How did they make this really cool but Wolfenstein became a joke?

Doom 2016 was made by Americans, Wolfenstein the new colossus was made by Swedish

Wolfenstein was always mediocre and coasted on the "first FPS" popularity. The only good game in the franchise is RTCW, as a whole the franchise has more duds than decent games.

Not just americans, motherfucking texans made Doom

>walk into room
>doors close
>enemies spawn in randomly just off screen
>no more than 12
>run in circles killing things
>eventually door opens
this game was shit

Nu-DOOM is boring as fuck though. But yeah Wolfenstein is staight up bad.

>I hate everything
how interesting

>The only good game in the franchise is RTCW
*laughs in Enemy Territory*

If you actually learned history you would learn Hitler was a fucking retard and a large part of why they lost was because their hatred for Jews and Jewish physics, destroying their science departments in favor of retarded engineering that couldn't compete with Vlad's output potential, whereas if they had more than the retarded Heisenberg to help make their nuclear bomb Russia would be an irradiated wasteland and they would have won WW2 with atomic force.

Where'd you get that idea?

>tfw the Id offices are just down the street from me

Shooting nazis is leftist-cringe. Shooting demons is righteous fun.

Because Swedes are in fact onions-hacks

t. Swede

>there's only 2 choices
how interesting

/pol/ack.
I wish in to some degree.
While it is true to an extent that isn't why wolfenstein fell from grace.
I a much of a hitler admirer than the next /pol/ack, but wolfenstein didn't become shit automatically because of that.

>The most cucked state made nu-doom.
It all makes sense now.

Seething doomcucks

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>Doom
>enemies have various combat roles, Hell Knights are hyper aggressive, Imps dart around and pelt you while being mobile, shield guys are fairly slow but can 1 shot you, Pinkies charge you and are strong to head on attacks, Mancubuses are walls of meat that can block you path, Caco's fly around
>Wolfenstein
>enemies are pretty much just hitscan humans

>left-leaning nutcases decided to humanize nazis by attaching that label to anyone that disagree with them
Don't white people label amost every race?

>you like new DOOM
>you don't realize DOOM 3 completely eclipsed the entire series and is one of the greatest shooters of all time
have fun with your halo halloween edition lol

>DOOM 3 completely eclipsed the entire series

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The New Order was also shit. It didn't suddenly become bad with Colossus. TNO was so reliant on set pieces because its base gameplay was fucking terrible in stark contrast to Nu-Doom. People were just enamored with an FPS game that had health packs and armor again. One-note stealth, bullet sponge enemies, and constant divergences from gameplay made for an absolutely abysmal experience. It was genuinely some of the least fun I've ever had with a game.

His heart was in the right place, fuck jews. You already see how big of an influence they have in the world, and people are still this gullible about it

By that logic communist heart was also in the right place because their mission statement was basically, by your definition of "jew," "fuck jews."

new Yea Forums
>Nazis good
>Nazis misunderstood

and you wanna tell me /pol/ hasnt infested this board?

Doom 3 was simply ahead of it's time. It has a VR port now. Try it in VR. It might not be the best Doom game but it certainly is the best Doom game in VR.

killing demons isn't controversial

DOOM is about killing evil shit with abandon. Wolfenstein could have just been a nazi slaughtering simulator but it had to take a condescending tone in its storytelling, marketing, and reviews like the people playing it didn't already know killing nazis was fun.

>texans
youtu.be/ZIxmrvbMeKc

We all have a common enemy, ends justify the means, as long as the jewish cockroach is evaporated from existence, no price is too great.

Doom 3 is literally an all around worse version of Doom 2016. It has smaller, worse level design, less enemies per encounter, and it's so much slower.

Doom 2016 has issues but it's still a good shooting game.

Then just eliminate all life on earth.

nudoom is also a joke. one of the worst fps games to come out in decades.

>Doom 3 is literally an all around worse version of Doom 2016. It has smaller, worse level design, less enemies per encounter, and it's so much slower.

Which makes it perfect for VR. Seriously guys, try it out. It's fucking great. Fast paced shit like Quake is dizzying and hard to play but Doom 3 is PERFECT.

The game is fucking garbage
>all levels look exactly the same generic space station/wasteland aesthetic
>long and looping levels but they are actually just linear with pre-set paths that you must find, but it's just annoying and you get lost since the environments lack variety and everything looks the same
>combat consists of run around like a chicken with its head cut off, shoot, do le epic QTE glory kill, repeat
>every single fucking action or menu in the game has an obnoxious loading screen between it
>levels and combat are very inoffensive, bland, vanilla despite killing literal demons in hell, the only blood and gore is the pre-scripted glory kills

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There's no hope for humanity, so no worries, complete annihilation of our species will happen in the next 10-40 years

I don't care about Jews but I like your positivity and now support your stance if everybody dies.

Hit the nail on the head, user.

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Doom 2016 is unforgivable trash. Nothing about it is cool.

Because Machine Games made Wolfensteins, not idSoftware. Are you stupid?

this. played a couple levels and dropped this trash. there's no point in "updating" what is one of the greatest games of all time.

>US, Texas
>vs Sweden
heres your answer

Because Wolfenstein isn't good. It never was good. It will never be good. It's far more of a movie than any other FPS in existence, and it always has been. It's an Arcade game that only ever cost a quarter for the entire playthrough. It's just flashing lights and meaningless scores.

Shame that something so terrible also involves killing Nazis. I never felt better killing Nazis than in Medal of Honor.

Are people really upset the game was pro killing Nazi?

Because Wofenstien is propaganda.

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I've been playing on Nightmare and it's way more engaging. Loading screens can suck my ass though, yeah.

I don't think you can read. That's not at all what I said.

I enjoyed The New Order, but honestly not even the guns feel good to use in comparison to DOOM16

Where in Texas exactly? Because if they are from Austin they might as well be Swedistanis.

because DOOM didn't have a 10 minute long scene that interrupts the gameplay to make shitty Hitler jokes

I played on Ultra violence and I thought it was retarded with how enemies were dealing 100+ damage on melee attacks.

The New Order was great, Wolf 2 became more of some kind of parody.

You could have just googled it. They're in Dallas

>>combat consists of run around like a chicken with its head cut off, shoot, do le epic QTE glory kill, repeat

So you don't like movement based FPS games? Don't play Doom then. Also glory kills are completely optional.

somehow killing nazis became controversial

>but it had to take a condescending tone in its storytelling, marketing, and reviews like the people playing it didn't already know killing nazis was fun.

I never played much of the games so I have 0 idea what you mean here. Are you upset the reviewers went all "fuck drumpf" or something?

>Also glory kills are completely optional.
except the game is balanced around the assumption that you will, retard
ignoring the glory kills is like ignoring the bfg or chainsaw, the game expects you to do it to have enough resources

>I need to defend a piece of trash garbage game because it is somehow related to muh /pol/ boogeyman
Try to develop some common sense and critical thinking.

Not exactly but close enough. Everyone surrounding Wolfenstein acted like the audience was too stupid to know that killing nazis and bigots was fun. And if you said anything negative about the game, you were considered a nazi lover even if it was a legitimate complaint.

Wolfenstein 2 focused way too much on the story instead of the gameplay that made the first so much fun. TNC literally has one actually good weapon, the assault rifle. The rest of the guns either have no impact or fire way too slowly to be viable, especially late game when they finally open things up to Doom-esque arena combat sections.

It's really not, especially if you go for max ammo. Glory kills can get you killed anyways.

Wolfenstein tried to take itself 100% seriously. id knows Doom is just a game about shooting demons and made that activity as fun as possible

>ignoring the glory kills is like ignoring the bfg or chainsaw

No, not at fucking all. Enemies automatically drop a ton of health if you're in the red. I've beaten the game on Nightmare and UV without using Glory Kills and they weren't even a challenge to avoid.

Firing off a BFG shot while you're in the red nets you way more health than any glory kill will.

>levels and combat are very inoffensive, bland, vanilla

This is also a retarded thing to say. The rail gun, chain gun, BFG, double barreled, and rocket launcher all feel great with the rail and chain gun having some nice quirks that made them feel unique.

Everything kind of has to do big damage just to be a threat since you gain your health back nearly instantly after getting too low.

this

Wolfenstein was always kind of shit. Very slow. The newer games have an identity crisis where they can't decide if they want to be fast paced shooters or not on top of all the other stuff that comes with having Swedes make a game.

once you get the rocket launcher and gauss rifle you end up killing enemies before they even go into that state to begin with. Its not like enemies dont turn into health pinatas if you kill them with guns

A good movement based shooter would be something like Nex Machina on master+. nuDOOM just requires you to be moving at all times or you take damage. It just feels very tedious. You just pace constantly around in circles with no regard for enemy placement or prioritization

Don't be silly. You run around - with the super shotgun - and blast anything that spawns in front of you.

>A good movement based shooter would be something like Nex Machina on master+

So you just dislike movement based FPS games then.

>It just feels very tedious

The fuck does this even mean? Dodging enemy attacks is the core mechanic of the game, how could that be tedious? It's like saying jumping in Mario becomes tedious.

>You just pace constantly around in circles with no regard for enemy placement or prioritization

Completely wrong, you need to priorities Hell Knights, Barons, Shotgunners, Pinkies,and Lost Souls over anything else as they're all hyper aggressive and can do big damage. The other demons are either too slow to be a high priority or just don't do enough damage to merit attacking them first.

You also need to move intelligently so you don't run head first into enemy fire or melee attacks. charging right at Caco demons will get you killed by their plasma.

has anyone ever questioned them why the jews had anti gravity technology and lasers long before the first steam engines were made?
could it be that the jews are aliens?

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>didn't even beat the game on Nightmare let alone UN
stop talking shit for brains and just eat up your casualized garbage.

>didn't even beat the game on Nightmare let alone UN

I beat it on both, nice arguments though.

A few reasons
Back in the day, Nazis where more-or-less the same as Demons: a generic enemy you probably wouldn't feel too bad for mercilessly slaughtering. Nowadays, anyone who has a reasonable opinion is a "Nazi". So of course, people will be up in arms about a game centered around killing Nazis.
Besides that, I guess killing Nazis just isn't that interesting. Demons can be vaguely humanoid hitscanners too, but they can also be floating monsters that fly around, or they can be nimble little fuckers that jump from place to place, or they can be huge walls of meat that obliterate you if you stand still for more than half a second.

>stein
it all makes sense now

Humanity will die on this rock as long as Jews are on it

Anyone can lie now prove it dumbfuck.

>left-leaning nutcases decided to humanize nazis by attaching that label to anyone that disagree with them
you're living in a dream world if you think they've been humanized.

>or just don't do enough damage to merit attacking them first.
Maybe try playing above the lower difficulties.. yikes!

nazis have always been cool in games, they were pretty cool in 3D. it wasnt just New Order that made them likeable

Nightmare's hard, but not that bad. Even I've done it and I don't conaider myself a Doom master. Ultra Nightmare on the other hand. I have a hard time believing anyone who says they beat it. That's an entire campaign without dying even once.

The difficulty is exactly the same it's just ironman you fucking retard

Guys who's bad at game calls it shit because he got killed too much the post

Commie swede cucks ruined Wolfenstein

09 was pretty good too.

I can guarantee I have done many more difficult feats and am a better player than you are.

Usually I'm sick and tired of /pol/ babbies screaming about "muh SJW boogeyman" but in the case of Wolfenstein it was unironically ruined by SJWs.

I know that you half-wit. Read my post, I said it's the entire campaign without dying even once.

Imagine being so stupid that you got lost in Doom 2016

>So of course, people will be up in arms about a game centered around killing Nazis.

It is funny how obsessed Yea Forums is with SJWs. Granted if I was college aged and going to school now I probably would be too. Just ignore retards that label everyone as a Nazi.

How? The game's not even fucking hard, literally anyone can beat it on Nightmare. Granted it sounds like you had a hard time with it, since you called it tedious.

Your reading comprehension is trash. I'm saying you need to prioritize a Lost Soul and a Baron over an Imp due to the fact that both these things have much higher damage potential than the Imp.

Doomfags are some of the most entitled motherfuckers I have ever seen on this board.

DOOM is based and redpilled.

Wolfenstein is cringe and bluepilled.

On another matter, it's a shame the DOOM multiplayeer is utterly dead and won't be coming back for Eternal. It would have been nice if they actually just improved the problems with the 2016 multiplayer to make a sick arena shooter instead of ripping it all out for the sake of a Left4Dead/invasion gimmick.

Doom 2016 was made by iD, which seems to have maintained hiring standards even though everyone from the original team is gone.
Wolfenstein games are contracted out to Literally Who studios.

>I Never Played The Game: The Post

Try to make it a little less obvious next time

The New Order only became a fun game after you go to the moon, getting twin laser assault rifles actually made you feel powerful and didn't force you to hide all the time and run for health packs.

Then prove that you have beaten the game on UN as you have said. It's not about the difficulty of the game.

Doom 2016 was not good and Eternal won't be good either. Going from arena to arena is not Doom. That's just garbage. I'd rather play Serious Sam.

It's not too difficult if you've replayed the game a few times on Nightmare. Beating UN is more about memorizing enemy placement than pure skill, though obviously you still have to be fairly decent at the game.

>except the game is balanced around the assumption that you will

Every single time someone shitposts about nuDoom it comes to this exact statement and you prove that you played it on either normal or easy. On UV and Nightmare, glory kills are likely to result in a net loss of health. On UN, they are to be avoided completely because it's never worth the risk.

I beat it on Ultra Violence and Nightmare, misread UN and UV.

What are you even babbling about anyways?

People don't actually play or complete their games, even bare minimum, natural progression. This idiot talking here probably didn't even beat the harder difficulties but yet feels the need to defend it (and shows his clear ignorance of the game)

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The game didn't become arena grinding until later on when you're literally blatantly just walking into another arena shaped room filled with power ups and items, and you think "Gee is the door going to slam shut behind me and I have to run around in a circle in this room till everything's dead?" and then guess what happens when you sigh and cross the threshhold?

And based on the trailer, Eternal is gonna be the same but just in larger arenas maybe with a few more enemies on screen. It just gets tiresome and brain numbing.

>QTE
>one button
>wasteland aesthetic
>getting lost
>loading screen
>only blood and gore in glory kills

someone didn't play the game.

Ok so you lied, as I expected. There is nothing further to discuss here. Come back to me when you understand the game more.

I played doom as a kid on my dads pc and used to love it. I also enjoyed nu-doom too but i agree there was little in the way of similarities. I don't know why they didn't make it a new IP. Media attention i suppose

Curious to know why you think annihilation is so near?

Despite getting two high-quality, amazing games in the span of three years, especially in a series that should've fucking died with Doom 3, you guys will still find anything to bitch about.

If they made it a new IP people would be crying about how it's just a Doom rehash that they're trying to sell as a brand new IP. You can't win either way

It is funny how people still cry about Glory Kills when they're completely ignorable. It's almost like they never played the game and only want to shit on it because it's different.

Calm down autism, no on cares how hardcore you are for beating a bunch of single player games.

I like Doom 2016 but it's still a pretty easy game on Nightmare.

The aesthetic

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This sounds you’re describing the original Doom out of context

>the game is easy but I didn't actually beat the hardest difficulty
It's so hilarious how everyone acts like singleplayer games are even challenging when 99% are just muscle memory tedium that you overcome with a bit of practice, but also just how the overwhelming majority of people (90-99% depending on game) lie about them and don't even complete them at all see

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>Ultra Nightmare is the same difficulty as Nightmare but it has a one chance meme mechanic now

Cool. I've already seen the game on Nightmare.

Except you can easily brute force encounters since there is a generous checkpoint system. There is a reason that UN is a difficulty and it represents much higher mastery and understanding of the game, which you do not have, yet you act like you do.

>I've already seen the game on Nightmare

Did you watch a let's play?

>There is a reason that UN is a difficulty and it represents much higher mastery and understanding of the game, which you do not have, yet you act like you do.

I never claimed any of that, nice projecting though.

Have fun doing route memorization of the game though. I'm personally not into speed running.

>seen
>not played
Kys

Read the thread retards.

So, you watched a let's play? lol

This isn't a Smash thread faggot

I wanna see the twins become Nazi cumdumpsters