Toby put the other Undertale songs in the Megalovania Remix

Its just a mii costume there's still one more full character

I'm surprised no-one talked about the Mii Team Rocket grunt outfit, Figured that lead to a lot of porn.

its a mii costume, still one more slot in the pass. not that it matters, they announced more dlc characters were coming anyway

Sans pretty much over shadowed everything else.

Because you can't own timbre.

what's the point of me creating and recording my own sample libraries if some kid can just steal them all? maybe I should just steal some old soundfonts i like and save myself effort.
can that really be legal?

They gave him focus because they knew he was going to get the biggest reaction in the direct. They were right by the way just sayin.

The bassline is different at least.

Toby put other Undertale songs in most of the Undertale songs

>maybe I should just steal some old soundfonts i like and save myself effort.
You can actually literally just do this. No one gives a shit unlike most other weird grey areas like this. Toby not only got away with it but the goddamn song itself is in Smash, and the EB guitars are still there. They don't care, No one does, and it probably happens much more often than you think. Listen to the end of that Friends theme or whatever that was made for Sonic Mania, the piano is also Earthbound's, specifically from Smiles and Tears.

Just don't use sounds that are unanimously and unmistakably associated with a brand, which these guitars are not. I encourage it actually, save yourself from reinventing a wheel that's already too expensive to constantly do.

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>still one more full character
Actually they confirmed more after the last character for the Fighters Pack

It's only stealing if you hold onto your sounds and only give them out if someone buys a license to use them. Otherwise, all samples and soundfonts are fair game, and that's how it should be imo. this guy states it well. And I'll repeat my simplification of it - you cannot own timbre. Also, very little of Megalovania is made with "samples," just the drums. Everything else is synthesized electronically.

If vanilla ice can literally loop the beginning of under pressure then making money off songs composed with soundfonts made for something else isnt illegal.

Vanilla Ice ended up eating shit for that.

I mean it's Sans

what did you expect

>music originally written for a romhack of earthbound is now officially is smash bros
what in the literal fuck is happening?

That is a completely different situation. Also it wasn't the same samples. What he stole was everything from the bassline to the drum beat. He stole an entire backing track and sold it as his own song. It wasn't the sounds he was using, but how he was using them. And he did pay a big fat settlement for it, iirc. He might not have. If he didn't, he should have.

It really fucking sucks that Megalovania is the song Sans is known for instead of his original themesong.

Remember when Blizzard sued the shit out of the people that made Shawn of the Dead for ripping StarCraft sounds for their zombie gib sounds?
haha me neither

what
>megalovania was first used in the earthbound halloween hack back in 2008
holy fucking shit

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>fights a bunch of children-like characters
>then a plant
Every character reveal could just be a showcase of moves, but it’s still cute how Sakurai tries to make every scene a reference to something.

>megalovania was used in a homestuck flash
>mfw this is the closest homestuck will ever get to being in smash

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I fucking love guitar solos

I bought the Mii costume just for this remix.

Andrew? Andrew Hussie? Is that you?

Andrew, I can't and won't make this any simpler for you.

You failed at life. You failed. When one thinks of what man is capable of, pushing himself to the limits physically, mentally and emotionally to achieve heights of success never before mentioned, your name will not be whispered in the same, reverent fashion that others have.

Nobody will remember Andrew Hussie. You aren't even a header or a footer in the career of someone else. You are nobody. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

In short, you are an enormous failure.

Andrew, being that you're about 35 years old and your brain has probably hard-wired itself to accept such failures by now and write off such criticism by being "flippant", really suggests that you've passed beyond the proverbial breaking-point. There's no turning back. This is your career, this is what defines you and this is what you'll defend to the end.

The abhorrent failure that is MS Paint Comics, Andrew Hussie, that is your legacy.

Maybe I'm over-reaching, however. Who knows? People CAN change. Maybe you'll read this, Andrew, and think long and hard about what a wasteful life you've led. Maybe you'll think, "wow. It's incredible just how abysmal and pathetic I really AM!" Maybe you'll lift some weights in the morning. Maybe you'll take a self-help class.

Maybe in a couple of years, Andrew, you'll have learned from this failure. I doubt it, though.

I genuinely doubt it.

Now excuse me, I have to work on Deltarune. My accountant estimates over sixty million dollars in sales.

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>We got a battle theme from an EarthBound romhack before we got an actual EarthBound battle theme

There are a lot of tiny changes throughout the entire song and some clear influences from other tracks, even a thing or two from the homestuck version of the song. They're just subtle

I literally only know megalovania

>Toby is such a Chad that he got the biggest fan-content-hating company in the industry to put his fan-song into one of their biggest series

>read this shit
>read the part where she dies in meat afterwards
died laughing

this has some many small changes in it, u gotta listen to it a few times, like tasting wine

so what stage does this even play on?

Is Sans in smash? Does it count if it's a mii costume?
twitter.com/AngriestPat/status/1169385898330525701?s=19

So was there like a fucking feud or something between the two or what? I have no clue about anything that happened with toby in the whole homestuck thing and I've seen this post like 30 times everywhere else today.

It's just shitposting, people bitter about Homestuck using Toby's comparative success as fuel for putting Hussie down

Probably lumped in with all the songs that go in stages that don't represent a playable character or relevant series.

Undertale itself never really appealed to me, but the music is pretty great. I'm glad they were able to do this. Toby Fox has earned his place in vidya history.

It's not an accomplishment when Undertale is the same two songs slightly remixed on each other.

Kinda dark but ok

maybe, but let's be real here
how do you think hussie feels about this?

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I just wish it had His Theme playing slightly at the end, you know what I mean? It would be a nice little bow to wrap it all up. Still a fantastic remix though, Toby.

Not at all. Hussie was an internet superstar back in the day for writing Homestuck, and Toby made music for him for free, which at the time was a great honor. When Toby started making Undertale, Hussie let him live in his basement. The irony, and the meme, comes from the fact that Toby eventually completely eclipsed Hussie in fame and success, and Hussie faded into obscurity.

>Heartache and Bonetrousle poking through
Fuck

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All of the "other" stages.
AKA Summit, Hanenbow, Balloon Fight, Living Room, Find Mii, Tomodachi Life, Pictochat 2, Duck Hunt, Wrcking Crew, Pilotwings, and Wuhu Island.

this fits none of those stages wtf
i cant even put it on final destination?

Toby Fox is a talentless hack who reuses songs constantly because he can't make anything new, and you, like the braindead faggot you are, eat that shit up. So no, he's not "based".

I'd say pictochat fits the most due to the main platform itself being a text box and the various hazards are reminiscent of undertale's combat

Toby literally made his dreams come true. From romhacker to getting his actual fan-content into a real Nintendo game

have you ever made a single thing

I made you and I regret it.

truly his story is an inspiration to us all

So was Koji Kondo being a talentless hack for SMW?

you're retarded and not funny

Undertale is a good game and I wish twitter kids actually played it themselves to know. Sans fan wank wouldn't be annoying if it wasn't this obvious they only know this character and the song especially from Youtubers going "woooow what the fuck do I DOOOO OMG." The kind of people who obsess like this probably never even did a genocide run, if they played it at all.

for a talentless hack he sure is pretty talented in swindling millions out of braindead faggots and getting his rehashed creations put on modern consoles

Serious question, is "leitmotif" in your vocabulary

i liked near the end of the genocide run where flowey calls out stream watchers lol

There's a big difference between a leitmotif and reusing shit over and over, user.

98% those samples are from a synthesizer/rompler made by Roland/Yamaha/Korg/etc.

> Leitmotiv
> Noun
> "A musical composition technique in which an artist reuses shit over and over again to associate a recognizable musical section with a specific character, idea, or theme."
Nope, dictionary says you're wrong.

For fuck's sake I know its his theme but Battle Against a True Hero is way better than Mega.

Checked with Memrriam-Webster just to be sure.

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Why do I see this argument so often? What has he even done music for besides undertale or homestuck? He was like 18 when he made the song for homestuck and it was good enough to reuse. the rest of undertale is full of motifs.

Oh you're a comedian huh? A fucking funny man?
Also, 'vania isn't Sans leitmotif.

It's not even his theme. It's your theme in the genocide route. You're the big bad boss and Sans is the hero trying to stop you in that scenario. As such it's your music that plays.

San's actual battle theme is "Song that might play when you fight Sans" which is never heard ingame but is a sped up version of the regular "sans." track and also has the leitmotif of Bonetrousle. Note that Megalovania has no leitmotif or similaries to "sans." or "Bonetrousle" since it's not his theme.

Better question, why do you call every point made in a conversation "an argument." You gonna start using mathematical logic in debate rules to poke holes in everyday conversation? Best whip out that Latin, boy.

wtf this dude kazumi totaka puts the same damn song in every game, what a talentless fucking hack

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Not so sure about that.

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Well, I realized I responded to the wrong guy. Meant to reply to this guy Assuming you're the second guy, you're clearly making an argument against whatever OP said. After rereading OP and your post I've decided you're both cringe and retarded, so I wash my hands of the debate. You both win the internet today.

...'cept Totaka's song is an easter egg, arguably his signature.

based

I just want you to know when you walk away like this from conversations in real life, acting like the world conforms to your metrics of what's right and wrong from a debate standpoint in people just talking to each other, everyone's saying you're weird behind your back

The Chad Toby vs. The Virgin Phil

Well I don't talk to people in real life

Sans Sucks. Brazil here.

>THAT BIT WHERE IT LITERALLY JUST STRAIGHT UP QUOTES THE HOMESTUCK VERSION
IT'S ALL I EVER WANTED OUT OF A PROPER REMIX OF THIS SONG
TOBY DOES IT AGAIN

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Megalovania is in Bring It In, Guys! when Sans appears.

What is it about Undertale that attracts this level of autism?

Just remember if you're ever overly paranoid about copyright when it comes to sampling:
Undertale (among many other games, since UT is far from the only game to use these) uses Megaman X, Earthbound, Mario World, and more for its music. Flowey's laugh is a stock laugh used in looney toons. Plenty of Flowey's other voiceclips are also ripped out of a McDonalds Commercial. Sans's voice is Patrick. Toriel/Asriel/Undyne/Asgore's voices are a clip of a character from fatal frame.
Earthbound itself samples the Beatles, Little Rascals, Johnny B. Goode, Monty Python, and who fucking knows what else.
Hideki Naganuma exists and still does what he does.

That you too can succeed using other people's ideas and assets repackaged for normalfags who don't normally touch foreign stuff (because eww that's not American) because you're too lazy and untalented to do anything else?

You too can pursue your dreams if you're willing to accept that your greatest aspirations only appeal to autistic 12 year olds.

>being this bitter that you won't put in the effort to make your own game

>Kinda dark but ok
Hussie deserve this and more.

>Also, 'vania isn't Sans leitmotif.
Yeah, its Vriska

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im not going to say toby isn't skilled
but he did get extremely lucky

it actually fucking happened holy shit

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Am working on a game now user. I'm just keyboard-on-head retarded at coding and that's frankly the important skill for single man projects- not my talents (writing, level design).

I liked the game but its success is meme-based, and relies on the autistic tendencies of a streaming underage audience or mindless desire of the Nips to only consume cute, quirky and comfy media.

Homestuck was and still is a marketable IP that's probably earned Hussie a good amount of labor.

There might be a Woodie/Buzz comparison to be made, thuogh

So does everyone that is anyone.

He got lucky with Homestuck since it helped give him an audience but even without it he probably would have turned out the same

People liked UT at first since it was an interesting Kickstarter game with a good demo, not so much because they recognized the name of the dude who made it

>I liked the game but its success is meme-based, and relies on the autistic tendencies of a streaming underage audience or mindless desire of the Nips to only consume cute, quirky and comfy media.

Holy buzzword batman. If you are so smart why not make a multi million dollar hit then?. Is it about integrity or some shit?

>frankly the important skill for single man
And you think Toby knows how to code? Lmao, the guy used a rpg maker. Specific skills are irrelevant, you either make something or you dont.

Don't act like luck was all that mattered. Undertale was completely fucking unknown up until release outside of Yea Forums threads. The game did well because a lot of people liked it, so it caught on. That's what happens when someone with a strong artistic vision makes a game, even if the effects aren't always this dramatic.
Fuck, Love-de-Lic's MOON: RRA is finally getting a translation despite that company being dead since the PS2 days solely because the game resonates with people.
>Am working on a game now user. I'm just keyboard-on-head retarded at coding and that's frankly the important skill for single man projects-
user, you know Toby's game is a complete fucking spaghetti mess of bullshit, right? Coding is not important to making a game people actually like. Fuck, if you want a laugh sometime, go look up how the "turning to dust" effect that happens when a monster dies in Undertale is achieved. It's a wonder the game runs at all, but it works, and that's all that matters.

>It's a wonder the game runs at all, but it works, and that's all that matters.
I remember when the Celeste devs released their code, it was the messiest most inefficient awful code I have ever seen but god that game was for sure top 5 games that year.

i love toby's music

youtube.com/watch?v=R7_M_fqjDfI

>Undertale was completely fucking unknown up until release outside of Yea Forums threads
It had a furry momfu that kept people's attention in any fandom site including here.

it caught on because of e-celebs playing it
if they never did who knows what would of happened

I implore you to go look up how much furfag art got before release and how far spread out it was, user, because you are drastically overstating the effect of one character.
There were a decent number of relatively popular ecelebs who played the demo before release, and it did not catch on then. It caught on after release.

I fucking hate you revisionists, e celebs only started playing the game once it was popular to latch on autistic people. Do you think those faggots would play a random game like this? Most ecelebs are normalfags that wouldnt touch this kind of games unless they can get profit

>Fuck, if you want a laugh sometime, go look up how the "turning to dust" effect that happens when a monster dies in Undertale is achieved

Explain, wouldn't it just be as simple as a sprite swap? Is this harder than I assume it is?

GMS IS NOT AN RPG MAKER REEEEEEE

>because you are drastically overstating the effect of one character.
To an extent I disagree, and I know there were more factors to it, but I'm too tired to type a proper response.

Never played Undertale, but why did they give Sans a gun? Would a brawler not work? The gun looks weird as fuck.

Look up the sans fight and come back

OMG OMG OMG NINTENDO AND AND AND UNDERTALEEEEE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH MODS STICKY NOWWWW!

Because he uses guns? Jesus christ this board sometimes

Let me explain it to you. People found this shit out while decompiling the game.
So, Gamemaker is fucking wonky with "destruction" effects, and having the game generate it entirely in real time can murder the shit out of the framerate in most cases.
Toby, in his juryrigged wisdom, decided that the best way to avoid the framedrops was to set it up so that (to keep it short) the dust effect would be decided by text. Of course, this meant that he had to create ASCII art for literally every single killable enemy in the entire game. People found the code he used to generate it— he did it all one-by-one, slapped it all in different places, and directed it as needed. On top of this, he actually changed up the code used to convert the images to ASCII partway through development, so the turning to dust effect is actually completely different for every enemy after Snowdin. You can see it pretty clearly with Papyrus's death— His head uses the new-type ASCII (since he probably pit in the thing where his head pops off later in development) and his body uses the old effect you can see from every prior enemy.
youtu.be/bVtWXPssS54

It caught on because it already had a built in initial fanbase because Toby was a popular Homestuck musician.

Why does he have a fish head for a right hand.

that's undyne

those soundcloud AU megalovanias are better than the original megalovania

>all these people who don't know about the true best toby fox song
youtu.be/nClhUae7DMs
at least until you realize the hank hill samples aren't just at the end, anyways

holy shit is that sans from undertale

youtube.com/watch?v=xFgwSP-GN0M

That's really interesting user.

>Of course, this meant that he had to create ASCII art for literally every single killable enemy in the entire game

So you're saying that there's just hundreds if not thousands of lines of "code" that is just there to appear as a death animation and break off into pieces but is really just a cruder version of the thing it represents?

What the fuck?

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Also, this is a more forgivable mistake, but for a full 2-3 months there were about 5 eastereggs that were entirely impossible to activate because Toby typed "Fun" instead of "fun".

Basically, yes. Pretty sure if you crack open Undertale with a decompiler you can see all of it.
My theory is that Toby was trying to find a way that wouldn't kill the framerate to do the effect, and he found some tutorial about using ASCII maps for it and just figure "eh fuck it, it'd look weird if I used a generic one for everything and I'm sick of looking for more, so I'll just manually convert all of them to ascii".
People also found out that a lot of the variables in the Flowey fight are named stupid shit like "big boner down the lane".

It was either that or massive frame rate drops.

It's not the worst solution, to be honest. If you want to see what happens when you make Gamemaker do all that shit in real time, go play Super Benbo Quest.

I thought that keeping Gaster and his creepy followers unactivated was part of his plan.

I really hate this timeline

Gamemaker dev here. confirmed toby is a retard who doesn't know how to use shaders.
that shit is simple and should never take much CPU.

No, it was literally a mistake that he fixed in a bug patch. In the unpatched version if you went and checked your save file whenever the game tried to change the "fun" value for the Gaster easter eggs, it added a new "Fun" variable instead because Toby just straight up fucked it up.
Pretty sure he tweeted about it too, but he's nuked pretty much all of his old tweets.

Pour one out for the Mystical Ninja. My boy deserved better than being overshadowed by the meme skeleton.

>Wow, that's fucking insane. It's a miracle that even compiles at all.

I mean, what COULD beat the meme skeleton?

Alright regardless of whether you think another Undertale rep is coming or not, would you want one?

If only to bring more of its music

I'd be perfectly okay with one, honestly. Top picks would probably be Kris, Asgore, and Mettaton.

hes in

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This fag still angers me and I'm emotionally dead to most things

sans' theme is good and all but it's not very exciting

sans' fight is maybe THE standout moment in undertale because the game takes the gloves off. It's impossible to lose most of the moments that are supposed to be climactic in the pacifist/good guy route, whereas sans' fight slaps you across the face if you make more than a second's worth of mistakes and then proceeds to count your deaths. Makes it feel more impactful

Well to be fair the game treats you as if you cant die anyway thats kind of the point, its all heartfelt and shit in the pacifist ending but they really drive it home in the genocide ending

>sans' fight is maybe THE standout moment in undertale because the game takes the gloves off
I dunno, I'd say Genocide Undyne's fight probably qualifies as that.
God, I am so glad that Deltarune has a higher base difficulty than Undertale if Ch.1 is anything to go by. My biggest issue with Undertale is how fucking easy it was.

>Not Rude Buster

I see you too reserve a special hatred for fatfags.
>butter
>dragon

Saving it for the Susie challenger pack.

You don't create anything you fat tub of shit.

At least Toby did everything in his power to make sure most people didn't even know this thing was in the game, and even if they did that Toby thought it was horrible too

>NOOOOOO IT WAS HATKENS TURN HOW COULD THEY DO THIS?!

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Will you fags just shut up with your constant sperging out about Undertale's soundtrack? I read this shit all the time and it's just tiring
It's mediocre at best and just because it uses musical motifs for characters (protip: most games and movies do this) it doesn't make it good and you don't sound smart for pointing out that this pretty rubbish remix uses themes from other tracks in the game.
It's a fun tune sure, but it really isn't as mindblowing or as impressive as you guys think.

>to this day not a single person asked how a skeleton can be pudgy

Its a joke on being big boned (aka fat and lazy)

>Well to be fair the game treats you as if you cant die anyway thats kind of the point
Basically this. He's there to either be a pleb filter or get you riled up and pissed to where you regret it.

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He isn't fat. Just big BONED

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ok retard

you mean jack's

Oh is this one of those Time vs Space things in computing?

I don't think anyone is saying that the soundtrack is amazing. The fact it is in smash goes hand in hand with Sans being put in Smash as a skin.
If fucking Minecraft Steve was made as a character I doubt you could find some Minecraft music that would fit the pacing of a Smash game

Fuck me what is it?

The funny thing is this isnt Sans's theme, It's Charas

k

People still buy in to that autistic rumor after Toby directly shot it down on twitter?

Instead of sticking your head in the sand, try growing some thicker skin.

Yeah, and how many people ask how Mario's nose can be a near-perfect sphere

That's the thing, no one cares. It's associated with Sans so all the meme spouting faggots will call it Sans theme

I'm not that smart and my skills are more like lightning in a bottle. When they hit, they fucking hit. When they miss, they miss badly. Frankly, I envy people who are able/willing to crank their craft into a more-consistent science.

Also I like immersive sims and 80 hour JRPGs neither of which is possible or successful on this level (no Prey/Dishonored modding tools WHYYYYYYYY).

Oh yeah I'm aware. One thing I noticed was the encounters are pre-determined. And the level design is complete shit- walk right and sometimes up.

I guess that's my biggest problem with it. I normally love passion projects but don't think Undertale deserves the acclaim comparative to the level of project. In my eyes, it's the image of a game that works better on Youtube than irl, because real gamers will notice immediately how flawed it is. I would never want to release a game that "just" functions like it does.

I'm also a bit flummoxed by how the story gets a pass for a lot of bad writing- like lesbian doctor mengele is a legitimately awful character whose literal Holocaust-tier flaws are hand-waved because LESBIAN. Not going to deny the series' comedic potential though.

>Steve Jobs is considered successful for making iphone which is made for literal retards
>Ray Kroc is considered successful because he invented a burger joint whose only purpose is to litter the earth and make people obese
>Pop idols are considered successful because their voices are electronically manipulated to sound good along with a tune and lyrics that other people wrote.

But some kid whose ambition was only to make a few rom hacks for basically his own enjoyment makes a game that uses a style of gameplay literally never seen before while creating his own music is a failure simply because a very loud minority makes an actual autist (you) angry because people enjoy something other than his newest Eurotruck simulator dlc. Stay mad loser

furfags fat dragon whatever the fuck that had a ton of controversy surrounding it due to it being fucking stupid

Most characters in that game had earned a really bizzare reputation with furfags.
Question is though... Can you kill it?

>A fucking Mii costume and song completely overshadowed a new character

I feel bad for SNK and fans of Terry. Holy shit.

The autistic screaming of untertale fans will forever outcry any new character to Smash until something as equally popular with those children is released

if it comes it'd better be papyrus or MTT

I don't fucking play eurotrucks, I despise those too. I like games that challenge or say interesting things. Undertale is halfway there but succumbs to "lol millenial" shit-tier writing haphazardly mixed in with some of the much cooler, more meta stuff. The moment a series profits off of meme status, it becomes the lowest form of commercial entertainment. The literal definition of grassroots.

>"gameplay literally never seen before"
Wat

Goku

kris or frisk, preferably kris
give me the world revolving

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oh no user its literally a furfags OC that toby put in the game after he won a drawing or some shit i think google "Samael D. Butterdragon" and to answer your question i dont think you can in genocide

isn't the world revolving LITERALLY a touhou song

Today, I shall remind them.

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Fuck off with that cancerous shit. Undertale is a fucking gamemaker turnbased game (and a terribly optimized and poorly detailed one at that) and the whole gimmick is not to kill anyone for the best ending.
Unqiue? Sure. Never seen before style or gameplay? Get the fuck out.

what? no, retard. toby said he took cues from touhou in that he tried to save the best music for the most difficult fights to keep the player engaged, that's probably what you're thinking of

Literally only readable if you're an obese twitter goblin now.

Not suprised. Toby is a massive weeb that loves touhou and met ZUN at one point too. There's massive references to touhou in the game too.

youtu.be/1PK8vdX-ZLI

the chorus is 1:1

oops

No one's even talking about Protoman and how damn good the costume looks

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Are you serious right now? This is literally a fanmade mash-up.

Its a rehash from 4

I absolutely love Zero's armor design. Absolute peak performance Zero (X4-X6) and and an incredibly iconic design that you can spot a mile away.
But if it involves SANS UNDERTALE what else do you think people are gonna shitpost about?

That's just fucking vile.

>probably get a full character and stage in the next smash bros.

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ok fair enough

Doubtful

>I like games that challenge or say interesting things.

The game isn't meant to be challenging (except for Sans, and I swear if you say that was easy...) and it also isn't meant to say anything meaningful.

And sure, Orange Mengele did some horrible shit to her fellow monsters, but the ENTIRE game was about accepting others. I mean you were *supposed* to spare every monster even though they were literally trying to murder you for absolutely no reason. If you kill literally everyone but 1 rando monster, you get a neutral ending where Sans is just like "oh shit you killed my brother...hmmm...ok"

>The moment a series profits off of meme status, it becomes the lowest form

Name 1 meme in the game that existed prior to its release that, had it had been without said meme, the game wouldn't have been successful. I'll help you out here....you can't name it because it doesn't exist.

>focus
>it's just a skin
Nah, and i'm not even fan of undertale.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Im thinking more the next fighters pass, if a costume got this much hype surrounding it you know for a fact a character would make Yea Forums unusable for the better part of a decade

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Dude, finally fucking Goemon. Am I literally the only person who cares?

Shoulda been Papyrus swordfighter baka

How long until he kills himself out of embarassment?

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Hussie is dead at this point man

Unique would imply it’s never seen before retard. And you’re forgetting the whole shmup part. Any other rpgs with shmup elements out there?

The turn-based combat with reaction inputs combined with bullet hell sequences which changed depending on the enemies present/how you treated them is pretty unique and never before seen. The aspects of each of those have all been seen before - it's the merging of them, and how they interact, which all which makes it a "never before style of gameplay".

It's like saying that "oh Paper Mario/Mario and Luigi's combat actually isn't unique and wasn't seen before because we have platformer levels where you have to carefully time and jump/hit attacks to avoid damage", or "well the way you can initiate combat by jumping on them isn't unique". Like, no shit, we've seen those aspects of timing jumps and attacks to avoid shit before, or jumping on enemies to attack. That's literally platformers as a genre. We haven't seen it in an RPG before, which is why they're unique and, as that poster said "never-before seen".

If you boiled every aspect of each game that has some neat gameplay, you will inevitably find another game that has done it before until you get all the way back to the 1970's when video games first came about. What makes gameplay systems unique is not their base ideas - it is how each different idea interacts and makes a product whole.

This, though honestly I'm just glad we got goemon in any capacity at all. No matter what set he got revealed in he'd have probably been overshadowed, unfortunately.

If Deltarune is out by then and is just as well-received I would say it's a pretty likely candidate. Aside from his games' international popularity Toby has clearly been doing some serious networking with Nintendo and the Japanese industry in general.
Of course I'd probably pick Quote/Curly first, but nobody can say Toby doesn't deserve it either.

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>Sans is on an Earthbound stage
heh

I missed the news. How much from Undertale exactly is in Smash?

>Undertale is terribly optimized
I don't really see the point in criticizing someone's spaghetti code in Gamemaker if the end result still runs fine

Sans mii gunner costume, comes with Megalovania too

So much! They even put in Ness from Earthbound because of UNDERTALE

>a style of gameplay literally never seen before
It's just a shmup with SMT's negotiation system

Damn. That's pretty cool. Good for Toby, I guess.

surely, Never. he will take his judgment by God like a man

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no the one from 4 looks worse

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No, Undertale's negotiation actually makes sense

they're nitpicking to compensate for their jealousy, Toby literally became a legendary status with Undertale and any indie devs would kill to achieve it.

SMT's makes sense, it just has RNG to make sure you can't just negotiate your way through every battle easily

jack's leitmotif is "black" tho

yes so terribly optimized any shitter biege pc can run it

is it because homestuck turned into shit or because he's done nothing with himself since

Its because the fanbase held him down and emotionally raped him for years

Funny thing is that it's Vriska's theme for when she killed Tavros

Funny thing is it's Dr. Andonuts's theme from the end of the Halloween Hack

It's Toby's signature song that he puts in all his shit somewhere, it's his theme.

You fucking forget how every Yea Forums thread about UT during (and after) the Kickstart was half mommy milkies about Toriel. The other half was jerking off how the 4th wall breakage, and the way the game changes things around (in-game and out of game) was really cool - and how it'd impact things. It's unfortunate he couldn't keep the out-of-game stuff, that's what really set it apart imo.

No it's the final boss of the Halloween Hack's
Actually it's a remix of a song from Brandish 2

>The game isn't meant to be challenging except for Sans
I thought the entire point of the Sans fight was to be so tedious and difficult that the player would outright shit bricks and consider stopping the genocide run. Does the rest of the game after that become a breeze again or do other characters put up more of a fight?
>Entire game is about accepting others
Yes because despite the fact people are trying to kill you, sparing them even when self defence would be safer and easier is certainly the most logical course of action.
Before I even seen the gameplay I heard fans being highly autistic about how you play the game. "YOU HAVE TO SPARE EVERYONE!1!!11!" It's as if the same people who sperg out about how Undertale is the best game ever only insist people play the good route despite some of the game's most interesting shit being in the different runs of the game.
>Name 1 meme in the game that existed prior to its release that, had it had been without said meme, the game wouldn't have been successful
What? The game thrown in so many forced jokes and memable shit that it was bound to have tons of memes. The entire super difficult Sans fight in itself is a meme because of how difficult it is. The game would not be anywhere near as popular if it wasn't so heavily memed out there.
Yea Forums would have had 1 or 2 threads about it. Perhaps decided that it's mildly unique then left it alone. But all the fucking daily threads about it at the time of its release was one huge circlejerk of forced memes and cringe. So yes, the game was made popular and relied on being popular because of the memes.

What the fuck?

hot

The incnetive to spare everyone is that the game becomes piss easy if you don't because everything besides True Hero fish girl and Sans is balanced for level 1

So is Sans a Mage of Time or a Mage of Void

He's Ness

What stage is Megalovania in? FD?

>The game isn't meant to be challenging (except for Sans
Undyne the undying is challenging

Magicant :^)

Holy shit talk about coming full circle

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I appreciate the guitar that's there but it's not enough
youtube.com/watch?v=l1p0bLkNGa0

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To be fair. A gamemaker game should run on a literal toaster. No denying that it's not optimized because of the system requirements but it's a bit of a moot point because any computer should run a gamemaker game regardless of how retarded the code is or isn't.

timestamp? or is it just the vriska guitar?

>next smash bros
user i....

It's because they knew it'll be huge news. It even made it on twitter trending all according to keikaku

Cool news.
So when are they going to buff my little nig Little Mac?

It sounds completely different what the fuck are you talking about.

WAY better, the original was good but a bit repetitive this is insane.

>I don't fucking play eurotrucks, I despise those too
>Despising something just because it's not for you

You can’t polish a turd

Never heard Undertale music before and what the fuck, it's literally a copy of Mega Man and Ducktales tracks.

EVERY fanbase on Yea Forums gets flooded with waifufags at BEST. The generals in the lead up to DMC5 was like watching a gay loading bar.

Sans at EVO

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Has MatPat reacted to this yet?

Kris as a playable fighter.
Stage based on Castle Town.
The World Revolving, Chaos King and Rude Buster new remixes.
Ralsei and Susie as Assist Trophies, also showing up for Kris' Final Smash.
Coming 2021, alongside the full release of Deltarune.

what the fuck mane

Please go back and read what you wrote. You are saying that the game was successful because people talked about it. That's how literally anything becomes popular. I said name a meme that the game uses that made it successful. Difficulty and saying "loads of memes" isn't a meme. I'm mad at myself even replying to someone who hasn't played the game...Sans, the hardest fight is at the very end of the game. Finally, people want others to play a certain way because it has more content. Imagine if a popular streamer just speedran FF 7 for his first playthrough instead of playing through the content...same deal.

>after Toby directly shot it down on twitter?
He obviously wouldn't admit to doing it you doofus. Fact remains you can only encounter him if you read a sign at a specific time on a specific day of the year, which hardly a single percentage of the people who play the game would ever do, compared to the other backer character Muffet who is a main boss(and costed the backer less).

Sans's goal is to make (You) give up by being as obnoxious to fight as possible. He's the last "fight" in the game. You don't really actually fight him because you can't hit him, the game even gives you maxed-out equipment to face him with which is completely worthless because you can't damage him and his attacks deal a set 1-damage-per-frame. It's just a matter of enduring his patterns and bullshit for the several minutes it takes to progress through the full script of the fight.

>Yes because despite the fact people are trying to kill you, sparing them even when self defence would be safer and easier is certainly the most logical course of action.
The point is that you're not actually just an innocent lost kid, you're both capable of killing everything in the Underground and rewinding time to try all of your options even in death, so you can't ever actually justify saying you "had" to kill anyone. You chose to do it because it was easier for you, or because you just wanted to see what would happen.

>The game would not be anywhere near as popular if it wasn't so heavily memed out there. Yea Forums would have had 1 or 2 threads about it.
The game was plenty popular on Yea Forums for a while when the Kickstarter and demo were released.

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I hope Muffet shows up in Deltarune, I know she's not Toby's baby but she was easily the best part of the shitshow that was going through Hotland
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ass

NO
FREAKIN
WAY

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WHO??? I ONLY SEE SANS!!!! zoom zoom zoom!

also, the trick is, you arent playing as frisk. you are playing as you. the game addresses both the pc and the actual player

It's Beter from family goy

She cute.

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didn't muffet get cancelled because people think her creator is a pedo or something

Minecraft Steve, Doomguy and Heavy from TF2 getting in dont't sound so far fetched now.

>the next smash bros.
Should we tell him or...?

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I'd honestly be totally fine with Frisk since he has some fun potential. All the "weapons" you acquire in Undertale could all be used to flesh out his moveset (Gloves/stick for basic A moves, book as a shield, ballerina slippers for air down A, etc.). Plus they could toss in the jetpack and blaster upgrades that the heart gets, maybe some enemy attacks with animation being Frisk dodging the bullets from the enemy sprite while they hit other fighters sort of like Duck Hunt with the gunmen. Could be fun if they wanted to get creative with it.

seething

Were you hoping they'd focus more on goemon? Also wasn't proto man or X already in this game? I could have worn one of them was.

>those tags
Based?

If it's so easy, where's your game?

>Dom/Sub role: Always dominant

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If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid.

Do you think God stays in Heaven because He fears what He created?

No fun allowed

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They won't ever stop. They will shit up Yea Forums ad infinitum and try to get sans into everything. Undertale is the only game they've ever played, so it's no surprise that they don't quite get how, in a grand scheme of things, it's nothing but an alright sounding soundtrack, fittingly from a mediocre game.

the new baseline sucks desu. Probably wouldn't come well through the switch's shitty tingy laptop speakers either.

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and vriska's is literally calked "vriska's theme", which the music actually switches to at the end of the flash

I'm sure the twist is that despite being a costume this is the real Sans (Meta twist just like my undertales). It's the only reason I can think of for why the shit's costume is so much better looking.

>Undertale is related to Homestuck
I knew there was something about that game that made me close to vomiting, and I guess that explains it.
I've never played Undertale because the "indie, pixel romhack" style, cringey character designs, and mentally ill tumblr fanbase put me off really hard. But is the game really that good? If the gameplay is really that fun, I can look past all that stuff. Someone pill me on this, won't you?

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OH MAN WONT YOU GUYS EVER STOP TALKING ABOUT GRAPES GRAPES GRAPES GRAPES THATS ALL YOU TALK ABOUT

She's not dead user

It's a sweet little game. Like with anything, you really shouldn't let the fanbase get in the way of your enjoyment. As far as it's relationship to Homestuck, Undertale is really just a six hour Earthbound game, and not a decades long fanfiction meta wank. Its a fun little thing/

There should be a law against using so many buzzwords in one post. Think for yourself instead of parroting the same baseless opinions of a bunch of retards on this board. Just play the game and form your own opinion.

the music is good, the gameplay is okay for what it is, the characters are genuinely charming and the story is presented in an intriguing way

if you like classic jrpgs i recommend

You know what brings me close to vomiting? All those fucking buzzwords and things that have nothing to do with the actual game. Jesus fuck, learn to talk like a human being, you retard.

the only relation to homestuck is that the song megalovania is also in homestuck. was original created for an earthbound romhack.

Nobody said the soundtrack was some 900 IQ art piece you autist, it just sounds good and that's all that matters.

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A simple costume and remix brings on so much seething, I love it.
Now I'm hoping Frisk or Kris does actually end up as a real fighter, just to see all these retards top themselves.

Small bit of Asgore's Theme can be heard too.

It's not even good though.
Let me help you to gain some taste, you fucking pleb.
youtube.com/watch?v=ZQlLl2j5THQ

>baseless opinions
>nothing to do with the actual game
it's true though. You have a literal fat-fetish dragon furry OC in the game because Toby was swayed by the money. And you can't tell me this fanbase doesn't have it's share of fucked up minds in it (pic related)
Sorry my choice of lazy words offended you, but don't lie. Just take the criticism.
I appreciate it. I may have to give it a chance then.

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I like that soundtrack too user. Tim Follin is a great composer, and so is Toby Fox.
You don't have to hate things to appear superior over others, it's more fun to enjoy things with other people.

>You have a literal fat-fetish dragon furry OC in the game because Toby was swayed by the money.
I like how you don't even know the story of what actually transpired between those. Toby literally offered him a full refund so that sperg would fuck off, then proceeded to hide him in the game where it's literally impossible to encounter him unless you specifically wish to do so. This is not an argument.

And retards producing content out of their own free will has what do with the game, again? Do I just have to find a game I don't like, produce cringy OC, and then claim that this is representative of the whole community? And you will go on to believe that? Wash all this fucking Yea Forums nonsense out of your system, you mongoloid.

And i should be impressed by you liking to eat shit?

fair enough, but now who's the one using buzzwords?

>It's bad. Listen to my favorite instead!
Fascinating musical insight.
Explain from a compositional standpoint why Toby Fox's soundtrack is bad. Not "it's too popular for what it is", not "listen to this other game". Explain what makes it bad.

based

I don't like it, therefore it's bad.

I'm convinced.

This is some apples and oranges shit. I don't get what point you are trying to make at all. Where's the taste in that, and the lack of it in Undertale's OST? I'm confused.

unironically more autistic than undertale autists