Everyone says vanilla leveling was the best experience

Look, I loved EQ, but he is going to hate leveling in that game if WoW drives him crazy.

>Everquest
>enjoyable leveling.
>'hell levels'
*shudder* The community is 5-star, though. Always has been. Still is. WoW's community has been shit since about November 2004.

Everquest took about 20x longer to level than WoW (possibly more) and every 5 levels were called "hell levels" which took twice as much EXP to pass, and if you died, it took away twice as much EXP (you lost EXP when you died in EQ. About 1/5th levels worth, which could equate to as much as 2 weeks of work at higher levels if you didn't get a rez (which restored *most* EXP that you lost).

Once you reach maxed level, experience went into Alternative Advancement which gives you unique perks, such as extending the duration of your buffs or increasing your run speed. You could spend your AA points as you wished, and nothing was gated. It wasn't a tree. You just picked whatever sounded appealing.

Note: This knowledge is based on 1999-2003 EQ and may have changed since then.

Exp gain was much slower and quests were really almost a flavor thing. Leveling was basically killing things. Also, lost exp dying.

However, the result led to a sense of danger and excitement going somewhere totally new. Also, the danger from dying, and the hugher difficulty, pushed grouping and community more, that's something wow lacks.

Also, the dungeons are huge and fun.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Classic Wow. The play style is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the nuances in rotations will go over a typical players head. There's also your class trainers nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into their characterisation - their personal philosophy draws heavily from panderan literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Classic Wow truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in the murlocs existential catchphrase "Mrglrlrlrlrllr" which itself is a cryptic reference to Illidan's epic War of the Ancients. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Classic Wows genius unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a Classic Wow tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own.

p.s. this community is so good, FREE LINEN BAGS (with your mats of course)

p.p.s. when I die please play the Grizzly Hills music at my funeral

You zoomies are fucking dumb.

Thank you for the explanations

You reek of virginity; fucking go outside right now.

yikes bro...

Any sensible person not suffering from delusions and nostalgia would agree with most, if not all of this.

don't worry about it bro just aoe grind dungeons for 100 hours WE'RE HOME hope you didn't plan on ever running dungeons normally

>you only think you like this game, all these subscribers are fooling themselves!

Classic bros live rent free huh? Go back to retail tranny, it's just pathetic at this post

I still prefer it to Retail where you're an immortal murder hobo that kills everything in two hits. At that point the game plays itself and you're just along for the ride.

I think I would enjoy a BC server more then a classic server
the talent rework was really nice and I think it would have had a bit more incentive for people who wanted "more" from classic but still didnt want changes
not that it really matters, the Blizzards long term goals for Classic are a mystery as far as I know
and I do not doubt for a second that they are going to fuck up in a few months/year, they literally cannot help but destroy things so I just want to enjoy the good times while they last

>Join social leveling guild
>people start talking about raiding
>Someone in gchat points out that if you are a shaman priest or druid you are going to be a healer
>bunch of drama and someone gquit just happened over this

How many thousands of retards playing hybrids rushing to 60 and not know their spec isn't viable to raid with?

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Every spec is viable, but not every playstyle is.

>isn't viable
stop this meme. vanilla raids are easy as fuck, you can enter it with anything as long as you fill out the roles. even if they're subpar at healing like druids they bring really good utility to compensate.

>take quest
>kill x mobs/gather x materials
>complete quest
>rinse and repeat until you outlevel zone
>go to another zone
>take quest
>kill x mob/ gather x materials
Amazing, simply amazing

They should have been warned at the character creation screen. Warrior, Mage, Rogue, Priest, Warlock, or put on that dress sweet cheeks you're on heal duty.

druids are not subpar healers tho, they are not viable tanks or boomkin dps

You must be kidding me
WoW was the first game to innovate quest-based leveling

>MC is easy so that means i can force everyone to cater to my shitty spec and slow clears down dramatically for no reason other than to be a special snowflake
Hope you're actual friends with your GM/RL or you are guaranteed on the bench.

what should i be doing with my copper ore? i have 2 and a half stacks but im not sure what to do with them

No it was always shit

Imagine being this much of a fag that you want to force everyone to roll warrior because anything else is slowing down the raid.

Group grinding on a have built around it is fun

>you can enter it with anything

Except that wouldn't be allowed by any raiding guild that intends to see anything past ZG/MC/Ony

The only thing my hunter is healing is his pet, dipshit.

This. Faggots were only social on launch weekend, now if you want to even dungeon with randoms they're not gonna let you join their group unless they already know you. It's like Highschool where everyone is friendly until they graduate from their starting area, then everyone fucks off and doesn't wanna interact at all.

>falling for obvious copy pasta
The absolute state of Yea Forums

huntards are the kid in the corner of the room eating glue of classic WoW. they aren't wanted in raids for anything but tranq shotting the odd boss. you'll spend endgame ganking people in level 20 zones before someone with gear comes along and camps you.

The retards rushing to 60 not knowing that they're going to be healers, aren't going to make it past 30 before quitting

The leveling was always shit. Nostalgia faggots are just so starved for a decent MMO right now that even this piece of shit looks good.

>he thinks you can just enter a zone and gain 10 levels in that zone before leaving it

Confirmed never played vanilla, you can't do that shit unless you spend hours and hours and hours grinding mobs instead of quests

based pasta

>camping a hunter in Classic

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one thing that I've learned while playing an mmo was that video games are a fucking waste of time.

What the hell are you talking about, im constantly getting group invites for quests and there is always people in general chat asking for more people to do dungeons

>all the way up until classic is released
>Yea Forums - we going hoem boys ;)
>classic released
>boo hoo classic bad muh nostalgia
eat shit

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OH NO NO NO NO BLIZZDRONES HAHAAHAHAHHAAAA

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DAOC leveling was absolute anus unless you could keep a decent group, which was not easy even on big servers.

WOW was probably worse though just because it took even longer.

>people talking out of their ass - the thread

people talking out of their ass - the website*

I missed the chance to play back when wow first dropped, I've always regretted hitting that bit of gaming pop culture...I'm a faggot I know. Now that I'm playing it is nothing more then a series of lame fetch-quests. I want to grit it out to 60, bit after that this game can blow a goat

BC was the pinnacle of world of warcraft. It was just vanilla refined

>tfw subbed classic 1 month just to re-confirm my dislike for anything WoW
>looking more forward to AAU later this month
We're going sailing, bros...

yeah its totally overblown about how 'good' it is.

Its the same shit youve seen in retail except you have to group up for a good chunk of the quests fostering social interaction.

retail is absolute dogshit and doesnt even compare to classic
that being said its really not that good. The worst part is how easy it is
its like everyone got Mandella'd into believing it was something different

MMOs were generally even more horrible than they are now. People complain about balance and grinds and all sorts of other stuff, but they don't realize how much better things are now. WOW improved the genre in a ton of ways, but also ultimately killed it and bottlenecked it. Games like DAOC there were some classes that were utterly fucking useless. Sorry, you chose wrong! No groups or raids for you! Good luck on your reroll... see you in 3 months! Everquest? Enjoy sitting in front of your screen for 12 hours to maybe catch a spawn to do a part of a multi-part shit quest that requires 20 other people to do and will be made obsolete in the next xpac. Oh and your 1,000+ hour playtime to even arrive at that point. UO, want a house? That'll be 60,000,000 gold and fuck you if you try to PvP. You're going to have to not die...ever...because if you do, you either stay a ghost for the next month or rez and lose a month+ of skilling up. Grinds were horrible, end games were horrible, balance was horrible. WOW was horrible initially, but better than the alternatives and moved on a solid trajectory of allowing their player base to have a life outside of the game world. The appeal of a return to Vanilla baffled me.

Anyone who says vanilla leveling is bad is not playing with people, the core reason you play an MMO. No class is complete without playing in a party, where the combination of class roles and abilities comes to light and actually makes the game challenging and fun.

tldr version anyone who says vanilla leveling is bad is a no friends, anti social loser

there was also all the drama about nost and other private servers

>>wow develops and continues to be pretty much the same
Stopped reading.

You never played WoW, or never played after Wrath.

>>wow develops and continues to be pretty much the same, albeit with the grind turned down (although semi-recent changes made retail leveling the same as vanilla anyway)
Haha, what a shitpost. Here's a charity (you)

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>playing in a party makes it challenging
No? It removes the challenge and amplifies drop rate frustration, amplified even more when one person is done and the other needs to kill 20 monsters for 1 fucking item. And then the monster doesn't even respawn very frequently anyway.

op you need to git gud

WoW would be so much better if you started at level 15 or something, That way you could actually start with enough abilities to not be bored out of your mind and you could run some dungeons pretty soon. As it stands now, any time you want to start a new character, you are going to spend several hours in a horribly boring early level process that feels like a tutorial.

its because all the people who arent virgins are playing classic instead of making mad posts about classic on here

oh shit oh fuck someone else is having fun better sperg

Confirmed for literally never playing in groups no life loser.

The moment you party up you pull more, as well as do higher level content and challenge yourself.

You think that the way you play, grinding one mob at a time, is how groups play, and it isnt true. You should make some friends and actually play an MMO rather than pretend this is Diablo.

That may work for MC and Ony, but once AQ40, BWL and Nax roll out everything you said falls into water

don't make alts

I literally constantly play in a party of 3 to 4 friends. Lol.

kek no, you dont, because you made this post proving it I doubt you've even played Classic and your first time was 100% with Wrath.

If you want to make a game require grouping you better make damn sure every class has a place, otherwise you run into complete clusterfucks and headaches of people being the "wrong" class. Throw in lengthy grinds, high respec costs or whatever else and you have a total nightmare of a game on your hands. A reasonable grind alleviates the need for perfect balance because you can just switch. No one wants to pick a class, level it up, and then play a wheelchair simulator as people who can "walk" have to basically extend you charity to participate because your class is suboptimal shit. You kill your game like that because most reasonable people just simply quit and you run into the playerbase replenishment issue.

>retards keep spamming invites for grind item quests
I want to backhand every faggot that does this

>leveling in vanilla is soooo hard
meanwhile this retard is already level 60

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>he thinks vanilla leveling is hard
>comparing it to mid 2000s f2p cash shop games
You've never played a pay2grind game in your life, korean grindcore is much worse. You're a fucking amateur OP. Come back when you've wasted 6 months of your life doing a soulless f2p optimized grind and realize you're not even halfway done.

what the fuck bros

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this game just isn't for you play normal wow

>make damn sure every class has a place, otherwise you run into complete clusterfucks and headaches of people being the "wrong" class
You have literally no idea what you're talking about and belong in retail not classic

why do undead have such big tits

>thread is about people spreading misinformation
>proceeds to tell people the tank with the most raid utility and objectively the best at off-tanking isnt a viable tank

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you are imagining things

if your an absolute moron that doesn't know where to go

im new to the game but i have friends helping me so i think i should be fine but is there a good leveling guide for hunters anybody knows of?

the difficulty is the preparation or lack thereof

Right now, people who get into raiding are interested in farming best in slots and come with potions etc.

The general population later on will not be ontop of things and the difficulty of raids will 'increase'.

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people are basically hoping the shitters quit out of frustration
Classic is a good trash filter.

Well stated. I gave up wow years ago and never came back. Glad I stayed away.

Leveling was fucking terrible back when WoW was new. It's tedious.

>Flying mounts
>Heroic modes insteaed of endgame dungeons
>Arenas
>PVP gear
>Resillence
>60% of vanilla content instantly irrelevant

No thank you

>peak times
Gee, it's like people work and stuff. Even the babies had to go back to school.

Download questie and/or azeroth auto pilot

>azeroth auto pilot
i have questie ill check this one out too

>Tfw Mage is so casual that I can play it with a Steam Controller

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>mfw people using addons basically hacks for questing are lagging behind all the players who use nothing
I have no face. Filthy casual shitters are real.

back in my day we looked it up on thottbot

This game has made me realized I dislike the basic concept of RPGs and "progression" now. What it means is that you'll be spending a ton of time early on with really boring, basic gameplay just to have the chance to actually have fun later. I'm over it, I'd rather play games where most of your abilities and stuff is just there up front and the enjoyment comes from the level design.

i use a samsung covoy

>>>/retail/

Hunter leveling is pretty comfy. Have a cat from teldrassil, he’s great, but I can’t wait to get me one of the shimmering flats turtles.

Do I need an Addon to abuse Aimed shot + multi shot?

The salt in this thread is unfuckingbelievable. Since when did all the /vg/ shitters move over here?

People really seem to fucking hate this game yet never stop talking about it?

What a fucking joke

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im more upset by the dungeons. So far I have been rushing them just as you do in retail which is a turn off for me. Minor difference being occasional mana breaks
they are so braindead you dont even need a tank
How come back in 2006-7 we had to sheep mobs and avoid patrols, slowly burn through packs and sometimes die to bosses. It really feels hard to believe "we are just that much better at the game"

Yea Forums has a lot of anti-meritocracy literal faggots infesting it

What retard designed this calculator? I have done that hours and I'm already a level 40 hunter.

Progression is just another word for tutorial and for many mouthbreathers it is required.

No one is taking a feral druid to tank in vanilla my dude.

one of the first rag kills had a feral main tank. server name faerlina pvp

like any actually good game, most of the people who enjoy it are actually playing, and all you have left are phoneposters against the endless sea of shitposting

yes they are
ragnaros has been killed by lvl 55s. Minmaxing is over in classic

It's great if you don't have ADHD

>Alliance has a 5 man gank squad outside of Tarren Mill
>all in their 40s
>lose to a rage tag group of 25-30s

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>Horde is better at pvp
Yes, retard, vanilla wow is back.

The people excited by this still watch replays of Zalgradis and Laintime. Major nostalgia goggles going on here.

>mounted Horde gankfags have been consistently thrown out by 20-25s in groups of 4-5 in duskwood
>just today a group of corpse campers got stomped out of red ridge over and over until they logged
I wonder what it feels like to hit level 40, get some gear and realize that you're shit at the game AND rolled the wrong faction

Bet you think capeshit is high art be side it's popular don't you, you spastic faggot?