Explain why you dislike this game without using "anime" or "weebshit" as arguments

Random gacha for blades make team composition fucking annoying as you will end up with someone getting all the 5 stars.

having a million voice assets playing over each other during battles really ties the room together, i did find that part charming and fitting

>battles take ages
Nice try kotaku blogger. Battles are actually too fast.

the combat was slow, unintuitive until the 20 hour mark when it fully unlocks, and the writing was just bad. the environments were cool and the graphics were appealing, but i didnt enjoy the gameplay aspects so i dropped it

but i dont like it because i dont like anime

>awww shiet its some big fuck mob thats in your way
>dont worry tho, its the same level as you
>need only 4368 hits to get through this ez

Obrona and Jin are way too overpowered.

git gud

Explain why you like it first.

>Explain why you dislike this game
I don't. In fact, there isn't a Xenoblade game I dislike. I'm also excited for the Definitive Edition of 1 since it's been 8 years since I've played it and I was thinking about replaying it once I'm done with my second playthrough of 2. Guess I'll have to replay X instead while waiting for XC1DE.

some really awful mechanics that don't even look good on paper like the gacha blades, mercenary missions, blade growth locked behind mundane shit and field skills

it feels like they wanted to make a mobile game but were forced to make a console game

Thank you follow fan, I too love every game in the Xeno™ series, and plan to buy all future merchandise and DLC.

Every single cutscene has a place in Shrek's cringe compilation.

Combat is slow as fuck and boring in the beginning, with standard enemies taking too long to kill.
Arts aren't as varied as the original Xenoblade, in terms of effects and uses, only 3 accessible at a time and most are just damage dealing.
Blade RNG Gacha.
Rex is not a compelling protag.

The side quests were changed from simple things you mostly do as you explore to tedious repetitive ordeals where you run back and forth between the quest giver and all over creation.
I still enjoyed the game, but some of those side quests, man.... They ran my patience thin.

literally no argument. If you think battles taking over 5 minutes for normal mobs arent long you are probably fucking autistic. Kill yourself you fucking niggers.

For me it's just that the gameplay feels like an offline mmo, and the mmo part is a huge turn off.

MEH MEH MEH

My favorite blades are fucking garbage

I've had my Switch for over a year now and it hasn't gone on sale once.

Show a clip of a battle actually taking that long mr Schreier.

>it takes him 5 minutes to fight normal mobs
holy fuck my dude GIT GUD

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Shitty auto-attack combat

t. played on easy

I don't dislike it, i just don't want to waste time and money to play it. It's probably is good, but graphics in handheld mode bother me a bit, the plot, the humor and type of dialogues, artysle does as well, mix of hentai artist's waifus, nomura's bad guys feel weird to me. It's probably a good game. Not a huge xeno fan, tried xenogears and never completed it, xenoblade 1 i did play all the way through and liked it a lot.

This.
Combat is boring
Story takes years to get interesting
Getting from point A to B is a slog

I tried to finish but dropped it twice. Once when Roc gets stolen, then again when I got to Rex's hometown.

there were no difficulties when i played it, the fights took ages for no reason

Meant to quote

>we have to go through this shit with every new xeno release
A toast to more shitposts and this is too anime bullshit. I really feeling it shulk

>Yea Forums suddenly hates Xenoblade 2
What the fuck happened?

literally never played the game

You just be new.
XB2 has always been a love it or hate it game

t. used elemental combos and art cancelling

I don't.
It's the best Xeno game since gears

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Oh it's an Xfag thread. Well that explains a lot.

the problem is that every enemy starting from level 1 is scaled to incorporate all that shit plus chain attacks, when you dont unlock them until well into gormott. the early game was such a drag that alot of people dropped it because there were STILL combat tutorials on uraya

I didn't play it lol. I just hate on it because it's a JRPG

t. Kept Nia with only healing blades early on instead of going full attack when healing and tanking wasn't necessary yet

He was butthurt after the last thread where people were calling him out on how shit his taste is and how poorly read he is to think X's story is good

RNG decides what each person is allowed to have, another fantastic feature this game has. none of those generic blades are better than dromarch. in fact for 12 hours the only rare blades i had were story given and fucking perun, who i couldnt upgrade

You get pity rares quick as fuck retard.
Game basically shoves 4 rares in your face early on, especially if you grab any of the few legendary cores sitting around.

get fucked, my friend got pissed at me because he watched as i cracked 3 rares out of 10 common core crystals

Kinda butthurt you have to buy a whole nother game and DLC packs to get the whole story. At this point I’m waiting until I have some spending room to actually get the other game before I finish the base game.

generic blades are barely worse than the special kornflake ones.
perfect for topple combos and element buildup for sure.

XC2 is a complete story on its own
Torna is just a supplemental story. At best it makes you sympathize with Jin and Mythra more, but it's still something that should be ideally played after the game is beaten.

You realize generic blades give you the best stat bonuses and are required for min maxing certain strats right?

>A new game gets announced and you guys are still talking about Xenoblade 2.
Why?

>New
Some of us are tired of retards whining about soul vs soulless.

no Armour that changes your outfit in anyway, quests don't lead to secret areas most times, no bubble chart showing you how the people have relationships or why they are important, and not even a party triangle chart showing the relationships between playable character.
i give it a snow cabbage/rebuild colony 6

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I actually love this game. Helps that I'm not getting triggered by "anime" and "weebshit", like the people who complain about them on Yea Forums who don't even belong here in the first place.

Anime can be shitty too

>and not even a party triangle chart showing the relationships between playable character.
Good. Grinding character affinity was retarded and having those scenes just always available is unironically a good thing

I always knew that people who complain about the battles taking too long actually have 0 idea how the combat system works and what they are doing, but thanks for confirming it nevertheless.

I get that, but I’d still like to have the game ready to go for when I beat XC2, and I also still need to buy the DLC, so I’d be dropping a good chunk of change. Still. That’s the next thing on my “to buy” list, but in the mean time I’ve been playing my backlog so I’m not in a huge rush.

There has always been that one guy who creates hate threads and unsuccessfully attempts to shift the narrative into Yea Forums hating the game since it released. He always gets BTFO without fail, so idk why he is even trying.

Your mistake is thinking that they actually care about that. XC2 is anime cringe because they don't want to pay for a second console. Dating your teacher who is also cleaning your house in a maid costume is high literature because it's on a console they do have.
It's sour grapes all the way down.

Never said it can't be.

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>Brings up Persona 5 out of nowhere
Rent free

This.

So why do you get so triggered when Vita tier otaku trash gets rightfully called out?

>Battles are actually too fast.
Actually this. I don't even remember the last time I could finish a driver combo on a regular mob before it died. Completing a full element burst is actually literally impossible to finish on anything other than a superboss because things die too fast.

You literally did not understand the gameplay if normal enemies took you that long at any point in the game. I know the tutorials are shit and non-repeatable so that's on the game for not teaching people properly but if you do play it properly things melt instantly. Before the difficulty mode patch the game was completely trivialized by being just a few levels over what you were fighting, including bosses.

What if I think both Xenoblade and Persona are anime cringe?

Early game is too slow. Late game is too easy,

its love or hate.
love will usually say the game is perfect with zero flaws and scream like a bitter incel at anyone who disagrees.

hate usually talks about how the body models are barbies tier with big booty bitches and most of content in this game is big booty bitches blades.
i still believe most people had fun at some point but there is burnout on how slowly the plot moves.

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Because most of they are getting "called out" solely because they have anime aesthetics, not because they are actually bad. Those people don't belong here.

youtube.com/watch?v=FS99h5pJY2E
YOU DUN!
MEH MEH MEH
THINK YOU CAN TAKE ME!?
DON'T FORGET ME!

It's unironically worse than "enemies everywhere" from Mass Effect.

Most of them just get written off as being anti-anime because they call it cliche, you guys act like you have to love everything about anime, or you don't really like it.

youtube.com/watch?v=rmnZ0R8quWM

>being a dubfag
Your suffering is self-inflicted.

I love Xenoblade 2.If other people don't like anime girls is not my problem just let me be.

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Will Xfag ever recover?

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You don't have to love it, but if you base your argument for the game being bad because it has anime aesthetics or anime cliches and nothing else, then why yes, you are triggered by anime and should get the fuck off this site.

If you think this is any better than the English dub, check yourself in for a brain damage.
youtube.com/watch?v=mPPJJ_Dk1wY

>namefag

Voice acting. I don't know if anyone else said it yet, I haven't pruned the thread, but the voice acting is terrible.

>Bringing up xfag out of nowhere
rent free

who

I can't help but get the feeling that I still haven't understood the combat and I just got past the snow titan.
It feels like I'm never able to do those blade chain combos or the topple ones against regular enemies, and some bosses basically one shot my members at certain attempts but don't do anything on others.

There's like 500 tutorials and they expect you to get everything from the start? I can't find them in some kind of in game lexicon at least.

nopon all spoke in broken english in XC1 which gave them a cute look, but for some reason in XC2 all that is pushed to the side for "MEH MEH MEH".

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It looks and plays like sheer ass off the dock, and the HUD is a cluttered mess even as far as Xenoblade titles go.

>post yfw you like all the games

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>people that love the game are subhuman and the ones that hate it have perfectly legitimate criticism
Is it autism or you tried to be subtle?

Cringe.

>I haven't pruned the thread

It really sucks that britbong and Welsh voices are the standard for xenoblade games.

I hate it because Pyra and Mythra will never be my gfs

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It's anime weebshit

same shit

We all know you're here.

Gacha is absolute fucking garbage and ruins everything. Needing common blades for field skills was awful. The characters all played too similarly. The combat late game gets boring with the same orb build->break pattern you need to max out damage. Sidequests revolving around random characters that don't have a story presence only in the game to please the "random artists draws cute PNGs" crowd are cancer. Despite /ss/ being god-tier, the romantic teasing had no resolution and they still tried to pander to Niafags. Rex is just an annoying, idealistic idiot and no amount of saying it was modeled after shounen manga will change that. The "philosophy" late game was awful, especially with Zeek talking about not killing, and the party telling Rex he has to let Homura die. All of the dialogue was dumbed down compared to other games by the same group of creators, and despite this EOP retards pretend it's all some deliberate work of art. Trying to deflect criticisms as "you just don't like anime things" is retarded.

The game is a massive disappointment on almost all fronts, and I'm thrilled that the best Xenoblade game is getting a good remaster. Retarded faggots from /vg/ spamming threads won't make XB2 less disappointing.

Yeah that's one of Genofag's main tactics when he's not replying to his own post, he'll post about a supposed Xfag or XC2fag out of nowhere

I feel like the British accent made it weird for the nopons to speak in broken English. If you've already adapted the accent, you've probably adapted the grammar as well, right?

>Genofag
rent free

>now there's a genofag
i'm so confused

Game plays itself most of the time, auto combat is the absolute worst. And even when you do have to pay attention it boils down to cycling through your skills..
Most quests are garbage fetch quests that aren't even interesting.
Game's too easy save for optional challenges. Went through the game avoiding enemies, not doing sidequests, and with my characters not wearing armor and it was still a cake walk.

"He" needed a new boogeyman to smear xfags with.

>The anti XBC2 cabal are at it again

>What's two plus two?
>And don't say four

My bad, I thought this was about the first one. Haven't played this one because I don't have a Switch.

>Gacha is absolute fucking garbage and ruins everything.
>but I'm thrilled to replay a RNG fest like the first Xenoblade
People that complain about gacha and still suck Xenoblade to oblivion have some big ass nostalgia goggles. Never ever I'll try to rebuild Colony 6.

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boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/unamused puppet/
Yes it's ANOTHER shitposter who is that autistic. I honestly don't know what curse Takahashi brought on himself to draw these people in.

are you sure? it's just one snow cabbage away.

Do you think posting a non-sequitur gives you a point? All RPGs have some RNG. How exactly does that liken the problems with gacha to XB1's gameplay? Be very specific and don't make hand waving generalizations.

it's meh

mehmeh

What interest the game may have created for me with its new world and combat mechanics were unfortunately overshadowed by an overbearingly cliche story and cast of characters. Cute girls and well-worn tropes aren't inherently bad, but from the very first trailer I could tell this game was going to be unapologeticly uninspired. Terrible female character designs that were drawn by a hentai artist and looked the part gave way to images of Japanese dialogue which I would later learn depicted a girl commenting on another's breast size while bathing in a hot spring. I even saw a girl with cat ears at one point. Yet, despite these very sexually mature designs, this game's main character was an average-looking child in goofy, unattractive clothes, obviously designed to act as a stand in or "self-insert" for the target audience of this game as easily as possible. Even from such an early point, it was clear to me where the creators' priorities were. They would appeal to the desires of young teenage boys with only the flimsiest pretense of an interesting story, and this would be the type of game I would be embarressed to be seen playing. This was, of course, only my first impressions of the game. As I saw more and more of it, I began to understand just how right I was about it. One day I decided to post in a thread on Yea Forums and give my thoughts on the game -- the game which Yea Forums only seemed to discuss in terms of who was "best girl". Knowing the vernacular of the board, I simplified my complex thoughts into a brief, easily digestible comment, which I trusted the other site users would be intelligent enough to interpret without demanding I explain myself otherwise:
>Cringe anime weebshit

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meh?

perfect, i did like XB2 for it's environment's and exploring that new world but the main cast was unapologetic uninspired and zeke only doubled down that feeling in the game.

Help, I'm too low IQ to properly identify exactly how many layers of irony is this post under, is it making fun of cringe anime weebshit? Is it making fun of people who say cring anime weebshit? Both? Neither? I'm confus.

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The problem with gacha is that it's random, that's the main point of it. You wouldn't complain about gacha if the blades were obtainable in another, more direct way right?
And Xenoblade 1 didn't had RNG like any RPG, it had the worst kind. Running around for hours collecting crystals to get the one object for that one sidequest that has a ridiculous drop rate that would make you seem like getting KOS-MOS in XC2 is a gift, is a problem.
And that's not talking about all the loot, that Xenoblade 2 barely rely on, but in the first one it's crucial for the end game.
All Xenoblae games rely on RNG, but 2 is the one that mitigates it the most even with the gacha shit, which makes complains about gacha a bit hypocrite in retrospect.

There's not a single bad Xenoblade game, all of them were great

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ANKAH SHOT!

>blade
As expected

ok retard

You just styled hard on everyone in this thread.
It should just end here.

>The problem with gacha is that it's random
The problem is that it's a shitty mechanic that exists to mimic gambling to get money from idiots that has no place in a single player game. You try to just boil it down to "removing randomness" but that's bullshit. Even if you remove the randomness, you still have a clusterfuck of OC art by various artists that have no relation to the story at all, you still have the stupid common blades that are useless but that you're forced to use for field skilks, and you still have every Driver feeling too similar since movesets are determined by Blades. Removing only the randomness doesn't alleviate all the problems, and you're an idiot for suggesting that it does.

>it had the worst kind. Running around for hours collecting crystals to get the one object for that one sidequest that has a ridiculous drop rate
Fetchquest "go gather the blue orbs" quests were the worst part of XB1, but those still pale in comparison to gachashit wish permeates every facet of XB2's experience.

>which makes complains about gacha a bit hypocrite in retrospect.
No, you ESL retard, gacha is far more than just some RNG that makes sidequests monotonous.

the pacing is awful. The game is slow as fuck and doesn't draw me in or excites me like a game actually should. So I have to play 20 hours before it gets good?
Cut your crap and make an exciting and interesting game with better pacing.

I've played every Xeno game, but there's nothing in the world that will ever make me say that Saga 2 was even decent

>OC art by various artists that have no relation to the story at all
but they do

They got 1 sidequest each. They were not involved in the story of the game.

Saga 2 wasn't decent it was almost perfect

I wouldn't know, I was hooked from the very beginning, I have no complaints about pacing. I'm the kind of player who likes to take it slow and explore everything as much as possible before moving on. It really does get even better later on when you get every mechanics unlocked, but I wouldn't say it will suddenly transform the game into something those people would like suddenly, who didn't like it from the beginning.

Perfectly awful

Saga 2 had the most flaws but it wasn't that bad, it's still a proper Xenosaga game. It's just 1 and 3 are a lot better.

>personal story quests for literally every unique blade in the game dont count
how about you go fuck yourself

Sure but I played them all back to back, so it didn't feel good at all to have such a gap between 1 and 3

imagine being so retarded that you think that generic blades are useless

I played them back to back too.

How is that not an argument though? That shit can be legit distracting for some people. I get taken out when a fucking massive bunny starts strutting around.

>explain why you dislike this game without talking about things you might have complaints about

>you can play the entire game from start to finish without so much as hearing their fucking name
>get literally 1 sidequest that has no ties to the main plot
>"They're part of the story!"
You're an idiot.

Are you retarded? sidequests are literally defined by not being the main plot or 'story' of the game, of course it doesn't fucking count.

Well then, I guess it just comes down to preference

Too many sub systems. Im just mashing on Rex 40 hrs in . Kinda want to see how the story pans out but man I really couldn't care enough to learn about this games 99999 subsystens and minmax autism.

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THINK YOU CAN TAKE ME?!!

Maybe. Admittedly I was too invested and sucked into the world and story at that point to care too much.

DON'T FORGET ME!!

YER DUN!!

game literally plays itself for you for the first 100 hours

Everything you said plus
Laughably low resolution and really, really fucking low frame rate to the point where it's not acceptable at all for a 59% game on a 300€ console

You can't disprove my point so you try to get around it, a classic.
But I can still talk about all the rest if you want it that much.
>a clusterfuck of OC art by various artists that have no relation to the story at all
Every blade you summon has its own sidequest that you are no forced to do. It doesn't replace anything from the main points of the gameplay loop of Xenoblade 1, it's completely optional. And the fact that multiple artists made it so that people can have a blade that appeal to them. Even if the artstyle of the differents blade could clash and that's not your thing, it's still optional and you could use generic blades that does not clash for example.
>the stupid common blades that are useless but that you're forced to use for field skilks
Xenoblade strongest point is exploration, that's the case for all the games. Taking blades into you team can be a bit annoying, but field skills made the exploration tied to the progress of your team, which is very interesting in terms of game design.
>you still have every Driver feeling too similar since movesets are determined by Blades.
Technically, every character has different animations for every weapons, which means different timings. "too similar", it's just your own feelings, which we honestly don't give a shit about when we're talking about facts.
>some RNG that makes sidequests monotonous.
They were worst than "monotonous" in XC1, they made the game a fucking slog. And RNG was just one part of the problem with the sidequests. Many, many more problems made XC1 a far worst experience than XC2.

its garbage anime weebshit

how dare you

>You can't disprove my point
You're a subhuman ESL retard who doesn't understand that he has no argument. You claimed that gacha is only bad because of RNG. I explained that your claim was bullshit.

>most of the blades are optional with artstyles that clash, so that's a good thing because of options
My god, the XB2 defense force is exceptionally stupid.

>"too similar", it's just your own feelings, which we honestly don't give a shit about when we're talking about facts.
Are you retarded? There's way more overlap than XB1 where everyone has unique movesets at all. There's no subjectivity in there at all, stop trying to sound logical when you're pulling shit out of your ass.

>y-you have no argument
Pure anal devastation, you shouldn't post when you've been proven wrong and have no argument to use in return, it makes you look like a little bitch.
And I never claimed RNG was the only problem, I said it was the main problem. Maybe your are the one that has a problem with english?

Combat isn't fun like with all xenoblade games. Make it more gears or saga and we have a deal.

>I never claimed RNG was the only problem
>The problem with gacha is that it's random
Saying "the problem" means it's the sole problem. You have no point, and you're a subhuman retard that needs to learn English is you don't understand definite vs indefinite articles.

if you don't understand*
Try not to get too worked up pretending a typo is the same as not understanding grammar.

Gears combat isn't all that exciting outside of death blows and the ability to use Gears in battle. Saga combat however, was ahead of its time. At least Saga 3 was incredible, anywho. Implement some combat mechanics from Saga 3, and we have a deal.

As a matter of fact, I kind of hope they implement mechs in XC3 like how the E.S work in Saga.

>There's way more overlap than XB1 where everyone has unique movesets at all.
Maybe, and? That's not the question. Characters in XC1 could have a better moveset than in XC2, it doesn't change anything. "too similar" is no measurement, it's not an argument in any way.

>Max out affinity with your Blades
>You gain access to an ES like mech
Based..

>Saga combat however, was ahead of its time.
I love the Saga games very much, but come on. They all had very standard run-of-the-mill turn based jrpg combat. If anything, it felt a bit dated even back then compared to Final Fantasy games for example.

>missable story parts are not part of the story only linear railroading counts
retard

>Maybe
Not maybe, you fucking idiot. That's a factual statement.

>"too similar" is no measurement, it's not an argument in any way.
Are you trolling or are you actually this stupid? You type like a parody of an "intellectual redditor" but nothing you're saying has a shred of logic behind it.

>A character having literally and objectively 0 presence in the main story, and their 1 sidequest being self-contained and not relating to or affecting the story at all means they aren't part of the story
That's correct, yes.

Ending is way too predictable? On superficial levels, maybe.

I made the connection between my first post that talked about RNG and your question.
You can't even understand anything past a few words, and dare to criticize me?
Stop being bootyblasted by your lack of intelligence and argumentation, and try to refute any of my points.

Holy shit, everything about this post is so stupid. You started screaming about objective measurements because someone pointed out there's more variety in play styles in the first game.

Singleplayer MMO.

>I made the connection between my first post that talked about RNG and your question.
And you said "the problem with" and not "the biggest problem with" or "one of the main problems with". Sorry, but you don't get to pretend to be a master debater when you're too stupid to understand what the words you mean use.

>every weapon you can equip has a unique story and thats a bad thing
xenoblade threads are filled with the biggest bottom feeder fucktards

Turn based combat totally destroys any interest I have in exploring a game's world, or hearing it's story.
Turn based combat is objectively shit, and I'm tired of these Boomer faggots with nostalgia goggles superglued onto their faces claiming otherwise. Ever notice how story heavy games have turn based combat 99.9% of the time, and vice versa? That's because in those games the story is the priority. Gameplay is an afterthought.

Sure, we COULD have a really cool boss fight here, but it would be so much easier to just tell the player that they're in a really cool boss fight instead, and let the use their imagination:
"Wow user, pressing the A Button just dealt 600 damage to that enemy! Can't you imagine how awesome that could have looked and felt if we spent more then 30 minutes programming this gay, combat system?!"

Here's the deal.
If you're some faggot who just pretends to like videogames, when all you really care about is hearing your gay japanese fairy tails, that's fine, but you have to own that.
Don't pretend you're into Xeboblade for the gameplay.
Don't tell me that imagining a fight as you and the enemy take turns pressing the attack button is as fun or more fun than just fighing the enemy in real time, and getting instant feedback.
Essentially, you bought this game to watch cutscenes and read dialogue. It's a $60 movie with a hundred hours of filler. That's the reality of the situation.

Turn based combat is shit, and renders any game unplayable.
You will never be able to refute this.

Combat system is too broken, you can kill superbosses at level one with the right blades at times, honestly Torna's battle system is way better and more engaging

>actually trying to spin OC art gachashit as a good thing
I sure like how Kos-Mos, the callback character to other games had a unique sidequest that tied the lore of games together and wasn't just a throwaway nothing mission.

Oh wait

looks like babby pooped his diaper

kosmos was obviously just an easter egg you dumb nigger

You still have nothing to say beside that. It's a thread about Xenoblade Chronicles 2, not my choice of words. If you have nothing to say about the game, it's waste of time for the both of us.

>You started screaming about objective measurements because someone pointed out there's more variety in play styles in the first game.
What? Screaming? And where did he said there's more variety in playstyles? It was about characters moveset, there's a little more to Xenoblade's combat than that.

Sorry, I forgot to reply to in the second part.

>Awful gatcha system for rare blades
>Combat has a ton of shallow mechanics but still doesn't explain these properly
>Mess of a HUD
>Combat dialogue spam (can be turned off thankfully)
>Sidequests are mostly mmo tier drudgery

it is when they're locked behind a gacha mechanic that has no business being in the game

Is this some copypasta made for jrpgs in general, and the title has to be manually replaced? Because I don't know under what other circumstances would anybody write this and still not realise that not a single Xenoblade's game combat is turn based.

>And where did he said there's more variety in playstyles? It was about characters moveset,
What?

>there's a little more to Xenoblade's combat than that
You mean like equipment and stat management, all of which was more in depth in the first game? Holy shit, you're stupid.

Japanimation otakucrap

In case you haven't realised, the Direct announcement brought out a lot of shitposters. Probably directed from some Discord.

I beat the final boss with Finch and Floren on my team, you really don't need S-tier Blades to beat the main story

Auto-attacks become irrelevant the moment you unlock art cancelling

Yeah, I saw this one a few weeks ago in a DQ thread.

>You will never be able to refute this.
I don't have to, it's self-refuting. No Xenoblade game has a turn-based battle system.

Not really, you will have to wait for the autoattack to connect first, so you can cancel it into an art for more damage.

>Turn based combat totally destroys any interest I have in exploring a game's world
This isn't the DQXI thread, user.

Generic storyline held in a high esteem, awful comabt system (torna is much better), mc that goes from being an annoying brat to a super saiyan annoying brat, main girl is useless till the last chapter (even then her arc is rushed as fuck), boring ost.

Overall just a massive waste of time

I love jrpg, buy it distilled everything I hate about the genre.

AND GACHA SUMMONS, I GOT STUCK IN THE FUCKING SPIDER DUNGEON FOR 10 HOURS BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FIRE BLADES

So it's just Xenoblade 1 2.0? That one was a slog to get through.

And in 2, you are you forgetting about blades, sociograms, orbs, blade and driver combos, chain attacks...
And how is stat managment more in depth in 1 when XC2 has way more parameters? Every little aspect of the game has an impact on your characters stats.
Xenoblade 1 had a strong emphasis on farming gems and gear, so of course it was better here. But that's far from being a bad thing that XC2 took a few step down on that regard.

Alright first of all you don't need fire to get through there. And secondly there's no way you didn't have enough fire commons to put on everyone.

I really didn't and yes you do need fire, to get past the fucking web

You don't need to get past the web, just take another path.

K, I didn't know there was a different route, but no point now seeing as I beat it in January

>all blade and driver skill trees are the same things over and over again with no unique features outside of Hikari's bullshit
>driver combos couldn't stack, and as a result had a lower skill ceiling
>With orbs, it doesn't matter who does what as long as you spam color balls then break
Only retards pretend 2's combat had anything resembling variety.

And even if you didn't. The spider webs require 3 fire. Even if you had ZERO common fire Blades. How did it take you ten hours to get two of them?

waifu pandering, pre-gacha testing ground before full on mobile shit up the ass in xenoblade 3

>slow slow slow in every way
Let me guess, you're letting the auto attack do all of the work.

I would really love to see some footage showing how these people who complain the battles are too long are playing the game and what they are doing.

From the looks of this thread they're just walking up to enemies and are letting it auto play without using arts.

>all blade and driver skill trees are the same things over and over again with no unique features outside of Hikari's bullshit
Pure lie, did you even played the game?
>driver combos couldn't stack, and as a result had a lower skill ceiling
Yes.
>With orbs, it doesn't matter who does what as long as you spam color balls then break
And? You still need to make a team with the blades of each elements and choose a path that has the right seal. It's both in and out of battles a strategic element.

>Pure lie
>Use B art at battle start
>Use Y art at battle start
>Use X art at battle start
>Cancel cooldown boost
>Generic stat boost
>Generic stat boost
Where are the unique driver skills? The only ones you get are locked behind NG+.

>did you even played the game?
Did you actually learn how to speak English?

Yet. Not real YET.

I love how you're doubling down on drivers because you realised you were wrong about blades

>doubling down
What the fuck are you talking about? You called it a lie and then didn't even pretend to argue that drivers have all the same shit. Why are you so stupid? You called it a lie, now refute it. If you want to talk about blades, they have boosts to damage and effects on their skills (which all function the same since all that matters is element), generic stat boosts, an field abilities. What unique skills do they have for battle outside of Hikari? Answer that, and don't dodge the point about driver skills, you idiot.

i like the game but the fanbase and the way it's advertised really puts a dent in it
like it's genuinely a good jrpg with an interesting story and combat (once you get 3 blades anyway) but i wrote it off for like a year because all I ever saw people talk about was how they wanted to fuck pyra's massive tits or w/e
figured it was just mediocre but had waifus like senran

>You
One, I'm not even that user.
Two, did you forget that you mentioned blades too right here>all blade and driver skill trees
Hell it even came before drivers and you completely ignored it your previous post.

You're an absolute joke.

>because all I ever saw people talk about was how they wanted to fuck pyra's massive tits or w/e
That's because ACfag lewd spams the threads when the conversation dries up. I wouldn't consider him a part of the fanbase.

>all I ever saw people talk about was how they wanted to fuck pyra's massive tits or w/e
Well, that too desu, but yes it's a good game at the same time.

>One, I'm not even that user.
Pretending to be two people doesn't work when your broken English is that obvious. I'm not arguing with you anymore, you're pathetic.

>and you completely ignored it your previous post.
You provided no examples of unique blade skills. You just said "No" and I gave examples of one and not the other to which you said no. That's not what doubling down is, and you still haven't tried to refute either. Kill yourself.

Its a great game, takes a really long time to get going gameplay wise even for a jrpg.You unlock systems dozen of hours in.
Weak on the technical side, frequent slowdowns and performance issue but its fine its not an action game. Never played the expansion/dlc thiingie but i heard good things.

>, but yes it's a good game at the same time.
No, it's a pretty shit game.

Don't use words you don't understand.

(You)

The gachashit alone is enough to keep it from being great, but that's just one of many problems it has. If you think gacha is okay, your opinion is objectively worthless.

>broken English
Great, so not only do you not realise what you're doing but you can't comprehend basic English. Good to know.

>You provided no examples of unique blade skills
Dude, I'm still not that guy and I never will be. In any case burden of proof was on you because you made the claim that they were the same in the first place and what did you do? You ignored them.

>That's not what doubling down is
That's literally what doubling down is, you're ignoring one half of your own statement to focus the part that suits your agenda.

Who are you trying to fool exactly?

You have to buy shop shit to increase movement speed which is so stupid since unlike XB1 you move at an insanely slow speed, XB1 had an annoying way to upgrade out of combat movement speed too but at least you didnt move so fucking slow like XB2 only benefit to 2's system is that its permanent and you dont gotta waste gem slots.

The whole combat system being based on auto attacks also sucks, I liked how XB1 was more inregards to how talent arts built up/were used as a resource it was a lot more interesting than how 2 does it. Not being able to move AND attack is so annoying and forces you into just canceling your auto attacks in place with movement to build up arts than cancelling your auto attacks again with arts to build up your orbs and combos and shit and its just so binary. Go into every big boss doing the same shit except the one boss with Nia where you gotta kill multiple shits at the same time.

I also have problems with how there is no real mechanic to actively react to what bosses will do like the monado arts in XB1, the chain attack gauge is really only used for the chain attacks and reviving there is no reason to use it to tell party members to do shit because no party member is capable of preventing shit from fucking you up. Not asking for the same thing as XB1 but the fact that this is the sequel to 1 and 2 doesnt really have any mechanic to take its place makes boss design pretty boring. The closest thing they have is the blade system which I think almost everyone on V think is flawed, I dont like it but even if I did i'd be upset that there is no post game option to work towards a blade its all RNG and meant to waste time. Gatcha games at least have the reason to try and steal money from you but you literally cannot buy cores so its just there to waste time and is a poor system, in the main game its fine because it gives you new shit to work with for each player which is neat but post game there should be a pity mechanic.

>That's not what doubling down is
>double down
>strengthen one's commitment to a particular strategy or course of action, typically one that is potentially risky.
Not too smart are you.

>everyone on V

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>since unlike XB1 you move at an insanely slow speed,
You move faster in 2 you know.

fpbp

Why the fuck didn’t the better game get a remaster on the Switch, Yea Forums?
I’ve never felt so disappointed yet rock hard (for DPO/2) at the same time.

>The whole combat system being based on auto attacks also sucks
Have you actually played any Xenoblade game before? Because they're all like that, hell arts charge faster 2 than they do in 1 or X.

It works both ways, if you think some elements of gacha (not even the real thing that makes you pay real money for pulls, the ultimate cancer, but a version that doesn't involve money at all) renders an entire game bad, your opinion is objectively worthless.

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The game does have a pity mechanic for your first 3 rare blades but everything after that is a crap shoot which again is fine for the main story but post game should give you an option to work towards to shit. I have a friend who spent 400 hours on the game, 100 for the entire post game and 300 JUST for getting his last rare blade which was KosMos, I beat the game did a few post game side shit and that was it. It freaks me out with how well they handled post launch support for the game but never addressed one of the biggest issues that I know everyone has a problem with. Uh but that being said I dont think the gatcha system itself is bad, they just kinda made it too much like an actual mobile game without any of the mechanics that save you from those games like Gold Moons and shit from GBF. Except they do actually with the first 3 rare blades than stop for some reason because its only ok that you get 3 rare blades?

Anyways I beat XB1 then went straight into 2 like the next day and I couldnt be more upset with how it turned out, the weebshit is dumb and stops a lot of the actual criticism the game needs

>unlike XB1 you move at an insanely slow speed
Movement speed in XB1 was so low that it rendered the whole game unplayable.

>Make claim
>"That's false"
>Give examples
You could make the argument I ignored half of the point (I didn't, given that he didn't actually refute anything at all) but I didn't double down, I just gave examples. There was no more investment into the argument, only an appropriate response to the next post. An example of doubling down would be to ignore the list about blade and driver skills, and instead focus solely on the (mis)use of doubling down to pretend there's an argument to be made.

Sorry I meant the way XB2 handles, depending on the character you play with in XB1 auto attacks are less important, Reyn for example fills his talent arts by using arts instead of AAing like Shulk and Melia stocks up elements based on what art she uses. Cooldowns on all arts are time based so you dont have to worry about using AAs and canceling them since your character will always attack even if their moving. 2's combat is a lot more annoying because of how it deals with that shit and how EVERY character needs to be played the same unless your a healer which means you probably arent throwing your arts out as much. DPS and Tank in 2 are played too similar to each other while in 1 that wasnt the case

>defending gachashit because it's free
>thinking your opinion isn't completely and utterly worthless
Ha

>it's free
So it isn't gacha.

Since I got this response twice im gonna assume im maybe incorrect about the movement speed being slower but i've been playing 1 again on Dolphin and really havent felt like I move slow and in 2 I didnt get any of the deeds for the movement shit. Unless you guys are talking maxed out movement speed in 2

You don't know what gacha means, you fucking idiot.

>given that he didn't actually refute anything at all
You do realise you didn't give him anything to refute, right? You just made a baseless statement and then ignored half of it because it didn't work for you.
That's doubling down.

Even now you're avoiding it rather than just proving your point by posting some of the blade trees.

You do realise the payment and microtransaction part is a key element of gacha, right?
Without it all you have is regular rng not unlike a drop in something like monster hunter.

>a baseless statement
Except as seen here
it's not baseless, so unless you can refute that, you're using the word baseless objectively wrong.

I never defended gacha though, I only pointed out that rendering an entire game bad because it has gacha elements makes your opinion worthless.

Gacha doesn't mean "mobage where subhuman retards pay money for PNGs of cute anime girls". Any time you roll anything RNG based from an actual capsule machine to drawing optional cards in a board game, it's gacha. That's what the word means. If you don't know Japanese, don't argue about Japanese words.

gacha, tied to other poor gameplay mechanics

>rendering an entire game bad because it has gacha
But this is correct.

But it isn't.

>300 JUST for getting his last rare blade which was KosMos
Lies. Why do you feel the need to lie about this? With 999 luck, 11 Justice, and legendary cores she has a drop rate of 0.6348%.
If you spend THREE HUNDRED HOURS opening 10 cores per hour the odds of you not getting KOS-MOS are less than 1 in a million.
You can farm and open 100 cores an hour, easily. Which means that per hour of farming you have a 47% chance of getting her.
How many coin tosses in a row do you think you can pretend you failed?

Because it’s not chronicles X.

Yeah if he truly meant that the absolute last thing he needed was Kos-Mos, and he spent 300 hours on doing nothing else but trying to get Kos-Mos, he is most definitely lying.

What do you think random means? Why do you also assume everyone knows as much about grinding as you do?
>if you do things at MAXIMUM efficiency-

>gatcha cuck doesnt understand how poorly implemented the system is

other user, I think he means more of total gameplay time
In my case I got every blade but kosmos in about 150 hours. Then I gave up because setting up party to grind legendary cores and then upping stats is not enjoyable in slightest.
So while you can just setup legendary farm - the point is that you have to do it period is horrible idea.
Whole game is nothing but bad ideas.

>Gacha doesn't mean "mobage where subhuman retards pay money for PNGs of cute anime girls"
No one said it was but whether you like it or not the act of paying money is an intrinsic part of gacha.
>an actual capsule machine
Which requires money you idiot.
That's the defining factor that separates rng from gacha.

No offence, but if someone were truly spending 300 hours grinding something, it would be EXTREMELY unlikely for him to not know about the grinding at least as much as that user, if not more. It's a shitty excuse.

wasn't in xenoblade 2 threads for about half of year and I see waifufags still in denial about their shitty game.
At least they'll finally get decent xenoblade game on switch with definitive of 1st one.

>it's gacha
Of course some idiot on Yea Forums would think all rng is gacha.

I feel this is a insanely large amount of bullshit to deal with just to get to a 47% change PER HOUR. Are you not seeing the problem? Also yeah its total including grinding the levels and getting the auxcores and everything else to grind the leg cores efficiently, ingame timer in XB2 used to be screwy but anyways your did a poor job trying to invalidate this point

And be obnoxious about it too.

this

Hey user, did you ever build a gacha character for those gacha crits and drops?

Takahashi literally calls it a gachapon mechanic

usgamer.net/articles/xenoblade-chronicles-2-postmortem-breaking-down-the-inaugural-switch-rpgs-success-with-tetsuya-takahashi
>We hit on this idea of a Gashapon mechanic that would give different players different outcomes, and that might be something that would encourage them to share their experiences on social media

What point did he invalidate? If you have 47% PER HOUR, then no fucking way did it take 300 hours to farm just one rare blade, that was the point and it still stands. You are ready for farming with that efficiency by the time that guy started it, so don't even try with the grind for the setup time angle.

waniyamasan.com/xenoblade2-zakki3/
bnewg.sokuho.org/article/xb2-12191922.html
angry-mhm.com/post-29371/
How fucking stupid do you have to be to try to define words in a language that you have literally 0 understanding of?

I don't dislike it. pretty good game desu

>That's what the word means.
You do realise that the word didn't exist before the capsule machines, right? And that gashapon is just meaningless onomatopoeia for turning the dial and the capsule dropping.

Regardless that user is right, without money being paid in it isn't gacha.

It is.

Of course a retard on Yea Forums would think his made up definition of words in a language he doesn't know holds any weight.

Problem is not gacha itself, problem that it's shittiest implementation of gacha period.
You can't even do bulk bonding, come on now.

anime weebshit

It didn't have mechs. Wheres my mechs senpai.

Wow, you found some nip pages that don't help your argument because they don't know what gacha is either!
Such a compelling argument.

>without money being paid in it isn't gacha.
See
You are objectively wrong.

It had mechs, you just couldn't control them.
Last (You) from me, stay retarded.

>Low framerate
literally the first sentence,fucking mole.

>have to manually release every common
>checking each common is a pain and you'll want to because some are actually useful (+Luck, or the ones that spawn orbs on blade special)
>couldn't skip the cutscenes originally

And what about where the director called it gacha?

Your missing the POINT, the hours are there and its really not my problem if you dont believe it or not there's worse horror stories for kosmos out there. The point is how bullshit the gacha system can be when it has no real mechanic to guarantee anything if you wanna spend time and energy trying to debunk how long it took than thats kinda sad. The fact it takes a 47% Per Hour is stupid and this is having to do this shit manually rolling/bonding ONCE per blade

This was all before any of this shit was figured out and all the patches were out, we had to wait for datamines to know there was a pity system and even know that increasing luck wasnt just a myth. Im pretty sure he didnt know about the idea cloud effecting shit that much but il let my friend hold that L. Anyways if this user was trying to defend the gacha mechanics he was doing a shit job and even I did a better job in my post critiquing it

Objectively?
Hardly, I just gave you the origin of the word itself and what makes it gacha. It doesn't matter if the developers themselves call it a gacha mechanic because without monetary value it never will be by both use, origin and definition of the word.

Yeah, you listed issues perfectly. Don't forget shit UI period.
Even skipping cutscenes looks like badly made work around.

And aside of gacha there were other issues. For examples you hardly use commons after first dozen of hours or so. They are only for field skills and merc missions.
Merc missions also useless waste of time too, made specifically to waste your time and nothing more.

List goes on, I still amused that people consider this as a good game. It's decent, and only that if you just go thru story and forget about it.

>and what makes it gacha.
Why do you think you get to define words in a language you objectively don't understand? Where could that kind of idiotic arrogance come from?

You mean the developer that doesn't know you need money for it?
Why don't you go ahead and try and find a free gashapon machine user.

Oh man I don't even want to remember how fucking terrible this shit was for getting KosMos.

I have no idea how they patched in a literal cheat mode for beating everything in the fucking game but the only thing they addressed for the blade awakening was skipping the fucking animation, and it still sucked

>the hours are there and its really not my problem if you dont believe it or not
Well I don't, sorry. And the reason for that is because that user kinda proved that it can't take anywhere near 300 hours just to get one rare blade. Feel free to point out where that user was defending the system, because he didn't, all he did was point out that you are bullshitting. Nobody will take your critiquing something seriously if it's based on bullshitting. Try again, or take that L along with your friend.

>Why do you think you get to define words in a language you objectively don't understand
I don't, I just know what gacha means, how it's used and where the word originates. You on the other hand are going entirely by what you hear from a third party.

Also it's ironic you would say I'm redefining words when you don't know what objectively means either.

kotobank.jp/word/ガチャ-677237
Any time you burn a resource or currency (real money or not) for a random chance to get something, it's gacha. You don't know Japanese.

>there's worse horror stories for kosmos out there
You mean worse stories like yours where you make up shit because you think "random" means everything could happen? With 500 luck, the wrong idea levels, and legendary cores the chance is 0.37221%, which gives you 31% per 100 cores.
Maybe you'd like to try to convince everyone that your friend only used common cores next, maybe he got hit by lightning a few times while shuffling his deck of cards in the exact same order ten times in a row as well.

How about I tell you better analogy.
You buy gashapon machine. A whole unit. You can't open it for toys, so you have to sit and open capsules. Machine itself allows you to get set amount of capsules a day.
Machine has few thousands of capsules and one you want is at the top of the capsule bank.
So you have to every day get free gacha from this gashapon machine in hopes of eventually getting that one you want.

This analogy works because you paid money for the game in the first place. Xenoblade 2 is not free.

>I just know what gacha means, how it's used
See
Your turn to show that you actually know Japanese. Weeb retards from /jp/ who pretend to know Japanese concepts and words are not a real source on Japanese word definitions.

Niggas actually defending the gatcha mechanics and hooking onto that to avoid everything else about the shitty game, no wonder XB2 fans are incels

I know nigger but I had to point it out again because of how retarded this is for a game already running at 480p

Yuzu will fix it, AR cheat codes are the answer to every bullshit dev move nowdays

100 times opening 0.3% core is 100 times opening 0.3% core.
Chance of drop stays 0.3%. It is not magically multiplied by hundred.

you really havent played the game have you? you probably havent gotten all the blades either, i dont blame you user its a pain! stop defending it though with bullshit

It won't make Xenoblade 2 a better game anyway, cause gacha is only part of a problem.

None of those posts are defending it though, try not making up imaginary arguments to refute next time, maybe you will not come across as such a massive retard.

Please read up on what binomial distributions are, this is high school maths for God's sake.
stattrek.com/online-calculator/binomial.aspx
Here you can do the calculation yourself.

I don't need to do any calculations to say that if dice has 16.6% chance to get a 6, tossing it 10 times not increase your chance of getting 6 to 166%

Ok fess up, what grade are you in. This isnt how shit works

Compare a 0.6 chance to a coin toss...? How fucking retarded do you have to be, this shit checks out

Pretending to not understand what he meant still makes you an idiot user.

>Any time you burn a resource or currency (real money or not)
You do realise by that definition it still wouldn't be gacha because you aren't using resources, right? Not to mention the broad definition of a resource.

Look you can try and dig up as many sites as you like but you're not going to change the definition of the word any time soon.

>because you aren't using resources
Oh, you haven't played Xenoblade 2. That makes sense.

You paid money for the game.

>You do realise by that definition it still wouldn't be gacha because you aren't using resources, right?
What do you think cores were?

>you can try and dig up as many sites as you like
Do you actually think you're more of an authority on Japanese than kotobank? Why are you so stupid?

>Machine itself allows you to get set amount of capsules a day.
Great so Xenoblade isn't gacha to you.
You know, because cores are infinite and they don't have any sort of limit. And you can even manipulate the odds!

Why are you trying so hard to convince people that it's gacha when the only similarity is the nature of rng behind both?

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>What do you think cores were?
Not a resource by your definition. Plus they aren't finite.

You also pay money for everything else.

>What do you think cores were?
user, you do know you can get as many as you want without paying anything, right?

>by your definition
Yes they are. Literally nothing in the page I linked says otherwise.

>Plus they aren't finite
Neither is money. Where the fuck did you come with that stipulation? Where do you get you definitions? Post an actual Japanese source and not something some retarded SEAmonkey weeb made up.

>Do you actually think you're more of an authority on Japanese than kotobank?
Didn't you just dismiss /jp/ resources in another post? They live by kotobank.

XENOBLADE CHRONICLES IS GETTING A REMAKE WITH A MORE ANIME LOOK AND IT WILL UNDOUBTLY HAVE NEW XC2 REFERENCES, SO XC2 HATERS CAN SUCK MY DICK. THIS GAME IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND I'M FUCKING HAPPY IF IT'S EXISTENCE HAS RETROACTIVELY RUINED XC FOR YOU.

the interface is a cluster fuck. it hurts just looking at Everything thats going on. the gameplay is so slow compeard too XC1 were fights could end in seconds.

>Any time you burn a resource or currency (real money or not)
read it

manga weebturd

>Neither is money
You know if money were infinite it would be worthless, right?

Yeah and if it's unlimited then you're not burning anything.

>without paying anything
Okay, but
>ゲーム画面上で無料あるいは有料
Your turn.

>Bullshit people who don't know Japanese make up on /jp/ is the same as a Japanese dictionary /jp/ had no hand in making
No. Post an actual Japanese source or fuck off.

Explain exactly how money isn't infinite. Be specific.

X is a better game then 2.

I pray to God this is just /vg/ shitposting to distract from people rightfully shitting on the game.

Do explain.
I toss a coin 100 times. What are the chances that I got 60 heads or more? How do you calculate this?

I love it and I love Xeno 1 too, but I can see why some fans of the first one might dislike this one. They have really different moods, the first is very pessimistic and innerly sad while this one is optimistic and happy, mostly because Shulk is an unlucky depressed fuck while Rex is an optimistic kid in love.

>Gacha [Gacha]
> > A capsule toy. Trade name.
>A mechanism to purchase cards and virtual items used in the game by drawing lots of about one hundred yen once in social games on smartphones and mobile phones.
>One of the mechanisms for obtaining special goods and characters in Internet games (social games). It is based on a vending machine (capsule toy = gacha gacha) in which a toy with a capsule comes out when a coin is inserted and the handle is twisted.
>“Paid gacha” is only one hundred yen, and you can get powerful items and rare characters that you can't usually get (hard). In 2012, the Consumer Affairs Agency banned `` complete gacha '', which allows you to get rare items even if there are multiple items, but since then, it has become a social problem, such as the number of young users who spend hundreds of thousands a month

It doesn't say anything about other resources, just money. Why do you think you can get away with not actually knowing Japanese.

>the interface is a cluster fuck.
Every important informations are there and can be seen clearly, you just need time to learn what to look at.

your chance is still 50%. all you got is statistic of one instance.
The more you toss coin the closer it'll be to 50/50

you sound hostile towards Shulk user, whats your beef?

>with not actually knowing Japanese.
日本語のリンクを貼ってくれないか

Did you even read the question? I toss 100 coins, I want to know what the chances are that 60 of them land face up.

That's not helping your argument because they don't call it gacha on the page.

>Why do you think you can get away with not actually knowing Japanese.
Could you please translate
>ゲーム画面上で無料あるいは有料
in your own words?

I love the game, but I agree with this.

The story has long periods of inaction and all the menu stuff is tedious too.

Slowest part is combat.
Random encounters are long so there either needs to be fewer of them, or they need to lower mob health. Works well for boss battles though.

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>all the menu stuff
>Random encounters are long so
Jesus christ.

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>「ガチャ」とは、カプセルトイの俗称「ガチャガチャ」「ガチャポン」に由来し、ランダムにアイテムを入手できるゲーム内のシステム(ルートボックスを参照)である。ガチャは1回ごとに課金を伴い、携帯電話の使用料と一緒にユーザーが支払うことになる。ゲームによっては無料のガチャがあり
Do you feel embarrassment arguing about a language you don't speak?

It doesn't say its gacha that's for sure nor does it say anything any resources.
Also stop samefagging.

I was going to but I hit the character limit. It would be easier to say what I did actually like about this game, namely the OST, Zeke, Morag, Uraya's look, and most designs. Only designs I particularly dislike are Rex, Pyra, that big titty rabbit, and that one ugly blade girl with the big nose. I also only like Zeke after he joins the party when he drops the "le clumsy chuuni" shit because I really hate the humor in this game.

telling people to stop samefagging is pretty gay, stop sucking dicks user

>It doesn't say its gacha
It's literally the entry page for gacha.

user, that's not even from the same page.
You know ctrl+f still works for nip, right?

>win during gameplay
>lose during cutscene
That's why the game is a fucking turd.

What battles does this happen?

>Random encounters are long so there either needs to be fewer of them
There are no random encounters in the game you idiot.

>literally every game that tries to have a good story and good gameplay

fuck off as if this is the reason anyone calls this game shit, games does an alright job making you lose during fights your supposed to anyways

I know, but you should try reading it. You can read Japanese, right? If you can't, why are you arguing about Japanese?

>>literally every game that tries to have a good story and good gameplay
>Xendoturd 2
>good story

It happens quite a lot, in the battle after you get Mythra, when you fight Jin, just from the top of my head.

I can't think of any fights in game that do that. Usually you win and the cutscene has you win but the enemy reveals a new power turning the tides.

>just from the top of my head.
Your memory isn't very good if that's what you remember.

>in the battle after you get Mythra
You mean the battle that ends with the enemies getting nuked and falling off a cliff?
>when you fight Jin
That fight that ends at 80%?

The plot was really good.

IT FUCKING SUCKS IT SUCKING FUCKS
And i don't like it

I've finished this game almost 2 years ago, give me a fucking break.
I meant before, sorry. You win the fight, but the cutscene cuts to you actually losing and you need anime entrance badass Mythra to save you from losing the fight you just won.

What was the massive bunny distracting you from? Was it something important?

>I meant before, sorry
Oh you mean the cutscene that starts when you get one of the two enemies to 50% hp?

Most boss battles, more or less starting with Malos on the ship in the first chapter. If that doesn't count then the earliest is against Morag in I think chapter 3. Then practically every fight against Jin, Malos, and Akhos, which is quite a few to say the least. I think the nopon in the maid mech and that war machine in the empty wasteland are like that too. Then again against the blue man.
Always win the battle and the cutscene starts with you getting beat the fuck down. Though I personally didn't even notice this on my first playthrough.

Oh, you are trying argue with pointless nitpicking technicalities? Hard pass, I'm not in the mood.
The point is that you win, but the cutscene shows you lose. Anything else is just pointless nitpicking I'm not interested in entertaining.

But you didn't win? You barely got 25% of the fight done.

>I've finished this game almost 2 years ago
So did I. In any case are you referring to the temperatia fight? Because that still doesn't do the lose in the cutscene thing it does what this user said

>but you should try reading it
Then post the source otherwise its a worthless statement.

Nopon Robot maid fetishist arc and not mazinger Z boss was the only good thing about this game.
youtube.com/watch?v=reL5wWQ2hq0

In my mind, it isn't any different really, so if this is going to turn into an argument about what it means to lose and revealing a bullshit power means you lose or not, I'm reeeeally not in the mood. You can go ahead and chalk this up as an internet victory if you like.

Cause it's a slog full of unlikeable characters and a very clear downgrade from Xenoblade 1 and X.
The best the game has going for it is the multitude of Blades and their wild designs, but even those are locked behind arbitrary gacha bullshit, except it's without a cash shop.

If you know Japanese, you can find it. Can't you read Japanese?

Without the cash shop, it's no different than another layer of rng JRPGs usually have, not sure why people single it out as the big deal here.

I don't dislike it but it has a lot of problems that almost nullifies the improvements to the combat compared with the first two games in the series:
>Tutorial fails to tech you the basic, you must read or watch a guide to learn the combat system properly
>The tedium that is swapping back and forth Blades to use their abilities so you can access blocked areas in th map, making exploration a bigger tedium sometimes in a series that is characterized for rewarding exploration since the beginning of the game
>FUCKING GACHA SYSTEM
>very inconsistent art style
>Game was clearly rushed to meet its December 2017 deadline, needed 4-6 months more in the oven

Not gonna lie at first it bothered me the MOE (because that's what idiots mean when they say "it's to anime!") all in your face but then I get used to it, I mean if that's what it gets for Xenoblade to get fanart and doujins then so be it.

dont understand how anybody could possibly enjoy X.
what a shit game.

Not the same user, can't be bothered reading back what the fuck you are even arguing about, but you already lost if you are telling the other guy to look for the evidence himself. When the burden of proof is on you, you either present the evidence, or you admit you lost. As things currently are, you did the second.

Great, now he's going to say you're me.

>Tutorial fails to tech you the basic, you must read or watch a guide to learn the combat system properly
I know it's a shitty part of the tutorial where certain ones could not be read again, but is there really any part of the combat system that it doesn't teach you how to use? Which one in particular?

>The tedium that is swapping back and forth Blades to use their abilities so you can access blocked areas in th map,
That becomes a non issue very quickly.

To be honest, it doesn't matter. It could be you, it doesn't make what I said any less true.

>telling the other guy to look for the evidence himself
Sorry, trying to use retard logic debating isn't going to make up for objectively knowing nothing about Japanese when arguing about Japanese. Multiple links and dictionary definitions, as well as director interviews have been posted in this thread. You don't get to pretend you win the argument on a technicality because after linking multiple dictionary pages, I told him to look for himself after he refused to read any of them. Try again. There's also the fact that if someone posts an excerpt and you just google the first line, the source will come right up.

None of what you said relieves you from the burden of proof though. Whatever, carry on.

>can't be bothered reading back what the fuck you are even arguing about, but you already lost if you are telling the other guy to look for the evidence himself.
Not that user, but if you don't know what people are arguing about and what's been posted but you jump in to say "muh burden of proof" all you do is out yourself as a retard. Source has been posted.

Explain please and I really mean it I'm not a XB2 hater, I liked the game but I will lie to you if I didn't felt a little disappointed for the final result.

>burden of proof
And you saying burden of proof won't make the links I already posted disappear.

>, I told him to look for himself after he refused to read any of them
You do realise he posted a translation, right?
That would mean he had to have looked at it to do so. Seems like you're just mad that no one is taking your side.

>You do realise he posted a translation, right?
No he didn't. That's why I cited a line from that page that he skipped over and asked him what he thought it meant. Did you just assume his translation was correct and comprehensive without verifying it yourself? That would make you pretty damn stupid.

Gimped by the Switch and it's customer base that will grovel any shit it's fed. You can tell they tried to implement a beautiful art style but were handicapped by Nintendo's cheap hardware.

>Explain please
Party members you aren't using are also factored in when doing the field shit so you can just dump common blades with skills you've unlocked through merc quests on to them and just go through the game without touching it.
I only had to change them after doing that when I unfroze the superboss in temperatia.

Even if source is posted, how is it the other guy's job to find what part of the source backs the source poster's argument up? That's not how any of this works.

>Threw out most of the good parts of Xenoblade and Xenoblade Chronicles X (customization, gear and playstyles) in favour of the Blade approach.
>As a result, unique playstyles and unique stuff per character (like Sharla's rifle mechanics and Melia's elemental summons, not to mention most of the classes and their tools in X) does not really exist. The only differentiating factors between characters are their arts with each blade type and affinity charts.
>Less slots and room to fiddle around with gear and blades in general.
>Due to the same reasons, blades suffer from similar problems mostly being only differentiated by weapon type, elemental types and affinity chart. This leads into situations where blades with superior affinity charts and weapon types tend to trump other weapon types and playstyle won't really matter. Only find the most powerful blade of it's archetype and you're set.
>Which leads the combat into being a dull repetition of either fusion combos or elemental bursts, which both require minimal input from the player, the game also provides tools to automate the process of button challenges as to remove even the single hurdle which gives the combat system "depth
>All of the above sacrificed stuff like purging, active buffs (Auras, Effect Statis, Immunities and certain active defenses) in favour of simply having heal and the occasional defensive art (which tend to mostly be useless).

I consider it a pretty massive step down in the series, mostly because it botched both the gameplay and exploration aspects pretty spectacularly.

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>how is it the other guy's job to find what part of the source backs the source poster's argument up?
I literally posted the pertinent sentences and excerpts multiple times. Just stop. Trying to argue about the rules of debating when you have no idea where the argument is makes you a retard, and you've been flat out wrong about every point you've tried to make.

>that one user still buttblasted over people using term gacha justifiably.
Okay, user, we get it. Let's call it "surprise mechanics".

Retards will think summoning rares dumps down the quality of the game, when all you need to do is max out luck and farm a few legendary cores which are incredibly easy to do.
The absolute STATE of Yea Forums, they would probably rather get kosmos as dlc rather than pulling for her.

>That's why I cited a line from that page that he skipped over
So you admit he looked at it. After all he couldn't skip a specific part without both reading and understanding Japanese.

>Did you just assume his translation was correct
By that same logic we can't trust you especially since you haven't actually tried to argue your point by offering your own translation. On top of the fact that you've just said you won't provide a source for that other statement, for all we know you wrote that yourself.

In this argument you look a hell of a lot worse than he does.

If that's the case, then why did you say "If you know Japanese, you can find it. Can't you read Japanese?" and why didn't you just post it? You're coming across pretty disingenious here, but I can be convinced.

>Explain why you dislike this game without using "anime" or "weebshit" as arguments.
It's pretty simple. It looks and runs like shit in handheld mode without overclocking via homebrew and Torna isn't any better in this regard.

And Monolith got rewarded for all that downgrade with praise and sales.
Fuck this gay earth

Ok that seems like it helps to mitigate the issue but it doesn't fix it completely.

I enjoyed the game for what it was and I actually liked the little retcon they did to connect it with the first Xenoblade.
I really hate the idiots that scream "to anime!" when they just mean excessive use of MOE and fanservice compared with the first one. I just really hope they get rid of gacha shit and the field skills for Xenoblade 3.

>If that's the case, then why did you say "If you know Japanese, you can find it. Can't you read Japanese?"
Because I'm mocking him for being unable to read Japanese since he's shitposting and outright lying.

>You're coming across pretty disingenious here, but I can be convinced.
And you're coming across as a pseudo-intellectual redditor who thinks they know anything about logical debating despite being a fucking retard who can't even read the thread. I'll make it really easy for you.
Open this Japanese dictionary
Ctrl+f the Japanese words here to confirm they're there, then run them through a machine translation and try to find anything like that in his purported translation here
Once you've realized the full scope of the argument, I want you to realize how stupid it is to jump in mid-way and try to argue the rules of debating. Don't shake it off or try to tell yourself that you had a point based in fundamentals, actually realize how stupid you are and stop trying to be an arbiter of fair debate, especially when you know nothing about the topic at hand.

The storyline is pretty bad, Rex isn't a good MC, takes 20 hours for it to get good, but over all I liked the game. Looking forward to XC1 Remake.

I had issues with the orbs shit and it's sad since it's actually a fun as fuck mechanic that I ended up liking a lot. Xenoblade 1 tutorial made a really good work at teaching you advanced technics, I get Xenoblade 2 has a deeper combat system but the game was clearly rushed to meet its December 2017 deadline and that alienated a lot of people because I genuinely thinks this game has the potential of being a 90/100 game.

No matter what stage you are in the debate, none of what I have said loses relevance though. You even admit that you were only shitposting at that point, which automatically forfeits any point you might had in the first place.

>Looking forward to XC1 Remake.
>with those XC2 faces
Just emulate the Wii version with the HD mod user.

They aren't XC2 faces. You are a dick head.

>Because I'm mocking him
Yeah you're not doing a good job of it if you're the one flipping out over it, I can hear that pulsing vein in your head through my computer. Even then why give this much of a shit about a game you clearly don't like?

>Oh fuck, I'm completely wrong
>I better lecture him on how debating works even though the argument was long since finished!
Stay on reddit with the other idiot children pretending to be smart.

>emulate the Wii version with the HD mod
No one do what this user says because that HD mod is legitimately terrible and fucks up the faces.
If you have to play it just play it vanilla.

Seething moonlete.

Dude, do you not see the irony in saying someone else is seething when you're letting your anger get the better of you?

>They aren't XC2 faces.

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Not sure why you are so mad that I pointed out that the burden of proof was on you at that point, but it still isn't wrong. Sorry I messed up your shitposting, I guess? Better luck next time.

>not being 1 means they're 2
Astounding logic you retard.

>legitimately looks better
>Those aren't even XC2 models
>Hating on XC2's closest representation of Tanaka's artstyle
When did Yea Forums become so autistic?

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I played it on Dolphin with the HD mod, I personally think the original models are terrible enough that the HD mod can't really make them much worse. The higher quality and sharper textures everywhere else were worth it for me.
Really looking forward to the Definiteve Edition, if anyone planning on playing 1, I would suggest just wait at this point.

Because jumping in and talking about burden of proof after someone has already posted and explained the proof multiple makes you an idiot. Jumping into an argument you haven't read, making assumptions and then explaining your criteria (that have already been met) doesn't make you smart or logical, it makes you an idiot.

They just hate anime aesthetics, and are trying to get Yea Forums brownie points by hating on more anime looking things so they can look cool.

>after someone has already posted and explained the proof multiple
Nice English there but you still haven't given your evidence. In fact the entire time you've just been going
>do it yourself you can read Japanese!
>I'm not getting the source just trust me!
Where the fuck is the proof exactly?

Nah, you were telling the guy to go look for it. If you had already presented it, then surely you would have had no issues presenting it a second time instead of telling him to look for it. Actually, it only made you extremely mad, to the point you are still seething.

The HD face textures gives original models intresting expressions. The eyes are not blurry anymore and feel alive, because you notice their motion. I played XC1 on Wii on release and I will never go back to it after Dolphin with mods

That's retarded in and of itself
>Launched on October 1, 2003, the site was modeled on Japanese imageboards, particularly Futaba Channel. Yea Forums's first boards were originally primarily used for posting pictures and discussing manga and anime.
Do they even know how Yea Forums started?

I know how Yea Forums started, but what does it have to do with anything? I also think that anti-anime retards should get the rope, or at the very least fuck off from this site because they never belonged, but the truth of the matter is that Yea Forums had been overrun by normalfags who hate anime for at least 10 years now if not more.

>for at least 10 years now if not more.
I'd say it's been about 6.

i dislike this game because the gameplay drives me up the fucking wall
i can't stand this auto attack mmo-like shit
it's sad because otherwise it has shit i really like. i love exploring fuckhuge worlds and the world design in this looks like it's the tits but honestly fuck the gameplay

>demanding proof after it's already been posted and explained
Sorry, but this makes you objectively wrong.

Well, if you hate the battle system to such extent, there isn't much that can be done about it.
Shame, because you're missing out on a great game.
Do you like JRPGs in general? What kind of combat system do you like or is acceptable for you?

>ctrl + f
>gacha
>78 results

ok cool

pedoshit

It doesn't though. In that case, you tell the guy that proof has already been presented, and here it is. Not that you should go and look for it yourself.

You haven't posted a thing but links people have to translate themselves and you still haven't posted a source for that new line you posted.
Why are you so mad about this?

I loved it. It's the best JRPG I've played since Persona 4 Golden. Kino music, visuals, combat, atmosphere etc.

I also loved the randomness of acquiring blades since it meant I had to switch up my party to use the ones I liked.

Opening core crystals is as satisfying as loot boxes but without actually spending money on them.

If I could, I would cut around 50% of the games content though. The side quests are simply too plentiful and there should be a late game way of acquiring all blades with 0 randomness. The time to max out a blade is also too long and tedious in my opinion but I guess mercenary missions help.

I can't wait to replay it immediately after XC1:DE with Shulk and Fiora in my party.

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It does, though. Ignoring arguments and facts and sources that have already been explained many times doesn't warrant people holding your hand because you refuse to read. Sorry, this invalidates any point you had.

>people have to translate themselves
If you have to translate a dictionary instead of reading it, then you don't know the language and have no business discussing it.

>It's the best JRPG I've played since Persona 4 Golden.
So you just like shitty RPGs. You should try Kingdom Hearts 3 as well.

>then you don't know the language and have no business discussing it.
So why are you? You clearly lack the ability to translate seeing as you haven't given us any.

Doesn't invalidate anything. If you had sources, you surely wouldn't have any trouble presenting it. But you are not doing it, you are telling that guy to look for it, or that it has already been given, in which case you shouldn't have any problem giving it a second time, shutting him up. In fact, you are only digging your grave deeper by keeping this up, and not showing him the evidence.

offline gacha
pandeing horrendous charcter design
terrible writing

>427 replies
>24 images
every fucking thread

Bought a switch and am thinking about picking this up. Can I get both Pyra and Mythra or am I gonna have to choose?
Are there jap dubs and is there a "complete" edition?
Thank you.

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>You clearly lack the ability to translate
How do you figure?

>seeing as you haven't given us any.
Actually, I have. If you'd actually read the posts and knew how to read the Japanese, you'd see where I was quoting it. This doesn't change the immutable fact that you're arguing about something you have no comprehension of.

>you surely wouldn't have any trouble presenting it.
I did. Multiple times. Ignoring it won't make it go away or change what words mean.

>Can I get both Pyra and Mythra
You get them both regardless of what you do during the game. Right after tragic self-sacrifice.
Game has you choose at some point, but it doesn't do shit.
>Are there jap dubs and is there a "complete" edition?
you can download them.

FUCK YOU

>Can I get both Pyra and Mythra or am I gonna have to choose?
They're the same blade but you can switch between them in battle.
>Are there jap dubs
Yes but if I remember right you have to download it.
>and is there a "complete" edition?
Not sure if there is it'll probably be digital only.

Gameplay wise you have to switch between them. Story wise no, except for one entirely inconsequential and unimportant choice that is actually so irrelevant that I'm not sure why it's there.

>I did. Multiple times. Ignoring it won't make it go away or change what words mean.
Then go ahead and present it instead of telling the guy to look for it.

>people hate anime now
nice headcanon, persona fanbase is autistic as ever for example and the last entry sold more then any other, showing zeitgeist wise it also sells.
You are being on purpose dense or straight retarded if you can't figure out what people mean when they write "anime shit" and/or cant figure the differrence between something like dragon quest or tales of despite both having anime artstyle.

>Actually, I have.
Then where are those translations?
Only one guy has done it and its not you.

Blade progression system is ass, the giant talent tree, just boils down to grinding for a long fucking time and doing stuff you don't want to do.
Field skill system, in its entirety, is fucking dogshit. Instead of having actual puzzles in the world/dungeons you have these random checks to make sure you have a certain blade with you, and if not then fuck you. Or you're tediously switching them in and out.
Mercenary system is a fucking terrible sidequest block that would be better placed in a gacha game.
Gacha mechanics for randomly obtaining blades.

I liked the cast and the story but some of the game design flaws are so egregious I ended up hating the game. It's sad, really.

Did someone post this yet?

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>Then go ahead and present it
I already did. Why are you so vehemently against reading the thread?

>Only one guy has done it and its not you.
But he didn't translate it. As I pointed out right here

He left the important parts out. I even told you how to verify this yourself. Earlier in the thread, I explained what the dictionary definition entailed right here where I posted the link
Please explain to me why you're so intent on arguing a topic you objectively and factually have no comprehension of.

>persona fanbase is autistic as ever for example
Are you trying to say they bought it because its anime and not the fact that the ps4 barely has any good games?
Look at how defensive people get over it compared to the previous entries.

Why are you so vehemently against giving the guy the evidence that you already claimed you did? I'm starting to think that you didn't actually give him anything. That's not the case, right?

>But he didn't translate it. As I pointed out right here
You literally linked his translation of your link. Where's yours?
Not once have you tried to prove yourself.

>hud takes almost half the screen
Nice design nips.

Thanks lads. I enjoy japanese slapstick and seeing the threads about that one webm made me curious about the game.
BEEG

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>Look at how defensive people get over it compared to the previous entries.
Oh man you are so right, like the eternal discussions about p3 vs p4 fags for years, because ps2 having no games!
Just neck yourself retarded new ag

>Why are you so vehemently against giving the guy the evidence that you already claimed you did?
I literally linked it in that very post.

>You literally linked his translation of your link
Which is incorrect, which I explicitly told you how to verify by finding a line in the page itself, machine translating it, and seeing that nothing even resembling that line appears in his translation. This line here
>ゲーム画面上で無料あるいは有料
means "in a game, it can be either free or paid" which was also reflected when I explained what the page was saying when I linked the page itself.
>Where's yours?
In the post where I linked the dictionary definition itself.
>Not once have you tried to prove yourself.
Is this some kind of new shitpost strategy?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>like the eternal discussions about p3 vs p4 fags for years,
user, they were comparing the GAMES and generally discussing it
With p5 any criticism will be met with LOLOOLOLOLOOL ASSMAD SHITCHLET/PCFAG/XBOT or the usual you haven't played it.
That's something that never happened before.

But that's exactly why I didn't even try it. Generic weebshit aesthetics are not appealing to me.

The is as good as Xenoblade 1 and Xenoblade X

>user, they were comparing the GAMES and generally discussing it
>That's something that never happened before.
Now i know for a fact you are newfag

>In the post where I linked the dictionary definition itself
Which someone else had to translate. But hey you're trying now at least we'll sort of, that's clearly a Google translate job given the broken English but close enough.

Now, do you have a source for this?
By your own admission it's not from the same page and you still haven't given a source.

Do you really not know the difference between blind defence and aggressive discussion? Before people did get into heated discussions but they always referred back to the game itself, with p5 they don't give a shit about the game and defend it purely because it's exclusive.

>Which someone else had to translate.
No he didn't. He translated it incorrectly.

>given the broken English
That isn't broken English, you illiterate fucking retard. Are there any languages you actually do know?

>Now, do you have a source for this?
Do you not understand how the internet works? If you highlight the text and search it, it'll take you right here.
ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/コンプリートガチャ
You know how to use a search engine, so why be obtuse and pretend that you can't? Really? Why?

Did it never even occur to you that maybe they are defending it because it's legitimately good? What proof do you have that the only reason they defent it purely because it's exclusive, and they actually hate it or something?
You sound pretty delusional.

I'm just jumping into this giant chain.
Are you guys arguing about a fee being a prerequisite of gacha?
Because it's not, gacha literally just refers to the capsule machines with the clicky poppy. They just tend to have a price attached to each pull.
If you play a shitty mobage, your free pulls are still gacha pulls. Doesn't matter if you paid for them or not, that isn't what gacha refers to.
If this isn't what you're arguing then I'm sorry I can't follow your discussion at all.

Why are you asking him to use search engine to look for proof to back your argument up for you? That's your job.

>Are you guys arguing about a fee being a prerequisite of gacha?
No, they're wrong and they know they're wrong but they need to feel smart so they're arguing about the rules of debating even though they're completely in the wrong.

>If this isn't what you're arguing then I'm sorry I can't follow your discussion at all.
What you just described it was the argument was initially about.

>it's legitimately good?
kek

Why did he ignore the first link I posted from a Japanese dictionary with a summary of the definition in the same post? Don't dodge the question or change the subject, please answer it giving a valid reason.

What you just described was what the argument was initially about.*

I asked you a very direct question, asking for a valid reason. I seriously have no idea what you are talking about, because it's impossible to follow. All I see is that the guy is asking for proof, you are extremely unwilling to give any, when you finally do drop something, you berate him for not using search engine to look for the thing you are trying to show.
Dude, either present your evidence, or admit defeat. I'm surprised that guy is still playing your shitty games.

I wish I understood why I don't like JRPGs, but I think part of it is that the games aren't interactive when it comes to controlling your character, but rifling through menus instead. I feel disconnected from the game, and the stories are never the kind that make up for that. Like I don't give a fuck about anime storylines. I like action games. Though, I enjoy tactical RPGs a lot more than games like Xenoblade, like FFTactics for example. I guess I like that all the RPG shit is condensed down to what is kind of like a board game. I don't want to run around a huge world and talk to a bunch of dumb niggers if inexplicably the combat is suddenly less interactive and visceral. It's probably a combination of all of those things, and I imagine I'd enjoy a JRPG despite the lack of feeling connected if the story and characters were less anime shit, or I could enjoy a more anime game if the combat and movement was more action based.

>All I see is that the guy is asking for proof, you are extremely unwilling to give any
I immediately gave proof the first 3 times it was asked for. He ignored it and shitposted.

>Dude, either present your evidence
9/10
You're really good at this.

>That isn't broken English, you illiterate fucking retard
Really.
Look at what you just posted. It reads like someone who had just learned English on the boat. Plus I plugged that into Google and got the same result as you so at least we know you don't practice what you preach.

>You know how to use a search engine
Says the person who took this long to prove his own point. You could have just linked that in the original post and they no one would know you're just an EOP.
Also an unlocked Wikipedia article? Really?

>I immediately gave proof the first 3 times it was asked for.
Then why did you expect him to search engine further for the proof you wanted to show?

>Are you guys arguing about a fee being a prerequisite of gacha
Nah, well the other guy who's pretending to be a Jp expert is I'm just mocking him at this point because he can't follow through in an argument.

QED

>because it's legitimately good
If that were the case then they would use the merits of the game itself instead of deflecting to another system.

>Really
Yes, really. It's grammatically correct and an accurate translation of what was posted. Specifically what word usage in that excerpt seems unnatural or grammatically incorrect to you? Which two words near each other make you think the syntax is incorrect?

>Plus I plugged that into Google and got the same result as you so at least we know you don't practice what you preach.
Why do you lie?

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So you were wrong about something and now you're only pretending to be retarded? Okay. Thanks for clearing that up.

Deflecting to what other system? Persona 5 has plenty of merits though, I find hard to believe nobody uses the merits of the game to defend it.

the same reason why nintendolet and BING is common insult in monster hunter generals even the game is undistipuitly good:
Its Yea Forums and also alot of people are shitting out make belive shit because they are triggered cause its not on their favorite fisher price tablet

>So you were wrong about something
That's implying my argument was about gacha and not the fact that the guy wanted his opposition to prove his point.

>why do people not have deep discussions with fanbois on Yea Forums.
>i swear this wasnt a issue with otherr games!
are you for real?

Sorry, but I just scrolled through the thread and actually read the reply chain. You're not going to fool me like that.

>I find hard to believe nobody uses the merits of the game to defend it.
Have you ever been in a p5 thread? Like, a non waifu one? Any time anyone says they don't like something it's always met with deflecting to another game or system like this user has done

>You're not going to fool me like that.
You're right, you're doing a good enough job of that yourself. I mean any idiot can see the original guy left a long time ago and the argument shifted after that.

This reminds me of BotW threads, any time someone metions something even slightly negative, it immediately turns into a deflection towards sony. Sounds like standard Yea Forums deal.

>the argument shifted after that.
It didn't. This guy here
being an idiot and pretending that ignoring posts makes them go away won't change the fact that the argument was about gacha.

They made every member of Torna playable or usable as a Blade...except Malos.

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I don't dislike it, but it seems like they went backwards in some respects. It's way too constricting and linear compared to X. Also not a fan of gacha elements to getting the blades you want. They also took WAY too long to unlock every battle mechanic, so the first 40 hours or so are drudgery. Everything after that is a legit 9/10.

BoTW is a different case.
Originally everyone talked about it normally criticism and all but once the final dlc came and passed the threads were taken over by ACfag who had compiled criticisms into several pastas and wouldn't stop posting daily "criticism" threads.
Needless to say even Nintendofags got tired of it and just started shitposting as much as he did to kill them off for good.

That's why you should really jump on the train day one with Nintendo games here otherwise you're going to get a bad impression.

Thanks for linking to the part where the argument shifted and the OG user left.
Are there any more irrelevant pieces of information you're going to bring up?

Oh, so the idiot post was you and you're just angry that you didn't read the thread? That makes a lot of sense.

It's not different at all. You are coming across as a nintendo drone, but at the very least you are far from unbiased. As someone who owns all systems, I have no interest in your console war bullshit. Go away.

Nah, only the best. You just have shit taste my friend.

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>if its nintendo, it doesnt count
wow lad, real showed those p5 fags!

It's tedious to play.

>You are coming across as a nintendo drone, but at the very least you are far from unbiased.
You need to work on your syntax there user the implication of your words here is that Nintendofags are unbiased.
Anyway feel free to check the archives you can tell that after the last dlc came out we only had the exact same threads with the exact same images from. The exact same person.

>so the idiot post was you
You do know that there were like two different people replying to you right?

unless he is that person and is slyly trying to deny he ever did anything like that.

In what possible way could you interpret that as meaning Nintendofags are unbiased, ESL-kun? This should be good, I'm listening.

I don’t dislike it, I just wish it got another 6 months to be fully baked at launch
>better performance
>more tedious mechanics made less so, like letting merc missions pass time while the game is off or reducing the number of fucking tickets Ursula needs
>more re-takes for voice acting, better voice Director
>better audio mixing
>more polish on most cutscenes
>more variance in side quests
While I’m happy about the XB1 DE, XB2 would arguably benefit from it way more.
And to be clear, in spite of all these gripes I have with the game, it’s still my favorite Xenoblade game.

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I mean, it could be ACfag. He does lurk xeno threads posting porn just to complain about it later after all.

I wonder what compels him to ruin threads like that? I mean this one is going to die soon but still.

Dude, reread that sentence
>You are coming across as a nintendo drone, but at the very least you are far from unbiased.

You know i can still play the original right?

Dude, I read the sentece, I wrote it after all. I'm asking you how you managed to interpret it as nintendofags are unbiased, because I'm legit curious when will you realize your retardation.

Not him but I'll give you a hint the problem is in this part
>but at the very least you are far from unbiased.
You're calling him biased here too. You should be able to figure out the rest.

Is this board filled with ESLs, or are you just fucking with me? Of course I'm calling him biased.

Overwhelming U.I and overall overwhelming combat, I Might not get the new switch version of xenoblade 1 because its intimidating

>Of course I'm calling him biased
You do realise you called him biased twice, right?

Best boy.

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story sucked so much
combat boring

Will you get to the point already?

>Is this board filled with ESLs
Yes.

Christ you're such an illiterate fuckwit.
You called him a Nintendofag which is already saying he has a bias towards Nintendo but then you added BUT AT LEAST he isn't unbiased" implying that he's not the norm for a Nintendofag which would mean that they're unbiased.

You should have just said
"you're coming off as a biased Nintendofag" you spic piece of shit.