One person puts their heart and soul into making an original game experience

The fandom of undertale is so bad and autistic that i can't blame anyone for never playing it specifically because of the fans turning them away.

Don't forget that Toby is now popular enough to be hired by Game Freak of all people

one of those games you wish you could experience again with no memory of it
those are the games that are good

>original game experience
>Undertale
I hate zoomers and people who overrate this walking sim that hardly qualifies as a "game"

yes undertale isnt popular, you're the underdog hipster liking the unpopular thing

>Papyrus was basically the face of the game
Certainly didn't feel like he was. If he was then he would have at least had a genocide route boss fight like Sans.

>One person
man it must suck to be the other people who worked on Undertale

does it really matter what is popular or not when outrage culture demands absolutely everything be mercilessly destroyed for the sake of shitposting

>fandom for singleplayer game bad!

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While ASGORE and both of Undyne's battle themes are great, the only track that competes with Megalovania is Spider Dance.

Based and dummypilled.

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I just don't like the fucking game. I think its sense of humor is unbearable too.

the music is a bop though

>who follow the crowd.
you mean the overall crowd that likes the game

How's my opinion stupid in any way shape or form you filthy wojak shit eater

both haters and fanboys are crowds with shit people
clearly the problem is the other side and not the shit people who make everything awful present in both of them

I've never played this game but I say it's shit and will always say it's shit, and there's nothing anyone can do about it

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>>one person puts their heart and soul into making an original game experience

No. Undertale sucks doodoo ass for many reasons, and I can tell you right now that it took no effort to make.

>>people start posting shit like Sans memes trying to turn the game into a joke because "how dare people like things"

No, they make memes about him because people associate him with the pile of garbage that is the Undertale fanbase, but that doesn't mean they want to turn the game into a joke.

>>people are still somehow angry about this

Really? I've seen many people reacting positively, I don't know where you're pulling that from.

I've got a friend who wont play undertale because animal people make him uncomfortable. He might have mentioned he doesnt like that people beat off to them. When I pointed out that people beat off to practically everything and hes being irrational, he just kind of waved it aside.

Man hes fucking dumb

I remember those threads too

>one person
>original game experience
>Sans memes were made by haters
please tell me I'm having a seizure

No, we always hated this liberal trash

The game is good, the fanbase is awful. But that's pretty much any game, some are just more autistic than others. But whatever, just have fun with it and don't get into fandom shit.

>Megalovania is overrated
Based
>the best tracks are ASGORE and the Dummy battle
Cringe and yikespilled

Behold, the red pill, the absolute best song in the game:
youtube.com/watch?v=aWBtpBwzzdM

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Spoken like a true 2016 /pol/ fag

Yeah and then Toby was right

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I don't like it because of how heavy handed it is with the pacifism thing. How is killing in self defense not justified? Why must the genocide route be so tedious until the end?

kek, like 10% of people know temmie at least so she has that going. but yeah, toby really meme'd the IT'S 1MA YOU GUYS! a little too hard when all the good art (stuff that's not black and white, or frisk, or a flat blue floor) is by not-him

You're a fucking faggot. 80% of Undertale discussions are the literal comment "the undertale fanbase is cancer." These people are even worse than edgy deviantart undertalefags, at least those enjoy the game. Just don't give a shit about what other people shitpost and have fun.

Do you think my game will become popular if i put my heart and soul into it?
do you think it still will even if it has cunny?

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shitposters and lost souls are all that remain on this site

>Yea Forums is one person
>Yea Forums liked indie trash "flavor of the month"
Nice revisionism.

shut the fuck up retard

Yea Forums did like the demo, sorry you weren't here for it.

Do you think Yea Forums disliked Deltarune's demo?

there was nothing but praise here for the demo and like the week after release then dumblr came

cope some more you seething libs

>hating libtards is bad
Anyways, how is this game even political? It's just a good game.

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I started to dislike it too when it was gaining popularity and the fanbase started to be annoying, but re-listening to the OST made me realize that the game is the epitome of soul.
I want to replay the game sometime again.
I haven't played Deltarune yet, so I might hop on that.

>original

Fucking this. I wonder if any of you are even old enough to remember a time when it was the norm for developers to put their heart and soul into a game they were genuinely passionate about.
Most of you are probably too young and don't know more than the bland corporate trash we get today.

The demo was cool and then the full game released and was trash.

Vocal minority again misleading your opinion.
Lots of people loved the demo, and I was thrilled and excited for the full release. The full game not only exceeded my and many others' expectations, but also had a good atmosphere, good characters, and a good challenge for every first run.
It just so happens Sans is babby's first bullet hell with some good features (unkillable enemy, shifting 1 sec obstacles, using the most effective attacks from every enemy so far, unconventional win condition). Oh, and this is from a type of run that is unintuitive. More so than pacifist, which the game urges you to try more than other types.
Now why would you think Sans is just a meme and not deserving of his inclusion?

Yea Forums likes many things as a fad, but that doesn't translates to everyone's personal opinion nor does it means that the public opinion will be there forever.
For example, what's the current public opinion on Monster Girl Quest? Because Yea Forums went batshit insane over it, it was posted nonstop 2 years straight and Yea Forums made it the best game of 2013.

He's sounds like a cool dude.

You're not going to change the fact that Yea Forums liked UT and DR when their demos dropped, kiddo.

>plays like a really good game
>but is also trash at the same time

how is that even possible, think about what you are saying and the implications of this, as if there's some kind of "good game but trash AS game" duality, man

>seething this hard that Yea Forums isn't a libtard playground anymore
maybe discord is more your speed fellas

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>ever not playing something because of the fandom
Yes, I can blame you for being retarded and trying to fit in in a fandom instead of actually playing vidya for fun.

>found out about Undertale in its first weeks on release through Yea Forums
>was there for the shitposting about a "secret mode"
>people genuinely wanted to play pacifist runs and wanted to know what this "secret mode" since that was "where the real game was"
>ended up being the genocide run
When the game became popular and autists started hating it just to be contrarians, that's about the time Yea Forums started "hating" on it.
Honestly, I don't think for one second that the true love for the game is dead. Rather, the core fans have gone into hiding because they can't stand the aspie shitstains who end up crapping their adult diapers when they see anything positive about Undertale.

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everything i hate is liberal

Undertale fans are the same cringy fucks as homestuck/MLP/sonic fandom/jojo fans

Never liked it, you faggots sang it praise and it was shit from the start.

Yea Forums flipped the fuck out about Flowey remembering you killing Toriel. That shit was all over the board.

daily reminder that Toby probably still lurks here

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The like for Sans is genuine, people just have fun pretending to take it too far.

I'm not (also disclosing here that I'm not ). But I hate this meme that just because UT was once popular it's the greatest thing ever and Yea Forums's public opinion will never change about it, nor that you're prohibited to have any negative opinion about it.
Yea Forums loved MGQ. Yea Forums loved Rance. Yea Forums loved Persona. I love every one of these series and I'm fully aware and not ashamed to admit that they have their flaws. Things change. Opinions change. Deal with it.

>. But I hate this meme that just because UT was once popular it's the greatest thing ever and Yea Forums's public opinion will never change about it, nor that you're prohibited to have any negative opinion about it.
What fucking meme? Stop being assblasted that people call you a contrarian retard for hating a popular thing because its popular.

>few threads on Yea Forums liked it
>few hated it and the rabid fans

B-BUT Yea Forums LOVED ITT!!!!!!! yeah nah fuck off faggot

>original game experience
>inferior mother/earthound clone
??

nice blog, nice thread, nice board.

youtube.com/watch?v=62SgGbV-baw&t=

Current public opinion is that monster girl threads hit the bump limit.

People still love to touch the fluffy tail.

MGQ should have just been a Nukige but it had a bit more depth.

Undertale really has almost no meat gameplay wise and it's "appeal" is character interactions that are hit or miss.
Hated it from the start, you bastards rope me into giving it a second try and I still hated it.

It's a bad game.

Never liked it.
>hurr bet you never even played it
Correct, I don't need to waste money to realize it's pixelshit indie trash, you can see it at a glance.

this is the kind of smoothbrain we all have to share a board with lmao

>It's a bad game.
Nah

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Undyne is cool but Asgore is better.

>letting other people get in the way of your vidya

I didn't play it until earlier this year, but I do remember when this game first came out Yea Forums was all over it. Honestly, with how often the spider chick was posted I thought she had a bigger role in the game.

Don't waste your money man, as a game it has no real gameplay, there is just something fucked up about the gameplay loop.

It's apparently a good game to stream but shit to play yourself because it assumes you want to know more about it but makes no effort to keep you interested.

Toby called it and was right, Yea Forums somehow NEVER recovered.

How does Toby keep winning bros?

>t-they only hate cuz it's popular!
No they don't. If you ever stepped out of your bubble you'd see the genuine criticism. The writing is a lot of times pretty cringeworthy. The gameplay is the worst aspects of RPGs mixed with the most boring aspects of shmups. The graphics and scenarios are bland and empty. People have been dropping genuine criticism over this game for years, and I've seen countless people say it's a 7/10 game, maybe a 8/10 at best.

this, fuck lgbt and degenerate furries

Yes they do. Where's that kermit screencap?

Undertale is a clear mirror of Homestuck, memorable and charming start, spawns a horrifically degenerate fanbase and gets co-opted by tumblr, next parts are now soiled with appeasement to this fanbase and begin a steady decline (Deltarune shows this).

Tbf I post sans memes because I like the game and I think Sans is funny.

>we
you got a mouse in your pocket user?

Dude you are assuming that menus changing is something revolutionary, Touhou did it better with IaMP Suika last spellcard destroys all form of player information including lifebars in a fighting game that has a gauge system.

This is nothing but fluff, the gameplay is still shit.

The game is shit.

Nah

>"No they hate it because it's popular"
>I've heard pretty valid flaws and arguments why people wouldn't like this ga-
>"NO IT'S BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR"
And you still wonder why people don't like the UT fanbase.

Based user speaking the truth. I appreciate Toby, and I think the hate mob against the game gets ridiculous, but at the same time some parts of the game, (Monster kid and the fujoshi dinosaur as a whole) were really fucking bad

>I've heard pretty valid flaws and arguments why people wouldn't like this ga-
go on

>"No they hate it because it's popular"
Nailed it

That's your argument?

You are probably the same kind of retard that gets surprised when your hometown or hub world gets destroyed in a JRPG.

Subverting shit doesn't make a game good.

The problem is not the game, it's the fanbase. Undertale is in my top 5 favorite games of all time, and still I despise its fanbase. It tells you a lot just the fact that not even the creator itself likes his game's community.

Best track is ruins and core tho

He's the type of person that shits his pants when deadpool talks to the camera in his capeshit movies

...

>he thinks I want to "argue" against someone who is just going THIS GAME IS SHIT XD
You must have no fucking life, dude.

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Undertale is a good game but it is not as amazingly incredible as people claim.
That's simply it.
Yea Forums enjoyed the game A LOT, I remember when we were using those pictures that made sounds, the stuff that pre dated webms.
However, when a mass of uncultured piece of shit faggot that are a waste of human life come and spread that OH WOW THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER BECAUSE THERE IS A GAY COUPLE AND FRISK IS TOTALLY NON BINARY over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again then can you really be surprised if others get pissed about it?

Undertale WAS a game.
Then it became propaganda.
Yea Forums loved the game.

Those are pretty bland criticisms.

The demo had some interesting ideas and the full game didn't live up to the potential. How is that so hard to understand? They did nothing to make the game an actual RPG and no it doesn't play well. It's boring as fuck when they could have had rpg elements actually make combat interesting. They took the somber and mysterious tone and turned it into LOL SPAGHETTI SKELETONS. It sucked.

>he didn't play it for free
Zoomers, everyone.

Yea Forums mocks walking simulators and pixelindies while praising this garbage, laughable

But the Ruins were literally the worst area in the game.

So anyone who doesn't care for Undertale is now some sort of Grinch? Has it occured to you that people don't care for Undertale because it's simply not a good game?

The writing and humor is so painfully forced and tumblr-y (or whatever fandom this thing originated from). It somehow manages to be more obnoxious than a Borderlands game. I didn't laugh once during my entire playthrough of it, but I rolled my eyes countless times.

It will also age terribly because of alll the dated pop culture references. Like, there's one part of the game where that scientist interrupts you with messages/calls every few steps you take, which is obviously parodying Facebook message updates. Not only does this show a child's understanding of how comedy works, but that segment is excruciating to play through, because you get interrupted every few steps.

And the mechanics are completely disconnected from the narrative. In other rpgs, non-violent conflict resolution is handled through dedicated mechanics like stealth and diplomacy. Undertale just has this completely abstract bullet hell mini game. How does that even make sense?
The twist is supposed to be that monsters are actually peaceful and just afraid of you. But then why do they immediately try to murder you? Why don't they approach you peacefully first and see if they can reason with you? Or at least run away?
Yet at the same time there is a village inhabited by monsters that don't attack you and interact with you peacefully. So why can't the other monsters outside of the village do that?
Why are you denied the pacifist ending for fighting back in self-defense against monsters that try to murder you (and since the game has invisible random encounters, you can't avoid these enemies and you get assaulted by them just by walking around)?

The whole thing falls apart under the slightest scrutiny.

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those are all opinions lol

>opinions aren't criticisms

>lewding the mother figure of the game
mommy gf fags need to be gassed

Papyrus was the most difficult Genocide boss by far.

>Undertale WAS a game.
>Then it became propaganda.
this is such a fucking retarded mentality.
nothing about the game changed because [people i don't like] started liking it.

Whose angry about this tho? People that wanted Sans as a meme got a great outcome, Western Indie as a costume is unprecedented. And people that hate on Sans laugh about him being permanently deconfirmed. Win-Win scenario.

every area in the game is a boring slog

Get fucked faggot.

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>He charges money for his one developer passion projects
Check out this pleb

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did someone post the kermit pic already

>criticizing the gameplay
>bland criticism
Every criticism is an opinion. Sans shit like "game is utterly broken and doesn't even loads up", there's no criticism that's an objective fact.

I don't say "based" very often but this post sure deserves to be called as such
Based

>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST INSULT UNDERTALE LIKE THAT QUICK SOMEBODY POST THE KERMIT PIC

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Yeah, the 'gameplay' is a really bland criticism.

"The gameplay is the worst aspects of RPGs mixed with the most boring aspects of shmups" is a totally useless piece of criticism. It tells us nothing other than that you have nothing to say.

This.

>wojack

Not gonna lie, Pixel is fucking based, releasing such a great game for free

Nah
youtu.be/IkOK8tdEsFY

>476976179
>Kermit pic makes him THIS angry
lmao

Who the fuck cares what you or anyone else thinks about a game.

Enjoy things, don't spend your time unenjoying yourself with something you don't like, it's an active waste of time, you are seeking to be upset about something.

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Correct homestuck has the better version

I still love it, I hope deltarune turns out just as good if not better.

It confuses me when there are dedicated shitposters who post in threads for games they don't like. Like, it genuinely baffles me that someone would waste their time in that manner

DR is already better

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When you cannot talk about Undertale without being told YEAH UNDERTALE IS SO PROGRESSIVE then yeah, the fucking game become propaganda you absolute retard.
Things do not exist in a vacuum, others can affect them, furthermore having something shoved down your throat 24/7 can get anyone angry.

Of course you tumblerites twats can pretend that is Yea Forums that hate popular things but the truth is that Yea Forums hate what it hates because much like reddit everything you touch turns into shit.

I mean, I will be upset if I'm trying to get my friends to have that same experience I had, but can't because they've seen the shitty community and all the cringy undertale shitposters.

Yeah that really happens a lot on Yea Forums you fucking retard.

Where are you spending time talking about UT? Retardera?

>Being this weak-willed
Man I'm glad I form my own opinions about games

Life is made up of unique experiences, your friends will still be just as much your friends if they can't share that same experience with you and trying to force it will only ruin it for them.

Apparently people can't enjoy the things they like without validating it through hating on things they dislike. Popularity is not an indication of quality, in fact it's a more accurate indicator of dedicated people trying to detract from it regardless of what it is.

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user never recovered
He is still screaming against the pillow every night
The fact someone enjoys a game he doesn't is too much for him

>ONE COPY OF DELTARUNE, THE NEXT SLOW BURN, BONE CHILLING, STOMACH WRENCHING, EMOTIONALLY DRAINING VIDEOGAME FROM TOBY FOX!
>I'D ALSO LIKE A LARGE SOI LATTE WITH EXTRA SOI WHIPPED TOPPING!

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Peak virginity

It tells exactly what is meant to say unless you never played a real RPG nor a real shmup in your entire life.
What Undertale takes from RPGs is the worst of it - mainly, random encounters and repetitive attack-attack-heal strategies (or spare-spare-heal, your pick). Everything else good RPGs are acclaimed for - strategic depth, character customization, exploration, varied strategies to spice up combat - is simply nonexistant.
As for the shmup side, Undertale takes the easiest route and takes an extremely binary approach to shmups. Half of the appeal of the shmup genre is the ability to hone your player skills to get better results each time. Learning bullet patterns is the most boring aspect - maximizing scoring, combos, bullet grazing, bomb management, all while keeping a constant stream of damage to your enemies, THAT'S where the real depth of shmups is. In UT, there's only one thing to "learn", and this is more reliant on memorization and trigger reflexes rather than actual gameplay depth.

Both undertale and deltarune were nice.
So was OFF
spergs gonna be mad about literally anything, basically mental illness with conservation of happiness.
make your own opinions always

Perfect example right here actually, the only reason this post exists is because the game is popular and successful.

How are you buying Deltarune in a store, only chapter 1 is out

Nah

>What Undertale takes from RPGs is the worst of it - mainly, random encounters and repetitive attack-attack-heal strategies
This makes you sound really fucking terrible at UT.

shitposting is like virtual heroin, you know
just kick the habit

>I'm bad at RPGs so they're bad
ok

>Game is popular
>Thus I will ignore its actual quality and judge it as "cringe"

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How good is someone's first game attempt supposed to be?

FLAWLESS

I still like it anyway

Delta rune when

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What's the point of adding megalovania to smash if I can't make it play on any stage or the menu?

Do you really think it would have been a good idea to let them play Meglovania on any stage they want?

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>HOLY SHIT DID THAT TALKING SKELETON JUST MAKE A BONE PUN??? FUCKING EPIC!!1

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That would explain a lot about the fans of these "games" they have no gameplay even a fucking VN has more meat than this shit.

They are marked to the "experience" kind of faggot that takes pictures of their onions latte and share them online.

This is the game equivalent of those experiences.

>no argument
ok retards
Not saying it has to be flawless. Just saying it's about time to acknowledge the flaws and realize not everyone dislikes UT because of bandwagoning.

Nigga I fucking paid for it let me put it where I goddamn want

Lurk more newfag

You're not worth arguing with, dude

user frankly your argument was vague as fuck and retarded, I don't engage seriously with idiots

Lol user walking into fucking undertale expecting a greasy pro gamer shmup with hyper in depth rpg mechanics
literal clown

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>check out the new Megalovania Smash arrangement on YT
>feel strange listening to it for some some reason
>realize it's because it came out in 20-fucking-15
Give it 3 more years max, people will start unironically feel nostalgic for it.

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The random encounter combat in both Genocide and Pacifist isnt supposed to be difficult, the harder parts of Pacifist are figuring out how to progress bosses without killing them, and the hardest part of Genocide is the actual mechanics and increasing difficulty of bosses.

Random encounters are a fun distraction for money and the novelty of figuring out how to spare each one. Pacifist only requiring any grinding at all if you struggle with some bosses and want to grab some healing with money.

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Pixel put far more effort into his newest game Kero Blaster, which costs $15.

You do dislike it because of bandwagoning though, regardless of your actual logic, you would not know about the game existing without the bandwagoning, and your time would be better spent on enjoying things that you do like rather than trying to explain what's bad about Undertale.

Tell me I'm wrong.

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Shut the fuck up you dumb cunt, holy shit can you get more obnoxious than that?

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The fuck are you talking about? Yea Forums isn't the internet. Most people loved this game. And fuck, even here on Yea Forums a lot of people liked it and still like it to this day. What is this bullshit fake narrative you're coming up with? A thread died for this you fucking inbred retard.

This "game" is such pure concentration of childish faggotry it makes your average bing bing wahoo nintendo experience look like the vidya equivalent of shakespeare. Unironically castrate yourself if you enjoy this shit.

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It was pretty surreal seeing Yea Forums work in real time. Undertale threads were pretty much universally positive from the demo until like, 2 days after it came out and became popular. Then shit posters latched on to it (I don’t think there was a single day without some kind of undertale thread for at least a year).

I generally like undertale so it makes me smile when Toby Fox ascends another level because I know it legitimately makes people seethe

>What is this bullshit fake narrative you're coming up with?
How about you read the responses above and below you?

BASED

Have you thought people would rather listen to Style Savvy music than this?

Let me try to explain this in another way, regardless of whatever people here are saying to try to detract from the game, it indicates that they derive more enjoyment from disliking Undertale than they get from enjoying something they like.

And quite frankly that's more pathetic than any wojak and pepe meme I have seen posted today.

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I didn't like undertale because the saving mechanic is boring as fuck, I hate bullet hells and although the characters are interesting, the random encounters are barely entertaining outside of bosses/notable enemies.

Deltarune was fucking amazing though.

his death will be a celebration party to all of us.
i'd shit on his grave if i'm still alive by then

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Ah yes lord cringe, what was the last game you played lol

I agree, it's almost like Toby is learning how to make a game better or something.

>I didn't like undertale because the saving mechanic is boring as fuck
Like... saving at save points? ...Ok
>the random encounters are barely entertaining outside of bosses/notable enemies.
So apart from the interesting things it wasn't interesting

I know of this game because it was talked here, tried it and it was shit.
Then streamers started abusing this shit for easy money and fucking normies roped me into trying.
I gave it a second chance thinking it actually developed into a good game.
Nope, same shit.

Some of us just don't like this game, it's a fucking bad game.

undertale is an excellent game, and the amount of butthurt that it causes in Yea Forumscels is incredible and only serves to increase my enjoyment of it.

Its a good game, though

>Saving

The saving or sparing whatever the fuck it's called, didn't like the mechanic, I feel like it was way better done visually in deltarune, encounters and sparing are only fun for so long. The actual story is interesting and the characters but not the actual "gameplay" if you can call it that.

>I tried it, and then later I tried it
...ok. I think it's kinda sad to go into a game wanting to hate it but you do you.

>How is killing in self defense not justified?
The best part about Undertale really isn't the story or music, but how smoothbrained Yea Forums is because Yea Forums actually hates exploring

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>monsters so fucking weak that they can easily be killed by a fucking 6 year old
>"MUH SELF DEFENSE"
that's like saying you killed an ant in self defense. quit being retarded.

is current year!

>Niggertale faggots insist on making Yea Forums threads even though they are not welcome, even though there's plenty of places to discuss their 3 hour long walking sim, just because they want to feel like oppressed victims
Fuck off

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>it's a fucking bad game.
Isn't that every game?

>but not the actual "gameplay" if you can call it that
...apart from the interesting encounters and bosses? Your thoughts about this game are all over the place man

>NOOOOOOO DONT TALK ABOUT GAME I DONT LIKE
>I WANT ANOTHER TWITTER THREAD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

But that's indicating that because you personally don't like the game, that makes it bad, but that's just like your opinion man.

And thank you for sharing it with us.

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Here's a real question: should I keep my Undertale and Deltarune porn in different folders or throw everything into one folder with possuble character subfolders?

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> Yea Forums made it the best game of 2013.

Perfectly understandable conisdering how fucking terrible that year was

>WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE LIKE WHAT I LIKE AND HATE WHAT I HATE WAAAAH

Hey, I'd be cool with Ring a Ding on every stage as well

GODDAMNIT

I'LL PLAY IT.
I'll give it a shot and ignore every meme this game has produced and form an unbiased opinion.

I hope I'm not wasting my time.

Is this the UT fandom's version of "games are supposed to be for kids"? Because saying "well this game is not SUPPOSED to have interesting gameplay" isn't helping your cause.

That is a fair argument, but that ignores the fact that 1) Unless you're spoiled about the game, Pacifist is supposed to be the SECOND run you do, and 2) If you really ignore the combat, there's very little actual gameplay left. The puzzles aren't difficult at all either and the hardest part is sparing Undyne.

If your argument is "well you dislike it 'cuz you know about it", well no fucking shit Sherlock. But I still played through it and found it a pretty boring experience with some few great story moments in between and good music. Saying that there's no other reason to dislike it except bandwagon is just ignoring criticism, fair and simple.

Undertale faggots are probably more welcome in most threads than you are.

I liked it, but everyone does have different tastes

>they're not welcome
lol

Your newness is showing

Dilate

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The game isn't original at all. It's a pretty generic JRPG (HURR ITS NOT JAPANESE) it just has incredible music.

I remember when the communities started mixing in the first weeks and the tumblrtards were mad about the 'genocide route' term being adopted by the community. Good times.

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>Unless you're spoiled about the game, Pacifist is supposed to be the SECOND run you do
I mean, unless you're actually good at video games user.
>If you really ignore the combat, there's very little actual gameplay left.
Uh but he wasn't saying to ignore the combat.

>reddit frog

Explain the gameplay loop then, because other than quirky characters there isn't any appeal to keep playing it after the first encounters or interactions.

>he structures shit in subfolders
I just throw everything into the same folder and then rename the filename so it has the characters name before the string of number or letters for easy search

youc an't form an unbiased opinion. you've already made it clear you're going to go in hating it.

You are a man with actual taste in a thread filled with none, I appreciate your existence user, I truly do.

I have hated Undertale since the day it came out, but I'm still happy Sans got in as a Mii costume. It's just such a hilarious inclusion I couldn't help but burst into laughter.

I guess one way to put it is that I despise the game (I have many reasons, but the easiest excuse is that I generally hate story heavy games), but I like Sans just because he's such a shitposty character.

>EXPLAIN TO ME why people like this game then!
>EXPLAIN why it sold a lot and has such high review scores
So I have to justify the game being good now?

they're fragile or whatever but they're still capable of killing you. It's self defense.

I don't understand having a burning hatred for a game you've never played but you do you

LISA > underlesbiansidequest

DESPITE EVERYTHING

I played it to see what was the fuss and to be honest i see why most people like it, i didn't, the music was fantastic though.

>Implying hating things that are popular isn't completely valid
If something has "mainstream popularity" (ie appeals to the lowest common denominator) you know it's trash without value. Just look at the capeshit era we live in.

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I don't expect you to understand things with nuance and symbolism but the point is to break the cycle of oppression against monsters, monsters are weak, so weak a 5 year old can kill the entier underground if they have enough malicious intent, that's the point, yes you can argue until you're blue in the mouth that you're just defending youself, but it's heavily implied during the game that most of the monsters don't even understand that they're hurting you, the volcano dude is just trying to give you a hug for example, and stundere-plane is just being bashful.
But that's the thing, the game doesn't EXPECT you to achieve a pacifism run first time through, you need to want it by caring about the creatures you've come into contact with, a standard run expects you to kill some dudes and spare some dudes and end on a melancholy ending where you escape the underground but nothing else really changes except the underground is left in even more ruin.
You've misinterpreted fan desires with what the game expects of you, it very much doesn't expect you to pacifist it first try, which is why it's even set up new dialog if you go for a second attempt, to keep it at least a little bit fresh.
And as for the genocide route, same thing, you're not expected to just stumble upon it, it's intentionally framed as something the player goes out of their way to do, and it uses that as part of its narrative, it turns the player into a person just grinding out numbers and it's intentionally not very fun because first of all it's trying to discourage you from doing this (because unless you fuck with the files completing a genocide run has irreversible consequences).
It resonated with people so much because it wasn't a traditional game where you're expected to beat it and see all the content, it tries to teach you genuine morals and it's narrative is very meta, it makes you and your actions a part of the story.

>lesbians and a homosexual underage goat
unacceptable.

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>It's bad because it's popular
Isn't even speaking to the quality of the work, and if you're proud of doing this you're kind of a huge cuck who refuses to try things because others have

I liked the snow area of undertale but after that it was like I was meeting people from the cringey anime club back in highschool in terms of characters

Nope. Its just a good game.

Guess it's all gotta go then

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Every day I wake up and give thanks for lacking the brain rot that would prevent me from enjoying a masterpiece like Undertale

Allow me to dab on the haters

>I mean, unless you're actually good at video games user.
This is no "git gud" issue you dumbo. The game never states how lenient or not it is about getting its specific endings until much later and it's easy to assume sparing the main crew is all you need.
>Uh but he wasn't saying to ignore the combat.
Then said combat criticisms are still valid and shouldn't be just shrugged off as "well it's not important".

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>N-no pepes and wojacks don't count for what I said

Again people expecting pro gamer experience out of a fucking indie game rpg lol

>Game is run of the mill "Power of friendship" lame ass shit
>Look at what some characters say
>There's an entire other story going on that you basically would never notice that requires you to literally look at the game inside and out to enjoy

Not gonna lie, undertale has some stuff going for it.

The fandom is the only bad part about it. Well, that and maybe the fact that pacifist run punishes you for using mechanics. That's never good.

No, the board was just flooded with zoomers since day one.

The demo was the only good part of the game, but after it came out, it was very obvious that the game had entirely blown its load on the whole meta shit.

The full release was a pale indie turd, only of interest to tumblr retards and children who didn't know any better. It's always sad to see people claiming that Yea Forums "loved" something, because with any new release, the board is filled with outsiders. That's why Skyrim had a week long period of non-stop praise, even though anyone with half a braincell could tell the game was dumbed down garbage after 5 minutes.

If all the twists have already been ruined for me, is it still worth playing?

>enjoying trannytale
>crying about trannytale being called out for being earthbound meets homestuck meets reddit
AHAHHA THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF HOMOSTUXUALS!!!

t. never bothered looking at the game files

ding ding ding ding

youtube.com/watch?v=xLsuam9o9BA

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>This is no "git gud" issue you dumbo.
Uh, yes it is. The game tells you you don't have to kill things.
>The game never states how lenient or not it is about getting its specific endings until much later
You know maybe if you stopped and thought for a minute you'd realize that killing things is usually wrong. I killed Toriel accidentally and I just reset. Who goes around killing random monsters and then is shocked by the end?
>Then said combat criticisms are still valid and shouldn't be just shrugged off as "well it's not important".
How are they still valid? You completely misrepresented his argument and lied about it.

>HOMOSTUXUALS
what

Okay, you liked parts of the game but didn't like the majority of it, I'm sure both me and the creator are sorry you didn't like it as much as you were expecting to, mostly him though.

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ignore him he is retarded

>It's always sad to see people claiming that Yea Forums "loved" something, because with any new release, the board is filled with outsiders.
so you're saying that Yea Forums truly doesn't like any game

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Would love glazed donut hell yeah

It's over 60k files, gotta do something about it

The goat boy is cute. Id fuck him

You know, I finally understand why I prefer LISA over UT. And no, not contrarianism, I'd still prefer LISA if it was more popular.
LISA is "grounded", in both story and characters.
UT trades this solidity for muh timelines and 4th wall stuff.
Yes, it's executed good and it's not Toby's only strength as a writer, but when it's one of the game's main selling points, it oftentimes takes a lot of validity out of story and character interactions you're experiencing because it's one of the "runs".

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t. Pretentious zoomer fag who enjoys homosex

That's exactly what they are saying and it's true, Yea Forums is a collective made up of individuals not a hivemind.

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I really don't fucking get why people feel attacked by Genocide or why people are trying to justify themselves to a video game of all things
It's a villain power fantasy route, monsters are literally crumbling to dust as you hack and slash through them, and even their strongest can't stop you, you should be fucking enjoying that

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The gameplay is fine for its purpose
Little creatures that can be completely obliterated by a small child are trying to attack you because they are scared and confused
If someone's young kid bit you and left a mark or maybe even drew a bit of blood would you just frag them, snap their neck in front of their parents and friends? Self defense?
Theres not a need for super hardcore gameplay. Fits the setting.

>indie earthbound ripoff
>"original game experience"
choose one.

No. I just hate the game on its own merits, in this case, lack thereof, period. Your emotions and this game's use of emotional manipulation into cult mentality means nothing to me.

Undertale getting recognition in Smash is Old Man Nintendo letting his weird autistic son know he's finally a man now that he quit being a bitchy faggot and beat kids for lunch money as hard as Nintendo beat him for money. Now all he has to do is move out of the basement and throw away the homemade fat lizard pillow he fucks nightly, and maybe Old Man Nintendo will share his Jack Daniels.

>LISA is "grounded", in both story and characters.
>UT trades this solidity for muh timelines and 4th wall stuff.
I completely disagree with this. How often do they legitimately have 4th wall jokes in UT? Heck I think that if anything, UT is grounded with story and characters and that Lisa is the one that trades this solidity for muh timelines and 4th wall stuff.

Every game is run multiple times by multiple people, you just don't like being reminded that your story and experience isn't unique, and that's understandable.

I agree it does feel a bit insulting to have that rubbed in your face, that's a valid criticism.

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>earthbound ripoff
t. Has never played earthbound or undertale

this

>Why yes, I do hate Undertale because it's popular, how did you know?

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The message of the Pacifist route is actually really poorly put together on Toby's part.
The best it actually gets is at the VERY end of the route when Flowey tells you to "Don't kill or get killed"
Basically, don't kill people but don't be a naive moron and let yourself get killed either.
The stuff with the Monsters is also not as black and white as self defence because most of the Monsters do not recongise that you're Human.
There's a book in the Snowdin Library which explains that the Magic Bullets can be used as greeting between Monsters, which means that when most of the Monsters are using their attacks they're not really trying to kill you, they're saying Hello in a way they think you should understand.
Of course the problem there is that if the game actually were to offer you a chance to explain you're Human then they'd actually be trying to kill you.

Also, the Genocide route boils down to a really heavy handed meta commentary on Grinding in RPG's.
>You grinded so hard that everyone is dead.
>The bosses can be killed in one hit.
>It's really boring, a feeling which is reinforced by the music being slow and unsettling.
The only characters in that route which offer any challenge have to actively break the 'rules' to do so.

Because you're a fat person who posts these pics online

just because it has a shitty touhou minigame tacked on doesn't mean it's not still a wannabe earthbound made by an earthbound fan.

As a fan of Undertale, but not one who is overly obsessed about it, I can say that Undertale should not be this popular, it was a good first attempt at a game and I enjoy the characters, but most of the enjoyment I get out of the game is from the fan art.

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I though Undertale was epic til Fags started giving AUs attention.

What's the purpose of this thread? You upset that people can't enjoy things? You bait people like that all the time and then complain that they are vocal about disliking it.

Yea Forums loves indie trash flavor of the month BS, its how minecraft got popular at all

Hope so do too. With the amount of people creaming themselves over it there must be something good about it.
Not true, I'll put all the Tumblr tards out of my mind and play it like it's a new game. If I like it, I like it, but fuck Tumblr regardless.
Toby did do a good job on the ost from what I've heard.

I would like to question Toby about a couple things, namely some of his narrative choices and how much his interpretation on the Mother games matches with mine

and what defines wannabe earthbound

Outside of the battle system the games are very different, the only true ripoff being the UI

This but unironically.

libtard SJWS btfo itt

>undertale isn’t just a gay earthbound rip-off with stupid meta shit thrown in
t. Cope

Pretty much unless you believe Yea Forums loves shit games like far cry or wolfestien
Also those threads had a a lot of furries in them

Emotionally, this is accurate

>Megalovania is overrated
correct
>the best tracks are ASGORE
correct
>and the Dummy battle
that ain't finale+YBN though
also i gotta thank megalovania for being the most popular track because it brought retardedly dumb shit like air conditioning megalovania and outerfell obama megalovania

>"Oh no! I killed The little pixel sprite on the screen! Im such a monster and this game is so emotional and perfect..."

Without a gameplay loop it isn't a game.
Just admit this is your Starbucks.

It's the oppsite:
>game X comes out and it's overall good, but not perfect
>(assume this is true for the sake of the argument)
>on Yea Forums someone says it s shit, someone else says it's 10/10, but most of people says it s ok
>for some reason tumblr/twitter/e-celeb trash makes the game very popular
>every single site of the planet talks about it
>people get tired of it and Yea Forums is the first to shits on it
Undertale isn't a bad game, but it's hardly perfect.
When another random fuck tells you it's a masterpiece of course you gonna get frustrated

>oh no I have no empathy and can't enjoy fictional stories or characters

Your entire argument seem to rely that Pacifism and not killing a single soul is the ONLY REAL way to play the game and that if you don't you're a dumdum with no brain and need to git gud. Neutral is an ending as well, and considering how restrictive the requirements for Pacifist are, your "git gud" argument screams more of "if you don't play this game like X, you shouldn't even play the game period".

>You completely misrepresented his argument and lied about it.
Explain.

Once again, just because it fits doesn't makes it good. The first Pathologic is also a miserable experience, and the fact that said experience was made by design doesn't makes it any better.

>jokes
When did I write anything about jokes?
I'm just saying that it relies a bit too heavily on the timeline bending/safe files being in-universe things to carry it's narrative, so it just makes overall story somewhat jarring for me.
>Every game is run multiple times by multiple people, you just don't like being reminded that your story and experience isn't unique, and that's understandable.
That's not from where my criticism stems, but ok.

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Is there any way you want someone to respond to you that you'd like that isn't just agreeing with whatever you say?

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Starbucks is expensive though. And full of sugar.

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>beat the game blind the day it released while being on Yea Forums
>several threads that last for weeks
>no hate at all, people enjoying the game left and right
Damn, it was a comfy time, getting mindblown by going in blind, its a shame that a game with genuine soul and love has such unrivaled hate bandwagon.

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I am into the fandom myself and can recognize that it handles terribly any kind of criticism from shitposts to actual elaborate posts and the idea that people might not enjoy it and see it as a good game regardless. I have a friend of mine which I made play the game right after the original launch and they weren't that much into it, the fandom keep believing that everyone liked it and if there are people that hate it now they are contrarians and it's never genuine.

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>Tfw Papyrus was orignally based on this asshole.

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>I AM SILLY

>oh no I’m a mentally ill tranny

Undertale was just someone trying to tell a story, it's a shame that more people don't have their own story to tell and would rather be negative and childish about other people's stories.

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To be honest 80% of Yea Forums narrative is constantly trying to out-hipster everything and everyone else so they're allowed to think they have taste. Never get your opinions from Yea Forums, also limit the time you spend here. Also visit chill boards and never take anything you read here seriously

>oh no emotions and enjoying things are for mentally ill people

There were no odds to beat, this game already had the support of Homestuck fans and their obnoxious need to tell everyone how much they enjoy Homestuck/Undertale just carried on.

Implying this excuse of a game has anything of value if you play it alone, people here get their fun talking about it but rarely ever you see someone talking about the actual game.

It's meta shit, subversion shit or quirky character shit, but you never see anyone actually talking much about the actual bone of the game itself.

>if I post another basedjak with CAPS LOCK dumbing down a game it'll make me look smart

UT still making incels mad, lol. Post more wojacks, kids.

t. Hipster faggot

He should have written a good one instead.

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Nah

poor man's moon

Again no gameplay loop, a bad game.

>liberal trash
wut the fuck

People hate it because the fanbase is awful and annoying

"I dont like it therefore it's not good at all"
You wish your opinion held that weight lol

Yea Forums summed up in one post

>AUs
I'm still mad at how much of a "thing" this autism turned out to be.

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Chuuni 13 year olds identified with the goofy yet "badass" Sans instead of Papyrus.

Most Undertale fans watched an e-celeb youtuber like Faggots jacksepticeye or markiplier play the entire game 3x over then watched animations before they bought it.
Not me though only the sans battle got spoiled through google for me.

Okay, let's talk about it right now, I will call you the fuck out on that, and you will run away with your tail between your legs to shitpost some more.

What is the "bone" of the game? Obviously you must mean the story between Asriel and Chara right? Personally I think it was rather well eluded to, and I understood the backstory fairly well after the first playthrough which indicates Asriel tried and failed to help Chara with a plan to collect 7 human souls.

It's not a very complicated game, you won't get me to claim it is complicated either.

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The dude you replied to is a retard but he is correct

I do this with BoTW, I never played it but say its shit forever.

I like undertale, deltarune, off, lisa, and steven universe season 1 and 2

More people liked it than know of your existence

>Yea Forums loves it
no shit, this is a board filled with trannies and faggots

>emotions are tranny
Holy onions

What is Off and lisa?

REEEEEEEE

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Considering I already gave plenty of arguments on WHY I don't like it, and the only argument you gave me is "well it's supposed to be like that", I still treat it as a valid criticism until you stop being retarded and give me a real reason to enjoy the gameplay.

I like AUs honestly, mainly for the music, since motifswaps/"song x in the style of song y" make me rock harf. The stupider AU, the better

>you HAVE to like this furry tranny redditor game because some people HATE it so if you don't like it you're just trying to fit in!

Go play something else user, instead of trying to argue about enjoying a game or not! :D

We will miss you but you should leave the thread if you don't like the game!

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that's why you're here

I'm still in the camp which prefers LISA to Undertale but I can understand why this is the minority.

Undertale is polished. Its writing style is charming. It pulls from online culture in a way which is endearing to people who use online stuff and those who grew up around Earthbound and other Online trends like Video Games, Cartoons and Anime. The game play is simple but polished. Its gimmicks make it feel more depthly and mysterious.

LISA is RPG maker. Not only that but a really rough and hard RPG maker game. I know to more experenced players that LISA will become easy when you have a good party but most players will most likely quit if they have a party member killed by a Joy Mutant or just dislike how they often or not blindsight you with a big group battle or walking off a cliff or resting only to have your whole party badly posioned or a member kidnapped. However it also has really funny dark humor and really fun party members.

Also LISA being grounded is hilarious seeing as this is the game with a Fish Man lawyer, A man who survived being shot with arrows and hanged and Rando surviving a bike hitting him at full force.

Lets not also forget. Undertale had a shit ton of porn from even the demo. Lisa had pretty much just Buddy (which is wrong) and Rando (which is SUPER wrong)

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>subverting expectations
holy pickle rick on a stick, this is epic

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Scat is a respected porn genre in Germany, that doesn't make it good, nor it makes Undertale a good game.

It's a game that went from nothing, to an internet sensation. It's a great game. This is a fact. Even the threads were good in the early period, but even back then people knew it won't last for long. So now we're here.

It sounds like you've got some videogames to play, user.

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>Emotional about an indie game
I mean yeah the story were ok but it isnt sad

Daily reminder to avoid any and all discussion with tripfags, they were the original twitter blue checkmarks before twitter was a thing.

>I dislike a game because Yea Forumseddit told me to, here's some buzzwords to prove it
What's it like being an NPC

OFF is a free RPG. You're a baseball player who's on a mission to destroy evil ghosts and purify the world. It's rather weird, you should check it out.
LISA is also a RPG, but not a free one. You're a sad dad and you go through a post apocalyptic wasteland in search of your adopted daughter.

Undertale AUs are triple cringe no thanks

It's good to people who like scat porn, you're just mad because someone doesn't like the pile of shit that you like, instead they like some other different pile of shit.

Your metaphors are really stupid, btw.

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What I don't understand is why would you enter a thread about something you don't like? Just hide and keep browsing.

>buzzwords
you know they're a buzz for a reason. toby fox is quite literally a tranny furry redditor

I liked AUs because some of them had unironically cool designs/concepts, from purely "What If..." perspective.
But when the powerlevel faggotry and selfcest came about...

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So this game is truly scat.
That really explains a lot.

It was good when it was relatively unknown, now it's just a generic culturally accepted pile of trash.

Yes, popularity has an effect on personal standards.

First post best fucking post.
understand that people hate the fanbase. not the game.

>you know they're a buzz for a reason.
not really

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how long will it be before zoe quinn destroys toby fox's life?

Because they derive more enjoyment from hating something than enjoying something, they aren't after entertaining media, they want attention and engagement and lack the necessary faculties to get it any other way.

good example of that right here

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I made something for you, Yea Forums

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>if i post a reaction picture all my problems go away!
yawn

thanks i hate it

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Why did the creator feel the need to add multiple gay people

Yeah, Austin kind of unknowingly shot himself in the foot with this "there's only one girl left on Earth and she's about 12" stuff.

A reminder,

Pixel had to make a new IP/Game because Nicals who were the guys making all the ports for Cave Story refused to let him use the right to his own game unless they could work on it.

Well I could pull out the list but I think most people have seen that one already

So is the smash fanbase but everyone loves it.

Undertale doesn't have any trannies in it.

Why do people make things up.

Post the image were Steven becomes Sans

I feel ya

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I cant help but laugh at the idea of wokack spamming losers calling Toby cringe.

Shut the fuck up Goat fucker. Go back to your general and stay there.

Is this game furry bait?

Dude, ever visited other game threads, look at 3houses, people love that shit yet I see people criticizing how easy it is or how broken flying units are.

No game is perfect and they do agree on the bad parts of their game, except for this shit, you all get so butthurt over people not praising your sacred cow.

I played this shit, I disliked this shit. The game is shit and none of you even try to explain what part of the game is attractive, it's always the experience but not the fucking game.

Objectively speaking Undertale is a bad game.

Why are you pro censorship?

I'm still typing at you instead of shutting up, oh no, I added another goat picture, of no, I am hitting submit and replying to you.

What are you going to do about it.

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where did i say it did? typical undertale fan with the reading level of a toddler

undertale is an average game, nothing in there is really unique or interesting, I would probably like it interesting if was 15.

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According to Yea Forums, literally every game and every game's fanbase has trannies in it this is board is so fucking gay that people can hardly tell the difference between trannies and biological woman anyway
Yes

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>villain power fantasy
So let me get this straight, some fucking monsters start fucking attacking me and i have to feel bad for defending myself?
I bet you feel bad for getting angry at your wife cucking you, you dirty homo

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while undertale is more fun lisa has more pure undistilled kino moments

I'm not upset that you didn't dislike the game so your entire argument just hit the ground harder than Eric Claptons son.

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if i make indie game and put my heart and soul into it do you think there is any chance of me getting those nintendo connections like toby?????

serious question!

>you will never make a game
>you will nwver be as sucessful as toby
It hurts

What's a good game?

Why do you hate America?

>original game experience
Since when is "le quirky pixelshit RPG" an original experience?

didn't like*

tetris is a pretty good game

The problem with the game is how it handles the endings.
Undertale was best played for people who know nothing about it. For most players, you gonna kill some monsters, spare others, and the result is some unsatisfied neutral end.
"Oh you're suppose to not KILL anyone for this ending" or "You're suppose to kill EVERYONE for this ending" is shit design.
Which is why Toby states that Deltarune will have one ending. If it's just a red herring or not, only time will tell but having one satisfying ending is much better than having a bunch of endings forcing you to play the way the game wants you to play it.

Im not the one whining about gays in a game, you censorship loving cock.

tetris is an objectively bad game, its repetitive and boring

Ok, imagine this. A chef puts his heart and soul into a dish. You enjoy said dish and both you and the chef carry on. Other people hear about it and think it's the second coming of Christ. There comes a point where there's no more of this dish and people start to "enjoy" the digested food (literal shit). You act disgusted because who enjoys shit? Then there's all this nasty people circlejerking around the shit. That's what happens when media gets popular.

That being said, the Sans mii outfit feels out of place and cringey in my opinion. The song is really good, though.

Empty barrels make the most noise.
I loved undertale, but I also HATE the dumblr fanbase and what it tries to do to it, and also hate the contrarians.

It drives me away from discussing it because I don't want to interact with either.

It's best to get into the discussion when the game was fresh, and opinions were more honest and the freakshow didn't latch onto it like lampreys.

Same for Deltarune. The first week or so was great. Then came the goatfuckers. I fucking hate the internet some times.

to be fair it's not really an rpg it doesn't even have many of the rpg mechanics it's just a bullet hell visual novel with an rpg theme of paint to it

You're asking for trouble discussing that here OP

of course the its the wojak poster who says this

what happens in steven universe after season 2

Its forced, games were better without gays and had western values

I never liked it originally and it was "another rpg maker game (game maker though)" (it's not an insult because I have played games from there I like more) I played. There's something which I genuine dislike in stories which are mostly cheap ways to leave impact, being by constant 4th wall breaking, pure shock factor twists, understandable since the game is short but it isn't an excuse. I didn't like the self aware of its audience humor, it makes it completely lose any touch of genuinity because you have the feeling it knows too much and fails being actually funny. I also had a problem with its characters, you don't get enough time to get invested with them before fighitng them so I was sparing them because the route needed it, not because I had any feelings for them, which made its constant emotional moments or lines like the whole toriel segment just cringe. Asgore barely get proper screentime so I couldn't care less that he doesn't want me to spare him. So Asriel, which appeared for some minutes and gave me a hug. The game can get really cheesy trying to being emotional. Chara was a mistake. Besides being too edgy in a world of cartoon talking monsters, Meta stuff makes it lose all the "simple, genuine and hearthful tale" it's claimed to have, actually I felt nothing like that. Because it was trying too hard to inject fake depth in itself and once again I had to play an indie game where it's cute with a dark side to it, jesus christ. That's not genuine at all.

But people kept pushing it. Okay, I have no problem with the fact that it's getting popular. And then the fandom started to put spins and their headcanons into holes or unexplained stuffs which pisses me off because it shows people can't accept writing flaws and problems. And then the fandom now don't consider my feelings as genuine like I was being told multiple times when I talked about this game both here and outside.

>leave Deltarune to me

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For all its flaws even a stupid VN like fate has more meat than this, at least it tries to get you to continue out of actual curiosity even if the first choices and deaths are retarded, the point is that there is an organic feeling to you wanting to know more.
Mario for all the shit it gets makes you want to move forward and jump on shit, it never gets old to jump on shit because the game understands that is fun.
People here are contrarians on Doom, but enemy variety and fun gunplay makes you want to keep pushing through, every good FPS that doesn't rely on cover or bulletsponges does this, halo comes to mind with its enemy variety making each encounter fun to shoot your way forward.

If we are talking JRPGs try final fantasy 4, the start shows exactly why those games are fun.

>undertale is a bullet hell visual novel
he's not wrong

>one person puts their heart and soul into making an original game experience
>somehow it beats the odds and resonates with people

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>we

It's called being "overrated", dumbass.

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>so I was sparing them because the route needed it
So did you play Pacifist first?

>and then the creator goes insane

Made in Abyss really does the whole "entire world in a hole" thing alot better than Undertale does. It even has cooler looking rabbit people.

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I asked for good games

We hate polcucks more

Please tell me he jumped from a bridge.

No. I finished neutral and my friend told me to try Pacifist. The only route I didn't play was genocide, I watched that on youtube. My overall opinion about the characters is that they are too much underdeveloped for me to care about them.

Haters and fanboys are equally stupid sides of teh same coin.

I quite enjoyed Undertale
BUT
I'll never replay it because aside from the intro and ending it was pretty dull.

It's that easy fellas.

>kill one enemy at the beggining
>have to play again

I fucking hate this game and i hate toby fag

FUCKING THANK YOU.

There is no replay value in this shit, thank you for actually making a decent post.

Friend the themes are pretty diffrent in those two things, also that's a pedo bait anime!

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>giving shit about Austin in year 2013+6
Who gives a shit.
He's literally disowned the game and fanbase by making everything canon and fucked off.

>Revamp still not out
>Monster update still not out.

Ninjatears is canceled you know...

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This
Heck even when only the demo was out 1 entire year prior there were buncha undertale threads on Yea Forums i only bought this game on fucking release day because of Yea Forums

This.

it's not even a real rpg it's just a bullet hell visual novel, there is not even any of the main stable rpg mechanic the stats system is very basic and hardly anything like an rpg

>d-do I f-fit in yet leddit

Fair enough, then
I assume you at least did the phone calls you can get in every area with Papyrus/Undyne

I wasnt talking themes only superficialities, but the point stands.

pedo bait is better than sjw bait

You're the only one "reee"ing here.

>polished
Eh. Composition for all the songs follow the same rule, Frisk's sprite is too fish-out-of-water compared to the rest of the game's art, and all battles play the same with each type of enemy instead of multiple solutions.

And you're as bad as the detractors, shitposter.

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I don't think it was meant to be an RPG since you forever lock yourself out of the best ending if you fight any battles and gain any exp whatsoever.

tfw millions of retarded autists are now pacifists because the manchild game taught them not to hurt their cute barney-like virtual friends

This shit isn't a bullet hell, it's a bland romp through impossible to lose combat and really pathetic characters from the tumblr school of writing.

>tfw millions of retarded autists are now pacifists
>this is a bad thing

Friend that's an anime not a videogame!

Sorry are you trying to say something user?

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Nah man, it'sjust another indiecrap.

It's an objectively good storytelling game, but the more I got to know characters the more I grew to hate them. Everything about them turns out to be so... Jewy...

>A goofy comic relief skeleton guy? Turns out he dates androgenous children.
>A badass knight? Turns out its actually a dyke.
>A genius scientist? Also dyke, as well as a weeb.
>The genocidal King of this hell? Turns out he's actually a cucked, pussy, who likes to garden, and cry a lot.

Sans, and Toriel are kind of normal, but they were never all that interesting to begin with.

with undertale you can call it an rpg game as much as you can call something like pokemon a strategy game

Go home western man

Since when is being an RPG the ability to get the objectively "best" ending at all times?

it was just okay if you played good games you'd think so too

So what is the proper listing of runs again?

>liberals
>reddit
Seething retard

Meanwhile Yea Forums flies into disproportionate fits of anger if games don't 100% live up to their ridiculous standards

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Toby's progressive politics that he works into the game is very bluepilled. Kantian philosophy is fucking retarded.

I don't actually think that's the case
I've seen a lot of varied opinions about the game itself, and we can all pretty much say the Undertale fandom is utter shit, but I've never seen anyone on Yea Forums hate on Toby Fox himself, or lament his success, which is pretty cool

So traditional (j)RPGs are walking simulators?

>...

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Why even call it a masterpiece of storytelling when the entire game is basically a Very Special Episode of a saturday morning cartoon

RAIDEN, you lack the qualifications to exercise free will.

ASSIMILATE.

i bet i can make something as a big as undertale and get invited to work on Nintendo projects as well. it looks super easy.

Undertale is literally about all the diverse types of white people across europe being forced "back into their cave" because of fear of some secret power that only they have (White privilege)

>walking sim
I do not get how this applies to Undertale. It has proper gameplay, whether you like it or not. When did this become a universal way to shit on a game?

There's hate for him but it probably comes from jealous indie devs here that don't even like the game that much to begin with. As someone that don't like the game that much either, I can't understand why people need to hate him.

because it has meta elements
but nobody considers that meta doesn't always just = good.

especially in the case of undertale trying to comment on rpgs when it's barely has many of the staple rpg mechanics.

though the flowey meta part at the start is good and is the best meta moment in the game playing on the players trust in tutorials in games but the others come off as pretentious

It's far from being a masterpiece in story telling. There are legit bad moments in the game regarding that like the final corridor where you are interrupted in each 3 steps and pretty much info dumped and how the secret laboratory is also an info dump in form of area. There are never excuses to put that inside the main gameplay.

Go do it then.

Go do it then.

Honestly what can you really lose by making some RPG Maker game?

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>played the demo two years before release
>played the full game on day 1
>tfw completely untainted, unmemed experience
Feels good being ahead of the curve sometimes.

okay i will. it honestly doesn't look that hard to make a game that is super successful to get nintendos attention, people have achieved harder feets than that before so i won't have any problem in doing it,

Stop responding to the thread and go do it then, you're just going to continue being a nobody loser if you stay here and shitpost.

spoiler: he never makes it

you don't use rpg maker if you want to get the attention of the big boys, yume nikki was good but it has become to much of a meme game engine for people to take your game seriously that you made it in rpg maker

thanks for the truest words i have ever heard,
i would rather be hanging out at nintendo hq than hanging out shit posting here so i'm going to leave and make it

I can tell you that that doesnt mean anything. To the moon is getting a nintendo switch version.

>make side scroller beat em up
>is actually a strategy rpg with battle royal elements
>all characters are homosexual tumblr art style and furry shit
>cringey emotional story so teenagers can feel 2deep4u
>profit

Spoiler: he’s projecting

Toby worked on the Homestuck flash games and the IP for years which was a wildly popular and well known multi-media project, all he did was take the formula that already worked and flesh it out with his own characters that he made up. You don't just make one of these games in a year or two, this game was half a decade in the making.

You have a distorted view. Most people just hate the fanbase, but the even greater majority don't care.

but to the moons creator hasn't had his characters put into smash or made music for gamefreak.

they did get an anime though if i remember correctly so i give them that

undertale is just inspired by earthbound
yume nikki is inspired by earthbound
undertale was inspired by yume nikki and earthbound.

just make a game and say you were inspired by earthbound and add meta moments and quirky humour and profit. it's not that hard

You don't need to have your characters in smash to be very successful. Specially from a game like to the moon that isn't focused in being a cartoony anime game and more of a pure emotional experience.

I've come to call this process the Yea Forumscycle
>Game is announced, occasional hype threads pop up.
>Demo is released, nitpickers here and there post really autistic criticism, "chin is too pointy" tier. They are generally ignored, Yea Forums is still fairly hyped.
>Game comes out, most people are generally positive but nitpickers grow in number. At this stage the "other site likes this game" card is thrown a lot
>A few days after the game came out, the "other site likes this game" is cemented and discussion of the game is no longer allowed, the threads shitposted to death.
>Game 2 is announced, the process repeats.

i don't think switch supports rpg maker so i'm sure for two the moon they had to take all the assests and port it into a switch friendly engine

I'm not sure who you are lying to besides yourself, but have fun.

The problem itself is before that and the new mentality which merged from reddit invading to begin with, now we have revisionfags trying to change that part and falling on their asses by showing how new they're over buzzwords, point is, they try to force it to a hivemind by being as loud as possible while samefagging to try and sway people to their side, as way of their own downvote/upvote they're so used to do because God forbid you enjoy something they don't, going as far as coming to a thread which they don't like and trying to berate anyone that would think differently than them. Although that did happen before, now it's louder than ever since that godforsaken system is so ingrained into their single digit IQ brains.
There's also the other part which is composed of bitter faggots that can't get over anyone else cancerous liking their once liked game and thus think bashing it is the solution as if they're any superior about it.
Both of these people are just empty husks, devoid of properly having fun, sucking away fun from others with their cynism and not being able to fully enjoy things on their own accord.

Based and redpilled this, bluepilled this, cringe, boomer/zoomer, this, this, this. It's just being sheeple further confirming how much of a plague they're in the first place, unknowingly not realizing how cancerous they're themselves.

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This shit was unbearable in Deltarune. One gay character after another. There must be like 5 -10 implied love interests in that game, and all of them are gay. At this point it's not even a matter of politics, it just cuts the suspension of disbelief.

Are you trying to tell us something by any chance, Toby?

Blame also /pol/tards thinking everything is about pushing agendas down people's throats.

That was a very clumsy post, you should have edited it.

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I didn't because it's on both sides and you know it.

Regardless of who you are taking sides with, you should still do your best to not sound clumsy doing it.

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More people discovered the genocide run

Die mad frog boy.

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You never played Undertale

Everyone knows he is a faggot.

Just throw it all in one folder. Then again I only need one folder to begin with.

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spaghetti

>5 -10 implied love interests in that game, and all of them are gay
list 'em

It's not the game. It's the cult of Undertale. Not a fanbase, a cult. They are loud, constantly self-congratulating and most importantly they insert themselves everywhere. I have literally been walking around my city and found Undertale cosplayers taking photos of each other in the park while screaming quotes.

The reason we hate you all is really simple: Undertale is a good game but you pretend it's one of the best and never shut the fuck up. Look at how many Undertale defence threads you guys put up daily. Of course we hate it because you get sweaty at us even disliking it. The game has a shallow combat system, simplistic childish views of morality and several lackluster plot resolutions. You are more than entitled to like this game but if you don't get why people are annoyed by it then it's because you are the mouthbreathing problem with vidya.

you're the first honest contrarian I've ever seen

alphy has a crush on asgore
alphy has a crush on undyne
asgore has a crush on toriel
toriel has a crush on sans
undyne has a crush on alphys
papyrus has a crush on frisk
sans has a crush on toriel
bugerpants has a crushy on the cat and croc girls
everyone has a crush on mettaton

Red Pill incoming.
Undertale is fine but it didn't really deserve to blow up like it did over other, better made indie games.
Toby can do better but the success of UT has gotten to his head and he's just going to coast on it while getting gigs making music for games.
UT's fanbase is absolute cancer.

lukewarm take

>Toby can do better
Isn't Deltarune the game he really wanted to make anyway?

You don't have to be so ashamed of admitting that things are good.

You're not going to make it with all that envy and bitterness you harbor. If you do show it off though please mention that you were the shit poster seething about the Sans Mii costume in Smash

toby should just make music and not games

I love how he retains the same position in the grave

Wow what an original thought

>4 years
>4
>fucking
>years
>and niggers on Yea Forums still seethe just from the mere presence of this game.
>using the actions of the fanbase to say "thing bad because fans did a bad thing, stop liking thing"
>shitposters actually HOPE someone accuses him of rape
>now that undertale has gotten represented in Smash Yea Forums has gone fucking nuclear with hatred and envy.

Undertale will remain a hit until the death of the universe. And there's nothing you can do about it.

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Becomes a slice of life except bad with no overarching story because in between season 2 and 3 the fans picked apart literally everything possible that could happen, would happen, did happen, and might have happened, until the creator said fuck yall I got nothing to work with now god damn lol

I already have the PS4 version but seeing it's on sale and I have $15 eshop dollars, is there anything special with the Switch version?

>i'm not bitter nor do i envy toby all i'm saying is it doesn't look hard to do what he did.
also i'm not doing that, why would i shoot myself in the foot before i even start by showing my Yea Forums posts?

I don't have anything against the game at all, I just think all the people who build a personality around it are fags. I'd gladly play the game but not associate with anyone who hangs out with the "fandom" of the game.

>Toby can do better but the success of UT has gotten to his head and he's just going to coast on it while getting gigs making music for games
You were literally proven wrong in October last year.

Undertale best game

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How hard did he work on it?
Looks simle as shit, just the music and story being the hardest things

Based sansfrogposter. Nothing wrong with liking a good game.

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Honestly my opinion of the game has only soured over time, and things that didn't bother me as much about the design only bother me moreso as time passes.

Deltarune Part I was a disappointment which all but confirms that he has little interest in doing anything outside of the UT box he's crafted for himself.

What? No. Quit making shit up. Sans and Papyrus are based on characters from this webcomic.

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I liked the game when it first came out, but now you can't say you do because you share the pool with "people" like this

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Yea Forums likes a lot of things, then faggots like you come around and endlessly shitpost about how you don't like it therefore nobody's allowed to like it.

You know there's a thing called "ignoring" and "distancing yourself" from shit like this and you can still like a series right.

pleb

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more like tumblrtrannytale

UT is an utterly cancerous game designed from the ground up to appeal to overweight women who can't actually play games. Every facet of the game is designed around this, which is why the combat is braindead aside from one completely optional fight on the edgy path no woman would ever do anyway, and the characters are all intensely annoying, with a really pathetic meta story where the author seems to get high off his own farts and really thinks he's making some kind of point about literally anything.

It's not a good game. I went in day one, before the fanbase, and I found a game that REVOLTED me. I was completely insulted by the bland illusion of choice, culminating in the last boss, which is a fight you literally cannot lose because each successive attack does half the damage of the last one. I don't mind story games, but what I take issue with are story games that pretend to have gameplay. It's the same reason I think Telltale shit is cancer, and a completely wrong way to tell a story in an interactive medium.

I think I remember reading about a few details or maybe a secret thats only on the switch version. Probably not worth it unless you just wanna play it again

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I'm not saying I don't like it, I'm just saying the well poisoned to enjoy it with others

UT is truly a meme game it had decent popularity for an indie game when it released then blew up years later because of shitty sans Tumblr memes

>an utterly cancerous game designed from the ground up to appeal to overweight women who can't actually play games
So basically every game Yea Forums likes

We have as much shitposting bait threads as defense threads like this here. You can only blame yourselves for making of it a reddit sub here.

kero blaster is one of the best platforms in existence, and sadly underlooked.

>mfw dislike the game and even know more about it more than fans themselves

HAHAH WHOA EPIC
HAHAH GOTTEM
LOLO UPVOTED

Concession accepted

Yea Forums is hypocritical trash. It's full of babdwagoning hivemind yards that like or hate things because of the dumbest reasons.
Someone should just delete this whole site, honestly itll be better for us all.

Undertale is the BIGGEST, and I mean BIGGEST, JOKE in game history ever.
The fact that it got so popular and praised as a MASTERPIECE really scares me.
It was funny at first seeing the autists losing their shit over it but then it got out of hand.
It's literally impossible for Undertale to be anything more than a mediocre "muh determination" little rpg for children.
I can get why Minecraft was popular. I can get why competitive games like League of Legends and Fortnite were popular.
Undertale? Nope. Nothing about it deserves that much praise. The people who thinks its that amazing are no different from the retarded people that join cults.

>Concession accepted
So just like Yea Forums haha amirite bois?

To be fair, the IGN reviewer of the game was confirmed at time the review came out that they were new at doing reviews. The game got a pass for being bad spritework, lackluster gameplay specially in depth and some uninteresting area designs, while other indies that were similar like lisa got judged in more technical aspects. It's kind of a biased review you shouldnt take that serious, neither I do.

>Implied that King is fucking Rouxls Kard (however you spell that)
>Kings son (forget his name), has a crush on Ralsei
>Goat Girl at school has a crush on Suzy
>...uhhh
>Alphys, and Undyne are in this game, if that counts...
Okay maybe I'm full of shit, but it feels like there were more than that, if anyone else remembers any that I missed.
point is any mention of romance in this game is gay. That's not believable to me.

Kneel

Yea Forums is pretty much a cult anyway

How would Toby react to this thread?

only three out of the 9 you listed is a gay relationship and 1 of them is just a repeat (really 8 the last one is stupid. Mettaton makes no physical appearance and is implied to be a shut in neet in deltarune universe.)

youtu.be/pA9uy3KdeEU

you forgot the reindeer dyke

He would try to not care and move on just how when we see things like this and feel something inside since we arent sociopaths but it's not like our life will end because of it so we move on.