How come the Gran Turismo Franchise lost it's relevance?

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5 and 6 were incredibly lazy games. They should have just scrapped them both and devoted as much time as they could to making Sport the real "GT5".

Does mainline Forza have greater car variety? I'm sick of seeing nearly every Ferrari or Lambo ever made but only getting 3 different Civics. I want to drive econoboxes.

SHould've just delayed GT5 and polished it until the PS4. PS3 didn't really need a gran turismo and there were other playstaion exclusive racing games.

Hey, that's where I live

Forza has far better car variety in comparison to Gran Turismo 10 miata copies 10 or 20 skyline copies etc. you can drive a fucking crown vic, a transit van or a limo.

They got weirdly inefficient in development after 4, it took forever for them to finish 5 and it ultimately felt like a huge disappointment when it got released. At the same time, Forza Motorsport evolved rapidly and ultimately had more unique cars, more tracks, better AI (granted, it’s still not great), and just became the better series. If Gran Turismo wants to reclaim its place, it would need a new GT4 style fuckhuge release that pushes boundaries, but at current rate, it would take Polyphony 15 years to do it and it would be outdated on release.

Get out of here. Motorsport is still ass compared to GT. The only good forza is horizon

Play Project Cars 2

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When a loading screen takes longer than the race itself the game has a problem.

That was my experience with GT5 and I forgot the serie s afterwards.

also forza has menus that aren't designed by a retard and simcade that plays better while gran turismo is better if you want to become racing since their arcadey driving is focused towards cranking understeer, oversteer, brake lock, abs and loss of traction to 11111000%

What even happened to Gran Turismo Sport? I remember being curious about the game close to launch but decided against getting it due to the esport focus, and then I never heard about it again.

FUCK FORZA AND FUCK NIGGERS

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They update it pretty frequently with new cars

>How come the Gran Turismo Franchise lost it's relevance?
Because they stopped making good games and got raped to death by Forza.

I mean fuck between Gran Turismo 4 and the absolute turd that was Gran Turismo 5 we got...

Forza 1 which was god tier
Forza 2
Forza 3

Then we got Gran Turismo 5 and it was as steaming pile of shit, then a few months later we got...

Forza 4 which was god tier
Forza 5 which was eh
Forza Horizon which was god tier
Forza Horizon 2 which was god tier

Then we got Gran Turismo 6 which should have just been a fucking patch for Gran Turismo 5 and it was still shit.

Etc etc

there's way more good racing vidya now

>Forza 1 which was god tier
I was replaying this the other day and it's incredible how well it still holds up and how great the driving feels. Forza 1 + Rallisport Challenge 2 were absolute technical marvels on the OG Xbox.

They missed their own point. People loved buying and upgrading shitboxes in old games and throwing them in the track. That said, GT Sport is a very decent game even though I first thought it was shit

lame visuals, worst menus in vidya, boring gameplay/music/content

It's a ps exclusive.
Make it multiplatt and people will play it again.

This, I don't like Sim games at all but like casual driving games to play while listening to music or podcasts. Horizon 3 got my interest just because it was set in Australia then I heard it not a proper sim, played it and loved it then got and love Horizon 4 too.

This

GT Sport is the best GT game in terms of pure driving, you get free DLC every month with a new track and 2 handfuls of cars. The campaign works and feels like GT but the only thing it needs is prize cars, it didn't get irrelevant, you've just lost interest because the game isn't just a singleplayer experience but focused on the online aspect which is close to sim racing.

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i liked the menus, they had style and were unique. i just didn't like how long the loading took between each screen

Should mention that i went from GT3 to Forza 3 and then from Forza 7 to GT Sport, and Forza is an absolutely shit franchise right now.
Forza 7 is dead and has been dead since launch, Forza Horizon 4 is only fun to build and drive around as online is just
>AWD Swap
>V8/V10/V12 Engine swap
>some sort of turbo or supercharger
>fuck around with tuning settings in an absolutely retarded way
>win
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>Gran turismo
>sim racing
It's simcade

i played some 15 hours of forza horizon 4. tend to agree, it's fun for a bit but it's too arcadey for me. i miss gran turismo 3 and 5, those were my favourites that i played a lot.

I tried playing GT Sport at launch but it came off as very pompous. The pretentious of it just pissed me off so I stopped.

i feel like that's every driving game since underground 2. for some reason they decided that every driving games needs some annoying faggot talking to you every time you finish a track or go through another menu 'WHOA GREAT JOB BOSS NICE ONE, YOU'LL BE READY FOR THE BIG ONE SOON ENOUGH, SPONSORS ARE EYES OPEN' blah blah fucking cancerous shit. whoever designed the first one to be like a fucking event season with fake radio announcers and shit should be fired. it's the fucking worst. go play old games like rage racer, there's no fucking bullshit announcers or fake radio personalities. it's just driving

There's 2 occasions which are forced and that's driver etiquette which is forced if you want to go online, but other than that there's nothing except maybe menu skipping after an update comes out if you don't care about patch notes.

>whoever designed the first one

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This is what I want. Get a cheap car, and make it your own. I've been playing Project Cars 2 but the campaign is basically just progressing through different race series

Because GT Sport

GT5 was delayed by about 3 years as it is

>we are going social because its trendy
>like 70% of the game is online
>VR is just a mode with restrains all over
>less and less cars
>same with the tracks barely remaking old ones
What did you expect?
Its only relevant because of the millions poured into the GT academy and similar events.

RR5 actually had the fake radio personality and the first RR had the boisterous announcer. it's a feature that continues today. Rage Racer is the odd one out on purpose.

also the best shit is in R4 when you are approaching the leader and the announcer goes "YEAH, TAKE CARE OF THIS LOSER!" and "SHOW 'EM WHO'S THE BOSS" as you overtake them.

shit's fucking awesome

Console exclusive. I can't believe I will have to buy a ps4 just to play gt and three other games.

Gran Turismo 5 was a huge dissapointment considering how long they took to actually release the full game, that left a mark in the series, Gran Turismo 6 was better but it still didn't reach the level of the best GT games and then instead of improving it they went with Gran Turismo Sport which was a mess at launch, game is far better now and I place it above Gran Turismo 6 but that troubled launch didn't help the franchise either

Gran Turismo 7 is their real chance at being back at the top again, I hope Polyphony Digital stops being slow ass fucks and this time they can manage to release the game in the first year or two of the PS5

Also Gran Turismo 3 > 4 > 2 > Sport > 6 > 1 > 5

No main series game for Gen 8
They should have made GT6 a PS4 title and not feel coerced into making it HD detail porn.

>huge dissapointment
in what way? i got a ps3 and gran turismo 5 and was very satisfied with it, combined with the online i probably put 200+ hours in. i beat all the campaign stuff with gold medals except for the final formula 1 series (too long, too hard, i suck at it couldn't beat it), all the licenses, messed around with all the retarded supercars, i think it's a great game

You have to release games for it to remain relevant.

it was considered a failure because 90% of cars were standard

and those cars were better than premium ones

So what's the current best series for driving shitboxes and slowly upgrading them with turbos and stuff like back in the days of GT1 and GT2?

The new need for speed maybe?

oh so they didn't have interiors for first person mode camera that's right. that was kind of lame but i always use the hood cam where you can't see any of the car anyway

>series for driving shitboxes and slowly u
grand theft auto 5 online CAN be that if you play it a very specific way but it's not worth the agony. you could just emulate those old games? ps1 emulation is so great now, PGPX eliminates texture warping, and we can overclock the cpu now to get most games running solid 30fps where they used to drop to 10 (playing Apocalypse i noticed this the most, the framerate was awesome on 130% overclock)

>which is close to sim racing
I don't play any racing games but I find that incredibly hard to believe.

Its relevant in its niche genre tho

It hasn't.
GT7 is going to sell at least 10 million.

Gran turismo 4 was the best game of them all you imbecile.

Too much content
I genuinely believe that is a fault

Because GT stopped being a graphics showcase as PC gaming started to regularly outdo consoles.

based mid-late 2000s

The driver rating system works like iRacing, same as the penalty system (except the second is kind of broken in both games), the driving feel of the cars is close enough to reality. It is simcade but it's on the line and it feels very nice and smooth to play.

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>which is close to sim racing.
no.
You'd know this if you'd ever taken your car to 9/10ths

The simulation aspect is actually dogshit compared to what you can find on the PC.

Not if PS5 costs an arm and a leg

Doubt it , game devs have lost their touch and racing games have just turned into Pokemon for cars (gotta catch'em all!) and marketing gimmicks for car companies, less of a game and more of an experience

The original RR announcer is still the BEST and I'll fight anyone who disagrees.

They only make a Gran Turismo every 5 years unlike MS that releases a new Forza every other year.

Racing games are literally perfect for microtransactions. Just sell each car for $4.99 and watch the money stream in.

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GT5 happened.

>Forza is an absolutely shit franchise right now.
>Forza 7 is dead and has been dead since launch,
How so?

I blame Top Gear.

So is your problem with the 'pompous' interface style, or with the presence of voiceovers at all?

GT5 took so long to launch that it lost to other competitors that could keep games releasing. It lost even more relevance when pc became as cheap and easy as it did around GT5 and leading into GT6.

You can get any type of racer you want on PC. Why settle for a sim-lite game that uses ps2 assets? If you are stuck in mongo console land with no PC, even Xbox was releasing constant games.

Because it is secretly still the only racing game relevant to the actual niche racing fans.
GTSports has around 10m players and they have generally perfected everything there is to perfect in the simulation.
Gran Turismo is also the only car game that is relevant to actual car sports outside of gaming. I believe GTS is certified by FIA and everything.

OLD BAD NEW GOOD

They took far too long to make them and the results were mediocre
Forza just did the same shit but on a two year cycle and without having half the cars lack cockpit view

It hasn't lost relevance to me

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I want the series to go back to literally RPG but with cars, starting in shitty, used, weak car and then building up, having to chose upgrade for my shitty car or save for new one. I fucking hate roulette spins and free cars every fucking minute (especially in forza)

Truth

>Top Gear
>pompous

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Game was a slightly better Forza 6 that had less race cars (Audi R8 and Bentley Speed 6 are completely missing), no class hoppers in multiplayer so you HAD to race in the hoppers that you were granted each week, no new interesting cars other than the GT2 RS which handled like complete shit, and now the only reason you'd play Forza 7 is community leagues since they aren't going to add content to it anymore even though they wasted god knows how many DLC spaces for DLC with things like the Doritos Car Pack which added a bunch of SUVs that nobody fucking wanted instead of modern race cars like the 488 GTE, AMG GT3 et cetera et cetera.

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GT sport is literally gt7 prologue, a place to store 2 months to make cars, in preparation for GT 7

>european
>black hand
of course

This.
There is a reason that they are making the cars with as much fidelity to fit 8k resolutions without everything looking highly polygonal.

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Microtransactions have killed entire genres because of their bullshit

i am not the guy who said pompous. voiceovers sparingly used is fine, having a 'handler' that is like an agent supposedly setting you up with each race and acting as your manager, is instantly just makes me drop the game, like nope, not listening to your shit for 30 hours

>Gacha game with car girls

Because people don't like cars as much as they did in the 90s and 00s. Also because GT5 had a lackluster launch and GT Sport is a total joke.

>GT Sport is a total joke
no

I..is that gameplay footage?

I'm Australian Anglo white. Wtf

>GT Sport is a total joke
lol you have no idea what you are talking about.

yeah the new weather update

Ah yes, the game that took over a year to get basic functions and a car list that wasn't absolutely laughable is somehow not a joke and a blight on the series.

>tfw sort of looking forward to the new grid but know the MP will flop hard because it's not GT or forza and doesn't even have crossplay

GT Sport =/= GT 7
That's why

The game is made for the FIA as a multiplayer, more skill-based multiplayer game, it's not a traditional GT and that's the reason it's not called GT7. You have free DLC every month and you can still experience old GT in it with licenses, driving missions, circuit experience and career mode.

And unlike Forza it has modern GT cars

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GT7 is pretty much PS5 launch title.

Can i sell duplicated cars?

>to get basic functions
such as what?

Oh I don't know, a fucking career mode for example?
Wow great, after 2 years they finally made the game have content. Thanks polyphony!

>Oh I don't know, a fucking career mode for example?
How is that a basic function? This was supposed to be an online multiplayer oriented game with a few offline elements that you can use for practice.

The career mode was added since people wanted it, and you got it.

>no demo
Honestly this sucks. I don't know how I feel about genre now. I want to try but no demo.

They're more interested in going to car shows than making videogames.
Reminder that Horizon 4, the casual version of Motorsport, has BETTER tuning options than GT sport who only allows you to use milage to level up cars.

gran autismo

gran turismo 4 emulates driving a car more accurately than so called sims, yet it's considered a simcade, why is that?

and no, cars don't understeer heavily at 30kph or lock their brakes at 30% usage

Because in fifth game they ditched the idea of buying a second hand car and then slowly grinding your way up to all the super and touring cars. Also the fifth game took way too fucking long to make.

>cars don't understeer heavily at 30kph or lock their brakes at 30% usage
they sure do in GT4: the real understeer simulator

turn off assists. but I was mostly thinking of shit like assetto corsa where underster = you're out. in GT4 it's manageable and feels semi-accurate

Because its not accurate at all. There is a force placed on the car to stop it doing flips and shit when it gets air. This force is applied 100% of the time. It makes the settings for the suspension backwards.
It also didnt do wheelspin very well.
Gt3 had much better physics.

>Horizon 4
Damn this looks so good. What's PS4 alternative? Xbox/PC has horizon and motorsport. PS4 has only GT sport. And Xbox/PC has Halo for online. PS4 has nothing and killzone is dead

>What's PS4 alternative?
Nothing, sadly. The Crew "tried" to be a multiplat version of that but it's just bad

The Crew 1/2
Need For Speed
DriveClub but I think it might've been delisted. Someone correct me if wrong.

>Gt3 had much better physics.
couldn't agree more, I emulated it with a wheel recently and it's fantastic, driving a turbo miata has never been more fun. great workout too lol

Getting windows 10 unfortunately. Really I'd just get a second hand xbone, they're dirt cheap and you can get horizon 2 as well which is even better (though the dlc is impossible to buy now)

IT'S THE FINAL SECTION - HURRY!

Because the last main GT came out 6 years ago and there's not a single game this gen besides that esports garbage. We used to get 2 games each gen.

no don't play it unless you have a wheel
also ps4 version looks like shit and the AI is beyond retardation and wet tyres somehow are faster in any condition

I feel like car racing games in general lost their relevance, not just GT.

Stopped focusing on the UI and music.
Forgot that it is a video game.
Stopped being Gran Turismo 3.

>Reminder that Horizon 4, the casual version of Motorsport, has BETTER tuning options than GT sport who only allows you to use milage to level up cars.
that's because the game is made for online and upgrading the cars is useless in online since there's BoP
also if we're talking about motorsports then racing teams don't just go to the shop and buy better car parts that's not how it works

but it didn't
GT Sport is considered the best online racing game on console and probably of all of them besides iRacing

>forza more realistic than gran turismo
I don't think so buddy

yikes!

racing games are not as popular as they were in the 2000's but GT Sport is absolutely relevant in the racing games genre and certainly more relevant than Forza Motorsport
Yea Forums and americans in general aren't very in touch with racing games these days anyway

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