the what the stats do and put points into that

>Which pistol type?
i recently started the game
is there a difference between handguns?
isn't it just like handguns, smgs, shotguns etc. and that handguns are a class of their own?

>7 int
my int is currently at 3 because everything else is in dex for action points, agility for dodge and evade and per for aiming
what of those three stats should i lower?
i have 5 strength and cona re at 5, can i lower strength to 3 since i won't be using any big guns?

lol, no

all they've got is some shitty ski parts

They don't, but on the bright side you don't have to make the Rig angry.

i would recommend reading through the weapon pages on the wiki

I want to do a crossbow build but I've heard they fall off hardcore in the endgame, is that true?

What the actual fuck is a sseth review? Sounds cancerous, like (you).

pls no
i wasted more than enough time in my life studying game wikis before actually playing the game
i just want some basic general tips before i start the game
just imagine that i want to use the best handguns i find that shoot normal bullets, where do i put my crafting points?
mechanical?

It's just some dude who does reviews. I don't get why it's such a big deal either, but eh.

when he did his SS13 review that game went to shit for a good couple weeks
granted that is a multiplayer game and you can easily ruin other people's experience but I think it paints a picture on how retarded his followers are

Sniper Thought-Controller dipping into other psi purely for utility (Force Field, Electrokinetic Imprint, Psycho-temporal Contraction, Thermodynamic Destabilization).
Thoughts?
I don't think I can live without Mercantile on any character ever again.

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>is there a difference between handguns?
Yep, a big one too.
You got ballistic, chemical and energy pistols.
Ballistic uses solid rounds, has access to various bullet types you can craft depending on the caliber, exploding, shocking, acid, hollow charges etc., ballistic guns also have various mod options that help with precision or ammo.
Chemical pistols use special acid/fire/freezing rounds, they excel in AoE attack and various effects like glueing zoners in one places, freezing their pipes or putting them on fire.
Energy based pistols are either laser, electric or plasma based, meaning you need batteries instead of standard ammo, they excel in batshit insane damage focused on critical procs, electric pistols also offer powerful, but tricky AoE properties and stun, not to mention effective polarization mod, which is a strong debuff if applied properly, they can also be modded for efficiency in terms of energy consumption, critical damage or special attack boost like other guns.

I'm playing through with my own version of the same thing. Left over skill point because I haven't decided if I'm throwing it somewhere, or going for improved will + locus.

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mechanical for guns
electronics for shields and energy pistols
tailoring for armour
chem for grenades and chemical guns
bio for drugs and poisons

youtube.com/watch?v=vG8RCsAEhBw

Knives and throwing knives only. Nimble and Opportunist.

How many times will I f9 this Hard run?

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was at i guess

my main thought on yours is that 14 init and 3 con might force you to reload a lot. That's why I decided to go for paranoia and stoicism with mine.

throwing knives suck so bad I feel like you'll just get fucked by anything heavily armored
poison doesn't even affect people if they resist all the mechanical damage I think

You're doing god's work, son.

Hit him with a throwing net then shoot him 3-5 times.

But... I only want to Knives...

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>STILL no mod that lets me marry Vera and fuck the spy conspiracies out of her

styg is an absolute meme boi

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checked

>steps on ur molotov
>turns hostile

you just fucking boarshot me a minute ago, you northern soft fuck, don't complain when you get a slight burn

Is there a way to get riot gear to a high enough penalty to activate Juggernaut, or do you have to fully tin can?

Lower strength to 3, up will to 5 for ripper and int to 6 for weaponsmith. Have fun.

>eats flashbang
>instantly explodes
good luck with this one, man. I'd wear the lightest possible shaded metal helmet at all times

It's a little nuts at first but you get used to it quickly

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I thought I could up will stat through other means by the time I'd get to 50 melee for the feat, but I agree on intelligence. Wanted to base all his stats on a tabletop joke character that lasted longer than it had any right to, but that's silly. Thanks fren, will do.

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Oh yes, his life will be suffer constant suffering.

Can you keep up with me?

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>people suddenly shilling this game
>try it out
>minimaxing character creation screen with vague descriptions of what each skill does
>oh boy time to spend hours reading a game wiki
>look up some easy builds
>all outdated
>look specifically for new build guides
>even the new guides are outdated as if I'm playing the game from the future
>people saying you need to autistically minimax to even beat the game and it's literally impossible if you try to hybrid
>wtf
>the game expects you to use specialized builds and go through the game multiple times to get the full experience
>look at time
>literally 5 hours have passed with me reading forum posts with the game running in the background on the character creation screen, had to sleep
What the fuck Yea Forums? I don't have 25 hours a day to play this game.

damn that makes thermodynamic destabilization so tempting

...What?

You can raise your stats with food and some armor pieces but for feats you need the base number. You can raise the stats to the required number with level ups, If you want to start with that stat spread for rp purposes.

underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Thermodynamic_Destabilization
try getting vaccinated first

How does the health bloat make it tempting? Not all boss characters have stooges to help them out.

oh i didnt realize it was only the bosses

Just play a PSI build lol it's made specifically for people who don't want to struggle

Yeah, wasn't sure if it worked like Fallout or not in that regard.

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Someone tell me the music autim code. I have not the time, nor the autism required to go do this shit.

its different every run
also you don't need to do it, the only thing you get is a unique pistol which isn't even that good

The code is random generated in every playthrough, but solving it is completely optional. You get 5 exp, a unique gun, and some grenades.

It's randomized
You gotta work for it

Unironically beating the game on hard as an immobile melee hammer wizard, which is a whole bunch of contradictory crud.
Reading a wiki before playing a game is analysis-paralysis in action. How'd you do it when you were 6?

The pistol has a fun gimmick, but mechanical damage?

How you're liking your hammer wizard run anyways?
Enjoyable or suffering?

There's a passability glitch here. Doesn't reward anything but it's interesting.

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When did you realize the most effective military factions use other shit besides boring ass regular firearms?

When I heard the WWWRRRRRRRRR

WWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Invincible death machines WITH VERY LOUD DRILLS are the best.

>Invincible
Guess all ten of them happened to malfunction when I came around.

>stock photo
>has horrible jpeg compression
How retarded are you?

What is better for a knife, tungsten or Tichrome?
@18 DEX

How new are you?

Tichrome as has lower AP

Invincible my ass. I've seen a Dread get obliterated by fucking bandits. That's honestly pathetic.

Shut the fuck up right now unless you want to get gassed, dumb terrorists.

I'm just quoting the dialogue here, bre.

>Touching protectorate used goods

You don't even know that.
Fuck off and leave mai pure waifu alone

play as a shotgun wizard

Show me what your utilities are. Let me know just how prepared you are.

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Pretty sure she singlehandedly blew all of Fort Apogee.

Everyone is used goods in this hellhole, bre. And Protectorate's used goods are classier than most.

Explain to a brainlet how shotguns are god
AR's seems to do everything better?

is this your DC prep?
gl bre

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Black Sea is way harder. DC is a fucking cakewalk in comparison.

lel

They zone shit out real good. If they don't zone out, you zone out your shell type, and then you zone out the enemy.

Play as a hammer wizard

HEY STALKER-HUMPING GAY ZONERS now when I have your attention, I'll ask: where can I get a pneumatic reloader for the crossbow?

From a merchant.

When in doubt, ask Constantine.

No shit, bre. What kind of merchant? What city?

Are you one of those zoners that never actually look at what merchants have for sale and miss out on basic shit for half the game? Even Lucas in SGS sells them.

It's than pitchlord from the Foundry? Do you memeing me?

Constantine is in the Oculus.

Do the quests for the shady niggers.

It's the sekrit club merchant, bre. Though Kevin at the Foundry probably sells them too.

Well, now I'm struggling finding timers for the TNT charges.

Why are you even crafting them?

Thanks user, for the valuable info.

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Aren't parts cheaper? Occasionally I do buy them.

TNT charges cost literally nothing.

Almost everyone. That moment when Calamity rejects you was when I realized the protagonist is going to die a virgin.

Just like Styg.

>Calamity
I think I saw a corpse with that name somewhere.

aoe damage and cool factor

She's a pirate. Half of her dialog is literally her babbling about casual no strings attached recreational fucking, but if you ask if she would she just says you ain't her type.

styg has a kid tho

Sniper rifles are completely goofy and nonsensical in the context of the setting. Nobody would want to haul around an awkward and heavy rifle through caves and tunnels where there isn't even enough distance to use the scope. Play as a hammer wizard.

> Rifle is unwieldy
> But sledgehammer isn't
hmmmm

Not him, but while I'm not the brightest guy, I'm fairly certain you can use a sniper rifle as a hammer or club
It's okay if it's heavy as long you can smash things with it, and you cannot do that with a sniper

I play as a hammer wizard, though i usually leave the hammer at home since i have 3 strength and my carry capacity isn't too good.

Be a psichad and break down rocks with nothing but your mind. Implosion + Entropic Recurrence.

Stealth is completely goofy, there's no way you could walk around invisible before everyone's eyes. Play as a zero stealth tin can

you cannot*

>I play as a hammer wizard
>i have 3 strength

hammer wizard without the hammer is just a wizard
can i be a stealth sniper without stealth or a sniper

At least he doesn't have 3 Int.

how's the RP in this

There's a gender slider and pronoun fields at character creation, everything checks out.

Depends of what kind of war criminal you want to be.

non existent
it's game about killing mobs of enemies.

I'm getting mixed responses here

Which char portrait is the only one not used by any major existing characters.

I wanted to be an old wise psy master and got the stats to match it but not only do I share a char portrait with old jonas and I'm canonically young. Shit man I can't rp that, albino balding clone doesn't carry you so far.

just make your own, nigger.

that anime girl one that looks like it doesn't even belong in the game

Don't call me nigger, jew.
Okay that's some good advice though.

Threadly reminder: slaughter every can you find and don't forget to eat your chips
DINK DINK DINK for 10 turns

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I don't think I've seen anyone use the yellow jumpsuit runner or that tribal guy with the long hair.

Should I just go in blind or should I check out a build first.

It's dungeon crawler, bre, so not that bad.

What you want to to play as?

Go blind, pussy.

Going in blind is more fun, unless you really are terrible at character building.

Scratch that, long haired dude is pirate. So the runner is the only one.

Just don't rely on speech skills, and you are good to go.

If you have to ask at all just use someone else's character for reference or straight up copy his experience lol.

Hammers are completely goofy and nonsensical in the context of the setting. Nobody would want to haul around an awkward and sledgehammer through caves and tunnels where there isn't even enough space to swing it. Play as a shotgun wizard.

Dont try to be a diplosniper. I thought I was going on easy-mode with 'persuasion' but that meant fuck all.

you can smash rocks with them and the setting is full of rocks. how does it feel to publicly out yourself as a zoner in front of everyone on an anonymous message board? it must feel very embarrassing for you. if only you had just rolled a hammer wizard user... if only.

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>you can smash rocks
>deals 0 damage and shits himself
>psionic casually implodes them and timefucks them out of existence

>psionic casually implodes them and timefucks them out of existence
is this actually possible or are you lying to me

Play as a hammer wizard

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It's actually possible, rocks have infinite DT and no resistance.

>2439 damage with one strike
Dude, post your build.

Ghostnigger leave

>One of your psionic teachers literally flings kinetic punches at rocks to clear a path
>asks if it's possible to destroy rocks with psionics

well did you see him break down any rocks
because I didn't
all i saw was him trying and failing

No.

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>164Q Electroshock generator
Some bitch is getting fried soon

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Lucky cunt, all electroshock generators I found didnt go beyond 130q for my hammer
Still, good enough

if you were a wizard, you would be wearing only a robe.

Jewlet?

This has gone too far. Psi must be nerfed.

He seem to be wearing a robe underneath his armor.

You need to go back.

did you forget to apply?

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he doesnt succeed in destroying them though. if he had the good sense to be a hammer wizard you probably wouldn't have had to waste all that time having mutants spit hiv at you.

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cringe

Dilate tranny

Holy shit, it's true.

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Of course it's true you pipeworker.
Do you dare doubt psipowers?

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Currently I am doing an energy gun build
I only have the circular wave amplifier and smart thing on my plasma pistol and I only use that with aimed shot
the other two have polarizers and high efficiency and I use when aimed shot is down
I feel like I'm playing this not to its full potential
am i supposed to be pumping dex and then boosting the crit of all of them?
Right now I'm pumping int for the that 8% feat but also because its easy crafting

INT and PER are more important than dex since you can pump up your Crit chance through other means such as recklessness, ambush and whatever else.

Real talk, when we die here, this time we'll die for good.
/indie/ was rightful Underrail clay, but most of the regulars became Discordfags. They won't be coming back.

well my thought process was that lower AP costs could be better because I'll get more shots off with each gun

I like how the game acknowledges you do everything alone. It's a subversion on most isometric RPGs where everything you do is almost always with the help of a party. This game is perfect at making you feel like a real one-man-army.

It's fairly irrelevant in a energy pistol build, but as long as you don't need some other stat, sure, why not.

How do I complete Gorsky's quest to get the shields? If I go in a warehouse, they turn hostile. I can't hack it. I got no stealth. Can I kill them all and still be allied with the Protectorate?

did you talk to sneaky

how about no pipeworker

>Can I kill them all
Sure
>and still be allied with the Protectorate?
Pretty sure no other faction than the faceless gets pissy if you kill some of their dude, the tin cans in Port Zenith should also be "self contained", so to speak, as in if you kill them no other tin can knows.

I've seen plenty of people talk about going 14 dex for 10ap laser shots.

It's true.

Jesus, the psycrabbos' shell blows the fuck out of the psybeetle shell in terms of usefulness for tactical vests.

Just got this game. What are some fun builds? How are stealth and charisma?

I did. I got the armour and pass. It's how I got in.
Do I have to just kill the guys in the immediate area of the warehouse? Or also the one past that? Thanks user.

don't be a doomposter I couldn't play for a couple weeks and I'm not done my first expedition playthrough!

Only if you don't mind having 0 MP and a weaker psi boost.

>What are some fun builds?
Play as a shotgun wizard.
>How are stealth
Godly
>charisma?
There's no charisma in this game, but the "social" abilites tend to be pretty useful, mercantile breaks the game.

they only turn hostile when they realize you're not the guy you're pretending to be
when you're close enough for them to tell

both. sitting at 16 on hard having done the foundry quest, at carnifex in the arena but can't topple him due to needing better armor (I'm at about 33 DT with metal helmet and boots, and scared shitless to die to balor and his goons. big problem is crafting malus; I can't make a better armor than what I've found and with a low/non-existent merc skill means no one is throwing their good inventory in my face.
It's got its pluses and minuses, to be sure. i took 0 damage from bladelings for the whole Beast fight. I'm currently as far through the game as I've ever been, so it's all uncharted territory from here. Ghost would know what's up, but I feel like I'm kind of flying blind

>Do I have to just kill the guys in the immediate area of the warehouse?
No, but if you do kill the people inside they'll turn hostile if they see you.

The boost isn't really weaker and higher psi regeneration is great, over 20 psi point per turn is a godsend.

the true point is 18 then you can shoot chem pistols for 10 ap

Explain that crit bonus on that hammer

I'm just trying to be realistic. We were few on /indie/, I doubt we ever had more than 10 posters at a time. If at least half of them move their daily moment to moment shitposting somewhere else then that's the end.

Heavy weight + Critical power

one telekinetic punch

does Heavyweight take your total penalty even if your "movement" armor penalty is capped at 95%?

Yeah, but they also get hostile the second I enter one of the rooms to actually get the shield shipment, even if they haven't seen me.

>even if they haven't seen me.
sounds like you're getting seen

we still have 40+ IPs in every thread though and most people won't migrate to /vg/
who even uses discord, fucking zoomers.

Messing around with the Institutes experimental chemical pistol kind of makes me wish I was playing an energy/chem pistol character. Unrelated, is it actually possible to reach level 30 on an Oddity playthrough? It seems so far away at level 27.

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Yes?
Care to reformulate the question?

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I've reached 30 shortly after arriving to DC without pickpocketing and breaking into dwellings.
Everything after 26 is irrelevant anyway.

That's why I'm saying we should enjoy these threads while they last. Just don't expect we'll be back on /indie/ when it's over.

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holy fuck you did it

now find the other 3

oh fuck but /indie/ was always our home for eternal waiting
wish they would just purge the mobagetrash from /vg/ so more generals were actually sustainable desu

hey anons wanna hear a joke?
Versatility

Just random tips:
Eidein has actually a rather decent mechanical DR
He has some biological resistances, inmune to gas grenades
Cannot be frightened, not even by burning
He hurts like a fuck

your total armor penalty from all your armor (helmet, boots, suit) adds up to greater than 95%. is 95% (I assume it's this) used for the heavyweight calc or does it run to over 95%?
the wiki is unclear

rapid reloader existing

Not a bad feat.

Good to know, I want those last two feats.

I still use it on hard for funbuilds like shotgun+knife, it's pretty based for non-tryhard runs

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Yeah and when we were waiting the elevator to the DC he just run off to the faceless and died like a bitch while I just waited near the entrance because fuck fighting the faceless and getting on their "bad boys" list
Anyway, is it bad Eidein dies at that point? Was he going to be in some more scenes if he's left alive here?

Armor penalty is capped at 95%, total armour penalty, gear as a whole, not just metal armour.
Therefore, at 95% AP, you will get the maximum extra value

help me, Yea Forums, what should i make my first character

i want something that is equal parts retarded and fun

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fist wizard

shotgun wizard

Boy am I glad he's in there and we're out here.

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University is supposed to be overrun and destroyed, everyone all tchortists inside dies too, including Eidein

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And he does it all while spouting generic Lu--
Wait. They removed his generic Lunatic combat dialog.
They actually removed his generic Lunatic combat dialog. Hahaha oh man finally.

wizard wizard

Stay away from PSI, it's retarded and UNfun and once you use it it's hard to stop being a shitter

Don't listen to this fag , go for psi. It has the most arsenal of skills in the game and yes it's a bit overpowered but it also provides the most complex, intrincate and fun playstyle.

be a ninja
a literal ninja, use swords and ninja masks and go full weeb

t. Aran.

I've never seen one. I figured they were removed and the wiki never got updated

Fucking finally

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>complex
>intrincate
rolling on the floor laughing my dude

Everyone dies, it's a canon genocide.

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you could make a str-based spearman or a dex-based with a large shield from riot armor. the feats for it make you virtually immune to melee

Okay, what we learn.

Fuck Thought controllers
Do NOT let Eidein act.
95% DR and 70 DT basically lets you ignore everything but Thought Controlers
Fuck Thought controllers
Ironically enough, the Faceless invasion has not been triggered yet
Did already said Fuck Though controllers?

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I prefered Atom

I prefer Pabst blue ribbon

Why?

For anybody that cares: Faceless invasion is only triggered when the elevator is activated, not when duking out with the Tchortists

are you being faceless raped right now?

Turns out Tchort big guys are inmune to fear

Yes, their fucking thought controllers fucking my shit up, need to return to my place and get me some bear traps, not being able to kill Faceless fucking sucks

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Just pirated this game, oddity or classic xp

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Oddity

Oddity
Also kill yourself

oddity you piece of trash

So
Cannot open the door.
There is another exit, through the back utility section, or West wing hole.
But the only entrance to University is through the front door.

Uh

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What's the lore behind Faceless attacking an empty institute and fucking with you ride?

your ride*

you're ride*

I'm going to play it after I finish my Expedition playthrough
What am I in for?

They're faceless. Ain't gonna explain shit.

Play oddity like the degenerate you are

Slav jank, basic-ass combat, weird crafting where you're forced to consult the wiki if you don't want to waste crazy amounts of resources with "experimenting".
I pirated it, so no regrets but it can be frustrating and not in a good way.

300 hours in Atom and didn't notice any jank, did you play an early version?

Oddity you sensible man of culture.
After all, it's not like you actually stole value ;)

Ideaguy here. I present you all a new difficulty mode.

>GODMAN difficulty
>Similar to dominating, except you only get 90 skill points at character creation instead of 120, and 30 skill points per level up instead of 40
This means you'll only be able to master 6 skills instead of the usual 8. You'll have to distribute your skill points very carefully. Fun!

Can the idea guy just fuck off already?

Just make it so that you can't use PSI and call it a new difficulty.
After all not taking the gay pill makes for a very different game where you actually have to use your brain.

Give me a minmaxed build to start the game with. I never finished it back when the base game was first released, and I struggled a good bit (mostly at that fucking mutant area fuck that place). I was doing a psi/gun build. Or was it a crossbow? I don't fucking remember.

Just play on Easy.

There are difficulty settings?

If I don't have hacking does it mean I can't complete the camp defense quest?

Just finished up Abyssal Station.

Even as a high Will pure psi that shit was pretty terrifying. Styg should write a horror game.

You ever noticed how there's no feats that PSI Empathy locks you out of? Even the ones directly relating to your body's physical health...the physical health the good doctor explicitly mentions you trash when you take the psi pill.
Lock psidiots out of any Con feats.

I activate the naga and it still didn't complete
I have no idea what actually completes it

People have wrote essays on the forum about builds these retard faggitos just can't read

Did you also get the mines and turret?

Fuck off to r e d d i t

What the fuck is up with Depot A? I'd heard the stories already but this is goddamn stupid, If I miss a single aimed shot at any point during a fight I'm often guaranteed to die.
Is the rest of the game like this? Do I need to be forever gathering crafting mats just to abuse crafted shit from now?

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molotovs beer traps caltrops consumables etc get used to it
no such thing as abusing or cheesing in this game

i made an "undertale" build for this game and just went melee stabbing everything with a dagger and it worked out fine until i got into the junkyard

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it's literally just you versus a good number of people.
how do people even those odds irl? walk forward into a hail of bullets isn't it

If it consistently turns a fight from a near-death encounter to one that ends with me taking no damage I'd say that's goddamn abuse.

You should play DOMINATING instead if you're taking no damage. You're way above whatever dif you're playing on.

If you've read about the game you already generally know the builds

But it's my first playthrough. Surely the rest of the game doesn't depend on me being an autist and going to every merchant to gather mats to make throwables and traps?
Right?

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All right Anons, I'm new and tried some build and game served me my ass on silver plate. What are good builds for first time faggot? I don't want to cheat and I already did to be jack of all trades on skills.

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it does, maybe just delete the game if you don't like autismo gameplay because it only gets worse

Fuck

Just play on normal or easy.

First time player here. Should I play with DLC or without?

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Use dee el see it doesn't matter at all for a new player.

It's really more of an expansion, heck it's literally called an expansion by styg.
It pretty much just adds to the original game without any disconnection.

thanks, my duderinos.

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I did, my ass was handed on a silver plate.
Now I'm here, playing on easy on Yea Forums.

Don't do this to yourself
Easy cannot possibly be fun

don't feel too bad about reloading a few times i know the feeling of being trash after beating autistic "hard" games like xcom battle brothers fucktorio etc on the hardest settings then getting shit on in this atari looking POS game.
Feels good when you beat it tho

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Should I bother leveling Persuasion if my will is shit (3)? I like lore.

yeah absolutely worth it even with 3 will
so is merchantile

But merc is int

I saw 2 on Kevin the other day :-) they stacked like grenades.

So, should I genocide the natives before going to Abyssal station? Why the fuck can I not tell this Shadowlith to fuck off via Willpower. what sort of bilocation is this?

WHY DO I HAVE A 35% CHANCE TO HIT A DOG THAT IS CURRENTLY KNAWING ON MY KNEE

because dogs are just big rats i fucking hate them so much

yeah my bad i'm baked but yeah merchantile is super good even with low int

An Int-let I am not so I'll grab both, thanks.

do you think you can defeat a leviathan with your puny human mind?

Bres, don't underestimate your enemies, I got cocky and look how it ended up.

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Just use your handy dandy taser.

I saw no proofs down there that it's a Leviathan.

>dog tackles me three times in one turn
How fast are these shits, goddamn.

all that to rescue some rando ho
i just kill her boyfriend for a sweet early game smg and let her die, fuck burrowers

you should just do another "lore" run with max will and int.

Funny thing that she is my only way out, that "administer antidote and help her out" dialogue option makes wonders.

FIXER YOU DERAILED ZONER PIECE OF SHIT
SELL ME SOME NON SHIT QUALITY CHEM PARTS

if i come back one more time to find nothing but >50 quality blub dispensers i'm gonna pour crawler poison down your urethra

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>being a jewlet

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Oddly enough, all pirates are hostile towards me and I Cannot interact with them in any way, while at the same time Professor Oldfield has yet to be kidnapped. What triggers that event? I've been to 4 out of 5 facilities, been implanted with the chip, and yet I've been unable to unlock no additional floors to the citadels or activate any additional security. What gives?

Do you have pickpocket?

I laid my character down to sleep, he woke up, and suddenly a conversation triggered between Briggs, Oldfield, and myself congratulating me for rescuing the Professor from the Pirates... The problem is, I never rescued him from the pirates. I just laid down to sleep. I may have done too much in the expedition without 'resting' in the black sea and fucked up the game.

How badly did I fuck up by taking versatility? Keeping a light melee weapon in my off-hand saved me a ton of ammo early on but now my melee can't hit fucking anything. Can I reasonably make use of a crossbow for utility instead?

whoever said this game has bad writing was a liar and a fool

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>sssnnnnniiiiiiffffff....quite pungent indeed my dear

> trying to kill Gubbins for his hammer
> he fucks my shit up

Crawler caltrops
Gas nades
Nets
Cryogas, if you are really desperate
Stingball grenades
Shit, I dunno, throwing knives fulla poison?

HOW FUCKING BIG IS DEPOT A JESUS CHRIST
LET ME LEAVE

Keep at it user, you'll make it! Do not get filtered by the tutorial!

Destination Hell, brother. Its big, its mean, its green, fulla acid and labyrinthian as fuck, so good luck. Hope you brought enough caltrops, bear traps and molotovs to last you.

What the fuck

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depends on what you're going for and on what difficulty

Good god I'm never going to finish this game. Got to the foundry and it just drained all life out of me. Now I apparently have to trap fucking worms, find a merchant with the cages and traps for it, haul ass back to SGS so somebody can look at the shitters and then return to probably fight assloads more of the cunts I can't damage anyways, boss most likely included.

When people ingame say its hell, they mean it bre. You can make it. We believe.
Foundry is notoriously a slog. Just avoid it for now and do other shit like the main quest unless you are a metalboi or are a oddity player, then just snatch everything and dab out.

But I've already made it, now. That 95 gate was in the same area, what for...?

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>start a new save after seeing UnderRail threads come back
>go sledgehammer build
>purchase an early sledgehammer after finishing the outpost mission
>go through beginning
>get to the Hopper fetch quest
>finish it
>on my way out of Mushroom Cove
>see guard
>decide to quicksave and see if I can kill him for shits and giggles
>spend 2 hypos and 2 bandages
>kill the fucker
>get a Marauder and Tungsten armor
Should I restart and for a gun/sledge build rather than pure sledge?

you better take a chromium blade with you to sgs just in case

Hell yeah my man. The 95 gate was an alternative place.
See, killing that guy puts everyone in SGS on ultra pissed off mode, so its a bad idea my man. You can do whatever honestly, tincan AR is ez but funmode.

>sgs will remember this

Yeah just realised after seeing Old Man, that's kind of gay considering that there's no one else that sees you kill that sentry. I'm assuming that even if I don't carry his looted shit on me they all still attack

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I want to visit all alternative places. Now that I'm done with this area I'm not done with it.

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They will, always check the control tier on your zone user.
Meant to write alternative route. You can pick up the key for the door at the first area out of the scrapers, go to the left, should be 2 guys there, one has a key for it.

Whatever fuck that alternative place then. I tried to kill them earlier and the entire area engages me if I start combat over there.

I changed my mind.

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IT WAS LORE
FUCK YOU FOR JUST CALLING IT AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE

;;;;^^^^))))))))

Get educated fucboi

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JOKES ON YOU MEME FAGGOT THE ONLY THING I WANT MORE THAN LOOT IS LORE

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Good on ya zoner. Remember, you can ask YA BOI EZZY about that shit

What the fuck am I supposed to find in the Nexus? I have scavenged every single area, even the music autism, container and body, looked through all mails and computers and yet I can't tell the professor it's fucking done.

some keycard

Should I invest in crafting on my first run? I also want to invest in guns/crossbows/throwing but is that too many combat skills to start off with? It doesn't leave me much to get lockpicking/hacking which might be handy?

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Security Keycard (Nexus of Technology)?

Crafting ia super strong
Focus on only one thing so either guns or crossbows but not both
Lockpicking/hacking are not a must, but they're nice to have

implant microchip
theres some random data on there.
not sure if you have to do that, but you can activate near a body to increase the sec levels or something

In case the guy who asked me for the screencap is around, I apologise, I swore I f12vd but looks like I didnnt. No autistic caps of autismo primes saying the Acorn aint it chief.

Hmm, I must have missed it somehow. I'll look around harder I guess. Thanks.

>gunslinger feat
can you be cheesey and swap to an offhand pistol at the end of your turn to use the +7 bonus with other weapon types?

>LoC+Enrage
>Enrage+Tincan with a sledgehamer+Contraction
>Cryokinetic orb
>proxy+tele punch
>mfw

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I bought this game a couple of weeks ago and I can't stop playing it, but my refusal to look at the wiki has meant I've spent a fuckload of time just running around the place clueless about where to go next

that's the best way to play

I have 50 hours in this game and I'm level 17, which seems pretty slow in the grand scheme of things. At least I haven't really had any build trouble since stealth, SMGs and snipers aren't too complicated to use

Hardcore!

Jettin'!

Wait until you see laser cats.
>Should I invest in crafting
Yes, become part of the 10INT masterrace.

Meanwhile, if you play as a girl, your ass is so dominating that men get in line to get a shot at it. Male protag has no game.

You're still a womanlet when people compare you to the Invictus, just like they do with a male PC. Also, flat chest.

>flat chest
That's hot.

>Also, flat chest.
Lies and slander. You're just not a tit cow.
Also, short girls are cute.

What can I do with excessive amount of loot in early game? I got a lot of it after Depot A and killing Scrappers. Is recycling and making kits the only thing I can do? Also, what would be best SMG type as a sidearm? I think Jaguar might be the best overall, but can Jackrabbit can be better?

put shit in some barrel next to merchants to sell later.

There's nothing wrong with flat chest, banga

>What can I do with excessive amount of loot in early game?
There is no excessive amount of loot, learn what merchants want and drop that shit on the floor near them, then come back when they restock and sell that shit to them.
Become the super steel moghul,

A woman with no tits is a failure of a woman.

you're DERAILED

You're softcore.

Dumbat...

Repair good loot and sell it
Also you can safely drop your items in the ground, or put it on the ground, nobody will loot your stuff, you can come back later and sell it

If you use guns, only invest in guns skills
If you use crossbows, only invest in crossbows skills
If youre melee, invest in melee skills
Throwing is an utility skill, its helps

Dont neglect crafting

It's alright user, I'll get it on another run. Thanks for checking.

>that sadness that hits you as you enter the Institute
>that feeling when you know what will come, all your bros and sis's genocided
It is such a shame, fuck, a tragedy even, what we all know will happen. Not a single person there was ever rude to you, used you, abused you or mistreated you. They did serious research, they progressed science, even did medical deals to Core City, saving lives in exchange of being able to propagate their beliefs. Sure, HE may not be an angel, but the place was always so fucking wholesome.

A beacon of human progress, amidst the South Rail. Marble and carpeting, fine craftsmanship and science, knowledge and art, genetics and purity, a end goal. The true New Biocorp, washed away under the autists.

Goddamn half ape half moon niggers.

Reminder not to trust Tchortniggers

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>SRO Assault
>I'm a sneakan melee shitter
this isn't fun

>Rupert reeeing when he was the one to have his kid assasinate the other oligarchs kid, stole the faceless gizmo, held it in captivity and then tried to study it, knowing full well Tchortists and Faceless wanted it
>Willing to sacrifice everything just to get that polyhedron batery weapon
>Tchortists are the niggers
Coretech may have the best quests, but it has the worse boss.

>>Rupert reeeing when he was the one to have his kid assasinate the other oligarchs kid
It wasn't his kid, it was Edmund's kid.

>Squishy knifenut gets his ass served on a silver plate
Stop the prenses
Hot flash news just arrived

>have his kid assasinate the other oligarchs kid
I think that was an accident. And he handled it as well as he could've - truth would've just plunged Core City into chaos and destruction again.
Still fucked up though. They're supposed to be best friends, but I didn't get the impression that Rupert cared all that much about the whole affair.

Goddammit I never thought of using Contraction on an enraged enemy. Thank you user

>Hide behind a pillar while my team all dies to kill the 2 turrets at the start
>Begin stealthan knifefaggotry

Rupert personally orders you, his very own 007, to deal with the supposed killer, purely out of grief.
I'd say he did care a lot about it.

They did naughty science too though

You forgot "son."
Now get back to work, Rupert.

Gaems too haaaaaard :_v(

do you have any suggestions

Depends.
What level? What difficulty? What build?
Generally is better for you to do things alone, bring lots of fire nades for the Tin Cans and EMPs for the turrets

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This is why Archibald Knight is best oligarch

so there's no way to use an alternate entrance or anything to perform sneakan is there? I don't need "use throwing weapons" depot a-tier advice

None. I did this as sneaky knife-fag too and it's really frustrating how the level is set up. The worst part is your allies like to take a position just in front of the gate, and you can't get past them.

Dismissed, Enforcer.

I've thinned out the bad guys enough that I can kill one and survive for a turn then cross to the other area, so I'm getting through it ok, but it just feels lame having to play it like this. it doesn't feel like they supported coward stealth playstyle at all with this design, and apparently there's not even an alternate entrance. 0/10

Given Im a Tungsten tank, I cannot advice much since we are polar opposites, however hammers are the best vs robots and sentries, specially with electroshock generator, knife with electro attacks can do some damage, but not enough to not get riddled by turret bullets.
Do you have psi? Psychokinesis excells are wrecking robots

Just use an energy edge knife and nades, zoners.

sure thing bro that energy knife'll do just great against this mob of 10 guys, I'll run straight up to them with it

t. easy mode tin-can AR user

>sure thing bro that energy knife'll do just great against this mob of 10 guys
That's why I said to use nades, zoner.
Who gave you the loicense for that noife if you can't even use it right?

one of the things that is good about the rest of underrail is you can do fun stealth things with vents and traps and shit. on this mission and the first half of the last one, you cannot do anything but have a straight up fight against a bunch of protectorate guys. it's poorly designed is all I'm saying - you saying "throw grenades" doesn't change that

If all of the game's content allowed you all possible approaches it would be pretty boring and not really challenging or interesting, I'd say it's also good to have situations where your build isn't as effective as it could be.

Take Todor's quest in Foundry, for a stealthy character it's pretty easy as you just walk right through the guards, a high persuasion build can also let you complete this quest easily and earlier than others, but for somebody who didn't invest into either it's tough luck and you need to do other quests first in order to complete it, or try to murderhobo your way through a base of armored soldiers, the Gray Army section is the same, a character with high stealth can complete it in less than two minutes whereas everybody else has to jump through hoops, cosplay or deal with an army of angry slavs.
Stealth has plenty of powerful options throughout the game, in fact Stealth is possibly the best utility in the game together with crafting and mercantile, and allows you to breeze through parts of the game that would otherwise be really painful for 90% of non stealth builds, it's only fair that there's a bunch of quests that Stealth can't fit into.

>UnderReddit

THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE WHERE YOU CAN BE BROS WITH A MASTER BIOLOGIST, GET FUCKING WASTED ON BOOZE WITH A GODDAMN MASTER CHEMIST (BESIDES DUDE) AND GIVE CRIPLING GUILT OVER CONSTANTLY HELPING A PHYSICIST, ALL WHILE BEING WELCOMED BY EVERY SINGLE GUY OUT THERE, LEGITIMATELY TRYING TO MAKE SCIENCE, A FEW SLAVES ISNT SHIT, LURKERS DO WORSE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I guess that's reasonable. there is always the option to not do the quest, or come back when you're way stronger. I'm just mad I had to let all my bros die, even if they are anarchist shitheads

>Neither Oskar nor Beckett are giving me any cloth that isn't black cloth or aluminum
Where the fuck am I supposed to get high quality Kevlar cloth for my infused bison vest, holy shit, I hate vendors sometimes.
Investing in electronics for plasma nades is also an option, those things easily fry both tin cans and plasma turrets, alternate them with flashbangs and sneakan and you can deal with them more or less easily with minimum losses.
Electronics also let you make energy edge weapons so it's not a bad choice for a stealth knife build, not to mention you get to make good energy shields too.

honestly I've not seen 1 energy edge thing yet and I'm level 18

Just defeated Balor wtf is this Hammer. How can you even get 20 str is it a meme weapon?

The Coretech shop sells shitloads of them, so does Constantine.

>How can you even get 20 str
By minmaxing.

>kick the protectorate out of junkyard for the free drones
>my reward is a plain steel machete worth 896

Terrorism doesn't pay.

Here's a new idea for the game. This one is a feat meant to give a purpose to leveling Science skills beyond the basic requirements to get the best gear:

>Technician
>Requires 8 INT
>For every effective skill point on Mechanics and Tailoring that is above the requirement to craft a weapon or armor, the crafted item gains a 0,2% bonus to damage (if it's a weapon), DR and DT (if it's armor).

>crafting feats

Probably only with mercantile, I have never seen them sell one.

But crafting is already insanely strong.

Where in Expedition is the Spirit Staff? Would I be able to start the DLC at level 16, quickly get the staff and jump back in to the base game and finish that before returning?

shit idea. all feat suggestions should be about fucking with psifags

how the hell can you play this game, my eyes start bleeding every time I try to play for 5 min, there isnt even a zoom in function.

18 strength by natural means, 19 with rathound regalia, 20 with rathound barbequue. Furry power.

NO U CANT FAST FORWARD SHOPS WITH SCRIPTS WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

Spirit staffs are carried by the Oyettwhateveritsspelled savage Shaman
Spirit staff unique is carried by shaman boss

is your vision impaired? if so, I'm sorry

Ok, how about this idea? It's meant to give Psi Empathy bigger penalties.

>Psi Empathy
>Allows the use of psi spells, but permanently lowers HP by 33% (up from 25%) and STR by 1

no
theyre actually stronger in the endgame

Play on a lower res. 1600 x 900 is pretty nice.

>STR -1
That would just gimp psi monks and hammer wizards

>clicking on a fishing rod to reel the fish in

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>shitting on corporeal projectors
pls no

>That would make overpowered characters less overpowered
problem?

it's not a good fix though - psi attacks need defenses and accuracy for a start, and then feats and equipment to resist them

You fags don't want any actual balancing to psi don't you? Losing a little HP is barely a penalty when you're fully armored, shielded or kill your opponents before they hit you. The penalty has to be bigger by actually messing with your stats directly.

tichrome

blind, but if you're having a miserable time, come back and ask for advice

Give it a real shot though; be smart and think stuff through.

Apparently it'll be easier to click in the next patch.

Let pill popping grannies keep pretending they're competent, some people wouldn't even play the game without the PSI crutch lmao.

>try to disarm crawler poison bear trap
>you were off by 1 pixel

How about
>Allows the use of psi spells, but permanently lowers HP by 0.1% for every skill point in a psi skill

>Hammer wizards and psi monks
>Overpowered

I'm the idea guy and even I don't like that.

Where are the shield emitters in the warehouse for Gorsky's quest?

>psi anything
>not overpowered

>haha wouldn't it be funny if the most fun builds in the game had 1 health
Based idea guy.

>You fell for the JKK meme

no, i'm the idea guy

Inside one of the warehouses
You need a keycard to open them

>try moving on a tile which has an opendoor on top of it
hehe heck yeah gaemrs

they just made them significantly larger you fucking eyelet

Yeah, I have the keycard, but which warehouse? The one with all the shelves doesn't have it.

no, me

I BELIEVE ITS THE THIRD ROLL DOWN DOOR, IT HAS THE ICON OF A BOX

4x160 is still only 64%.

Check other shelves, the item has the image of a box, keep looking in the other warehouses

>PSIbabby can't into math
expected really

being good at psi should make you a crazy person and lower your int

I kinda figured it'd be in addition to the regular penalty.

>math
Is that the forbidden psi school?

Yeah, look at Ezra.
Oh wait...

Found it, thanks.

>I kinda figured it'd be in addition to the regular penalty.
Nope, just making the penalty more gradual. More crippling in the long run, but easier at the start. It would take until level 10-11 for a full quad psi to reach the current 25% penalty, it just wouldn't stop there.