Dead or Alive

How can Dead or Alive be saved as a franchise?

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bigger titties and ass, less clothes

less honoka and marie clones and remove zack

More sexy swimsuit for my wife Honoka.

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Make all the women lesbians. That way it appeals to the LGBT community, but keep the T&A.

its already been saved. by being a gachashit fanservice game. nobody plays the fighting game and there's nothing you can do to make it popular, not even making it free*
*with help from creamapi

Stop trying to appeal to fags who won't even play
>inb4 muh esports money

>Make all the women lesbians
But that would ruin the homoerotical tensions by making them plain lesbos

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When will the world stop being cucks and let game like this happen?

>scored 20M event points
>didn't even crack top 1000

I hate playing on the DMM version.

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It's too early to post that stuff, user

>the way Christie and Tina look at each other
MUH

Its censored and spoilered appropriately. Don't worry user!

Do girls actually casually hang around nude?

Posted it for you user. Source is radianteld for anyone that doesn't already know.

>Make all the women lesbians.
Disgusting

You mean you don't hang around ass naked with your bros?

girls with sexier feet.

Cringe.

Girls have purer minds and can hang around naked together without something weird happening, its a widely known fact. I mean, whats could possibly happen? They can't pop boners

Replace all wrestling costumes with bikinis

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Those fucking tits are too much

Bigger titties AND smaller titties.

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They need to be big to carry the franchise

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What are you talking about?

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less generic character designs, give them something more than just tits

less generic artstyle in general, game has no style at all

better gameplay

call it something other than dead or alive cause no one will ever take the brand seriously

You'd need like four hands to hold all of it

>How to save DOA?
Add Jacky as a DLC charcter for 6.

>just change the artstyle
>and the name
>and the tits
>and the gameplay
So you just want another completely unrelated game.

DoA died and became an ecchi series

Imagine the weight of them in your hands

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This series was made on tits and tits alone. And that’s not a bad thing mind you but I don’t know how much more you can do with it, jiggle physics can only go so far.

It has to be such a strain on her back

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less DLC jewery and more nice costumes.

also focus on your regular fanbase instead of trying to pander to the EVOfags.

You add more titties and improve the graphics. It's not a hard concept.

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4k jiggle titties. Visuals are what sells the series and they should hammer down on that. Dead or Alive should become the next Crisis damnit.

And that's a good thing!

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this pretty much,
not even tits saved Senran Kagura, the formula just got stale after repeating it over and over again.

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That's only because SK keeps regressing, like it never had direction to begin with.

why was this entry so badly handled??
first the PR mess with the supposed censorship and in the end they got kicked out of EVO after alienating a good chunk of their fanbase.

DOA5 was good and they kept the game alive with all the new updates. (Ultimate, Last Round)

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Get woke go broke.

release an xtreme volleyball 4 for PC and Switch.

surprised at how much this game gets brought up here, no way to really save it though. Gets stale fast for the people who only play for tits and a lot of the "hardcore" playerbase prefers 5. Doesn't help that koei tecmo haven't been able to handle their products well this last decade. I legitimately can't understand how DOA survives the way it does knowing everyone hates it

He asked what would save it and thats what it would take. i didnt say change the tits though, just that i wanted them on better character designs.

To be fair, more often than not it gets brought up for other reasons.

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>dying in 3 months is good

>surprised at how much this game gets brought up here
Yea Forums prides itself as anti sjw/reddit so it relentlessly consumes fanservice at the expense of everything else.
An example would be DoA threads where if someone wasn't familiar with the series they'd think it was a girl posing simulator.

just be porn

buddy... just take the redpill and just get poses and sr costumes and only grind a little bit just to top off your v stones. You can get a shitton of costumes by modding.

Restoring Helena's proper breast size would be a good start.

More grown woman, no more MR clones

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Younger girls

Focus on single player and go full on lewd.

Drop honkers, make a new rival for Marie in the form of an oppai loli.

I literally don't know at this point. They pander to the only audience they have while trying to capture the only audience that has any reach for them. I just don't know. How can they ever overcome the fact that their audience is a bunch of virgins who fap over their characters and costumes while the series they copied has more staying power despite having been dead for almost a decade?

There's a YU-NO ANIME?

there should be a new mechanic where at the end of the match you can use a special move triggering a cutscene where your character tittyfucks your fallen foe, kinda like a fatality except it's a paizurity

ultra based

fatter breasts
wider hips

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Thoughts on Nico?

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There's better Nicos.

She has a cute butt.

Why aren't there any men in this?

Fuck this sjw bullshit.

>hair covering one eye
dropped.

This but unironically.

They should add Kanna to 6.

she does her hair a couple other ways

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The game was always just marketed as Titty Virtua Fighter but honestly the series isn't very stylish. I'm not sure what to do, and I haven't attempted to olay in so long that my input doesn't matter much.

>hating on her literally best trait
you have to go back

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I want to pull her hair things and bring her in for a kiss.

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she has a nice ass.

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God, I wish that was me.

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Increase Honk's honkability. Once that is done, increase it again. Put the Honk in a perpetual state of increasing honkability.

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It really shouldn't be too hard to recover, if they didn't already ruin their reputation long ago. SF and Tekken get away with having bikinis and lewd costumes so next time just don't act like idiots over that. I think the sillier story mode of DoA6 actually works, but is too low effort to be funny so it comes off as cringey instead. Then they have to figure out these launch issues like no lobbies and a bad costume unlock system. DoA6 already has some good gameplay, good tutorials, decent combo challenges, and a few single player modes. The series just needs some effort put in which unfortunately costs money. But the actual biggest problem for the series is the marketing, and I don't know how you fix that. Despite what Yea Forumsirgins think, there aren't enough of us to offset the lost revenue from getting "normies" to buy it. Even if they were to go full woke, it wouldn't matter, DoA is known as the titty game and I think that'll always limit this series' sale potential. It's a fucking bummer, I liked DoA2 a lot back in the day and now it plays third fiddle to Tekken and SC.

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Trying to pander to two diametrically opposed groups, EVO fags and jap waifu-fags, while also trying to appease sjw gaming journos who want nothing less than the death of this series, was pretty much an impossible task. Add to that them either shitting on or just completely disregarding the older fanbase and what you have left is a game they tried to sell to everyone but ended up satisfying no one. Ridiculous stipulations coming down from KT ordering the scrapping of the Soft Engine and rebuilding the whole thing from the ground up on the DW9 engine, all on an absurdly short development timeline almost made it seem like KT wanted it to fail so they can have an excuse to kill the fighter line and just run on the gacha from now on.

Better PR/messaging.
Stronger core identity/style.
Hitsparks would be nice to see if attacks connect or are blocked
Better music (though 3d fightans seem to lack any decent themes or tunes)
At this point, I'm not sure. The series seems to be a gordian knot that needs to be cut, but how to proceed with that is the issue.

Keep it as a gachashit series. It has no value as a fighting game

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I think you mean Ayane but I understand what you're saying.

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All fighting game series are doomed to become shadows of their former selves and sell fewer and fewer copies than the legendary entries of the past. If there's one genre that online gaming fucked up more than any other, its fighters.$40 for an update disc with new characters/stages/music/story/modes/balance and a fucking retail release for both megafan collectors and casuals to have their eyeballs on was a far, far more successful and value-filled thing than $30 for a few new characters and fuck all. Stop catering to the damn tourney crowd. That isn't where the big bucks and big sales came from. Ever.

I think what hurt DoA more than anything else was the series going Xbox exclusive during the 2000s. It was unable to establish a strong following during that era because of this.

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Ass jiggle physics

That was one of the only good things that happened to it, though.

>though 3d fightans seem to lack any decent themes or tunes
Spoken like someone to have never touched a Namco game

this pretty much.
online killed the genre

Honkers basically is an oppai loli

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but user there already is

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Tecmo whoring themselves wholesale to MS is probably what caused them to collapse and get snatched up by Koei.

so EVO doesn't like DOA because the girls are too sexy?

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too tall. get her to Maries size (and do something about her face) and then we'll talk.

That's just Nico.

don't see why that would be the case seeing as how evo is full of sexual miscreants both in the people participating and running of it

The real answer.

you can't get rid of Honkers, she's the vidya Ai Shinozaki

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Remove every character other than Kasumi

I don't completely buy that, DoA3 sold really good. But in general a fighting game really shouldn't be platform exclusive, never seems to help much. Tecmo in general was in bed with MS for awhile there. The 6-7 year gap between DoA4 and DoA5 is also a big issue.

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DoA 7 is the answer.

ADD HER TEAM NINJA YOU FUCKING HACKS

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Post those tunes, if you're so great.

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>Too tall
She's one inch taller than Marie, still under 5'. And her face IS Marie's. They share a face model.

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is this supposed to be Kokoro?

3 and 4 were the most sucefssul games, im not sure what is that mariecuck smoking

As long as people rip the models to make porn of it, the franchise will live.

Remove Marie Rose
Add Marie Rose

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Having a proper online functionality at launch helps. Seriously, no lobbies was fucking retarded.

$100 season pass on day 1 was a slap in the face. Netcode is delay based because fuck you and the whole unlocking system was garbage

I don't give a fuck if they "fixed" it, that shouldn't have to be there in the first place

Also, lewdness takes away the seriousness of playing the game for reasons other than tits, ass, and bigger tits

What I mean is that with Fighting games having predominantly Japanese legacy competition, having DoA on the Xbox exclusively, a console unpopular in Japan, damaged its ability to have a really established competitive base. Couple that with horrific Western communities, events, and marketing and that well dried up fast. DoA also does not really do a lot to meaningfully establish an identity in the minds of casual players.

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what is the brush for CSP

God, I wish that was me.

She puts the "ai" in "waifu".

No it's because Mr. Wizard wants more advertiser money. And those advertisers don't want eechi during an event that has their ad running. Same reason why SFV got censored, or why Cammy and Mika players were using alt costumes EVO '17. Also KT isn't giving Mr.Wizard any money to show DoA6, so fuck it we'll do BBTag instead cause them niggas are paying. And on top of that DoA6 is not likely to get a lot of viewers so even less money. EVO and Mr.Wizard by extension are all about the money and everyone wants a piece of that ad money these days. And advertisers don't want to see pic related

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Advertisers are mad gay.

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no Honk
no Marie
more Brad

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>DoA also does not really do a lot to meaningfully establish an identity in the minds of casual players.
In that case, what is the identity that sticks in the minds of casuals for Tekken? De facto 3D fighter?

Go back to basics

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LIMB
BASED
COMBAT

My fucking mom likes DOA because its "the bouncy tits and you can see the girls underwear game". They literally threw away the mom being amused by goofy shit market. Like, okay, maybe that market consists of 1 person, but that'll add up over time. Nevermind all the other people they've let down.

Based and Bradpilled.

>DoA also does not really do a lot to meaningfully establish an identity in the minds of casual players
yeah this is a huge part of it too, most people who don't view it as a hentai game barely even know it's a fighting game. Hell the game is free to play and impossible to turn anyone onto it. Kind of unfortunate considering the mechanics have always been sound imo but the game is so unappealing and soulless at a glance when Tekken exists

bigger tits, remove marie rose

See
Also that stupid picture is all I have that is thread relevant. I like Leon

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DOA2U was the best version of any of the games. It was loaded with a fuckton of new and old stages, costumes, characters and game modes.

Just do that. Shit, TN can stick to their shitty agenda if they want. If they gave me back Tag Team Survivor and my boy Ein, I'd be playing it right now instead of talking about it.

Also bring back those lobbies.

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Nostalgia honestly, people remember mashing it out as Lee or Paul and having fun. I had an older roommate who bought T7 on a whim cause I mentioned it and it took him back to the good ol days. DoA just doesn't seem to invoke those same feelings.

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Play on steam. 20M was like top 250 in the last event.

Unironically limb based combat
Crazy combos
Crazy characters such as various animals, robots, Yoshimitsu, and Kings.

Tekken also does a lot to make itself visually distinct, as does Soulcalibur. Both games have very strong styles that are unique to them.

She deserved a better design. The moveset is kind of fun. She looks like low budget gacha trash

I'm casual as fuck and have never been able to get into Tekken. Out of every fighting game series I've played, DOA feels the most fluid easy to get into. VF is fun. F/GG/etc. are fun enough. Tekkens controls and 'feel' are just baffling to me.

Forgot to mention Tekkens are style/character design being offputting as all hell.

Tamaki is better

I like honkers

Tekken gets closer to complete madness with every installment.

What with this being set in the NG universe, why not include a few more youkai or spiritual beings? Tengu/Nyotengu being the only ones seems like a waste of a concept. Hell, why not also include androids/gynoids to the mix?

I would love it if these threads actually had them fighting in these outfits.

Bigger tits, add a tons of breast envy to Marie Rose and NiCO

>spent 85 k and 48 tickets on Lunas first rate up
>0 ssrs
>tried again today with 40 k and 25 tickets
> 0 ssrs
Hold me bros

I legitimately don't understand how the stupid scarabs are obtained in the current Steam event, and if they're supposed to be complete chance then how you're supposed to give more than 10 to everyone for a damn accessory.

You have to play one of the 'Final' matches to earn them, I believe. I've already given the 10 to about 5 of my girls. Second 'treasure' you just take a photo of the girl at the new clifftop location, and third is you fully awaken the SR suits and win a match with each girl wearing it.

Based.

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It's been answered

everyone leave

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Can it be any final? There's some blurb in the event description saying drops are more likely the higher the rank, but I couldn't get any SSR and I'm stuck with the crap gym clothes that can barely auto A matches, let alone the final. Is the B final my best bet?

okay guys hate me but here is how you save this series / game kt listen closely
1. more tits
2. more costumres easy now the hard part
3. give actual characters to the fighters
4. make a better story mode that does not revolve around dead or alive tourney
5. give me a believable reason Marie can go toe to toe with Ryu fucking hayabusa
6. more ninjas
7. just like 6 where is momiji
8. more ninja girls
9. senran kagura costumes
10. change phase 4 to alpha kasumi or fake kasumi, phase gay sounds lame
11. bring back tag battle
12. momiji
13. either remove the zack or put him on the top row away from kasumi, it looks really weird
14. add everything back from doa5 then only then ill purchase the full game

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Actually a good idea.
Bring back tag and all the extra modes as well as a large number of unlocks. I'll even take old costumes being redone in a new engine.
Drop the cinematic story where only a few people get attention and let everyone get their own time, like in old arcade fighters.
Refine their graphics as much as they can to somehow end up impressing people again, like they did with 3. Even 6 had some small but good improvements, like better textures (leather) and shaders (metal). They could squeeze in more detail wherever they can to show these off more as well. One good example was Kasumi's deluxe outfit. It still retained her ninja look while being impressively detailed. Imagine if that was her default, just to show off their technology, instead of the bodysuit.
They could give better physics to more pieces of clothing, like avoiding the umbrella-like effect like in
Also just make the hair more dynamic in general.

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thx bro
15. we need tanning customization

>blows
:^)

>5. give me a believable reason Marie can go toe to toe with Ryu fucking hayabusa
This doesn't matter. Just play to their strengths. Keep Marie lighthearted as well as her story. She doesn't need to be in the middle of a DOATEC secret base, looking for ways to stop their latest scheme.

did anyone ever actually play this as a competitive fighter? for as long as I can remember it's just been that one game with all the slut waifus. I've never met anyone who owns a single DOA game, never heard of a DOA tournament, never heard of a DOA pro. who actually gives a shit about this series beyond fapbait?

Plus it's not very good

>did anyone ever actually play this as a competitive fighter?
Yes.

I first got into DoA with Dimensions and it remains my most played 3DS game to date. I won't say I'm hardcore into the series but I do like it as a fighter.

>never heard of a DOA tournament, never heard of a DOA pro.
6 had tournament play for a couple events right after it came out, as for pros the play it the only notable one is Sonic Fox
The actual fighting game parts of it dont have a lot of depth and its mostly baiting people into trying to hold

Yes there are DoA tournaments at most FGC events, they just aren't main stage. NLBC for example runs DoA. And while people do make some money playing DoA, I don't think they get sponsored and such so I guess there actually might not be any "pro" DoA players.

For a series set in some magical ninja world it barely takes advantage of it sadly. I'd say between 2 and 3 it was going in that direction more but went full on with the clone thing in 4 and 5. Now it's just a bunch of lolis and Nyotengu. If anything I would even take Kanna over someone like Marie if they wanted a token loli fighter

yeah fine but, i wish the story mode would have been longer, it really needed more scenes of the characters interacting with each other.

Less tits and more focus in gameplay and competitive

G R O U N D

G A M E

>less tits

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they cant do that unfortunately with out insane damage control again
"we want less sexy and cooler costumes"
want more ninja gaiden stuff as well the but the fan base would have a heart attack

>less tits
super gay
gameplay is at it's peak brotha
i'd say add better maps and destructive enviroments

There have been tournaments since 4, at least mainstream ones. They got a big push with Microsoft backing them and being part of the MLG scene.
5 was mostly done by fans, with the biggest annual DOA tournament being somewhere in America. KT has even done announcements there.
6 currently has it's own pro tour, though it's obviously smaller in scale compared to the other ones. Less events and money involved but still more than 5, which had nothing official.

been playing since i was like what 9 on the playstation 1
its a fun fighting game

Scarlet worth picking up?

That could be a start. Include Kanna or another oni relative of hers (male or female, just make them appealing) as a straightforward fighter function. Make a kitsune fighter who could represent the "setplay" function and a tanuki fighter who can be a sumo function similar to E.Honda.

I got Luna's costume last time and got her new one today on just 25k spent.

I'm sorry man.

Grapplings are gay.

this
more ninjas
more ninja music
ninja gaiden universe
nioh universe
why is kt retarded

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nah

it's for incels and basketball americans now, itagaki was the only hope

If you think this is worth it.

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Itagaki is a hack and a retard, the games got better after he left

>Itagaki is a hack and a retard
*blocks your path*

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>t. never played ninja gaiden
invest in rope

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Not enough core values. Gore is ok, but sexy women is a no no

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*continues walking*

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Got her with a handful of tickets and 30k stones on her first event. Spilled all my stones on last week's event for nothing, and now today got sucked dry again of all the tickets and all the four 10-rolls I could make with what little petty change I could hoard up since I like both Hitomi and love Luna and got neither of them.
That's how it is on this bitch of an earth.

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Switch port when?

Why is Luna so ugly?

yes
remove the gacha and take aspects of it and put it in the main series

Turn it into a brothel management game.

>implying that's not basically vv

Call my bunny wife ugly one more time and see what happens.

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With that five days of free 10-rolls thing this week I got three SSRs, karma is going to squash me like a bitch for that one when I suit I really want comes up

>alienating the fanbase who kept your series alive through multiple console generations
>pandering to an audience who never wanted anything to do with your game to begin with in the half-hearted pursuit of "legitimacy"
Basically burning a bridge while standing on it.

Luna is hideous.

I'm calling you gay in a flat, deadpan voice right now

its almost identical to 5 in how it was handled

its still getting updated

Make Ayane and Honoka the main protagonists and banish Marie Rose and Nico to the Shadow Realm.

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Honoka should be banished, too.

Extremely cursed opinions

Little girls in panties
Add cameltoes
Sex
Watersports
VR creampies
Chikan

This user gets it. I would like the onigirl to show up tho

I honestly wonder if there is a hidden "pressure" meter that builds up on an account the longer it goes without getting an SSR. Last week was a mess for me, I got Kokoro's venus suit from 10 silver tickets, Marie's event suit along with Misaki's venus suit on the second roll, and then Nyo's venus suit while I was trying to get Honoka's (which didn't happen) all in the same day. Haven't gotten a thing since, which after Nyo's suit amounts to like 95k stones and 30-something tickets including the ones I used today.
It's like the game knows you're having a good time and goes "you're gonna have bad luck for the next seven years" as a result.

>Chikan
>molesting girls who can beat professional fighters and shoot lasers from their hands
I think that's a bad idea.

I want to kiss and then continously impregnate Luna

gamblers fallacy

More like Devil’s turd.

So is rape but yet I rape
All doa girls need their cunnies molested

yikes

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>knowing everyone hates it
Who exactly is everyone?
I just want them to go back to the old days when a shit ton of unique costumes were actually unlockable through playing fun modes like Tag and Survival.

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I'm on my way to your basement to kick your jaw down your throat.

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It's part gamblers fallacy but he's also not wrong, these types of games definitely have things like mercy rules, variable odds and things generally structured to manipulate you into wanting to go full slots machine on them

More bunny webms.

and yet you'll continue to "play" it and blog about it

Personally, I want Honoka to take a fat shit on my chest

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why tho

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I despised her at first but I've warmed to her little bit. Ayane's tsundere and Honoka's genki would mix well together. Raidou needed to breed more his genetics are immpeccable.

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I agree to some extent, but the fallacy is more appropriate to real world applications where odds aren't determined by a global seed or some shit. Videogames are different, specially gachas, because a big majority do have pity drops and measures to not fuck over players so badly for extended periods of time to the point of quitting. This can of course be purposely programmed, which defeats the purpose of the fallacy.
Now, I'm not saying Benis Vacation is one such game, all we know for sure is about the bulk roll guarantee of an SR or better. Pity measures could perfectly well be coded in and are a secret to everyone so far, although that can't be known for sure either considering how jewish TK is. It could all be flat odds all the time for all we know.

bigger tits
tasteful areola slippage
distasteful pubic hairs poking out

My bunny wife is the cutest.

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Delete honoka and marie rose, have ryu actually do something other than hide in a corner to ogle kasumi

So, basically what every other developer is doing right now?

Well obviously some do since it sells to an extent but I've never met a single person who likes DOA as a fighter, not even saying it's bad but following 6 it was nothing but negativity. Hell most people forgot the game even released this year. I personally think team ninja or whoever should stop trying to cater to so many people and drop a focused game for once. I'm not big into the series but I think DOA2U for Xbox was the best example of that

>Delete honoka and marie rose
Delete fap materials and push a whocare dude in light.
>Howto destroy DoA.

DoA need his own illusion game.

Impeccable taste, user.

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>current banner is T O W E L S
fuckign dead week

I'm F2P on DOA but I've paid money on F2P games in the past.

I don't care personally. I'm aware of what they do and only use disposable income if anything. I'm not some fake outrage shithead making Youtube videos about it.

why write the s last I get it's funny beetle writing haha but it's not funny anymore thinking about it logically