WHY ARE SO MANY VIDEOGAMES POLITICAL?

Based and truthpilled.
One of my favorite games, Monster Girl Quest, is some nudity-ridden shit but it has a kickass plot precisely because of the in-universe politics between the humans and the monsters. Seeing them both come together in the climax of the 3rd part is fucking kino.

The (((socialist))) long march through the institutions will not be interrupted.

Everything- games, movies, TV, even book publishing- has grown exponentially more divisive in the last handful of years because Chinese military intelligence has infiltrated or bribed their way into all of America's academic, media, and tech institutions and are inciting a new civil war in the United States- both to destroy its hold on the global market, and to draw its military away from key regional allies like South Korea/Japan/Taiwan.

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Name 5

>b-but /pol/
5
MORE
YEARS

/pol/ doesn't even like trump anymore

They aren't, you're just brainwashed by far right wing wacko propaganda. Female MCs and killing Nazis in WW2 aren't politics unless you're a fuckin nutcase

postmodernist culture and social politics have really taken off, now that most major issues in the western world are """fixed""". problems have to be found elsewhere, low-effort or not.

also, as a kid, your moral value chart was very simple. "i see, this guy has evil eyebrows, a gun and he kidnapped the princess. he must be evil, and his minions do evil just because they do." as you grow up, you start to realize theres a loooooot of greyscale instead of black and white.

I fucked the shark, i thought she was cut at first, but the whole ordeal made me uncomfortable

/thread

featuring in-universe politics and political themes is not the same as "being political"

>Female MCs and killing Nazis in WW2 aren't politics unless you're a fuckin nutcase
Good thing no one mentioned either of those, then?

shoving niggers and trannies and preach about how cool communism is =/= politics are part context of the game's narrative

The Grudge but ginger and floor length

They did. See

It's because you used to be the kind of retard who is unable to grasp anything beyond the most shallow surface level understanding of a text

But then someone introduced you to a cargo cult version of critical theory and taught you to be triggered by blacks and gays in video games

I think I prefer the first type of retard, frankly

You're only partially right. They've always been political, but ther'es two big differences. First is that the industry is big enough that you can make a living being a politcal asshole. There was no equivalent of sarkeesian or Jack thompson in the 80s.

Second is that people are much more politically extreme now than they used to. Having a strong political POV is one thing. The complete insanity we have now is very different.

Well, not really. Leftist subversion tactics are real and the influx of side-shaved dykes killing old white men is most certainly intentional. But there's nothing wrong with female characters in a vacuum.

Because everything is sexist , everything is racist , everything is homophobic and you have to point it all out

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Reminder that Anita Sarkeesian was explicitly advocating against that.

Because developers despise you self absorbed faggots and want to alienate you. I'm so happy that mentally ill incels cant enjoy anything. I hope turning into a brainwashed bootlicking loon was worth it :)

how come japs are so hamfisted but at the same time far less annoying than westeners when it comes to politics?

>hurr durr games always political metal gear durrrr

Metal Gear wasn't obnoxious as fuck

>Leftist subversion tactics are real
Hypothetically, though, how would you tell the difference between "leftist subversion tactics" and whatever alternative explanation you can think of, just to show you're not delusional?

Because you dont understand Japanese politics so it flies over your head

this is true. using Yea Forums too long and not having contact with the real world and its issues is the same as watching fox news 24/7 and only talking to two people who think the same as you. its a one-track way of thinking that sharpens paranoia until its pretty much the same as suffering from early stages of schizophrenia.

POP QUIZ: how many people here have
>read more than one news publication from more than one source
> read an ideological book or just a novel
> talked to people from other ideological views earnestly
>talked to what you view as "the other" (aka trannies, jannies, jews, sjws or whatever gobbledygook)
?
the talking should have preferably happened irl.

This.

Because you aren't Japanese so the Japanese political undertones are completely missed by you (or removed with the translation)

None of these games are political. They have political content, they discuss politics in passing, but they are not political. Any political themes are curtain dressing to the actually content which is just shooting dudes, rara nationalism, and hero's journey. It's like saying Bioshock is about objectivism.

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Any game with some form of worldbuilding is political. America(California) has a hard on for diversity/inclusiveness right now; is that what you mean?

Hime cut and meganekko are the best ones.

Bioshock is about Objectivism. It's not even subtle. The whole plot revolves around it. You are making a distinction that does not exist. Anything with political content has political implications. I really don't see how you can let it slide when a game is literally just a playable indictment of objectivism in a cool setting but not when a game has a rainbow flag.

See Nothing is a coincidence. Games like Control and Gears 5 are intended to give the finger to masculinity even if the story is not in itself "about" it.

But how can you tell? You're not proving anything, you're just repeating your assertions.

>are intended to give the finger to masculinity

Because you play as a woman?

Games like Metal Gear, are heavily political because that's how they're made. Learning about how the government controls information is important because the games are themed around it. YOU are the guy tasked with taking down a world-destroying mech, YOU are responsible for sifting through conspiracy after conspiracy, YOU are the one who (at least tries) to make change happen, so it feels a lot more personal.
Games like A Hat In Time, games that are mostly supposed to be fun romps through a colorful world with zany characters, are only hurt when the developers decide to shove in a trendy political message. What would that game be missing if the gafritti trans flag was never put in? Meanwhile, what would Metal Gear be missing if you took out all the politics and it was simply a game about being a secret sneaky man?
Basically this There's a difference between the politics of whether or not it's okay to massacre thousands of people to ensure the rest are safe, and the politics of whether or not cutting off your own genitals should be a human right.

>There's a difference between the politics of whether or not it's okay to massacre thousands of people to ensure the rest are safe, and the politics of whether or not cutting off your own genitals should be a human right.
Because you agree with the one and not the other?

Please tell me what running around shooting mutants in an underwater city has to do with objectivism. Just because Andrew Ryan is an objectivist, and you listen to some odd audio logs, doesn't mean the game is about objectivism. Was Bioshock Infinite about xenophobia and religious zealotry? Was it about quantum theory? No. It wasn't.

>game has a rainbow flag

If you inject a rainbow flag into a game because you find the colors pretty, because you're telling a story about fags, because you thing gay people are cool, you're making an artistic statement. If you insert a rainbow flag because 'you stand with fags' you're making a political statement. That isn't art, it's propaganda.

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>it's propaganda.

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>Please tell me what running around shooting mutants in an underwater city has to do with objectivism.
The game tells you. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow etc.

Fucking hell I bet you never passed an English class in your life.

Also please explain to me, in detail, the distinction between thinking gay people are cool and "standing with fags".

i think the inclusivity activists havent come to terms yet that what they're discussing is not "how to include every diversity". rather, the topic is "who should be included, and who are left behind?"

if the issue is inclusivity, just literally include a representative from every status. however, social justice pretty much being a populist stance requires for it to have the figure of "the jew". not literally a jewish person, but an ideological enemy, an "other", who justifies the movement as a figurehead. these enemies are fascists/nazis/trump/libertarians/conservatives, who cannot be included, and have to be left behind from the palette of diversity.
this is what confuses the discussion of diversity often.

propaganda requires the suppression of opposing values.

if you say you stand for gays, it CAN be a political statement. most likely its just an opinion dude.

All I know is, letting a person get their dick cut off just because they want it gone isn't morally acceptable.

You're overthinking it, dude. Diversity necessarily means opposing people who oppose diversity. Not because you have to have a "Jew". But because they hate you and what you're trying to achieve.

A single audio log on ideaology does not make Bioshock about objectivism any more than an excerpt from The Man Who Was Thursday makes Deus Ex a game about Christian apologists.

>We made a game solely populated by women because they are underrepresented in the medium
Is a political statement. It's not an artistic choice, it is one driven by ideology.

>We made a game populated exclusively with hot women
This is an artistic choice that speaks to aesthetics, driven by a creativity.

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you literally said what i just said, but in less detail

>Also please explain to me, in detail, the distinction between thinking gay people are cool and "standing with fags".
Is the in-universe setting about fags vs. Is raising a banner for the people playing the game a.k.a. virtue signaling

We should only cut the dicks off people who want to keep them

what is that pic from?

>A single audio log on ideaology
Fffffuck you're dense
> It's not an artistic choice, it is one driven by ideology.
It is an artistic choice regardless of what motivates it.
>This is an artistic choice that speaks to aesthetics, driven by a creativity.
Oh, fuck off, it speaks to getting the teenage boy demographic driven by satisfactory yearly results for the stockholders, more like.

Because the detail is wrong and superfluous. Occam's razor and all that.

Everything in a game is by definition in-universe and yet also intended for the people playing it.

>Oh, fuck off, it speaks to getting the teenage boy demographic driven by satisfactory yearly results for the stockholders, more like.

BUT

>It is an artistic choice regardless of what motivates it.

Which is it fagtron? Are you sure you're not the one who failed English class because that's some serious cognitive dissonance right there.

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I'm thinking we should just stop with the whole "games are more than games" bullshit
Like sure, a game can be an experience for sure, but you don't need video games telling you it's okay to be gay or that it's alright if you like it up the butt.

>Lockheart Special
>Onee San
>Villain's Secretary
>Delicious Delinquent
>Hot Principal
>Hentai Milf
>Battle Braid
Holy shit this is all so good.

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can you give me your opinion on why mine is superfluous and unnecessary? honestly, i dont buy it. this is a very complicated issue, and if there was a simple answer, surely it would have been used to some extent by now.

not being snarky, just curious.

>Which is it fagtron?
An artistic choice, but sometimes a horrible one made for cynical reasons.
>Are you sure you're not the one who failed English class because that's some serious cognitive dissonance right there.
Those two things aren't even related but if there were any doubt, your posts are incidentally full of spelling errors too.

I'll take one action girl please

Maybe just play the games you like and let other people play the games they like

Back In the 80-90s it was virtually completely isolated socially and was it's own little micro world
Then the 00s happened and after 2005 social media broadband mobile and smart phones it all went to shit and got lumped in with the same standards as movies and tv

Such a shame those first 20 odd golden years where amazing sadly it will never come back

the US's flavor of "diversity" isn't equality; it's a correctional movement for groups who were historically treated like shit. (blacks, muslims, LGBTQ) Some believe it's getting out of control and getting into places it doesn't belong like vidya, especially genres that are non-political. I think that's what OP is getting at.

Proponents of diversity have actual concrete reasons for opposing opponents of diversity, that being that their ideologies are entirely incompatible. It doesn't say anything about populist movements needing scapegoats. They don't need an enemy to be justified. They just have one by accident. And I think it might be because the enemy needs a scapegoat.

So why are changes made to games to appeal to shareholders shallow and cynical but appeals to contemporary pop politics (rainbow flag) aren't?

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Go back to playing Undertale.

>A single audio log on ideaology does not make Bioshock about objectivism
>but a rainbow flag in a Spiderman game that nobody even comments on makes the entire game propaganda

Okay thanks, got it.

Only western AAA games.

>What does GK Chesterson have to do with Deus Ex?
>What does rainbow flag have to do with Spiderman?

Answer this questions for me.

yeah i also hate /pol/ and their identity politics bullshit

not the guy youre arguing with, but literally all art is ideological. personal ideology is the all-encompassing filter and value system through which any individual views the world around them. a piece of art is a representation, filtered through a semiotic system, made of something real which holds values entirely its own outside of an ideological view. it's a representation of a representation.

you could argue that artforms like hyperrealism get closer to having no ideology, but simply the choice of what to depict makes the piece ideological. this, plus the fact of a hyperrealistic work of art often being a status booster for the artist, which consciously signifies many things in itself.

Spiderman lives in New York, and the game is set in New York, where it's very likely you'll see a rainbow flag. It would be more "political" to decide not to include it because now you're denying reality because of something you don't like

Sometimes those are cynical too. But Yea Forums doesn't care about that anyway so it's moot.

Ideology doesn't not always mean political. There is a spectrum through which an artists form is shaped through ideology and on the far end of that spectrum is propaganda, where artistic decisions are made not by the artist but their ego. See: Revolution60

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>posting the same series of pictures with every post
starting to understand where the stand with fags thing comes from

>What does GK Chesterson have to do with Deus Ex?
It's a conspiracy novel. It ties into the themes of the game.

>Sometimes those are cynical too.

Hmm. Almost like it was made not for love of fags but because of pop political influence.

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So it's only politics when it's something you don't like, gotcha. You could just say that rather than making all these retarded posts.

They aren't, you morons just keep making them political by seeing anything even remotely related to women as an attack on your identity. Grow a pair snowflakes.

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proponents of X oppose Y and those who hold the values of Y, because that's how activism works. just the word "opposing" in "opposing ideologies" requires for there to be an enemy. something to stand against to keep the movement alive, because once it's conquered, there is no movement.

the enemy wasn't gotten by accident. this is just literally how populism and activism works.

(did you notice you justified the "enemy" having a scapegoat because they need enemy themselves, even though we're talking about the clash of two ideologies that are in the same battle?)

really nostialgic for back when games was just about apolitical eco-terrorists.

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I feel seen

Why not both?

Unrioniclally whites are creatively bankrupt or they cant make any games other than typical AAA games like shooter, open world, cinematic experience. All of them are very photo-realism leaning. All characters must be realistic and social there.

They are now making shift with politics. None of them learn anything cultural or methodical from foreign stuff like Japanese games. Being super western centric. They seem only interested in themselves and """"western values"""".

>You think politics is a pejorative!

I don't. Your argument is shit, sorry.

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retard

garfield is saying it, so it must be true

The push for diversity doesn't need a tangible enemy. It needs a problem: a perceived lack of diversity. No one needs to be blamed or punished for it. The counter-movement is reactionary, however. They exist to oppose the first movement. They put themselves in the role of the enemy by casting the former as their own enemies.

>rara nationalism isn’t political
LMAO

>far leftist beliefs being so popular
Yes, I get my political beliefs from youtube, how did you know

Every form of media is political whether by choice or simply by being part of a political reality. The way we perceive reality is affected, sometimes even determined, by both political actors and factors alike, along with socio-economic conjuncture.

Take Sonic and how it tries to appeal to a sense of rebeliousness and nonchalant attitude so characteristic of Gen X youth. Take Pokemon and how it equates social prestige and respect through material accumulation. Take Deus Ex, and looking beyond the game's own politics-based plot, observe how it draws most of its inspiration from an amalgamation of popular conspiracy theories that would air non-stop in Coast to Coast AM during the late 90s, equally fictionalized in shows like the X-Files.

In short, politics is the ultimate meme. It's loss.jpeg on steroids. and it has been running strong since time immemorial.

why

Stop avatarfagging you unfunny retard

That's cool how you confuse politics with pop psychology.

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that's cool how you are an avatarfagging shithead, and I even agree with you. Stop being a raging faggot.

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No.

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unironically this

politics is when a game you like has politics in it
pop psychology is when a game has a rainbow flag in it leading you to write essays on Yea Forums about propaganda and brainwashing

am I right?

Maybe you could explain it to me then, because that seems to be the gist of what you're saying so far

So is it worth mixing politics with games?

The dissident right is less represented in arts and entertainment.

As much as you criticize the use of politics in video games, it happens a lot in games but in a thorough way, there is always a hidden message in games about some social and ideological criticism.

in these criticisms it is always something claiming altruism or social indignation.

A very leftist thing.

It's easier to sell ideology affirming fodder than actually being entertaining, it's also way easier than making a game fun.
And this applies to ALL ideological viewpoints, for example: eSports pandering.

See

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i think you're thinking in the terms that diversity movements were started consciously with a specific ruleset in mind. "1. we shall have no enemies", etc.

i think this kind of activism is doomed to become populistic, no matter if it starts out with the intent or not. i mean, if you think about the problem of a perceived lack of diversity, it has to have a root cause. we arrive at oppressive social structures. who causes the oppression? rich white people (through the lens of social justice ideology). we naturally arrive at an enemy.

there are similar movements that are certainly not populist, such as charity organizations. they have no tangible enemy, because all you need is the plight. it's a much more moralistic approach. these orgs certainly could have become more populist, but they have chosen not to take stances.

what you're concluding at is that it's a natural process for activism to become populist, because as long as the cause is not completely brain-dead agreeable (or spun as one), an enemy will emerge as a reaction.

can you give me examples of social justice movements without the basic function of the "other" as a key figure?

A game you don't like full of female characters = politics / not art
A game you like full of female characters = not politics / art

Okay I get it now

Enough with the chit chat lets get some grub goin

where are all the black transhuman dwarf midget lesbyaans

>Is a political statement. It's not an artistic choice, it is one driven by ideology
Being a political statement and being an artistic choice are not mutually exclusive

I FUCKING LOVE DRILLS

For the same reasons letting someone cut off their legs just because they want them gone wouldn't be morally acceptable.

Finally you are starting to see the truth

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Ongoing Marxist infiltration into areas that can influence and mold society to their liking.

Not one single game on this list is political. Calling any of these games political is like saying Bioshock was political. It wasn't. The PS4 Spiderman game WAS political though. To the point of being propaganda. Why? Because you can find a rainbow flag in it.

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I'll take one childhood friend.

Video game is inherently political.

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>Chinese
You mean Russian?

because Faggots, Trannies and Pedophiles (encouraged by Jewish run Hollywood) need to make everything political so that people are forced to accept their mental illness.

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You're just jealous your mental illness isn't accepted.

>society accepting mental illness regardless of what it is
Why would you actually want that?

I wouldn't want your illness to be accepted, actually.

they arent, the definition of "political" has been broadened to mean literally fucking anything

>YOUR ILLNESS!
>potentially implying if you don't accept pedo's and fags you are menially ill
disregarding those implications.
>I wouldn't want your illness to be accepted?
because I'm not a dysgenic retard.

talking about politics is much easier than creating/developing your own art. amerimutts have simply become too lazy.

look at those garbage modern cartoons. they are like 10 yo drawings.

>It's like saying Bioshock is about objectivism.
The game literally has a fucking statue of Atlas shrugging in the beginning
The game's initial antagonist is LITERALLY FUCKING NAMED ANDREW RYAN

avatar use is against the rules

LOooL. Its an SJW using the NPC meme. Those films you're talking about are commentaries on political systems, not pandering to some oppressed minorities or some bullshit.

You just proved that picture right you retard.

It is if it's allegorical

I mean allusionary

>say something that isn't racist
>FUCKING SJW LEFTY
>do something that isn't flagellation over being a sinful white man while throwing my guns in an incinerator
>FUCKING ALT-RIGHT NAZI
I'm so tired of it all

Fine then, my dislike of politics in games is because it's full of pandering. Not because I dislike the political systems presented in it, but that it caters to obnoxious idiots and SJWs and presents that as valid politics. Its not talking about political ideologies or systems, but presenting pandering to score points. As an ancap, I'd rather play as a commie than a fat pink haired tranny with an unhealthy lifestyle, simply because I don't like that.

I literally can't
Thanks anime

>i love talking about politics!

>Robocop
>OK Computer
>Black Flag
>OY VEY HOW DARE YOUTH CULTURE WHO WHERE INDOCTRINATED WITH LEFTIST PROPAGANDA GET SICK OF LEFTIST PROPAGANDA WHEN IT STARTS PUSHING DRAG QUEENS, FAGS AND PEDOPHILIA!
hhhmmmm you make a great point!

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?

Honestly I don't mind if games are political, but it should be implemented in a way that wouldn't end up dating the game several years after it's release, like the Obama 08' billboards in Burnout.

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HIME CUT
BEST CUT

Because OP, it's the best tactic ever to BTFO developers.

>be Publisher
>buy dumbshit Developer cheap with a contract that benefits them (temporarily hue hue hue)
>Developer must meet financial and other demands to retain legal autonomy to the extent "gifted" to them
>force Developer to act woke and constantly apologize to woke crowds who are known to never take apologies
>Developer proceeds to incur losses and fail the contract conditions, poor results lose them their legal autonomy
>Developer can't whine and doesn't have legal weight now, so you can freely fuck them in the ass now
>you now have the Developer's IPs in the pocket cheap AND didn't lose much while buying them
LEL
Straight from EA's handbook, also utilized by Ubisoft, and also being currently practised by Activision upon Blizzard.

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I don't understand what the first graph is trying to say or how it connects to anything else
It could be seen as either positive or negative depending on your views

lol why are you "tired" then. normal players or non westacuck gamers like me dont care about politics. its just a funny playground to make fun of westacucks since jp and most eastern euro games dont push politics.

you love talking about it innit
you arent a moeshit VN gamer either who has to care about valve/snoys censorship.

Then stop coming to "political" "discussion" threads on Yea Forums's videogame board where underage americans throw memes and arguments made in bad faith at one another instead of discussing videogames

>it could be positive
If you view is antinatialism

>Almost like it was made not for love of fags but because of pop political influence.
Cynical politics are still politics, dumbnuts

Because I'm an adult who doesn't try to block out the world, and I know that politics affect me. The more people who I convince that guns aren't evil, the less chance they get taken away.

>Americans
But Europe is worse when it comes to this trash. Have you seen Sweden?

What the fuck does "Consistent Conservatives More Likely to Have Close Friends Who Share Their Political Views" have to do with antinatalism? Are you retarded?

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I hate that we say political since it is always a very particular direction of politics.
You don't often see any that are critical of liberal platitudes.
They wouldn't be allowed, those behind them would be harassed and the sad fact is they don't really need to exist because clowns will be clowns.
They choose to dye their hair funny colors and act like idiots, so is there really any point in pointing out a clown?

real life issue
real life issue
real life issue
revisionism based around a manufactured "issue"

They made up a ton of shit for Battlefield that has no basis in reality/realism, but people only sperged out when it came to female playable characters.
Almost as if realism isn't the issue to begin with.

Sarah Silverman is an SJW who was cancelled by her own culture.
The Dev who suicided was an SJW, who cancelled his life after his own SJWs turning against him.
SJW's are disloyal and can turn against you any time.
No point in having disloyal customers who can turn on you any time, especially when they don't buy anything and instead are fund-cows, anti-capitalist, and prefer dictating to businesses to invest money into outreach programs as opposed to development of what they specialize in.

In general, any too contemporary day -bound references are kind of a shit idea, unless you put them in to explicitly highlight the time period or they have larger significance. Quips and references that may seem fitting for the day when the game is made often end up feeling awkward later on, whether it’s some kind of political commentary or non-political memes.

Is that not more related to the second graph

Are you referring to the picture or the post?
The first paragraph in the post is a sarcastic roleplay of a publisher's mind there to pull the strings on you while the rest of the post is going out of the larp and portraying a sound tactic of playing politics to manipulate an entity into losing their belongings to you via contractual meanderings.